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An explanation about the Hugo awards controversy

A few days ago the finalists for the Hugo were announced. The Hugos are the big prestigious award for science fiction and fantasy. One of my books was a finalist for best novel. A bunch of other works that I recommended showed up in other categories. Because I’m an outspoken right winger, hilarity ensued.

Many of you have never heard of me before, but the internet was quick to explain to you what a horrible person I am. There have been allegations of fraud, vote buying, log rolling, and making up fake accounts. The character assassination has started as well, and my detractors posted and tweeted and told anyone who would listen about how I was a racist, a homophobe, a misogynist, a rape apologist, an angry white man, a religious fanatic, and how I wanted to drag homosexuals to death behind my pickup truck.

The libel and slander over the last few days have been so ridiculous that my wife was contacted by people she hasn’t talked to for years, concerned that she was married to such a horrible, awful, hateful, bad person, and that they were worried for her safety.

I wish I was exaggerating. Don’t take my word for it. My readers have been collecting a lot of them in the comments of the previous Hugo post and on my Facebook page. Plug my name into Google for the last few days. Make sure to read the comments to the various articles too. They’re fantastic.

Of course, none of this stuff is true, but it was expected. I knew if I succeeded I would be attacked. To the perpetually outraged the truth doesn’t matter, just feelings and narrative. I’d actually like to thank all of those people making stuff up about me because they are proving the point I was trying to make to begin with.

Allow me to explain why the presence of my slate on the Hugo nominations is so controversial. This is complicated and your time is valuable, so short explanation first, longer explanation if you care after.

Short Version:

  1. I said a chunk of the Hugo voters are biased toward the left, and put the author’s politics far ahead of the quality of the work. Those openly on the right are sabotaged. This was denied.
  2. So I got some right wingers on the ballot.
  3. The biased voters immediately got all outraged and mobilized to do exactly what I said they’d do.
  4. Point made.

I’ve said for a long time that the awards are biased against authors because of their personal beliefs. Authors can either cheer lead for left wing causes, or they can keep their mouth shut. Open disagreement is not tolerated and will result in being sabotaged and slandered. Message or identity politics has become far more important than entertainment or quality. I was attacked for saying this. I knew that when an admitted right winger got in they would be maligned and politicked against, not for the quality of their art but rather for their unacceptable beliefs.

If one of us outspoken types got nominated, the inevitable backlash, outrage, and plans for their sabotage would be very visible. So I decided to prove this bias and launched a campaign I called Sad Puppies (because boring message fiction is the leading cause of Puppy Related Sadness).

The Hugos are supposed to be about honoring the best works, and many of the voters still take this responsibility very seriously. I thank them for this. But basically the Hugos are a popularity contest decided by the attendees of WorldCon. I am a popular writer, however my fans aren’t typical WorldCon attendees. Anyone who pays to purchase a WorldCon membership is allowed to vote. Other writers, bloggers, and even publishing houses have encouraged their fans to get involved in the nomination process before. I simply did the same thing. This controversy arises only because my fans are the wrong kind of fans.

For the people saying that I bought votes, or made up fake people, or bought memberships for a couple hundred imaginary relatives, nope. For those saying I committed fraud, put up or shut up. That would be extremely easy to prove if it were the case. I’ve been up front and public the whole time. Sadly, the thing which has so damaged your calm consisted of a few blog posts and I drew a cartoon. And I’m a terrible artist: http://monsterhunternation.com/2014/01/14/sad-puppies-2-the-illustrated-edition/

Eventually one of my friends colored the cartoon in PhotoShop and one of my fans thought it was funny and made a video. Sorry, outrage crowd. No big evil conspiracy. An evil right winger is treading in your sacred halls because of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzGKlOkQsxY

I mean, seriously, my spokesman was a manatee. No. I’m not making that up. So Sad Puppies 2: Rainbow Puppy Lighthouse The Huggening got my fans involved. Really, that was what we called it. Because writing is such a serious business.

Even last year’s winner, John Scalzi, has said that I did nothing different than what he and other authors have done before. And Scalzi and I seldom agree on anything. Tor.com wrote a scathing bit condemning my actions (and implied what a horrid writer I am). Of course, the very same website did the exact same thing explaining to Wheel of Time fans how the rules allowed them to nominate all 14 books as a single work and encouraged them to get involved. And a cursory Google search by my fans found dozens of other places where authors, reviewers, and bloggers had pushed their favorite works and tried to get fans involved.

