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Fisking the Guardian's Village Idiot: Part 1

Damian Walter is that dude over at the Guardian who made shit up about me before. That time he put words in my mouth, said that I warned writers not to write about gay characters if they want to remain commercial, and he even put it in quotes as if it was my actual words. That isn’t even close to what I said, or what I’ve actually done, and doesn’t match up with my real life actions, writing, or even the philosophies of other authors I’ve promoted, but hey, whatever.

Here is the last one: http://monsterhunternation.com/2014/04/15/larry-f-correia-international-lord-of-hate/

Note, this is going to be two part Fisk, with today being the article, and tomorrow I’m going to go through Damien’s comments where he threatened me with some nebulous harm if I don’t apologize for and confess some sins, and then he went on Twitter to ask his followers to find bad things I’ve done (normally journalists do research before writing about something).

So here is Part1. As usual Damian gets damn near everything wrong, so let’s go through and take a look at what passes for journalism at the Guardian. This is going to be long, but Damien has a real gift for shoving two or three lies, half-truths, or distortions into nearly every line. Hmm… I heard Jay Carney’s job is open.

As usual, the moron is in italics and my comments are in bold.

Here is the current article: http://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2014/may/30/science-fiction-real-life-war-worlds but it is all reprinted below for your enjoyment. Note that Damian’s article is absolutely filled with links, let’s see… a dozen of them in fact, but not a single one of those links are to the actual words of the people he is maligning… Curious.

Science fiction’s real-life war of the worlds

For many years, a very particular and very narrow set of authors has dominated SF. But battle for a broader fictional universe is under way.

When is a giant lizard not a giant lizard? When it’s a metaphor for the might of the military-industrial complex. Audiences turning up for the latest cinematic incarnation of Godzilla have expressed some disappointment that much of the battling kaiju action was kept off screen.

Keep in mind, his last article about what evil homophobic hatemongers conservative writers are started out by explaining the reason male gamers played female characters in video games was so they could explore gender roles… as opposed to it being nicer to stare a girl’s butt for 200 hours of Skyrim. But nope, exploring gender boundaries.

Because when I think of socially conscious, non-binary enlightenment, I think of the LOL WUT tits or GTFO denizens of Xbox Live. So keep in mind, Damien isn’t very smart and does a lot of grasping at straws.

In its place director Gareth Edwards makes the smart decision to tinker with the kaleidoscopic political meanings that surround the giant lizard. What Edwards chooses to place front and centre are the twin legacies the second world war foisted on modern society – nuclear weapons and the United States military in all its glory. By the end of the movie we’re left in no doubt that, whatever risks they pose, we need the monstrous forces mankind can control to defend us from the monstrous forces – be they real or imagined – we cannot. Audiences want sci-fi to entertain us, but even blockbuster movies come loaded with political messages.

Okay, heavy handed straw grasping intro out of the way, I wonder how many people bought tickets to see Godzilla for the political messages versus how many went to watch giant monsters smash stuff? But hey, let’s roll with it. I think Damian’s point is that political messages in sci-fi exist… Yep. As much as they try to rewrite my old posts to be that message fic shouldn’t exist at all, on the contrary, I said it did, but that if you wanted to be successful, you needed to put the story first, and once you’ve provided your readers with enjoyment, then you can slip in your message… Message first can turn off readers. And as much as they try to change the narrative, my words (which they never actually link to) are right there.

Or in this case, the giant lizard came first, message second. Damn, Damien, even your intros get the slander wrong. I really hope you’re just an unpaid intern or something and the Guardian isn’t actually giving you money for this shit.

In recent months the community of science fiction readers and writers has been embroiled in an escalating war of words over the genre’s political soul, catalysed by the nominations for this year’s Hugo awards.

By escalating, he means some people on my side actually got involved for once and quit letting his side set the narrative unopposed. It was so much nicer when my side just immediately shut up out of fear of backlash, career sabotage, and threats of character assassination.

Allegations of bloc-voting arose

Yes, allegations of block voting, which means I asked my fans to vote. A quick search found about thirty other authors, fanzines, bloggers, and even publishing houses that did the same thing I did. Only I had the audacity of having the wrong kind of fans (and more of them!). Damien knows this, but he’s simply obfuscating the issue to get in some more snide insinuations.

He’s leaving out the allegations against me of fraud, misogyny, racism, homophobia, wife beating, and threatening puppy murder… No. I’m not making any of those up, but when dealing with Social Justice Warriors you will quickly discover that they will say anything to sabotage their ideological opponents. Proving that was sort of the whole point of my nefarious campaign. They certainly rose to the occasion.

as a slate of little-known writers appeared among the nominees,

That’s right. Little known writers. Since I’m the unnamed guy who put together this evil voting plot and is up for best novel, let’s take a look at how little known I am.

My 11th novel comes out this summer (Don’t worry, I’ve got 13 more under contract). I’m a New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and bunch of other lists bestseller, and the most accurate bestseller list of all is Nielsen Bookscan where I’ve been as high as #5 and stayed on for 20 straight weeks. On any given day I’m usually in the top 50 fantasy authors on Amazon and that’s without anything new out (highest I’ve been is #3 after Martin and Gaiman). I’m published in 7 languages. I do even better in audiobook, where I’m one of the bestselling and best reviewed authors on all of Audible, and I’ve been nominated for 3 Audies and won 2 of them. (those are pro juried, so sadly no allegations of ballot stuffing there).

According to the Guardian’s own stats about how much authors actually get paid, I’m way above the cutoff for the top 1%. But to be fair to Damien’s inability to actually know stuff, I’ve only been professionally published since 2009. The fact that I’ve only been doing this for 5 years kind of sucks for my detractors, since so many of them have been doing this far longer yet are much less successful. That has to gnaw at them.

But little-known. Got it!

after a concerted campaign by a small group of writers to get the books on the ballot.

By concentrated campaign, he means a couple of blog posts, a poorly drawn cartoon, and a video of sad puppies. No, I kid you not. My spokesman was Wendell the Manatee. Unlike Damian, I’ll actually post links to the topic, here is where I go into it in detail: http://monsterhunternation.com/2014/04/24/an-explanation-about-the-hugo-awards-controversy/ The whole thing and the reasons for it were out there in the open the entire time I was doing it.

Behold the architect of your doom.

Behold the architect of your doom.

A startling conspiracy theory was at the heart of the campaign. It alleged that a powerful clique of liberal writers and editors had taken control of science fiction, and worse, were politicising a genre that should exist purely for entertainment. They were filling the genre with heavy-handed “message fiction” and excluding conservatively minded writers. So conservatively-minded fans should vote for those writers to redress the imbalance.

That’s sort of related to what I said, as rewritten by somebody with a paint huffing addiction… I do like how Damien stated it all super nefarious like that though. But strangely he didn’t link to the posts where I talked about the demonstrated bias against non-leftists, or the posts about how the heavy handed message fic was driving away readers and causing the market to shrink? I’m sensing a trend. I wonder why Damien never seems to link to what his opponents actually say, when it is so much easier to make up really dumb straw man versions instead?

I wouldn’t call any of this startling though. I pointed out that the awards were biased, and if any openly conservative author got on the awards ballot they would be attacked and sabotaged. I was called a liar. So I got some conservative authors on the ballot and they did exactly what I said they would. (they were even shriller than expected, and major professionals jumped into the witch hunt, so for that, I sincerely thank them for being so predictable).

Point proven. Hilarity ensued.

Of course there is a certain irony in forming a political clique and launching an overt pol1itical campaign to de-politicise sci-fi– although registering the irony requires more self-awareness than these authors can seem to muster.

I like how he restates my publicly proclaimed goals to be something they weren’t so he can say I’m dumb for not achieving them.

The goal was exposing people like you, Damien, and you can try to say I failed, but poor, depressed little British man, my campaign consisting of manatees, big eyed puppies, and cartoon moose rocked your little world so badly that you’ve repeatedly talked about it in your national newspaper column now. So, I’m very aware of the irony, and it is so very delicious.

