This was posted into the comments in my last post about socialized healthcare passing the house. I feel the need to respond. The person that posted it, Dave, seems like a nice enough guy. So, Dave, this isn’t personal, but I need to fisk this. My comments are in bold.
The unemployment rate is over 10%, which means a good chunk of the population has lost their healthcare coverage, Okay, first off that rate will climb if the socialized healthcare is passed. If you increase the burden on employers and raise taxes, what always happens? Pretty much every economist and expert who isn’t in the pocket of Obama says that. Hell, ask Joe Lieberman, and he’s certainly not a republican.
since we all know it can be near impossible to buy a policy ourselves because of pre-existing conditions. For some people this is an issue. So why don’t we write a bill that is about 20 pages that addresses this one problem instead of one that takes 4 reams of paper to print that nobody has read?
Lots of other people have jobs that don’t provide healthcare. And that sounds like a personal problem. When I was self employed, I bought my own health insurance… and after listening to the wailing and gnashing of teeth, I was surprised how cheap it actually was. For what most people pay for cable and cell phones I insured my family of five. When I was younger and worked crappy jobs, I bought my own insurance, or I rolled the dice and went without. That was my personal choice. Your bad choices should not constitute an emergency on anyone else’s part.
I don’t love the dems, but they are trying to do something about it, I’m sure it’s not perfect, but I think it will help.
Oooooohhh…. They’re doing ‘something’.
I heard an analogy on the radio the other day that I want to expand. Imagine healthcare is an automobile. Our car is the best car in the world. In fact, it is so much better that when people with other cars really need to drive somewhere important, they come and use ours. However, our car does have some problems. It needs a new set of tires and maybe a new transmission. So to continue the analogy, the proposed reform is to take our nice car and replace it with a shitty import that gets bad mileage, has a terrible safety rating, was rated Worst Buy by Consumer Reports, and costs twice as much. In fact, it costs so much more that we really don’t know how we’re going to be able to afford the payments.
The Republicans have offered nothing, they are fine with 10s of millions of people being absolutely screwed if they get a serious illness or injury.
You’ve been watching the news, haven’t you, Dave? That’s another one of those talking points that is full of crap. What about the proposals that have been shot down every year for the last decade about opening up competition between insurance companies by removing artificial boundaries, so that there could be an increase in competition? What about the one that the NASB floats every year about allowing small businesses to group together, in order for them to be able to get more affordable rates for their employees and to offer coverage to more people? As much as I dislike Lindsey Graham, I believe he’s the guy that keeps bringing those up and getting smacked down by the democrats.
And wait a second… wasn’t it the EVIL George Bush that pushed Medicare prescription drug benefits? (which I also disagreed with, but it does disprove your point).
The amount of paranoia and fear-mongering in your rant is disturbing, and far from anything resembling reality.
I was told that very same thing when I said the bill would cover illegal aliens and fund abortions. (turns out I was right at the time). It is interesting to be lectured about reality, when nobody has read the whole bill. Death panels? Yep, they’re in there still. They just call them something nicer. You get the living hell fined out of you for not switching to a “Qualified Plan”. That’s in there too… Only they haven’t actually defined what constitutes a qualified plan yet.
So, what specifically have I talked about in this bill that is “far from anything resembling reality”? The part where a public option will be introduced? The part where there are rationing boards? The part where Obama has flat out lied about what is in the bill? The part that it is going to cost a fortune that we don’t have?
You’re so blinded by fear and hatred everything the Dems do seems like some sort of crazy plot to you.
This goes beyond Dem or Repub. If you are an American, period, you need to be concerned about this thing. Why the rush to so fundamentally distort our existing system? Why can’t people take the time to read it first? Why did Pelosi keep 700 pages of small print legalese secret until a few days before the vote? Doesn’t this bother you? Do you trust these people that much to just assume that they have nothing but your best interests as heart?
This is going to end badly, not because Obama stages a marxist coup, but because some psycho folows Tim McVeigh’s example and kills a bunch of people because you all yelled about how the tree of liberty needs to be watered one too many times.
I like how the specter of violence is always raised by the left to color the tone of the debate. Pelosi talked about how we’re so dangerous in hushed terms. The Tea Parties I’ve been to have been peaceful affairs, but they’re portrayed as screaming maniacs. Janet Napolitano isn’t worried about Muslim terrorists anymore, but rather the greatest threat to America are people who don’t trust the federal government and returning veterans.