We always hear about how fandom is supposed to be inclusive… Only apparently my fans are the wrong kind of fans. They don’t care about the liberal cause of the day. They don’t care about Social Justice. They like their books entertaining rather than preachy. They probably vote incorrectly. That sort of thing.

The last few days have been kind of awesome. I said that for the Hugo’s the writer’s politics were more important than the quality of their work. I was called a liar. Yet, within a couple of hours of the announcement there were multiple posts from the other side where groups of SJWs were strategizing how to make sure No Award beat me, and how to punish every other artist I recommended as well. Others were complaining that the rules needed to be changed to keep the undesirables out. All of this was while they proudly bragged how they had not read me, nor ever would… because tolerance. Hell if I know.

For those who have heard that I’m a terrible, undeserving writer whose mere presence is a mockery of their sacred system, but haven’t read any of my books, I’m actually pretty decent. Feel free to judge for yourself. For the record, my novel that is nominated, Warbound, is the final book in a trilogy that has sold extremely well, been translated into a bunch of other languages where it has also done well, gotten tons of positive reviews (out of the thousands of reviews for this series from across all the various different places I’m still at 4 ½ stars) won and been nominated for other awards, is one of the bestselling and most praised audiobook series there is, has won two Audies, is currently nominated for a third, and been a finalist for best novel in other countries where I don’t speak the language and can’t campaign, so there is that…

But everybody knows bad people can’t create art, says the side that keeps showering Roman Polanski with awards.

In closing, I would really like everybody who is a voting member of WorldCon to actually read the works in each category and vote based upon which ones they think are best. I fully expect Wheel of Time to win my category of best novel. It is a fourteen book epic written by two authors over twenty six years. Duh.

Personally, my goal has been reached. I got the thought police to show the world their pretty pink panties. 🙂

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Long Version:

Now here are the behind the scenes details for whoever wants the whole story.

Bias and Motivation: In this business, most writers who are conservative, republican, libertarian, or devoutly religious have needed to keep their head down so as to not rock the boat and damage their careers. This damage comes from two directions, the publishing industry which is based in Manhattan and which is uniformly left wing, which will hurt careers out of spite, and also from the small, but extremely vocal left wing fans who swoop in to crush all dissent. I like to call them the Social Justice Warriors.

If right wing authors share their opinions, they will be openly chastised and attacked by very vocal, very angry people. Any deviation from the approved narrative is met with scorn, mockery, character assassination, and because the author doesn’t want to damage his career, he will usually fall back into line and shut his mouth. Basically if you step out, they form an angry mob and attack you until you roll over and apologize for something that shouldn’t be apologized for. Once you’re apologizing for your principles, they own you. They really don’t know what to do about people like me.

This squashing worked for them for years, which helped establish this vision that genre fic, much like Hollywood and the rest of media, was monolithically left. In reality people like me sell a ton of books. SJWs became a powerful voting block for the Hugo’s and pushed their favorite topic of the day as the best works. Many regular readers became turned off or annoyed. Genre fiction fans are as diverse as the rest of the country. As time has gone on, more and more of us creators have gotten pissed off and started being open about our beliefs. I sold machineguns and did gun rights lobbying before I got my first book published, so being in the closet about my politics was never an option for me.

My first realization about how messed up this system was dates back to when I was first starting out. One of the smaller voting blocks at WorldCon is made up of Baen fans. They got me a nomination for the Campbell award for best new author. I was brand new, hardly anybody except for them had heard of me. No problem… Except then people looked to see who these new guys were, and they discovered that I was a Mormon, who owned a gun store, and who’d done gun rights lobbying for the Republican party, and had been running a gun nut political blog for years… Whoops. The SJWs had a complete come apart and began warning each other what a terrible, awful, horrible, bad person I was. (most of them were downright gleeful to proclaim they would never read any books from someone so despicable). A reviewer declared that Larry Correia winning the Campbell would “end literature forever”. They hadn’t read my book. The funny thing is that I was actually much more polite to my detractors on the internet back then. Within 24 hours of the announcement I knew that I would be dead last. People who believed this stuff physically avoided me at WorldCon because they’d been told how I was unsafe.

But there is no bias.

