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Sad Puppies Update: Don’t forget to vote

For once I agree with GRRM. Everybody should vote. The deadline is coming up fast.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jul/20/george-rr-martin-hugo-awards-vote-game-of-thrones-science-fiction?CMP=share_btn_fb

 

Since we wrote a novella worth of giant blog posts back and forth, GRRM knows damned good and well the Sad Puppies campaign wasn’t motivated by racism or sexism, but that doesn’t stop him from casually tossing the “neo-nazi” accusation out there… but you should believe him when he says there was like totally never any political bias in the system. 🙂

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Keith Glass
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Ah, yes, are we Trufans ? Got to love the “no true Scotsman” fallacy. .

preorder
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If you were to believe some Internet sources, only sixty-something filking manchildren with way too much time on their hands qualify as true fans.

pissed off
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I am so sick of this already. I am poor and can’t afford to vote in the Hugos, but this constant harassment is really pissing me off. I’m tempted to go ahead and buy a membership I can’t afford just to spite them. Seriously, screw them! I’m a true fan, and as far as I’m concerned I’ve been a truer fan of sci-fi and fantasy than they’ve ever been ever since my dad first introduced me to Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, and Buck Rogers. Ever since I first picked up The Prydain Chronicles and couldn’t put them down, and followed… Read more »
Feather Blade
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40 bucks for a supporting membership. Set by $2 per week and you’ll have plenty in time to vote next year.

jic
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Isn’t it going up to $60 next year?

SJW75126
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You can vote in the Goodreads Choice Awards for free. However, it is probably too big to be freeped. Still – I find that one more interesting. The Hugos seem like a party. I might pay money to go to the show but I wouldn’t travel for it. Lots of people have there own little parties. Gun shows may be like that. I have my own party I like to go to with writers and speakers and things of that nature but it isn’t the Hugos. That one cost more than $40 and I do travel for it.
BornLib
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$50 for a MidAmeriCon II / WorldCon 74 supporting membership.

Reality Observer
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I managed to scrape up the $40 (and somewhat regretted it in the next month’s budget). Just because, like you, I am pissed off. I will vote – after reading all of the works. Right now, I’ll most likely be crucified by the Chorfs and pissed on by (some) Puppies, because I am doing it very honestly. (There is a difference there, think about it…) I’m not reading the Chorfs, though. I don’t want to be pushed into voting politically – because they would lose, and lose badly. I do wonder whether that will be the result, and what they… Read more »
rocinante
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Why not apply for one of the “scholarships” the CHORFs are offering? 🙂

SJW75126
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No way I am forking over 40 bucks to participate in an internet culture war dressed up as pursuit of SF award quality. If I want to fork over money for politics I will wait for Hillary to win her award. Amen?

Joe in PNG
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Depends if she takes what’s behind Door #1, #2, or the curtain.

Doug Loss
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You mean the orange jumpsuit?

SJW75126
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I am thinking of the nomination. Seems a better use of 40 bucks when it is time for the main event. But hey if you guys get a thrill out of going after the SF establishment – go get em. I am content to leave them undefended. I did read GRRM article and while it seems straight forward enough, I will have to decline his request to participate. Even if I thought the Hugos were in danger of a right wing take-over – so what? There are more prestigious awards with lots more fan participation. And I notice Scalzi isn’t… Read more »
Wild Ape
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I’m nominating the Clinton Foundation’s tax return for the 2015 fantasy novella. It even has two real dinosaurs in it.

SJW75126
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Larry may be an accountant, but I suspect he didn’t do any 990 work. Even so he should have some passing familiarity with the form – enough to know how boring 990s are. So you might asking him about the wisdom of that nomination. But the good thing is – it is free. Anyone can see the Clinton Foundation tax return. Like many nonprofits, they list them on the website. So that’s good. You won’t have to wait for the packet and free is always nice. Now from what I hear the short fiction nominations are not very good. I… Read more »
Dave W.
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You lost me at “short fiction nominations not very good”. John C Wright? Tom Kratman? Lou Antonelli? Not very good? Yeahhhhhh, right.

Nice screenname.

Brian Niemeier
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“…that doesn’t stop him from casually tossing the “neo-nazi” accusation out there…”

We all paid our $40. That means SP votes are as valid as CHORF votes. Everything else is just window dressing.

SlimTim
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To be fair to GRRM the guardian quotes him like this: “Who are all these new supporting members? Are they trufans rallying to the defense of one of our field’s oldest and most cherished institutions?” he asked. “Are these the neo-Nazis and rightwing reactionaries we have been warned of? The truth is … no one knows … All I know for sure is that every vote will count … Let this be fandom’s finest hour. Vote.” This is the full paragraph from his blog: Who are all these new Supporting Members? Are they trufans rallying to the defense of one… Read more »
PavePusher
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The word you are avoiding is ‘insinuation’.

Jordan S. Bassior
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And what is George R. R. Martin? Is he a famous and successful fantasy writer? Or is he secretly a child molester who drowns kittens in his bathtub for amusement?

The technique can be used on anyone. By anyone. Only idiots fall for it, but it’s easy to use.

Also, has George R. R. Martin stopped planting terrorist bombs in orphanages? (The “Have you stopped beating your wife?” question format).

Again, easy to use. 😀

Rez
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Q: “Have you stopped beating your wife?”

Correct answer: “Which one?”

James May
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I just realized the social justice crusaders remind me of the cast of Happy Days if the cast were creepy racists and perverted sexual supremacists. Martin’s the owner of the diner. Altogether, a real hep crew.

Fruitbat44
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A newspaper using selective quotation? I’m shocked I tell you! Shocked!

“Are they trufans rallying to the defense of one of our field’s oldest and most cherished institutions?” he asked. “Are those SJWs and ASPs and CHORFs turning out by the hundreds and the thousands?”

-shrug-

SJW75126
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If the collar fits, bark – yes?

Joe in PNG
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Depends on the tree, the type of bark, and the diameter of the trunk.
Some bark you could get a collar around, while other trees have a smooth bark that would make the process difficult.

perlhaqr
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This. I’m going to be forcibly pollyannaish, and give GRRM the benefit of the doubt that after bitching about “CHORF”, he’s not going to stoop to actively calling us “Neo-Nazis”.

Kendall Varnell
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Wyrdbard
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Must read faster!

Reality Observer
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Thank Ghu – I’m not the only one behind the curve…

Of course, I made the mistake of doing the graphic category first – that took three days of brain bleach to remove.

rocinante
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Use your vote wisely! The Australian Bass-Ackwards Least-Hated voting rules (or whatever they call them) can be tricky.
http://theweaselking.livejournal.com/4574210.html?nojs=1

WyrdBard
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I’m saving that one for last. Getting everything else sorted out. The novels are taking a while. There are two I get the same reaction I get to Pratchett or Douglas Adams. Great books, but I can only take so much at a time due to some style elements. They keep pulling me back so I’ve taken to alternating between them. Good writing indicator: I keep wanting to know what happens next even if I can’t take the story in large chunks.

