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Peter Grant on educating rapists

Since I apparently “lack nuance” and anything I say on this topic is automatically attacked, here is another piece from someone who actually understands how self defense works in the real world.

I posted Mike Williamson’s excellent piece earlier. Here is one from author Peter Grant. If you don’t know Peter, he has been everywhere and done everything. He’s been a warrior and a priest, and he has personally looked into the abyss of human evil.

http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2014/06/education-for-rapists-dont-believe-bull.html 

Peter also has a book out which is about his time as a prison chaplain. I recommend it, as well as his science fiction novels.

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Michael Z. Williamson sums up rape education and response
truittandson
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The ONLY thing rapists need to be taught is how it feels to be raped. Then they need to DIE.

Dave H
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Oh, please. Put ’em away or put ’em down, but all raping them accomplishes is creating another rapist.

pavepusher
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IIRC, that’s how some, perhaps many, of them are created, by being raped/molested themselves. Not sure how true that is, or what the stats are, someone somewhere has the studies for it, I’m sure.

Tully
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Complicated. Adults molesting children may be *a* factor in many cases, but doesn’t appear to be causative (“neither a necessary or a sufficient condition”). Child neglect scored higher.

Alpheus
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When I read some testimonies about rape collected for prison rape awareness, at least one talked about concluding that becoming a rapist was key in preventing rape itself; another talked about committing rape after leaving prison. So while it’s complicated, being raped *can* be a factor in becoming a rapist. But now that I think about it, that’s not Dave H’s point. His point is tautological: you cannot arrange for a rapist to be raped, without either creating a new rapist, or at least calling on the services of a rapist. So, yeah, put ’em away or put ’em down,… Read more »
cspschofield
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They may need to be taught what it feels like, but WE don’t need to learn what it feels like to teach them. And until the justics system visits serous consequences on prosecutors or police who fake ecidence or otherwise rig a trial, I must regretfully decline to support a death penalty. Now, if an intended victim kills a rapist, THAT I’ll applaud. To be clear; I’m not in favor of stopping executions. I’m in favor of putting any public official found to have railroaded an innocent man on trial. And if the innocent man was executed, they should be… Read more »
Dave W.
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Most recent example I can think of: Mike Nifong, the prosecutor in the Duke lacrosse case. Bastard got off easy. One day in jail, my arse!

junior
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Seriously. People who are knowingly involved in false accusations of rape should be spending lots of time behind bars. It’s a very serious matter, and can lead to destroyed lives regardless of the outcome of the trial. Or, as my journalism teacher put it (I had a semester at the local Community College), if you found out your next-door neighbor had been found “Not Guilty” of child molestation charges, would you let him watch your kids? Now with regards to rape, there are a tiny handful of times that I *am* in favor of capitol punishment for rape. Specifically, incidents… Read more »
The Phantom
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“To be clear; I’m not in favor of stopping executions. I’m in favor of putting any public official found to have railroaded an innocent man on trial. And if the innocent man was executed, they should be on trial for murder.” Absolutely. That’s the problem with the Death Penalty that lots of people screaming for it fail to address. What do you do when trusted officials use their positions as a weapon? Personally I have no faith in officialdom at all. I’m all for the rapist getting killed by his intended victim at the scene of the crime, and let… Read more »
mechgogogames
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As a rape survivor I have to disagree with the first half of that. NOONE deserves to be raped. Noone. Ever. Shoot them in the head, donate their organs, toss the rest to the coyotes and call it a day

Rich
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I find it amusing (and disturbing) that conservatives and libertarians like me are seen as irredeemably evil and should silenced/jailed/executed and rapists are not.

JP Kalishek
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funny that. The leftoids only feel the innocent unborn and anyone the hate politically should be killed. They do whine ocasionally about other deaths they bemoan, but they also refuse to do the right thing to bring about stopping it.

SPQR
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Well, now you are figuring out who they think their real enemies are. And their relative ranking of “crime”, between physical assault and ‘thought crime’.

