A legitimate political movement


I keep hearing people say that Occupy Wall Street is a legitimate political movement…

They just want “fairness”.

The violent acts are from a handful of “bad apples”.

Sure, a couple of days ago they mailed fake anthrax to banks and tried to blow up a bridge, but those people don’t represent the movement…

Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi both say that OWS is a legitimate movement.

To celebrate the holiday that was taken over by Communists, the same people who murdered over 100,000,000 of their own citizens over the last century, OWS threw a party.

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84 thoughts on “A legitimate political movement”

    1. I am a libertarian but these scum turn me in to a fan of cops. I would like to see some 7.62 NATO used on these vermin. I would do the world allot of good. I simply cannot abide the destruction of others property. However pepper spray and batons would be great too.

      1. There is no inconsistency between Libertarianism and the use of force against the OWS vermin. The contradiction is not to enforce those laws, properly enacted, against them.

    2. [T]here’s not enough police brutality.

      I cannot agree with your sentiment. The police should arrest lawbreakers, but extrajudicial punishment on the part of law enforcement is an abomination.

      1. Police brutality doesnt have a place but somewhere below judicial punishment there needs to be a 1st layer of punishment Idealy it wou lt would be delivered by parrents or grand parents. I have no objection to the police distributing them as well. A simple cuff to the back of the skull with a hand or buttox (Night stick is excessive a flail or lash doubly so) AKA a Gibbs slap or Dope slap, Is an ideal method for dealing out Menial justice. Put Em up on the front porch of the court house Read off what yon dumbsmack did. WHACK to the back of the head with a Dont be stupid look and message. This Done in public in front of your friends and neighbors has the added bonus of embarasing you while doing no permanent harm possibly just possibly causing you to consider your actions

        1. Quite seriously, part of the problem is the police are too lenient. One of the videos shows the cops spending 30 minutes pleading and dialoging with unreasonable idiots that they really must move or force will be used, pretty please, really truly, don’t make us do this, this is your last warning, your second last warning, just one more time…

          After 30 minutes, they gassed a few, who, predictably, were morally convinced the cops were all talk and no action.

          This made the situation worse.

          The totally reasonable response that should be endorsed and used is

          “Sir, you are blocking traffic and obstructing me in my duties. This is a crime. You must move at once”

          “Sir, if you do not move at once I will detain and arrest you for public nuisance and obstruction of justice” [they were blocking the cops from reaching the others]

          (CRACK, cuff, toss in the bus, let the judge deal with it, proceed to second asshole in line).

          Yes, I firmly endorse a nightstick to the occiput for an idiot who refuses to comply with a quite reasonable request after the illegality of his actions is explained.

          1. I do not disagree with yoru assesment. but a night stick 1 leaves a bruise two can more easily kill. Is kind of street cred cool to say yea “I took a baton at such and such” Where as “dude slapped me on the back of the head me and told me I was a moron cuffed me and then they put me out front of the court house and did it again” is not cool.

            The difference is slight but Physical wounds heal Psycological ones (as your books and other authors at Baen so eloquently illustrate) LAST.

          2. Certainly a valid argument if there’s no violence, merely resistance. Either way, though, once the law has been violated, tolerating further violations will not de-escalate the problem.

      2. I think there’s probably an adequate amount of space between police pleading and cajoling with lawbreakers and “police brutality”, to allow the police to effectively do their jobs without resorting to excessive levels of violence..

        Or maybe I’m making too much of the term “brutality”. *shrug*

  1. on LinkedIn you promised me profanity… 🙁

    I keep waiting for you to go all Lorenzo on these punks.

    1. I had some ranting afterward, but WordPress chopped off everything along with the last photo. Don’t know how I managed to do that.

  2. I’ve never understood this whole movement. Their complaint is that other people have more money than they have, and their solution is to sit around and complain about it. Self-fullfilling prophecy?

