A Handy Guide For Liberals Who Are Suddenly Interested In Gun Ownership

That title isn’t joking. This post is aimed at my liberal readers. I’m a libertarian leaning Republican and gun expert, who thinks you are wrong about a lot of stuff, but I’m not writing this to gloat about your loss. For the record, I disliked all the presidential candidates.

 

Judging by your social media over the last few days many liberals have been utterly terrified that your government might turn tyrannical or that evil people will now be emboldened to hurt you. I’m going to let you in on a little thing the other half of the country is familiar with to keep those unlikely, yet catastrophic, events from happening.

 

And that my lefty friends, is 2nd Amendment.
Having just gone through a war against a tyrannical government, the Founders understood that governments can go bad, so they made sure to note our God given right (or we’ll say naturally occurring right, since a bunch of you are atheists) to keep and bear arms in order to defend ourselves. The 2nd Amendment isn’t about hunting or “sporting purposes”, it’s about having weapons that you can fight with. As an added bonus, being able to protect yourself from a tyrannical government means that you’re a lot better equipped to deal with any common criminal who decides to hurt you.
Before I get into the details about how to enjoy your newly discovered 2nd Amendment rights, let me just say that I get you’re sad, angry, bitter, and fearful. But just like my people over the last few elections, you’ll get over it. The really hyperbolic freak outs about Literally Hitler make you sound just like the Alex Jones crowd worried that Obama was going to herd Christians into FEMA camps last time. So take a deep breath and relax. Your friends and neighbors are the same as they were last week. The vast majority weren’t voting because racism, they voted against the status quo and a really unlikable Democrat. And no, they aren’t going to round you up into cattle cars.

 

But in the off chance they do, let’s get you prepared!

 

WHAT GUNS ARE FOR

 

I’ll start out with the far more likely threat, violent criminals who would assault, rape, or murder you, and how to deal with them.

 

Many of you have been sharing every second hand account, rumor, and urban legend about some random doofus in Somnambulant, Wisconsin or Bumfight, Louisiana, shouting an ethnic slur or spray painting a swastika on a wall. Newsflash, in a country with a third of a billion people, some percentage of them are going to be assholes. I hate to break it to you, but the assholes were there before, and they will be there forever. Just right now the news has a self-serving incentive to report about these assholes in particular.

 

But Correia! You’re not a marginalized Mexican transsexual Muslim! What do you know!?

 

I know that anybody can be “marginalized” if they walk into the wrong neighborhood. Violence can happen to any of us, and it does, all the time. Whether your odds of being a victim are good or bad, it still sucks when you draw the short straw and somebody tries to hurt you. Whoever you are, you are correct to be concerned for your safety. Anybody can be attacked, and everybody should be prepared to deal with it.

 

Since this is addressed to liberals, spare me the usual nonsense about “Victim Blaming”. We don’t have time for silliness. If you’re banking on the goodwill of evil people to keep you safe, you are a sucker. If I urge you to look both ways before crossing the street, I’m not victim blaming, I’m trying to keep your stupid ass from getting hit by a bus.

 

Whether you are being attacked because some jerk doesn’t like your head scarf and you voted for Hillary, or getting pulled out of your car and beaten because the local hooliganry thinks you voted for Trump, or some dude with no coherent political philosophy beyond the voices in his head told him to murder you and rape your dog, it doesn’t matter… There are evil people in the world, and they will hurt you simply because it amuses them.

 

So there are bad people who want to hurt you. Now what do you do?

 

Regardless of what you worship, who you love, or you skin tone, you have the unalienable right to self-defense. The 2nd is an equal opportunity amendment.

 

Calling the cops is awesome. If they get there in time they will be happy to save your ass, but that’s assuming they get there in time. Violent encounters usually happen very quickly. Good police response time is measured in minutes. You can be dead in seconds. Plus, your side is the one that doesn’t trust the cops anyway. It isn’t Republicans out there protesting the police. So why is it you expect agents of the state to risk their lives to save you? Gratitude?

 

What most of us in the right side of the country understand is that responsible adults need to be able to defend themselves. That means owning guns and learning how to use them. (To be fair, many on the left have also come to this same conclusion already, but they have to keep that opinion to themselves so the rest of you don’t yell at them).

 

Unarmed self-defense is great, when it works. I’m a fan. Less-lethal devices like pepper spray are great, when they work. But trust me on this, everybody who does this professionally, who has spent years learning about how violence really works, we all have guns.

 

You’ve probably been taught that guns are frightening murder rods, just itching to go shoot up a school. You want to survive, get over that nonsense. I know that most of the stuff liberals think they know about firearms is flat out wrong. I’m here to tell you as a retired professional firearms instructor that sadly everything Occupy Democrats memes have taught you is incorrect. Whatever you think you know, check those preconceived notions at the door, because it is probably biased garbage.

 

Firearms are not magic. They are neither evil nor good. They are just tools that throw a projectile. That’s it. There’s no voodoo involved. They are items that allow a physically weak person to survive a confrontation against somebody who is stronger, or there’s more of them, or whatever other nightmare scenario you come up with. I know many of you are scared of guns, but just think of them like fire extinguishers, but for murderers.

 

 

HOW SELF-DEFENSE WORKS

 

Just because you have a gun doesn’t mean that you can just go and shoot whoever you feel like. I see this pop up all the time amongst my liberal friends. Like if a redneck sees a black dude, he can just blast him because the redneck felt uncomfortable. First off, no, that’s not how the laws work. Second off, maybe if you’d quit proclaiming everybody who isn’t part of your clique is a racist murderer, you’d win more elections.

 

Here is another article where I go into a great deal of detail about when it is legal to shoot somebody. http://monsterhunternation.com/2014/11/25/the-legalities-of-shooting-people/ I taught this stuff for a living. Trust me, I know more about this than the staff writers at Salon. Almost everything I’ve ever seen from a liberal publication concerning self-defense laws is incorrect. And I’m not just talking like I enjoy guns and they don’t, I mean they have such a basic, elementary misunderstanding of the legalities of shooting people that we aren’t even inhabiting the same reality. My reality is the one that the jury instructions will be issued from.

 

The short version is that in order to be justified in using lethal force against another human being, they need to be demonstrating the ability to seriously harm you, the opportunity to do so, and acting in a manner that a reasonable person would believe they are an immediate threat.

 

So no, you can’t just shoot somebody walking down the street in a Trump hat. That would be Murder. Or considering most liberals don’t understand basic marksmanship, more likely Attempted Murder. However, if somebody dressed entirely in Confederate flags walks up, screams DIE GAY ABORTION VEGAN and tries to stab you with his commemorative Heinrich Himmler SS dagger, it’s game on (don’t blame me, I’m basing this hypothetical scenario on what most of your facebook feeds sound like).

 

Go read that article. As a bonus once you understand how use of force laws actually work, you won’t be able to get as spun up with outrage over every shooting that makes the news.

 

 

 

LEARN HOW GUNS WORK

 

Now that you’ve decided that you should be able to protect yourself from sexist war bands, and you know the basics about when it’s okay to shoot people, you want to go get strapped. But hold your horses there, Che. Guns are tools, but they are also very unforgiving of stupidity, and the last thing I want to have happen is one of you liberals shoot somebody on accident, because then you’ll be trying to pass more laws to punish people like me. First you need to learn how to be safe.

 

Seek out your local gun range. Sadly, for those of you living in deep blue areas, this will be difficult because the politicians you have voted for have run off most of your local gun ranges. Now that you’re afraid the state can’t/won’t protect you, I hope you realize that was a bad call.

 

But if you do have one in driving distance, most ranges will have ads posted for upcoming basic classes. Contrary to what you’ve been told about the ultra evil National Rifle Association, the majority of what the NRA does is conduct basic safety training to keep newbies from shooting themselves in the foot. They will walk you through the fundamental rules of gun safety, mechanics, and storage.

 

Here is another mind blowing factoid for you liberals, the NRA was actually started by Union army officers to train recently freed blacks how to defend themselves from the Democrat KKK. The first gun control laws in America were racist in origin, and aimed at disarming “undesirables” like blacks or the Irish. So in that respect, not much has changed.

 

For those of you in the LGBTWTFBBQ community, in the aftermath of the Orlando Pulse nightclub shooting, a transsexual friend of mine started Operation Blazing Sword. https://www.facebook.com/OperationBlazingSword/ It is a network of firearms instructors across the country who are volunteering to help out gay and trans people who are new to guns learn about basic safety and firearms familiarization. I helped them get started. Check their map. They’ve probably got somebody near you willing to help.

 

If you haven’t blocked all of them yet for having dissenting opinions, you can ask your gun owning friends and family for advice. I would still recommend talking to actual experts though, just because we know what we’re doing, and we personally haven’t had to listen to you talk about how we’re all baby murdering psychopaths over Thanksgiving dinner. But if they love you, they’ll be happy to help you learn about how guns work. If you don’t have any friends who own guns, you may want to ask yourself how you live in such an echo chamber.

 

Again, most of what you’ve been told about the gun culture is a myth. We want you to be able to defend yourself, and we want you to be safe and responsible doing it.

 

 

HOW GUN LAWS WORK

 

Now it gets really complicated. And that’s entirely your fault. See, traditionally Democrats don’t like the 2nd Amendment and historically have done everything in their power to screw with it. Your gun laws are going to vary dramatically based upon where you live. It might be really difficult and expensive for you to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights, or it might be relatively easy.

 

But you’re scared right now! Well, that’s too bad. Because for the most part Democrats have tried to make it so that citizens have to abdicate their responsibilities and instead entrust that only state can defend everyone… That doesn’t seem like such a bright idea now that you don’t trust who is running the state, huh?

 

You might get attacked in your home, but let’s be realistic, you’re way more likely to be attacked out in public. Accordingly, democrats have made it way harder to have a gun where you are most likely to need it. If your state is red or purple, you probably have an inexpensive way to get a permit to carry a concealed weapon so that you can be armed everywhere. The bluer your state, the more unlikely/expensive that becomes, and in the most exclusive cities, unless you are a politician, movie star, or body guarding a politician or movie star, you are basically out of luck.

 

Oh yeah, it kind of goes without saying by this point, but most of what you think you know about what gun laws do is wrong. I know you think you’ve been helping with your demands to Do Something, but you aren’t. I wrote this article a few years ago in the aftermath of Sandy Hook. It is one of the most widely read articles on gun control laws ever written. http://monsterhunternation.com/2015/06/23/an-opinion-on-gun-control-repost/

 

I am a big fan of concealed carry, and if you are honestly worried about murderous racists being emboldened, then you should be too. If your state has a concealed weapons permit, I would recommend taking that class. Even if you are not personally ready to take that big step of actually keeping a firearm on your person, the class should provide a great primer on your state and local laws.

 

There are thousands of onerous little gun laws. I won’t overcomplicate this, but you guys have been sticking extra gun laws on the books all over the country at every opportunity. In your area you might not be able to buy certain guns, or you’ll have to lock them up in a specific manner, or you’ll have to register them with the state. (now that you’re worried about the state rounding you up, having a registry of which of you own guns seems kind of dumb huh?)

 

 

HOW TO BUY A GUN

 

Now that you understand basic safety and marksmanship, let’s get you armed.

