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I got into a Twitter fight with Scalzi and it ended up on Twitchy

I got into a Twitter fight with author John Scalzi yesterday. There’s no need to write up a blog post detailing that because Twitchy already did it for me. Thanks, Twitchy!

http://twitchy.com/2014/06/19/monster-hunter-author-larry-correia-targeted-for-departing-from-rape-culture-orthodoxy/

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Jeff Jonsson
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2 years 9 days ago

Scalzi is insufferable. He’s as arrogant as Saturday is long (June 21st get it?)

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

And let me just say that that was a fun case of Whack-A-Troll. 😉

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
2 years 9 days ago

Scalzi is blogging today about how guns aren’t good for self-defense. Strangely enough, not a single reference to the Larry Correia article that started it all, or even to Hines. Someone reading his blog who was unaware of the Great Twitter Throwdown would have no idea what prompted this.

Unlike Scalzi, I’ll provide a link 😉 :

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2014/06/19/a-former-marine-corps-weapons-instructor-on-the-desirability-of-guns-for-self-defense/

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

Department of Justice apparently disagrees with Scalzi:

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape-sexual-violence/campus/Pages/decrease-risk.aspx

“Don’t resist, it just makes it worse,” we are told by the Left.

What a contemptible lie.

kilteDave
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2 years 9 days ago

Really, that’s more about how they want you to react to their inexorable progress toward the dictatorship of the proletariat and the ultimate workers’ paradise.

Lea
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Lea
2 years 9 days ago

For home defense, I doubt you’ll do better than a large dog, but I have nothing against guns either. Most of the stats I’ve seen end up including the ‘husband kills wife on purpose with their gun’ as a gun getting turned against you. That seems problematic in many ways.

And man, that linked article to the former marine is not terribly convincing.

tweell
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tweell
2 years 9 days ago
I love dogs and would encourage folks to have and cherish them for many reasons, home defense among them. Still, a prepared invader can incapacitate the largest and most aggressive dog with a squirt of pepper spray or a handful of cayenne pepper. This is why you back up your best friend with a firearm. Our dog stopped a fellow who pushed past my wife when she answered the door – he saw Luna charging and made a very quick exit. She grabbed her pistol just in case the guy came back, checked to make sure, then gave Luna the… Read more »
Nicole
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Nicole
2 years 9 days ago

I always thought that any bad guys that break into my house would have to be touched in the head. Who would break into a house with two Great Danes? Specially since Heavy Jake Harlequin is 150lbs of “WTF are you doing at MY house” if anyone so much as knocks. At the very least a big dog buys seconds of response time.

av willis
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av willis
2 years 9 days ago
Most of that article can be narrowed down to one simple word, Training. Training on how your gun works, (it also begs the question who the hell field strip their weapon before storing it under their bed,) training in how to shoot said weapon, training in weapons retention, and training on how to react to different scenarios. Guess what, most of that training can be found in the classes Larry was advocating in the first place. His point on shooting to kill and not maim was a semi-valid point, (it ignores the hundred of cases where the sudden and unannounced… Read more »
T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

And the reason that John Scalzi should be listened to is, what exactly?

I mean, what particular expertise does he have that’s remotely relevant for such a thing?

Oh, that’s right. None.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

I’m a military veteran, a brown belt judoka, and shooter with some small experience. What exactly are Scalzi’s credentials for use of force exactly?

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

As a veteran and man who spent the last decade studying violence and the asshole who use it to prey on others, I’ve got to say I can’t see a damn thing he’s done that qualifies him to have anything to say on it.

Chris H.
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Chris H.
2 years 9 days ago

Larry (and his readers) 1, Scalzi 0 –Wow, like the score of a World Cup game, but far more entertaining. I defy anyone to name an instance where a shot dead rapist ever committed the crime again. Seems more effective than “Rape is naughty” from a bunch of celebs.
BTW, Nemesis was awesome, next please!

diehard316
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diehard316
2 years 9 days ago

I wonder how Scalzi would react if I ran his books out to the range for a few dozen rounds of .45ACP review…..

Morlock Publishing (@MorlockP)
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> Strangely enough, not a single reference

“Strange” – hah!

Scalzi exemplifies most of the worst traits of teenaged girls – a desire to win rather than to be right, a desire to destroy people’s reputations rather than engage with their ideas, a desire to preach to the chorus rather than engage with adversaries.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
2 years 9 days ago

It’s hard rto convey sarcasm in a post with adding “sarc”. 😉

Mike
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Mike
2 years 9 days ago

In truth, you can be a bit churlish, and Scalzi is a pussy…

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

I think he prefers to be called a Cowardly-American.

James
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James
2 years 9 days ago

I love the accusation that you’re being passive aggressive, Larry. Like it isn’t obvious with the MHI logo that you like smilies.

dyingearth
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dyingearth
2 years 9 days ago

Larry is proud of being Actively Aggressive. Something his opponent found the need for trigger warning.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

Honestly, is there anything about Larry that can be described as “passive”?

Eamon J. Cole
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Eamon J. Cole
2 years 9 days ago

Well, I thought the goatee was kind of passive. Then I saw the hobo beard and I reconsidered.

🙂

^^That’s for you, John!

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

Fair enough.

On an unrelated note, I’m glad I’ve let my own goatee go and now have a proto-hobo beard. 😀

Eamon J. Cole
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Eamon J. Cole
2 years 9 days ago

Glad to hear it. You can’t be showing up at the patriarchy meetings in a goatee, people would talk…

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

Yeah, it would be almost as bad as bringing snickerdoodles.

Eamon J. Cole
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Eamon J. Cole
2 years 9 days ago

Yeah, only a couple of us can pull off snickerdoodles.

It’s okay, though, you’ve got the beard to offset your fondness for smooth whiskeys.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

While it’s a preference, it’s not exclusionary, just for the record. 🙂

Eamon J. Cole
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Eamon J. Cole
2 years 9 days ago

Oh, the record’s clear, my friend. The record is clear.

Wesley Nichols
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2 years 9 days ago

Snickerdoodles are AWESOME!

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

But the name is impossible to take seriously. 🙂

Dave W.
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2 years 9 days ago

The only thing better than smacking around a lefty douchenozzle is when the smack-around gets on Twitchy. Large audience, new readers, get paid!

Jabari
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Jabari
2 years 9 days ago

Haha no kidding. Check out the comments – lots of plugging of Larry’s books. Don’t know numbers of Twitchy’s views, but it has to be up there. Great new audience to be exposed to for sure.

Mike_in_Kosovo
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Mike_in_Kosovo
2 years 8 days ago

lots of plugging of Larry’s books.

(innocent look)
I’m certain that I have no clue as to what you may be referring…

Alan
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2 years 9 days ago

I am touched by the immense irony of your detractors, Larry. Remember, this whole debate started because they attacked a woman, namely Miss Nevada. And, after attacking her, they dare insinuate that her supporters are somehow “pro-rape”.

The truth is much more sinister: yes, Scalzi and Mary Robinette Kowal are anti-rape, but they are also anti-gun, and when caught between a rock and a hard place, their anti-gun instincts trump their anti-rape ideals. So, for them, it is better that a few women get raped if it keeps guns off the streets.