  3. I hope you’re going to apply the same standards to the “pro-life” movement and the Tea Party. Stalking and killing abortion doctors, taking guns to political rallies, advocating the violent overthrow of an elected government…

    1. Ahh, the good old moral equivelence argument. But the other kids were being bad too!

      Stalk somebody, get prosecuted. Murder somebody, get prosecuted. Sounds simple.

      Taking guns to political rallies? Not breaking any law. Newsflash. If you go to a political rally in a place like Utah or Texas, and it is a right wing rally, 1/2 of the audience are carrying firearms. What you and the media are calling advocating the violent overthrow of the elected government is probably what most of us refer to as the 2nd amendment. However, if somebody had actually committed conspiracy to commit violent acts against government officials, then bring charges and prosecute. Since this hasn’t happened… Huh… I wonder why. The only people I’ve seen talking about violence against the authority are the OWS types talking about killing the police. Go figure.

    2. We don’t apply the same standards to the Tea Party and Right to Life. Our standards far higher.

      We arrest, try, convict and punish our violent members.

      Also, I don’t know of any violent Tea Partiers. The Tea Party is best known for leaving its protest areas cleaner than they found them.

      What is really fun is when lying bastards try hang folks on us who have no relation – like McVeigh and Loughner.

      That doesn’t seem to be the case for OWS (and media and the current regime). The support and protect this scum.

      As Mr. Williamson pointed out, OWS is proof that we need more police brutality…

    3. I have never once seen a tea party member threaten anyone. As for saying all conservatives are tea party members or “pro-life” you might want to stop assuming. And when did the Tea Party threaten to overthrow the government. If anything Obama and the rest of his stooges are going a pretty good job or ripping this country to shreds and destroying her reputation in the process. I think you have your tin foil hat on a bit tight, or majorly hoodwinked by the main stream media take your pick.

  4. That’s just Darwin’s Survival of the Fittest waiting to happen. There should be scientists in white lab coats standing around with pencils and clipboards monitoring the process.

  5. I am a fan of complaining which is why i became a republican. I to am a fan of sitting around, but money buys me books i like to read, the chair i like to sit in while reading and the effin house i keep my books and chair in!!! I agree with questioning authority and a lot of the ideas they have can be valid but the way in which they are going about things utterly blows.

  6. No one tried to blow up a bridge. FBI paid conspirators were successful in convincing a group of inbred ohioans to place packages of play-do on a bridge. Slight difference, and I never understand why the ridiculous parts of propaganda are sited as legitimate when they colour people who don’t agree with you.

    1. I believe one of the ows that tried to blow up the bridge was in charge of the Columbus Ows their building lease etc were all in his name.

  7. while I don’t agree with the OWS faction and hate to defend them. Those were photos and damaged done by anarchist groups who like to inter-mingle with the OWS group. They are usually quick to separate themselves from the anarchist. AS you know anarchist are so far to the right they are off the proverbial meter.

    1. Except for left “anarchists” whose political ideology is, “Tax the US and give the money to everyone else.”

      And OWS doesn’t “distance” themselves from criminals. It embraces them, right up to the moment they get caught, then shouts and jerks about “FBI infiltrators” and “right wing operatives” and “teabagger astroturfers.”

    2. Somehow, I don’t think ‘anarchists for big government and free stolen crap’ are a creature of the right…At least not since from well before the Spanish Civil War.

      OWS’ useful tools couldn’t even correctly wrap their heads around the whole Guy Fawkes thing either.

      “Remember, remember…Some old damn day in November.”

    3. Hard to distance yourself from anyone when your battle cry is that you represent “the 99%”. You are, by definition, claiming pretty much everyone at that point.

      And I strongly doubt any of the brick pitching ninnies accompanying OWS were making $500k / year.

    4. Anarchist groups are allowed mic time to make speeches at Occupy rallies. They are 1 and the same. I do find it hilarious that people who are obsessed with “fairness”, abhor firearms, and lack any useful skills would advocate anarchy. The moment society collapsed they would become slaves to any unscrupulous person with a weapon or food.