CatThulhu
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Being raped once and attempted again I can say the only thing they need is executed. I was under age for both instances. One had been jailed twice already. That apparently did not do the trick. His family was also fine with his behavior. I don’t know how many he hurt, he finally died. But if what should have been done would have happened the first time he would not have hurt anyone else.

The Childlike Author
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Nuance: 1. a subtle difference or distinction in expression, meaning, response, etc. 2. a very slight difference or variation in color or tone. When leftists discredit an argument by saying that it lacks “nuance,” I like to tell them what the word means. Afterwards, I ask them why subtlety (synonymous with nuance) is important to addressing real world problems, and why directly discussing and facing real world problems is an invalid approach. It is a difficult question for them to answer, since they cannot say that directly discussing and facing real world problems is invalid, insignificant, or bad without them… Read more »
M. Kupari
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There are some interesting comments forming on the Padre’s article. Still the internet.

The piece itself was powerful, written by a man who has seen the heart of darkness, the depths of depravity that people are capable of.

Still, Peter’s a man, and he’s not a self-hating white guilt type, so the Scalzis out there will mock and dismiss him out of hand without even hearing what he has to say.

NR Pax
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It would be fun to point out to the SJWs that Peter is a real African American just to watch some heads explode.

htom
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Two superb articles that you’ve linked to; sadly, they are probably preaching to those who agree completely, but don’t have the skills to write such responses. Thanks for the links, I will pass them around.

ps. Thank you for the Grimnoir Chronicles; well-written science fiction in the old school, “what if, and then what happens?” That there may be more in that universe induces yearning on my part. Write, author, write! Please. 😉

FlyOnTheWall
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I’d like to point out that both Scalzi and Hines have agreed that self-defense can and should be part of rape prevention. Scalzi wrote: “Likewise, gun ownership, sensibly practiced, as part of (but not solely comprising) an overall security regimen? Sure.” Hines wrote: “I’m not gonna waste a lot of time here, and I’ll preface this by noting that as someone who studies and teaches self-defense, I have nothing against people learning to protect themselves.” You all know what that means, right? They’re both cismale gendernormative fascists! The One True Feminist Answer is that women shouldn’t have to learn self-defense,… Read more »
DaveP.
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Sorry. Those declarations don’t count because neither Scalzi nor Hines realy mean them. Only icky conservatives think that words mean something.

Dave W.
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Wow…. very sobering… powerful stuff.

Dorothy Grant
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You know, one of those wise pieces of advice I learned about writing is that a one-star review means you’ve reached someone outside your target audience. Which is why I find the one-stars for Peter’s prison chaplain memoir so funny. You see, he unapologetically and matter-of-factly lays out the fact that there are evil people in this world, and people who are criminally insane. The kind of people who end up in a federal max-security pen are not the reachable and teachable ignorant who merely need to know what’s appropriate to do. So this review: “I have never been to… Read more »
John Matus
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It really astounds me how people who describe themselves as progressive or liberal view the world. A good example of this is NPR host Terri Gross. She was once asked what she would do if she was mugged, “Well, I would hope to reason with them(the mugger)”.

Dianna
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I did talk my way out of a robbery. I smiled and said, “Let me see what I have here in my bag of boom!”

When I looked back up, he was setting a new land speed record.

I did not yell, “Wait! Wait! Weren’t you trying to rob me?”

Wes S.
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Truly horrific stuff, especially that second viginette. Unfortunately, they’re issuing thicker skulls and even more restrictive blinders to the special snowflakes these days.

…I’m just wondering how long it’ll take the trolls to show up over there to accuse the soldiers who dealt with the villagers – and their tormentors – of being war criminals…

junior
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Sometimes they really just don’t care. The US is bad. Period. Other people might be horrifically worse, but the US is just bad. To them, the US will always be bad until it’s perfect.

There is, of course, nothing wrong with striving for perfection. But you need to be careful that it doesn’t lead to singleminded tunnel vision, which all too often seems to be the result.

