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Hugo Aftermath Post

The Hugo awards were announced last night at LonCon. Congratulations to the winners.

As expected I came in last place for best novel. The surprising part was that I was originally 4th, but then Australian voting rules kicked in, the last place is removed and the votes are recalculated. It is a weird system, and basically what it does is settles on the least disliked candidate as winner. I thought for sure the outraged SJW contingent would make sure I was dead last from the start, but as I’ve seen over the last few weeks from reviewers, many honest reviewers were surprised that it was actually a really good book.  

As for the rest of the Sad Puppies slate, they did about what we expected. The shocking one was Toni Weisskopf was actually 1st for best editor, but after the Australian thing lost. Too bad, because Toni is truly an amazing editor, but I’ve heard that Buchannan is really talented, so good for her. Brad had a pretty solid showing. Most of the others came in last or close. Vox came in 6th out of 5. (we actually had a side bet about which one of us would do worse because he figured he was far more hated than I was, and he won that bet).

Now I’ve got to respond to some of the stuff I’ve seen online. I’m playing catch up because I got in from GenCon late last night (I was informed of the awards results in the Indy airport waiting to board) and I’m still exhausted and brain dead (It was a crazy busy con, but that’s a whole different blog post).

First off, some people are upset and saying there was fraud. I understand your disappointment, but I truly don’t think so. In all of my dealings with LonCon they’ve been totally professional and honest. On things like Toni’s, yes, that is confusing as hell, but that is how the Australian system works. One of the original goals of Sad Puppies was to test the Hugo nomination process just because there had been allegations of “lost” noms in prior, and as a retired auditor, I’m a sucker for statistical analysis. SP1 gathered data, and SP2 gave me comparisons. I saw zero indication of fraud. I’ve only been awake for an hour, so I’ve only skimmed the new numbers, but they appear to have shaken out about where expected. So don’t get mad at LonCon, they did their job (and as I can attest, getting accused of fraud without evidence is annoying as hell).

Next, there is a whole lot of gloating. As an example, here are some excerpts from John Scalzi’s twitter feed.

John Scalzi @scalzi 
I’m not going to lie. I’m going to be THRILLED to snarkread the whiny “I didn’t want it anyway” nonsense that will squirt forth tomorrow.

John Scalzi @scalzi
WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THE HUGO SLATE A REFERENDUM ON THE FUTURE OF SCIENCE FICTION (loses) THE HUGOS DON’T MATTER ANYWAY

John Scalzi @scalzi  
SHUT UP I AM NOT CRYING IT’S THAT LITTLE FLECKS OF GUNPOWDER FELL INTO MY EYEBALLS SOMEONE GET ME A FLAMING SWORD SO I CAN FLICK THEM OUT

John Scalzi @scalzi  
WHO IS CALLING ME PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE I AM ALL AGGRESSIVE DON’T YOU SEE THIS HUGE GUN I HAVE WITH ME AT ALL TIMES (breaks down, sobbing)

John Scalzi @scalzi
AND NOW I WILL IGNORE THE HUGOS AGAIN UNTIL NEXT YEAR WHEN MY FEELINGS OF PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE INADEQUACY ANGRILY WELL UP ONCE MORE

John Scalzi @scalzi
I’VE LEARNED MY LESSON AND MY LESSON IS THAT WE DIDN’T HAVE ENOUGH PATENT RACIST SHITBAGGERY ON OUR SLATE WHAT THAT WAS GOOD WRITING MAN

John Scalzi @scalzi
ITS PROOF THAT ALL THE FEMINISTS NEED TO DO TO WIN AWARDS IS WRITE BETTER STORIES ACCORDING TO THE JUDGEMENT OF THE FANS SHEEESH

John Scalzi @scalzi
I NEVER WANTED THE AWARD THAT’S WHY I’VE WHINED LIKE A KICKED DOG ABOUT IT FOR A COUPLE YEARS RUNNING.

Yeah… I think Scalzi still might be a touch bitter for that time I publically beat him like a rented mule.

I do enjoy the constantly moving goal posts of the perpetually outraged, like how Sad Puppies somehow turned into a crusade for racism/sexism/homophobia in their heads. I never expected to win the Hugo. My stated goals this entire time was to get some political untouchables onto their sainted slate, so that they would demonstrate that there was serious political bias in the awards.

Just like how the Guardian crowd sourced a witch hunt to comb through everything I’ve ever written to find examples of me being racist, sexist, or homophobic (and sadly turned up nothing), I’d invite my doubters to comb through anything I’ve written on this subject to find where I ever had any goals other than exposing bias in the system. Put Sad Puppies into the search engine above to see just how serious I took this.

Seriously guys, when I was a corporate accountant I got paid a lot of money to do statistical analysis of complex financial systems, so I’m fairly good at the cipherin’ and gazintas. I predicted that the SJWs would mobilize to stop the untouchable barbarians, so I got some barbarians through the gates, and the SJWs mobilized like I said they would… And I’m supposed to be sad about that for some reason, why?

I lost last night, but I won back in April the other side had a come apart and started lobbing absurd obviously false allegations about me, when editors from major publishing houses told their followers to vote based on politics rather than quality, and when the USA Today and the Washington Post picked up the story.

http://monsterhunternation.com/2014/04/24/an-explanation-about-the-hugo-awards-controversy/

I got to give a little victory speech every time I had an author thank me for doing this. As much as the rejoicing Twitter crowd isn’t going to want to hear this, I heard from a lot of authors, from all over the spectrum of politics, fame, and success. I put a target on my head so the world outside one narrow clique of fandom could see what awaited them if they strayed too far from the path of approved goodthink. I simply showed what some of them knew and many suspected. Shockingly enough there are plenty of authors who don’t like the idea of having angry mobs sabotaging their careers and slandering them if they exercise their free speech in an unapproved manner.

Here is a fun one from last night. One of my fans caught this one and put it on Twitter which I read when I got off the plane. Orbit Books posted congratulations to the winners, and how they’d published in one way or another 4 of the 5 nominees (you get one guess which one of us wasn’t) and they wrote this:

Our heartfelt congratulations to Ann and to all of the finalists – Mira Grant, Charles Stross, Larry Correia (for the BRILLIANT Warbound series, published by Baen Books) and Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson. Here is the cached version:  http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1PlJ5Jf0XigJ:www.orbitbooks.net/2014/08/17/hugo-goes/+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

And here is the current version where that bit about Warbound being good was deleted: http://www.orbitbooks.net/2014/08/17/hugo-goes/  I just hope that poor writer didn’t get fired for accidentally admitting I don’t suck!

I didn’t watch the award ceremony, luckily for me I was at the gate reading a John C. Wright novel at the time. The most important thing is that menace Jonathan Ross was prevented from making any fat jokes! I heard it was mostly crying and social justice, but I saw on FB that one of the most telling presenter quotes of the evening was something along the line of “Many of our winners have gone on to be very successful, well… not financially… but…”.  Yeah, that sums up a lot right there.

So if it makes the SJWs fe
el better to imagine that I’m all broken up and sobbing because everything happened like I publically predicted it would months ago, feel free to gloat. After all, these are the same folks who have no problem imagining my sexism, racism, homophobia, bigotry, spousal abuse, vote stuffing, and rape apology, so what are a few tears?

EDIT: Just saw this, Dave Freer gets it. http://madgeniusclub.com/2014/08/18/a-different-modest-proposal/ 

Various people have sounded off about the Hugos – My only real comment is ‘Pyrrhus’. Look, the point being made by Larry Correia about the Hugos was the award was not for the best SF/Fantasy of the year, but for the most popular among a small left to far-left bunch of the WorldCon attendees. What he did was to make make this proposition (now established as fact) known very widely and publicly. As the reading population, logic states, is a reflection of the demographics of the total population, and maybe 10-15% of that group could count as left wing. Stretch to 25% who will put up with it… still leaves 75% who are unrepresented, for whom the Hugo Award was at best meaningless or actively signaled a book they would not want to read. Now, obviously, even if you personally are further left than Pol Pot or Kim il from-too-much-caviar or Stalin, as an author signalling that 75% do not want to read your book is not a win. By Larry making this bias obvious, by having to recruit nominations, despite being a very very popular author… The previous Hugo winners, the current nominees, the normal greying crew of voters, the WorldCon organizers and the Hugo organizers were caught in a trap. The only way to win (to establish that this was NOT true, there was no left wing bias) was to LOSE. To have a right wing, (or several of them) author (or editor) win (no matter how good the various proponents were. It was like an international road-race which somehow only Germans won… once this was publicized, even if the best runner was German – if he won, your race’s credibility was in the toilet, now and always) That would re-establish the credibility of the award as essentially picking ‘best’ rather than left wing flavor of the month lose and 75% of your sales. It was kind of a lose or lose badly equation for the left wing of sf/fantasy, lose and have a Damian in tears surrounded by exploding heads, or ‘win’ and lose badly by destroying your credibility. The best option would have been to divide and rule and get behind say Toni Weisskopf and Brad Torgersen. But that would take brains.

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NR Pax
2 years 8 days ago

Larry, I hope you will find the strength to carry on despite all of this. I’m sure that strength is located somewhere in your very large house. Perhaps your lovely wife and wonderful children can help you search for it?