    5. Nice seperation, letting them hang out in the same encampments, eat the same food, attend the same rallies, all without atempting to drive them away…
      it appears the only “seperation” is when someone throws a brick through a window or rapes somebody, and there needs to be an excuse made to avoid responsibility.

    6. That really depends on the anarchist in question.

      While there are many anarchist philosophies that would be considered “right” such as anarcho-capitalism and voluntaryism most of the famous and more revolutionary anarchist philosophies (anarcho-communism, anarcho-syndicalism) are more to the “left” of the political spectrum.

      The ones pictured breaking windows are revolutionary “leftist” anarchists (they were “celebrating” May Day, which they have claimed as International Workers’ Day). You usually don’t see many “right” anarchists breaking windows because they hold private property rights to be a keystone of society.

      1. With hat-tip to M. Python:

        Old woman!
        Old Man, sorry. What knight live in that castle over there?
        I’m thirty seven.
        I’m thirty seven — I’m not old!
        Well, I can’t just call you `Man’.
        Well, you could say `Dennis’.
        Well, I didn’t know you were called `Dennis.’
        Well, you didn’t bother to find out, did you?
        I did say sorry about the `old woman,’ but from the behind
        you looked–
        What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior!
        Well, I AM king…
        Oh king, eh, very nice. An’ how’d you get that, eh? By
        exploitin’ the workers — by ‘angin’ on to outdated imperialist dogma
        which perpetuates the economic an’ social differences in our society!
        If there’s ever going to be any progress–
        Dennis, there’s some lovely filth down here. Oh — how d’you do?
        How do you do, good lady. I am Arthur, King of the Britons.
        Who’s castle is that?
        King of the who?
        The Britons.
        Who are the Britons?
        Well, we all are. we’re all Britons and I am your king.
        I didn’t know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous
        You’re fooling yourself. We’re living in a dictatorship.
        A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes–
        Oh there you go, bringing class into it again.
        That’s what it’s all about if only people would–
        Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives
        in that castle?
        No one live there.
        Then who is your lord?
        We don’t have a lord.
        I told you. We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take
        it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
        But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified
        at a special biweekly meeting.
        Yes, I see.
        By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,–
        Be quiet!
        –but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more–
        Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
        Order, eh — who does he think he is?
        I am your king!
        Well, I didn’t vote for you.
        You don’t vote for kings.
        Well, ‘ow did you become king then?
        The Lady of the Lake,
        [angels sing]
        her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur
        from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I,
        Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.
        [singing stops]
        That is why I am your king!
        Listen — strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
        is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power
        derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical
        aquatic ceremony.
        Be quiet!
        Well you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power
        just ’cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
        Shut up!
        I mean, if I went around sayin’ I was an empereror just
        because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they’d put me away!
        Shut up! Will you shut up!
        Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
        Shut up!
        Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
        HELP! HELP! I’m being repressed!
        Bloody peasant!
        Oh, what a give away. Did you here that, did you here that,
        eh? That’s what I’m on about — did you see him repressing me,
        you saw it didn’t you?

        Now, I had debated modding the dialogue to more exactly fit the situation but I think it fits just fine (besides why mess with perfection?)

    7. Had the same sort of “infiltration” happened at a Tea Party rally, the Neanderthals would have been policed by the citizenry present – not cheered.

      The only reason any of the thugs got away in Seattle is because the crowd let them merge seamlessly back in. “Hey, I’m just putting on the red shirt over the black hoody, let me be man!” And that’s -after- sheltering them on the way in, and reportedly, -training- with them on who-does-what.

      If you actually look at the “violence at the Tea Party” news, it’s all trumped up from “Caught an ass being violent or destructive.”

  8. Uh the FBI is doing their usual “infiltrate a fringe group and push them into plotting” move. They did it to militias in the 90s, and Muslims groups in the 00s. Looks like Occupy is their next target. Classic fed entrapment going on.


    If you’re in a fringe political group, and a new guy joins and starts advocating violent acts, he’s a fed. There are almost no exceptions. If Emanuel Goldstein doesn’t exist, the Party will create him. Because we must remain at war with Eastasia.