CACS
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Wes S.: To them the US will always be bad until it’s perfect For them it must be perfect as they envision perfection, and reality means that it can never be perfect in their view. Like many who live in denial of the multi-faceted and multi-layered causes behind the patterns of human behaviors by simultaneously embracing it and denying it they live to be disappointed. The argument of ‘if only we raised these people out of the poverty of their lives (whatever form that might take in these do-gooder’s eyes, lack of money to low self-esteems) and properly explained that… Read more »
David Lawson
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I’d love to read Mr. Grant’s take, but his blog site keeps redirecting me to some invalid page.

Bruce Burns
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I have been a victim of abuse and ine of the things I do to stop further assaults is volunteer with offenders in prisons. So I cannot say Never Any or All about terrible.criminals. Some do change. Many more do not. BUT the critical point which I wholeheartedly agree with is that sometimes the first and most koving thing to do for someone is to STOP THEM HURTING ANYONE by whayever means required.Guns and Martial Arts are great.keys to living in peace.

NateM
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Harsh stuff, but true. IMHO anyone who reads that and doesn’t want to shoot a rapist square in the dick is just..well, a pussy

jsf001
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That made you want to shoot a rapist square in the dick? That seems a bit tame, my thoughts were running much much darker. I am glad that I am not actually a person capable of committing those types of acts. At least I am pretty sure/extremely hopeful I am not. I hope I don’t have to ever come across evil like that face to face, because I really prefer not to find out one way or the other.

Doug Jones (Chief-45)
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Doug Jones (Chief-45)
One problem, not the only one, but a significant stumbling block, is we use the same words to mean different things. The definitions are skewed. The first time I came across this was about 20 years ago. Female came to the office to report that she had been raped. my case since I had been semi-specialized in sexual assault investigations at that point. I usually got the kid victim cases (which as a side note, never let an officer work those cases for more than a year or two or you’ll lose that investigator to burn out or something worse)… Read more »
Wes S.
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“They were talking mean about her even though she really could not make out the words they were saying. Thus she had been Emotionally Raped and wanted criminal charges pressed …”

And there you have leftist rape culture in a nutshell. It’s not about “rape” at all, it’s about thoughtcrime and the suppression of dissent.

Narf the Mouse
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We’ve all been near a group of people, had them suddenly laugh, and checked to see if they were looking our way.

Sane people then dismiss the paranoia.

oldnfo
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Peter tells the truth and doesn’t sugarcoat it… Nuff said…

salgak
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On a different tangent, thanks, Larry, for introducing me to Peter Grant and his books. We really need to book bomb him someday. . . I’ve gone through the first two of his “Maxwell” saga, and am VERY impressed: Hornblower in space, written by a tag-team of Robert A. Heinlein and Horatio Alger. . . .

Peter Grant
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Thanks, Larry, for your kind words: and thanks to everyone who’s visited and commented on my blog. That thread has hit a new all-time high for a single post on my blog, with almost 3,000 visiting it directly since it was published. I’m sure most of them were from here. Thanks, too, for your support for my books. I’m not in Larry’s league – yet! – but I’m trying hard, and it means a lot to me that so many of you saw fit to buy a book while you were browsing my blog. I appreciate it very much. Larry,… Read more »
Dave H
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Larry’s been doing book bombs for a while. Looks like he’s doing blog bombs now.

rawlenyanzi
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Glad to hear it. I really enjoyed Walls, Wire, Bars, and Souls.

Woelf Dietrich
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Just read Mr Grant’s post. Though it was not news to me, it still had a sobering effect. I’ve long been aware of the atrocities in Africa and to some extend, the cruel and savage measures drug lords use to intimidate and dominate. It is all just so sickening. Mr Grant’s post gave some much needed context to all the babble.

Narf the Mouse
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Steps:

1) Stop illegalizing stupidity.
2) Put all the drug lords on trial. I’m sure almost all of them have done something other than “enabling stupidity”.
3) Education and rehabilitation. The two things that’ve been proven to stop harsh drug use. Not always, but more than anything else.