This dastardly clique was my fans. If your crowd hadn’t been such obnoxious, pretentious, bossy assholes on Facebook, Twitter, and blog comments, constantly bitching at us, explaining how conservatives and libertarians can’t ever be *real* writers, and calling anybody who disagreed with you racist/misogynist/homophobic without any actual evidence continually for the last five years, then getting a bunch of fans to pony up $40 to vote wouldn’t have been so darned easy.

And that irony is only made stronger when 2014 has proved to be a pivotal year in liberating science fiction from its own innate political biases.

Yes. The publishing industry—which is mostly based in Manhattan—is politically biased. For once we agree!

For decades, science fiction’s major awards were given, year after year, to white male authors.

That’s fantastic… Except when Damien says decades, he’s not talking about any of the recent ones. There have been blog posts (written by reasonable moderate types who really don’t like me or my campaign either) pointing out that women have won about a third to half of the awards over the last forty years, so once again, Damien is just a liar.

Women writers have asserted a growing presence in the genre, leading this year lead to a strong presence in all of the genre’s major awards.

Great. Despite the narrative about me to the contrary, I like female authors. I support female authors. I support authors from any group you can think of as long as they tell a good story and they’re not complete douchebags, so I guess you could say that I just support authors in general. I’m all in favor of anybody from any group being able to write what they want, more power to them.

So if we want true equality among writers how about we give awards based on quality rather than what box the author checks on an EEOC form?

Oh, but wait. I forgot. I like to judge people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. That’s racist now. I also like to judge a book based upon whether I like it or not, rather than ranking the nominees based upon the acceptability of their political outlooks or which ones best assuage my warm-beige guilt.

(speaking of irony, when the announcements were made and I immediately started getting character assassinated for being a hater of women, homosexuals, sunshine, and goodness with zero evidence, the book of the week I was promoting on this blog was written by a non-white immigrant woman and had a gay hero, but hey, narrative).

Women and non-white writers swept the board at the Nebula awards, winning every major category.

Normally, if there is a bunch of gloating and back slapping about how one particular group was totally shut out of something, we’d consider that bigotry. However I tend to forget that to a libprog diversity is literally only skin deep, while diversity of thought is evil and must be crushed. The same people crowing about this year’s diversity were happy to attack nominees last year for their religious beliefs, because that’s the wrong kind of diversity. They routinely attack non-whites and women if they aren’t of the correct political persuasion.

Speaking of gloating, Twitter after the Nebulas was interesting. If you take the tweets of the Social Justice Warrior crowd, Ctrl H, find and replace White Male with Jew, they totally sound like snippets of Heinrich Himmler speeches. It is hilarious until the nausea sets in.

High profile crowd-funded publishing projects such as Women Destroy Science Fiction are proving the commercial potential of a more diverse genre.

Not to bash this particular anthology, because I know nothing about it, but this super example of commercial potential raised $53,136. Good for them. But to illustrate just how profoundly disconnected Damien is from reality, keeping in mind that I’m a “little-known” author, my Kickstarter for a role playing game based upon one of my series raised $80,681, and my Kickstarter for merchandise related to my novels raised $101,396.

So I wouldn’t recommend taking business advice about commercial viability from a lying euro-weenie-socialist who has probably never held a real job. Now fetch my latte, Damien!

It is fair to say that SF is coming to terms with its historic gender and racial biases.

From a genre that really came to be in the 1930s to the 1950s there may have been bigotry? This is my shocked face. Well, good thing you guys are ready to attack people now for the sins of those that came before, because they share similar plumbing, DNA, or sexual orientation.

But not without some resistance from reactionaries within the genre.

They really need a boogieman, don’t they? Isn’t it interesting about how my campaign to demonstrate that there was bias and sabotage in the awards system, is immediately changed by the biased to be all pro-racism in order to sabotage it?

As Samuel Delany noted, at a time when he numbered among the very few black writers in the field, prejudice within science fiction would “likely remain a slight force – until, say, black writers start to number 13, 15, 20% of the total.” Author NK Jemisin employed Delany’s quote in her own Guest of Honour speech at WisCon. Her incendiary argument to fight against bigotry comes at a the time when she and other writers of colour including Aliette de Bodard, Sofia Samatar and Nalo Hopkinson command a higher profile in the genre than ever before. And the resistance Delany predicted has come true.

Does that mean that since I’m the only non-white author up for best novel, I have your vote, Damien?

It is no coincidence that, just as it outgrows its limiting cultural biases, science fiction should also face protests from some members of the predominantly white male audience who believed it to be their rightful domain.

That doesn’t even make sense. So, I’m not a white guy, but I hatched this elaborate plot to keep sci-fi white… even though us right wingers are capitalists who want to sell books to everybody. Sure, I’m super excited for my Chinese translations to come out this year, but that must be because of the billion white men who live there.

Since Damien brought up irony, here’s some for you. My audience is diverse. That’s what happens when you are popular and actually sell books. Look at the picture of the Diversity panel at the Nebulas. It is a bunch of old white people fretting about their white guilt. It is so white and old it looks like a Klan rally compared to my average book signing. My fans are the rainbow fucking coalition compared to that picture.

You know an organization that is actually diverse? The US military, #1 book in Baghdad and Baghram, baby.

But as we’ve already repeatedly seen demonstrated, it doesn’t matter that my fans are all over the board, young and old, straight and gay, all sorts of different ethnic and cultural backgrounds, and even some liberals (though by that I mean they’re actual well intentioned liberals, as opposed to the wannabe fascist control freaks who’ve taken over the term), but my fans don’t count, because they’re the wrong kind of fan. They are united in that they’d rather enjoy books than get snidely insulted by people like Damien for racist attitudes of their grandparents might have held.

What the conservative authors protesting the Hugo awards perceive as a liberal clique is simply science fiction outgrowing them, and their narrow conception of the genre’s worth.

That makes pretty much no sense whatsoever since over recent years sci-fi readership has been shrinking. It hasn’t been outgrowing anything other than Damien’s dignity.

Why has our market been shrinking? Well, it can’t be because people don’t like sci-fi and fantasy, because they love throwing lots of money at it in movies, TV, and games.

The opinion that I’ve long held, and which helped inspire my dastardly campaign of evil to begin with, was that sci-fi readers were leaving our genre because they were getting tired of being preached at with liberal cause of the day message fiction. They were bored with dying polar bears, murderous bigoted Christians, lectures about the dangers of capitalism, and thinly veiled Dick Cheneys as bad guys. You can really only slap half of the country upside the head and tell them their beliefs are stupid and backwards so many times before they quit buying your stuff. (but keep in mind, the left are supposed to be the inclusive ones).

How did I come to this belief? Because the people who’d been quitting told me so. I kept getting messages from readers with some variation of “I’d quit reading SFF because I was bored/tired/annoyed etc. but your stuff is fun!” over and over and over and then they’d provide me with large royalty checks. This got me to thinking that there might be something to this crazy idea of putting reader enjoyment ahead of placating the perpetually outraged Damiens of the world, where everything including Godzilla and Tomb Raider had to be boiled down to cisgender patriarchal neocolonial military-industrial privilege.

Of course, if those authors really wanted to de-politicise science fiction, they could easily help to do so – by admitting the genre’s historic bias and applauding its growth.

I don’t think anybody has ever said that bias hasn’t happened somewhere at some point, so thanks for that piece of straw. As for applauding its growth that’s the point, you moron. It isn’t growing. You guys are shrinking it. You might think you’re all about diversity and inclusiveness, but you’re not. You’re the opposite. You’ve drawn battle lines and then done everything possible to damage the careers of anybody who believes differently than you.

De-politicize? I was never in this to sway people like you, Damien. That’s impossible. We can’t de-politicize genre fiction any more than we can get leftists to stop banning university commencement speakers, boycotting businesses, or getting people fired for having differing opinions. Censorship and intimidation are simply in the nature of all statist bullies.

My mission was to convince the undecided. My side aren’t the ones trying to silence anyone, and all of the observers have watched your side try to stomp me (and fail miserably). Of course, your side will immediately cite somebody disagreeing (or failing to cheerlead sufficiently) with one of their ludicrous ideas as silencing, which will require them to retreat to their convention mandated racially segregated safe zones with a case of the vapors.

But in reality it isn’t the right trying to shut anybody up. Quite the contrary, Damien, we want you guys to keep talking so the world can see what censorship happy little fascists you are.