Christopher M Chupik
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Christopher M Chupik
2 years 8 days ago

If all else fails, he can dry his tears with $100 bills.

GK Chesterton
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GK Chesterton
2 years 8 days ago

Totes. They aren’t very absorbent though so lots.

Kristophr
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2 years 7 days ago

Buy lots of 1 oz silver coins, fill a bathtub, and swim in them.

KHorn
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KHorn
2 years 8 days ago

Thank god that idiotic dino crap didn’t win the Hugo to go with the Nebula. I like to think the Evil League of Evil fans were enough to shoot it down.

Keith Glass
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2 years 8 days ago

“Dinosaur” missed it by only a few votes. . .

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 8 days ago

If I were an SF writer, my love, I’d write a good SF story, one that people want to read. But I’m not, so here’s this shitty little ditty instead. Plus “F” the white man.

Minimum Wage Historian
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2 years 8 days ago

Wow, Scalzi’s a little toad, isn’t he?

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NR Pax
2 years 8 days ago

Don’t be silly. Toads are useful.

Christopher M Chupik
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Christopher M Chupik
2 years 8 days ago

I suggest a new nickname for Scalzi: Janus. It’s got a J and an S, he’s two-faced, and of course the last four letters sum him up perfectly. 🙂

Jared Anders
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Jared Anders
2 years 8 days ago

…I was going to make a comment about Scalzi only driving away potential readers with his bafoonery, but I cannot possibly top gicing him the nickname of Janus.

ratseal
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ratseal
2 years 8 days ago

I regret that I really enjoyed OMW. I even liked GB. After that the series when into the toilet and his silliness since then has kept me from shelling out $ for his newer stuff.

Did he really tweet all caps? If so, what a little man he is.

Murphy7
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2 years 8 days ago

Larry, you need to write a western or genre bash mixing in some western. Just so there can be a Mule named “Barefoot” who has been branded “Beat me like you rented me!”

The line about your previous Twitter encounter with Scalzi + soda = I’ll be cleaning the keyboard a while.

Tom Simon
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2 years 7 days ago

Mr. Chupik:

Good suggestion. I read a howlingly funny one-star review on Amazon one time, part of which disparaged the book in question for being insufficiently soft and absorbent. The reviewer was British, and used ‘Samantha Janus’ as rhyming slang for the body part in question.

Maybe I shall take to calling Scalzi ‘Sammy’.

Keith Glass
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2 years 8 days ago

And watching the ceremony, it appears that Mary Three Names reclaimed her green Regency gown from Scalzi. . .

Jason Bieber
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Jason Bieber
2 years 8 days ago
Here is the comment I left at Orbit books: Dear Editors, Nice to see that you edited out Correia’s Warbound from the list, and the commentary about the book. Sadly (for you) the cached original article is now on the wayback machine (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1PlJ5Jf0XigJ:www.orbitbooks.net/2014/08/17/hugo-goes/+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) and your attempt to install approved speech codes and censorship is pretty apparent. Unless you apologize to Larry Correia, his fans, and to the writers who you unceremoniously edited, I will never work with your organization. I will never promote your organization. I will never work in conjunction with any organization that directly supports you. Enjoy standing… Read more »
Vince C
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Vince C
2 years 8 days ago

It looks like they moderated out your comment. When I just looked there were no comments on the article. Color me surprised….. Not.

Jason Bieber
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Jason Bieber
2 years 8 days ago

Of course they moderated out my comment. The proles can’t be allowed to see the Wizard of Oz.

Christopher M Chupik
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Christopher M Chupik
2 years 8 days ago

I think Scalzi’s chest-beating display was meant to show his “dominance” over Larry for the SJW crowd. To the rest of us, it looks like he did a little too much LDS. 😉

Brian
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Brian
2 years 8 days ago

Scalzi has a thing for Mormons?!?

Arwen Riddle
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2 years 8 days ago

No, that’s Harry Reid making all Mormons look bad. 😛

Brad R. Torgersen
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2 years 8 days ago

Hey, I thought it was *my* job to make all Mormons look bad!

Keith Glass
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2 years 8 days ago

Brad, did Scalzi catch you wearing those Desert Camo Temple Garments AGAIN???? (evil grin)

Albert
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Albert
2 years 8 days ago

Harry Reid surely doesn’t count. He’s a Nevada Democrat.

michaelzwilliamson
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2 years 8 days ago

It really was undignified.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
2 years 8 days ago

And today’s is almost worse:

“RATIONALIZE YOUR HUMILIATING DEFEAT SOME MORE PLEASE IT GIVES ME THE TINGLES IN A DEEP AND PRECIOUS PLACE YES YES THAT’S IT”

A few years ago, I would have never believed a major SF figure would behave so ridiculously in public. I was very naive back then.

pkudude99
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pkudude99
2 years 8 days ago

Star Trek 4 reference FTW!

And of course that bings to mind the old joke: What ydo you get when you cross LSD with LDS? A high priest!

junior
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junior
2 years 8 days ago

*groan*

That was awful. Where’s a rotten tomato when you need one…

Book
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Book
2 years 8 days ago

OMG. I can’t believe I laughed at that.

Christopher M Chupik
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Christopher M Chupik
2 years 8 days ago

*groans* *flings carp*

Albert
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Albert
2 years 8 days ago

Beautiful. I need to tell my Dad(who _is_ a high priest) that one.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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Applause for the Star Trek 4 reference, have a ballistic carp for the pun.

Bob TheDemented
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2 years 8 days ago

The sad thing is, there were numerous opportunities for Scalzi to keep out of the fray and “stay classy” about the whole thing. However, he chose instead to wallow in snark and concern-trolling in order to posture for his corner of fandom. And that, I think, is the “dominance” he was shooting for: by demonstrating he can fling poo from one end of the intertubes to the other, he retains his “alpha” status over the rest of the perpetually outraged, poo-flinging SWPL monkeys that swell the ranks of the SJWs and GHHs.

Jason Bieber
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Jason Bieber
2 years 8 days ago

Actually, Scalzi’s twitter rants just reinforces the sore winner/loser trope that he’s become. He gets all shout-y when he thinks that the coast is clear, which is the response and actions of an intellectual coward.

Plus, it’s hella projection. He’s afraid, because he knows he (and his) came close to losing. So, they have to goalpost shift and trumpet strumpet.

Murphy7
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2 years 8 days ago

I kind of thought he was setting up his excuses ahead of time, explaining how he will be posting sporadically while out on his book tour, and of course, shutting down comments before he left. This, with the Hugo announcements early into his trip.

Could have been honest, but it is definitely convenient.

James Dixon
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James Dixon
2 years 8 days ago

> The sad thing is, there were numerous opportunities for Scalzi to keep out of the fray and “stay classy” about the whole thing.

Oh, that was settled as soon as Larry asked Vox to be on the slate. Scalzi just loses it whenever Vox is involved.

Guest
2 years 8 days ago

Yep, that was his coach-jumping episode.

Patrick Mathews
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2 years 8 days ago

Well having gone through their proportional representation (P.R.) vote counting system I found the 1st place calculation made perfect sense to me – I will admit to being from Ireland which used P.R. for all elections except the yea or neigh constitutional amendments.

However the vote counting for ranking of other places confused me greatly (2nd 3rd 4th)…

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kastandlee
2 years 7 days ago
The vote counting for positions after first place works just like the voting for first place, except that you eliminate any candidate who has already placed from the ballot, and start with the highest remaining candidate on your ballot. For example, if you voted A 1, B 2, C 3, No Award 4, and D 5, and then candidate B won after the initial count, when we start the counting for 2nd place, your vote for A still counts first; but if A is eliminated (by having fewer votes than any remaining candidate, we look at your ballot and say,… Read more »
michaelzwilliamson
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2 years 8 days ago
I actually hadn’t realized the Hugos were this weekend. I was in the middle of the Nerd IronMan Triathlon of Pennsic, GenCon, DragonCon.  26 days of events in 39 days, and 100K people.  I thought about doing Chicago ComicCon as well, but I have to pack for DragonCon. Great to see Randall Munroe win a Hugo for “Time.” Very well deserved.   Larry and I were at the same signing table, and apparently, a lot of his Asian, black and female fans didn’t get the message from the white liberals about what a hater he is. Anyway I hope the… Read more »
Kevin Baker
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2 years 8 days ago

Well, I’ve read my last Scalzi book. Congratulations, Larry, on proving your point, and driving it home with a sledgehammer. So when’s the next Monster Hunter novel coming out? I’m jonesin’ here!! Take my money!!

david mills
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david mills
2 years 8 days ago

I have read one of Scalzi’s books. I didn’t hate it. But i won’t buy any more because i refuse to support someone who has so little grace, manners or sportsmanship. I used to think that Tweet was what little yellow birds did. Now I know. It’s what big strong Men do to show thier dominance.