Probably safest to post this anonymously
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In your rush to make fun of things, I think you’ve overlooked some valid points. The sort of “evil personified” people described here are not responsible for all rapes. And even when they are, educating those around them could achieve something. And not just in pistol handling (though that is education). I don’t know any remotely reliable sources of numbers, but here are some simplified stories the likes of which seem to occur pretty often, based on anecdote and rumor. In each of these stories, there is a false belief the correction of which would have prevented the rape but… Read more »
bjlinden
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The fact that you believe any of the examples you listed above would have been solved by further education highlights exactly what is wrong with the “rape culture” meme, and the moral relativism subscribed to by most liberals in general Let’s break down what is wrong with each one: Abdul believes that sex with a virgin cures AIDS. Or at least that there’s a chance. He has AIDS and can’t afford drugs, so he’ll grasp any straw. He doesn’t trust anyone to tell the truth about virginity, so he rapes a eight-year-old girl. He knows rape is wrong, but better… Read more »
Narf the Mouse
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Maybe we should teach kleptomaniacs not to steal. Except that kleptomaniacs already know it’s wrong, there’s literally no way they wouldn’t know it’s wrong without incapacitating brain damage or literally no concept of personal property (FYI: Kids in remote Africa can own tablets). It’s just that you never hear about the “kleptomaniac” who takes appropriate medication, goes to therapy, and pays for their items at the checkout. Because, after all, “Man with clinical depression eats ice cream and watches TV!” only gets viewers if it’s linked with “Nation getting fatter! Could mental illness be to blame?” Information on kleptomania obtained… Read more »
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Glad I gave the characters in these stories names 🙂 Abdul: Forget about responsibility. Imagine that eight-year-old is your daughter (she’s somebody’s). You’re setting out to save her. Sure, you can shoot Abdul afterwards, but that doesn’t save the girl from rape or from AIDS. You can’t shoot him first, because you don’t know who he is — you’d have to shoot thousands of people, most of whom are innocent, to be confident of getting him. You might try announcing “anyone who rapes my daughter will get shot”, but that doesn’t scare Abdul, because he’s dying anyway. You could try… Read more »
bjlinden
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Before I get back into the specific examples, I’d like to say that I think we’re pretty much arguing past each other, rather than with each other. Joe in PNG already basically said this, but I think it definitely bears repeating: There isn’t a single person on this thread who is arguing that education, in general, is useless or that we should stop trying to do it. Your argument seems to be “there are a lot of situations where education is useful in preventing rapes.” Not to make light of your argument or anything but, well, duh. That goes without… Read more »
Joe in PNG
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Another thing- how is education supposed to stop the person who gets turned on because something is “bad” and “wrong”?

Probably safest to post this anonymously
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Another thing- how is education supposed to stop the person who gets turned on because something is “bad” and “wrong”? That wasn’t one of my examples. I never said education could solve everything, only enough things to be worthwhile. Of course, the examples near the end (how educating the community can make it harder for rapists to hide) apply here too. Can we achieve anything by educating those rapists? Maybe. I don’t know how one comes to feel that way. My best guess is that it starts with the idea that good people have less sex, and virginity and saintliness… Read more »
bjlinden
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(It should be possible to gather more information. The first step would likely be interviewing some rather horrible people, and treating them with respect to keep them talking. I don’t think I’d have the stomach for that, but if anyone does, it would be a public service.)

Incidentally, that’s exactly what Peter Grant did, which is kind of the whole point of this entire blog post.

Joe in PNG
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We’ve tried education as a cure for drug abuse, drunk driving, littering, on and on. And while it may reduce some of the numbers, it doesn’t eradicate the problem.

And that brings us back to the crux of the matter, the original point that instead of teaching women to defend themselves, we should teach men not to rape. Even the most thorough education program cannot expiate the problem enough that women will not need to know how to defend themselves.

