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The latest from the Fainting Couch Brigade, they go after Uncle Timmy

Since the Social Justice Warrior contingent of sci-fi fandom is on a quest for perpetual outrage, here is this week’s stupidity. A convention, Archon, had a guy many of us know and love, Tim Bolgeo, scheduled to be the fan guest of honor, until an anonymous internet pussy alleged that Timmy was racist, so Archon immediately folded and disinvited him.

Fellow warm beige Author of Color, Jason Cordova has more: http://jasoncordova.com/2014/05/20/uncle-timmy-and-the-thought-police/

Most authors know him as Uncle Timmy. He’s helped out so many new and aspiring authors to get their work out in front of the fans that it is ridiculous. Uncle Timmy is the go to guy in southern and midwestern fandom to meet people. You know the guy who knows a guy? That’s Timmy.

First off, anybody who has ever talked with Tim Bolgeo knows this allegation is crap and Archon is being stupid.  Uncle Timmy is no racist. His crime was reposting jokes that would have been okay to laugh at if they’d been told by a comedian on TV. One lone ANONYMOUS jackass threw a fit so Archon tossed him.

Fascinating… So fandom is so trained and cowed by the constantly outraged Social Justice Warriors, that we’re to the point that anybody who ever said something even slightly edgy or outside of accepted group think can be booted. Of course, I’m sure if Timmy was a communist, abortion activist, anti-gun, Occupy Wall Street, gender studies major with a pony tail, then A. nobody would whine about him being a guest. B. If somebody did, the con committee wouldn’t have cared.

Second, I’ve met Tim Bolgeo several times, and I’ve met members of his family. He’s a good dude. He’s a decent human being. I’ve had conversations with him about various controversial issues, and he was never anything but polite, funny, smart, and articulate. He helped me out when I was first starting my career, and the first out of state con I ever attended as a pro writer was one that he’d been organizing for 25 years.

I don’t know what kind of raving lunatic this ANONYMOUS internet pussy painted Timmy as, but horseshit. My understanding is that he chose to go to one of the first non-segregated schools in the south, and has set up a charity on behalf of a deceased friend who was black. Oooooh, but that is soooooo outweighed by hurting somebody’s feelings for telling a joke that would be okay to laugh at if John Stewart told it.

Third, listen fandom, it is time to cowboy up. Put your big girl panties on. You have gotten into the bad habit of immediately rolling over anytime some shrieking Social Justice Warrior says they must retire to their fainting couch because they have the vapors. They started with big name writers, then they began freaking out about things award presenters MIGHT say, and now they’ve worked their way down to attacking other fans. They want a purge. Anybody who may potentially hurt their delicate lilac scented feelings is an untouchable and must be shunned. They’d clone Stalin to run for SFWA president if any of that crowd actually knew how this whole science thing worked.

Luckily for us the SJW’s weapons are their salty tears of sadness and Twitter.

So QUIT CAVING IN.

Their outrage doesn’t grant them magical powers of discernment. Do your freaking jobs. Use your brain. If somebody is angry about a guest, maybe you should slow down and find out why before immediately surrendering to the angry mob, or in this case ONE PERSON.

Otherwise they own you. They own you because you let them. Rule number one of dealing with Social Justice Warriors is never apologize for anything that shouldn’t be apologized for. Rule number two is don’t be afraid to tell them to shove it.

Archon, you owe Uncle Timmy an apology.

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Twitter friend of mine on FOX talking about "white privilege"
musashi363
Guest

You’d think that sci-fi and fantasy readers would be open to different ideas or ways of thinking. But nope, they are just as seduced by group think and New speech as any other group.

Alan
Guest

Agreed. Why don’t these organizations wake up and realize that if you stop paying attention to these idiots, they will fade back into the sludge from which they first emerged?

Brian
Guest

Sadly, being in California, I’ve never been to the cons in question, don’t know any of the players, and thus don’t have much of a dog in this fight – but having been reading about this incident for the last few days, I’d like to know who Jon Voisey, the “Angry Astronomer,” is. It seems he was another Fan Guest of Honor, who threatened to back out if Mr. Bolgeo was not uninvited. I’ve seen several posts by him to that extent, but I’ve never heard of him.

Jon Voisey
Guest
To clarify, Archon has two levels of Guests. Guests of Honor (big deal), and general Guests (not big deal). I was the latter. If you’re interested in my background, I have a BS in astrophysics. In the past I was an outspoken blogger mostly known for my stance against pseudo-science. I’ve been too busy to keep up with that for the past several years, but did spend some time as a writer for Universe Today, one of the largest astronomy websites. I’m also a well known speakers at (mostly anime) conventions in the Midwest. I have also been sector director… Read more »
rufus3698
Guest

I take it one of the “victim advocacy groups” you aren’t deeply involved with is the “Victims of Progressive Fascism”.

Chris Maddox
Guest

BS in asstrophysics…in other words…BullS**t. You ought to go on and get your MS (more of same) and your PhD (piled higher and deeper..

T.L. Knighton
Guest

So you helped to craft a harassment policy, which I assume is because you believe that everyone has a right to enjoy fandom, and then do this?

Please, do clarify how in the hell you can look at yourself in a mirror and keep your breakfast down.

joecrouse
Guest

John Been going to anime cons for 15 yeas… never heard of you.