Dave W.
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Dissembling like this is exactly what I’ve come to expect from George Rape Rape Martin. Don’t worry, Rape Rape, I won’t forget to vote. I can guarantee you won’t like what I vote for, though.

CPE Gaebler
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As much as I normally avoid childish name taunts, that made me giddy. I’ve read some of his short works too, and the topic comes up too often for comfort. And too explicitly. That, and there is rarely anything like a healthy romance.

Dave W.
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Gah, forgot to add the subscription. *added*

Wyrdbard
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You and me both.

Alex
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Takes a lot of chutzpah (and no small lack of self-awareness) to call someone a neo-Nazi on the one hand, then deplore that person’s alleged use of epithets on the other.

Just goes to show that self-proclaimed “moderate” leftists are SJWs under the thin veneer…

Mike
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Voted. I kept GRRM’s posts in mind when I voted. Perhaps not the way he would have liked, but I was definitely influenced by him. He and Scalzi are actually the ones that got me off my butt to buy a membership and upvote some of the SP slate. Oddly, I didn’t blank check the whole thing – sorta breaks their narrative of Wendell’s private army of drones doing as he commands, goosestepping along with perfect synchronicity.

Matthew
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Wait – Wendell *doesn’t* have a private army of drones?

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

Disappointing.

Zsuzsa
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Oh, he does. He has all kinds of robotic death-machines capable of raining down death on the enemies of manatee-kind.

We’re just not them. The Sad Puppies are Wendell’s allies, not his mindless slaves.

Bruce
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But…but…I’m not one of his mindless slaves? OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH! Now I have to find a different way to explain away the voices… 🙂

mousekt
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It was Kevin Standlee that got me to buy the membership and vote (not that I’ve voted yet, I still have a couple of stories to read…). It was just so frustrating seeing someone so upset by new people joining the club, that I decided maybe I should jump in and try to reform the Hugos. Fact is, whenever I see I book with an award, I assume it’s a soap box for the author, and probably poorly written, but I would REALLY like to see that change, and actually be part of something that I can point out to… Read more »
TallDave
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Voted.

Dr. Mauser
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Latest but of crazy I saw was someone saying that that Puppies now all plan to vote No Award to prove we’ve been put-upon when we lose.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

I believe that’s a distorted version of this post by Mike:

http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/index.php?itemid=368

Feather Blade
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SJWs always lie.

Both puppies slates have been saying for months to read and vote.

It’s the SJW sites that have been saying “Vote Noah Ward!”

Rich
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For non-biased, they sure use right-winger enough. And no one is foolish enough to read Martin’s comments without getting the meaning of: “Are these the neo-Nazis and rightwing reactionaries we have been warned of? The truth is … no one knows … ” How “fair” is it when he claims “no one knows,” when everyone most certainly *does* know. It’s a lie and an intentional passive aggressive attack. I wish he’d spend more time concluding his doorstoppers so we could maybe get a conclusion than trying to assert fallacious politics.

Stephen Saintonge
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“Are the puppy opponents the bunch of totalitarian haters we’ve been warned of? The truth is, no one knows.”

Gee, somehow we don’t see quotes like that from Martin, do we?

Comedy in real life: when I commented on one of his posts, saying I believed people who said they’d been insulted, even spat upon by CHORFs, he couldn’t understand how anyone could believe that.

Josh Powell
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Come on Larry, the full quote is “Who are all these new Supporting Members? Are they trufans rallying to the defense of one of our field’s oldest and most cherished institutions? Are they Sad Puppies, Rabid Puppies, Happy Kittens, Gamergaters? Are those dreaded SJWs and ASPs and CHORFs turning out by the hundreds and the thousands? Are these the Neo-Nazis and right-wing reactionaries we have been warned of? The truth is… no one knows.”

He didn’t accuse sad puppies of being neo-nazi’s, he rehashed both sides claims and accusations.

gibreaux
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Come on, Josh. Many of us have already read the full quote. The point is, The Guardian also read the full quote and decided to use the excerpt they used with an intent to lead the audience to a desired result. This post is about what was presented in that Guardian release. If GRRM doesn’t agree with the way his words are used, then he can request a retraction or clarification to include the full quote.

Josh Powell
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Larry’s comment wasn’t about The Guardian, it was about GRRM.

gibreaux
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Ummm…. He is commenting on the words that The Guardian used which were attributed to GRRM. Did you miss that part where I said, “If GRRM doesn’t agree with the way his words are used, then he can request a retraction or clarification to include the full quote”

Andrew
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Are you saying GRRM is so bad at communicating in the written word that The Guardian and his opponents (who are opposite Guardian generally) both find it probable that he was poisoning the well with the neo-Nazi accusation, when he totally didn’t mean that?

Wayne
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Actually, the the three questions, as written are not exclusive of each other’s memberships. Yes, certain of the groups mentioned are exclusive of the others, but there is no exclusion in the questions themselves. Thus, if he were to have answered the questions with a declaration of memberships, he could easily have said that they were Sad Puppy SJWs who were right-wing reactionary neo-nazis. And that would not have violated the conditions of the questions. It would merely induce vomiting in any one of the groups mentioned.

Bill S
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We really need to clarify something. The SJWs behave Just. Like. Nazis. Read any good history of Germany in the 1930’s and you will see that SJWs behave Just. Like. Nazis. Who behaved Just Like the communists they were competing against for power.
Thanks Larry for all your heavy lifting and the VISA is in position for a November purchase of SBS.

Old NFO
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Tongue in cheek my ass… ANOTHER cheap shot at us. And yes, I’ve voted.

TallDave
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Agree, his comment was more tongue-in-asscheek — a bit jocular but trolling SP hard and his own side hardly at all.

Plus, he said the nominees suck, so FU GRRM.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

More than anything, it amuses me to no end to see GRRM and other ageing SF leftists of his generation becoming the Establishment that the younger generation is rebelling against.

Patrick Chester
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They are The Man now. 🙂

Wild Ape
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The Man smells like a stinky old doobie.

PavePusher
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GRRM needs to self-fornicate with a cactus.

PavePusher
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And Willis is an idiot.

Achillea
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Read and voted. Didn’t give any to Noah Ward, though some of the categories were pretty freakin’ empty.