Narf the Mouse
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A point: Education never stopped drug abuse. But locking up someone for twenty for smoking a joint is much, much, much worse than smoking a joint, and education has done far more to stop illegal drug use than the “war on drugs”…And smoking joins and education have both done far less harm.

Point #2: I’ve never smoked a joint, and have no intention of doing so. That something is illegal is no excuse for cruel and usual punishment.

bjlinden
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@Narf the Mouse I don’t think I’m really understanding the point you’re trying to make regarding marijuana. You’re absolutely right that the war on drugs is causing more problems than marijuana use itself causes, and that education is more useful in that situation than increasing police power. But nobody here is advocating increasing police power. We’re all advocating self-defense, and developing the mindset that nobody is responsible for your safety but yourself. That’s pretty much the exact opposite of increasing police power. The question here isn’t education versus enforcement. It’s relying on other people to educate even more other people,… Read more »
Narf the Mouse
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Please read “Joe In PNG”‘s post again. He links education on drugs to “rape education” and a number of other things, thereby assigning, for example, an educational pamphlet on what marijuana actually does, to the same level of usefulness as an “educational” pamphlet intended to condescend and label approximately half the population as monsters. Which may not be what he meant to do, but that is what he wrote. Which is why I reiterated that education on drug use is helpful, and a “war on drugs” is not. Which has nothing to do with the first half of your post,… Read more »
bjlinden
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No, no, it’s not “drugs are bad, don’t do them,” it’s “drugs are bad, m’kay?” There’s a very specific difference. :op

Anyway, yeah, I was just confused as to what the war on drugs had to do with the topic at hand. It seemed like a strange tangent. Thanks for the clarification!

Narf the Mouse
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And also, RandomDude “knows” drugs are bad is not the same thing as RandomDude “knows” rape is bad.

RandomDude has to be a total creep not to know the second. To not know the first, he just has to be a fairly ordinary teenager.

Dorothy Grant
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“(It should be possible to gather more information. The first step would likely be interviewing some rather horrible people, and treating them with respect to keep them talking. I don’t think I’d have the stomach for that, but if anyone does, it would be a public service.)” Hey, the sample of Walls Wires Bars Souls is free. And you’ll see he included exact conversations where convicts explain themselves, with only the names, dates, and places changed to protect the guilty and their victims. If you want to know how they think, why they do what they do, and whether or… Read more »
Joe in PNG
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Narf, the War on Some Drugs was merely an example, not the cornerstone of my point. The idea that education can totally eradicate a problem is ludicrous.
And yes, drug addiction =/= rape.

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@bjlinden I agree that we’re talking past eachother on the general philosophical point. I’m still a bit confused about where you stand, but that’s not very important. On to practical matters. How do we stop evil people from committing rape? Presumably bullets will be involved at some point, but they alone are not sufficient. Very few people will be willing to shoot a rapist if they expect to go to jail for murder for it. If you shoot a rapist, you should expect the police to ask “was this really a rapist?”. And if they conclude no, the DA will… Read more »
Achillea
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re: Zarquod I hadn’t thought it was possible for the metaphors to get even more absurd, but clearly I was wrong on that score. At least you recognize that it’s absurd, which is progress I suppose, but it really doesn’t help to illustrate your point. Unless your point is you’re continuing to miss the point. Leaving aside Zarquod’s apparent ability to move at superspeed, unless he arrived yesterday from another planet, he knows perfectly well that being sodomized is not universally welcome. In fact, he knows perfectly well that, absent some prior arrangement with that individual, simply walking up and… Read more »
Dave W.
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“The vast majority of rapists know perfectly well rape is not acceptable behavior and they do it anyway. They need to be put in prison. The ones who ‘sincerely believe’ it’s okay need to be put in asylums.”