Mandi M. Lynch, author
Guest
Mandi M. Lynch, author
TL, it’s a simple concept. You don’t go seeking a duck and then dump it in the closest not-your-pond when somebody gets mad that it quacks. Everyone in the community knows what type of person Uncle Timmy is. This con knew damn well. The comments the anonymous whiner is pissed off about are at least somewhat taken out of context, and the con caved in to invisible peer pressure. Here’s the thing about free speech – it really, truely means free speech. It means that if I want to stand on a rooftop and shout about how much I hate… Read more »
T.L. Knighton
Guest

Mandi,

I get that, and you get that, but clearly Jon here doesn’t get that.

Eamon J. Cole
Guest
To be fair, I’ve only read one of your posts. In that post you make accusations of bigotry and anti-science unsupported by direct evidence. You deride a work with no specific citations to the work, and smear a man by innuendo and allusion. You then seek to divorce yourself from the controversy by noting that you don’t think Mr. Bolgeo is exceptionally bigoted, and your concern was always more that Archon chose to honor the work. You believe it was unfortunate but necessary for them to separate themselves from the error of honoring the work by separating themselves from the… Read more »
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Quilly Mammoth
Guest

No, archon owes Fandom an apology. They stopped being about the genre and it’s fans And became about being political.

Jenny
Guest

Oh my gosh. I laughed so hard about the gender studies major with a ponytail comment.

I don’t know who this guy is. I practically live under a rock. I think racism sucks. However, you’re completely right- you can’t ban people from stuff just for having different ideas. If that were the case, I’d ban every pro-choice person from every event I ever had.

Then, I’d get sued for discrimination, though…

Book
Guest

You would think that people who READ- and read SF/F, of all things-would be on the front lines to fight the stifling of ideas. Good gravy on a stick, these people are idiots.

filbertmedary
Guest
Has Archon violated their own harassment policy? “All attendees at Archon are expected to treat other attendees, guests, staff, and the general public with respect. Harassment of any kind, including physical assault, deliberate intimidation, stalking, unwanted photography, or unwelcome physical attentions, will not be tolerated. . . . Any attempt to have an innocent person removed from the convention by falsely accusing him or her of threats will be itself treated as an act of harassment and will be dealt with appropriately. The responsibility for settling interpersonal disputes lies solely with the individuals involved, and Archon will not tolerate being… Read more »
SBP
Guest

This is the big problem with Scalzi’s “harassment policy” notion. Real harassment is either a crime or a tort, depending on the circumstances, and is properly dealt with by the police or your attorney, not by some kangaroo court made up of the type of Stalinist busybodies who inevitably gravitate to such positions of petty authority.

I haven’t gone to cons for years, and certainly won’t resume given the current climate.

rufus3698
Guest

If you don’t like the current climate, then go to the con and oppose it. The best way to change the administration’s mind is to go to the con talk after the con and complain. If just 10s guy showed up and asked WTF was happening to freedom of thought in a friggen Sci-Fi con I think there would be second thoughts before it was repeated.

Eamon J. Cole
Guest

Re: Their harassment policy, the second quoted paragraph is apparently a problem and nullification of the purpose of the policies for Mr. Jon Voisey noted above.

Safeguarding the innocent in the face of spurious accusations apparently “sends a message” that legitimate complaints will be disregarded and makes folks feel unsafe.

UhHuh. That hasn’t resulted in disaster anywhere lately.

😐

Book
Guest
Book
Guest

-Drat. Don’t know how you fancy pants people know how to embed that in a comment. But anyway, click the link. 😉

Lazy Bike Commuter
Guest

Perfect.

ray
Guest

Someone really needs to map out the frequency of SJW campaigns to see if the frequency is rising or falling.

John Van Stry
Guest
They’re rising, because they WORK. It gives groups that have a lot of lefties in their organization an opportunity to get rid of people that they didn’t want invited in the first place. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that the ANON accuser is actually on the Con Staff and was opposed to this person coming, and so used this tactic to attack them. There is a reason why in law and in court anonymous accusations are NOT supposed to hold ANY WEIGHT. Because they’re made up by people who have no facts, and just want to attack and… Read more »
John Van Stry
Guest

He should sue them for libel. Until making false accusations actually starts to hurt people, they’ll keep making them.
And I’m talking about suing the con and the con organizers. It doesn’t matter what the ANON said to them, THEY are the ones accusing this man of racism by their words, deeds, and actions.

Book
Guest

I hate the lawyer happy culture we’ve become. DESPISE it. At the same time, at some point people need to stand up and demand that the behavior of these asshats won’t be tolerated.

Fail Burton
Guest
Funny when I show actual racist quotes by SFF authors out of their own mouths that are in no way jokes the PC respond by giving them more awards. Hmmm…. bit of a cock-up on the double standard front. Once again the PC have proven they don’t understand the English language, logic, what law is based on, or what a “racist” actually is. In PC world, a “racist” is a white man, who gets that mark tattooed on at birth, and again when they wake up in the morning, just to make sure. In short, the PC don’t care about… Read more »
michaelzwilliamson
Guest

Can you email me some of those? This should prove entertaining on the Archon wall.