I am sick and tired of people like that.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago
Mr. Correia, I had an enjoyable time reading the Twitchy transcript of your’s and Mr Scalzi’s Twitter battle; very entertaining. As for the word that Mr. Scalzi cited that you can be misogynistic in your word choices, he is spot on with this example. The very definition of the word, a weak, cowardly, or effeminate man, implies the inherent weakness of being a woman and the superiority of “being a man.” As misogynist is defined as a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women, I believe Mr Scalzi to be on point. Granted you may not have… Read more »
Jabari
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Jabari
2 years 9 days ago

Are men and women equal? (Not: “equal before the law”, but “equal in all aspects”)

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Equal in terms of what? Physical strength? Intelligence? Toughness? If it is physical strength of course not and there in lies the issue. Physical strength is not the barometer by which we should gauge which gender is superior and by using a word that is associated with weakness we still give credence to that philosophy. As for toughness, well women got men beat. Hands down.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

Physical strength is not the barometer by which we should gauge which gender is superior

Did anybody say anything about superior or inferior?

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago
Of course not, but as a reader I inferred you were implying that men and women are not equal in all respects and the the use of the word derives from the fact that men hold a SUPERIOR edge in strength and women are then in fact weaker. Would you have been happier if I had written, “Men strong, women not as much”? So now let’s focus on my word choice and not the issue. Awesome. Plain and simple the word is misogynistic in origin. There is no getting around that. Does it imply that to use the word one… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

I inferred

That’s on you.

BTW, care to define “toughness” in a way that’s mensurable and thus allowing for comparison to justify your claim regarding that? Or is that just rah-rah?

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Here you go: Childbirth.

jabrwok
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jabrwok
2 years 9 days ago

I’ll see your childbirth and raise you kidney stones. I have it on good, female, authority that the latter are much more painful.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Have had kidney stones. Painful. Yet they are usual not the size of a watermelon. And you don’t consciously choose to have them, again. A lot of women have more than one child and to go through it again is awe inspiring.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago
Yet they are usual not the size of a watermelon. And babies don’t generally come with sharp jagged points and edges. And the vagina is a bit larger and more elastic than the urethera. As for “choose to have them” how many women have I heard say “you forget all the pain when you first hold your baby.” The mind has a remarkable way of “fuzzing” and distancing itself from painful events, particularly when paired with joyous ones. But, for sake of argument, let’s ignore all that and give you everything there regarding childbirth. Childbirth is still a very specific… Read more »
jabrwok
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jabrwok
2 years 9 days ago

Urethras are much narrower than vaginal canals, and didn’t evolve to distend that much. You also don’t get a hormonal rush, nor a child, nor a lot of orgasms, with kidney stones.

Regardless, that’s second hand. As thewriterinblack said, childbirth (the painful part) is involuntary. Enduring something that’s unavoidable once you’ve gotten knocked up might be impressive, but it says nothing about the relative toughness of the sexes.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago
Childbirth Ah, that one. Somehow I knew you were going there. You are aware, are you not, that once you reach a certain point, that baby is coming out, whether one wants it to or not. Scream, object, wish otherwise all you want, it’s going to happen. One cannot take credit for involuntary reflexes. Consider instead another issue which involves pain. I used to do competitive bicycling. One of the truths of the sport is that the winner is the one who can push deeper into pain and maintain it longer than the others. It’s very much a “toughness” game.… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago
Married? Have kids? Siting with some nice ladies and showed them your response. Much laughter ensued. My opinion child birth is awe inspiring. And to do it again willing is unbelievable. Your analogy just shows that yes men are SUPERIOR at physical activities and can have better times than women; does that mean women aren’t out there competing? Um no. Check out the 100 mile running endurance races women do well. Historically women have been the cornerstone upon which society has been built. Staying home raising children, making all that makes a home and in the modern era finding a… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

Married? Have kids?

As a matter of fact, yes.

Your analogy just shows that yes men are SUPERIOR at physical activities and can have better times than women; does that mean women aren’t out there competing?

Your claim was that women were tougher. Thank you for the concession that you were wrong.

Check out the 100 mile running endurance races women do well.

Your claim was “tougher.” So compare those with the men’s times, hmm.

Now that’s tough.

The correct answer is “no, I don’t have any mensurable standards by which a comparison can be made; all I have is rah-rah.”

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago
Ok now some science. Women seem to have two more things going for them. First, they keep their immune system troops on active duty for longer. A large study by Japanese researchers recently found that although we all produce fewer B-cells and T-cells — key players in the immune system — as we get older, the decline is more rapid in men than women. Women also seem to be getting added protection from having two X chromosomes — which is what makes them women — while men have an X and a Y. Recently, it was found that the genes… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago
[stuff about B and T cells and how they decline with age] And as such live longer. Congratulations! You finally found something on which to back your claim. Old women have better immune systems (by this one measure) than old men. I’ll give you this too: women are less likely to have hemophilia than men because the relevant gene is recessive but carried on the X chromosome so the only way for it to end up paired in women is to have a carrier or hemophiliac mother and a hemophiliac father. This is called “grasping at straws”. Nobody has claimed… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

And I replied. And won. HA!

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

And won.

Bwahahahahahaha. Whatever you say:

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

Damn, I missed the closing blockquote. Larry, if you have an edit function, can you fix that? the closing blockquote comes after “live longer.”

Jabari
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Jabari
2 years 9 days ago

Interesting that you used the word “superior” in there. Where did I imply that one is superior to the other, or even raise that question?

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 9 days ago

Yeah, that’s why women aren’t drafted into the army; men are afraid a magic barometer will appear and make them look stoopid.

dyingearth
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dyingearth
2 years 9 days ago

re: thewriterinblack

It’s a feature. Larry wants the hater’s word to be permanent. No editing. You can always add another post for clarification, but no editing, no deletion.

Jonathan
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Jonathan
2 years 9 days ago
Greg, Wil Wheaton has an entire website called http://dontbeadickday.com/ Wheaton and Scalzi have collaborated on a number of projects and I believe that they are friends. I doubt that Mr. Scalzi considers Mr. Wheaton a sexist. Calling someone a dick is perfectly fine, it seems, but calling someone a pussy is sexist. I do not see Mr. Scalzi calling Mr. Wheaton a sexist. I do not think that Wheaton is sexist, but according to Scalzi’s logic he should be, no? The truth is that both ‘pussy’ and ‘dick’ have become figures of speech. Unfortunate ones they may be, but using… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Once again a word that infers certain characteristics that are effective of negative attributes associated with gender. Dick implies an uncaring, uncouth man. It too falls within the same context of pussy. Also I don’t believe Mr Scalzi called anyone a misogynist rather he pointed out that use of certain words do in fact reflect misogyny and that many readers are not aware of the connotations. Like the word dick which at roots is derogatory towards men.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

Also I don’t believe Mr Scalzi called anyone a misogynist

Your belief is touching, but it falls short of reality.

He did call folk “misogynists”, in so many words.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Well if we are to hold ourselves to the same criteria can you cite a direct quote where he said Mr Correia’s readers were in fact misogynists? All I read was that he stated we were “unaware”.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Re-read. Nope doesn’t say anything directly, but as you bring your own schema to reading I can see where you can infer he is calling you a misogynist. I however infer that he is implying that we readers may not understand that some words do reflect misogyny etc. I don’t find it condemning, rather it enlightens one to the nuances such words contain.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

He stated that Correia was unaware of the misogyny in his comments. Not quite what you just said there.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Kind of exactly what I wrote, so I am confused.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

I am confused.