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tuco
2 years 8 days ago
I read and enjoyed Scalzi’s Old Man’s War. I read the first sequel and enjoyed it as well. I read the third installment, and that was enough. I haven’t been tempted by any of his work since. Personally, I couldn’t care less if someone is a poor sport and has no grace or manners if their story is good. I don’t see my purchase of their books as an endorsement of their personality. I’m not paying money to hang out with them, I’m paying money to visit a world of make-believe, preferably with guys shooting each other, hitting things with… Read more »
David A. Young
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2 years 8 days ago

Yes, I enjoyed the first book as well. But then I reached the end of the trilogy, and realized the solution of the “good guys” was to simply claim the rest of the galaxy as their own. If you didn’t join their gang, and play by their “One True Way,” you were forbidden from colonizing any new worlds, and if you tried, the “good guys” would bomb your settlement. At that point I was done with Scalzi, long before I’d read what his politics were. Though I had a pretty good guess.

Jason Bieber
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Jason Bieber
2 years 8 days ago
The third installment was” LOLZ OBAMMMAAAA PEEEACE IN IWAK” It felt like he had completely forgotten where the plot and storyarcs were in the first two books, and it took so much bullshit to get to his “revised endgame” in the third book that it was so transparently about his politics, and how he forced it on his readers…….most of whom he gained in the first place from Instapundit. It was a giant slap in the face of the fans who made him and followed him, and all so that he could take over SFWA and bask in the egoist… Read more »
Jake
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Jake
2 years 7 days ago

Didn’t even manage to get all the way through Old Man’s War. Got about 2/3 through it and got bored. I was planning on finishing it some day, not so much now…

Andrew
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Andrew
2 years 8 days ago

He’s a good writer, but he hates me and would deny me the right to speak (at the least) if he had power. Money is power, and I can’t give him any more in good conscience. YMMV

Tarl
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Tarl
2 years 8 days ago

I guess “good” = mediocre, derivative, and mildly entertaining?

Patrick Mathews
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2 years 8 days ago
From Michael Z. Williamson as he’s being spamtrapped, or something :): I actually hadn’t realized the Hugos were this weekend. I was in the middle of the Nerd IronMan Triathlon of Pennsic, GenCon, DragonCon. 26 days of events in 39 days, and 100K people. I thought about doing Chicago ComicCon as well, but I have to pack for DragonCon. Great to see Randall Munroe win a Hugo for “Time.” Very well deserved. Larry and I were at the same signing table, and apparently, a lot of his Asian, black and female fans didn’t get the message from the white liberals… Read more »
Matthew
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Matthew
2 years 8 days ago

So are the puppies still sad, or what?

And how did Wendell take the verbal beating that Scalzi… nah, I can’t even type it with a straight face.

G-d, what a little toad Scalzi can be.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
2 years 8 days ago

The puppies are laughing. The SJWs are like the Grinch: they think their pettiness could steal our happiness. But we’re still singing. Who knows, maybe Damien’s heart will grow three sizes one day . . .

Wes S.
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Wes S.
2 years 8 days ago

I’d boycott Scalzi for his little victory tantrum buuuuut…I’m already boycotting Scalzi for being a douche. At least the damn dinoporn short story didn’t win…

Leckie can keep her Hugo; I’ll stick with my complete hardcover collections of WoT and MHIs, thank you very much.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 8 days ago

Why is Scalzi tacking out ranting screeds with his I assume opposable thumbs? It came off like a golden chain of stink. That’s unfortunate for the self-proclaimed Oscar Wilde of SFF.

Tom Simon
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2 years 7 days ago

Oscar Wilde was a brilliant fantasy writer (Dorian Gray, ‘The Selfish Giant’ – need I say more?) who unfortunately got remembered by the Modernists as a gay man who made cheap wisecracks. I’d say that makes Oscar Wilde the Oscar Wilde of SFF. Maybe Scalzi can proclaim himself the Dorothy Parker.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 7 days ago

I guess what I meant is that Scalzi wipes his ass with handfuls of stinging centipedes and sandpapers his eyes every night after squirting lemon juice into them.

I’m not sure why he’d do that though.

Guest
2 years 8 days ago

Jiminy that petulant child scalzi is goin off in all caps again…(after, I’m assuming,he read this)

You must really struck a nerve

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
2 years 8 days ago

I think Scalzi is also sore about the criticism of Redshirt’s win last year.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 8 days ago

I’d say it’s more his life. I’d bet money I’ve had 40 weeks, any one of which has been more eventful than any 10 year period in Scalzi’s entire life. As far as I can tell the source of the heady wisdom of his life has been a ride on a cruise ship. That’s gotta sting as you age.

Tom Simon
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2 years 7 days ago

Maybe he spilled Coke on his Caps Lock key and can’t switch back to lowercase. If so, I can sympathize slightly, for my backspace key has gone pht the same way.

Fortunately, I have a spare keyboard. You’d think a Big Name like him would be able to pony up the ten bucks for that.

Book
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Book
2 years 8 days ago
The funny thing about Scalzi’s comments is that he is either being deliberately stupid: Correia claims he won back in April and has no expectation to win tonight? IMMA JUST GOING TO IGNORE THAT AND MAKE FUN OF HIM FOR NOT WINNING!!1! Or… well, no, I don’t think he’s actually that unintelligent. I think he knows full well what the purpose of Sad Puppies was, but is trying SUPER HARD to show everyone that *we totes got reasons to gloats, you guys!* because, lets face it, Larry WAS proven right back in April- and repeatedly ever since. Every time a… Read more »
Wes S.
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Wes S.
2 years 8 days ago

Yeah, Scalzi “doesn’t care” so much about Larry’s Hugo slate that he posted a dozen gloaty all-caps Twitter rants about how much he didn’t care. OK, then.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
2 years 8 days ago

And a few weeks ago, the day his second TV show was announced, he declared that his first Twitter feud with Larry was nothing at all. Hmmm.

dyingearth
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dyingearth
2 years 8 days ago

[blockquote]And a few weeks ago, the day his second TV show was announced, he declared that his first Twitter feud with Larry was nothing at all. Hmmm.[/blockquote]

It’s call know which side the bread is buttered on. While the detail is being hashed out, he has to be on his best behavior. Now that it’s done, there’s nothing to hold back his true feeling.

Brian Niemeier
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2 years 8 days ago

Beautifully executed, Larry! You expose their bias, and they deny it. You get a few “pariahs” nominated. The propagandists have outrage spasms, duly circle the wagons to win, and celebrate by gloating about how they proved your point!

And for anyone who’s depressed about the Hugo results, cheer up. The future belongs to those who win the marketplace; not awards. Jordan/Sanderson’s loss proved it. Just sit back and enjoy. It’s one hell of a ride.

Book
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Book
2 years 8 days ago

Well said. They sure are trying hard to squeeze a win out of this, aren’t they?

I mean… we already won. Months ago. Sure, they can be silly if it makes them feel better. *You may have beaten us intellectually, but our clique of friends likes us more than they like you! SO THERE* //flounce//

Brian Niemeier
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2 years 8 days ago

Exactly. Why should the star quarterback care if he gets cut from the school play? Nobody defunds the football team. The drama club, however…

Brad R. Torgersen
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2 years 8 days ago
Larry posited that the overly-political denizens of the Worldcon cotillion would experience a dramatic amount of heartburn, should their award be “invaded” by uncouth outsiders. The denizens could not have responded any better even if you’d scripted them. They went directly to the political block playbook, and they have since been patting themselves on the back for being precisely what Larry said they were: narrow, closed, insular, and prone to identitarianism. I was happy to participate in Larry’s experiment. I think it worked beautifully. And I agree with him: Loncon was ever-gracious and professional in their handling of the entire… Read more »
Brian Niemeier
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2 years 8 days ago

You nailed it. Sad Puppies definitively refuted any claim that the Hugos reward objective merit. Winning a Hugo means only that one’s book appeals to the tastes of a particular and rather small block of SFF fans–just like Larry has always said.

Invasion is an apt metaphor. Leave the identitarians in peace to hold their conventions and give each other awards. The illusion that they represent fandom as a whole has been shattered. Their credibility is dead. You, Vox, and Larry gave them the ammunition; but they pulled the trigger themselves.

Now back to entertaining people and selling books!

RightWingProf
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RightWingProf
2 years 8 days ago

I posted the following message to the Orbit site:

“I notice the original post you put up had praise for Correia’s Warbound. But that was edited out in this later one. Might I ask why?”

What’re the odds on it making it to the site? Anyone? Bueller?

Jerry Lawson
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2 years 8 days ago

I’d say… none. Thou shalt not even mention the names of the un-anointed, lest the wrath of the SJWs fall on your head.

vkorablin
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2 years 8 days ago

Note that they wiped all references to other nominees, not just praise of Warbound. It’s not necessarily as sinister as Larry makes it sound.

RightWingProf
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RightWingProf
2 years 7 days ago

24 hours, and my response still not posted. Color me unsurprised.