    1. Heh… As a rule of thumb if you meet somebody on the internet that:
      A. Wants to sell you bombs.
      B. Says they are a 16 year old girl.
      They are a federal agent. 🙂
      But like I said, it isn’t like any of these guys read much history.

      1. That’s what the guy above is talking about I think: the federal agent was not passing on information or reporting plots, he was the one urging them to commit violence, handling the details, pressuring the ones who didn’t want to bomb the bridge.

        He’s not reporting on terrorist plots, he’s creating a terrorist plot. I mean jeez, mixing up an ANFO bomb isn’t hard but anything beyond that you’re going to need some training. The Occutards are grievance studies majors. They don’t work for commercial blasting companies, they don’t come out of the military with demo training. They literally are incapable of executing the attack they are accused of plotting. Well, except for the FBI agent who claims all the expertise and provides all the leadership for it.

    2. You can’t cheat an honest man. If there really were “agitators”, the quickest way to get rid of them would have been to call the cops on them. Was this done? Of course not.

    3. Britt?

      No training in explosives From the military, None from Demolitions,
      With about 2 hours on the net i could probably whip up any thing short of a nuke. If a sheep herder from afghanistan with no formal education at all can whip up an IED Any person on this site with access to the web can do better.

      Any idiot can make an explosion, only a slightly smarter person can manage to not be there when it goes off.

    4. Britt take your garbage elsewhere they have been doing this since the beginning of destroying stuff so it is NOT an FBI plot to make them look stupid they are already doing that.

  9. As a 4th generation Texan, a Tea Party Member (Wilco in Round Rock), and a CCH Licensee’:

    I am dismayed that the Tea Party and Gun Owners are even remotely compared in any way to OWS per Rev Bob; as Mr. Correia says the argument of moral equivalence between the Actions of the Tea Party and the OWS self avowed anarchist is specious. As Harry the Horrible points out Right Wing evil doers are brought to justice, with the understanding that McVeigh and others were not Tea Party members and took their actions years before the movement. Their wrong headed actions were in sympathy to the slaughter of the Branch Davidian cult by Janet Reno. McVeigh should have been a man and tried to go after Janet rather than killing more innocents. In any case he paid for his crime; but, nothing can bring back all the children killed in both the Waco and Oklahoma. Personally I do not see a big distinction between McVeigh and Reno they are both cold blooded ruthless killers convinced of the rightness of their true beliefs, just like the Islamic Fundamentalist, the ultra Left Wing communists like Bill Ayers, and oh yes Barrack Obama. All of that bunch believe that the ends justifies the means; and so does the OWS faction.

    As to Rev. Bob’s concern about the Anti Abortion crowd and all the rhetoric around contraception and other remarks concerning women, this is the reason the Right in general is not capturing the minds of the young. They want to live completely consequence free and only for the here and now. As we old time 60’s people said “If it feels good, do it”. Basically the whole OWS and youth zeitgeist problem is summed up in the refrain “Gee, Math is Hard”. Some how or other we have not inculcated from our generation to theirs that personal work ethic and doing the hard stuff is the ticket for being able to stomp your foot and say, we need to do it a different way; but, pave the way to that difference with hard work and contributions.

    I agree with Rev. Bob we should have a Tea Party movement that embraces Pro Choice and Pervasive support of all Women’s Issues as defined by the Left. That way we could get on with the tactical argument of what is the thing this so called Mil-lineal generation needs to do to get on with life. OWS is a simply a bunch of ne’er do well liberal arts and Political Science wonks that are super frustrated that that they have to buckle down and work for a living and the sobering discovery that no one is going to just give it to them. I am sure that all the folks that majored in Art History, Social-logy, Psychology, Liberal Arts in General, etc and borrowed money to go to school are surprised that there is no demand for those skills. OWS is the collective whining of young people who just cannot believe you have to work your tail off to succeed The OWS movement is shameful to the young people who really are striving in the Military, and those who majored in learning a marketable skill i.e. engineering accounting, science, welding, machinist, brick laying, gunsmithing etc.