I know you are. The only question is whether it’s deliberate.

No, what you wrote, and my paraphrase of Scalzi is not the same thing.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 9 days ago

So what does wishing I’d die in a fire “infer?” That I don’t? Where’s Scalzi or a single one of those pedantic semantic muffins on that one? No where. That’s cuz they’re not siding with right and wrong, but being pussies and kissing QUILTBAG ass.

James
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James
2 years 9 days ago

@Greg Wirtala: 120 characters and you ‘infer’ something that is never said or even implied? Bullshit.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago
I’m sorry, but this “calling someone a pussy is sexist” thing is absolute bullshit. It’s nothing more than the typical crap of trying to control people by controlling the language. If you don’t like something, then deem it offensive and squash it like a bug, but heaven forbid you address the overall point. Yeah, Larry called Scalzi a pussy. Everyone who read that knew exactly what Larry meant, so there wasn’t any real misunderstanding. All that happened was Scalzi deflected the discussion to make Larry look like the bad guy. Now we’ve got this pussy, Greg, in here telling us… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Yeah I never said anyone was a minsogynst just that the word pussy does in fact reflect how it came about. Please refrain from calling me names. I would not do so to you. Understanding words is important and how they came about is too. Please read more carefully next time.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

Like I give a shit if you call me names or not.

You come here, after that shit last night, and proceed to talk about where the word comes from, after I was called a misogynist about a half dozen times, and you really think I give a shit about your delicate feelings?

Go fuck yourself. I’ve had enough of this “Well, this is where the word comes from” bullshit.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Wow. No need to swear. Maybe a nap might be in order. Clearly you have some issues that need resolving. Which is a good thing. Relax. Save your vitriol for someone who is actually calling you names.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

How about you take your suggestion of a nap and shove it up your ass.

I started off this fucking year, literally, with death threats against both me and my children. I’ve been called all manners of names, including a fucking misogynist, and that’s just in the last 24 hours. This is after months of actually trying to keep things cool and calm in my discussions.

My reward has been more and more vitriol directed at me and people who share my views. So, as of last night, that fucking shit ended. I’m done with it.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

I’m sorry, but this “calling someone a pussy is sexist” thing is absolute bullshit.

Neither “pussy” nor “bitch” is a general term for humans of the female sex in the dominant culture within the US. There are subcultures where they are but, strangely, the SJWs never seem to take these subcultures to task for the rampant misogyny.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

Of course not, because we need to respect their culture. The fact that those groups do more to dehumanize women with their choice of everyday language is irrelevant.

dyingearth
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dyingearth
2 years 9 days ago

It’s not any-ism if their people uses it.

Lea
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Lea
2 years 9 days ago

Calling someone a dick is also considered an insult. Is that anti-man? I don’t think there is much difference here…

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

Remember that “anti-man” is completely alright.

Just like wishing we would all die in a fire.

Heather
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Heather
2 years 9 days ago
If I might offer a linguistic counterpoint? Both ‘pussy’ and ‘dick’ have negative connotations. They also have non-sexual meanings. (Cat and short form of Richard… try explaining that last one to a native speaker of Russian reading A Batman comic in English.). That being established, let us examine why they are insults. Each implies the worst behavior of those of the respective gender who think with the wrong portion of their anatomy. Those behaviors tend to differ in type. Therefore someone behaving belligerently is more likely to be called a dick than a pussy, even if the individual is female.… Read more »
Jonathan
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Jonathan
2 years 9 days ago

Well stated.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

DING

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

That should have been:

DING DING DING DING

We have a winner!

Heather
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Heather
2 years 9 days ago

To me, this is the epitome of insulting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVb_pwi8JfI (the good part starts at 1:11, before that is scene set up.)

RS
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RS
2 years 9 days ago

*Sigh* As a woman I find this kind of white knighting so much more patronizing than Larry putting a gun in a woman’s hand and essentially saying “here’s your equalizer.”

I’m physically weaker than most men. I’m a trained martial artist and have no trouble recognizing that fact. It’s not a case of “superior” vs. “inferior.” It’s just the way things are.

I’m not interested in the word police defending us poor little women. I’m interested in what I can do in the real world to defend myself if needed.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Not word policing. Just stating the etymology of the word pussy and by the definition misogyny it fits. Feel free to use as it is effective. My focus is on the word.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

Bullshit, Greg. You’re here telling all of lowly males that we’re wrong to use the word.

STFU. No one here gives a shit what you think.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Once again never said anything disputing about anyone. My focus has been and always will be on the word itself which by definition is misogynistic in origin. Jeez. I don’t ascribe to defining people by a single word. Just be aware of were that word comes from.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

How about you stop trying to tell us where the fuck the word comes from when, frankly, we could give a shit. We all know what it means now, and what it doesn’t mean.

Seriously, you’re coming across like a fucking concern troll, and not a particularly skilled one.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

You’ve been hurt a lot it seems. I’m so sorry. I hope you can resolve these issues.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

Save it for someone who might actually care.

I like where I’m at right now.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Hmmm, if you took that as sarcasm my apologies. I was just expressing concern for a fellow human being.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

I didn’t take it as sarcasm.

I’m saying I don’t need it. If you want to show concern, express it to all these people who fire off so much hate they honestly can’t see that people can disagree with them without actually hating them.

It’s OK though. They win. Now, I do. I hope they’re happy being right going forward.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Well I am still going to wish you the best and hope you don’t let the comments of others affect you negatively.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

Whatever.

I’m serious though. They need your good wishes more than I do.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Ok. Live a good life!

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Like I said I am sorry for that. And I get that all the time too. Being over 6 foot, weighing 260, bald and goateed many have expressed much of the same sentiment towards me. I try not to let it affect my responses and try to contain my ire. I think of it as poor, uniformed children who just don’t know any better and them I feel sad.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago
Well not thousands but hundreds. I teach 5th grade. I am also 6′ 275# bald, goateed huge through the shoulders and have a demeanor that many view as “scary”. I have been called many a vile name, people banding against me to get me fired (granted no one whoever actually had a student in my class) had a parent group spread a rumor about me being a pedophile, told I was too dumb, too mean, too anything, teachers giving me the stink eye and cold shoulder because I like to hunt, and fish and don’t ways agree with their political… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Mondays for me. Well ’cause you know I have the weekends off.

bjlinden
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bjlinden
2 years 9 days ago

That sucks, but to me that sounds like a typical Thursday. 🙂

“For you, the day the International Lord of Hate fisked your village-idiot was the most important day of your life. But for me? It was Thursday.”

ratseal
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ratseal
2 years 9 days ago

@ RS: HERESY! Turn in your woman card forthwith and apply for re-eduation!

RS
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RS
2 years 9 days ago

Like T.L. said– bullshit. Scalzi latched onto Larry’s word choice in an attempt to avoid actually having a conversation about the *real* issue– which is women defending themselves against rape. All of this word policing crap and cries of misogyny are nothing more than a feeble attempt at misdirection. Anyone with half a brain can see right through it. Sadly that leaves a lot of Scalzi fans still in the dark…

RS
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RS
2 years 9 days ago

@ratseal– No need. According to Scalzi and his ilk I’m not a real woman anyway. I’m just some feebleminded, brainwashed soul in need of rescuing from myself. I’m sure they’ll tell me, at length, why they should make all of my decisions for me and how Larry and the rest of you are oppressing me.