Book
Guest

Heh. Do it. 😀

Fail Burton
Guest
Co-manager of WisCon “safer-space” Jaymee Goh: “Seems lately every week is white stupidity week. And they complain about a month in a year!” * 2014 SFWA awards attendee and writer Sunil Patel: “Curious: how many of you refuse to watch/read something if it’s about Yet Another Straight White Man?” Reply from SFWA member and Nebula nominee Kate Elliott: “Same is true of books. I’m increasingly less likely to pick up a book if it is another straight white dude story.” Reply from SFWA member, co-editor of Long Hidden, and review editor at Publisher’s Weekly Rose Fox: “Alas, my job doesn’t… Read more »
Fail Burton
Guest
Co-organizer of WisCon segregated “safer-space” and PoC dinner K. Tempest Bradford: “What is it w/ white ppl who adopt children of color thinking it absolves them of racism forever? Do whites think it works that way for real?” Consulting editor Teresa Nielsen Hayden at Tor Books, the largest publisher of SFF in English: “Didn’t need the user icon to know you’re white and male.” K. Tempest Bradford: “Just… Fuck all you white dudes wagging your finger at the community on twitter. It’s not like most of you are helping. Sit your asses down” K. Tempest Bradford: “I am all done… Read more »
Fail Burton
Guest
SFF author and blogger Foz Meadows: “Old white guys. What are going to do with them?” Reply from “Cranky LGBT rights supporting, proudly pro-abortion Aussie atheist feminist who hates rightwingers, MRAs, liars, and wankers” SFF author Ann Somerville: “they’re already jerks, so…jerky?” * Blog post title by WisCon segregated “safer-space” co-organizer and panelist Jaymee Goh: “Anonymous Asked: How Do I Deal With This Racist White Friend?” Blog post by the then president of the SFWA John Scalzi: “Straight White Male: The Lowest Difficulty Setting There Is.” WisCon organizer and panelist K. Tempest Bradford: “We will once again be in the… Read more »
Fail Burton
Guest
Salon.com post written by Nebula and Hugo Award nominee Saladin Ahmed: “Is Game of Thrones Too White?” SFF illustrator Jim McDermott: “Is this a WorldCon or a WhiteCon?” SFF author James Worrad: “… genre’s Caucasian bloat.” Co-founder of SFF webzine Mary Anne Mohanraj guest-posting on the blog of the then president of the SFWA John Scalzi: “If you’re white, you have white privilege.” Comment on K Tempest Bradford’s blog by Communications Director for a religious-based nonprofit, radio commentator, essayist and fantasy writer with pieces in places such as Minnesota Public Radio, Strange Horizons Haddayr Copley-Woods: “Angry White Men are so… Read more »
Fail Burton
Guest
SFWA member and past official Jim Hines racially profiling a photo of white people consisting of past, present, and future WorldCon chairs: “After all, some white dude explained to me the other week that sexism and racism in fandom ended decades ago!” and “Someone probably just messed up the ‘White balance’ setting on the camera.” Post at SF blog io9 named to the Top 30 science blogs by The Times, written by Knight Science Journalism Fellowship and research fellow at Massachusetts Institute of Technology Anna Lee Newitz: “When Will White People Stop Making Movies Like ‘Avatar’?” where she writes “whites… Read more »
Fail Burton
Guest
What every one should do is Tweet these with one word changed and watch them go nuts when they don’t recognize quotes from their own community. “Old black women. What are you going to do with them?” How does that sound to the SFWA? The NBA’s black bloat. Seems lately every week is Arab stupidity week. Alas, my job doesn’t let me refuse to read gay blacks. Latina women wouldn’t know ‘nuance’ if they tripped on it. Didn’t need the user icon to know you’re a black woman. Black Orpheus, I find the whole thing deeply offensive, with its black… Read more »
michaelzwilliamson
Guest

The problem is, in their minds, it’s okay to attack white people based on skin color, because raaaacism!!!

SBP
Guest
Kate Elliott: pasty white. Rose Fox: pasty white. Teresa Nielsen Hayden: pasty white. Charles Stross: pasty white. Sean Williams: pasty white. Foz Meadows: pasty white. John Scalzi: pasty white. Jim Hines: pasty white. Annalee Newitz: pasty white. James Worrad: pasty white. Carrie Cuinn: pasty white. Cheryl Morgan: pasty white. Sophia McDougall: pasty white. There are *maybe* three Blacks and a couple of Latinos in that group. The other “minorities” are all Asians and Indians (hint: not exactly “underprivileged”, as a rule, although I’ll give “Jaymee” Goh a few trauma points based on that name — but only if it was… Read more »
Fail Burton
Guest

I prefer to think of them as one race: mentally disheveled swine-people from Mars.

Eben
Guest

There were people on the Archon Facebook page saying that they would insult/harass Timmy to the point of him notifying security and then claim he was lying so that security would throw him out for false reports of harassment. What a nice group of people.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

What a truly vile bunch.

Oh, and here’s a tweet which was retweeted approvingly by Ann Leckie:

“Archon 38 Cancels Bolgeo As Fan GoH”.

Why am I not surprised?