    As to us Tea Party folks and gun carriers in Texas Larry is right we go to political rally’s and gee whiz no one is killed. At OWS meetings buildings are violated, people are injured, rapes of handy women in the crowd occur, etc. Robert Heinlein was right when he said “An armed society is a polite society”..

    1. If you get that pro-choice tea party going be sure to get the word out as it sounds great!


      1. This is the truth. Women today are given no real way to secure their peace with themselves about the Pro Choice Contraception and have a wary alliance with the left over that single issue; knowing full well the rest of the agenda is bogus. The Right is too damned full of religiosity. Were I a woman I would be mucho pissed that I had to choke down all the stuff being spewed by just a few hardened anti-abortion factions when the majority of women need to be assured they can do what they need to do for themselves. We lose precious mind share and strong productive women over a single issue that is really none of our business. Amazingly at Tea Party meetings this has actually been discussed as a third rail issue to be avoided issue; but, the religious faction gets going and amazingly it is led by women who for some reason are very very aggressive about the subject. Seems like all the Anti Pro Choice deep set feelings revolve around some deeply personal incident in their lives not necessarily intellectual or faith based musings. I really have sympathy for women on this issue. Were I young I would really loathe not being able to have that personal control of destiny. Men should just let this whole subject lie. The Tea Party ideas soar on their own when you cut out this issue.

        1. The Dems by and large were smart enough to drop gun control and gain vote share.

          When the Rs wise up enough to drop the utterly fabricated “pro-life” issue that started in the mid 70s, they’ll sweep elections.

          Religiosity is the death of the party.

    2. In addition, neither McVeigh or Loughner were even “right wingers” by any rational standards.

  10. Where to start…super hard since everything about the “occupy” movement bothers me. This is what happens when an entire generation is raised to think that everyone should get a trophy, that there should be no competition in childhood, that hard work is not necessary…then take that generation and tell them for 13 years of schooling (K-12) that “everyone is special” and throw on the fact that there is no real punishment if you misbehave in school. Give these kids 4 additional years of schooling on student loans or the parent’s dime (without these kids having a clue how long it takes to bank that kind of dough) and then throw them out in the real world where you DO actually have to work hard to achieve something. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS!

    Teachers in our schools, and professors in our colleges are teaching subjects, tainted with their skewed views. I was an Elementary Education major, and one of the first things that they teach you is that you are supposed to not tout your belief system in relation to politics to your students. If your students ask, you may tell them, but you are not supposed to say things like: “The president is awful”, unfortunately, not only do teachers do these things, but they mock students that stand up and disagree. The same happens at the college level. The professors are turning out liberal sheep every year. It is often not unitl much later that these students wake up and realize that life is hard, everyone has to play by certain rules, and you are special to your family–and that’s about it. Many of my friends (we’re in our mid-30’s) are now turning to the republican party, because they’ve woken up to the fact that there is more to politics than abortion, and gay rights. When taken at face value, the sheeple participating in these OWS demonstrations look to be sticking to their guns…standing up for their righs…etc. Stop and think though, how are they able to do this? Do their employers give them leave? Oh, that’s right, they don’t have jobs. Don’t their yards need mowed or electric bills need paid? Oh, that’s right they don’t own anything. Don’t they need to eat? Wait, that’s right, the SEIU is helping with that.

    These people claim to be the 99% Um, 99% of what? I know, I know, they’re supposed to be the 99% that are paying for stuff…yeah, what exactly are they paying for when they are sitting on their collective asses for weeks on end and ruining public landmarks or defacing businesses? They certainly are not contributing to GDP, or earning a paycheck that is being taxed. So. How are they the 99% that is being taxed too much?

    Those involved in the TEA party movement are villainized, and called “tea-baggers” among other derrogatory names, all the while, being derided for being racist, anti-women, and anti-gay. However, if you look in the crowd you see black and white, women and men, and I would go so far as to say that there are more than likely gay people amongst them, though they probably aren’t the most flamboyantly gay people in the world. Ever wonder why the Tea party protests are in the evening or on weekends, or only last a day or two? WE HAVE JOBS. WE WORK. We contribute to taxes FOR REAL. We are homeowners, business owners, parents, children…people who are sick of the government telling us what to eat, what to buy, how to raise our children.