Mike
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Mike
2 years 9 days ago
I’ll give you 100% that the connotations of “pussy” indicate the misogynist history of our language. But I don’t think we can excise it from our language very well without being incredibly inconsistent. There are almost no insults that did not at some point refer to our sexist, racist, ableist, or classist assumptions about people. It is my opinion that to focus on that language rather than on the content of someone’s actions is a distraction from real progress. The discussion of the use of the word “pussy” as an insult belongs in linguistic essays, not debate. It’s a reasonable… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

No it should not be excised from the language it is what it is. At it’s root the Word is misogynistic, not those who use it.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago
At it’s root the Word is misogynistic, not those who use it. Then who cares? Really, who but etymologists should give a rat’s ass? The word “sanguine” comes from the Latin word for “blood.” At its root it means “bloodthirsty”. However, thanks to a completely wrong theory of medicine in the middle ages, “blood” came to be associated with optimism, cheer, and happiness, and so “sanguine” shifted meaning to “cheerfully optimistic.” Try using “sanguine” in its original meaning and watch the confusion ensue. The word means what it means now. It’s origins don’t really matter to that. The same with… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Awesome. I love word origins and believe it is important to understand how words were created, used and evolved.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

important to understand how words were created, used and evolved.

Why? Why should that matter in people’s use of a word?

If someone describes a person as “sanquine” are you going to come out and say “you know, that word, in it’s origin is quite violent, meaning ‘bloodthirsty'”?

Does that add anything to the conversation? If I were deciphering an old document, it might matter–to know what the word meant then (c.f. “well-regulated” and “militia”), but in conversation happening today about contemporary topics?

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Well I think it’s important. It’s like history knowing how and why things are is way cool.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

I think it’s important.

Bully for you. Why should that matter to anyone else?

Next time you encounter someone using the word “sanguine”, send me the link of your response. I’d love to see the reaction when you tell them how violent the word is in its origins.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Well first my mom cares. And second I will send it to you! Won’t that be cool to read? I’ll get the other side all riled up! Which will be fun.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

I’ll get the other side all riled up! Which will be fun.

Well, if that’s your goal, then you succeeded. There is, however, a term for that but most folk aren’t so willing to admit it.

Ad Astra
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Ad Astra
2 years 9 days ago

Greg Wirtala says “And I replied. And won. HA!”

The real loser here is grammar.

Declaring yourself the victor and leaving the argument now? ROTFL Straight from the Internet Argument Checklist.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

No didn’t leave. Been responding to others. As for my grammar? Typing on phone. Small keyboard; big thumbs.

Albert
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Albert
2 years 9 days ago

Yeah. And then it ended up a classic 1-2-5-7.

Underwhelmed
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Underwhelmed
2 years 9 days ago
Just so you know, Greg, balanced against the unreasoned flaming of you downstairs — you hit the nail on the head. A man can use a gendered slur without being inherently sexist/misogynist because of the deeply ingrained cultural conditioning that involves the insulting of men by comparing them to women. It’s so deeply ingrained, especially in US culture, that many many men simply fail to see it — and when you call them on it, they immediately get defensive and hostile. This immediately makes them look even more anti-women than they do already. Seriously — how hard it is to… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Wow. Thanks. What I thought was a simple answer went crazy. Oh well. Good night all. Have a fun; read a lot.

bjlinden
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bjlinden
2 years 9 days ago
This freakout over the word “pussy” just highlights, again, the problem with the 1984-ish restructuring of the english language to support their political goals that the left has been trying to slip under our radar. Yes, it’s unfortunate that a part of the female anatomy has been coopted as a term for weakness, and it would probably be a little bit better (and more descriptive) if we were using a term like “spineless cowards,” or something along those lines, instead. But even if that term DID reflect peoples’ opinions of women deep-down, (and I’d argue that it doesn’t; everybody knows,… Read more »
Wes S.
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Wes S.
2 years 9 days ago
Apparently, “rapist” is the new RAAACCCIIISSSTTT. The word’s been reduced to just another epithet for liberals to call people they disagree with…and give them an excuse to deny their opponents so much as the right to disagree with them. And meanwhile, the same morons who are having a pearl-clutching fit over Larry calling his opponents “pussies’ – and rightfully so – are basically the same ones running around dressed as giant vaginas. http://twitchy.com/2014/06/18/thats-a-really-grumpy-looking-uterus-its-the-uterus-of-justice/ Besides, this whole thing sort of misses the point, which is that the argument that men need to be “educated not to rape” is ridiculously insulting on… Read more »
Albert
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Albert
2 years 9 days ago

Hell, if you go by the response to http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/08/13/breaking-it-down , people actually get offended when you tell everyone not to rape.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Dude over reach. I just said the word pussy on its origins is misogynistic. It certainly isn’t complimentary to women. If you want to disparage awesome but please do so with facts. I never defended Mr Scalzi, just commented on the word. In fact I am offended to be lumped in such company. You made assumptions and you know what they say about assuming? You’re an ass.

DaveP.
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DaveP.
2 years 9 days ago

Nah, you showed up to concern troll and got your ass handed to you.

Rusty
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Rusty
2 years 9 days ago

Nope, “Spineless Coward” is offensive to the Differently-Enabled who have no spines.

Arwen Riddle
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2 years 9 days ago

Nice of Scalzi to insult all of Larry’s fans like that. What a jerk. Scalzi’s never going to see a dime of my money, that’s for sure.

James
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James
2 years 9 days ago

Makes sense though. It’s the same tactic cowards worldwide use: if you can’t beat someone in a straight up fight, attack their allies. Never mind the fact that Larry has fans of every gender, race, sexual orientation, and political opinion, they just lump us all together and slap a biohazard sticker on us (which is kinda cool when you think about it).

Patrick Chester
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Patrick Chester
2 years 9 days ago

Never mind the fact that Larry has fans of every gender, race, sexual orientation, and political opinion, they just lump us all together and slap a biohazard sticker on us (which is kinda cool when you think about it).

Yeah, but the dayglo stuff is just lame.

Slublog
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Slublog
2 years 9 days ago
Indeed. That tweet is a perfect example of why I no longer purchase his books. It’s not that he has strong opinions that are the opposite of mine – everyone has strong opinions about something and perfect agreement is an impossibility. No, Scalzi has lost me as a reader because he seems to find joy in displaying his contempt for those who disagree with him. It’s like a twisted form of performance art with the goal of proving himself the most virtuous person in the room. I don’t mind giving money to good artists who simply disagree with me, but… Read more »
Wes S.
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Wes S.
2 years 9 days ago

That’s exactly my take on things. I read plenty of writers who likely disagree with my politics (and vice versa), but I’m not going to give one thin dime to anybody who goes out of his or her way to gratuitously insult me.

I’ve never bought a single book of Scalzi’s, and I never will. And the asshole quotient was one reason I stopped reading Stephen King. (Still like some of SK’s early stuff, but – save perhaps for “Needful Things” and “Dreamcatcher,” you can keep the rest of his post-“Christine” catalog.)

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 9 days ago

Let me leave this here where QUILTBAGs can see what SFWA members do which they DON’T call out.