My successful campaign was met with a concentrated effort that would have made most normal authors apologize, run away, and hide (that’s what usually happens, but the fact that there isn’t anything you people can actually do to intimidate some of us must drive you nuts).

And by doing everything within their power to welcome new authors from diverse backgrounds, instead of agitating for protest votes to push them out.

And by diverse backgrounds, you mean as long as they are in complete political lockstep with your side?

The real prize for science fiction is not diversity for diversity’s sake

(although I happen to believe that would be prize enough).

A nugget of truth? Now we’re getting somewhere.

Since you’ve never actually created a single piece of fiction anybody has ever wanted to purchase, you are perfectly happy for sci-fi/fantasy to crash and burn, because then you can self-righteously brag about how at least it was mostly straight white males who died in the fire.

We live in a world of seven billion human beings, whose culture has not been reflected or rewarded in ‘the mainstream’. Science fiction

Wait… You mean the ENGLISH LANGUAGE award and books haven’t fully reflected genre fiction from the entire rest of the world? How dastardly.

– from cult novels that reach a few thousand readers,

I wouldn’t know what that is like.

to blockbuster movies and video games that dominate contemporary culture – has the potential to talk across every remaining boundary in our modern world. That makes it, in my opinion, potentially the most important cultural form of the 21st century. To claim that potential, it cannot afford to give way to the petulant protests of boys who do not like to share their toys

What a bunch of pretentious dribble from a sad little man who has never created anything of worth in his life.

So tune in tomorrow as I go through Damien’s pathetic threats, his complete lack of research skills, how my teaching women to carry guns is actually misogyny, and his pathetic attempt to channel Stalin.

Continued at: http://monsterhunternation.com/2014/06/03/fisking-the-guardians-village-idiot-part-2/  

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302 Comments on "Fisking the Guardian's Village Idiot: Part 1"


Guest
1 year 2 months ago

Crossposted from Vox Pop:

Hmmmm…You may consider this a prediction.

Someday, Damien Walter is going to realize that his entire life has been an exercise in futlity, that he is without literary, intellectual, moral, or, indeed, physical value to anyone, to include himself. One wonders whether, at that point, he’ll throw himself off a tall building or bridge, or hang himself. Shooting is right out because he’ll never accept the existence or number of guns floating around the UK since, as everyone knows, criminals always obey gun control laws.

But I predict he’ll never even think of doing something that masculine. No, he’s either going to overdose on pills, stick his head in an oven, all Sylvia Plath-like, or slit his wrists in a warm bath. Whatever method he chooses will be tradtionally feminine.

Guest
1 year 2 months ago

Most likely. I mean, most of us write novels in hopes of a pay day down the road. Damien reportedly just gets the UK taxpayers to foot the bill to fund him while he writes. He doesn’t even have the balls to want to work for a payday, so why would he off himself in such ways?

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Wes S.
1 year 2 months ago

I expect that impending moral crisis Col. Kratman was talking about will come when Damien loses his government grant. At which point…Sylvia Krath time. Although I suppose stepping in front of a train might suffice as a “feminine” way of doing onself in as well; it worked for Anna Karenina, didn’t it? ;)

Speaking of crossposting from Vox’s site, here’s what Vox had to say in his own response to Damien:

“They don’t understand that Larry, John (C. Wright), and me are under absolutely no illusions that we agree on everything. Or even most things. We are three very different men who belong to different population sub-groups, different Christian denominations, we vote for different political parties, and we have very different interests and communication styles. Larry is the tetsubo, John is the rapier, and I am the Ka-Bar, best suited for close-in combat gutting. We simply happen to have earned each other’s respect for various reasons and to share a disdain for SF/F that elevates left-wing ideology over every other aspect of storytelling.”

I’m just wondering how long it’s going to take Damien to get tired of all the repeated brutal clubbings, skewerings and rippings. Seriously, Damien must be possessed of more masochism than every submissive character in the “Fifty Shades” novels and John Ringo’s Paladin of Shadows series…*combined.*

Guest
1 year 2 months ago

I’m looking forward to seeing that grant get yanked out from under him. Unfortunately, I’m not sure the UK is the kind of place that will actually do that.

Would LOVE to be wrong on that, and would love for Damien to find out the hard way that it can happen to him. :D

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Kristophr
1 year 2 months ago

I’m sure a near-future UKIP government would be more than pleased to pull his government meal ticket.

Guest
1 year 2 months ago

Here’s hoping.

Guest
1 year 2 months ago

Tom, what Larry is doing is exactly what this libtard most fears. Google hits that make this idiot look like the little worthless hack that he is are absolute career death for this ilk. There will be no “someday” retribution. This is immediate retribution.

Bad google hits can cost him his job and future jobs.

If anyone wants to help Larry finish pounding this idjit, link to this rant.

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ElManitou
1 year 2 months ago

I’m sorry, why is everyone ignoring that Samuel Delany is such an outspoken supporter of N AMB LA that they have a tribute page dedicated to him on their website? It’s not like he’s tried to hide this. How the hell is everyone letting this pass?

Guest
1 year 2 months ago

Oh good lord…. I just made the mistake of reading the wiki entry for his novel “Hogg”. I want to un-see that or I’m going to have nightmares. No wonder the NAMBs like him.

Guest
1 year 2 months ago

Yeah, if you plug his name and the above organization’s name into Google simultaneously, you get a surprising amount of quotes back about how much he admires and defends them. Vile. *gag*

Anyone have any brain bleach I could borrow?

Guest
1 year 2 months ago

This man has some serious issues and needs LOTS of professional help.

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I had a look at the wiki page… and … he doesn’t look black to me. Sort of light brown at best. Which is … oddly interesting, given that he supposedly self describes as black and is so described by the fool being fisked. And the summary of Hogg is hair-raising. Even moreso the feedback supposedly given the novel. But Delany’s a ‘gay and lesbian studies’ dude so Damien is totally okay with that…

…rather squicked now, at what that implies of Damien’s character and what he considers acceptable given that he’s okay with folks based on their political opinions according to his own ‘approval-methodology’.

Yet Correia, et al, are ‘evil.’ If we are what he considers ‘evil’ then I’ll take it and take it HAPPILY.

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Fail Burton
1 year 2 months ago

So, does Delany first have to tell people he’s black and then they’re racist? Does he say “I’m black y’know” and then stand back with arms crossed?

What about NAMBLA? Does he hand out leaflets to everyone he meets so they can be offended? Do the leaflets say “PS: I’m black too”? As far as I can tell Delany and Jemisin are angry they were published every year and nominated for awards. There’s some logic, some cause and effect I’m missing here. Could this be like some Bizarro Syndrome where the more you like them the angrier they get? What if they use sandpaper to wipe their asses? That might explain a lot.

Guest
1 year 2 months ago

Dear Mr. Correia,
Have you ever heard of a media-analyzing wiki called TV Tropes? I noticed that you tend to use the phrase “Hilarity ensued” and there is a trope called Hilarity Ensues? I am sorry if I sound annoying or rude. Have an excellent day!
Sincerely,
Zach K.
P.S. Here is the link to the trope: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HilarityEnsues
P.P.S. As far as I know, you do not have a tropes page on the site but you have been mentioned.

Guest
1 year 2 months ago

I am pretty sure he has heard of it

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SirShades
1 year 2 months ago
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Patrick Chester
1 year 2 months ago

Linking to TVTropes can have… pitfalls.

http://xkcd.com/609/

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Synova
1 year 2 months ago

True wisdom is learning from other people’s experiences without needing to be trapped on TV tropes your very own self…

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Kirk Keller
1 year 2 months ago

Well said Larry. And you can add me to the list of folks that stepped away from Sci-Fi because of the “message du jour” mentality, that your brand of creative genius brought back.