    The OWS movement is nothing more than spoiled children who don’t want to do their chores or clean up their rooms, all the while whining that someone has more than they do.

    1. Speaking as a public High School student, I heartily agree. Also the next few generations coming out of high school look like they’re the same as the OWSers. My history teacher is spending class hours teaching us about how OWS is the wave of the future, and that it is “empowered youths taking the future into their own hands to ensure fair play”. I’m also the only person in that class that knows how to use a shotgun. If that isn’t a bad sign, I’ll eat the hardcover version of Spellbound.

      1. I feel for you kids, it isn’t easy being part of the few who does not follow along with the ideology of the left in school. Know that it will pay off one day, as you will be one of the few that graduates with common sense.

    2. Very very well said. Even 40 ago or years in the 60’s my college government professors in were flaming liberals spewing exactly the liberal cant you describe to the weak minded or perhaps blank slates waiting to be written up on. When any one took the slightest issue with the Rhetoric he belittled, and used dismissive scorn to quell the those smart enough to see through the scam. Ridicule is a time honored method for bullying youth into submission because they have no mental fitness or agility to stand up to it.

      I agree after a long dose of liberal and communists brain washing in schools most folks come to their senses based on real life experience. Thank the Gods of reality.

      1. You speak truth. It pains me to sit in college classes and listen to the muck that comes out of the professors’ mouths. However, the one saving grace is that I am getting a business degree, so some of the profs are actual businessmen and women who don’t do that. It is mainly the core curriculum classes that I hear this mess in. I had a history teacher that used to spew her worldview out to the class, and it was positively sickening. She really needed to go back to her hippie drum circle, I’m sure they were missing her.

  11. OK, so it is not “real” OWS peace, love, and celestial harmony people who are assaulting fellow campers, destroying property, and waving placards with pictures of cops being beheaded and impaled by unicorns. And the real OWS people decry the acts after they happen. So why are the “real” Occupiers tolerating the Black Bloc et al in the first place? Why provide them cover so they can blend back into the march and then strike again a few blocks later (Seattle)? Why not stop them when the Black Bloc members assault bystanders and the media( NYC, Seattle, other places)? Sorry, if you lay down with anarcho-vandals, you are going to get fleas, scabies, and disdain from the rest of us no matter what your cause might be.

  12. When you brand your movement as leaderless, without any clearly defined positions or demands, you lose any ability to denounce people who act on their own based on positions that you don’t like.

  13. If the morons had majored in something useful like chemistry or just taken the time to research they probably could’ve done some damage instead of looking like buffoons. No wonder they don’t have jobs.

    Dear education system,
    Please keep turning out these weak-minded, no life skill, uncompetitive idiots. They will be useful to me as serfs and fertilizer after society collapses and I fulfill my dream of becoming a feudal warlord.

  14. I respectfully submit that one loses political legitimacy in the act of masking one’s face at a political demonstration.

    I submit further that persons who mask their faces at political demonstrations are exactly morally equivalent to Police personnel who remove their identifying numbered badges, in that both thereby give notice of intent to embark on unlawful behavior. (In the Police case, visiting extrajudicial violence under — tattered — “color of law” upon the demonstrators.)

    Finally I submit that legitimate demonstrators should treat anyone who does mask his or her face, as a known Police provocateur, and send him or her to Coventry.

    1. I can agree with that. It is honest and smacks of yeoman bravery, If you want to make a mark be bold like John Hancock.

    2. Often, the police are told to take the badges off because of fear of reprisal. It’s not hard to get information on a police officer if you have their badge number. It’s when they use that as an excuse to go rogue, like Chicago police did in 1968, that they’re wrong. Moral equivalence is not exactly the way to win an argument.

  15. Let’s be fair. It’s evident that these poor folks are in an unbalanced mental state due to a dietery deficit: i.e. lead deficency.