“Beth Bernobich @beth_bernobich · 11h @eilatan I want LC (Larry Correia) and his fucking minions to die in a fire.”

piotr1600
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piotr1600
2 years 9 days ago

Dear Beth,

Sorry there, Smokey-bear, but it’s highly unlikely the vile fantasy of death and agony that you are wishing on your fellow humans will come true.

Most of us have smoke detectors & fire extinguishers, because we (Larry’s minions/fans in general) are generally the sort of folks who look at the actual hazards in the real world, and prepare accordingly.
Nor are we ‘arson apologists’ for taking such rational precautions.

And BTW, your “fine example” of how not to be a decent human being is duly noted.

XOXOXO

Piotr

RS
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RS
2 years 9 days ago

I’m actually glad these people put their vile opinions out there so blatantly. It makes it so much easier to decide which books to never, ever buy.

Dave W.
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2 years 9 days ago

I second that

Bubbasrelm
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2 years 9 days ago

Dear Fail,

Bubbasrelm
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2 years 9 days ago

Dammit!!! try again

Dear Fail,

Why do stupid people, leave amazingly stupid comments in public places when everybody knows that you are actively hunting down stupid comments by stupid people and then use them as ammunition to show everyone how they are being stupid people in the first place?

keep up the good work,

-Chris

richard mcenroe (@richard_mcenroe)
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Twitchy missed the most cogent part of the argument:

richard mcenroe (@richard_mcenroe)
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Um…warning….not even vaguely safe for work…

richard mcenroe (@richard_mcenroe)
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I already have Nemesis: Hardcover on order, but I just ordered the Ebook as well, just to give you a little more money I’m never giving John Scalzi.

Wes S.
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Wes S.
2 years 9 days ago

Well, “Twitter fight” is perhaps overstating things, if only because it implies equality. And given that Scalzi was basically slap-fighting while Larry was dual-wielding the rhetorical equivalent of tetsubos…

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

And he ran off like a little bitch once it became clear he was getting trounced.

SteveS
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SteveS
2 years 9 days ago

Everyone has some idiots that post on their sites, so I am not sure how LC is responsible for this. It seemed like Scalzi’s biggest complaint was about how the blog entry was titled? Seriously?

Scalzi had seemed to be fairly neutral in the past in regards to gun ownership. His latest post seems to show how condescending he is towards gun owners. While some people’s gun pictures are creepy, he seems to be projecting his own insecurities.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 9 days ago

Everybody who uses the word “pussy” deserves to die by being put in a giant microwave oven in a tin foil tuxedo while lava is poured over them because “misogyny.”

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

No that is just plain dumb. Just because you use the word does not mean you hate women. Jeez. Forest meet the trees. It’s part of our vernacular and it isn’t going to go away. I think one should be just know the etymology of the word, and as Mr Scalzi alluded to it’s nuances.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

Tell you what. You go tell Scalzi that it isn’t misogynist, and I’ll revise my opinion of your presence here from troll to “someone who doesn’t really understand what we’ve been catching from those guys for months now).

Bonus points if you can get him to agree that it’s not.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Yeah not what I was saying. Once again all I am saying the origins of the word are misogynistic, not those who use the word.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

Please see the response I just recently made to your post.

However, I will note that the origins of the word are irrelevant. The common use today isn’t.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 9 days ago

Then why must I be cursed to die by fire? That is an awful curse to bear. Is it SFWA approved?

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

I say minimize this curse and don’t play with matches.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

I say minimize this curse and don’t play with matches.

There you go, blaming the victim. Why don’t you teach fires not to burn people? Don’t support burn-culture.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

I am not blaming the victim I am just saying if I was cursed to die by fire, I’d take precautions. Maybe walk around in one of those fancy silver suits.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

I am not blaming the victim I am just saying

Whoosh!!!!

You do realize that this whole brouhaha started because Miss Nevada during the Miss USA Pageant, as part of an answer about what to do about rape suggested that women should learn to defend themselves. The shitstorm from the left was that the suggestion meant “rape culture” wins and that it was “blaming the victim.”

It was Larry’s post on that which was the inspiration for Hines and Scalzi calling people here misogynists.

And that is why we are here in this thread.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago
Well not everyone. I commented on whether the word pussy was misogynistic. I didn’t comment on the anything else. I didn’t know there was rules or guidelines posted on commenting. Was it at the top? However, more than happy to put my two cents in… Most ridiculous thing I ever heard! People are dumb. Commenting on stuff that they don’t understand and taking it all too seriously. I am often flummox by what gets everyone so riled up. Too many are focused on the trees and can never see the forest. Of course Mr Coreia isn’t pro-rape or a misogynist.… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

Well not everyone.

Yes everyone because if it weren’t for that, there would be no thread here.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

It may not have been your reason, but there would have been no “here” (i.e. this post and the comments thereto) if it weren’t for that.

Context. It matters.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Context? Like the word pussy?

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

Like the word pussy?

Will you please make up your mind? If you want to call the origin of the word “context” and, therefore, meaningful in the current use (and thus using it is misogyny) then own it. If you want to say that the origin was just “interesting” and doesn’t mean that people using it are misogynist, then it is not relevant context.

So please pick one.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Well since context is defined as the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed. Then it is both. Knowing where the word comes from and it iteration through time is interesting and thus relevant, so one can understand and then assess the impact such a word has.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

Ah, so you are are trying to claim that using the word is a sign of misogyny. You’re just weasel wording it.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Sigh. Here: The word pussy is misogynistic in its origins. That’s it. That is what I wrote. That’s all. Using the word doesn’t make you a woman hater, heck who even thinks that? But from a pure etymological view it’s where it got its start. Jeez.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

The word pussy is misogynistic in its origins. That’s it.

It’s not “that’s it” if you claim it’s relevant to it’s current usage any more than the origin of “sanguine” has any relevance to someones use of the term today.