 

Contrary to what Barack Obama told you, Glocks are not easier to get than books. Hell, I’ll trade an autographed copy of each of my published novels for a Glock if you’ve got any spares lying around.

 

If you haven’t completely alienated all of your pro-gun friends by blaming them for every mass murder that’s ever happened, now would be a great time to ask them to come shopping with you.

 

Find your local gun store. Go there. Ask the nice people behind the counter questions about what is the best gun for you needs. They are usually very helpful, however, don’t tell them that you are a liberal, because since you’ve previously tried to ban everything you’re now buying, they will probably laugh at you. That’s expected, because your people do kind of malign them constantly and have repeatedly tried to ruin their livelihood. Oh well, live and learn. You know better now.

 

Shockingly, you will quickly discover that the gun best suited for your home self-defense needs is probably one of the guns that the news would call “assault weapons”. In reality that’s a gibberish term to scare newbs, but remember, most of what you’ve been taught is complete bullshit. You want the best tool for the job. Yes. It looks scary. That’s kind of the point.

 

If you live in a place with concealed carry laws, you will probably want one of those deadly high capacity assault pistols too. In regular America we just call those handguns. Have the experts help pick one out that suits your lifestyle and manner of dress. Then make sure you get a good holster to carry it safely. Common newb mistake is to get a decent gun and a crap holster. Don’t do that.

 

Once you’ve picked your firearms, you will need to fill out a federal 4473 form, provide ID (gasp! Racist!), and the shop will call in your background check to make sure you aren’t a felon, illegal alien, or otherwise prohibited person. Since this check is computerized it only takes a few minutes.

 

Now that is how it works in most states. If you are lucky enough to live in a blue state liberal paradise, then you may have to deal with extra laws. Like mandatory waiting periods, special permits, or you’ve got to jump through a bunch of other onerous hoops before you are allowed to defend yourself… But hey, you voted for that. Suck it up, buttercup.

 

GET BETTER

 

Now you need to learn to shoot. It doesn’t work like the movies.

 

There are a lot of people out there who do what I used to do, so find the professional firearms instructors in your region and take some classes. Your local ranges and stores will know who is teaching or will have ads posted. A good instructor won’t just teach you how to hit the target, but will teach you basic tactics, and when/how to use your gun. I spent a big chunk of my time teaching people how to avoid fights and not make stupid decisions.

 

The more you shoot, the more you train, the more comfortable you will become. Your confidence will grow. If something awful happens you can be part of the solution instead of just another victim. You won’t rise to the occasion, you will default to your lowest level of training. So get trained.

 

Oh yeah, this training part gets expensive too. Government regulations have driven up the cost of ammunition. You get one guess which party is responsible for that. And around the blue cities you’ve closed all of your shooting ranges because guns are scary and loud (oh yeah, we could fix that, but Democrats made it illegal or really expensive to make guns quieter), so you’ll have to drive further in order to train. Let me check… Nope, I’m still fresh out of pity.

 

 

WHAT ABOUT DOOMSDAY?

 

Now the elephant in the room. I’ve seen a lot of you going on about how terrified you are for all your “marginalized” friends, that the government is going to turn tyrannical and genocidal, and murder them by the million. I don’t think that’s actually going to happen, but let’s say it did. We’re talking full on Gestapo Stasi jack boots and cattle car time. Bear with me through this hypothetical situation, that stuff about ability/opportunity/immediate threat is actually happening, but it is systematically being carried out by agents of the state against its own citizens. I’m talking war in the streets.

 

I keep seeing you guys saying that you’re going to “fight harder”. No offense, but bullshit. What are you going to do? Call more innocent bystanders racists? Post more articles from Salon even harder? Have a protest and burn your local CVS? Block more freeways with your bodies? Guess what. If the government has actually gone full tyrannical they’re just going to machinegun your dumbass in the street. They are going to drive through your roadblock, and your bodies will grease the treads of their tanks.

 

That’s what actual tyrants do. So despite your bitching, virtue signaling, and panic attacks, we’re a long way off of that.

 

There is a saying that has long been common in my half of the country. There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty, soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. You can debate, vote, and go to court in order to get things changed. You only go ammo box when those other things no longer work, because once you do, there is no going back.

 

God willing, America never gets to that point, because if we ever go to war with ourselves again, then it will be a blood bath the like of which the world has never seen. We have foolishly created a central government so incomprehensibly powerful, that to stop it from committing genocide would require millions of capable citizens to rise up and fight.

 

Congratulations. Now you understand why the Framers put the 2nd Amendment in there. It is the kill switch on the Republic, and everyone with a clue prays we never have to use it.

 

Right now you guys are angry and talking a lot of shit. This is all new to you. My side is the one with the guns, training, and the vast majority of the combat vets, and we really don’t want our government to get so out of control that this ever happens. Only fools wish for a revolution. But that big red button is still there in case of emergency because if a nation as powerful as America ever turned truly evil then the future is doomed. As Orwell said, if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever.

 

That’s the real meaning of the 2nd Amendment. So don’t screw around with it. If you do you’re no better than the fat wannabes running around the woods in their surplus camo and airsoft plate carriers… You don’t get that, but all my gun culture readers know exactly who I’m talking about. They are the morons CNN trots out whenever they need to paint all gun owners as irresponsible inbred redneck violent dupes for your benefit.

 

And spare me the typical talking points about how an AR-15 can’t fight tanks and drones… It’s way beyond the scope of this article, but you don’t have a flipping clue what you’re talking about. Every HuffPo guest columnist thinks they are Von Clauswitz. They aren’t.

 

This Doomsday option is something we never want to use, but which we need to maintain just in case. It is also another reason Hillary lost. One motivator for Americans to vote for Trump was that Hillary hates the 2nd Amendment. Her husband put the biggest gun ban we’ve ever had in place, and she has been exceedingly clear that she hates guns and would get rid of all of them if she could.

 

And doing that would push that big red button.

 

When the already super powerful government wants to make you even more powerless, that scares the crap out of regular Americans, but you guys have been all in favor of it. Take those nasty guns! Guns are scary and bad. Don’t you stupid rednecks know what’s good for you? The people should live at the whim of the state!

 

But now that the shoe is on the other foot, and somebody you distrust and fear is in charge for a change, the government having all sorts of unchecked power seems like a really bad idea, huh?

 

Absolute power in the hands of anyone should terrify you. The 2nd Amendment is there to make sure some of that power always remains in the hands of the people.

 

CONCLUSION

 

So that’s it. That’s how you go down the path of responsible gun ownership.

 

I don’t care how marginalized you think you are. Get armed. Get trained. Be prepared to defend yourself and your loved ones. That’s part of being a responsible adult.

 

And quit trying to disarm the rest of us.

 

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The guide is over. Quit reading if you are easily offended. I’ve already heard enough crying last week, I don’t need it in my blog comments.

 

Now, it’s my blog, I get to rant because I feel like it. As a personal favor in exchange for all this helpful free advice, quit friggin’ yelling at everybody. Damn, libs, people came to a different conclusion than you did, that doesn’t make them sexist, racist, homophobic, or evil. If you hadn’t let the DNC sabotage Bernie Sanders you’d probably be celebrating your victory today. You ran a hideous candidate. Get over yourself and quit blocking traffic. Protesting doesn’t give you the right to burn other people’s property, no matter how butt hurt you are. And just because you saw a picture of racist graffiti: A. For all you know it was put there by Shaun King’s lying ass to get his old job back. Or B. It was put there by an actual racist doofus, and you’re giving a dimwitted shitbag with a $3 can of spray paint power over your emotions. Random scumbags on the right always represent everybody you disagree with, but when an asshole from Black Lives Matters murders five cops or a Muslim blows somebody up they are anomalies and we shouldn’t paint with a broad brush—No shit, thanks Hypocrite-Einstein! People who know dick about the military sound like idiots when explaining to people who actually know how security clearances work how Hillary did no wrong, because we know we’d be in jail for far less. When he was leaking things that made Bush look bad you loved Julian Assange so hard that Benedict Cumberbatch played him in the movie. And no, people don’t want your kid/grandma to die, but Obamacare is taking another $300-$900 extra out of everybody’s pocket for crappier insurance and they’re broke and pissed. Madonna offering free blowjobs isn’t the incentive you’d think it is. Jerkoff celebrities saying they’d move if Trump won made me want to vote for him just to spite them and I can’t stand the man! Trump sucks, but everybody on your side is such a douche that it didn’t matter. This wasn’t some righteous battle between good and evil, it was choosing between brain or colon cancer. Hillary was a reptile piloting a lifelike human suit, with zero charisma, and entitlement issues, who got the candidate she wanted to run against the most and she STILL LOST. Get over it.

 

Whew…

 

And finally, don’t blame me. I voted for ice cream.

 

Peace out.

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[STANDING OVATION]

natewinchester
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Both to the ovation and post.

Scott Richardson
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Love it!

Tom
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Took me three attempts to get past “LGBTWTFBBQ” because I couldn’t see through the tears of laughter 😀

Mitzi
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Mitzi

Mmmm. BBQ………

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

Cook good BBQ, and I couldn’t care less about one’s sexual identity.
(of course, I really don’t care anyway, I just like good BBQ)

Beryl Turner
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Beryl Turner

Yes, sir. Good BBQ is a praise-worthy thing and should be celebrated.

Scott Hedrick
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Scott Hedrick

Have you noticed that the tolerant and diverse folks seem to leave the S out of that?

Beryl Turner
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Beryl Turner

That actually sounds like an event…if they were smart, they should copyright that and make it happen.

Nah…that would mean that they would have to eat meat, too. Not going to happen.

C.S.Gilmore
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C.S.Gilmore

[Slow clap building to thunderous applause]. Well said Larry, I hope you don’t mind if I go and share this over on my own blog, giving you full credit of course, just want it over their too, plus facebook.
Well said, I love how you gave them the directions needed while also not letting them off for making things so annoyingly difficult. Hopefully some people will get through the article without having an offence attack, and actually see a bit more of the real world they are living in.

C.S.Gilmore
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C.S.Gilmore

Bother, their instead of there. My bad, gotta remember to check my typing before clicking post.

Venant
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Venant

This should be the 17th writer essay in the New Yorker. I’m sure everyone is shocked that none of the other writers advocated that people arm themselves. Also, this was 100x more fun to read than Toni Morrison’s essay.

Radioactive
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Radioactive

the back of the corn flakes box is more fun to read than Toni Morrison.

Kevin Findley
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So were the prep instructions for my colonoscopy last month.

Tomyironmane
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Tomyironmane

As an added bonus, you can now say you have seen the world from a uniquely liberal point of view.

Dale Harlan
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This is the best blog that I’ve ever read. I love your work, fiction and nonfiction blogs.. thanks Larry !

Ray
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Ray

Nice, if unflinching guide. I just offered to show my liberal friends how to safely handle and store firearms. Reaction is split about 50/50 between ZOMG! YOU OWN GUNS?!?!?! and some mild interest. We’ll see how it shakes out.

Beryl Turner
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Beryl Turner

Yeah, I’m getting a lot of that too.

jungshin
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jungshin

Like fire extinguishers except for murderers is in the running for all time best line ever .

redvector1961
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redvector1961

My favorite is “I’m not victim blaming, I’m try to stop your stupid ass from getting hit by a bus.” I’m of the mind that a lot of liberals own guns but won’t admit it to the aforementioned “stupid ass” liberals to avoid being ostracized. And some Hollywood types have had firearms training with real guns for safety purposes and realisms sake, because a gun on a movie set can kill you just as dead as a gun in the real world. Just ask Brandon Lee.