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Book
1 year 2 months ago

Ditto here. Although, to be fair I can’t call myself a long time reader of sci-fi. My fiction reading began with mysteries and detective novel stuff at first. Then some friends had recommended some sci fi books* to me. But when I looked around for new novels to read in the sci-fi genre, I couldn’t find anything new that wasn’t thinly veiled navel picking and self indulgent angsty message fic. It was BORING. Preachy. I read to relax and get a good tale- I’m not really into reading so that I can bemoan how evil, horrible, and terribly unfair the world is. /wrist to forehead/

So I floated around genres for a time. Read some detective, some historical fic… was a long time before I ever read another straight up sci-fi. Especially of the urban fantasy/ tech fantasy type. And when I found MHI, I read the entire series. When the Grimnoir chronicles came out, I DEVOURED them. Then I gave my copy of Hard Magic away to a friend who I knew would love it. Then I was sad because my copy was gone so I had to buy another. Then I loaned that one out too. I have a feeling I’m not getting it back. Probably going to have to get a third copy. Going to chain it to my bookshelf this time.

Anyway, the point is, yes, you’re absolutely right. Message fic is boring. Good stories rule. Damien Walter’s column is full of strawman poopies and he deserves this fisking.

That is all.

*Enders Game was one of them. I know, its author is evil because he doesn’t have the correct Goodthink mentality or some crap in that vein. But I didn’t know that at the time and thought it was a damn good book. Hell, I still do. Go figure.

Guest
1 year 2 months ago

Also, same. I’d given up on written science fiction for years, but Weber was the one who dragged me back when I stumbled across the Honorverse in the early 2000’s. Since then I’ve metastasized into a Baen fanboi . . . Flint, Ringo, Kratman, Hoyt, Corriea, etc. (apologies to the etc’s–I’m getting to you, I swear!)

Story first! ‘Human Wave!’

Guest
1 year 2 months ago

I before E except in Correia! Sorry, Sir!

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dc.sunsets
1 year 2 months ago

Stopped reading SF when I couldn’t get stuff like the Sten series from Cole & Bunch (excellent stuff, to me, that).

As for message fiction, I love(d) James P. Hogan’s a lot more than Ayn Rand’s. Rand bored me. Hogan’s stuff made me go, “uh-Huh!”

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dc.sunsets
1 year 2 months ago

Hogan’s pro-libertarian message SF was (is) still a-okay by me.

OTOH, Rand’s is too-too; too much, too long, too talky. What’s the soliloquy in Atlas, like 36 pages?

Anyone who likes Larry’s writing might also like Alan Cole and Chris Bunch’s “Sten” series. No message, just an interesting character (with a cuts-anything knife up his arm).

Sten was a lotta’ years ago for me now.

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Dave
1 year 2 months ago

I love your notion that because you sell a lot of merch and have dedicated fans, that’s some reason to think you belong on award ballots. I guess the 50 Shades chick (aka Snowqueens Icedragon) and renowned author Dan Brown should both have the Nobel Prize for literature.

Guest
1 year 2 months ago

Dave, I love your notion that the quality of the writing is what gets an author a Hugo award. Particularly since the express purpose of this whole Sad Puppies thing was to disprove that particular canard.

Your dedication to naivete in the face of crushing evidence to the contrary is unique.

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NKR
1 year 2 months ago

Wow. Obtuse much? The sales and fans are evidence that Larry is not “little known”. Did you read that part or did you skim? Rhetorical, don’t bother answering, Checklist Man.

Also, sales do matter in a popularity contest, which is what the Hugo’s are. You get that right? People were voting with their dollars before they knew the Hugo’s existed. Now they know and they’ve voted with actual ballots as well.

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1 year 2 months ago

“People were voting with their dollars before they knew the Hugo’s existed. Now they know and they’ve voted with actual ballots as well.”

Great response. And truth. But that actually goes to the clique mentality. *If they don’t know about it, we’ll run unopposed.*

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Ted N
1 year 2 months ago

Found the vegan.

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Book
1 year 2 months ago
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Book
1 year 2 months ago

/snort/

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1 year 2 months ago

Did you eat paint chips as a kid? I mean, it’s either that, or you just willfully chose to fail to comprehend what was said.

Which is it?

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Kristophr
1 year 2 months ago

The only award that really counts is the royalty checks. I am proud to have helped build Larry’s mountain compound of Hate.

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1 year 2 months ago

You and me both!

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CombatMissionary
1 year 2 months ago

Soon as payday comes, I’m going to get in trouble with the wife by throwing a fistful of sweaty cash at Larry for a copy of Nemesis. That’s EXACTLY because Larry does quality work. Us lowbrow proles don’t waste money on crap work.

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Synova
1 year 2 months ago

Some people take popularity as proof of LOW quality… those people tend to view art and literature… “high” culture… as a way to separate themselves and elevate themselves from the masses. It’s not the quality of the cultural/art/literature, but the winnowing element that is important. If something that used to appeal only to the chosen few becomes popular (everyone starts demanding arugula) the *tribal indicators* of that thing no longer have value so some other unpopular thing to show you’re a better person than the unwashed masses has to be discovered.

Personally… I think that popularity is an excellent indicator that the author/artist has truly tapped into an important element of our common humanity. In that sense, and if that is what “literature” is supposed to do, then popularity works very well as an indicator of true quality.

Yes, even 50 shades (which I’m not even slightly interested in reading) must, *by definition*, have reached some essential element of humanity.

As does blasting monsters to smithereens.

Or finding out that you’re the chosen boy and a wizard and going to defeat evil.

Or fall in love.

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Joe in PNG
1 year 2 months ago

Then again, authors from Terry Pratchett, HP Lovecraft, ‘Doc’ Smith, all the way to old Bill Shakespere have been derided as “lowbrow guilty pleasures”.

How sad a person’s life must be if they have to forgo things they actually enjoy in entertainment, because they must read the “right” books, watch the “right” movies, and listen to “proper” music.

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dyingearth
1 year 2 months ago

Mickey Spillane like his book low brow enough, all the way to the bank. He wrote I, the Juror in less than 3 weeks to buy a house. The house is wonderful, and that book is STILL in print.

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dc.sunsets
1 year 2 months ago

50 Shades was a classic case of “famous for being famous.” Yes, it happens. Cry me a river. I read the whole thing expecting it to improve.

It didn’t. As with reading McCarthy’s “The Road,” I’ll never make the mistake of reading a book by that author again.

The key is repeat business, not total sales of a book. An author can be a one-hit-wonder with a novel that just is “right place, right time.”

Unless the book is actually good, however, that’s all it will be. People went back to Pournelle, Niven, Heinlein, Pohl, and a host of others because their works were consistently interesting (even if “only” space opera, in Heinlein’s case). Not every read must be high literature where characters change in believable ways via plot progression, but repeat sales only occur over time to people who actually like the stories (or in a few cases, are into impressing their friends based on what message fiction book they’re dragging around in their bag).

I like Monster Hunter. I like its characters and I like its action. Hard Magic, not so much. Just one opinion, and Larry will get a few more royalties as he adds to the MH series.

Everyone’s happy.

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Majestic Moose
1 year 2 months ago

Responding to Larry Up above, b/c WP can’t handle more nested replies. Did the idiot ever realize that the two were best bros and include references and even occasionally featured each others characters?

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CombatMissionary
1 year 2 months ago

If it’s accessible to the common folk, it must be second-rate. Keep the vulgar out of our country club!

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alligosh
1 year 2 months ago

From Dave:

Moreover, your work … is at best a lowbrow guilty pleasure and would never win on its actual merits.

So what, exactly, are examples of high brow work that should deserve to win awards such as the Hugos?

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Dave
1 year 2 months ago

Dan Simmons, Iain M Banks, Michael Swanwick, Robert Reed, Octavia Butler, Jack Skillingstead, Lucius Shepard, Robert Charles Wilson, Walter Jon Williams, Nancy Kress, LeGuin, Greg Bear, China Mieville, Gaiman, CJ Cherryh, Kim Stanley Robinson, Jonathan Lethem, William Gibson, Ted Chiang, Atwood, Ishiguro

Gene Fucking Wolfe

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Joe in PNG
1 year 2 months ago

Dave, we’re supposed to hate Dan Simmons now.

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Joe in PNG
1 year 2 months ago

And while we are at it, your list is done et up with white, heterosexual men! Geeze, man…

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1 year 2 months ago

Damnit Joe! That was good whiskey now draining out of my sinuses!!

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1 year 2 months ago

“China Mieville”

No thanks, I got enough Marxist lectures in grad school. Besides, I don’t much care for Judenhass.