Craig(2)
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The biggest surprise for me was novel, where only 2 of the five left me looking to spend any money on the author’s other work (of the five, one was already “yes, for whatever”, one was “yes, but provisionally to try to the next”, two “probably not” and one “I can’t believe a novel with these events can be so utterly, utterly boring”).

Alex
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I really only found one to be something I’d have nominated.

Another, I dislike the subgenre in general, so it was DOA for me. A third was bland, pleasant, and dumb – something I might read for free, but would never spend money on. #4 was… not the author’s best work. And #5 was utterly unreadable drek.

Josh Powell
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I love the genre and I couldn’t even get through any of the nominations but the one I’d already read. Love me some Dresden Files.

Jeff Gauch
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I spent all of Three Body Problem looking forward to the Plotasaurus, only to realize that the highest life form on a truly lush world was a Plot Beetle.

Josh Powell
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Three Body Problem started off quite interesting, it was cool seeing how another culture viewed things. It spun off the rails and became difficult to follow about a 1/3 of the way through. That could just be me though.

Wild Ape
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I had the same problem. It might have been a lousy translation. I like Jules Verne’s ideas but his novels were boring as hell. It won’t get my vote for the Hugo but I do think it is Hugo worthy.

Shadowdancer
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It definitely was Hugo-worthy.

Craig(2)
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Yep. Not as good as I expected given the praise, but interesting enough to be my second choice.

Shadowdancer
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It wasn’t just you, but I’m a bit more used to reading translated novels, so I’m a little more familiar to plot kudzu-ing.

Wild Ape
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I’ve only read a few Perry Rhodan novels. I suppose German translates better than French. The novel did not sour me to future novels that he wrote. I hope they get a better Chinese translator. I enjoyed the Firefly slang Chinese. It was pretty cool when I read the translation.

TRX
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A good chunk of the stuff written by native English speakers seems to have that problem. Enough that I wonder if the “editing” and “curating” concepts are worth the trouble…

Wyrdbard
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I’m working my way through it. I’ve got a decent familiarity with that end of the world culture so I’m following pretty well. I’ve found a couple of spots where the translator tripped on word order. I’m definitely wondering how much got lost in translation as very often translation at this level requires as much writing skill as writing the original (sometimes I think more, because you have to convey what someone else meant accurately both to what they meant and the effect they were hoping to achieve while staying true to what they actually said which means enormous understanding… Read more »
Shadowdancer
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Oh yes. This is the ‘do we stay true to the translation or do we translate as it was meant to be said?’ dilemma. I’ve found that translated works tend to work better if you do the latter; and you can add the interesting footnotes later on. The manga Negima did this very well (also revealing how much sheer research went into the manga! Translations from ancient Greek, Japanese, Sanskrit, Latin…! and indepth explanations of the philosophies behind several concepts!) and I was quite sad when Kodansha didn’t do as much of it during the crossover from Del Ray to… Read more »
WyrdBard
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A lot of that depends on training. For my experience our focus was meaning. Always meaning. We weren’t translating for pretty (I was military). We were translating for information, even if it was only a news article. Translating word for word almost never works right… especially when you get above tourist level exchanges. (Even there it can go painfully wrong.) A lot more of the academics I’ve met strove to translate closer to the actual words rather than the meaning (possibly because they didn’t think they should presume upon what the author meant.) Most of the professional translators seem to… Read more »
gibreaux
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SPOILERS!

Achillea
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I had two I liked in Novel. One was the latest in a series I already adore, the other had the pleasant surprise of a teenage protagonist who wasn’t whiny or annoying. Only made it through one of the rest, which was tolerable, though not especially enjoyable. #4 was an awkward and bizarre Luddite technobabble thing that was sliding rapidly into the surrealism abyss when I jumped ship. And #5 was just a sample, so I didn’t even bother.

Shawna
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I already knew Skin Game would be tough for any of the others to beat in my opinion, and they didn’t. Three of them I couldn’t even get through very much of (and I guess I really do have a strong preference for fantasy over sci-fi), but Goblin Emperor was a very nice surprise. There’s one book that I likely wouldn’t have bought otherwise but ended up getting the audiobook for after reading 100 pages and have really enjoyed it. (It’s still second place to Skin Game, though.)

Stephen Saintonge
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I found three of the four novels I hadn’t read yet quite enjoyable. Butcher got my #1 vote. I expect to read the sequels to GOBLIN EMPEROR, THREE BODY PROBLEM, and DARK BETWEEN THE STARS regardless of whether they’re nominated for anything.

Leckie, on the other hand, was just boring. I may finish it someday, but by the time the excerpt the publisher provided was finished, so was I.

WyrdBard
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Dark between the Stars and Three Body problem are two I was flipping back and forth between. I could take them in small doses (ditto with Goblin Emperor, though for different reasons.) They were very good, just styles of which I am usually not fond. It’s a measure of how good they were that I kept plugging through willingly rather than out of a sense of obligation. Goblin Emperor had an issue with Register. They were going for high register and managed to get the right voice, but didn’t bother with the other trappings of the style. It’s a trick… Read more »
Captain Comic
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I know Brad Torgerson isn’t exactly skinny, but how does he qualify as a “group”.

And to use the word “weak” after last year’s wonderful choice between “Dinosaur” and “Water”? That takes Westros sized balls.

And to Connie Willis: go to hell. “Bullied and extorted”? How?! By buying a membership and voting on the ballot?

It’s another damn round of Boss Tweed: They’re happy to let the hoi poloi vote on the short list just so long as the CHORFs get to do the nominating.

Craig(2)
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I sometimes read the complaints about Puppies as being in the tone of old style country club members annoyed that they have to open their doors to those who are “not their sort”. It is not always, fitting, but often enough….

James May
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“Torgersen himself usually maintains a civil tone in his blog posts, though I do disagree with much of what he says, but the comments that follow are often venomous, full of name-calling, personal attacks, lies, distortions, and hate speech. Anyone who ventures in to disagree is hooted down and torn to pieces… “But many of the Pups seem offended by the very existence of John Scalzi, N.K. Jemisin, Anne Leckie, Rachel Swirsky, etc.” – GRRM Whether purposeful or out of ignorance, that upside-down use of the words “hate speech” tells you the problem right there. I am not against the… Read more »
Wild Ape
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GRRM seems highly offended at leftists being called a CHORFs and a puppy kickers but is mystified by why we are offended at being called white supremacist, neo-Nazis, etc. It boggles the mind.