Fail Burton
Guest
Leckie should be booted from the SFWA herself for her remarks about heterosexual white men. Her analogy is they randomly punch women, gays, and PoC. How savage are white men then? Instead it’s award-time. If someone wrote her exact words about black men being dangerous, there would be demands for her removal from the SFWA. http://www.annleckie.com/2013/10/21/real-heart-real-artificial-heart/ After she lambastes them she does what got Elizabeth Moon booted from WisCon, she adds a disclaimer: “Granted, some white straight cis guys have noticed and will talk about how they don’t like it and they wish it would stop.” Moon’s disclaimer which got… Read more »
Book
Guest

Print out posts. Bring to con. Wallpaper the joint. Have one handy for security as well.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
Guest

The one about Cumberbatch had me facepalming HARD. They actively changed that specific character to being played by him because they wanted to avoid the whole charge of racist typecasting of a man who kills possibly hundreds of thousands of people to ‘brown person profiling’ bullcrap. You can’t please the idiots, ever.

Wes S.
Guest

When Benedict Cumberbatch (!) is your poster boy for “white privilege”…Sheesh.

Face, meet palm. Palm, meet face. *smack*

…This link seems topical:

http://thecollegeconservative.com/2014/05/20/mob-rule-in-america/

Myself, I’m a traditionalist, and prefer the traditional use of grapeshot as a remedy for unruly mobs. Or buckshot, if grape isn’t available.

😉

Wesley Nichols
Guest

Wouldn’t canister be the most appropriate?

Wes S.
Guest

I think Sarah Hoyt had it right: The Social Justice Warrior/Glittery Hoo-Ha club are turning SF/F fandom into “the Special Hate Olympics.”

http://accordingtohoyt.com/2014/05/21/nebulizing-the-patriarchy/

The accompanying photo is priceless. 😛

Book
Guest

“Come to the matriarchy side. We have vaginas.”

That right there deserves some sort of warning. Is there a trigger warning for that?

Trigger Warning for Accidental Coffee Snorting

That makes no sense. Eh. I tried.

T.L. Knighton
Guest

Trigger warning: Tuna fish.

Think about it. 😀

joecrouse
Guest

The proper response to any woman that says that is
You may have them but you’ll claim rape if you decidet hat you didnt want me seeing it AFTER you showed it to me. So you can put it away.

LepusKhan
Guest

Sarah Hoyt for the win!

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

I wonder how long before someone tries to do this to Larry?

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CombatMissionary
Guest

Aaaaand here they go again. Special Snowflakes are like wasps. You’re never completely rid of them. All you can do is trap them, poison them, crush their nests, and plant lots of mint to attract honey bees that’ll kill the ones you missed. Sorry, guys, my wife has had me planting a garden this week, so these are the metaphors you’re stuck with. 😀

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Your metaphor requires a trigger warning. 😉

T.L. Knighton
Guest

Trigger warning: asparagus, cold medicine

Wayne Blackburn
Guest

Hey, my wife is allergic to bees! You need to include them in your trigger warning! 🙂

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Wraith
Guest

Hey, I just saw an anonymous comment that claims the Archon staff are all racist, sexist, homophobic, biphobic, transphobic cigarette smokers who drive diesel pickup trucks and worship Jesus!! It must be true, so I guess we can expect their mass suicide as soon as they hear about it… :roll:

Insectress
Guest
I have known Uncle Timmy for years. When I would attend a con for the first time and Uncle Timmy was there, I knew there would be a friendly face and good company. If there was an author I wanted to meet but was too shy to introuce myself, Uncle Timmy would call them over and start chatting with them and introduce me to them. Uncle Timmy gave me career advice when I needed it, and was one of the people who encouraged me to go back for Graduate School. What the people on the archon facebook page are saying… Read more »
kvaadk
Guest
Not quite a decade ago, when I was active on Live Journal, I ran afoul of a group that counted among its victories “destroying the career” of an editor because he was a racist and doing something similar to a fantasy writer because of her hatred for Native Americans. [Note: Since I don’t have their permission, I’m not using their names. However, I will say neither was either a racist nor destroyed.] I’d never heard of the group when a member engaged me in a comment thread somewhere and invited me to join an online community dedicated to combating racism… Read more »
Andrew
Guest
From what I can tell, there are a few phenomena in play: Isolated Groups and Social Proof: Groups that begin relatively small, become hardened by their observations of each other. When people of this sort of thinking move into an institution, they bring their social proof with them. Everyone thinks like me, so I’m right. Minimal Threats in a Low Threat Environment: The majority of SJW rarely experience any significant threat to their environment. In the US, it’s unlikely that you’ll starve to death or even be without shelter if you’re relatively functional. It’s a comfy place where you’re not… Read more »
dyingearth
Guest

Eric Raymond (esr) has this on his blog a couple of days http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5747 regarding Evaporating Cooling. That is an organization gets more and more crazy that it droves the logical and sensible members out of the the fold so it reaches an equilibrium of echo chamber. The blog post was about Global Warming, but it equally applies to SFWA and the Social Justice Whiners.

Alan S.
Guest
Half the battle is picking a good label. One where even explaining the label itself exposes truth. I’m liking “Neo-Paternalists”, for the GHH/SJW crowd, but admit it could use a third word perhaps. It’s exactly what they claim to not want (Someone using force, intimidation, and rules to harsh their buzz) as opposed to “Maternalism”, which is always the ruled-by-fluffy-bunnies-utopia. Plus the term itself exposes their own inherent sexism. SJW is something they’d probably adopt themselves as a badge of honor. Nice when you’re trying to get people to self-identify (like the term ‘Jihadist’) out of a crowd. But target… Read more »
stephanieosborn
Guest

I remarked in my blog post on the matter, that it seems in the last year that some sort of ideological zombie apocalypse had broken out. I mean, you know, everybody in fandom seems to be trying to eat each others’ brains. So I’ve proposed “ideological zombie”…

filbertmedary
Guest

“Ideo-zombie?”