Khazlek
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Khazlek
2 years 7 days ago
I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree here. The original text “Our heartfelt congratulations to Ann and to all of the finalists – Mira Grant, Charles Stross, Larry Correia (for the BRILLIANT Warbound series, published by Baen Books) and Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson.” reads to me like BRILLIANT was intended as total sarcasm and was written by someone who thinks the series is anything but. Why would they call out Larry’s books as brilliant, and not heap similar praise on the others? It’s difficult to be certain, since sarcasm often doesn’t come through well in writing.… Read more »
Chris
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Chris
2 years 8 days ago

The Hugos and Sad Puppies 2 have come and gone, but the most important thing to remember is that at least a mixed race/native American author, a second generation latino immigrant, and a successful single Mom were shown their place. /sarc

Ted N
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Ted N
2 years 8 days ago

Keeping people in their clearly defined boxes are what’s really important, after all.

Andrew
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Andrew
2 years 8 days ago

I recall people were also upset that Zoe Saldana wasn’t cast as a “person of color”. I’m guessing only white people can play green people or something… Honestly, still not sure what’s up with that. Guessing it’s just trolling?

Synova
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Synova
2 years 8 days ago

Hispanics must be visibly identifiable as Hispanic at all times. Perhaps Jennifer Lopez will remember that from now on.

Also Zoe Saldana not only shouldn’t play a blue person or a green person, she also should not play a black person. These things make NPR very sad.

DaveP.
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DaveP.
2 years 8 days ago

Synova- actually, I think Ms. Saldana would look killer in red.

B.E. Sanderson
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2 years 8 days ago
Wow. That whole twit-feed thing hurt my eyes and killed a few brain cells. If I’d actually seen that on Twitter, I would’ve unfollowed whoever did that because they appear to be insane and who needs more insanity thrust at them these days. So I went and checked (because I almost never use Twitter these days) and sure enough, at some point long long ago, I had followed that screaming meemee. Error rectified and life is once again mellow here on my little acre of happy. Thanks, Larry. Now I have to go kill some fictional people.
Khazlek
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Khazlek
2 years 7 days ago
The end of the sequence ends with “I am now done channeling Angry Rationalizing Hugo Losers.” So in other words, Scalzi believes that he is parodying the behavior of Larry and Vox. Where he is getting the gun stuff is beyond me. The part that might make a bit of sense to a bystander is the bit about why conduct two sad puppy campaigns if Larry doesn’t really care about the Hugo? I sure hope that proving points about the Hugo being a popularity contest isn’t the whole thing. I want to see a permanent widening of the voter base.… Read more »
Jonathan
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Jonathan
2 years 8 days ago

Larry,

I plan to award you with the George Washington Award for many years to come. I am listening to Spellbound now, and both it and Hard Magic are hands down the best audibooks I have ever listened to. Warbound is already bought and waiting. This month I bought MHI 4 and MHI 5 (already have the 1-3 omnibus) and I’m looking forward to listening to them.

I am having a blast listening to your stories. So thank you for writing them.

Fruitbat44
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Fruitbat44
2 years 8 days ago
Well I was down at Worldcon (aka Loncon3). I was only down on the Saturday and even than it wasn’t for all day. Mainly for mechanical and some personal reasons, but it was fun and I’m glad I went. Nice atmosphere, lot of people in costume, lot of nice stuff in the dealers room, lot of very nice stuff in the art show and a nice fan room. I only made it to one panel, cover art in YA fiction, which was interesting. At least I now know that the expression “Philosophers Stone” translates into Danish as “The Stone of… Read more »
michaelzwilliamson
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2 years 8 days ago
“The fans.” Worldcon is 1/10th the size of GenCon or DragonCon and not even 1/20th the size of SDCC or SLCC. Hell, Indy’s first year Comic Con was 3X the size. Most city comic, anime, steampunk or media cons are bigger. Worldcon stopped being relevant around 1993, when the type of people who attend dismissed the DragonCon NASFiC bid as “A comic convention, not REAL sci fi!” (I quote more than one BNF.) If you survey D*C or CC attendees, 80% of them have never heard of the Hugo, 80% couldn’t name it if you told them what it was,… Read more »
Brad R. Torgersen
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2 years 8 days ago

I can only add to this: amen!

Guest
2 years 7 days ago

“95% would have no idea how it was tabulated.”

I didn’t either. Someone had to link me to a website that explained the process after I saw the PDF of the vote tabulation.

ashley858
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2 years 7 days ago
Sort of aimed at Mike; I was at LonCon and was pleasantly surprised to see Hawk Wargames there. They make Dropzone Commander, a cool tabletop miniatures wargame that I reviewed for Miniature Wargames magazine, and I was very flattered when they mentioned they liked my article on Steve Jackson Games Ogre, and then proceeded to tell me I wrote good articles. It was therefore heartening to hear at the end of WorldCon that they had done good, and that it had been worth their while to attend. Awesome I say. Comics were very thin on the ground, with only graphic… Read more »
Fruitbat44
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Fruitbat44
2 years 7 days ago
That’s sad. Being into science-fiction and not knowing what a Hugo or a Nebula is?  Hmmm . . . actually I hope it is a sign of the awards irrelevance and not general ignorance. I mean these same Hugo-challenged people at D*C or GC could tell you Heinlein was? Or Larry Niven? Or Harlan Ellison? Or George RR Martin? “Oh, the guy who does the tie-in novels?” –eg- And yes I realise that I am getting close to the sort of intellectual snobbery that I’ve come across that “media” fans aren’t really into SF. Okay, some of this has… Read more »
Khazlek
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Khazlek
2 years 7 days ago
Well obviously if you are at a point where Worldcon, or regional SF con is too small to be worth your time as a vendor, I can’t argue with that. Congratulations. I game frequently, but I don’t really want to go to a gaming convention, where nearly all of the events are game sessions. I game locally. One great thing about the Gencon I did visit was the huge display of original cover art from all of the artists who did the gaming books I grew up with. The huge size of Gencon does make doing that practical. I don’t… Read more »
Khazlek
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Khazlek
2 years 7 days ago
” I mean these same Hugo-challenged people at D*C or GC could tell you Heinlein was? Or Larry Niven? Or Harlan Ellison? Or George RR Martin? “Oh, the guy who does the tie-in novels?” –eg-” I love Heinlein, but in all fairness, those Scribner’s juveniles are 50-60 years old. Quite a few voracious readers are unfamiliar with Heinlein. I’ve read one E.E. Smith book. I don’t have plans for more. I expect everyone has heard of George R.R. Martin, but at this point that is more because of TV. Kids these days are reading other people more. That’s what happens.
Fruitbat44
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Fruitbat44
2 years 6 days ago
@knazlek – The point I was getting at with ”I mean these same Hugo-challenged people at D*C or GC could tell you Heinlein was? Or Larry Niven? Or Harlan Ellison? Or George RR Martin? “Oh, the guy who does the tie-in novels?” was did they not know what the Hugos where because they were “irrelevant” or because they didn’t know anything. The depth of ignorance of some people can be a bit scary e.g. some people thinking that Larry was ripping off X-Men in the grimnoir series. –sigh- Disclaimer: no I am not trying to insinuate that anyone who goes… Read more »
Kittychan
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2 years 8 days ago

I watched the whole thing online; I was pretty happy about XKCD’s Time getting an award (I was sort of expecting Girl Genius to get another one), but otherwise nothing I cared about won. At least Frozen didn’t get a Hugo, but Pacific Rim really deserved one.
(Also, I think I might have heard booing when Vox Day’s entry was announced? It was hard to tell with the sound quality though.)

Keith Glass
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2 years 8 days ago

There was a little booing at Vox’s name, but you had to be listening for it to pick it out. . .

DeTroyes
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DeTroyes
2 years 7 days ago

Really? I didn’t hear any. Just some polite applause, tho it was of the restrained variety.

bjlinden
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2 years 8 days ago
Pacific Rim was a hard one for me not to vote for, because out of all the films nominated, it was by far the best one. However, I didn’t vote for it, and here’s why: The award wasn’t for Pacific Rim, the film, it was for Pacific Rim’s SCREENPLAY. Also, the Hugos just in general, are an award for writing, not for directing, effects, acting, or other elements of cinematography. Pacific Rim was a brilliantly directed movie with some great actors who could deliver ANY line and make it sound amazing, but you have to admit, the actual writing was… Read more »
pyredynasty
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2 years 8 days ago

I disagree that it was for the screenplay, the category is dramatic presentation so it’s the presentation, which is the final product not one part of the whole. Also there is more to a screenplay than dialog; all those effects were planned out in writing, someone wrote what kinds of music should be where. (Also the music was written.)

If it was for the screenplay then why didn’t they include the screenplays in the voter packet? I’m sure the studios would have been fine with that.

Were the artist/fan-artist categories contingent on writing?

bjlinden
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bjlinden
2 years 8 days ago

@pyredynasty

On the voting page, the item available to vote for was specifically listed as “Pacific Rim Screenplay.” Same with Gravity and Frozen. Not sure about all the rest. Admittedly, I could very well have been misinterpreting the criteria. It was my first attempt at voting in the Hugos, after all. But reading the entry on the voting page, it seemed pretty clear to me.