Doug Loss
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Frankly, what GRRM finds offensive doesn’t interest me in the slightest. Kind of like the fiction he writes…

James May
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It does. And notice how we are calling out individuals, not groups of tens of millions of people. Meanwhile the ideology we oppose goes after white privilege, rape culture and heterosexuality itself. THAT is what hate speech is. Never forget the empty-headed gay ideologue Liz Bourke’s column at Tor is named “Sleeps with Monsters” after a quote from the depressed confusions of the radical feminist Adrienne Rich. It is obvious who the monsters are. And never forget the wide-spread support Bourke has among the core SFF crusaders and Tor itself. Her latest post is more of the usual mindless attacks… Read more »
Brad R. Torgersen
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What I’ve noticed — and this is not unique to GRRM — is that there is an automatic expectation (on the part of certain liberals in this field) that each and every conservative blog operator must “own” everything written in the comments. Now, I personally think File 770 has become a crazy pit infested with the worst of the Puppy-kickers. But I don’t fault Glyer just because Aaron Pound ate lead paint chips off the wall when he was a kid. Like me, Glyer seems to let anybody post whatever they way in the comments. Within limits. And since Glyer… Read more »
Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

Speaking of Aaron Pound:

“Warboy Lich ‏@AaronPound · 4h4 hours ago
Watching a thread where very deluded Sad Puppies are patting themselves on the back about how they are going to “WIN ALL THE HUGOS!”

Where did we say that?

ZT
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In the Alternate Reality that our opponents spend most of they’re time in?

Seriously, what color is the sky on that planet?

Dave W.
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“Seriously, what color is the sky on that planet?”

Pink, of course

Brad R. Torgersen
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Aaron Pound and Damien Walter are basically mental clones of each other. You could randomly parse out pieces of their diatribes, mish-mash those pieces together, and you’d never be able to tell the difference. They both hate Sad Puppies with ferocious intensity, they are both meaningless in the broader sense of the field — meaning, neither of them produces anything of merit — and they are absolutely desperate for people to pay attention to them.

Stephen Saintonge
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He confused what we said with what the voices in his head told him.

ZT
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Stopped at File 770 once. Once was enough.

Brad R. Torgersen
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In Connie’s defense, she knows nothing about Sad Puppies, and doesn’t understand what’s actually going on. Which is true for a number of the older Trufen, to be honest. What they think Sad Puppies is, and what Sad Puppies actually is, are two very different things. And yes, I think your summation is correct. The taste-makers will give us our choices on a platter. If we don’t like it, that’s our fault — for being proles.

Reality Observer
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Well, if that is true – then I despise her for not bothering to find out before creating a hateful screed.

Either way, I despise her.

Robin Munn
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I’m willing to cut her some slack, because it’s very likely that everyone she knows has been telling her the Sad Puppies are neo-Nazis. Most people don’t naturally assume “Everyone I know is lying to me,” which is why the Big Lie technique works so well.

Brad R. Torgersen
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Yup. I am sure Connie’s circle has told her all about SP, and how SP is this evil scheme by bad men to do terrible things. Which is why it’s tough to be upset with her. She’s ignorant, and surrounded by a cocoon of people who want her to stay that way — while prompting her to be their sock puppet.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

I suspect this is true of many on their side.

Leah
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she’s not the only one, sadly. before I withdrew from certain social media circles, I have noticed that a lot of the sad puppies detractors, were going off information provided by, well.. Scalzi, GRRM etc. never really bothered to visit yours or Larry’s blogs. I tried saying something to the effect of.. maybe you guys should see what the other side actualy says, rather then accepting what you are told by third party they say… that went nowhere. oh well. I still enjoy her books, so I’ll just keep separating the work from the author’s opinions i disagree with.
Stephen Saintonge
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Which “side” is it that finds people of the wrong sex, skin color, or orientation so awful that they create rooms where they can hide from the “other”?

TallDave
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Yeah, wtf. If he’s going to call this slate weak (I’ll concede it could have used more Wright), I demand GRRM defend “Dinosaur.”

How dare you bully and extort me with your dissenting opinions on what constitutes literary merit, you racist Nazi homophobe hate speaker!

John Richard Ellis
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“Are they evil? Nobody knows.”

“Um, have you tried ASKING them what they believe and seeing if their actions actually match up to the picture painted by the other si-”

“NOBODY KNOWS. Nope! Nobody! No way at all to find out! Such a mystery, my gracious! Land o’ Goshen!”

“But they’ve written and done quite a lot, shouldn’t it be extremely easy to resear-”

“THERE IS NO WAY OF KNOWING.”

“…..*…..”

“I see by your silence that you agree.”

*mutter mumble mutter gripe*

Chuck
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Gotta say, I found reading many of the nominees a chore. The $40 was not the great deal I was hoping for.

WyrdBard
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Hopefully if Sad Puppies keeps up and a progressively (In the technical rather than political meaning of the word) wider variety of things get nominated that’ll change. I”m not done with the packet, but I found some authors I want to investigate that I hadn’t known before or had been leery of (actually the Dresden Files has been one I’ve been avoiding because of current trends in Urban Fantasy… that will be slowly remedied.) I’ve got a bit left to go so who knows what I’ll discover? It’s not money wasted. I, thus far, haven’t felt I’ve made bank, but… Read more »
Luchs
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I have to partially agree. I only found one novel to be award worthy. The rest went from just ok to flat out boring. That said, I’m in for next year. Three authors declined the nomination this year. The two I’ve read were both deserving of the award. I will seek out the third based on the nomination. The experience and the few good finds are worth the $40.00 for me.

James May
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Anyone notice who GRRM left off his list? That’s right, it’s the “F”-word, the only one that actually matters. But go to GRRM cuz GRRM: expert. Remember, these are the people so up to date on fandom they think an “SJW” is the frickin’ Army of the frickin’ Potomac.

Tippecanoe and Tyler Too, George.

Wild Ape
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GRRM grates on my nerves. One minute he is praised by the SJWs and the next they want to throw him under the bus for all his rape scenes and yet he preserves his anger for us. The moment he is considered irrelevant he will be torn to pieces by his “loyal” SJW fans. I plan to bring those super big marshmellows for that roasting. Mmm-mmm!

TallDave
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White male heterosexual left-liberals in particular tend not to understand the logical result of the politics they endorse ends with their own heads on those pikes they so admire.

Shrug. There were black Democrats during Reconstruction, too. People are strange.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

Whedon is the same. They just can’t seem to realize that if you keep getting viscously attacked by your own side, they aren’t really on your side.

Jordan S. Bassior
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He doesn’t get that the extreme and irrational hostility the SJW show toward him for his failure to write a medieval civil war as a Berkeley CA tea party and the extreme hostility they show us for our failure to recognize the superiority of poorly-researched revenge fantasies to space opera is exactly the same thing, and proceeds from the same motive — the desire to eliminate everything different in fiction than the personal experience of upper middle class lit-critter fans.