Scott Hedrick
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Yeah. Some of the loudest voices against private gun ownership make their livings shooting guns in the movies- and are protected by private people with guns, which lets you know what they really think.

Penrod
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I recently realized there are a lot of gun owning liberals out there who utterly despise the private ownership of anything more martial than duck guns. They are called duck hunters. Not all duck hunters, to be sure, but a non-trivial percentage of duck hunters have made it very clear to me that anyone who thinks we have a constitutionally guaranteed right to actual weapons is a dangerous spittle spewing jerk. As in, to quote one of them who is also a gun dealer, we’re stupid wierdos who need to stop with “that Constitution bulls***.”

TheWriterInBlack
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Fudds.

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss

Well, those duck hunters are people to be avoided. Luckily, they’re easy to avoid, as duck hunting seems pretty boring to me.

Professor Headbutt
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The ILOH has a way with words. One might be tempted to think he was a real writer or something.

Robert
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Robert

Eh….it’s a bit ambiguous as to who is using the tool and who is being extinguished. I know which one Larry meant, but a less knowledgeable or charitable reader might not. That was my only major problem with the article.

Maybe a better way to phrase it would have been “Like a fire extinguisher, except you use it to put out murderers instead of fires”. It’s a bit clunkier, but less ambiguous…

paralleldino
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This is my fire extinguisher. This is my murderer extinguisher. I do everything I can to not be forced to use either one.

SPC Nuge
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SPC Nuge

Thanks Larry. I’m going to share this with my friends who are gripping right now. You make alot of sense. Volens et Potens

GWB
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What are they gripping? NVM, I doubt I want to know……. 😉

Mike W.
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Mike W.

Shaun King lie! He would never! /s

Great article Larry!

Marty Brown
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Marty Brown

Outstanding article! The idea of armed resistance to the government is scary for a good reason; scary, but necessary. The Second Amendment is the final safety valve for our society, after all other forms of resistance and avenues of change are exhausted. It is scary to think about a world where elected representatives become tyrants, but ignoring that possibility won’t make it go away. Many left leaning people should be reminded that armed resistance was a necessary part of securing union worker rights in America (Homestead Steel Strike). Armed private citizens were critical to protecting the rights of racial minorities… Read more »

Pkoning
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Pkoning

Re civil rights: excellent point. It’s described quite well in one of the chapters of Tonso’s excellent “The gun culture and its enemies” — by someone who was right in the middle of that effort and depended on his weapons every day for survival.

Scott Hedrick
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Scott Hedrick

I’ve had that discussion with so-called “civil rights advocates”. They are proud to stand up for civil rights, until I say I’m glad they support my civil right to own a gun, then they go off on a rant, and I laugh at their hypocrisy. They only advocate the rights they like, that gives them more power.

BigFire
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BigFire

Nice post. You’re not going to overcome decades of programming though. Gun == racists tool of the evil Republican. Guns magically shoots people.

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medicmsh

I’ve got a well-maintained lightly-used Glock 19 (upgraded to a 21) with spare mags; will swap for the complete autographed Correia hardcover collection any time! (Serious offer; it’d be a fair exchange of value in my opinion.)

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A conservative friend of mine who is not sticking her head up to be whack-a-moled just now would like to say, “THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS ARTICLE!!!”

Ben Smith
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Ben Smith

Well said, Larry! I will be sending this on to some friends of mine. Not sure if it’ll change their minds, but maybe it’ll at least get them to think. There are some introspective liberals out there, albeit in small numbers.

richard mcenroe
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richard mcenroe

I don’t know, Larry. I think maybe we should respect our Lefty neighbors’ advanced notions and compassionate spirits and encourage to stay disarmed. You know. For the children.

guest
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I must regretfully agree.

Given how many Leftists appear to be utterly losing their minds and making unambiguous threats of violence against people who disagree with them politically–Charles Walz, Paul Schrader, many others, and Google for their names if you don’t know what I’m talking about–I am of the opinion that if these people find firearms distasteful and do not wish to burden themselves with the responsibilities that go along with firearms ownership, who am I to try to convince them otherwise? In the meantime I think I need to go to the range again tomorrow…

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Wysiwyg Mtwzzyzx

Well, I think it self selecting for the misguided but rational, as opposed to the ‘hair on fire’ full emotional meltdown types. If they actually worked through the logic of ‘if Trump might be nascent Hitler, maybe guns aren’t inherently bad, and we need to be armed’, then there’s at least an ability to be rational and logical there- so there’s a glimmer of hope! Maybe they’ve just been simmering in the Lefty stew for long enough to start to pick up the flavor, but aren’t that at the core (yet). If they’re ‘hair on fire’ sorts yelling about ‘he’s… Read more »

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

A lot of what is going around about Bush, er, Trump=Hitler is Virtue Signaling plus a large dose of Fear Porn.

Guest
Guest
Guest

Larry should have probably included the advise to “never bring a tactical melon baller to a gun fight!”

TheWriterInBlack
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A lesson those on the left are just now learning (if it will stick):

Anything government can do for you, it can do to you.

TheWriterInBlack
Guest

A piece I wrote a while back on why those “evil black rifles” are arguably the best choice for home defense:

http://thewriterinblack.blogspot.com/2015/02/home-defense-firearms.html

Craig Black
Guest

Outstanding sir. well spoken. we should all post this in our social media today.

Laura Yingling
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Bravo

Jack Burton
Guest

Here is an article that takes perhaps a different look at the 2nd and the reason behind it.

“The Second Amendment as a Prophylactic”

http://www.myhightechsecurity.com/blog/the-second-amendment-as-a-prophylactic/

Rick Randall
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That’s long been basically the argument I’ve used.

“The Second Amendment exists primarily to ensure it is never needed, because would-be tyrants are deterred.”

Yu-Ain Gonnano
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Yu-Ain Gonnano

The power of the Sword of Damocles is that it hangs, not falls.

Wysiwyg Mtwzzyzx
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Wysiwyg Mtwzzyzx

Is that original? I save good quotes, and like to attribute them when possible.

The Phantom
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I actually went to the gun store today, for realz. I’m not a liberal, but I’m in Canada so I have to keep current on the constant rule changes. Discovered that if I want to buy a gun there’s a whole lot of brand new hoops I’m supposed to jump through. So just because I can, I’ll jump through them. If you want to buy a gun in Canada, any old kind of gun, I figure it’ll take about six months to a year of screwing around with classes and paperwork. Or, you can go see Guido downtown and he’ll… Read more »

Will
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Will

I live in Illinois. Its not nearly as hard as out of staters make it out to be. Preparation is the key. Yes, the FOID is a ridiculous idea, but it is the law, the application is online and lasts 10 years. Yes, waiting periods prevent an extremely small amount of domestic violence(the original stated purpose of them), but they are the law and living with them is part of preparation. As long as your address is not Cook County, Elgin or even worse Chicago, there is probably a shop or range within a few miles of your home. I… Read more »

C.S.Gilmore
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C.S.Gilmore

Not much luck with my sharing so far, apparently you are offensive to some people. 🙂

Brian
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Brian

Yep. Sensible. This advice should be freely spread whenever people get scared. Feel free to sprinkle it with liberal amounts of common sense as well.

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rd my initials
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rd my initials

About that Obamacare Expense?

That is $300 to $900 every MONTH,. For me, it is a policy that costs $15,000.00 a year and doesn’t do anything until I pay $5,000.00.

Twenty Thousand Dollars a year.
A new compact car. To replace the fifteen year old car.
A year’s tuition for my niece or nephew at the best state college.
Four individual week long vacations overseas.
A new kitchen, laundry room, and bathroom.
$200,000.00 in my retirement accounts when I retire in twenty years.

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Rebecca Hauptman

Have you considered doing a Healthshare? For two of us we pay $299/mo and have a $1000 deductible total, and then they pay 100% after that. We choose our own providers, there is no in network, etc. I use Liberty Healthshare (which I think is the best, but there are others as well).

Andrew Jones
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Andrew Jones

A 20k wall to climb over before leaving the corporate world and starting your own business or retiring.

Justin Watson
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Justin Watson

This essay (and a couple of your other pieces on gun control and the lunacy thereof + the Ikea shopping post from best of) were the gateway drug for my wife to start your novels. After reading this, then clicking through to some of the others, she told me to give her one of your books. I pulled the first Grimnoire book off the shelf and handed it to her.

Very cogent, thank you, Larry.

Lib
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Lib

This is one of the best things I ever read. If only they’d actually listen.

-Hillary voter, Literally Hillary

BBQ
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BBQ

Inflammatory, yes, but entertaining.. I enjoyed this article. As a “libtard” though, I must protest that not all “libtards” like me are against the 2nd amendment… just like all “rednecks” are “racists”… although I must say that my redneck relatives spend an uncomfortable amount of family time talking about “sand niggers”… maybe that’s just my family though. Politics in this nation are designed to divide us while both parties have the same goal of authoritarian power. Bernie, yes, was the only authentic human running. They could fix it… they could start talking more about gerrymandering and less about bathroom politics,… Read more »

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

The Democrats really need to take a good look at their primary process, and do a bit of house cleaning. They pretty much let Hillary get away with suppressing Bernie.

StevenC
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Yeah that was shitty to watch, the blue drones overruled us.

Julie Pascal
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Julie Pascal

They suppressed Bernie in the primaries but the fact that there were not other choices suggests someone made sure it happened that way. It wouldn’t need to be 14 or so like the Repubs started with but, you know… five?

gmmay
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gmmay

The problem is, can you name five Democrats for 2020?

They don’t have a very deep bench right now. I think Bernie supporters are self-deluded to think he could have won, and certifiably insane to be chanting Bernie 2020! already.

The only three that come to my mind immediately are, what, maybe Andrew Cuomo? Cory Booker? Antonio Villaraigosa?

Julie Pascal
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Julie Pascal

And you have to ask yourself why. Well, no you don’t *have* to, but I ask myself why… why no up and coming people? Why no one gathering any support in the last 8 years and setting up a run? In some sense it’s an indictment of Obama… like belonging to a church where no junior pastors are allowed to shine vs. one where producing new leaders is an important function. Why? Or have there been eight years of shutting all competition down because it’s Her turn? (And crazy grandpa didn’t get the memo… or having *no* other candidates would… Read more »

Beryl Turner
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Beryl Turner

Warren if you can convince her to run….

Julie Pascal
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Julie Pascal

There was some indication and expectation that she wanted to run this time. Why didn’t she?

Robin Munn
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Robin Munn

I think she didn’t want to go up against the Clinton machine. In 2020, that won’t be a factor.

gmmay
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gmmay

She’ll be 71 and the Bern will be 79. I think the Grim Reaper is going to be the biggest factor for most of the few names I’ve seen floated for the Democrats.

steveH
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steveH

Antony V.? That sounds like a desperation move (says old guy who grew un in L.A. County in the 50’s.)

richard mcenroe
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richard mcenroe

As of this morning, Governor Cuomo has more staff under indictment than Richard Nixon did.