You keep trying to have it both ways.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Dude. Circles. It’s origins are those associative with weakness being derived for Scandanavian for “pocket” or “purse” that was used in regards to a woman’s genitalia. You don’t call someone a pussy without calling out them being weak or cowardly and a lot of those old Vikings thought that way of women. So basically calling them a girl. Which always pisses guys off.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago
Dude. Circles. Yep, you do keep going in circles. You claim that you’re just discussing the origin of the word, that’s all, and that current usage is different, but then when it’s pointed out that in saying that you render your posts on that subject irrelevant to current usage you post something like this functionally claiming that it is misogynist. Please. make. up. your. mind. At this point, you’re getting boring. and a lot of those old Vikings thought that way of women You haven’t read many of the viking sagas, have you? Or The Germania of Tacitus (the Germanic… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Dude read ’em. Love ’em. But come on! What happens when you get a bunch of macho guys together? Good old fashion ridicule. Been a part of that from football to martial arts. Dudes always make reference to being a girl and never in glowing terms. I don’t know if you are purposefully being obtuse or I am not conveying myself clearly but once again the word itself is not exactly flattering women.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago
Dude read ‘em. Love ‘em. But apparently not understood them. Consider, for instance, the roll of women in Germanic society as described by Tacitus. (You have read his “Germania” right?) Or perhaps you might consider the number of Sagas that were basically about matriarchs of various clans leading their people over the course of several generations. Or consider the Volsung Saga (by that title it should be clear that I prefer the Icelandic version to the Germanic). While Brynhilde is not historical* (at least not verifiably so) Shieldmaidens–women who actually took up arms and fought–were. There are archaeological digs showing… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Seriously your defending the word pussy? Please read carefully and understand; the word pussy is derogatory. It is in no way a compliment. It is bad. It emphasizes the “weakness” of a woman. Traits men hate. Misogyny means hatred of women. Etc. etc. etc. You are trying to pull in shades of gray that don’t exist, over thinking, over analyzing. Words like dick, pussy, fag, spik etc. were created to spark hurt and pain. I wasn’t saying anything else. Ridiculous. But hey if want to defend the word cool.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago
Switching ground because you got called on the “viking” angle? Please read carefully and understand; the word pussy is derogatory. It is in no way a compliment. Nobody ever said it was. Straw man. It emphasizes the “weakness” of a woman. No, actually, it doesn’t. Because, and read this carefully now, it. is. not. a. general. term. for. women. It never has been in the primary cultures in the US. Ever. In fact, the subcultures that do use it as a general term for women never seem to get called on it by the SJW crowd. “Pussy” is not a… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Dude are you ok? This is hilarious. I don’t even know what your talking about. Concern trolling? Don’t know what that is. I just made a comment about a word. Over thinking. So if I get what your saying pussy is ok? So if I call someone a pussy they won’t think I am calling them a weak girl? Come on this is ridiculous. Like many of those you argue your focus noton the topic but rather semantics. Crazy. You’re silly.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago
I don’t even know what your talking about. Difficulty understanding simple declarative English sentences? Concern trolling? Don’t know what that is. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=concern+troll So if I get what your saying pussy is ok? Yep. Either complete failure to understand simple declarative English sentences or deliberate straw man. You said “the word pussy is derogatory.” I replied “nobody said otherwise” Yes, it is a derogatory term. It’s an insult. Nobody has ever claimed otherwise. It’s your specific claims about the word, its origin, and it’s usage, that are at question. Like, for instance, when you made up (or repeated something somebody else… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago
That’s awesome be derisive. If someone doesn’t know something the correct response is to ridicule them. You must be awesome at a party. And gosh your right pussy never applies to women. Oh wait no just looked it up it does. I’ll re post pus·sy ˈpo͝osē/ noun noun: pussy; plural noun: pussies; noun: pussycat 1.informal a cat. 2.vulgar slang a woman’s genitals. offensive women in general, considered sexually. NORTH AMERICANinformal a weak, cowardly, or effeminate man. Unless offensive women in general means something different, you know being deficit in English and all. As for your claims about Viking history I… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago
2.vulgar slang a woman’s genitals. offensive women in general, considered sexually. Already answered long before you posted this the first time. I said in. so. many. words. that in certain subcultures it is used as a term for women. Odin’s one eye, you’re thick. Inner city high schools. Six years in the military. Never once heard it used as a general term for women. About a specific woman about whom one was making certain assumptions, yes, but about women in general, no. Except from those specific subcultures. If it’s started to migrate into “mainstream” verbiage it’s precisely because it’s coming… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

The Webster’s Third International Dictionary points out similarities between pussy in the sense of “vulva” and Low German or Scandinavian words meaning “pocket” or “purse”, including Old Norse pūss and Old English pusa.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

The Webster’s Third International Dictionary points out similarities between pussy in the sense of “vulva” and Low German or Scandinavian words meaning “pocket” or “purse”, including Old Norse pūss and Old English pusa.

Gasp! A number of languages that are closely linguistically related have similarities in vocabulary. Stop the presses!

That’s a dish of lame, with a side order of wimpy, covered with weaksauce.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Yes continue disregarding anything from Webster’s Dictionary. And anything else you disagree with because using your logic it is wrong. You are not going to get what I saying. Which is fine. I for one would feel bad about defending the word pussy but hey what ever. Have a good one. I am off to lift.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago
Yes continue disregarding anything from Webster’s Dictionary. Interesting that you bring that up in response to pointing out that Norse, German, and English are all “Germanic” languages, closely related and, therefore, there’s no real significance beyond that for them having similar sounding words. (Some, for example, consider Norwegian the easiest language for English speakers to learn: http://www.pagef30.com/2008/08/why-norwegian-is-easiest-language-for.html But, hey, let us all bow down before the Mighty Websters. You are not going to get what I saying. You’re confusing “not getting it” with disagreeing. I “get it” fine. I just disagree. I for one would feel bad about defending the… Read more »
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago
Pretty consistent in what I have wrote. I don’t know what else to say. You seem to have a need to create controversy where done exist, but if I understand what you are saying Vikings would never have been disparaging to women, pussy has never been used to refer to women, and in no way is misongynistic. You call people names because it gives you sense of superiority. You take simple comments and turn them into a discourse on a dead culture, while still missing the picture that the word pussy is disparaging and hurtful to women. Cool. By the… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

but if I understand what you are saying Vikings would never have been disparaging to women, pussy has never been used to refer to women.

Since I never said any of those things, and you have been corrected on that repeatedly, you are either lying or are remarkably obtuse.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago
Um you said, “You keep making arguments based on “pussy” being a term for women when it’s not and never has been, not in mainstream US culture” “To assume that Viking men were ranked above women is to impose modern values on the past, which would be misleading,” cautions Marianne Moen. She has been studying how women’s status and power is expressed through Viking burial findings. Her master’s thesis The Gendered Landscape argues that viking gender roles may have been more complex than we assume.” “No, actually, it doesn’t. Because, and read this carefully now, it. is. not. a. general.… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago
For someone who’s “off” you sure post a lot. Um you said, “You keep making arguments based on “pussy” being a term for women when it’s not and never has been, not in mainstream US culture”</blockquote" Note that phrase "not in mainstream US culture." It is used in certain subcutlures. I’ve said so. Nothing there is contrary to the Webster’s definition you posted. Just because some people use a word a certain way, and therefore it makes it into a dictionary, doesn’t make it something used by mainstream US culture. “To assume that Viking men were ranked above women is… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

I am not attacking anyone. I just said the word pussy in it’s origins shows a dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women: Oxford definition of misogyny. That’s it. All I have been saying. I don’t understand how else to state it.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago
Still here? Have a funny definition of “off”, I guess. I just said the word pussy in it’s origins shows a dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women: Oxford definition of misogyny. In so doing you assume far more than is actually there, as has been pointed out repeatedly. And you can’t seem to make up your mind whether it’s just “the origin” or if it’s relevant to the current meaning. Once again, to illustrate. The word “sanguine.” Somebody says “I’m feeling a bit sanguine today.” Do you go to them and tell them how that word has… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago
I never have taken a position on current meaning. You keep trying to create an issue that isn’t there. All my posts have been about origin. And if you want to believe the Vikings weren’t male dominated go for it. You’re kind of silly. Once again don’t care how it is used. Anyone is free to use it anyway he or she wants. I would never condemn it’s use. I myself have used. I’d probably call you a pussy, all have have said over and over the word itself fits the definition of misogyny and I don’t think if you… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Oh and during breaks between sets I am postin’.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago
In then same arugument dick is a word based on misandry. Both words take aspects from genders deemed unsavory, but once again AM NOT saying if you use either word your intent is to be hurtful to the respective gender, rather you use it as way to insult. Both these words were created not through rejoicing in gender traits but in condemning them. Words evolve and change but they have all have a starting place which is cool. This is really not as big an issue has you are making it and I am not really sure what your arguing… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

Hmm. Looks like I need the actual HTML (if the tags work here)