Ron
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It’s amazing to me how George and his buddies always have to throw in the neo-Nazi label label on those he takes issue with. My father fought real Nazis in WWII. He was shot in the leg by a Dutch Nazi U-boat commander who then interrogated him to see if he was the captain of the ship he had just sunk. My mother’s ancestors came from Germany to live in this country. They were Jewish. I know a little about real Nazis and none of the Sad or Rabids fit that mold. It offends me greatly when people like George… Read more »
Dab Kauffman
Guest

Voted by the way the Social Network login here is on the Fritz

richard mcenroe
Guest

I hear George is so mad at us he’s only going to write a rape scene every 23 pages instead of every 17 pages to teach us a lesson.

Wes S.
Guest

Well, GRRM’s running out of Starks to kill, so I guess he’ll have to find other ways to demonstrate his contempt for his fans…

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

No, he’s going to teach us all a lesson by not writing his book until the Puppy controversy has been resolved to his liking. Because he’s still a young man with many productive years ahead of him, you know.

Craig(2)
Guest

Just tell him the gap between the last two Dread Empire novels, and dare him to top that…

Leah
Guest

what the hell is a true fan anyway? does reading fantasy (and later sci-fi) for almost as long as i could actualy read qualify me? do you need to have read specific authors or specific number of books? I mean seriously? how can the same people decrying “fake gamer” label not see the irony in using “true fan” ?

Brad R. Torgersen
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Leah, you don’t get to be a Trufan until you go to Worldcon for 35 years in a row, have completely become “one” with the culture there, and oh yah, it helps to be a liberal. You can be a conservative too, you just can’t be a “loud” conservative. Liberals can be as loud as they want. Conservative Trufen have to keep quiet.

SJW75126
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Probably something to that. It is a gathering of people that probably have come together for a bit. It’s their party. I don’t know their politics but if there is a world flavor to it, I suspect it is liberal by US standards. I doubt that their is a strong contingent of right wing tea sippers. That element is shrinking in the US culture, which is one reason the culture war is so strong. Look at the votes that really matter – the last one was 5 to 4. To answer Leah, I think what GRRM means by a true… Read more »
Leah
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with an assumption that this is what Brad and Larry are doing? promoting culture wars instead of promoting books they thing deserve to be considered? I have a feeling that regardless of my history of reading sci-fi and fantasy – I would NOT be considered a trufan. becasue I tend to like a lot of the “wrong” sci-fi and fantasy books. /shrug

SJW75126
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Yes I would say that’s right. I am not a true fan either. It isn’t my party. If it was down the street I might go for the fun of it. But my SF for most part isn’t nominated. I suppose Dresden is the exception. That’s not being critical of the what my perception of GRRM’s true fan. Just that the sub-genre’s I favor are not the ones that this particular group likes. Right now I am reading King’s “Revival”. Never going to be nominated. Neither will “Under the Dome”. Neither was “11-22-63”. Neither was the “Hunger Games”. Neither was… Read more »
Bibliotheca Servare
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“That element is shrinking in US culture” …are you referring to “right wing” tea drinkers in this statement? If you are, I’ve never done drugs recreationally, but I have *got* to try some of the sh*t you’re on! That high muist be *righteous* to produce such powerful delusions so utterly divorced from reality. Ask the corrupt, bigoted, puritanical Southern Poverty Law Center (I contributed to them for years. I woke up. I don’t contribute anymore. They were arguably good once. Now they are a laughable counterpart to the KKK.) whether conservative, “right wing” beliefs are dying out, in America. I… Read more »
SJW75126
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Yes – the tea folk are angry old white men watching their world slip away. Down to about 18% from the last poll I saw. The religious right plays less and less a part as their numbers dwindle as well. Fundamentalism is on the wane. The Nones are the fastest growing religious group in the US. Immigration is changing the complexion of places like Texas. So yes – that movement is dying out – literally. That doesn’t mean all conservative ideas are dying out. The Democratic Party is largely a conservative party in the US. We don’t really have a… Read more »
Doug Loss
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You’re totally delusional, then. None of what you say is remotely true. Well, in leftist cloud-cookoo land, perhaps…

SJW75126
Guest

You remind of the eve of the election driving home with the bride listening to right wing radio. The radio host had a watch party at a local Dallas BBQ joint. He was talking about the coming Romney landslide. We just laffed. I don’t eat meat but I wished I had gone for the cole slaw. And the show.

I wonder how this show is going to end? Can’t wait. Unlike the other one, I have no idea.

Bibliotheca Servare
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If you’re talking about 2012…double check your numbers m8. Romney almost won. Landslide? No. But then, Obama didn’t win by anything close to a landslide, either. But I suppose delusional idiots have to assuage their self-hatred somehow. Laughter is as good a method as any. PS: angry white men? Seriously? Pass that needle, man! Or koolaid, or pipe, or bong, or hookah…whatever you’re using! That stuff sounds *awesome*! Somebody has better tell all those Latinos(as)/Hispanic folks, blacks, and Asians that oppose gay marriage and abortion that “SJW75126” has declared that they either don’t exist, or are white because s/h/it (she/he/it)… Read more »
SJW75126
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Romney didn’t “almost won”. By election eve the odds of a Obama winning was well over 90%. And 332 votes was a pretty good spanking.

The minority vote going Republican has about the same odds.

This is why we were laughing listening to right wing radio. Same reason I am laughing now.

I do hope history repeats. It is too early to predict but if Hillary pulls this off I may not see another Republican President in my lifetime. Demographics change slowly but they do change.

Doug Loss
Guest

At this point, it’s no more than even odds that Hillary even gets the Democrat nomination, nevermind being elected.

SJW75126
Guest

Check Betfair. The odds are 1/5. The market makes the odds. If you believe the market is wrong, congrats on your profits. If you read Nate Silver’s site you will note that he references Betfair in one of his analysis.

You might check the odds for next president while you are there.

Doug Loss
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None of which has anything to do with the actual, on-the-ground facts, of course. I stick with my analysis, that Hillary has no better than a 50% chance of even being nominated.

SJW75126
Guest

These are the actual on the ground facts. We all have our opinions. But if you want facts, the odds are much better than even. I gave you the facts.

Now if you think the odds are wrong, you have a huge profit potential. You could even place a wager now and offset it later as the market settles closer to your prediction.

Doug Loss
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You don’t. There are no facts at this time; it’s all opinion, including that of an online tip sheet. Do you really not understand what a “fact” is?