Achillea
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Jim Webb was in the Dem primaries, too, but it was basically the Hillary Show. Sanders got noticed because he kept skittering around underfoot like a cockroach, but Webb pretty much sank without a trace.

gmmay
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gmmay

I hadn’t considered Webb, but he’s another one that’s getting up there in age. Of course, he’s not radically Leftwing, so it’s no wonder he disappeared from the primaries. For all their talk of youth, energy, and vibrancy, their slim pickins are old pickins.

jdgalt
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jdgalt

So do the Republicans. Both parties pretend to follow voters’ choices but are really run by insider cabals that you join by bringing in the biggest bag of money. The reason the Republicans have done so poorly of late is that their biggest money donors are elderly religious-right types, and they’re dying off and their kids don’t agree with their social conservatism. This process will likely take another decade or two to really run its course, but you can see what it will look like in today’s European conservative parties (which have long since abndoned opposition to gays or even… Read more »

gmmay
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gmmay

Not to defend the Republican Party, but the Republicans are enjoying historical majorities nationwide among the states and have recaptured the POTUS and legislature within 6 years. And that’s doing “poorly” as of late??

Robin Munn
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Robin Munn

Slight correction to your post: Bernie Sanders was the only authentic guy running on the Democrats’ side. Some of the Republican candidates, like Ben Carson, were authentic too. I didn’t want Carson to win the primary, because he’s too naive about politics and would have gotten smoked in the general election — but he is an authentic, genuine human being who says what he means, and I have a great deal of respect for him as a person (even though I disagree with a few of the policy positions he advocated, IIRC).

FeatherBlade
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FeatherBlade

Y’know… the problem with saying “So-and-so is a genuine human being” is that horrible, or shallow, or tyrranical people are also genuine human beings. Horrible, shallow tyrranical human beings, but human beings nonetheless. Don’t deny the full humanness of either human good or human evil.

Try “So-and-so is a good man with strong convictions” instead.
/nitpick

Alpheus
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Alpheus

Except for Hillary. She’s a lizard. A horrible, shallow, tyrranical space lizard. But everyone else, yeah, that’s true.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

I’m more inclined to think “Pod Person”

jdgalt
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jdgalt

To me, “not a genuine human being” doesn’t imply a non-person, just someone who isn’t genuine (meaning honest about his feelings and intentions).

I would rate most of this year’s candidates as genuine except Trump and Hillary. They just didn’t have the money to buy in to the DNC or RNC in-groups.

Earl
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I would have voted for ice cream, but being a fat white man, I am trying to change. I can’t spell all the nasty things they have been calling me lately. But then the weekend spent instructing at an Appleseed event was worthy. And I never asked their politics.

Scott Nicholson
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Contrary to popular belief and right-wing bloggers, not all “liberals” are afraid of guns or want to ban guns and there are plenty of liberal rednecks like me. Thanks for the info and the wake-up call, though.

Craig Reed
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Craig Reed
George Petricko
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George Petricko

Wonderful article!

Shooter McGavin
Guest

You seem like a condescending blowhard asshole. It hurts me, however, how right you are on so many points. I guess a broken clock is right twice a day, so that’s something. I’m going to rewrite your article (without credit) removing all of the chest beating, cock measuring and rhetorical bullcrap and post it to my constantly whiny, regrettably unarmed liberal friends.

Kevin Findley
Guest

This is a joke post right? You name yourself after a second rate golfer/villain from Happy Gilmore and then you accuse someone of being just like your screen name? HA!

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster

This is either a poorly executed parody, or the perfect illustration of the reason why Democrats keep losing elections. My advice is, either get better at writing parodies, or stop demonizing people for having different beliefs than you. Or perhaps both.

Robert Evans
Guest

“…hold your horses there, Ché.”

LOL. I’m not certain if your condescension in this essay was inadvertent because you can’t help yourself, or because you’re parodying the Libsplaining that the Left so often engages in when talking to the Right. I’m going with the latter. Whichever it was, I laughed my ass off.

Kristophr
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Kristophr

Something to wear when talking to an SJW wearing a Che shirt:
https://crypto.fashion/products/pinochet-face-mens-t-shirt

Bear
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Bear
Tirno
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When I finally get a .45 ACP barbeque gun, I’m getting “Murderer Extinguisher” inscribed on it.

Gilliagn
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Gilliagn

I suppose you could plagiarize Woody Guthrie and have “This Machine Kills Fascists” on it.

Kevin P.
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Kevin P.

Another great read, as always. Funny how many idiots there are that are completely unable to ponder the question “what if the shoe was on the other foot?” until something like Trump happens then it’s a full-on panic attack.

RDFox
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RDFox

“Contrary to what Barack Obama told you, Glocks are not easier to get than books. Hell, I’ll trade an autographed copy of each of my published novels for a Glock if you’ve got any spares lying around.”

Hmm. Makes me think of this picture, oddly: comment image *grin*

Colorado_Wellington
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The inventory guy is clearly a librarian. They learn in librarian schools that books can only be counted by whole numbers with a unit of measure “each”. Since nobody would order a 0.380 of a book he discounted the point as a typo and went with the most plausible integer.

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Doctor Locketopus
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Doctor Locketopus

“but when an asshole from Black Lives Matters murders five cops or a Muslim blows somebody up they are anomalies and we shouldn’t paint with a broad brush”

Having Lena Dunham call for the extinction of white men, then, rather than condemning her, Barack Obama actually sends his teenage daughter to intern with this crazy bigoted harridan? That’s another good one.

I know at least one reliable third-party voter who switched to Trump after seeing that. Because he has sons.

Eric Atkinson
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Thanks Larry. But don’t encourage them to much. I’m hopping prices will move downward.

David Lang
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David Lang

higher production volume drops prices (as would lowered regulations)

BigFire
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BigFire

All of the firearms company’s stock prices are down since the election. The justified fear of broad erosion of 2nd amendment right has sold more guns in America than anything else during Lord Obama’s reign. Now that we have another NRA member coming in as president, that fear is somewhat tempered.

Over here in California, no such relief. We now have to register to buy bullets.

Wysiwyg Mtwzzyzx
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Wysiwyg Mtwzzyzx

As a fellow Californian, I”m glad I have frequent occasion to visit Vegas- now I’ll have to pick up ammo every time.

Matthew
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Matthew

You know Larry, you really are quite the wordsmith. I agree whole heartedly with this article. Then, I’m over 60 and a history major. Grew up watching documentaries about the holocaust. I know the evil in men’s (peoples) hearts. Well, kind of. Haven’t experienced too much myself. I have however, observed more than I wanted to. The fact that the anti-gun crowd in now messing their pants doesn’t hurt me a bit. The politics of division that the Democrats have been playing for the last thirty or so years is coming back to haunt them. I wish I had more… Read more »

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

The essay I wish I had the skill to write. Beautiful!

Will Cruz
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Will Cruz

You are a bigger man than most I had seen post election. Unfortunately, your lessons will fall on deaf ears for most of the SJWs, snowflakes and ideologically indoctrinated rich idiots. The DNC could had run better candidate whose name is not Hillary or Bernie, but they did not because they drove them away. They are already doubling down on having Keith Ellison as DNC head so expect more of gun buying from us conservatives and libertarians since the DNC is committed on bringing and repeating Europe’s mistake to America. For the sane Democrats, this is a good post for… Read more »

fan
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fan

This is GREAT! BRILLIANT!!–and really needed to be said. I just hope that a lot of liberals read it.

You’ve done a real public service writing this. Now please go back to finishing the Siege book. Thank you.

Shadowdancer
Guest

Oh yeah, this training part gets expensive too. Government regulations have driven up the cost of ammunition. You get one guess which party is responsible for that. And around the blue cities you’ve closed all of your shooting ranges because guns are scary and loud (oh yeah, we could fix that, but Democrats made it illegal or really expensive to make guns quieter), so you’ll have to drive further in order to train. Let me check… Nope, I’m still fresh out of pity. Larry, I giggled my way through the essay, but that was the point where I had to… Read more »

Nomad
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Nomad

Btw, if anyone new is reading this deep into comments and have problems for funds, here is a tip for you to consider; You may be better off with a 357 magnum wheel gun (revolver) as your first buy. They aren’t flashy but they are reliable and relatively simple workhorses that allow you to train enough and still get adequate performance if you ever need to use it. Remember that the best gun is the one that you will use and train with. A fancy 5.7 with all the bits and bobs and attachments won’t help you one bit if… Read more »

Rick Randall
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Honestly, you can get a quality slide gun for less than a reliable revolver these days. Especially considering newbies *don’t know* what to look for in a used gun. (Seriously, they’re at a bigger disadvantage than an Amish farmer trying to evaluate whether a used airplane is a good buy. At least Mr. Yoder knows machinery.) I’m still kicking myself over not taking advantage of the buckets of S&W M64 and M10 revolvers we were blowing through our place when I was an Assistant Merchant of Death, back when all the cop shops were switching to semiauto. I could have… Read more »

Jake
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Jake

Reload. Yes it is a bit pricey to get started (a few hundred $$) but I pump out 9mm at around $.10/round (could be cheaper but I like my 147 grainers) and .45 acp @ around $.13/round. That’s .22 LR prices, if you can even find it.

airboy
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airboy

Larry:
I disagree. A 12 gage short barrel shotgun is better for home defense. This is especially true if you live in an apartment building with sheetrock & 2×4 walls.

But rifles are much better in a doomsday scenario.

Robert
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Robert

Any load out of a shotgun that will reliably stop an assailant will power through sheetrock without any issue. OTOH, a lightly constructed .223 bullet pushed to high velocity will tend to break up soon after hitting anything solid, limiting its penetration through buildings, while still being fairly effective against Thugy McThugerson.

jungshin
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jungshin

if it won’t go through sheetrock how do you expect it to stop a threat? if you wouldn’t hunt deer with it its likely not the best defense round you can carry.

MClark
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MClark

These guys actually shoot stuff through sheetrock to see what happens. Here is the write up about rifles and shotguns. http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-14-rifles-shotguns-and-walls/

Tom Claypoole
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Tom Claypoole

Larry, Awesome article. The only issue I have is the part about keeping guns out of the hands of crazy people. My concern is less about what you wrote and more about how its handled in the real world. I’m concerned more about process than product. My thoughts on this are not original, I am paraphrasing Trey Gowdy here. Can you name any other Constitutional right that can be taken away without going to a courtroom? It should require an action of Law to put you on the list. In other words, your craziness must be so apparent that the… Read more »

Chief Nick
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Well, after watching the riots of the last few days I’m not sure I want those Progressive Liberal Democrats (PLDs) to carry guns. I mean many are obviously not fit to own or carry a gun if they can’t be trusted to act grown up when their candidate loses the election. If those people had guns can you imagine what would be happening out there? Dead cops, dead people with Trump stickers or “Not Hillary” or “Hillary for Jail” stickers… I love your books but this is a little bit crazy given that they are so infantile over an election.… Read more »

Steve Thorn
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Mr. Correia, the first chance I get I want to shake your hand and buy you a cold ‘whatever you like to drink.’ A tremendous essay. Bravo, sir.

PavePusher
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PavePusher

>Begins slow clap while grinning in Privilege<

LarryArnold
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Robespierre’s Law: The power you give government to do unto others will be used to do unto you.