Fail Burton
Guest

QUILTbaggers

Expendable Henchman
Guest

Now, now Fail…

The tea party movement was protesting the federal gov’t flushing trillions of dollars (borrowed) down the toilet.

The SJW and GHH crowds hat them because they like their own team in power to be able to keep buying votes. The media hate them because they proved a credible political threat in 2010.

The entire discussion topic is about bastards spewing hate and lies to advance their own goals.

stephanieosborn
Guest
Brad Hicks (@jbradhicks)
Guest
42 responses, plus multiple blog posts, and not one of them quote the actual things that Bolgeo wrote that were found objectionable. If you don’t find them objectionable, why don’t you pass them along? If they were all harmless opinions, why not show the world how harmless they were? Wouldn’t that settle who was right and who was wrong? Tim Bolgeo’s Fan Guest of Honor award was withdrawn because the Archon board was, grudgingly and against their will, shown that no matter how much he claims he isn’t a racist, no matter how many people say he isn’t a racist,… Read more »
Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
Guest
Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

Have you read his “racist jokes” in context? IE in his newsletter? Sorry, everything that I heard from his friends is that his “racist jokes” were taken out of context to make the jokes “sound racist”.

Julie Frost (@JulieCFrost)
Guest

Well, Mr. Hicks, dude. You have all this “evidence.”

POST IT.

In context, please.

B
Guest

Here, Hicks. I’ll start the ball rolling with some evidence:

http://twitchy.com/2014/05/20/white-leftist-to-black-conservative-my-pleasure-house-n-gger-youll-do-anything-fo-massa/

Oops. My bad. That’s one of your guys, isn’t it?

Ok, your turn.

DaveP.
Guest

Mister HIcks, you sound like an anti-intellectual to me- you use the same language, the same ignorant tropes.
I demand that you prove that you are not.
If you aren’t, it should be easy for you and you should treasure the opportunity to prove your bonafides… only a true redneck knuckledragger would balk at the chance to prove his open-mindedness.
I eagerly await your proof… or your shameful admission that you truly do side against Mr. Bolgeo not out of conviction, but out of plain, narrow, bigoted hate for his mind.

Andrew
Guest

I don’t have to prove jack. I’m not the one trying to overturn someone’s reputation. You’re the one who says he should have the appearance withdrawn, and any effort he’s made toward it flushed. You want to destroy a persons time and effort, you prove it.

Wes S.
Guest

Since when have leftists EVER cared about things like “due process” or “proof?” Such things are impediments to their arguments, which rely entirely on emotion, a self-righteous attitude and “the seriousness of the charge.”

And under the circumstances, why should we even give a damn about any after-the-fact “proof” that a spiteful, libelous little fascist like Bradley might excrete? It’d just be a case of “defending the indefensible,” as Orwell put it.

SBP
Guest

“spiteful, libelous little fascist”

You left out “old”, “white”, and “male”.

Why is it always old white guys like Brad, Scalzi, Hines, et al who take preemptive offense on behalf of others (or should that be “The Other”?).

Do they think they’re going to get an honorary Vagina of Color award or something?

bvdemier
Guest

“..shown that no matter how much he claims he isn’t a racist, no matter how many people say he isn’t a racist, and no matter what other good he’s done for the community…”

And all i read is:
“I don’t care if you have an iron-cast aliby, twenty witnesses all swearing you never did the deed, and forensic evidence of your innocence- it proves nothing!! Nothing i say!!

But then again that may be my white male privilege clouding my mind.

joecrouse
Guest

SO you would be happy to have Chris Rock if he were to have written a science fiction novel.

SBP
Guest

Brad: judging from your profile pic you are way too old, too white, and too male to have a valid opinion on this subject.

michaelzwilliamson
Guest

All I see in your photo is a white guy, so you’re a racist and your comments aren’t worth reading.

mechgogogames
Guest
Ok, as one of the resident pain in the ass liberals here who happens to think GENUINE racism falls under the umbrella of fighting words (ie call a black person a n****** and they get to knock your ass out for free) can I get a link to the ACTUAL WORDS allegedly atributed to Mr. Bolego? Not some stuff he reposted from somewhere else but words that actually originated in HIS brain and left HIS mouth. What I keep seeing is people screaming that this person or that person is a racist and then noone being able to point to… Read more »
Brad Hicks (@jbradhicks)
Guest

Well, yesterday I could have. I guess Tim Bolgeo isn’t very proud of his ethnic humor any more, or else LibertyCon isn’t — the ‘zine isn’t hosted there, or anywhere else that people have seen, any more. Which puts you all in the interesting position of defending something that even the guy who wrote it is treating as hard to defend.

Wes S.
Guest

“Yesterday I could have” proved it, Bradley? Really?

What a pathetically chickenshit argument.

T.L. Knighton
Guest

Yeah, because branding someone with the worst name we generally use for someone couldn’t possibly have a negative impact on them and make them want to withdraw a bit from the world, now would it.