Thanks, I’m saving that. Better brief summation than anything I came up with 🙂

Fail Burton
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Your daily words of wisdom from QUILTBAGGery: “Beth Bernobich ‏@beth_bernobich 20h In case anyone was unclear on the subject, I still think LC and VD are worthless pieces of toxic waste. I see no reason to tolerate them. “Cora Buhlert ‏@CoraBuhlert 20h @beth_bernobich Plus, they attacked me personally and flooded my blog with troll comments. I’m not tolerating people who attack me. “Cora Buhlert ‏@CoraBuhlert 20h @beth_bernobich They attack anyone who speaks out against their racist and sexist bullshit. “Beth Bernobich ‏@beth_bernobich 20h I sometimes wonder if the MRAs and white supremists of the world expected us all to continue… Read more »
Dave W.
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Wow, their projection, it burns like stupid!

Narf the Mouse
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So you call Larry a “racist, facist white pig”, then are shocked and horrified when he fights back?

There’s a word for doing that. I can’t recall what it is, but supposedly, it’s a bad thing.

Dave W.
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Alinskyite, statist, Marxist, hypocrite…. take your pick

Joe in PNG
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As the old legal saying goes, if neither the law nor the facts are on your side, then pound the table a lot.

Narf the Mouse
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“Bully”, “Thug”, “Abusive”…

It’s the same line of thought that lets bullies get away with playground violence, “because if you tell, then you’re a rat.”

NR Pax
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Wow. They whine a lot, don’t they?

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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*laughing* I’ve been told that the SJWs are running around on blogs I’m not on or reading, declaring that I blame rape victims. I’m sure they’re having lots of fun making stuff up that I never said. In the meantime, I spent the day having a very nice nap, and made delicious food for my household.

Coconut
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“…made delicious food for my household.”
Perpetuating Patriarchy like the Russian Pope.
By your own confession, you are Worst Feminist.

Of course you blame rape victims.
You probably hold the rapist’s trenchcoat so it doesn’t get muddy.

Dave W.
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Clampsy, is that you again?

palaeomerus
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If anything is rape then everything is rape and nothing is rape. As Humpty Dumpty illustrates: —————————————————– ‘I don’t know what you mean by “glory”,’ Alice said. Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. ‘Of course you don’t — till I tell you. I meant “there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!”’ ‘But “glory” doesn’t mean “a nice knock-down argument”,’ Alice objected. ‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different… Read more »
Peter Grant
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Yes, I had your stalker troll try to blame you on my blog. My comments all go to moderation after a post’s been up for three days, so his later efforts all came to nothing.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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I’m sorry his presence benighted your blog. I had a look and geez he posted a lot. Then again, this is a stalker troll who went over to someone else’s blog and said that I should be put in my place. Given that I have documented his own creepy sexualized obsession with me (Where he conflates a friend living with me and my husband to my having ‘spread her legs for another man’) I think it’s not too far of a stretch to understand that he wishes that I were beaten and raped to be put in my place. Also,… Read more »
Dave W.
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I hope I’m wrong, but this Coconut guy sounds awful Clamps-like.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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It sounds exactly like Clamps, thus I would not be surprised if it were him. Especially if he’s proxied to attempt bypass bans.

This is the guy who has really disgusting, inappropriate sexual thoughts about me, feels I should be put in my place, and I’ve documented it all in a nice warning post about this deranged piece of work.

Coconut
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I was being sarcastic.
Incredibly so, actually.

Who’s Clampsy?
I only started reading blog comments recently.

Coconut
Guest

Anyway, I commented because I thought it funny.
There being nothing feminists hate more than anything sounding like Traditional Gender Roles and you saying you like cooking.

Jordan S. Bassior
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Eww … did Yama actually say that creepy thing about you and A?

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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Yes. I took screenshots of the exchange too.

Coconut
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…and I only just notice how the last bit can be misread.
Not what I meant at all.

I’mma put the shovel down and not even try explaining, because I’m pretty sure my brain was out for lunch at the time.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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… ok you can’t be my stalker. That guy never admits mistakes. My apologies. Your initial post really sounded like him.