I’m sick and tired of this crap. If we right wingers were as unhinged and deadly as Keith Olberman and Obama seem to think we are, then why the HELL do they keep pushing all our buttons? This is just a tactic to paint the right side of the debate in a certain light. “Oh, you don’t want healthcare? I better tread carefully, because you’re such a psycho, racist, lunatic, gun owning, tea-bagger.” It colors the perceptions of the debate from the very beginning. That is the goal.
Quit believing the news, Dave. Keep in mind that this is the same news media that can ponder obtusely on whether the Fort Hood shooting was terrorism, and how we can’t jump to conclusions, or paint anyone with a broad brush, or blah blah blah friggin’ blah, when he was in full imam wear that morning, spouted off jihadist propaganda, called up Al Queda, and shot US soldiers while screaming Allah Akabar.
Seriously, if a right-winger went on a shooting rampage while wearing a John 3:16 shirt and singing hymns, how do you think the media would portray it? Would they urge caution in jumping to conclusions, or would they use him to portray everyone on that side of the debate as a lunatic?
Same media, Dave.
That is what this is coming to, and you’re all too dim to see it, or are secretly rooting for it, I honestly can’t tell which anymore.
I call BULLSHIT.
I read your blog because I have a few guns, Good. and I generally like your sense of humor, Thank you. even when you’re doing political rants I disagree with, My blog. My opinion. (well, at least until the new guy at the FCC who loves Hugo Chavez shuts that down too)
but you’re wandering into crazy land with parts of this one.
Yep. Crazy land. Because I’ve said so much that is so very crazy.
You know what would have been really crazy? What if last November I had said that within a year, the government would own or directly control 30% of the US economy, would be poised to take over another 18%, that in a time of economic crisis we’d pass cap & trade, that the dollar would spiral downward because of record spending, that the new president would have spend more in a year than any prior administration had in eight, that the new president would take a ten months (and counting) to decide on whether to send more troops to Afghanistan or not after his generals had begged him, that we’d go on a worldwide apology tour to countries that hate us, that Obama would win the Nobel Peace Prize, that we were going to ram through one of the largest pieces of legislation in history (without reading it!), and that many of our top federal appointments would go to admitted Marxists.
Whew… Now that would have been crazy talk!
I think Obama is losing momentum because he’s equivocating, looking weak and not getting done a lot of the stuff he promised,
Negative. The reason he’s losing momentum is because America is waking up to what kind of man they elected. Like I said last year, Obama is the Boy Band of Politics. All flash, no real talent, but boy bands come out of nowhere, and media saturation tells everyone how great they are. Next thing you know they’re on the cover of every magazine in the world. They’re mega hits, but after a little while people start to realize that the boy band actually sucks and is annoying. Then like all boy bands, people start to hate all the celebrity being shoved down their throats. Then they fade into obscurity and go away.
I think we’ve moved into the backlash phase. Personally, I was ahead way ahead of the culture curve on this one!
not because the country’s discovering he’s a crazy Marxist/Communist/Fascist.
Yeah. I guess that would just be more crazy talk. What with him hiring Mark (Lil’ Hugo) Lloyd, Cass (Population Control)Sunstein, Van (Communist Agitator and Proud!) Jones, Anita (Mao & Mother Theresa) Dunn, Ron (the free market is a lie) Bloom, and crap, I can’t even remember all of the others, but you get the idea. The President has only said in his own book that he preferred the company of Marxists, and he’s surrounded himself with Marxists. He’s promoted Marxist ideals, goes off on social justice, and has slipped up a few times and talked about wealth redistribution. Gee whiz… I don’t know why anyone would get the crazy idea that he might, just might, harbor some Marxist tendancies!
Once again, I’ll throw this challenge out, even though no Obama supporter has ever answered it. Maybe you can help me out, Dave, since the idea that Obama is a Marxist is so very crazy. Can you name five things that Obama has promoted or pushed for that Karl Marx himself would not approve of? Hell at this point, I’d settle for three… Two maybe? Come on, Dave, I’m sure he’s done something to prove how CRAZY it is for me to call him a Marxist.
I’ll be waiting on that.