Kittychan
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2 years 8 days ago

I honestly didn’t think the writing for Frozen was that great—dialogue, yes, but the flow wasn’t that good and a lot of it felt like it had been rushed through editing or something. But then I’m still mad about the hand-animated Snow Queen we COULD have had that was benched for Frozen (I’ve been upset about that for about…4 years now). Not really an equivalent exchange in my book. However, I can see what you mean about Pacific Rim, although I would disagree.

pyredynasty
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2 years 8 days ago

Actually it was “Movie Title screenplay by so-and-so, directed by so-and-so (Studio)”

bjlinden
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bjlinden
2 years 8 days ago

Well, durr. I feel like an idiot now. I guess I can take solace in the fact that my one vote wouldn’t have pushed Pacific Rim over the edge? Still, it was worded quite confusingly, and I can’t help but wonder how many OTHER people thought the same thing I did…

kastandlee
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kastandlee
2 years 7 days ago

I’m not sure where you got the idea that the Dramatic Presentation awards are for screenplays. They aren’t, although the writers are included among the credits. There is nothing in the definitions of the Hugo Awards that says that the nominations are for screenplays. They are for Dramatic Presentations, which means the entire package including what appears on the screen, not just for the words written on a sheet of paper. Just because most of the Hugo Awards are for written works does mean that they all are.

bjlinden
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bjlinden
2 years 7 days ago
@kastandlee I kinda’ covered this in a comment above. On the voting page, the item is listed as “[title] screenplay by [x]…” rather than “[title]: screenplay by [x]…” or “[title], screenplay by [x]…” or some other format that would actually make sense. It’s quite confusing, especially to a first-time voter. Also, seriously, who lists the screenwriters before the directors on a movie? That would be like, for example, listing the audio version of a Monster Hunter book as “…by Oliver Wyman and Larry Correia.” This is especially true of a work like Pacific Rim, where the director was absolutely brilliant,… Read more »
Finandir
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Finandir
2 years 6 days ago
re: “I never expected Larry to win, obviously, but I’m still bitter about the Wheel of Time loss. I thought for SURE it had a chance. I guess Larry’s right about message fic being more important to these people than telling a good story…” Well, I’m not sure about the message fic part in this case. To be honest, Wheel of Time started out great and then dragged a lot in the middle. While the story was interesting, it really got to a point where it seemed every minute of every day was being described in detail. I think this… Read more »
FeatherBlade
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FeatherBlade
2 years 8 days ago

I think that the Girl Genius team have permanently recused themselves from ever again receiving a Hugo, because they kept winning.

kastandlee
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kastandlee
2 years 7 days ago

No. They recused themselves for one year, and the voters mistakenly thought they said “forever,” so they had to explicitly said they meant one year. They then were nominated this year. I was talking about this with them just yesterday on the last day of Worldcon.

Khazlek
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Khazlek
2 years 7 days ago

You have to accept the nomination to be on the ballot. If they were still recusing, they wouldn’t have been on the ballot.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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@Khazlek – I’d heard somewhere that Neil Gaiman asked that The Ocean At The End of the Lane not be included in the Hugos. I actually have no idea it’s true. I’m admittedly a little scared to go look online (because I expect finding lots of SJW screeds as opposed to reality) … so I guess that the author having to accept the nomination in order to be on the ballot makes sense, and I didn’t know that. … And yeah, I didn’t find anything on it, only how people were unhappy about how ‘manipulative’ it was of Gaiman to… Read more »
bjlinden
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bjlinden
2 years 3 days ago
@Shadow Huh, interesting. That was one of my nominations, and more than any other I was flabbergasted that it didn’t make it in there. Even more than things like Warbound and WoT, Ocean at the End of the Lane was not only a good book, but it ALSO seemed like something that would be right up the Hugo voters’ alley. All I could think of when I saw the final nominations was “WTF? How did all these beat Ocean at the End of the freaking Lane?” I never stopped to consider that the whole Ross controversy would have soured the… Read more »
Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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I preordered Ocean at the End of the Lane and it’s sitting on my “To Be Read” bookshelf in the bedroom. I had no idea it was nominated, until I’d read somewhere (I can’t remember where, I’m afraid) that the nomination was supposedly turned down. As said I can’t find confirmation. =/

kastandlee
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kastandlee
2 years 3 days ago

@Shadowdancer: Neil Gaiman declined nomination for The Ocean At the End of the Lane. This is shown in the 2014 Hugo Awards Official Statistics on page 19. The work received 218 nominations, the second-highest number of any work.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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Thank you for that. Did he say why he turned the nomination down? *curious*

Kit
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Kit
2 years 8 days ago
You’ve been asking for a Hugo every year since you asked for a Hugo and a Campbell in the same post. Now granted, it *has* only been four years… but still, given that you’ve been asking for it for four years, people are naturally going to assume it’s something you actually want. So I’m not very impressed by your declaration that you always thought the grapes were sour. You certainly spent enough time jumping for them. If you could have jumped that high, you’d have eaten them and told us all how tasty they were. But by all means, prove… Read more »
bassmanco
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2 years 8 days ago

Uh, how is Larry pointing out what he thought would happen happening is sour grapes? He never said he wouldn’t be happy to win, but that he expected to lose badly. He also said his commercial success is more important to him (like any logical person).

Nice try.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG
2 years 8 days ago

Let’s see, according to the checklist, we have a possible #1, a strong #3, a very solid #4 & #5, and an arguable #7.

Kit, you forgot to make up a charge of racism.

Ascher Goodrich
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Ascher Goodrich
2 years 8 days ago

When exactly did he ask for a Hugo? Go ahead and try to find that for me. I’ll wait.

Synova
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Synova
2 years 8 days ago

I only became aware of this this year. I never got the impression that Sad Puppies was about winning so much as it was about increasing diversity and representation at the Hugos. A whole world of science fiction exists outside that fortress wall. Breaching that wall is a win. Anyone who believes in diversity or who believes in science fiction should view it as a win.

Of course, if your goal is to exclude the unclean, then you probably prefer the fortress walls.

michaelzwilliamson
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2 years 8 days ago

So, when does Larry kill the puppies? I was told he was threatening to kill puppies when he lost.

youretheworst
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2 years 8 days ago

Dang it, Mr. Correia. I discovered your Monster Hunter series before I was aware of your political views! I now have no choice but to continue to immensely enjoy your work! It’s especially funny because I discovered Mr. Scalzi through his political(I.E. “social justice”) views and, as a consequence, haven’t bothered to read any of his books.

oldnfo
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oldnfo
2 years 8 days ago

Exposure equals a win, and you did that Larry… And you’re a winner in the thing(s) that count. Real readers and bank accounts… 😉

Guest
2 years 7 days ago

I’m rather curious how many voters, after having read Warbound in the packet have gone on to seek out Larry’s other books….

DeTroyes
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DeTroyes
2 years 7 days ago

Don’t know. But I can say that I found a number at Loncon 3 who said they were surprised at how much they enjoyed Warbound.

Guest
2 years 6 days ago

Kinda sad that it would come as a surprise, like they had preconceptions…. alas, they probably won’t question them more broadly.

JB
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JB
2 years 8 days ago

Yes, Larry, you should cry. For it turns out, that Vox outhates you so much, that he managed to get twitter psychoanalysis from the Guardian village idiot.. so weep Larry, cry and sob!

mpoles
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2 years 8 days ago
I see on Scalzi’s blog that he’s using the argument that what you did would have been ok if you hadn’t recommended Vox Day because his political views show that he’s clearly eeeeviiiil. Yet Scalzi has in the past said very positive things about China Mieville. (In fact, I don’t remember any controversy when Mieville won all those awards for ‘The City and the City’.) So is Scalzi unaware of Mieville’s political views? (Which would seem unlikely since Mieville is quite open about them, in fact he stood in a General Election.) Or does Scalzi think that these political views… Read more »
SBP
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2 years 8 days ago

Y’all are living in Scalzi’s head 24/7, rent-free. He can’t get over you. You’re his moon, sun, and stars.

Disturbing, but true.

And yeah, anyone who hangs with China “Come for the Communism, stay for the Anti-Semitism” Mieville has no business casting aspersions on anyone else’s associates.

Jeff (@codemonkey1972)
Guest
2 years 8 days ago

There was a poster on Scalzi’s blog who declared that people who didn’t have goodthink should be denied awards because of the harm their ideology caused, regardless of the merits of their work. I innocently asked if that meant she couldn’t stand China Melville.

Guess who deleted that question? 🙂

SBP
Guest
2 years 8 days ago

Yes, it’s decidedly odd that “has demonstrably murdered 100 million people” doesn’t count as a ‘harmful ideology”, or at least not to the same degree as calling someone names on Twitter.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 8 days ago

By “ideology” she meant being white and not admitting to racism. That’s the ant farm’s idea of an “ideology.” Meanwhile they all use this shared gutterspeak unknown in America even a few years ago and think it’s just another day on the farm, as if Aristotle complained about “rape culture” and the Ottomans took white slaves because they were angry about their privilege. If Scalzi’s crew was any stupider they’d be scraping them off the hulls of garbage scows.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 8 days ago

The notion of the anti-hegemony, which means straight white Western Anglophone male being the norm, is straight out of Marxism. So Scalzi could care less.

JB
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JB
2 years 8 days ago

Screw Mieville, that’s small potatoes – what about Scalzi’s and the Rabbits warren association with MZ Bradely, Delaney or having a convicted child molester as a member of SWFA, what about those associations?