Wes S.
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@Shadowdancer: Yeah, I had wondered if that was Clamps putting in a guest appearance at Peter Grant’s blog, the way he singled out both you and Phantom.

Some people have absolutely not a speck of actual humanity, and Clampsie seems to be a prime example.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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@Wes S: He’s finally a prime, shining example of something, he should be proud!

I should reiterate that I don’t think Coconut there is Clamps, though I did think it before, given his initial comment. Clamps is categorically incapable of poking fun at himself/ self-depreciating humor OR admitting a mistake.

ConantheCimmerian
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Larry,

You need go to Vox’s blog.

Over the last couple of days he has posted on the SFWA pedophilia scandal that has largely gone unreported.

It is much, much larger than had previously been thought:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/06/sfwa-still-harbors-child-molesters.html#comment-form

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-complicit-silence.html#comment-form

ConantheCimmerian
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Larry,

Have you seen Vox’s latest on the SWFA excusing and covering for pedophilia?:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/06/sfwa-still-harbors-child-molesters.html

and

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-complicit-silence.html

palaeomerus
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There’s really not much point in discussing rape until the meaning of that word gets solidified and standardized in some kind of way such that anyone can identify it by and distinguish it from other things by a threshold, a preponderance of indicative components, a structure, a sequence, a signature, or somehow that yields consistent or repeatable results within some confidence level. If your definition has grey areas then expect your method to fail a lot in those grey areas. If your definition is sufficiently mutable then whatever results will be arbitrary and capricious.

Narf the Mouse
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Two (or more) consenting adults having sex is not rape.

Anything else is.

I don’t know how that can be made clearer.

junior
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Which is no doubt why so many of them focus on the word “consent”.

“He slipped her a roofie! So she didn’t give consent!”

Okay, fine.

“He got her drunk first!”

Shakier ground here, but if provable…

“They were both drunk, which means she didn’t give consent!”

Um… wait a minute here…

jabrwok
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And then you have to wonder about people (not just women of course) who know they’re too uptight and/or socially awkward to successfully pull off a one night stand (or even casual flirtation) and *intentionally* drink enough to lower their inhibitions so they have a better chance of getting some.

palaeomerus
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And I’m not sure sex is even required in some definitions. Or an attempt at sex. Or an attempt at something contextually associated with sex. Then you have to define what is sexual intent. Or a rapist’s intent. Then there are people who seem to be taken very seriously, who claim that the motive for rape is domination not sex so that broadens things even more. Then you have those who claim that contributing to rapes (including those unreported) somehow indirectly by not fighting them hard enough by agreeing with the and supporting the “antirape” speaker is essentially rape by… Read more »
junior
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The feds didn’t even track rape of males until 2012. Prior to that, any rape statistics from localities that included males as victims was automatically thrown out. And when the change to the Federal tracking was made, they had to simultaneously create a new rape category – “forced to penetrate”. While male on male rape makes up a sizeable minority of rape cases where males are victims, female on male rape makes up the majority. And the culture as a whole often has a hard time accepting the idea that a female forcing herself on a resisting male is a… Read more »
BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
The alcohol thing can be taken a step further, if you really want to have fun. Alcohol impairment depends on the amount in the brain. The amount in the brain varies somewhat in regard to BAC. BAC varies with regard to alcohol ingested. These variations change from person to person, and are influenced by drinking history and inherited factors. So, what is drunkenness as far as consent is concerned? Where do you set the threshold? Certain approaches seem to assume setting the thresholds at one extreme, which in this case implies that someone who had even a partial glass of… Read more »
Fail Burton
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Probably time to start thinking about full-page ads in Variety.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/06/another-letter-to-sfwa.html#c9039317386856145717

Fail Burton
Guest

“A petition!!! A petition!!! Bernobich!!” – Monty Python and the Holy [Redacted]

Fail Burton
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Just a day or so ago I mentioned how these oddball QUILTBAGs keep using this thing called the “missing stair” analogy and how every time they do it they link you to this “Pervocracy” page which descends into some truly foul bondage and masochism stuff. I mean some really crazy shit.