Seriously, people like you absolutely disgust me.

joecrouse
Guest

Tell me Sir are you a fan of Chris Rock and his “Humor” how bout Wanda Sykes? Or George Lopez? Or Margaret Cho? – Because I find each of them as rasist as it gets.

Larry Mitchell
Guest

The dog ate your homework?

Joel Salomon
Guest

When you go for #5 on the Checklist, (Make S——t Up) try to check whether it’s trivial to to find facts that contradict you.

http://www.libertycon.org/index.php/libertycon-info/the-revenge-zine

#TrollFail

T.L. Knighton
Guest
So it’s there, but you couldn’t bother to find the offending pieces and their context, so you thought no one here would look? Something to keep in mind about us here. We WILL check out your comments. You step out of your lane, you will be put back into it. Abruptly. So, do you want to try that shit again? Go, find the offending jokes. Copy and past the whole thing, including the relevant tags that Uncle Timmy mentions in his post dated today. Provide links so we can verify (if you don’t, we will find it and check your… Read more »
Wes S.
Guest

@Joel Salomon: Thanks for the link. Just signed up for the newsletter.

#screwtheglitteryhoohas.

mechgogogames
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Still waiting for that link. Now here’s MY take on racism. And I’m going to start this with an ACTUAL QUOTE from my degenerate scumfuck oxygen thief of a father who I am pleased to say has been lowering property values in Hell lo these 20 years now. “When you get ready to get laid go find a nigger gal because they’ll do anything to have a light-skinned baby, even fuck a loser like you.” . I was TEN when he said that to me. So when I say I have some passing familiarity with racism I don’t mean that… Read more »
cargosquid
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Damn.
I don’t know you….but ……DAAAAAMN.

Well said.

Woelf Dietrich
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I’m blown away by those quotes from Fail Burton. I know a lot of these people are bigoted racists, but shit, they’re not even hiding it. It’s upsetting to see how deeply their hate is rooted. That right there is a permanent state of revulsion at a whole class of people, and nothing will persuade them to feel differently. It’s engrained. My existence offends them. WTF?!

T.L. Knighton
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Racism is fine, so long as you hate white folks.

dyingearth
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More importantly, the people with incorrect politically unacceptable thoughts. You get three extra strike if you happened to be heterosexual white man.

T.L. Knighton
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What’s really funny is their own prejudice. They automatically assume that any white male who disagrees with them are straight.

I know for a fact that they’re not. Know at least one who’s gotten into it with the SJW crowd online, been accused of being a cis-gendered, heteronormative fascist (more or less) who’s really not straight at all. He’s just not really out of the closet, so didn’t correct them.

Of course, he ascribes to badthink, and therefore must be purged anyways.

Woelf Dietrich
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I’m getting that impression, yes. Sounds like selective racism or so-called fair discrimination. The problem with that is obvious: it’s toxic. It divides people, cause resentment, and fuels hate (on their part). It shouldn’t be allowed. I’m serious. Otherwise It’s going to get worse.

T.L. Knighton
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I’ll go so far as say it’ll eventually fuel hate among white folks.

You can only shit on a group for so long, especially a group that doesn’t have a history of being shit on, before you have a real problem.

These people just don’t get that you don’t correct past wrongs by committing those same wrongs to a different group of people.

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Andrew
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I think we’ve lost a vital and enriching part of our culture when we are so fearful of our differences that we cannot find advantage and pleasure in them.

Barb Caffrey
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I’m with you, Andrew. Whatever happened to the attitude, “I hate what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it?” (I kind of miss that, y’know?) Railroading anyone _out of context_ is wrong. But a bunch of people who are supposedly devoted to reading science fiction and fantasy doing this out of context is so mind-jarringly wrong that I don’t have the words to express my contempt. One final thought: Why didn’t Archon at least have the bare decency to allow Mr. Bolgeo to answer these charges? (If they could answer that… Read more »
Expendable Henchman
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When they’re chanting for my death, I kind of lose the will to die defending their free speech rights.

Barb Caffrey
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Can’t blame you there, EH. Most of us would.

Maybe it’s because I grew up in SE Wisconsin and I saw the police have to go and defend neo-Nazis when they marched in IL several times that I feel this way. The police went out there because as distasteful as the neo-Nazis were, they had the right to peacefully assemble and protest, the same as anyone else.

I felt sorry for the policemen who had to defend the neo-Nazis, but I’m glad they did it. I understand the underlying principles involved and felt what the policemen did was honorable.

Fail Burton
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“A wonderfully thought-provoking speech, with plenty to study on and act on. You’ve given me fodder for moving ahead with my own writing in terms of a wider variety of characters, having begun in a time when simply creating active female heroes was a revolutionary act. We keep plugging away, hoping to create a better, more inclusive world. With people like you sounding the call for us to listen, keep working, and stay aware, not to rest on what’s been achieved, I hope we’ll get there.” – Tamora Pierce http://nkjemisin.com/2013/06/continuum-goh-speech/#comment-12697 That’s this year’s Archon Guest of Honor Tamora Pierce commenting… Read more »
Fail Burton
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And right on cue:

https://twitter.com/eilatan/status/469456917178241024

“THE CASE FOR REPARATIONS Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole. TA-NEHISI COATES”

dyingearth
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As a first generation immigrant from Taiwan, I have to as this question: What did my ancestors ever did to ANY slaves in America? I know logic is too hard for these folks.

Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
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Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

The last I heard, the “logic” was that the US was built by slavery therefore anybody who benefits from what was built and doesn’t have slave ancestors has to “pay back” to the descendents of slaves.

The “benefits from what was built” apparently applies to anybody who immigrated to the US after slavery ended.

Of course, non-whites normally don’t have to “pay back” but Asians may be counted as White.

jabrwok
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Most American blacks wouldn’t exist absent slavery, their ancestors would’ve been sold to Muslims, or executed outright, or never would’ve met their other ancestors of the opposite sex, or would’ve produced different children, or…

So if we’re discussing modern groups that have benefited from the existence of slavery in the U.S., I know who goes at the top of the list.

Dave W.
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…………… *blank stare*

Ye gods, these people are unbelievable. /facepalm

Fail Burton
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Lament today from the gracious Nebula-winner Aliette de Bodard: “SFF is, alas, dominated by white westerners,” I think it’s safe to say that’s so casual it’s completely unaware of itself. But if you say basketball is, alas, dominated by blacks, awareness alarms go off and guest’s of honor get dumped. I’m taking a wild guess her neighborhood is dominated by white westerners though she would never say a black neighborhood is, alas, dominated by blacks. In fact I take it on faith none of SFF’s social justice warriors would ever live in a black neighborhood. It’s easier to defend from… Read more »
Julaire
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Bets on if “reparations in SFF” comes out along the lines of ‘those darn white male authors sell way more books than I do, so they should give me a some of their money so that we all earn the same income’ Marxist wealth distribution?

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
dyingearth, Wealth inherited by blood does not reliably pass down the generations. After the people who made it die, wealth can vanish rapidly. Very functional productive people can raise dysfunctional screw ups. Transmitting wealth across generations well seems to require using one generation’s money to help the next generation generate money. This works better in an organization that can select on ability to learn to generate money. Jim Crow saved the Democratic Party after the war of southern Democrat treason. Several of the Democratic Parties used murder, terrorism, and various other forms of oppression to advantage themselves at the cost… Read more »
Fail Burton
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Dyingearth, this was retweeted by the organizer of WisCon’s segregated room and dinner K. Tempest Bradford:

“white people #PSA: Your specific ancestors needn’t have been slave-owners or native-killers for you to benefit from white supremacy.”

I believe if the QUILTBAGs consult the race-chart they keep in a tabernacle at WisCon, you may be eligible for a discount. Although it does clamp the lid down tight on whites even if you were born in Poland 5 years ago.

cspschofield
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We do not owe Blacks reparations for slavery. Nobody alive today was a slave in America or owned slaves in America. What we do owe is reparations for allowing Progressive Twits to ruin inner city schools. They were never all that great, but there was a time when they could be counted on to graduate students who could read, write, and to basic math. The best way to pay these reparations would be vouchers. The second best way is to support private scholarships for inner city kids. But think how much FUN it would be to put Al “photographic negative… Read more »
michaelzwilliamson
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So, she wants white people to fix her problems for her…

BTW, she’s white. Her pics are photoshopped to look darker.

Joshua
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I’m not always the biggest fan of Vox Day as an internet polemicist, but you’ve gotta admit: his comments specifically about Jemisin were right on the money.

James
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I don’t find this surprising in the least. SFWA has been attack us (your fans, Larry) for years. They got the panties in a bunch because your fans voted for the Hugos. All because we’re not the ‘right’ type of fans.

mechgogogames
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Which PROVES how fucking stupid SFWA is because pretty much everyone I know is a libprog and most of my friends and family who I have shown Larry’s work to are PISSED that he doesn’t write faster and publish more frequently. Quality product is quality product, piss on the politics of the guy creating it.

ratseal
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I see someone that needs to go back for goodthink training. We will schedule that for you just as soon as you meet with the financial counselor on how you will contribute to the reparations fund.

pavepusher
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We need a T-Shirt:

The Social Justice Warriors’ 12-step Program

1. WE admit that YOU have a problem.

2. If you don’t, you’re racist.

3. …………

I’ll let the rest of you fill in the remainder….

cargosquid
Guest

I think that it’s good like that.

Jerry Pournelle
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Well said. I recall when fandom tolerated everything except violence. It was out pride to be so. That included tolerating all races at a time when many states were legally segregated and it took some courage to do so. It included tolerating all sexes and genders at a time when their actions were against local and state laws. It included toleration of bizarre piercings and very odd people indeed; all this in a time when the social order encouraged no such thing. Fandom welcomed fans, and to the best of our ability fans were treated equally. But we also tolerated… Read more »
cargosquid
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From Fail….
Lament today from the gracious Nebula-winner Aliette de Bodard: “SFF is, alas, dominated by white westerners,”

She’s French-Vietnamese. Born in the US. Lives in FRANCE.
She’s almost the very definition of “white westerner.” Hasn’t she heard…. Asian people aren’t “minority enough.”