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 8 days ago

You’re assuming they’re against such associations.

pyredynasty
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2 years 8 days ago

Don’t forget that Equoid won best Novella. That was the one where Unicorns raped young girls.

Michael Kingswood
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2 years 7 days ago

“Don’t forget that Equoid won best Novella. That was the one where Unicorns raped young girls.”

In fairness, the unicorns were the bad guys, and the characters’ entire mission was to exterminate them. So it’s a little hard to claim the story endorsed the unicorns’ behavior.

I rather liked that story, actually. Not as much as Torgersen’s, but more than the others. *shrug* Different strokes, and all that.

Khazlek
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Khazlek
2 years 7 days ago

I also liked the Stross story and picked it 2nd after Torgersen’s. It isn’t the first Laundry files story I’ve read.

Stross is pretty politically outspoken, but he doesn’t seem to feel to urge to drag me through that to enjoy his work.

Matthew
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Matthew
2 years 6 days ago

Two words for you: Merchant Princes. When the antagonist is a very thinly disguised Dick Cheney, I think we can safely say his politics has intruded.

Also, his Laundry stuff has acquired strong traces of “UK spies are well meaning but a bit incompetent, whereas the CIA is EEEEVIIILLL”

DaveP.
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DaveP.
2 years 7 days ago

Khazlek: except for the constant harping on the eeevuls of George Bush, Maragret Thatcher, the English Conservative Party, Republicans…
Frankly I’ve stopped buying Stross’ stuff. He doesn’t need my money.

Lemming
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Lemming
2 years 4 days ago

I too am a bit confused by the EQUIOD win. Oh, not the unicorn rape. I believe it was meant to be disturbing rather than salacious, and it succeeded. Indeed, I think many of the individual scenes were brilliant.

But the plot, the protagonist, and the Laundry made no sense. To string those scene together required that the protagonist and his agency be blithering idiots. Perhaps it’d have made sense dramatically if at the end he reflected on how his decisions, and his politics, resulted in the death of so many people.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 8 days ago

Congratulations to the Hugo winners for their work in anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-Anglophonics, anti-Western, anti-hegemony, anti-Islamophobia, anti-erasure, anti-marginalization and anti-homophobia.

It was so successful I propose an award for literature. Could be a smash hit. Stranger things have happened. Remember! It’s a genre of the strange and weird so give it a shot WorldCon. And pass it on to the Nebulas as a brazen idea out of my own eccentric skull.

Jeff (@codemonkey1972)
Guest
2 years 8 days ago

Woo-hoo. Cited by Correia, retweeted by Instapundit (different tweets) all in the same day. 🙂

My first thought on the Orbit posting was that the writer was serious, but with enough sleep and reading comprehension, I’m thinking now it was sarcasm. @orbitbooks, of course, has gone silent.

Suppose I could check the writer’s political musings to determine which, but that sounds too much like work.

Guest
2 years 8 days ago

I forgot how much of a prick Scalzi could be. Which is sad, since his Old Man’s war series is pretty darned good. If he and his ilk want people to judge art by the artist’s politics, then he can reap the whirlwind. I won’t buy any of his stuff ever again. I hear Redshirts is rather subpar for a Hugo winner anyway. Maybe it’s a reward for being an SJW in good standing.

He was also pretty gracious over the “ballot stuffing” flap which makes this Twitter rant pretty juvenile.

Steve
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Steve
2 years 8 days ago
Redshirts is OK, but forgettable. It should have been a short story and didn’t deserve an award. 3 stars out of 5. I really liked Old Man’s War. The sequels weren’t quite as good but the first book was excellent and strongly reminiscent of golden age Robert Heinlein. Which is ironic because if Heinlein was writing today, Scalzi would be trying to get the Dean blackballed. I don’t usually care about an artist’s politics. I’m a huge Stephen King fan and he’s a dyed in the wool liberal. I like The Smiths and Radiohead even though I don’t agree with… Read more »
Tarl
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Tarl
2 years 8 days ago

I really liked Old Man’s War. The sequels weren’t quite as good but the first book was excellent and strongly reminiscent of golden age Robert Heinlein.

In short, he milked Heinlein for all he could, but the well went dry.

Damn you, Heinlein, why didn’t you write a sequel to Starship Troopers?

Khazlek
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Khazlek
2 years 7 days ago
Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 7 days ago

Scalzi is a funny guy. He’d for sure throttle Heinlein the same way he goes after anyone else who doesn’t confess to their white privilege. That whole PC crew at the Hugos is a laugh riot. They act like they’re freedom riders fighting the KKK or something. A lot of them Tweeted stuff like they’d struck a blow for freedom. The problem there is the PC were on the wrong end of bombs in WW II and would’ve been KKK in Mississippi.

Guest
2 years 2 days ago

@KHazlek – so just what the hell happened to Scalzi in the last 7 years? He sounds then like Larry now.

RoadRunner
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RoadRunner
2 years 8 days ago

I haven’t paid attention to the Hugo awards for many, many years. I’m just glad that Larry is winning the most important award: A large bank account and plenty of contracts.

Keep up the great work!

av willis
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av willis
2 years 8 days ago

The bottom line is that you proved that the goddess-king can bleed, (note the post-binary honorific for the institution, I understand it puts great stock in that, ) and we all had some laughs along the way.

NKR
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NKR
2 years 8 days ago

John Scalzi is a straight up douchebag. He has consistently built strawmen to attack Larry and anyone who supports a more SF dynamic field. Fascist that he is, he attempts to thwart all conversation that diverges from his world view by the aforementioned strawman building and character assassination, as well as by supporting organizational efforts to purge dissenters.

And they think Larry’s awful. Talk about unawareness of self.

VD
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VD
2 years 8 days ago
The problem with Scalzi isn’t that he’s a prick, although he is. The real problem is that he is shamelessly two-faced. The commenter who described him as “Janus” is keenly observant; Scalzi is a relentless suck-up right up until he believes he is in a position of power. Then he exhibits his true face. Anyhow, I’d like to publicly thank Larry, who has fully merited his International Lord of Hate title, as well as the rest of the Sad Puppies crew, authors, Worldcon voters, and general well-wishers, for what was easily the most entertaining literary award season I have ever… Read more »
Jim Scarborough
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Jim Scarborough
2 years 8 days ago
I’ve been an on and off Hugo voter and WorldCon attendee since the late 70’s. My first convention was Miami Beach in 1977. I thought this year’s slate of nominees was, for the most part, excellent. I’ve been a fan of the Grimnoir Chronicles series since book one and was pleased to see “Warbound” nominated as best novel. I enjoyed the book as I’ve enjoyed the two earlier ones but wasn’t at all surprised that “Ancillary Justice” won the award. It was a great book and deserved the win. However, I was very surprised at the overall voting results. “Warbound”… Read more »
Jim C.
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Jim C.
2 years 7 days ago
but wasn’t at all surprised that “Ancillary Justice” won the award. It was a great book and deserved the win. Everyone on the planet seems to like Ancillary Justice except me. I realize that these sort of things are a matter of taste and all that, but I dearly wish someone could explain to me the appeal of this particular book. Seriously. The plot struck me as both ridiculous and highly derivative, the dialog as silly and the characters as flat beyond belief. A city (or was it a planet?) named “Rrrrrr”? Really? Though this may also have been a… Read more »
Jeff (@codemonkey1972)
Guest
2 years 7 days ago

You weren’t the only one. Social justice plus mil-SF? I shouldn’t have even started reading it. Couldn’t bring myself to finish.

Michael Kingswood
Guest
2 years 7 days ago

Right there with you. I couldn’t make it past chapter two, it was so boring and obtuse.

Maybe I missed something better later on? *shrug* I’ll never know, nor am I interested in finding out.

DeTroyes
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DeTroyes
2 years 7 days ago

I finished it, at least. I thought it was okay, but not more than that. Take away the pronoun dancing, and it was a pretty derivative revenge drama. There were 4 (really, 18) other novels on the short list I enjoyed more.

I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest Ann Leckie may end up being a one-trick pony. The one thing about AJ that set it apart was her handling of gender issues in language; I’m not certain one can build a career on that alone.

keranih
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2 years 7 days ago
I actually liked AJ quite a lot, and I think it deserved the win – but it undertreated a great number of things – the divergent personalities, hive mind vs ant mind, – heck, it could have been a decent examination of post-invasion/occupation ethical conflicts. But it wasn’t. I’m hoping in the rest of the trilogy that the author expands on those, because I’m not sticking with the story if her only trick is to erase an entire gender via word choices. (A neat trick, to be sure, but what else can she do?) (And here’s hoping she at least… Read more »
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Guest
2 years 7 days ago

Hmmm, and look who slipped in a one-line comment. It’s like a virus, or an internet worm.

Definitely a worm….

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
2 years 7 days ago

He’s cropping up in sveral places to gloat, I’ve noticed.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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I haven’t quite figured out if it’s a Correia trigger or a Vox Day trigger that makes the thesaurus-diarrhoea worm appear. Either, or, and/or both?