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster

You know, I was eating dinner at a restaurant a couple days ago, and my chair happened to be facing the bar. There was a news story on one of the TVs: some guy was holed up in his house with a rifle (which he used to shoot some people earlier), and the police had him surrounded (there was no sound, but the scene was clearly visible from the air). By the time I finished my meal, it was starting to look like the cops were losing their patience. I bet this guy was thinking of the exact scenario that… Read more »

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster

By the way, thanks for reminding me about the gun ranges. I live in the bluest of blue states, so I have to drive for almost 45 minutes to get to the closest one. I keep meaning to do that again, haven’t been there yet this year, and the year is almost over…

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

Funny how attitudes change. Back in the 80’s, when most guerrilla groups were leftist, the Left was ecstatic about the idea of the determined poor standing up to the evil might of first world hegemony. E.g., Ewoks vs the Empire.
Ponder Vietnam, Colombia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and other locations where the ill equipped are able to hold off mighty powers.
Note- Americans are every bit as tough and resilient as any Vietnamese or Afghani.

Robin Munn
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Robin Munn

Do you remember the riots in L.A. after the Rodney King beating? People were looting stores left and right… except, by and large, for the Korean-owned stores, of which there were plenty in the neighborhood. Why were the Korean-owned stores spared? Because on the roofs of the stores were the owner, or his friends and family, openly carrying rifles pointed in the general direction of the street. Your line about “I doubt the situation would be improved by handing out guns at the scene” is misreading Larry’s post completely. Larry isn’t talking about giving guns to the people who are… Read more »

60guilders
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60guilders

First, the 2nd Amendment is part of the reason why your next-to-last paragraph is true.
Second, LC addressed your first paragraph with the fat guy wannabes.
Third, do you actually know any cops? I do, and the lack of firearms training they have would make your hair curl. Most cops who are actually proficient with their firearms are also gun nuts.

gmmay
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gmmay

“Third, do you actually know any cops? I do, and the lack of firearms training they have would make your hair curl. Most cops who are actually proficient with their firearms are also gun nuts.” There was a phenomenal, mic-dropping comment over at Eric Raymond’s blog in his thread on Dilemmatizing the NRA, which addressed this at the end: “Cities would do better to cut WAY back on their landscaping budgets and shift that money to police training.” It never ceases to amaze me how many on the Left think that all police officers are weapons experts (hell, even proficient)… Read more »

TheWriterInBlack
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My twelve year old daughter shoots better than most cops I’ve seen–and the ones I’ve seen are the ones who actually spend at least some of their off duty time at the range, which is why I’ve seen them.

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster

I know only two cops. One of them had superb firearms training (though he’d been retired for a while when I met him). The other one is a rookie, but also a former Marine, so I think his training is at least decent.

That said, I’d fully expect cops to have a higher proportion of gun nuts among them than the general population; similarly, I’d expect software engineers to have a higher proportion of Lego nuts. People choose careers for a reason.

Robin Munn
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Robin Munn

It’s not the general population you should be comparing against, it’s the population of gun owners. Would cops include a higher proportion of gun enthusiasts than the general population? Probably. But that’s not what 60guilders is claiming. What he’s claiming — correct me if I’m wrong, 60guilders — is that the average level of firearm training found among cops is lower than the average level of firearm training found among the average gun owner. It only makes sense that a person who doesn’t own a gun would have little to no training — why would they ever seek out gun… Read more »

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster

Ok, I see what you’re saying, but I don’t think it makes sense to guess about statistics. Is there a way to quantify “firearms training” ? If so, there should probably exist some studies that we can use to compare the levels of training between cops and non-cop gun owners.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

Yes there is. If the department only requires an easy qualification course of fire, and the officer is only required to shoot 50 rounds a year, there’s a good chance you’re not going to get good shooters.
If a department requires a tough, timed qualification, and the officers are required to take multiple training classes per year, you will have better shooters on average.

60guilders
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60guilders

Essentially correct, yes. The supposedly “well-trained to take you down” elite who are going to crush anyone who dares stand in the way of the government’s tyrannical plans–aren’t as well-trained as the people they’re going to be taking down. And, to make matters worse, many of their best are going to know those people.
Actually, forget that. They’re going to BE those people.

gmmay
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gmmay

If you think people choose to be cops so they can shoot guns or because they like to shoot guns, then you suffer from more misconceptions than I thought.

Shadowdancer
Guest

This is what the raging Left misconceives as ‘reasonable discourse’ and ‘freedom of speech’ so why are you surprised?

https://twitter.com/AmmyTalk/status/800520250378764289

gmmay
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gmmay

You could try reading the post again, since you seem to have missed a few key points. Larry already addressed your effort to dismiss the idea that citizens can overthrow our government. Perhaps you’re unaware, but recently, some citizens have shown that human beings, have the ability and “determination” to kill cops if they really want to. Did you assess how many resources the cops had to divert to deal with one guy with a gun? Did you see how the Tsarnaev brothers shut down a major American city? It only takes a handful more people acting in this capacity,… Read more »

snelson134
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snelson134

Bugmaster, you (and any liberals) need to read this little article. https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/what-i-saw-at-the-coup/ Disregard the scenario. Here’s the key graph: “Dennis had always assumed that the combined might of our armed federal agents and their SWAT Teams, reinforced with local police and, if necessary, the National Guard or even the Army, could crush any conceivable right-wing reaction to his plan. But social network analysis couldn’t find snipers who were not part of any network. That’s when we began to hear of “The Militia of One.” In the end there were too many rifles, and too many willing shooters. A number that… Read more »

Andrew
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Andrew

Guns are expensive. One of the traits common to rioters is a failure to invest in the future, much less insure against unlikely, even if high impact, events. Each gun is several weekends of clubbing. A trip to the range is a bar crawl. Also, twelve guys with box cutters shut down the entire country. A few guys with a couple of pressure cookers shut down Boston. If even 1% of the people who take a deer in season decide they don’t really need their representatives any more it’s a nightmare bloodbath beyond all imagining. No one sane wants to… Read more »

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Olivia
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Olivia

I’m about as far left as a person can get and I love this. Although I may have been brainwashed by my conservative, gun loving neighbors.

Greg \"Blotto\" Garrett
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Greg \"Blotto\" Garrett

Another hit. I’ve forwarded this to my peeps , this (long-winded) preface: I really like Larry, and not just for his novels (I’m still stuck on his sophomore effort while I try to dig out of the perpetual mountain of news articles I’ve got tagged). I actually met him at a book signing here in Albuquerque, and he’s just a neat Sci-Fi geek who talked to the crowd for a good half hour about his plans for upcoming books. He’s also a former firearms instructor and gun store owner, and this season you can see him pop up on Midway… Read more »

Radioactive
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Radioactive

I elected not to vote, I find it only encourages the assholes., though in hind site ice cream may have been an option.

redleg
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redleg

[slow golf clap] reposted. Thank you Larry.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

Ah, the comments from Vile: “14) Could Correia be any more condescending? You’d figure writing about his favourite subject, guns, would make him sound more reasonable (hey, it works for Dave Freer), but no. Though he confirms that the ammosexual interpretation of the US second amendment is not about hunting and sport shooting (both of which are legitimate reasons for owning guns) nor about police/military, but about paranoia and the fantasy of shooting people they don’t like. Besides, while I’ve heard from a lot of people on the US left that they are scared, I haven’t seen anybody express the… Read more »

60guilders
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60guilders

I’m just going to handle that last one.
They did read the part where he said he didn’t vote for Trump, right?

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

Probably not. I expect that “Trump-voter” will become the Left’s new all-purpose insult to throw at everyone they disapprove of.

Shadowdancer
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Trump-voting cissexual Gamergater, prolly.

Patrick Chester
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Patrick Chester

They project their own reasons for having a gun upon those they call “ammosexuals” with a sneer that’s noticeable over text.

FeatherBlade
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FeatherBlade

Let’ s see

A woman desires to own a gun
The desire to own a gun expresses a desire to have a bigger … male member.
There fore, a woman desires to have a bigger male member.

Which makes her transgender and questioning her desire to own a gun or shaming her for it becomes a hate crime.

XD

Andrew Jones
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Andrew Jones

Well, which is it supposed to be? A: Trump is a fascist who will soon be in control of the most powerful surveillance and security apparatus known to man, along with a boat load of nukes. He’s going to round up people and put them in camps. Someone should stand against the tide of his madness! OR B: He’s not actually that bad and I’m mad enough about it to scream and yell, but really it’s not going to be so bad that I want to put my life or livelihood at risk. I’m going with… C: I’ve lived a… Read more »

Robin Munn
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Robin Munn

Sheesh, Aaron needs to learn about the law of the excluded middle. The Founders wanted both a citizen militia that could serve in times of war (they were against standing armies), and a safety valve so future generations could do what they did (rebel against an oppressive government) if necessary.

Robin Munn
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Robin Munn

That should have been “the fallacy of the excluded middle”.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

“Besides, while I’ve heard from a lot of people on the US left that they are scared, I haven’t seen anybody express the desire to buy a gun.”

Maybe she should be pointed in the direction of Moshe Feder. 😀

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

And two more: “Vicki Rosenzweig on November 15, 2016 at 6:10 pm said: Owning a gun won’t get me health insurance, or an abortion if I need one. Owning a gun won’t slow climate change or protect the water supply. Owning a gun won’t protect someone from being fired for being LGBT, or denied an apartment for being Black. Owning a gun won’t prevent a nuclear war. Owning a gun won’t feed a starving family. [I could make a longer list, but this subset is stressful enough.]” I find this one hilarious. and from “Lee”: “14) A day late and… Read more »

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss

Oh, that Lee is scary (and totally believable!)…put him at the top of the target list, Chris. 🙂

As for Vicki, if she owned a gun I suspect she could hold the abortion providers at gunpoint and force them to give her an abortion (why would she have to, don’t they do this by preference?), or force a grocery store to give her enough food to feed that starving family. You’d think she doesn’t understand how she might put that tool to work. Oh, wait…

FeatherBlade
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FeatherBlade

Owning a gun won’t feed a starving family.

Obviously she has never visited that magical land called “The Outdoors” where greater and lesser meat-filled creatures known as “Squirrels” or “Rabbits” or “Deer” live in numbers that could feed a starving family for… well… ever.

But only if one has the means to convert them from a fleeing creature to a stationary carcass.

Shadowdancer
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They’re the ones who think that meat magically appears in groceries, in neat plastic packages.

Doctor Locketopus
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Doctor Locketopus

Rozenzweig doesn’t understand that her team has gone from “minorities should be able to rent apartments, go to school, serve in the military, vote…” to “minorities should be able to force people to make them a cake”. The notion of relative harm is completely lost on them. Keeping someone from going to school causes them great damage (or did, back when you could count on the schools teaching them something useful), and there were often few, if any, alternatives. The harm caused by a bakery not making you a cake is both much smaller and much more avoidable. There was… Read more »

Shawna
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Shawna

All of the ‘won’t bake a gay wedding cake’ incidents that I’ve heard of were that they specifically wouldn’t bake a cake for a gay wedding, not that they would not serve gay customers. Those same gay people could have ordered a birthday cake and they’d have happily served them. They’re not discriminating against people. They’re choosing not to take part in an event that goes against their religious beliefs.