    200 grains supplied transdermally should fix them right up.

    1. Wow. One incident of assualt from 2010 at something that wasn’t a Tea Party event. Man. Pwned.

      Now here is the thing. My side gets accused of violence all the time. Ironically enough, we’re the side with the guns and the knowledge of how to use them. When we do get uppity, trust me, you’ll know.

      1. Uh-huh. And do you apply that same level of whiny self-justification to the OWS incidents you cite?

        Now here is the thing. My side gets accused of violence all the time. Ironically enough, we’re the side with the guns and the knowledge of how to use them. When we do get uppity, trust me, you’ll know.

        But, Larry, every time your side has tried, you failed. Such as when your side attempted to evade taxing the rich in France in the 1780s, or when your side declared war on the United States in 1861 so you could continue to keep slaves, or when your side invaded Poland in 1939.

        Each and every time, right-wingers who thought they had the monopoly on violence and could use it to defend their privilege over others turned out to be dead, dead wrong.

        And your guns and your knowledge of how to use them isn’t going to help you when you start something this time and get stomped, either.

        1. Heh. You mean when the populists started running people through the guillotine, when the Democrats fought to keep slaves, or when the National Socialists invaded Poland? Your grasp of political philosophy is apparently as good as your grasp on history.

          Oh, I have no delusion that the right have a monopoly on violence. After all, it was the left that managed to murder over 100,000,000 of their own citizens in the last 100 years… But I’m sure it’ll be different this time.

          You know, come to think of it, there have been other instances where underemployed young men were used as useful idiots to smash a bunch of windows and bully people. Last time they called it Kristallnacht.

        2. What about when “our side” invaded England? Or “our side” conquered Gaul? Or “our side” killed everyone in the 7th Cave of the Antelope River?

          Seriously. If you’re going to bring ancient history into it, bring ancient history into it. Of course, you might want to remember who was on which side–historical fact for retards and lefticles: The Abolitionists and Lincoln were Republicans.

          What about the 5.5 million US servicemen killed in wars started by Democrats (WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the Balkans, Somalia and the Balkans again) vs the whopping 6000 in wars started by Republicans (Gulf War, OIF/OEF)?

          Or we could bring up “right-winger” FDR cramming 110,000 Americans into concentration camps. Or Robert Byrd as a leader of the KKK, after dodging the draft in WWII, following up by voting against every black justice nominated by Reagan, Bush and Bush.

          I’m an immigrant and fit three other minority stati if I wish to claim them. You self-aggrandizing, racist, leftist filth make me want to fucking puke.

        3. Oh Hanna:

          You are a self righteous radical revolutionary. Michael Z is absolutely right you cannot serve this devils stew of mixed metaphors.up only as you like it. It is a confusing but fairly well documented fact that the error of aggregate violence falls almost entirely on the left. Bill Ayers included. Although the siren call of stomping a MoveOn.org representative is indeed tempting. I would almost have to be restrained not to do it.

  16. Heh. You mean when the populists started running people through the guillotine, when the Democrats fought to keep slaves, or when the National Socialists invaded Poland?

    Riiiight – you think the National Socia1ists were leftist because they used the word “Socia1ist” – and you accuse others of having a poor grasp of social philosophy?

    The only thing more retarded than Jonah Goldberg’s bleatings are the morons who take him seriously.

    You’re just another right-wing apologist and dupe for elites who think they can continue to use violence to keep everyone else in line while they loot countries and exploit others. Same as the Blackshrts, same as the Confederates, same as the French Ancien Regime.

    And just like them, you masturbate over fantasies of violence. And, just like them, you turn out to be no match for a democratic people.

    1. No. I’m sorry, the name Nazi actually translates as Fluffy Puppy Rabbit Happy Funtime Hug Party, but my German is rusty. Yes, dumbass, they were socialists. But they were only runners up compared to the commies. Now those assholes mechanized murder into something like farming.

      But what do I know about the history and social movements of the 1930s? (regular readers are laughing at you right now, Hanna, not with you).