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

And no not changing tactics. Same one. Dudes in any setting, disparage one another. Biggest insult be called a girl. Blah blah blah. HA! All worked up about. If you’d like to read how Viking women lived Jenny Jochen is an excellent source she has a couple of books out. One is I believe Women in Old Norse Society, I think. I can check on a link for you if you’d like.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago
If you’d like to read how Viking women lived Jenny Jochen is an excellent source she has a couple of books out. Ah yes, you’d pick the one that agrees with you (or appears to any way. On her. The problem is the sagas, eddas, historical works like Germania by Tacitus and History of the Danes by Grammaticus paint a somewhat different picture. That’s why referenced the sagas themselves and actual archaeology and not from somebodies “interpretation” thereof. 2.vulgar slang a woman’s genitals. offensive women in general, considered sexually. Why, yes, certain subcultures use it that way. I said so,… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago
Seriously your using Saxo Grammaticus as a source? The poet? The one you created a stylized version of the shield maiden? Saxo had a decided fascination for the Norse warrior woman, and went out of his way to collect what stories and folklore he could find about these ladies. Unfortunately, Saxo had also read quite a bit of Classical literature, and freely adulterated the Norse stories he was told with Greek tales of the Amazons. His work still provides fascinating reading. Do be sure to also read Birgit Strand’s analysis of how Saxo treats his female characters. Also from Hurtwic… Read more »
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2 years 9 days ago
You don’t like Saxo as a source (not “the” source by any means, but one of many), fine. He needs to be read with a great deal of care. But you don’t get to just pick the one you don’t like and ignore the rest. Snorri also made a great deal of effort to “Christianize” the Norse Myths. The whole point of “The Beguiling of Gilfi” is that Gilfi was being “tricked” in that these stories he was being told were about real Gods and Goddesses. Then there’s that interminable prologue (I made it through once–skipped it on re-reads) where… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Um, dude what? Simply said Vikings male dominated and that using the word “pussy” as a slur to characterize men as “cowardly” and “weak” is still misogynistic because it relies on degrading a woman’s body. It reinforces the sexist logic that being called a woman or, in this case, a body part of a woman, is always negative, demeaning, and shameful. It reminds us that in order for men to feel truly insulted, they must be compared to women because women, as heteropatriarchy teaches us, are weaker and inferior to men. Mountain meet molehill.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

Simply said Vikings male dominated

Yeah “simple.” Problem is that, as shown in the link showing actual archaeology by actual archaeologists doing actual research on viking society, it wasn’t so simple.

But nice to know you’re finally owning the claim that using the term is, in your view “misogynist” when you tried to avoid that in classic concern troll style.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Still with the name calling. And still don’t know what it means. So it has little impact. Unlike pussy. HA!

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

And still don’t know what it means.

At this point that’s on you.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

And pus·sy
ˈpo͝osē/
noun
noun: pussy; plural noun: pussies; noun: pussycat
1.informal a cat.
2.vulgar slang a woman’s genitals.
offensive women in general, considered sexually.
NORTH AMERICAN informal
a weak, cowardly, or effeminate man.

So yeah it has been/is used to describe women. Sorry.

thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago

This is a spectator sport. Give ammo to my side and convince the undecided by mocking the willfully ignorant. Nothing more, nothing less.

One more thing, I think, that’s as important, if not more so, than the things you’ve listed: let those on your side, who can often feel awfully isolated given the stranglehold the “other side” has no the “mainstream media”, know that they are not alone.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago
Which on your side is awesome. I love reading your responses. On the other side it’s just sad. I just think if you use a word own the fact where the word comes from. Pussy reflects an attitude embraced by previous generations that equated being weak to being a woman. That’s all I was saying. Doesn’t mean you are one. Have I used that word? Yep and other bad words that if I wrote done folks would focus on those and not what I am writing. We have a lot of word that at one time or other that origins… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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2 years 9 days ago
Pussy reflects an attitude embraced by previous generations that equated being weak to being a woman. Not even that. After all, in the dominant culture “pussy” has never been a general term for “woman” just like “dick” has never been a general term for men. “Pussy” does not mean “like a woman” any more than “dick” means “like a man.” Note that there are subcultures where “pussy” and “bitch” are used as general terms for women. The funny thing, though, is that folk like Scalzi never call them out on their misogyny. Would you care to fill that lack? If… Read more »
Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 9 days ago

Fail has made an SFWA voodoo doll. Either SFWA rescinds Bernobich’s fiery death-curse through official channels, or Fail starts in with the pins.

Kent
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Kent
2 years 9 days ago

“or Fail starts in with the pins.”

Won’t do any good. SF’s hard left is already comprised entirely of nothing but hundreds of tiny, malevolent pricks.

Heather
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Heather
2 years 9 days ago
Greg, you are a fool. I do not say an idiot, because you seem to have a certain level of intellectual capacity that you are declining to use. You have missed one incredible significant point: of COURSE ‘pussy’ is insulting, so are ‘dick’ and ‘bastard’ and various other pejoratives. The invective is supposed to be insulting or it’s not either effective or invective. You flail about and half pretend you might be claiming to object to the use of the profane, invective, and pejorative (note, I do not say the expletive), yet you have yet to make that case. You… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago
I never said I never used or said anything about it’s profanity other than the paste I did from the dictionary. All I have said over and over and over, pussy is not a word that exhales women. You even admit it is used as a prejorative. It doesn’t complement women. You are putting to much analysis into this and are projecting what you think I am saying. Misogyny=Hatred of Women Pussy= weak effeminate (not meant as compliment) meant to hurt That’s it. I have no problem with the word. Used it myself. However I do realize it is word… Read more »
Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Last words: that using the word “pussy” as a slur to characterize men as “cowardly” and “weak” is still misogynistic because it relies on degrading a woman’s body. It reinforces the sexist logic that being called a woman or, in this case, a body part of a woman, is always negative, demeaning, and shameful. It reminds us that in order for men to feel truly insulted, they must be compared to women because women, as heteropatriarchy teaches us, are weaker and inferior to men.

Patrick Chester
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Patrick Chester
2 years 9 days ago

*scrolls through entire thread*
*feels like siting back on a rocking chair on a porch and intoning “He ain’t all there ain’t he?” with regards to Greg*

Rather energetic dancer, though…

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 9 days ago

What’s the etymology of “die in a fire?”

The Phantom
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2 years 9 days ago

Well Mr. Burton sir, “die in a fire” when used by a properly credentialed Leftist intellectual is a perfectly acceptable phrase used to mean “I don’t like them”.

Now if a Conservative were to use that phrase it would clearly be an actionable death threat, and anyone would be perfectly within the bounds of reasonable discourse to sic a SWAT team on them.

Or possibly we could have Greg Wirtala bore them to death with concern trolling. Hell of a way to die.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Well the word dick and pussy started to be derisive of characteristics associated with either gender. It’s not complimentary. Unless if you are calling me a pussy because you think I am cat like. That’d be awesome. Cats are cool.

Jeff Weimer
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2 years 9 days ago

What a supercilious, patronizing asshole.

SteveS
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SteveS
2 years 9 days ago

Uggh. I read the article that Scalzi linked to by the Marine Instructor. He mad a few good points, a fair number of incorrect points, and ended up making a tired either/or argument…’you are better off just trying to minimize your risk.’ I have yet to meet a gun owner or instructor that didn’t take steps to minimize risk and avoid unnecessary conflict.