Cake14N
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Cake14N

This will now become required reading for all of the students that wish to take my CCW class.

Cake14N
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Cake14N

Forgot to add… stuck on Glocks only…how about a trade for a well kept, pampered, Ruger P94 with about 1500 rounds through it….

perturbed
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perturbed

You deny the true faith. S&W M&P FTW :p

(Only joking – whatever floats your boat is fine by me.)

Elements Rook
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Elements Rook

I can not express the amount of joy this article brings me. You see I’m mid course in getting re-certified as a less than lethal instructor for the left cost and as a LEO level armed instructor for 3 states (WA OR CA). As I live vaguely near Seattle, and the wife is proud of me she told a few of her friends. My email has blown up from cats I have not talked to in years (sigh). Some days it is hard being a ethical capitalist

Mike
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Mike

Thanks Larry. I’m not quite sharing this article with my many liberal friends but I’m certainly sharing the sentiment. I’m a gun-owning lefty (the kind that wants municipal confederalism – not the kind that wants to nationalize your toothbrush) and while I’m not calling for armed insurrection, this is the scariest political climate I’ve seen in a while. I have many QUILTBAG friends back in “progressive” “blue” Mass and one of them just had “f*g” scrawled on his car in permanent marker. This might be an entry-level hate crime but it was targeted and that’s a little scary. I hope… Read more »

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss

Let’s hope we get a AGW skeptic in charge of the EPA! (You won’t convince anyone who hasn’t swallowed the AGW kool-aid by using terms such as “denier,” which we all know is intended to cast us normal folks as equivalent to those who pretend the Holocaust didn’t happen.) As for the rest, if you’re interested in radically down-sizing the federal government, welcome aboard.

Mike
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Mike

Welp I guess we’re not on the same page about AGW. That’s too bad cause we share an atmosphere. Didn’t mean to use scare words tho – just meant it to describe the man’s position. As for radically downsizing the federal government, how radical are we talking? I think it might be terminally disfunctional (and maybe nation states in general don’t work as well as they used to?). I could imagine a future where the constituent nations of the US break apart and keep the federal government as a kind of drastically pared-back coordinating body where the interstate commerce clause… Read more »

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss

If by “constituent nations” you mean the states, you’re on the right track, just imagining the extreme case. Break apart? No, but returning to the states the authority and responsibility the Constitution has always said is theirs? Definitely. A full constitutional rewrite? Again, nope. The Constitution looks like a pretty well-written document as it stands, needing only a few amendments to make sure the federal government and the leftists aren’t able to completely ignore it and run roughshod over it.

Pkoning
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Pkoning

I’m not sure why anyone would quote David Duke for valid opinions on Steve Bannon, or anything else. If you’re interested in Steve Bannon’s background, I’d suggest this article instead: http://www.seraphicpress.com/the-dumb-of-all-fears-the-bannon-blood-libel/
Meanwhile, it’s good to see your support for the 10th Amendment. Please consider also the 9th. And especially Article 1 Section 8.

Guest
Guest
Guest

Lol @ protection from the government. How’s that ar vs a tank gonna work for ya?

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss

You show yourself to know nothing about military operations. As Larry said, you don’t shoot at a tank with a rifle, you use the rifle to ensure that the tanks can’t be maintained and resupplied.

Radioactive
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Radioactive

unless you like the sound of 5.56 pinging off the armor!

FeatherBlade
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FeatherBlade

Does the tone change depending on where on the armor your round hits?
.
Because I see a market for the next level in avant garde music

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss

But it’s not just the tone, you have to fire in a specific tempo and rhythm to get the desired effect. And if the target’s moving, you have to factor in time to target. It’s not a trivial exercise. 😀

Doctor Locketopus
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Doctor Locketopus

I’ll just leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNFlAzVhSVw

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss

How do we book them for parties?

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

A tank without supporting infantry is just a big target.
One of the best war time memoirs was written by paratrooper Don Burgett in his book “Seven Roads to Hell”, which covered his stint fighting in Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge. Note that lightly armed and poorly equipped paratroopers were able to hold out against German armor. How? You ride out the initial attack by the tanks, then attack the supporting infantry. Without infantry, the tanks will get scared and leave.

Andrew
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Andrew

Who’s going to shoot at a tank? No reason to do it. You could look at some numbers. I live in Texas, so let’s do that. Texas sold 1.2 million hunting licenses last year. I’m assuming this represents a group of able bodies people with some marksmanship and ready access to weapons. This is a fraction of the gun owning public. Let’s assume 1% of those people decide they’d like to term limit their representative, giving us 12,000 insurgents. To be brutally distasteful about it, this totals up to about 6 guys with rifles for each Congressman, Senator, State Senator… Read more »

SPQR
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SPQR

You have paid absolutely zero attention to recent world events, have you?

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

And here’s another factor to consider. The typical Democratic party administration isn’t exactly conducive to building up the necessary numbers of men and equipment needed to fight in a country with the size and population of the USA. A Hillary Clinton administration would find itself trying to fight the Second Civil War with two dozen tanks (half of which need repair), one F-35 that will be combat ready “any day now”, and soldiers who have spent so much time attending mandatory sensitivity training that they have never actually had time to learn how to use their weapons.

Andrew Jones
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Andrew Jones

I think you might be underestimating the hypothetical opponent, Joe in PNG. You may have heard the saying “bad money drives out good”. The same is true of organizations of all stripes, including PD and Armed Forces. The kind of officer that joins a department constantly subjected to creeping tyranny is very different than the kind we are generally used to. Same for armies.

Mandate the right regulations, and you can drive all the “good money” home. You don’t have to go looking for stormtroopers at that point. They’re all that signs up.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

Money, good or bad, is one thing that the military under a Hillary administration would not be getting.

TheWriterInBlack
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And all the “good troops”, officers and NCO’s who had enough and left? They’re now among the “military veterans” on the civilian side. They don’t just vanish.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

Thugs and psychos don’t often good soldiers make, and aren’t really all that reliable or loyal.

Andrew
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Andrew

I’m just trying to point out that the same thing that happened to the universities, charitable foundations, Hollywood and numerous other institutions could happen to the armed forces and police.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

Different skill and mindset. The skills and mindset that make one a good professor, foundation board member or actor does not convert into a good doorkicking faceshooter.

Andrew
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Andrew

Skills and mindset aren’t in question. In fact, I assume those with the most desirable mindset and best skills will be the ones who leave quickest. An example is in order. BLM and associated trends, combined with the imposition of onerous rules, created a morale problem for many urban PD’s. The word “exodus” is commonly used. Those that leave tend toward being the most disturbed by the trend, and the most able to resell their skills. Those that stay, are less likely to fall into this group. The officers that leave will be replaced. Those who hire on will, almost… Read more »

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

Andrew, I think we’re pretty much on the same page on this. That good troops have been forced out, and bad troops are replacing the good (especially in PD’s) is pretty evident. Miami in the 80’s saw this happen. Now, the question is would a theoretical Hillary administration have the equipment and trained personnel necessary to fight and win a second civil war, should it be inclined to institute one party rule via force. Probably not. The current level of equipment is too low, so she would have to commit to a massive build up- a thing that is anathema… Read more »

Andrew
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Andrew

A Hillary administration would have to occur within the next few years, and while I don’t thin she’d do such a thing, that kind of power play wouldn’t work. The ground work for it hasn’t been laid and the population of the security services is predisposed to dislike her personally. If the reasoning wasn’t good enough to prevent an insurgency with popular support, the security services wouldn’t cooperate. It would be messy and brutal, but it wouldn’t work. However, I wouldn’t underestimate the future. The threshold is generally the point at which “a good enough reason” will put a wedge… Read more »

Robin Munn
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Robin Munn

Andrew, There’s one factor you’re forgetting in your pessimistic analysis: And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on… Read more »

Andrew
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Andrew

No, that’s about how I think it would go. I just don’t think anyone tries to be a hard dictator until the security services will side with them. To me, it’s a prerequisite for an intentional tyrant.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

Agreed- to be a dictator you need a lot of people with guns willing to listen to what you say. As an aside, if the Secret Service begins acquiring armored divisions and fighter wings, we’re honestly in for a world of hurt. The Democrats aren’t exactly winning the hearts and minds of the people with guns. The children of Leftist aren’t really beating down the doors of the recruiting stations or police academies. One historical rule of thumb is that if a class or group in power refuses to serve in the armed forces, that group will not hold power… Read more »

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss

And an awful lot of us remember how to use that military equipment just fine…

Patrick Chester
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Patrick Chester

The Hungarians gave the Soviets fits, and the Soviets were external invaders.

For an civil war, they get a bit more vulnerable. Especially supply-wise.

Assuming you can get soldiers to obey orders to fire upon their fellow citizens. “Illegal orders” have a meaning, you might wish to look it up.

Patrick Chester
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Patrick Chester

For “a” civil war.

Figures. The edit option lasts 5 minutes and I don’t turn back to here until about 6 minutes after I posted.

steveH
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steveH

During the initial stages of the Hungarian uprising, the Soviet troops weren’t all that effective, and in some cases sided with the Hungarians. In one case, a tank commander retargeted his main gun on the local AVH offices. And fired it.

Things didn’t really turn around until the Soviets brought in troops from out of the area, who didn’t have any social ties with the locals.

gmmay
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gmmay

Oh, you’re clearly new to the internet. Please familiarize yourself with the 37,000 other times this argument has been shot down.

Kristophr
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Kristophr

Kinda hard to put down a civil war when your supply of munitions, fuel, and lefty supporters are getting shot up. And most of the folks making those three items are not on your side.

I can just imagine SJWs trying to run a refinery or ammo factory, while getting sniped at on the way to work.

Orvan Taurus
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Orvan Taurus

And all those people out in the boondocks maintaining pipelines, transmission lines, generating stations… what happens when some of them decide this particular switch or that particular valve should not be in the position it’s in any more? Not a shot fired, as such, but poof goes the supply chain.

TheWriterInBlack
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You’re just adorable. What is the government going to do with that tank? Run it through downtown Des Moines, leveling houses left and right because their are some insurgents in the city? The government didn’t have the will to do that in Falujah et all, you think they’re going to do it in CONUS? Do you have any idea how much support keeping a tank running and fighting takes? Where are those supplies going to come from? How secure are your supply lines from (in) CONUS when the fighting is in CONUS? Where do your tank crews sleep? Where do… Read more »

Richard McEnroe
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Richard McEnroe

Send the tanks. Then remember that scene where the Irish and Scots meet in Braveheart.

Retired Mustang
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Some terms/concepts, the definitions of which you might find useful: 1) non conventional warfare, 2) asymmetric warfare, and 3) 4th generation warfare. I also offer the following questions for your consideration. 1) What is the likelihood a significant number of military people (both former and current active duty) are politically aligned with gun owners? 2) What is the likelihood a number of those who are so aligned have training and real world experience in concepts 1-3, as well as training and building insurgencies? 3) What is the likelihood a significant number of LEOs are politically aligned with gun owners? 4)… Read more »

Sabrina Chase
Guest

There is a lot of good advice here. It was hard to read past the anger in your post, but I’m glad I did it. Now having done so, I’ll apply the good sense and good advice you shared. It would be great to learn more from you, especially in a more collegial atmosphere. Thank you.