“Atwood”

Whatever, dude. The only thing I read of hers was that “U.S. becomes a fascist religious dictatorship, yet somehow Canada is still a going concern” pile of steaming feces. At least she had enough taste to rip off a Heinlein plot.

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Sean
1 year 2 months ago

Pave I don’t know why you’re complaining man. after reading the first of Dave’s comments and the ensuing replies…should have known any replies to any more comments Dave made would be spew warning worthy. :P

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Pellegri
1 year 2 months ago

Also Gene Wolfe is Catholic just like low-down no-good John C. Wright, so he should be exiled.

And Mieville is tiresome. Cherryh writes some very good thinky stuff but I’m beginning to think she’s actually got a tin ear for language because I read her in spite of her style of writing, not because of it.

Atwood has said herself she doesn’t write science fiction and would be offended by being nominated for the Hugos. No, really. As far as she’s concerned, The Oryx and Crake trilogy is not sci-fi, because sci-fi requires aliens and spaceships–or something.

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joecrouse
1 year 2 months ago

Dave the only one we can agree on is Kim Stanley Robinson (and she only deserves one for her alternative history “The Years of Rice and Salt”

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joecrouse
1 year 2 months ago

I would put Neal Gaiman but he already gets acolades a plenty and really doesnt want to be famous. And William Gibson is well (personal Opinion) a one hit wonder Neuromancer was good but the Rest of the Sprawl Trilogy is meh. He got kinda famous in Geek circles then its like he phoned it in.

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1 year 2 months ago

Yeah, but Neuromancer is so awesome that it’s all that he needs to make it into that level, in all fairness.

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1 year 2 months ago

Neuromancer to this day is still one of my favorites, though I also liked the rest of the Sprawl trilogy (Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive) and the Bridge trilogy as well (Virtual Light, Idoru and All Tomorrow’s Parties) For many years, I’ve been naming my home PCs after AIs and devices from Gibson’s work. :-)

Which reminds me, how can I forget Neal Stephenson? Zodiac, Snow Crash and The Diamond Age are still among my favorites. I keep meaning to read Cryptonomicon, but those 900+ pages look massive.

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Eamon J. Cole
1 year 2 months ago

Thanks for stopping by with your ignorant, elitist BS! I love your notion that because Larry sells a lot of merch and has dedicated fans, that’s some reason to think he doesn’t belong on award ballots.

And then you go on with “…lowbrow, guilty pleasure and would never win on its actual merits.”

Let me break it to you, going on in this silly fashion is a fine indication of a shallow intellect more interested in engaging in crass denigration without the slimmest justification for your blanket denunciations. At best, you’re relying on the work of others to provide cogent critiques of the popular works you name. You’ve contributed nothing of substance to any critical analysis of the works in question.

At worst, you have no knowledge of any cogent critique performed by others, you rely solely on the thought-leaders to signal your position so that you might parrot and get your tasty treat. (Let me place my bet…)

Piling on with the same tired, intellectually dishonest pap and condescension lumps you in with all the other hollow thinkers proudly wearing their disdain.

Come back when you can formulate some argument in support of your implicit highbrow/lowbrow dichotomy. Bonus points if you can demonstrate some understanding of the role of creative work in various cultures at various times, particularly this culture and this time.

Huge kudos if you can spark a single ‘give a fuck’ in anybody around here.

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1 year 2 months ago

I’ll be less diplomatic than Larry. Money talks, and bullshit walks. Tell me, how many jobs have YOU retired from, and THEN build a dream home and have all the money and time you want for geeky hobbies, and, oh, BTW, STILL write best-selling books in your spare time ???

I’ve tried reading Nobel Prize Literature. It’s great, for those nights you just can’t sleep, and are out of Benedryl. . .

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1 year 2 months ago

I love your dedication to being an internet douche nozzle. You really commit.

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Tully
1 year 2 months ago

“calling anybody who disagreed with you racist/misogynist/homophobic without any actual evidence continually for the last five years”

And those are the nicest things they say.

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1 year 2 months ago

Yes, its pretty much like he looked at the Ministry of Truths guidelines as a replacement to Strunk and White for commercial writing.

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1 year 2 months ago

Interesting to me as a retired GI and a WWII history buff that Damien totally misses the point that without American hardware and supplies and USAAF bombers, fighters and transports, a few divisions of infantry, artillery, tanks, logistic support (oh, and U-Boat sinking from 1941 on) the Brits may well have lost the war. So, yeah, the “United States Military in all its glory” saved your little island so you could snivel and whine about your lot in life instead of explaining to the Gestapo, you dickweed!

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Jonathan
1 year 2 months ago

Bob,

That comment caught my eye as well. Startling ingratitude.

WWII is far from the only example. I would also add WWI, in which Britain was in dire straits both at sea and in the mainland, when, in 1917, Germany had but one front to fight in, after defeating Russia. Without American troops that war might have ended quite differently.

The Cold War is another example of Mr. Walter’s ingratitude. Without the U.S. Army NATO would have been a paper tiger, had it existed at all, and nothing would have stood in the way of the Red Army, had the USSR decided to march to the French coast and beyond to Britain itself.

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BobTanaka
1 year 2 months ago

“I must not conceal from you the truth as I see it. It is certain that Europe would have been communized and London under bombardment some time ago but for the deterrent of the Atomic Bomb in the hands of the United States.”
-Winston Churchill: Address to MIT, 1949

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1 year 2 months ago

Bob, are you asking the calumnist to be grateful that the UK isn’t Communist? Probably the first thing he has against the U.S. is that we stopped the inevitable victory of International Socialism.

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Wes S.
1 year 2 months ago

“Calumnist.” I’m so stealing that.

It’s even better than “presstitute” (which might also fit the government-funded Damien).

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1 year 2 months ago

Correct Johnathan, I agree. The WWI Germans did everything they could to end the war prior to the fresh American troops coming into the lines. And yes, NATO during the Cold War would have been less than a speed bump without American forces on hand in Europe and the Air and Sea lift capacity we had. (See “Red Storm Rising” for the best view of this aspect of a 3rd WW.) As someone else pointed out, the very fact we may have pissed in Damien’s Wheaties because he would really enjoy seeing Great Britain and Europe as a whole even more socialist than they currently are, not realizing that his whole rant would probably be proscribed by such a system of government.

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1 year 2 months ago

Shorter: If you’re not reading this in German, thank an American soldier.

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Jonathan
1 year 2 months ago

You should do so even if you are reading this in German, as the US Army is what kept the USSR from rolling into West Germany and what helped bring down the Nazis who turned Germany into a police state.

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ratseal
1 year 2 months ago

Weylllll – there is a strong argument that the then USSR had a leetle something to do with defeating the Germans.

However, if you want to talk NATO versus WP deterrence… then proceed.

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DaveP.
1 year 2 months ago

ratseal: Have you read “Viktor Suvorov” ‘s ‘The Chief Culprit’ or ‘Icebreaker’? He makes an interesting case that it was the USSR that gave old Adolf his pin money and his good start in politics…

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Dave 52
1 year 2 months ago

In the old USSR, Stalin invented electricity, phones and the light bulb. In France, the French army was awesome and beat the Germans with no help from anyone. In England Monti and Churchhill walked across the English channel and smote them hip and thigh.
History is in the eye of the beholder.

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DaveP.
1 year 2 months ago

History is objective. Propaganda is in the eye of the beholder.

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Hazim
1 year 2 months ago

As one of my old US Navy instructors used to say to his British wife, “I love England, it’s the US Navy’s biggest aircraft carrier!”

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1 year 2 months ago

To be fair, he probably stole it from Orwell.

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1 year 2 months ago

When life is too easy and safe and comfortable, it’s easy to forget that it cost blood to achieve. I sometimes wonder how people would react when their first world comfortable living suddenly implodes. There is always some country at war somewhere, and it’s naive to think it will never spill over.

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1 year 2 months ago
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1 year 2 months ago

Appropriate indeed.

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KHorn
1 year 2 months ago

Even during the war there were plenty of Brits complaining about Americans being overpaid, oversexed and over here. To which my father always responded, “and you Brits, you’re underpaid, undersexed and under Eisenhower. “

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Beth
1 year 2 months ago

You’re such an evil person Mr. International Lord of Hate, making me wait for part two.