Well, they’ve done it again – today! This time – incredibly – by the woman supposedly most against the MZB allegations of child-rape:

http://deirdre.net/some-thoughts-on-the-missing-stair-analogy/

That takes you to her site with the same link to “Pervocracy.” I’m telling you, these people are completely weird and clueless.

Narf the Mouse
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Well, you see, that still involves consenting adults.

Even if one of them is consenting to being beaten, and therefore needs serious psychological help.

And if you’re so messed up you associate torture and pleasure, I have to wonder if you’re mentally competent to make that decision.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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…. hear that? That’s my brain stomping hard on the brakes. Let me get this straight. This …community… for BSDM or sex positivity ( both? I honestly… can’t tell right now because my brain is still stopped on this one thing:) Tolerated a rapist and everyone knew about him and only ‘ostracized’ him?! AFTER he abused several other women And didn’t report it… Reading through the rest… oi. *doublefacepalm* CONTINUING WHEN SOMEONE SAYS THE SAFEWORD IS RAPE. No ifs, buts or maybes about it. I’m …arrrrrrgh~! Not reporting because it puts the BSDM scene at risk… is what will make… Read more »
Fail Burton
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I read that stuff a long time ago cuz QUILTBAGs are always linking to it and using the phrase “missing stair.” It’s so nuts I don’t want to quote the stuff. But “fireplay and bloodplay”? Who knew there were such nuthatches? And organized into group meetings and conventions. Just… WOW.

junior
Guest

Not reporting because it puts the BSDM scene at risk…
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The same rationale was used against the masseuse that Al Gore attempted to solicit for prostitution. When she told her friends about the incident after the fact, they encouraged her to keep silent because going public with what had happened would damage the cause.

Fail Burton
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Here is the way intersectional QUILTBAG principles work: several tens of millions of Americans using a common vulgar slang is an expression of women-hatred and enables a casual attitude that results in “rape culture” which leads to rape. Giving a lifetime achievement award to a man who supports an organization like NAMBLA which advocates the institutionalization of what is now statutory child rape and pedophilia is mom and apple pie. Giving paranoid anti-white Guest of Honor speeches that calls for a virtual race war is supported whole-heartedly by intersectionalists. Opposing such bigotry is reactionary white male supremacist racism which fears… Read more »
Narf the Mouse
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With some people, the thought process goes something like this: “I have reached a conclusion, therefore the conclusion is right.” -> “The conclusion is right, therefore I am right.” -> “If I am right and the conclusion is right, anyone who opposes me is wrong.” -> “Therefore, anyone who opposes me supports the enemy.” -> “Therefore, anyone who opposes me is the enemy.” There are a few key flaws in this line of argument. The most subtle is the infallibility assumption. I’ve seen that exact same line of thought used in debates on tabletop role-playing games, BTW. Only substitute “bigoted”… Read more »
TRX
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I first heard about the MZB thing here, and found other mentions in some of the linked articles and blogs.

What I’m coming away with is, if all these goody-twoshoes morality police knew all about Bradley’s supposed criminal acts, why didn’t they speak up then, instead of fifteen years after she was dead?

If MZB was in fact sexually abusing her daughter, then all the people who knew and chose to say nothing are equally guilty.

And if Bradley didn’t do it, they’re guilty of libel.

Either way, these people are something I would scrape off my shoe.

Dazed1
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Larry, I know you don’t need anyone to defend you or give affirmation to your beliefs but I just want to say keep fighting the good fight. Speak up and let the worms crawl back into their holes. Sometimes it just seems so draining having to constantly struggle with these osmotic personalities that cannot or will not attain the ability to think for themselves.

I cannot abide the constant preaching of victim mentality. I bought one of the first run of your Molon Labe hats and shirts back in TFLs heyday. Don’t let those weenies get to you.

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