      I have never read a Jonah Goldberg book, however if I ever meet him, I will gladly buy him a drink, because anyone that causes lefties like you so much consternation deserves my thanks.

      Dupe for the elites? Man, I’m going down on the liberal hate scale. Last year when I complained about paying 40 grand in taxes all you little wingbats were calling me “the elite” and snarling at me that I should be happy to pay my “fair share”.

      As for your grasp of right vs left, apparently anybody who is mean = right, and anybody you like = left. It is really interesting when you bring in political movements that predate the current right vs left paradigm, and use that as some sort of justification. Yes, Hanna, the conquistadors and Genghis Khan were on my side too.

      I can’t say I masterbate over fantasies of violence, though I did spend a decade learning how to get really good at it. (violence, not masterbating, my gosh just imagine the chafing!)… Seriously lady, if my side was 1/10th as blood thirsty as you make us out to be, all of you fuckers would be dead before breakfast. But you’re not. Meanwhile to justify your side’s childish temper tantrums you come up with one incident of assault from 2 years ago, which looks pretty insignificant when compared to the couple thousand felonies your side committed last week. Same reason that the media likes to assign us dochebags like Loughner and McVeigh, even when they don’t have anything to do with us. Because when you don’t have reality, run with narrative.

      The American nazis and the communists have backed Occupy rather the Tea Party for a reason. You guys are fellow travelling useful idiots.

    2. Hi, Hanna. Great way to move the goal posts, avoid the issues, spell badly and re-write history.

      Remember, again, that the southern DEMOCRATS supported slavery, and the REPUBLICANS ended it.

      “Just because they use the word soc1alist…”

      Are you afraid to say the word? You should be. Take a look at the National Socialists’ SOCIAL policies.

      You still haven’t responded on FDR, a DEMOCRAT, stuffing 110,000 Americans into concentration camps and stealing their property, including many non-Japanese because all those Asians look the same, right? and sterilizing “undesirables.”

      No word on the 5.5 million troops killed by DEMOCRAT military excursions in the last century? Then you better never bring up Bush.

      And as Larry points out–the Communists, Nazis and Klan have all endorsed the Occupussies.

      BTW, once again, I’m an immigrant, I’m pro-free speech, pro-gay, anti-corporate bailout, anti-religion, have no objection to people burning a flag they pay for, refuse to recite the “Pledge of Allegiance,” and support the legalization of recreational drugs and prostitution. In what crack-smoking world am I “right wing”?

      Or do you just try to pigeonhole me because I’m anti-Dumb Cunt?

      1. Lets not forget HOW the National Socialists got into power
        Of the 25 point program of the National Socialist program
        15 are pretty Democratic/OWS ideals (the other 10 seem somewhat rational or just blatently racist)

        1. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.
        2. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
        3. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
        4. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
        5. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
        6. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
        7. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
        8. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
        9. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
        10. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
        11. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
        12. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
        13. We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
        I do not have a personal issue with freedom of religion but that LAST underlined line is the problem.
        14. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The good of the state before the good of the individual.[11]
        15. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.

      2. Dont forget the Italians on the east coast that were prosecuted

        My Grandparents couldnt own a Camera and were rounded up and put to work on APG “supervising” German pows. My Dad still has the Good Conduct comendation given to Oliver Angelo Menin

  17. Mike, even if they do bring up Bush to compare to the various Democratic military excursions of the twentieth century, it still isn’t really a valid comparison. You can’t compare conscript armies to a volunteer force.

    World War I, World War II, Korea, and Viet Nam were fought with largely conscript armies. Remember, though, the leftists are peace lovers that don’t think anyone should be forced to fight in a war. Remember, that’s what they yelled about Bush. But yet, FDR is one of the great heroes of leftists.

  18. Something for the liberals should remember since they seem so all fired determined to hobble not just freethinkers on the “right” or in the “middle’ but themselves as well…
    “No man can put a chain about the ankle of his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck. ” Fredrick Douglass.

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