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1 year 2 months ago

The Guardian is viewed as tabloid journalism even in the U.K. They have even been blackballed by the Independent Press Standards Organization until they “start valuing accuracy.” I understand where the frustration comes from but about as many people take the Guardian seriously as take MSNBC seriously.

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1 year 2 months ago

When I read the Guardian piece, I played this music:

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When I read your fisk, I played this music:

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I know what music I’ll play when I read Part 2.

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1 year 2 months ago

Damien carefully doesn’t mention the authors in question, because he’d have to admit to being racist against Latinos.

And admit that some of them are women.

So he’d just be revealed as another white, racist “liberal” playing the race card for political hay and a few quid.

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Jonathan
1 year 2 months ago

Mr. Walter is growing more desperate, it seems. His latest column is reprehensible. A new low.

In regard to genre sales, can anyone point to sales figures that document the downward trend in Science Fiction?

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Joshua
1 year 2 months ago

I’d love to see that too. I don’t doubt that it’s true, and it certainly seems true given anecdotal evidence. But anecdotal evidence isn’t really what you want for this type of question.

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Joshua
1 year 2 months ago

That said, I also supect that it depends on what you mean by downward trend. The genre itself is growing enormously. But it’s getting very diluted… what I hear from a lot of anecdotal sources about authorship and whatnot is that the sales of most given individual works are greatly diminished from past expectations.

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Synova
1 year 2 months ago

Numbers should take into account genre sales *compared to* population growth.

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1 year 2 months ago

I think you captured the entire thing at the beginning Larry, when you said the big problem this year is your fan base didn’t all stay home and shut up during awards season like usual.

The nerve of them guys, eh?

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CombatMissionary
1 year 2 months ago

Barflies coming out of their bars and into the streets all drunken and hatey-hating are never socially accepted. ;)

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Kristophr
1 year 2 months ago

They will never be rid of us. We have cellars fully stocked with Valu-rite vodka and smoked Hobo.

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Kevin Findley
1 year 2 months ago

As a Home Brewer, I find this post insultingly accurate!

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1 year 2 months ago

Kristophr: AoSHQ FTW.

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1 year 2 months ago

Some of us neither drink nor smoke. Somebody has to drive the others home after the bar closes, after all.

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Ray
1 year 2 months ago

With the exception of Baen’s offerings and Jim Butcher’s books, message fic has driven me out of sci fi entirely.

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ChaosModifier
1 year 2 months ago

Ray, I was going to start listing some other sci fi authors that I enjoy, and then I realized that they are all published by Baen. I think you’ve basically hit the nail on the head there.

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Wes S.
1 year 2 months ago

I too was pretty much turned off by most non-Baen sci-fi; the only non-Baen stuff I’ve bought over the past decade or so was David Weber’s “Safehold” novels (a Baen author), Mike Shepherd’s “Kris Longknife” series and Jack Campbell’s “The Lost Fleet” stories. It’s getting progressively (ahem) harder to find stuff outside Baen that doesn’t insult the intelligence of the reader, and/or guilt-trip him/her.

I will say that since recently getting my Kindle, I’ve found quite a bit of good self published/indie sci-fi and fantasy available, and for a lot less than the stuff from the big, self-important gatekeeper publishing houses.

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Synova
1 year 2 months ago

I like military SF and I’m thinking (just now) about the reasons why I like it. And I think that I’d like non-military adventure/exploration stories, too, for the same reasons if there were authors writing them. Sort of golden-age sensawunder wow-look-at-the-shiny exploration of alien worlds… without it having to be an Avatar downer OMG-humans-are-evil and technology-is-bad. …. anti-colonialism manure piles…

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1 year 2 months ago

Synova, there are authors writing non-military adventure stories. Well, there’s one, at least. This is the part where I shamelessly plug my recently released first novel, which is my take on the venerable planetary romance sub genre of science fiction.

The title of my novel is Scout’s Honor and is all action and adventure (with some romance thrown in because my hero and I both happen to like girls). It was released in late April by Bruce Bethke’s Rampant Loon Press (which, for those who know me, is a truly fitting publisher for my novel) and can be purchased from Amazon for the amazing bargain price of $1.99. It’s not my first published work, as I wrote comic books long, long ago, but it is my first novel. You can get it here:

http://www.amazon.com/Scouts-Honor-Henry-Vogel-ebook/dp/B00JXLCXDY

Did I mention it’s my first novel?

Here endeth the shameless plug of the day.

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1 year 2 months ago

Crap. I didn’t realize the link would throw that big ass graphic up in the middle of the comments. I’ll understand entirely if this needs to be deleted!

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1 year 2 months ago

Not only a new planetary romance, but a cover by your Southern Knights collaborator, Mark Propst, as well. Coolness!

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1 year 2 months ago

Good eye, Carl! You know, I run across fans of the comic book all over the place. It’s nice to be remembered.

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Pellegri
1 year 2 months ago

I’ve been reading a lot of Alastair Reynolds lately. He’s an astrophysicist so he writes very hard sci-fi and his characterizations can be a little spotty, but it’s really good thinky stuff. His Terminal World and House of Suns are very good, and the Revelation Space books are delightfully chewy.

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joecrouse
1 year 2 months ago

Give Spider Robinson a try. Its Hippie social fiction but its GOOD social Hippie Fiction. Not to mention the man can play the English language for laugh like a Ray Charles at a Piano. Any man that can come up with Shared pain is lessened and shared joy is Squared… is a pretty smart guy. And besides… His 3 main Settings are in a Series of Bars(Callahan’s).. A Whore House in Brooklyn NY (Lady Sally’s) and Vancouver Canada with a Cop a Hippie and a Telepath (Very bad… series) He also collaborated with his late wife on the Star Dancer Series plus a few one offs.

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joecrouse
1 year 2 months ago

There is also A Lee Martinez.

A Company of Ogres

Chasing the Moon

Epic Road Quest

Gil’s All Fright Dinner

Monster (The main character who should guest appear in one of Larrys books just because why WOULDN’T there be a Cryptobiological Animal Control service in the MHI universe!)

And

Emperor Mollusc Versus the Insidious Brain (which is just about 100 times more awesome than it sounds

Divine Misfortune ( I swear if this was made into a movie they should get Jeff Bridges to play one of the leads divinities)

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1 year 2 months ago

May I recommend to your attention Jim Cambias’s A Darkling Sea, or the various novels by John C. Wright, both published by Tor Books.

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Wes S.
1 year 2 months ago

I’ve got Wright’s “Awake In The Night Land” on Kindle, and recently picked up “Orphans of Chaos” in paperback; both are awaiting their turn in the rotation. “Count To a Trillion” is on my to-buy list.

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Vidad
1 year 2 months ago

Awake in the Night Land is incredible.

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1 year 2 months ago

Totally agree, Awake in the Night Land completely blew me away. One of the scariest settings I’ve ever encountered, IMO. Just…. WOW. It was like Lovecraft had a bad dream.

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1 year 2 months ago

I’ll second that recommendation for “Awake In The Night Land”. It’s superb.

greatly fleshes out the world of “The Night Land”, but in every way it fits in perfectly with the original… the settings, the characters, the language (despite not being the faux archaic style of the original). He evokes a sense of wonder and dread and proves again that the best way to make something deeply creepy is to be subtle.

Plus, he doesn’t start every paragraph with the word, “And”. ;-)

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1 year 2 months ago

The Martain by Andy Weir was my pleasant surprise of the year.

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1 year 2 months ago

The Martian. *Vague muttering about damned typos…

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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 2 months ago

Taylor Anderson’s Destroyermen is also really, really good. It reads like Baen, but it’s from Roc.

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1 year 2 months ago

Seconded

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Al Kuhn
1 year 2 months ago

Thirded…. Also a Resounding BOO for making me wait a day for the rest of the Drubbing of the Incontinent Twit Larry….Dammit.

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While I don’t buy your books(sorry about that, but wrong genre for me) I agree with you. I find you to be an excellent spokesman for the entertainment first, political viewpoint second people.Please continue to do what you do so well. I appreciate it.