SJW75126
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Yes I understand what a fact is. The fact is odds are always an approximation of probability. Your statement that the odds are no better than even money is not a fact. That the odds that one can actually get is much higher than that is a fact. Betfair is not an online tip sheet. That is also a fact. It is an exchange. When Nate Silver pulls data from Betfair he may quibble about it (as he says). But he doesn’t dismiss it. Says Nate: “But Betfair data reflects market prices and is therefore a pretty good approximation of… Read more »
Doug Loss
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Of course it isn’t a fact; it’s an opinion, just like what you posted. The difference is, I recognize that and you don’t seem to. Your “exchange” is still an online tip sheet. The only thing special about it is that the tips aren’t coming from a single tipster, but from a faux “market.” And “consensus view” actually means a group opinion developed from the subset of individuals interested in this market. That’s hardly representative of the general public. As I said, an online tip sheet, and not even a representative one.

SJW75126
Guest

Thanks for making my point to Brad. How do you see the Hugo Awards playing out? What’s your take on how the puppy slates will do?

That, I have very little data on and I what I have I can’t interpret. There is some discussion at File 770 but nothing more than a few raw numbers on total membership and number of votes cast to date.

Leah
Guest
just to note – I’m personally actualy pro-choice (I have no idea if I would ever go through with abortion myself – leaning towards no, even though none of my plans involve having kids, but I still want that choice to be available for others – its kinda like that with guns. people who don’t like them, don’t need to have them, they just cannot take away the right from those that do) and pro-gay marriage – since marriage in US is a set of mutual legal/tax benefits (at least when it comes to what that wedding license from city… Read more »
SJW75126
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It has to be specific fans. There are so few voting. Part of that is because there is an economic barrier. Who wants to pay $40 (did I hear $60 next year) to vote. Look how few votes it takes to move the dial. This is a private club for people that want to attend and until this year more votes came from those that attend. Compare that to the Goodreads Choice Awards. In 2014 there was over 3M votes. I don’t think that means 3M people but that’s a lot of activity. Go look at the winners and the… Read more »
Patrick Chester
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The black and Hispanic folks who helped organize Tea Party rallies would like to know why they don’t exist in SJW75126’s tiny, overheated little head.

(Houston and Dallas, in case you were wondering. )

Synova
Guest

I did some political calling during the last presidential election. The organizers and the organization (and most of the phone conversations) were Hispanic. I was one of very few blonds in the room. (Albuquerque, in case you were wondering.) Not a majority, but a sizable minority. Our Republican governor is Hispanic, after all.

Erasing minorities is what progressives do.

Dave W.
Guest

I like how you’re pretending that the 2014 elections didn’t happen. It’s adorable.

SJW75126
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It was a midterm. And it wasn’t a surprise. The same modeling that showed Obama close to a sure thing also showed the loss of the Senate. Heck those of us in the real world felt that was probable two year prior. That aside. Reversing gerrymandering will take longer. Again. Demographics change. They change slowly but they do change. Those kind of things are well analyzed and one doesn’t have to be Einstein to take advantage of the data. The thing I don’t have data on (to amount to much) is this culture war playing out in the Hugo Awards.… Read more »
Bibliotheca Servare
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Okay, at this point, as a paraphrase/rephrase of a classic Roman (city, not Empire) joke puts it: why did you wipe your arse with your brain? (Original: who wiped their ass with my sock? Not me! I haven’t shit for three days!) Seriously. You realize Gerrymandering involves redistricting, right? And that the minority Republicans in the Senate had no ability to “gerrymander” states that they didn’t even have senators/only had one senator from? Right? Because if that fact is unclear to you, then continuing to converse with you is simply an exercise in moron-baiting and really seems mean-spirited. Battle of… Read more »
Doug Loss
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You do realize that the absolutely worst gerrymandered states are Democrat-controlled, right? Well, you probably don’t, being a leftist and all…as to the rest of your delusion, you’re just squinching your eyes shut as hard as you can and chanting to yourself, “We are TOO winning, we are TOO winning!” If you actually could be bothered to look at the real country, you’d notice that there is a rising amount of “Hell no, we’re not going to take it any more!” going on. The Tea Party movement dead? No, it’s just metastasized.

Synova
Guest
Re: Gerrymandering. In general it’s been about Democrats trying to engineer “minority” majority elections so that minority candidates win. In practice what seems to be happening is that all the reliable “minority” votes have been shoved into districts where they get 90% of the vote during an election (and yes, they elect black congresspersons quite reliably) leaving more “diverse” districts vulnerable to small conservative majorities winning more races. Tactically… the best thing is for a party to have a district where they have a very slight majority… of that 90%, every single vote in the general was for Obama districts,… Read more »
Patrick Chester
Guest

Yes – the tea folk are angry old white men watching their world slip away. Down to about 18% from the last poll I saw.

Ah, yes. The carefully-manipulated polls (not to mention flat-out lies) make you feel comfortable and smug so you embrace them with utter glee.

Go on, say you’re the “wave of the future” or “history is on your side” or whatever else you use to justify your actions.

SJW75126
Guest

Justify what actions?

Bibliotheca Servare
Guest

For one? Using my air without asking permission first. Aside from that…have you opened your mouth and subsequently permitted noises that were meant to form words to emit from that orifice (or any other orifice, to cover all the bases) anytime recently? If so, then that, too. Basically anything you do, voluntary or involuntary, requires a justification, in my not so humble opinion. I’m unfair like that. (With sjw’s at least) toodles!

SJW75126
Guest

That’s a non response to my question.

Randy P.
Guest

“The Democratic Party is largely a conservative party in the US.”

I don’t know how you could say this with a straight face. But I do agree that the Democratic Party in about ten years from now will make the current one seem conservative to you.

If you want a preview of what society will look like then, I suggest a book entitled “Brave New World”. That seems to have the sufficient freedoms you desire.

SJW75126
Guest

Loved Brave New World. It was high school. Time to put it on the re-read list.

Bibliotheca Servare
Guest

I should add, if that *wasn’t* what you meant, I sincerely apologize, and can proffer only fatigue and the lateness of the hour as defenses of my indefensible rudeness. Pardon me. God bless. 🙂