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss

Hardly anger. Just irritation with the benighted idiocy of so many on the left, and their smugness in proclaiming and demonstrating that idiocy as if it put them on some high ground or other. It’s sort of like the old joke about playing chess with a pigeon: it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.

Radioactive
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Radioactive

pigeons are democrats? who knew

gmmay
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gmmay

You got anger out of that??

sabrinachase
Guest

Whaaa? I have an evil clone? (I am the real Sabrina Chase and I did not post the above nonsense. And Larry doesn’t do angry, he does gleeful amusement!)

Sabrina Chase
Guest
Sabrina Chase

You may be a Sabrina Chase, but so am I. 🙂

sabrinachase
Member

Ah, OK! Yes there are a few of us out there. I’ll be the Sabrina in the spacesuit, then. Just wanted to be clear who was who….since I have posted here before and there might be, you know, *confusion*.

Murgy
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Murgy

Isn’t it terrific when clones meet IRL? 😛 Spokeo thinks there’s 91 of you in your vat group. 😀
(It also thinks there’s over 200 in mine, and I know better!)

Colorado_Wellington
Member

It’s good I am not Sabrina Chase. That would be too much.

Shadowdancer
Guest

I’ve got you tagged in my head as “Sabrina the SPARTAN” because without zooming in, you look like you’re in in a MJOLNIR armor.

MojaveWolf
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MojaveWolf

Hilarious!!! Sent an email link last night to a friend of mine who’s also on the left side of the political spectrum and she also thought it was one of the funniest things she’d read in a long time.

Wyldkat
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Wyldkat

Very nice job. 🙂 Sharing this in my small circle.

Guess
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Guess

We should also add… That if a minority/LGBT/women, whatever, kills or injures a racist shitbag in self defense, and some idiot charges you with a crime, we recommend you screen for NRA members for the jury. We understand the meaning of self defense. We also have balls and have no problem voting not guilty if we are on a jury with 11 members of nazi party and they are threatening us. I am jewish . These racist shitbags hate me too. I would likely jury nullify any trial I was on if someone killed a nazi or kkk member for… Read more »

Mike
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Mike

Hi. I’m a leftist-ish person. I’m both trying to radicalize my liberal friends and find dialog with you conservative folks. More of this kind of rhetoric please. A lot of people are scared because these fascists seem to think this is their moment. A (gay) friend’s friend had his car vandalized with the word “F*G” after the election (probably just a jackass but a little scary nevertheless). Knowing that the other side will stand against fascism and for us (whatever our differences) could go a long way to finding some solidarity. Of course that’s assuming the frigging liberals can be… Read more »

mark
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mark

It would also help if the “frigging liberals” didn’t behave like fascists any time they gain a little power.

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster

I once asked a cop friend of mine what was the hardest assignment he’d ever been on — given that this is the guy who loves to tell tales of the days of his youth, when he was exchanging gunfire with gangbangers on the run, and trying to bean-bag hulked out druggies on PCP. He told me that the hardest thing he ever had to do was protect KKK members during one of their marches. They were surrounded by angry protesters on all sides, trying to bash the Klansmen’s hooded faces in, and it was this cop’s job to protect… Read more »

Khal Spencer
Guest

Well done. Thank you.

Joe Angulo
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Joe Angulo

I am pretty strongly Libertarian, *very* strongly pro-2nd Amendment, and Larry Correia is one of my favorite authors. With that said, I think that insulting your target audience is not a good way to establish/maintain an effective dialog. It is apparently a great way to get accolades from the people who already agree with you though, which makes me question if this was really targeted at liberals.

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss

In so far as leftists have no senses of humor, it probably wasn’t targeted at them. But sometimes you just have to be blunt with some folks to get their attention. Ever hear of a clue-by-4? And some folks can’t be talked to at all without insulting them. 🙂

2ndAmendman
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2ndAmendman

Great read, thanks for taking the time to give the libs some clear and concise information !

Josh
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Josh

I do like ice cream…

Brad
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Brad

You should be our president… lol

Johnny
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Johnny

One nit to pick. It is legal to shoot someone who poses a threat of bodily injury or death to someone other than yourself, say, your wife, child, mother in law. Ok, that last was a stretch.

Liam
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Liam

So, I live in California, and our gun laws suck and are getting suckier. I’m looking into getting a “featureless” AR. Do you have an opinion on the ARES SCR Generation 2? That’s the gun I’m thinking about getting at the moment.

JimA77
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JimA77

Wait until Kommiefornia actually settles on how sucky they make our lives. There may be another “bullet button” option rather than going featureless. We won’t know until Kamala Harris does her job before running off to Washington DC to replace Barbara “Botox” Boxer

junior
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junior

California has its own online gun community that makes it their business to figure out the local gun laws (state, county, and city) so that gun owners don’t busted for accidentally breaking the law. Any questions about guns in California should probably be directed to CalGuns

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/index.php

JimA77
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JimA77

Good answer. I spent last weekend at the CalGuns.net Super Secret Zombie Shoot 7.5 along with 2 to 3 hundred other gun owners. But CalGuns like everybody else is waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Moran Tactical
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Moran Tactical

Slow Clap.

Rick
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Rick

Damn. I’m both a combat vet and a liberal Democrat, and reading this just made me about pee on myself from laughing so hard; equal parts condescension and truth tends to make me stand up and cheer. HL Menken would be proud. Here’s my take on your piece: I truly doubt liberals are thinking of arming themselves based on the election results; it’s just not how they solve issues like this, and frankly, I don’t want them to: I can’t tell you how many times I’ve told them of my background in the service, and when the discussion turns to… Read more »

FeatherBlade
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FeatherBlade

I doubt that liberals are considering arming themselves either, On the other hand it is pleasing to have them in a headspace where they might finally finally understand why we have a Second Amendment and why conservatives and gun-owners object to all of the Leftist attempts to disarm the country. Something about “Nothing like an existential threat to focus one’s attention” even if the existential threat is made out of brain phantoms and is, quite frankly, self-inflicted. I have given the link to this article to a bunch of my liberal family, and offered to go shooting with them. I… Read more »

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss

At least they’ll be talking to you. 😉

Jace
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Jace

I think it may be prudent to point out that there is a question on form 4473 that some of the more hardcore lefties may have a problem with, especially after the latest election: Have you ever renounced your US citizenship?

RabidAlien
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RabidAlien

I’m not a combat vet (I had a brainfart and ended up volunteering for submarine duty), never had any law-enforcement training, and have only been able to afford the basic classes and far-too-far-apart trips to the range to get my CHL and keep my groups within the target I’m aiming at. I never claimed to be an instructor, but after the Pulse shooting, I volunteered with Blazing Sword. I can get someone to the point where they’ll not shoot their own foot off and can poke holes in a target at a distance, and will be bluntly honest with them… Read more »

Robin Munn
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Robin Munn

… it’s not my place to judge lifestyles, it’s my place to love my neighbor. Bingo. A gay man living a homosexual lifestyle is not any more of a sinner than, say, Newt Gingrich, who divorced his wife. In fact, I’d argue that Gingrich is far more of a sinner, because the gay man (assuming he’s not a Christian) does not believe the Bible has any authority over him, and so he’s not disobeying his conscience. Whereas Gingrich, who does profess to be a Christian*, knew that divorce is wrong** and that he was breaking the vows he had sworn… Read more »

Joe Lovell
Guest

Well said! You seemed to be channeling Judge Kozinski from the 9th Circuit. “The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed — where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem… Read more »

Mark
Guest

BRAVO ZULU!!!

Lisa
Guest
Lisa

It may surprise some of you , but some of us in tribe liberal understand the second amendment perfectly. That the gun, a well armed populace, is the last defence againat tyranny.
Personally I think liberals not having a gun are stupid. I think we should let people know that we have them, not to use against our fellow citizens, but we have them just in case.
I think too many on the right think liberals are wimpy cry babies. We are not the loudest among us, we have our own silent majority. And we have guns.

Peace out

Jon N.
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Jon N.

This is a step in the right direction, but if you accept that we liberals have been fed a lot of false information, then why not take the opportunity to reach out with good info in a tone of encouragement? When what you write is so laced with jabs, most liberals will read it as a not-so-thinly-veiled insult and move on. Maybe that’s what you’re going for, but it doesn’t seem so. I’ve piqued the interest in guns of quite a few leftist/gay/otherwise very liberal friends of mine who are now changing their tone about guns. I agree with everything… Read more »

Brian Niemeier
Guest

Do not miss the Facebook epicness involving a certain NY editor and the subject of this post now in progress : http://bit.ly/2fXFD4s

Doctor Locketopus
Guest
Doctor Locketopus

Now Moshe Feder is giving people advice on what kind of gun to buy on Facebook.

Of course, the “advice” he’s dispensing would likely get him and his advisees arrested, given that most of them live in areas where Mere Peons aren’t allowed to own those guns.

Someone has already linked this post over there, and yes, Gersh Kuntzman’s “PTSD” has already been mentioned. 🙂

Shadowdancer
Guest

*howling with laughter*

Thanks so much for sharing that tidbit.

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matt
Guest

Nice article. More gun owners the better. Left? Right? as long as we can get them, I don’t care.

ripshin
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ripshin

Larry,

Fantastic. Thanks for continuing to inject your experience and knowledge into this debate. On a related note, National Review has an interesting take-down (fisking ?) of the recent JAMA paper on Florida’s Stand Your Ground Laws. I think you might find it interesting. See here: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442217/guns-stand-your-ground-law-journal-american-medical-association-study-fatally-flawed

Thanks again.

rip

Janir
Guest

Larry , as a Wisconinite, Somnambulant, Wisconsin is Madison, WI…

Jake
Guest
Jake

It is truly a strange place. Glad I fled north.

Cadeyrn
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Cadeyrn

So I was sitting at work wondering: should I read the comments? What are the chances that some liberal crybaby literally loses their sh!t and has e-diarrhea all over the place? Do I have the self-control to prevent maniacal laughter from bursting out and confusing everyone at the office as to why the boss has gone from grim and somber to lunatic?

I read the comments before everyone else got here. It was totally worth it.

Mr. C – for your next bit are you going to write a post about trigger warnings and going hot: a guide to good range etiquette?

Max
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Max

How incredibly condescending.

This smug shit is just like what liberals do about everything, but instead of it being about speech, it’s about guns.

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster

I’m the token liberal here, and I believe that free speech the most important thing there is — which makes it more important than guns (by definition of the word “most”). Make of this what you will.

Radioactive
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Radioactive

except this is not a zero sum game where I have to prioritize my rights to meet your expectations of what’s THE MOST IMPORTANT, esp. if I’d rather shoot than talk (thank you Mr. Eastwood)

mark
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mark

The 2nd guarantees the 1st. To paraphrase a t-shirt (that I sadly did not buy):
“I’ll gladly give up my 1st amendment rights for the 2nd.”

“Then I’ll use my guns to take back the 1st!”