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Joe Buckley
1 year 2 months ago

Larry,

I do want to point out that while reading this, you were taking his use of phrases, like, ‘science fiction outgrowing them’ to be meant in terms of marketing and market-share. I don’t believe that was his intent. My interpretation of his use of the phrase is that he is actually trying to say ‘science fiction is evolving away from its (obviously) bigoted past into a new, purer, enlightened realm.’

Of course, having pointed out this distinction, my own interpretation of his use of such terms as ‘outgrow’ is that what he is actually trying to SAY is ‘We are better than Them.’

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Synova
1 year 2 months ago

… Outgrow… by shrinkage…

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DaveP.
1 year 2 months ago

Are you implying that, with the adoption of “identity” criticism, F&SF’s appeal has become more selective?

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CombatMissionary
1 year 2 months ago

To the leftists, weeding out the unwashed masses IS growth. You know, kid of like purifying their blessed Aryan stock or something by shooting the disabled and the mixed-races.

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1 year 2 months ago

Yes, I also got the impression that “outgrow” was used in the sense of “mature”, rather than “get bigger”, but if that means driving it into the dirt, who wants that?

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Draven
1 year 2 months ago

Joe Buckley? The actual Joe Buckley?

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Joe Buckley
1 year 2 months ago

There are more than one actual ‘Joe Buckley’, but I believe I’m the one you’re asking about.

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1 year 2 months ago

So you’re the guy I named my personal assistant app after for a while. Kind of liked the Buckley’s in Ringo’s books

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1 year 2 months ago

I’ve been tempted to make my smartphone respond to “Buckley” instead of “Galaxy” :D

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Joe Buckley
1 year 2 months ago

‘named my personal assistant app after’

You know… that sounds kind’a cool.

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NR Pax
1 year 2 months ago

“Daddy, what are those ruins over there?”

“Well, sweetheart, that used to be a place called London. It was a wonderful city that spanned for miles before the destruction. To be honest, poppet, the buildings you see are the small percentage that survived The Great Cataclysm.”

“What happened?”

“A Progressive writer awakened the Correia. And in his well-written wrath, he unleashed a dreaded manatee to smite the unworthy.”

“Oh. What’s a Progressive?”

“I’ll explain when you’re older, kiddo.”

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CombatMissionary
1 year 2 months ago

“Once Wendell evolved telekinesis powerful enough to ward off nuclear blasts and fling carriers miles, that was the end of it all.”

“Is that why Florida became a conservative state?”

“Yup. The manatees got fed up with leftist land-dwellers and then the Social Justice crowd spontaneously combusted on the Fourth of July. Oddly enough, so did the Castros. NEVER piss off a manatee, dear. They’re great people, but they’ve sworn to never tolerate idiots again.”

“Well, when are New York, Chicago and Detroit going to be vaporized, dad?”

“Those places are a little cold for Wendell and the boys to care about, but there are rumors the Asian Carp are actually sent up the Mississippi by the Manatee Republic and are developing mind powers like Wendell’s, just weaker. As for New York, my guess is their day is coming, and it’ll be uglier than London.”

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1 year 2 months ago

As a resident of Florida, I say from your lips to God’s ears!

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Patrick Chester
1 year 2 months ago

Now I’m flashing back to an old Freakazoid! episode where a mad scientist voiced by Tim Curry gave us this gem:
“They called me crazy! Insane! WENDELL!”

Truly, a show ahead of its time.

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Insectress
1 year 2 months ago

The Stellar’s Sea Cow tolerated the cold waters better, but it has been extinct since the mid-1800s. Perhaps the Russians knew something about sea cow wrath and systematically destroyed them?

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DaveP.
1 year 2 months ago

Oh, the huge manatee!

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AaronD
1 year 2 months ago

Freaking awesome!

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1 year 2 months ago

“Oh, the huge manatee!”

Wow. That one actually hurt.

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Rubberduckyofdoom
1 year 2 months ago

Ok, that was awesome.

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1 year 2 months ago

Monsters destroying London?

I’ll Just leave this here…. :)

http://youtu.be/mKjO5GXstVw

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Dave 52
1 year 2 months ago

Daddy, why did the puppies used to be sad?

Just eat your breakfast dear, and later we’ll go to the Wendel Day parade.

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CombatMissionary
1 year 2 months ago

Mayhap a cloning experiment is in order? California could certainly use the influence of the noble Manatee as well.

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1 year 2 months ago

Agreed. Absent cloning, though, I’m torn between sea otters and elephant seals.

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1 year 2 months ago

In order to believe as Damien believes, one must inhabit a bizarro-world alternative reality where it’s perpetually 1958 and Heinlein, Asimov, and Clarke are immortals. Of course, Heinlein was a libertarian and both Asimov and Clarke were liberals; the latter being gay. Doesn’t matter. They’re still part of the Republican conservative white patriarchy keeping the womens and brown peoples DOWN, man.

The most glaring fallacy in all of this, is the masturbation regarding “diversity.” As Larry notes, actual diversity would involve embracing people with different values, morals, and ideas. Damien’s side of the equation considers diversity to be skin deep. They like you if you come wrapped in a pretty “diverse” package but you are actually just like Damien on the inside: you vote the same, you think the same, you enjoy the same things, hate the same things, are politically motivated in precisely the same ways, etc.

So, the “diversity” parade becomes a vulgar carnival of Marxist douchethink as the “diversity” police shame, shun, frag, and slag anyone and everyone who is actually different in any substantial way. And of course, the Damiens of the world are so blind to their own smug biases they cannot see any of this for what it actually is. Thus the invention of the bizarro-world alternative reality.

Facing the truth — cold, hard — would be emotionally overwhelming for the Damiens, and disprove too many of their foundational beliefs.

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1 year 2 months ago

Brad,

Perhaps you’d care to comment as another “little known” author on Larry’s slate? I mean, you’ve been nominated for the Hugo, the Nebula, and the Campbell award before and now are on yet another Hugo ballot, surely you have some opinions on what it’s like to be so “little known”. :)

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1 year 2 months ago

I voiced my thoughts to Damien on the blog proper. I’ve been trying to figure out how best to address him in a blog of my own, but I think Paul Kemp and Larry may have covered 99% of it. I am still thinking on what to say, that might be productive. Because it might just come out as FUCK YOU DAMIEN YOU LITTLE FUCK, which would not be gentlemanly. (grin)

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1 year 2 months ago

Write a book where Little Damien is a character and have him get his tiny brain eaten by zombies for a light snack. That way you can trash for cash. Yay!

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1 year 2 months ago

Yeah, that’s not so much your style.

Larry’s style, but not yours :)

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CombatMissionary
1 year 2 months ago

Maybe you need to hang out with more rednecks. Being gentlemanly should be a consideration, but sometimes there’s no substitute for a well-timed bird finger followed up with a swift punch to the face to make a point. ;)

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1 year 2 months ago

Phantom,

Even better, have the zombies pass him up, since there’s no actual appetite.

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1 year 2 months ago

“Damian Walter: perfectly safe in a zombie apocalypse.” Awesome.

Liberals: the people zombies walk -away- from.

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1 year 2 months ago

It’s like a cartoon I saw of zombies starving on the White House lawn. :)

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Kristophr
1 year 2 months ago

The zombies would pass him up because he was already one of them, pre-plague.

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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 2 months ago

To be fair, a great many of today’s Hugo and Nebula nominees qualify as little known, even in their own genre. ;-)

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1 year 2 months ago

Of course, but Damien doesn’t get to have it both ways. Either awards matter – and if they matter, then it’s hard to say a Writers of the Future winner and triple nominee can be “little known”, at least by the right people – or they don’t.

I still remember Brad telling someone which stories in Lights of the Deep were nominated for what, and I followed up with, “But don’t let that fool you. It’s actually really good!”

Guess which camp I’m in? :D

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1 year 2 months ago

“The most glaring fallacy in all of this, is the masturbation regarding ‘diversity.’”

I’m glad you denounced this tripe about “diversity”–the most overused and abused euphemism in this whole controversy.

To quote the original piece: “The real prize for science fiction is not diversity for diversity’s sake (although I happen to believe that would be prize enough).”