Brad R. Torgersen
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SJW: have you even looked at the history of the 20th century? This is the predictable part, about arguing culture with self-identifying progressives: they believe society and government are being propelled (kicked?) up this eternally rising ramp to some as yet unforseen nirvana of progressive perfection — with conservatives dragging their heels every step of the way. And of course progressives have always been on the side of “good” (cough, we’ll forget about cheering for the Soviet system, Walter Duranty style, cough) and conservatives have always been on the side of “bad” (cough, Republicans were the party that ended slavery,… Read more »
SJW75126
Guest
Brad, nice to hear from a head pup and nice of you to comment. You comment about the Republican Party and slavery can have two interpretations. On the one hand you might be equating LIncoln’s Party with today’s GOP which would be intellectually dishonest. Today’s republican party is not the party of Lincoln. It is the party of the red states that line up pretty much with the confederate states and that shift took place over civil rights legislation. On the other hand you may be illustrating your constant change paradigm by showing the change of the party since Lincoln.… Read more »
Craig(2)
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Dunno if the boycott is having an effect or not (except that I was saving money this year, until LC mentioned Bones 3), but it is worth noting that we don’t know Tor’s margin of safety on their sales. Not going to get into my very basic understanding of the accounting, but basically, it is possible that even a 1% drop in sales could drop Tor from ‘profitable’ to ‘not profitable enough’ or even ‘not profitable’ (if the numbers are already bad), and that the ways we have to measure their sales externally aren’t nearly that accurate. Without lots of… Read more »
SJW75126
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Hi Craig, A couple of things. 1. The added publicity may actually be beneficial. I few days back my wife says to me “Tom Hanks is reading the Scalzi novels”. This is interesting because until recently I didn’t know who Scalzi was and the bride sure didn’t. But I was excited because I am an audiobook fan. But she burst my bubble telling me – “No, he isn’t narrating them, he is reading them.” Ah. But the point is, Hanks twitter registered with her. I bought the audiobook version of “Lock In”. I now check out Scalzi’s blog. That is… Read more »
Robin Munn
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@SJW75126 – Today’s republican party is not the party of Lincoln. It is the party of the red states that line up pretty much with the confederate states and that shift took place over civil rights legislation. Nice attempt at rewriting history, but you should know it won’t fly here. We know that Bull Connor was a Democrat, that almost all of the Southern legislatures that voted for the Jim Crow laws were Democratic, and that when the Civil Rights Act of 1967 passed (through a Democratic-controlled Congress), more than 33% of Democrats in Congress voted against it, while only… Read more »
SJW75126
Guest
“I can understand why you wouldn’t want to acknowledge the racist history of the Democratic party, but we know too much history to buy your attempted rewrite.” I think I did didn’t I? John Connally was a Democratic governor of Texas. He was in the car with JFK and got shot in Dallas. He switched and ran as a Republican. The south used to be Democratic – now it is Republican. It was part of the Republican Southern Strategy to attract disaffected white voters. There was a corresponding shift in minority voting patterns over time as well. African Americans used… Read more »
Doug Loss
Guest

The real point is, today’s south is actually less racist overall than the northeast is. I know, I’ve lived in both areas. What probably happened is that the southern voters, rejecting institutional racism, tossed out the Democrats and replaced them with Republicans. That makes at least as much sense as you leftists’ nonsensical claim that “the parties flipped.”

Wild Ape
Guest
I was stationed in California for 13 long and weary years and then was sent to Texas. I can tell you that race relations in Texas are far and away better than in liberal California. I have Hispanic friends, relatives, and neighbors in Texas and the populace gets along very well. I did not have the same experience in California. I lived in the New York for a short term and there I met the worst racism of all the states that I have lived in. Hands down people get along better in Texas has been my experience and the… Read more »
SJW75126
Guest

Thanks Ape. I also live in Texas. I would say my impression is different than yours.

I am most interested in your assessment of the outcome of puppygate and you gave me that. I have no idea if you are right or wrong on that score.

Synova
Guest

Isn’t it widely accepted that Kennedy (all of them, actually) didn’t like negroes *at* *all*? And you know, as Republicans go, Connally is just super duper popular. REally, he is.

Farley
Guest

You cannot be a True Fan until you have been assimilated. Resistance is futile.

jbkhorn
Guest
I voted this weekend and here’s hoping Butcher wins. While a bit off topic, I thought you might be interested in a vignette that illustrates the awards don’t equal sales observation and the dump Lovecraft crap. I took my daughter to Barnes and Noble to buy a gift for a friend and as anyone who has taken a 16 year old girl shopping can tell you, I had plenty of time on my hands. I wandered over to the SF/F shelves to see what was available and checking out the “L” section didn’t see a single Leckie book, not last… Read more »
Shadowdancer
Guest

*grin* I gave my hubby MHI to read while he was on lockdown on base for an exercise once, and about 3 am he texted me to say it’s all my fault that he wasn’t getting any sleep because he could JUST NOT PUT DOWN THE BOOK until it’s done and dammnit why did it STOP?!

ZT
Guest

That’s kinda how I got my first John Ringo. Buddy of mine saw Hell’s Faire and brought it back for me. “ZT, I don’t know what in the heck is going on here, but this looks like your kind of thing.” I’ve been hanging around Baen ever since.

Mike
Guest

FWIW don’t forget to vote on the Worldcon location. You have to print out and snail mail your response. Choices are Japan, Finland, Wash DC and… I forget.

Samuel Marston
Guest

Strange times. Anti-cronyist, free thought is equated with Nazism.

Doug Loss
Guest

You clearly don’t understand leftist etymological practice, Sam. Whenever a term is believed to be pejorative to any extent, it is “interpreted” to apply exclusively to non-leftists. That’s how “Nazism,” a completely leftwing, statist, totalitarian philosophy, has been associated with people holding exactly the opposite beliefs. The left can’t have anything as distasteful as Nazism recognized to apply to their very near philosophical cousins.

Wild Ape
Guest
True. Nazi is short for National Socialist which was Germany’s right wing party in World War Two. The Germans didn’t have a right wing as we know it. They were voted into power because they were the “sane” alternative to the Communists. The Democrats of that same era would have been further to the right of the Nazis. The liberals in their confused reedit of history have made the term to make the Nazis sound as if they are closer neighbors to the Republicans. That simply isn’t true. The further to the right would be laisse faire capitalists or maybe… Read more »
Andrew
Guest

All those right wing socialists workers parties…

Stephen Saintonge
Guest

Back around 1930, the Communists called the people to their immediate “right,” the Social Democrats, by the epithet “Social Fascists.” Anyone who wasn’t a commie or at least a strong fellow-traveler was some variety of “fascist” in their eyes. So this is really nothing new.

James May
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When you vote, don’t forget to factor in your privilege and unconscious bias against marginalized groups. Remember, heterosexuality looks good on paper but can be too much of a good thing since in real life it produces children and extended families which can shame those without. Please consider the height and weight of the nominees or whether they suffer from incipient sociopathic paranoia. As last year’s great success shows, such inclusiveness produces warmth, compassion and a feeling of community. If you happen to go to WorldCon and meet a nominee in person, please do not look them directly in the… Read more »
Wild Ape
Guest

I think you forgot honey badgers James. They get real puffy on that one too.

Achillea
Guest

Also the word ‘normal’ is completely verboten.

rocinante
Guest

Trying to vote on the merits, but every time they open their mouths, the urge to burn it all down becomes overwhelming….