Julie Pascal
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Julie Pascal

I think that the rights are all co-occuring. (Not *dependent*, exactly, but evident.) The 2nd stands as a testament to an *existing* truth… that we’re citizens rather than subjects. We’re contributors to the safety and stability of our society and nation rather than threats. We are trustworthy. The 1st stands as a testament to an *existing* truth… that citizens can be expected *themselves* to judge the speech of others and can be trusted with freedom, trusted with information, and trusted with ideas. Any attack on any area of freedom, to carry weapons, to speak, to worship, to vote, to be… Read more »

Beardfacewood
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I notice you didn’t mention zombies, so I have to say I think that’s a bit of a copout. I can’t stand your fiddly gun laws. Lucky for me I don’t live in the USA. Enjoy your mess.

“Go ahead. Load up n shoot.” Clint Eastwood.

Amen.

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss

Just stand still, or maintain a steady pace, so as not to make the aiming too difficult…

mark
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mark

Well, he was talking about lefties. So Zombie was implied.

Radioactive
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Radioactive

zombies would be an improvement…

Shade
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Shade

I’m a bleeding-heart liberal for most causes, and have always been pro-gun. I don’t see why the two are mutually exclusive and believe it’s a false dichotomy. What I do hate is how many people don’t understand gun SAFETY. I’ve taken multiple NRA gun safety classes. Could there be some kind of mandatory (everyone in high school?) basic gun safety classes without infringing on the 2nd amendment or other people’s rights? Even if you don’t own a gun, shouldn’t you know how they work and how to not accidentally shoot someone? How to keep them out of the hands of… Read more »

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss

Those classes did exist in high schools (at least in rural PA where I grew up) as part of the PE and health program. Your lot got them eliminated.

FeatherBlade
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FeatherBlade

In Idaho too.

Now, non-ROTC students can’t even use the University’s rifle range.

ravenshrike
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ravenshrike

My high school had a pistol range in the basement, which when built was shared between the high school for certain classes and the local PD.

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster

Personally, I’d like to see guns treated the same way as cars. If you want to operate a gun, you have to take a mandatory training course, followed by both written and practical exams (with the emphasis on safety, not just hitting targets). You have to pass a background check (*), and you have to get re-certified every few years, to make sure that you are still mentally and physically capable of operating a gun safely. All of the above grants you a license to own and operate a basic everyday gun — e.g. a pistol. If you want to… Read more »

Robert
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Robert

Personally, I’d like to see guns treated the same way as cars. Sure, lets regulate guns just like cars. After all, you don’t need a background check to own a car. You don’t need a license or registration to own a car if you don’t drive it on public roads. You don’t need to be an adult to buy a car. If you do have a license and registration, you can drive your car in public in any state in the union. So that would mean I don’t need a license to own a gun, just to carry one in… Read more »

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster

See my reply to TheWriterInBlack, below.

Regarding deer/sniper rifles specifically, this brings up a question: what do you want to do with your gun ? If you want to prevent an armed attacker from entering your house, then you don’t need a weapon that can accurately hit a target a kilometer away. If you want to hunt deer, then you need to apply for a more specialized license (by analogy, class C driver license vs. class B), and this will require more specialized training. If you want to assassinate President Trump, then maybe you shouldn’t have that gun, after all.

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss

Umm…bull. Your analogy is breaking down, big-time.

TheWriterInBlack
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You know Indiana is quite restrictive in what can be used to hunt deer. Shotgun loaded with slugs or “pistol caliber rifles”, where the rounds fall within certain size limits (.44 Magnum is popular) or handgun (again, with certain size limits). Oh, and 5.56 NATO (AR15) is not considered powerful enough for deer. Too wimpy to be a reliable, and humane stopper. For squirrel, however, you can use anything, anything at all. .50 BMG? Perfectly legal. .577 Tyrannosaur? Yep. 22 mm Lahti? So long as you have the BATF license for the “destructive device” go for it. Mind you, everybody… Read more »

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster

Right, when I said, “if you want to hunt deer, then you need to apply for a more specialized license…”, I meant, “this is an illustration of my proposal”, not “this is how I believe the system functions now”. Hence my next statement about class B vs. class C driver licenses. Sorry for the confusion — although, it seems like Indiana’s regulations are already close to something like this; so, do you believe that Indiana’s laws are too restrictive ?

TheWriterInBlack
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And now you’re going with the “need” requirement that further undermines your BS “license guns like cars” for which, surprise surprise, there is no need requirement. If I want to buy a Semi-Tractor and use it for my commute to work (provided I get the appropriate license for that size vehicle–not a CDL because I’m not proposing commercial driving) that would be my business, not yours. If I wanted to drive it around my back forty (if I had a back forty? Hey Larry, could I drive it around Yard Moose Mountain?) that would be my business. “Need” requirements are… Read more »

Shadowdancer
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No. I’m in Australia. Those limits already apply. Folks here might think that’s ‘sensible’ but we also aren’t allowed to use firearms for self defense as a reason for purchasing a weapon. In fact, even citing it ever will likely disqualify you nationwide for it. So no, the ‘reason-based need’ is bullshit. I am told that it is POSSIBLE to get a conceal carry for self defense permit here, but YOU have to prove to SOMEONE ELSE’S satisfaction that YES YOU NEED IT. Someone else who isn’t in your situation. Someone else who isn’t likely to be there with you… Read more »

TheWriterInBlack
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Ah, the old “License guns like cars” canard. I’ll take that over the current situation right. this. instant. It would be an unqualified win for gun owners. License only required for operating (shooting) gun on public streets. No license required for ownership purchase. No license required for transporting/carrying on the public streets. No background check for purchase. No Federal license required to be in the business of selling or manufacture. Licenses available at 16, “Use with supervision” training licenses available even younger in some states”. Licenses recognized in all States and most foreign nations. No license required for use on… Read more »

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster

FWIW, I explicitly added the background check provision in my original post, and explicitly mentioned that, yes, this would be more restrictive than car regulations. I would also argue that the “license required for shooting only on public streets” doesn’t make much sense: when I fire a bullet from my front porch, it could hit your house all the way across the street. Presumably, you wouldn’t want that to happen. I’m also not sure about gun licenses being available at 16, but that’s because I’m not sure that car licenses should be available at 16, either. As far as I… Read more »

TheWriterInBlack
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“and explicitly mentioned that, yes, this would be more restrictive than car regulations” IOW, that you knew the comparison was bogus from the start. When you made the “license guns like cars” comparison you didn’t mean it. “when I fire a bullet from my front porch, it could hit your house all the way across the street.” And if you’re driving a car on private property you could cross into a public sidewalk and mow down a troop of girl scouts. In both cases we already have laws against reckless endangerment and negligence. So, again, you didn’t mean it with… Read more »

Patrick Chester
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Patrick Chester

I always find the “primary purpose” argument to be a bit ignorant. Are people killed by devices whose “primary purpose” is not to kill things somehow less dead?

“Oh gosh, someone hit by a truck and killed! At least it wasn’t by someone using a gun! That would be SO much worse since a gun’s ‘primary purpose’ is to kill someone!”

It’s also emotive in nature. It implies that it is never good to kill someone. Sorry, but a would-be rapist or mugger or a murderer killed before they can complete their crime sounds like a net good to me.

Feather Blade
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Feather Blade

I’m not sure that car licenses should be available at 16, either. This will go off topic, probably, but… The safe operation of a car is primarily dependent on learned reflexes, not on the age of the driver (pace insurance actuaries). If a person starts driving a car at 15, then that gives them three more years of experience at driving a car than someone who starts driving a car at age 18. For the sake of argument, let us assume that both teenage drivers exhibit care and caution in their driving. The 18 year old with 3 years’ experience… Read more »

Vatertortuga
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Problem with that is the 2nd Amendment. Gun ownership is a Constitutional right as opposed to a privilege.

Retired Mustang
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My experience has been that most people who suggest treating guns and gun owners the way we treat cars and drivers is not really a serious proposal. At some point, every such person I’ve talked to who has suggested such a thing has defaulted to a “but guns are different so I don’t really mean it” position. Here’s why: – Registration, licensing and insurance requirements are regulated by each state, not the federal government. – Licenses are granted based upon meeting very minimal requirements on a “shall issue” basis. – There is no requirement to demonstrate “need”. – A licensed… Read more »

Shadowdancer
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*grin* thanks very much for that handy list. I’ll send it to my hubby; he gets into a lot of these discussions, and we’re in Australia. Though, some of the things might not hold true here, but I’m sure he can adapt it.

Tom Claypoole
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Tom Claypoole

Not only no but hell no. Last I checked I have a Constitutional right to own a gun. I have never seen one about driving a car. You are comparing apples and oranges here. What you are essentially saying is that I have to ask the government’s permission in order to have the ability to exercise the right to remove said government.

Zsuzsa
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Zsuzsa

In general, the kids of people with legal firearms are far less likely to shoot another kid with a gun they found lying around than kids who don’t come from gun owning families. The gun nuts’ kids have seen firearms in action and know these are dangerous; the other kids have only seen them on TV where, whether because of dramatic licence or ignorance, guns are usually portrayed as far less deadly than they actually are (see the X-Files episode where Scully shoots a crazed Mulder, and Mulder is perfectly fine in the next scene except for a bandage on… Read more »

TheWriterInBlack
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“Stop. Don’t touch. Leave the area. Tell an adult.” Eddie Eagle

From the “evil” NRA.

TheWriterInBlack
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And Athena knew Cooper’s four rules of safe gun handling from about the age of 5, and was required to follow them even with toy guns.

BigFire
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I used to work with this guy from Oklahoma (and formerly Miami Dolphin linebacker) who said this about gun control that I still quote to this day: gun control is about how to hold your gun.

Lawson
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Lawson

Ya know I pretty much said this on the post where you mentioned the relief of the election being over. I also mentioned it on twitter on the #iamstillher but my account got suspended. Thems the breaks. Grant it my twitter post was “To you #Iamstillwithher pansies that afraid of government tyranny now, guess what the second amendment was for? Retards”.

Radioactive
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Radioactive

unfair comparison from the retard point of view…

Russ
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Russ

Awesome post!

William Foster
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William Foster

As if I needed another reason to be a devoted fan….great oration. I started to conceal carry when I came home from mid-tour from Afghanistan. It became the first weapon I ever personally owned. I felt naked having been in a situation where I virtually slept with a weapon to nothing was intolerable. My wife and two sons have gone through a basic course and we go to the range as a family event. PLEASE keep up your thoughtful comments. They gave me hope (and a smile) after a very trying week of reading absurdity on facebook.

Mike
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Mike

Nicely done!

Doctor Locketopus
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Doctor Locketopus

Oh, God. Now Frau Buhlert (whinny!) is lecturing about how civilized and non-violent the German police are. A person with any class would probably wait until the victims of the Gestapo and Stasi had passed from living memory before doing that. Your country murdered millions of its own citizens, dear Cora. Millions. Half of your country was a Communist slave state until 1990. Getting a lecture from a German about the proper organization of police is like getting a lecture from a Frenchman about how to set up a republic. They’re so much better at it, you see, given that… Read more »

60guilders
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60guilders

Also, side note. I’ve talked with people who’ve had run-ins with German cops.
Long story short, Buhlert’s got no clue what she’s talking about. As per usual.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

As per the old joke that in Heaven, the cops are Brits, while in Hell, they’re German

Robin Munn
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Robin Munn

You get a +1 for the “(whinny!)” line alone. Bravo, good sir.

Jay B
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