Rob Hobart
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Amusingly, the Archon FaceBook page _just now_ finally got around to deleting the giant thread started by the trolling ponytailed Leftist douchebag.

red wolf
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These SJW types see racism and prejudice everywhere, because they are such hardcore bigots themselves (in MULTIPLE ways). It’s simple projection. They will continue to rant and rave in this regard, because somebody has to be continually scapegoated for their own prejudice. Abnormal Psychology 101. Well-known far Left genre writers are among the worst bigots in SF (in fact among the worst bigots period), on both sides of the Atlantic, but you know it’s PC moral relativist bigotry, so it’s just hunky dory. As ‘Fail Burton’ put it, Charles Stross blamed white guys from the Tea Party for the Boston… Read more »
Fail Burton
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What makes Stross’s comment even funnier is he wrote this 1 hour earlier: “The comments on this blog entry are not intended for wild speculation about the identity and motivation of the bombers; comments on those lines may be deleted, especially if I think they amount to hate speech directed against minorities.” It’s classic PC: they make up a rule intended to fight racism, break it, and then do that actual thing. It’s a pattern you see the PC do over and over again. The racist sexists they’re looking for are themselves, because other than a few individuals here and… Read more »
ratseal
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Fail – can you provide either a cite or steer me to where I can find it? This is in regards to the 50% of paperbacks are romance and 80% of those… comment above.

Not arguing, just interested in using this data if you have a cite.

Fail Burton
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“Illouz discloses more staggering numbers: Romance novels are a billion-dollar-a-year industry and make up 46 percent of all mass-market paperbacks sold in America”

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117814/50-shades-grey-academic-study-feminist-point-view

My understanding is that the total share is about 1/4.

A 2005 PDF from the Romance Writers of America states “54.9% of paperback sales in 2004 were romance fiction—which is almost half of all paperback fiction sold” and “39.3% of all fiction sold is romance.” Wiki confirms the first.

I couldn’t find the author thing again but I found another that suggested it was a much higher female authorship. If you Google it I’m sure you’ll find it.

Synova
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It’s hard to know how many men might be writing romance because romance is one of the fields where it is *absolutely* necessary to use a gender specific pseudonym.

Joe in PNG
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The SJW’s are using the wrong historical model. It is as if they want to set up a 12th century aristrocracy, but based on carefully categorized classifications of race, gender, yadda yadda.

As artist, better to look at the music world, with the Jazz scene being perhaps the best model. The governing factor is “are they good” rather than “we need to fill a minority quota”.

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Fail Burton
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As is usual with the PC, their own reality trumps satire. “Retweeted by N. K. Jemisin Ribbon Knight ‏@ribbonknight 4h Here’s my liveblog of the Reconciliation Within SF/F panel: http://laceblade.dreamwidth.org/703482.html #wiscon #SFFReconciliation” No sooner do I make a satirical hashtag “#reparationsinSFF,” here, than a real one appears there. Not only that, the panel semi-transcript quotes Jemisin’s Australia speech. The link with the transcript is informative to say the least, and I urge you all to read it. Or you can just bang your head against a wall – same difference. Here is a quote attributed to Jemisin: “NKJ: That was… Read more »
T.L. Knighton
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I keep trying to figure out what this “reconciliation” talk is all about. I mean, they’re the ones on a tirade about how horrible white men are and going on about how they don’t want to read another book written by a white man, but somehow we are supposed to reconcile with them? Um…no. Just no. Even if there was some institutional racism, none of us alive had anything to do with it. Something that’s been on my mind though. They talk about diversity in SFF, and I get that. But there’s something they keep missing. People who write SFF… Read more »
Fail Burton
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The problem is this outreach is always in the context of what idiots white men are. Diversity is a natural thing. You can’t hatefully social engineer a hobby or make up black readers that don’t exist. How are you going to stuff black people into demolition derby – put up posters saying “Please forgive our racism – you’ll like smashing cars?” That kind of thing is not going to increase readership but decrease it. “Rocket ships are fun black people!!! You just don’t know it yet!!!” The assumption black people want in and are being kept out is absurd. What… Read more »
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jackwilliamfinley
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Reblogged this on Dark Visions.

Guess
Guest

I’m a democrat and this is bullshit. Archon did a CYA. Larry I like your books. We are not all like this… Each party has idiots on their side. I just want to read books I like. I don’t background check authors.

Never been to a con. So I can’t speak to what they are like.

Wes S.
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Wow. Seems the chick who got Vox Day thrown out of SFWA just basically called for a race war.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/05/qed.html

A sample of her manifesto: “(Incidentally: Mr. Various Diseases, Mr. Civility, and Misters and Misses Free Speech At All Costs, if you represent the civilization to which I’m supposed to aspire then I am all savage, and damned proud of it. You may collectively kiss my black ass)…”

Well, at least Nemisin’s latest spew is marginally more readable than that weird dinosaur-porn-revenge-fantasy thing that won a Nebula Award a week or so back…

Exit question: We’re supposed to worry about Vox?

Synova
Guest

Almost sounds like a break through of sorts. As a descendant of pillaging Scandi’s (or at least their stay-at-home farming siblings) I’ve long been damned proud of my barbarian roots.

It’s far healthier to decide to quit playing and do your own thing than it is to constantly fuss and strive and complain that the rules aren’t fair.

Of course, without “free speech at all costs” you might not have the RIGHT to say eff-it and go start your own game and do your own thing… but realizing that takes a bit more thought.

Dave W.
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“SFWA did throw that one bigot out, though plenty more remain”

She’s right, plenty more DO remain. She and her SJW misandrists are still there.

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DorfMeister
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I entered Social Justice Warriors as a band name to the tumblr site:

http://bandnamefile.tumblr.com/

Sorry, it was too good to pass up…

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