Guest
2 years 3 days ago

Probably any single match to his enemies list. It’s a long list, so he only has time to write one line saying they stink. Then he has to monitor for replies.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 8 days ago

“John Scalzi @scalzi
RATIONALIZE YOUR HUMILIATING DEFEAT SOME MORE PLEASE IT GIVES ME THE TINGLES IN A DEEP AND PRECIOUS PLACE YES YES THAT’S IT”

Is that a live feed from his 40 acre Bar-Privilege lawn-ranch in Albinoville?

Book
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Book
2 years 8 days ago

Wow. Look at the slime trail he’s leaving on Straw-Larry.

Eeewwwwwww

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
2 years 8 days ago

Go home Scalzi, you’re drunk.

deadcenter
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deadcenter
2 years 5 days ago

He and Chris Matthews should get a room.

Rick C
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Rick C
2 years 8 days ago

Larry, you are too vanilla, Sad Puppies 3, Black Tide Rising series. “Oh no John Ringo NO” I would not want to stoop to SJW levels but i would be tempted to buy memberships for my cats

Ted N
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Ted N
2 years 7 days ago

Oh dear, the meltdown if Mr Ringo made it on the ballot would be wonderful.

We thought we’d seen crazy, that would being out a whole new order of magnitude.

Nathan
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Nathan
2 years 7 days ago

He was only a couple votes away, as was Sarah. But a ballot next year consisting of To Sail a Darkling Sea would be cool. (And John C. Wright’s Judge of Ages.)

Matthew
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Matthew
2 years 7 days ago

Well, he *did* win that romance award…

Oh John Ringo… Hell YEAH!!!

davefreer
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2 years 8 days ago
Dear Larry – of course I got it. I’m an obnoxious lunatic, but I’m not stupid. You’d have to be 2/3 brain dead or so far up a place where the sun don’t shine not to see it. I’m still mildly gobsmacked that our dear little friends took a long hard look at the ‘beware open cesspit’ signs and walked forward into it even faster. As one of those authors I’d like to add my name to those thanking you. Now I would like to see the victory dance. My choice is the Limbo, because it is fairly important to… Read more »
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Book
2 years 8 days ago

“My choice is the Limbo, because it is fairly important to see how low International lords of hate can go.”

I admit. I snorted.

RightWingProf
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RightWingProf
2 years 7 days ago

The Larry Limbo – thanks for that unfortunate image. I need some Brain Bleach. Outstanding.

Dorothy Grant
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2 years 3 days ago

Brain bleach? Heck, I need a limbo stick, and to see if I can talk Bridget and the kids into pressuring Larry into it, in the spirit of laughing good fun!

That, or get Larry, Sarah Hoyt, my husband, and some other authors and families together for a rousing couple rounds of minigolf.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
2 years 8 days ago

What really grinds my gears is hearing these delusional SJWs crowing that this was “a victory against fascism”. My grandfathers fought in WW2. They did a helluva lot more to fight fascism than these keyboard commandos. If a real war against real fascists broke out tomorrow, most of these bozos would be protesting against it.

Murphy7
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2 years 8 days ago

I suppose the SJWs crowing about their victory for fascism would be cutting too close to the truth.

I mean, fascism does not brook disagreement with the ruling body, no?

DaveP.
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DaveP.
2 years 8 days ago

Roger that. My two uncles who served in the ETO could talk some about a “victory over fascism”. These goombas? If they ever saw real fascism (or, come to think of it, the reality of the socialism they claim to want) they’d faint.

Tom Simon
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2 years 7 days ago

Hear, hear. Only one of my grandfathers served in WWII, but he was in WWI as well, so I think I have standing to agree with you.

(I say ‘served’ because he volunteered in 1939, when Canada entered the war, and was turned down because of his age. Then they drafted him a couple of years later, and he spent the rest of the war as groundcrew for the RCAF. He was epically angry that they drafted him instead of letting him honourably volunteer.)

Lucillalin
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2 years 7 days ago

“Victory against fascism”
I can’t imagine any American author of our time writing to actively promote fascism. Americans really don’t do fascism, its not in their character. You’d have to grab something European or Asian and high literature to get some of that – maybe Ezra Pound or Yukio Mishima. I’m a history student and did a lot of research on real Fascism few years back, so the constant abuse of the term is really irritating. Its just not an ideology that you see in science fiction.

Jeff (@codemonkey1972)
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2 years 7 days ago

Progressivism is American fascism.

Or, for fun, name one thing Mussolini did that Wilson and FDR didn’t try.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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Grandpa fought too, so I completely understand the grinding of gears.

But, this is so very true:

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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(*sigh* wordpress.)

This is the only thing the SJWs can do: pretend they have larger imaginary balls than everyone else. Imaginary. And that they couldn’t get away with what they do online IRL.

dgarsys
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dgarsys
2 years 8 days ago

Shockingly enough there are plenty of authors who don’t like the idea of having angry mobs sabotaging their careers and slandering them if they exercise their free speech in an unapproved manner.

And not just authors, as Brendan Eich and Gavin McInnes recently proved. Say band think not related to how skilled you are at your job and the hounds shall be released to chase you down and bring you at bay.

Guess
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Guess
2 years 8 days ago

John Scalzi basically said he likes Larry’s books in his blog post about the Hugos. His only issue with the Sad Puppy Slate is Vox Day. He had positive things to say about everyone else. His only criticism was including Vox Day. Thats it. The guy has made some statements that are questionably racist. No one else on the slate has ever done that.

Synova
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Synova
2 years 8 days ago

Well… not on the Sad Puppy slate at any rate.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 8 days ago

“Unquestionably” is a funny word in the SFF community when it comes to racism. Unless you are using a prank George Orwell 1984 dictionary, one must face the fact all four Hugo story winners and the J. Campbell winner have their own “unquestionably” racist quotes. Them claiming they’re not and that they’re in fact anti-racists doesn’t move me at all. I have a normal dictionary that takes no prisoners when it comes to racist comments.

Jim C.
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Jim C.
2 years 7 days ago

If all Mr. Scalzi had done was make that blog post about the Hugos, I’d agree with your point. Unfortunately, he went quite a bit beyond that with those ersatz (at least I hope they were ersatz) Tweets. Not funny and not true. And, to my mind at least, a smear against the entire “Sad Puppy” slate, applicable as they might be to VD personally.

Jeff (@codemonkey1972)
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2 years 7 days ago

Given the choice between a “questionable racist” and an actual pedophile, which side did Scalzi come down on?

Yep. Says all you need to know about him right there.

Patrick Chester
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Patrick Chester
2 years 8 days ago

Alas, I’m at work and can’t post a link to a YouTube clip I have favorited for when I run into antics like Scalzi’s little twitter screeds.

(Hint: Scalzi’s playing with his dolls again.)

Patrick Chester
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Patrick Chester
2 years 7 days ago

Back from work, so I can inflict this upon you all:
http://youtu.be/LMxTFqPET5I

😀

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 8 days ago
Now that radical feminism has conquered the Nebulas and Hugos, it won’t take people long to start ignoring each. The credibility of each is shot and these folks have nothing else to infiltrate into really. They can’t infiltrate into mainstream SF for the simple reason no one wants what they’re selling and future franchises like Harry Potter, Hunger Games and Twilight will remain completely decentralized and insulated. Mainstream SFF best-sellers have no conventions or connected fandom so there is no one to shame and persecute though trust me, they’ll try. It’s important to note the great liberal genius editors completely… Read more »
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Jim C.
2 years 7 days ago
What, pray tell, constitutes “mainstream SF” in this day and age? I’m quite serious with this question, since I personally have no idea. As in, has there been a “must read” book on a level with the Foundation series or, oh, I dunno, even Starship Troopers published in the past twenty years? It’s important to note the great liberal genius editors completely missed the boat with those 3 franchises. And of those “3 franchises,” only one comes close to being SF at all, doesn’t it? I also find it hard to believe that Suzanne Collins was rejected anywhere. She strikes… Read more »
Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 7 days ago
I meant those 3 young adult franchises as an example of a non-genre background not in terms of their literary merit or lack it. The authors don’t interact with or reach out to the SFF community in any way shape or form. None of the 3 come from core genre or seem influenced by it. There’s always been a divide between genre and mainstream SFF. Thorne Smith’s novel Topper is an example and so is the film Bell, Book and Candle. I Dream of Jeannie and Bewitched on TV are two others. The entire decade of the ’50s SF movies… Read more »
Jeff (@codemonkey1972)
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2 years 7 days ago

Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel superheroes, George RR Martin… drawing a blank on anything else that might be considered “mainstream.” 🙂

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG
2 years 7 days ago

What’s the proper term when elitist fans of a shrinking genre decry something popular as not being “real” examples?

quantumjet2013
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2 years 7 days ago
In terms of science fiction, I’m drawing a blank on a must read book from the last 20 years. Kim Stanley Robinson’s Mars series comes close. I discarded it, but not for political reasons. Too much of that series consists of the characters wandering around Mars, giving Robinson a chance to info dump on areography, ecology, politics and the condition of the colonies. It’s dull. Alistair Reynolds is too depressing. One of Ian Banks’ Culture novels? Vernor Vinge’s Fire Upon the Deep was twenty-two years ago. the Vorkosigan Series by Bujold To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis.… Read more »
Mike in Seattle
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2 years 7 days ago

What, pray tell, constitutes “mainstream SF” in this day and age? I’m quite serious with this question, since I personally have no idea.