The comments on his blog are even worse. The stupid opinions are bad enough, but there are tons of factual errors and myths.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago
I carry a gun all the time, everywhere I can legally carry one. I also minimize my risk, simply because I don’t want the hassle of having to deal with the criminal justice system. Since my hometown is 70 percent black, the odds are if I did have to use it, I’d be using it on a black person (after all, if 70 percent of the people here are black, then there’s a 70 percent chance my attacker is black). I have no desire to be the next George Zimmerman, so I minimize my risk. Of course, trying to tell… Read more »
Lemming
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Lemming
2 years 9 days ago
I’m having trouble getting past: (This is a shotgun, a good choice in home defense. You need to understand each piece and how it fits together as well as how to strip, clean, inspect, lubricate and reassemble the weapon. Good luck, you should only need the one shot.) Because, sorry, no. I don’t. He doesn’t need to know the purpose of every bit, and how to service it, in his computer to write the article. Most folks find the mechanisms under the car hood a mystery, yet drive. We need to know what the knobs and levers and buttons in… Read more »
av willis
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av willis
2 years 9 days ago

My basic reaction was “Dude, Have you even looked at Africa lately?” If a child soldier in the middle of a Banana republic can figure out how to field strip an AK, I’d hope a grown *insert post-binary gender of your choice here* would be able to figure it out.

DaveP.
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DaveP.
2 years 9 days ago

What that “instructor” spouted off was just another version of “I’m the only guy in this room professional enough to carry a Glock .40”. It’s ego-puff wankery. It’s like saying that you need to be able to replace a camshaft in order to own a car.

Patrick Chester
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Patrick Chester
2 years 9 days ago

What that “instructor” spouted off was just another version of “I’m the only guy in this room professional enough to carry a Glock .40″.

…but didn’t accidentally shoot himself?

DaveP.
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DaveP.
2 years 8 days ago

Patrick: Maybe I thought that a loudmouth showoff who shot himself in the leg while trying to impress a room full of children was a pretty good metaphor, here…

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 9 days ago

Never one to be a lock-step conformist, John Scalzi makes the stunning claim he does NOT hate women. He further asserts he is the “basic standard of decency” for all men.

“Today I’m getting a lot of credit for being a decent man, as far as women are concerned. Two things here. One: Thanks. Two: The fact I’m getting so much credit for doing what should really be THE BASIC STANDARD OF DECENCY is why #YesAllWomen matters.” – John Scalzi

Well done. I predict an extra surprise in this week’s pussy ration.

Wes S.
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Wes S.
2 years 9 days ago

Someone who apparently thinks men need to be trained not to commit rapes – himself included – probably isn’t in the best position to be judging “decency.”

Just sayin’.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Sigh. Mr Scalzi all you did was point out a word that in roots is misogynistic. Thanks. However this does make you right. Now that I read your comments I now see you were in fact passively calling Mr Correia’s readers women haters. Had much more respect for you when I believed you were pointing out the nuances of the word pussy. So disappointed.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 9 days ago

That Scalzi quote is from May. 27.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago

And now that I see you acknowledge this, I’m fine with you.

Kindly disregard all comments made by me since you posted this. I offer my apologies.

Julaire
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Julaire
2 years 8 days ago

Greg, will you go and post this comment on Scalzi’s page, or are you just going to post it here where he is unlikely to see it?

Kent
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Kent
2 years 9 days ago

“I predict an extra surprise in this week’s pussy ration.”

The only “surprise” will be that, for once, it isn’t his own.

Lea
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Lea
2 years 9 days ago

Is there a dumber hashtag than “YesAllWomen”? What idiot came up with that anyway?

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 9 days ago

#NotAllPussies

bjlinden
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bjlinden
2 years 9 days ago

Someone who was trying to provide a retort/counterpoint to the #NotAllMen hashtag that started going around in the wake of the Santa Barbara killings.

That’s right, #YesAllWomen was created to DEBUNK people trying to say that not all men are like the Santa Barbara killer. In other words, it implicitly states that all men ARE like the Santa Barbara killer.

#YesAllWomen is despicable.

Lea
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Lea
2 years 9 days ago

“Someone who was trying to provide a retort/counterpoint to the #NotAllMen hashtag that started going around in the wake of the Santa Barbara killings.

That’s right, #YesAllWomen was created to DEBUNK people trying to say that not all men are like the Santa Barbara killer. In other words, it implicitly states that all men ARE like the Santa Barbara killer.”

Seriously? I don’t do the Twitter thing so I missed this. That is ridiculous. And…still makes no sense! Not all men, yes all women…???)(^*(*^&(*&

bjlinden
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bjlinden
2 years 9 days ago
Yup. I don’t really do the twitter thing much myself, (it’s an absolutely terrible way to communicate. The way I see it, anything that can be said in less that 160 characters probably isn’t worth saying in the first place. Come to think of it, that might explain why Scalzi was so caught up with the title of the post, rather than the content; the twitter crowd can’t seem to THINK in anything greater than 160 characters…) but I heard that stated (in more flattering terms, obviously) in a report about the #YesAllWomen hashtag on NPR, of all places, so… Read more »
ratseal
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ratseal
2 years 9 days ago
I have tried to read some of the cool stuff at boingboing and Whatever on the premise that disagreeing with someone’s politics isn’t reason to shun their (virtual) company or products. The flavor of hatey mchateyness there is less to my taste than the flavor here, so I don’t bother anymore. There are some jackwagons here too, mind – but on the balance I am less likely to be blamed for EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD at MHN purely on the basis of being white, straight and male. At the other two places I mentioned it is the default setting. Given… Read more »
Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 9 days ago

No woman is as tough as Fail. Fail can eat 6 chicken pot pies in a row and wrestle giant snakes up to 2 ft. long.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
2 years 9 days ago

Gosh! You WIN!!

Nicole
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Nicole
2 years 9 days ago

6 pot pies? And snakes! That’s raising the bar! Myself am only at 4 microwave burritos and big dog wrestling. I think there should be a # for this feat #potpietough or something? Alas I am not twitter savy 🙁

Kent
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Kent
2 years 9 days ago

#NotAllThePotPies

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 9 days ago
I started this year, quite literally, with tons of death threats on Twitter. I wasn’t worried about them. Like Larry told me then, liberals can’t shoot well. Fair enough. What really bothered me was how these people also wished death upon my own children, saying they hoped they were killed in a school shooting (since I was talking about gun rights) Since then, I’ve been called a racist, sexist, misogynist, fascist, communist (the joys of being a libertarian), an idiot, and any number of things by those who also scream about “tolerance”. The funny thing is, I’m tolerant. Hey, I… Read more »
Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 9 days ago

John Scalzi makes the stunning claim he is against rape. Is this some new fad? How many geological epochs is this basic standard of decency ahead of me?

Wes S.
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Wes S.
2 years 9 days ago

So…how long will it be until Correia unseats Vox Day as “The Most Despised SF/F Writer Like, Ever®” in the eyes of pussified libprogs?

Anybody taking bets? I’ll put $20 on this Fourth of July. (I kid, I kid. :P)

dyingearth
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dyingearth
2 years 9 days ago

Not even close. Tom Kratsman is still their #1 target. Vox Day is #2. Albeit, Larry is closing in on #3 now.