SJW75126
Guest

Burn baby Burn.

Joe in PNG
Guest

Disco inferno!

SJW75126
Guest

LOL – indeed.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

In the last few months, I’ve been seeing more and more pushback against SJWs. Even in the comments at Tor.com. Now, I don’t know how responsible things like Sad Puppies are for this, but I think it’s all part of the same zeitgeist. People are getting fed up with every discussion getting hijacked to promote the latest grievance of the social justice crowd.

You thought GamerGate and Sad Puppies were big? You ain’t seen nothing yet.

Arwen
Guest

I hope so. At this point I am so tired of the SJB that I want to see them crushed, driven before me and to ignore their lamentations.

Stephen Saintonge
Guest

What was real interesting to me was GRRM asking when we were going to “do something” about Vox Day. The SJBs tried to silence him by scorning him, and it didn’t work. As Vox himself has pointed out, they’ve also failed in their attempt to silence the Gamergaters with the same tactics. They’re getting desperate.

James May
Guest

When’s GRRM going to do something about 40 SJW anti-white, anti-male morons I could mention who keep getting nominated for awards?

Randy P.
Guest

The pendulum always swings back.

James May
Guest

Vote for global white privilege, compulsory heterosexuality and the Patriarchy. Systemic exclusion, punching down and oppression is the basis of all art and fun. Celebrate lack of diversity and remember neopronouns make it hard for cis people to take trans people seriously, which is good. Somewhere in there is literature and blah, blah, blah. How boring.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

What has the Guardian’s Village Idiot been up to? Why, he’s writing at Tor.com, of course!

http://www.tor.com/2015/07/24/the-dragonlance-chronicles-reread-guest-highlord-damien-walter-on-raistlin-majere/

Pretty much, the entire post exists to take swipes at geek guys for being misogynists. There is no other reason for it. He doesn’t say “GamerGate” or “Sad Puppies”, but that’s his intended target.

Brad R. Torgersen
Guest

Damien Walter, who ate lead paint chips off the wall of his mother’s flat, when he was a lad. (chuckle)

Doug Loss
Guest

What evidence do you have that he’s stopped doing so since he attained his majority?

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

None whatsoever.

James May
Guest
Any time a race gender warrior gives you a ready-made Orwellian title like “N. K. Jemisin: Upending the ‘racist sexist status quo'” it is confirmation there is no irony in Moronville. That’s what The Guardian is flogging at us once again, even though the author Noah Berlatsky and Jemisin have been so thoroughly discredited I don’t know why they bother. “Celebrated fantasy novels?” Celebrated by who? Aside from a writer stupidly confusing nepotism with affirmative action, the additional irony of the article itself being yet more affirmative action is lost on these great minds. Jemisin’s make-work job at some school… Read more »
Olov L
Guest

Greetings puppies!

Are there any Sad Puppies proponents out there who have reviewed and blogged about this year’s noms? As a non-puppy I’d like to read about your views on literature to be able to wrap my head around what you think is missing from the Hugos of previous years. Perhaps the most interesting reviews would be ones that deal with the categories with both puppy and non-puppy works, like Best Graphic Story.

I’d be grateful if you would link to Sad Puppy blogs (could be your own)!

WyrdBard
Guest

For myself, I’ve considered it, but I’m not sure I want to field the backlash from the puppy kickers. If I do codify the notes I have, I have no intention of posting those reviews until everything’s all said and done. Especially since I’m more concerned with finishing everything I can and voting in as many categories as I can before the deadline.

James May
Guest
“I can say with a fair amount of certainty that Laura is plainly the best writer of the five nominees… but there’s more to my choice than that. In this year of all years, with Puppygate turning so toxic and hatespeech spreading all over the internet, it behooves us more than ever to honor someone who spoke up AGAINST Hate and for healing, not by spewing vitriol in retaliation, but calmly, dispassionately, with clean hands and composure and… most of all… compassion. A victory for Mixon here would have huge symbolic value, I think; a vote for her is a… Read more »
James May
Guest

A vote for Sad Puppies is a vote against racial incitement. Here, let me spell that out for our new generation of “SFF” writers: R-A-C-I-A-L I-N-C-I-T-E-M-E-N-T.

I’ve seen more racial incitement from Hugo nominees and their ditzy supporters in the last 4 years than all the fucking Confederate flags in America. That’s not including non-stop daily head-banging incitement from shit gender feminists to hate men. That includes that fuckbucket called “Tor.”

Please take your pronouns like “cis” and shove ’em up your ass.

David MacKinnon
Guest
James, Allow me to (maybe) brighten your day. So, there I was, no sh**, on Google play looking at books. Up popped a new novel recommendation that I had already decided to bypass. I was skipping it because the publishing house editor recently referred to me and fans like me as Neo-Nazis. Sound familiar? Well, I had clicked on that book cover and lo and behold, I noticed something odd. The three letter name for that Progressive infested, F-bucket of a company was no longer listed as the publisher. Instead they were now listed simply as “Macmillan”. Maybe nothing, maybe… Read more »
Wes S.
Guest

I’ve been seeing the Tor/Macmillan swap a bunch on Amazon, too.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

But there was an article printed less than 24 hours after the boycott from a known Puppy-kicker began saying it had failed miserably! They wouldn’t lie, would they?

David MacKinnon
Guest

Nope! They are as honest as a Clinton tax return.

“Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire!”

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Interesting. Which books?

Wild Ape
Guest
If that is true then I think the boycott is damning them. Honestly, I like RS Belcher’s Tarot series but I refused to buy his latest Tor book. Tor has successfully made a marketing campaign that has alienated me. I am not boycotting per se but I am not looking for them either and when I see another book that I like I buy it. I might change my mind in a few years but for now I don’t care to even look their way. Screw em. I’ve voted. I feel pretty good about the whole deal. I don’t care… Read more »
David MacKinnon
Guest

David Weber’s “Safehold” series. All the hardbacks (listed on Google-play) I have are all stamped Tor. Now, they are all stamped Macmillan. A few weeks ago the pre order for the new release was also Tor, now it also shows Macmillan as the publisher instead.

NFG
Guest

Done putting the last touches on my vote. It was a lot of work, even though I found some good reads along the way and discovered some new authors to follow.

James May
Guest
Voting for Sad Puppies even on nothing more than principle may not reflect the best stories this year but it is a step in the right direction: a return to artistry for art’s sake. You will at least not be voting for racial revenge fantasies, reflections of narcissistic identity disorders, paranoia of one’s fellow human beings, and the sick supremacist notion half of all humans on Earth are morally superior to the other. We do not need to support writers who lament how much one race dominates a hobby globally while otherwise ignoring the issue altogether if it is the… Read more »
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