Go read The Martian by Andy Weir. Right now.

Why are you sill here? GO.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 7 days ago

I don’t know about must-read but I liked Palace and the sequel The Eyes of God an awful lot. Katherine Kerr and Mark Kreighbaum wrote the first, Kreighbaum the second. I think Peter Hamilton’s Pandora’s Star/Judas Unchained and Commonwealth Saga is a must read and Fallen Dragon is pretty good. Infinity Beach by Jack McDevitt is definitely a must-read. Alistair Reynold’s The Prefect and Revelation Space are pretty good.

quantumjet2013
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2 years 7 days ago

Hey Mike, Writing Excuses promo’d The Martian and it’s on my list. With another recommendation, I’ll move it up a notch.

dgarsys
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dgarsys
2 years 7 days ago

Hey Mike, Writing Excuses promo’d The Martian and it’s on my list. With another recommendation, I’ll move it up a notch.

I’m only halfway through.

READ IT.

What are you still doing here?

engleberg
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2 years 7 days ago

I’d like to see the Hugo’s go to good stuff Hugo Gernsback would have liked. The only guy still doing that is Larry Niven. Not even on the ballot for The Goliath Stone this year. Bowl of Heaven probably won’t be on next year’s ballot. So the Hugo’s won’t represent old Hugo.

Oskari
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Oskari
2 years 7 days ago

Ok, not winning an award is no big deal for you. Fair enough.

However, I don’t think you demonstrated that there’s a “serious political bias in the awards”. What you demonstrated was that Hugo voters didn’t enjoy Warbound as much as they enjoyed Ancillary Justice.

I am a first time Hugo voter and I didn’t vote for your book (even though I think it was entertaining) because it didn’t blow me away like Ancillary Justice or Neptune’s Brood did. Simple as that.

I was not a part of any left-wing conspiracy (that I know of :D).

Richard Cartwright
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Richard Cartwright
2 years 7 days ago

Fair enough as unlike some other places….Whatever…Larry is not going to delete you for your opinion. That said it was not the voting, it was the vicious attacks aimed at Larry when the nominations were released that demonstrated the double standard and bias.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
2 years 7 days ago

Cora Buhlert, at least, is impressed with Janus’s ability to “predict” Larry’s response:

http://corabuhlert.com/2014/08/19/the-2014-hugo-awards-post/

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 7 days ago
In the first sentence from Buhlert: “…the slate of winners is highly diverse.” Here’s Scalzi from last Feb.: “The nominees for the 2014 Nebula Awards have been announced. Once again, it looks like a good and pleasantly diverse shortlist with lots of women and writers of colour included.” Ummm… and oh, by the way. Is the work any good? Buhlert links to Natalie Luhrs’ post with a title whose irony Luhrs cannot detect: “Faith in Humanity: Restored (For Now) or, The 2014 Hugo Award Winners” “Faith in humanity” as in Yaaay! good stories won? Luhrs writes “‘No Award’ coming in… Read more »
Bob TheDemented
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2 years 7 days ago
Well said, Fail Burton, well said. My mind is blown from the awesomeness of that post! Here’s something to ponder: this whole “cisgender” thing basically means that you accept the gender you were born with — you’re cool with who you are. Now, the PC/SJW/GHH crowd is constantly harping on us to “accept people for who they are,” ‘cuz accepting people for who they are is, like, really, really good and stuff. Yet, if you’re a “cis guy” — which means you accept *yourself* for who you are — you are the embodiment of double-plus ungood evil. So, going by… Read more »
Oskari
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2 years 3 days ago

“Ancillary Justice swept because it is proper intersectionalist fiction by an author who makes no secret of her disdain for ‘white cis males.'”

Urm. I don’t think so, necessarily. I voted for AJ myself and I have absolutely no clue what Leckie’s politics are. My guess is that most readers and Hugo voters don’t know and don’t care about what she thinks of white cis males (if she indeed has some quirky opinion on that). It’s a great book and an enjoyable read.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 3 days ago
I would agree most readers likely don’t know much about Leckie’s disdain for “white straight cis guys.” I disagree the Hugo voters were not aware of that. Look at these winners: BEST NOVEL Ancillary Justice by Ann Leckie BEST NOVELLA “Equoid” by Charles Stross BEST NOVELETTE “The Lady Astronaut of Mars” by Mary Robinette Kowal BEST SHORT STORY “The Water That Falls on You from Nowhere” by John Chu BEST RELATED WORK “We Have Always Fought: Challenging the Women, Cattle and Slaves Narrative” by Kameron Hurley (A Dribble of Ink) BEST SEMIPROZINE Lightspeed Magazine edited by John Joseph Adams, Rich… Read more »
Christopher M Chupik
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Christopher M Chupik
2 years 7 days ago

I realized today that the person behaving most like Straw Larry right now is . . . Scalzi.

Guess you really do become the thing you hate the most. 🙂

RKW
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RKW
2 years 7 days ago
You know, even after everything with Scalzi, I was going to keep my Old Man’s War books. I figured, sure, he’s an ass, but I like these books. I tried a few of his other books and just didn’t dig them the same way, but whatever, I still liked OMW. But this is the final straw. Seriously? Yet another Twitter tirade, using ALLCAPS, no less? If that’s seriously all the emotional maturity he’s capable of, I’m done with him. It’s not his politics that turned me off, it’s his attitude. So, I’m going to go sell my Scalzi books to… Read more »
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bjlinden
2 years 7 days ago
I made the mistake of actually trying to read Salzi’s blog post about these tweets. The bit that pissed me off most was this: “Who is this Twitter rant modeled on? Oh, you know. It’s an amalgamation of a couple few folks.” Seriously? And he has the gall to complain about the “I’m not passive aggressive, I’m active aggressive” line, after saying THAT? I’ll admit, I’m not a big fan of authors getting into twitter/blog fights with each other in general, but at least when you insult him, you have the guts to ADMIT that’s what you’re doing. That kind… Read more »
Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 7 days ago

“Retweeted by Cora Buhlert Paul_Cornell @Paul_Cornell · Aug 18 The biggest ever Hugo vote, and they voted for progress, they voted for an inclusive future.”

Scratch one very important Dr. Who novelist off my list I never would’ve read anyway as long as I have a telephone book or coffee grounds in the bottom of a cup to read.

DeTroyes
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DeTroyes
2 years 7 days ago

I stopped being a fan of Paul Cornell back in the 90s when he used to post on rec.arts.drwho, after he started going out of his way to mindlessly attack fellow DW novel writer David McIntee.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 7 days ago

“Retweeted by Cora Buhlert The Worst @popelizbet · Aug 17 Dear SF/F bigot brigade: enjoy the knowledge that even if you sell a few books you remain entirely irrelevant to the field & the future.”

But I guess skin is relevant because that’s by Elizabeth R. McClellan the proud author of “50 Books By POC Suggested Reading: Updated 2014 & An Evolving Work in Progress”

I’m pretty sure in my world a bigot is someone who recommends art by skin color. That’s the future of SFF – choosing work by skin because you claim it’s wrong.

DeTroyes
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DeTroyes
2 years 7 days ago

Loncon 3 attendee here.

At the official panel for the Hugo Novel short list, the panelists were actually quite complimentary about Warbound; several even described it as “a fun read”. And keep in mind, the panel was made up of mostly professional editors and reviewers. The only major criticisms they made were the violence, and that while fun, it wasn’t by any stretch the imagination Literary. Parasite came in for far more negative criticism than Warbound did.

Rick
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Rick
2 years 6 days ago
Larry, Thanks for making the point of the politicization of the awards process. It’s been true forever (Asimov writes about Hawks vs Doves at some conventions in the sixties but without the rancor of our current discourse—and those were pretty divisive times!). Still that era managed to recognize both Henlein and LeGuin, it doesn’t seem like we see as much diversity of thought now. You have written some good novels and it was great to see you recognized by a nomination–congratulations. I hope that after the dust settles from this Hugo awards that people will be more reflective about their… Read more »
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John C Wright
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John C Wright
2 years 6 days ago

What you said, “I believe I made my point about the Hugo Awards, which is that it slants so heavily to the Left as to leave three fourth of the readership unrepresented, and I wish, like a gentleman with dignity to congratulate the winners…”

What I heard, “blah blah blah blah …. I was at the gate reading a John C. Wright novel … blah blah blah….”

This is because I have the brain of a Garry Larson dog named Ginger:

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Brian Marshall
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I was reading some comments on the Fisking at tor post about the hugo awards, and while I find it a shame that Brandon or Larry didn’t win I can understand why. Brandon Sanderson posted a very good reason as to why he did not win. “Reading, digesting, and keeping abreast of an epic fantasy series is a time-consuming process, which sticks us with a catch-22 when it comes to awards. If volumes get nominated on their own, as George R.R. Martin’s were, they can’t be read alone, and have a handicap because they’re only one slice of a larger… Read more »
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