Such an aim would be absurd if taken at face value. After all, if the real goal were pure unqualified diversity, we wouldn’t just need apologies and reparations for members of approved victim groups claimed to have been barred from SFF, but for illiterate and unintelligibly insane writers, as well as just plain bad ones. “Diversity” is a relative term with no intrinsic value.

Kemp deciphers Walter’s Newspeak when he writes: “…with ‘diversity’ here implicitly defined as being more inclusive of, and, in fact including more, women, persons of color, and persons of non-hetero sexual orientation…”

Thus revealing that Walter invokes “diversity” to lend undue moral weight to a circular argument which amounts to nothing more than, “These writers should capitulate to my political biases because it would support me in my political biases.”

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Pugmak
1 year 2 months ago

“… illiterate and unintelligibly insane writers, as well as just plain bad ones.”

Waitaminit!

Is there a sub-genre for that? I want to be an author and that sounds just my style.

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1 year 2 months ago

“Is there a sub-genre for that?”

Yes.

Yes there is.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-immortal-the-worst-fanfiction-ever

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1 year 2 months ago

I know a guy who wants to be a writer, and spells that bad. He IS better at writing story than that, but his spelling is that bad.

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1 year 2 months ago

“I know a guy who wants to be a writer, and spells that bad.”

He can always dictate his stories to a hired typist like Stephen J. Cannell did.

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1 year 2 months ago

Damien and his special little thoughts. Still as pathetic as ever.

The same man who blocked me after something like five tweets for not being “open” to discussion, in part because I wouldn’t agree with him about what my motives really were. Yeah…not gonna happen.

I remember the hatchet job he did on Larry before the Hugo nominations were announced (and how convenient the timing was). I didn’t really know much about him besides what Larry wrote about here and what John C. Wright touched on elsewhere. What I know now is that this pathetic little worm simply has to hide behind the safety of the internet because he’s too much of a dipshit to have to really stand up for something.

As for the message fiction thing, I read Larry’s post regarding that. I read Alex’s response (which consisted a lot of the phrase “piss off”). Larry’s comment about message fiction was dead on. Alex said she wanted to end something in science fiction that most of us don’t have an issue with, and Larry basically said, “Do whatever you want, so long as you put the story first.” OH HEAVEN FOR-FUCKING-BID! The message isn’t supposed to be first?

I don’t care who you are, I don’t particularly like message fiction. I’ve read libertarian message fiction, and as a libertarian, I’m going to tell you it sucks. Fiction that has libertarian undertones? Who other ballgame. Larry commented on as much in his post.

But Damien doesn’t want to acknowledge that, because he’s a pathetic piece of shit who doesn’t want to see his worldview challenged. The fact that someone like Larry – or to a much less well known extent, me – would do that apparently infuriates him. It infuriates him to such a degree that he begs for research help from his Twitter followers.

As a former journalist myself, I’m ashamed that this guy is a representative of that profession to people who don’t know any better.

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CombatMissionary
1 year 2 months ago

Damien : journalists = Al Sharpton : prophets.

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1 year 2 months ago

No argument.

Unfortunately, a lot of people who don’t know any better will equate journalists with Damien. It’s almost enough to make me cry.

Almost. ;)

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dyingearth
1 year 2 months ago

Tom, al-Guardian is hardly journalism. Albeit, in order for you to get hired in BBC News, you must first work there.

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1 year 2 months ago

Again, it’s the perception that he’s a journalist that bugs me. I know he’s not. Everyone here knows he’s not. Other Americans? Maybe, maybe not.

The true tragedy is all those people who don’t know the difference.

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John C Wright
1 year 2 months ago

“As a former journalist myself, I’m ashamed that this guy is a representative of that profession to people who don’t know any better.”

You and me both, brother, you and me both. I was also an editor on my second newspaper, and I keep wondering why the editor does not tug backward on the guy’s leash a little.

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1 year 2 months ago

Or, perhaps, to hoist him into a tree with that leash.

I don’t think it would bother me so much if he just disagreed with those of us on this side of the aisle. No, that’s just how it goes, and I’m fine with that.

What bothers me is that he not only maligns us at ever turn, but does it with outright fabrications and alleged telepathically obtained information. After all, he knew how I was “feeling” about the Nebulas despite me not even realizing how I felt.

Take issue with me, and that’s alright. Make up crap and skim until offended? No, we’ve got a problem. Me and Damien Walter? Big damn problem.

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dyingearth
1 year 2 months ago

As I mentioned in my reply to Tom, this is al Guardian we’re dealing with. The standard bearing paper of the proper thinking folks in England. Correct thinking is the only criteria of getting published there, not the actual worth of the content.

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1 year 2 months ago

Mr Wright, see my post down-thread quoting al-Ghardian’s Editorial Guidelines; then take a look at http://www.theguardian.com/info/2013/sep/23/guardian-readers-editor for suggestions about whom to contact.

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CombatMissionary
1 year 2 months ago

“…how my teaching women to carry guns is actually misogyny, and his pathetic attempt to channel Stalin.”

At first glance, I thought you had written that Damien was attempting to channel Satan. But, you know, tomato, tomahto.

Oh, also, I hate to be that guy, Larry, but…
“What a bunch of pretentious dribble…”
Dribble is the product of Damien’s mouth and ends up on his chin.
DRIVEL is the product of Damien’s mind and ends up splattered on the interwebs. :D

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1 year 2 months ago

Damien is so lacking in worth that even his dribble is pretentious.

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Book
1 year 2 months ago

“Allegations of bloc-voting arose as a slate of little-known writers appeared among the nominees…”

Notice how Walter keeps practicing quite a bit of legalese mush-mouth here. Instead of outright accusing people of bloc-voting he says “allegations of bloc voting arose”. The media loves to do crap like this.

Hey- fun drinking game! Next time you watch the news, take a shot whenever you hear a reporter say the words “Some people say!” or even “experts agree…” without clarifying WHICH people or experts. Or how many. Or whether or not said people and experts are full of shit.

Damien is trying the same nonsense here. There were allegations! And “these conservative authors” don’t like diversity! (which conservative authors? Oh, you know, the vague ones… // waves hand // over there.)

No links? Of course not. It’s a tidy way of making accusations without legally making accusations. But don’t expect liberals to possess critical reading skills. They don’t need evidence or quotes. Insinuations and sinister warnings are enough for them to believe this tripe.

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1 year 2 months ago

What surprises me is that he can pack two glaring contradictions in one sentence like that and not have the cognitive dissonance blow his head off. If the Larry is “Little known” how can he assemble a voting bloc big enough to influence the ballot?

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1 year 2 months ago

Well, the voting pool for the Hugo awards is pretty damn small, so it doesn’t take much to influence it.

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1 year 2 months ago

But what does that say about the other nominees then? They can’t be much better off.

Of course, we won’t know until the results are released after the awards if Larry made it in by the skin of his teeth, or was the #1 nominee. I suspect the latter.

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1 year 2 months ago

Oh don’t get me wrong. My point is not to impugn Larry in any way. But I actually found it shocking, having never looked into it before but having heard about the Hugos as THE SCIFI award, to look at last year’s stats and see how FEW people actually determine the winner. I want to say there were 1900ish voters total last year. Spread among 5 finalists, that means the winner could conceivably have had as few as 400 votes. Total. For the biggest. Award. Ever.

I suddenly became a lot less impressed with the Hugos after that.

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1 year 2 months ago

I largely stopped buying recent science fiction a long time ago because it was boring, pretentious, and worse depression (Yes, that’s right I thought SF was too depressing.)

Then I found this one particular publisher who seemed to be bucking the trend.

And, lately, having discovered Indie publishing I’m finding a lot more stuff that I actually want to read.

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Jonathan
1 year 2 months ago

Care to recommend some Indie authors you like?

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1 year 2 months ago

I’ve only really gotten into a couple of things so far. I like Cedar Sanderson’s “Pixie Noir” and Amanda S. Green’s “Nocturnal Lives” series. Sarah Hoyt is also releasing some of her older stuff Indie.

And, of course, I’m taking the opportunity to release some of my own short works in electronic form as well.

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1 year 2 months ago

Doug Dandridge has a series out that’s very similar to David Weber’s stuff and was pretty good. :)