After that I got back to the business of writing books. I’ve published ten more since then. I probably would have been content to ignore awards and just keep on cashing my royalty checks, but the SJWs had to just keep on annoying me, by mocking and insulting me and my friends. A writer can only be told they’re not a *real* writer (because of their badthink) so many times before we say screw it and hoist the black flag. If you’re curious how come my fans ponied up perfectly good money to get involved, it is because they’ve been watching this transpire in the comments here, on my FB page, and on Twitter for several years. They felt invested.

This SJW angry mob inquisition has been a gradual and relatively recent development in our culture, mostly as a result of the anonymous and instant internet. It isn’t just for writers, but the demand for a rigid conformity which is expected from the entire entertainment industry. There are many on the left who cannot tolerate opposing viewpoints or philosophies, so when they arise, they must be stomped down. Any deviation from conformity is met with immediate outrage. They have been doing it to people on my side for so long that it is simply expected by us. We are used to it.

However, it comes as a shock to reasonable people on the left when so emboldened the SJWs begin to do the same thing to people on their own side. Stephen Colbert says something they don’t like. Outrage. Patton Oswalt simply agrees with someone on my side. Outrage. Jonathan Ross might say something in the future. Outrage. Patrick Rothfuss says maybe fandom shouldn’t be so quick to outrage. Outrage. Wil Wheaton simply retweets Rothfuss. Outrage. So on and so forth. It doesn’t even matter that all of these people are staunch allies of the outrage crowd, the mob has been programmed to attack, so they do.

Responding to the insults: I wasn’t joking about Google searching my name and reading the comments. Holy moly, it really is enlightening what we’re dealing with here.

First off, I know it doesn’t matter what I say here, because we’ve already seen hundreds of time that they’ll ignore my actual words and just make up new ones for me.

The thing is everybody who knows me knows that I’m actually a nice guy and all that stuff is a bunch of crap. Yes, I am extremely rude to people who attack me on the internet. It saves us all time that way. Six years of this has worn away my thin veneer of civility. Don’t show up, call me a racist teabagger, and then expect reasoned discourse. We all know where we are going to end up eventually, so why not skip all that passive aggressive foreplay and get down to where we’re going to end up anyway, with you making up stuff, and me kicking your ass.

Many of my writer friends who’ve had the option of keeping their heads down and their beliefs secret think that I’m crazy to be so public. I have a response ready for them, I usually pick out whatever topic it is that I know they personally feel very strongly about, but which goes against the accepted group think of the Social Justice Warriors and ask them to go write a blog post sharing their honest beliefs, and then see what happens. Of course, none of them ever take me up on it, because they know that the caring and tolerant crowd would immediately and blindly lash out.

The funny thing about the misogyny, racism, and homophobic allegations, is that I was a self-defense instructor for the better part of a decade and certified literally thousands of people to carry concealed firearms. I taught women, minorities, homosexuals, didn’t matter, often on my own dime, all because I think people who would try to drag anyone to death behind a pickup truck will have a difficult time doing so after they have a pair of hollow points placed into their chest cavity at high speed. Unlike the SJWs, I don’t just pay lip service to empowerment.

Since I’m a prolific political blogger, with thousands of posts to pick through, you’d think these people would have some actual example of where I’d been racist, homophobic, or misogynist, but they don’t. Go figure. In reality, all of us right wingers simply know that the outrage crowd attacking us is so boringly predictable that we have a checklist ready to go for them: http://monsterhunternation.com/2013/09/20/the-internet-arguing-checklist/

Politically, I’m more of a libertarian than anything. Of all the things I’ve been called over the last few days, the most hurtful thing said was that I was a NeoCon who believed in big government welfare (that’s a bit more offensive than the woman who insinuated I’m a wife beater). If they’re looking for homophobia on my blog, they’re always sad when they discover that I’m not against gay marriage, mostly because I’m far more frightened of the overreaching federal government telling people what to do than I am of gay cooties. The angry privileged white man bit is kind of funny since legally I’m not white and I grew up in a poor immigrant community. But facts should never get in the way of a good narrative.

It is kind of sad that some republicans getting nominated is far more controversial than actual communists and socialists winning. Last time I looked those particular philosophies had killed over a hundred million people over the last hundred years, but there’s absolutely no bias in the awards…
Allegations of fraud: I also had another goal, which I never shared publically during my campaigning. I had heard many allegations of fraud in the nomination process from other authors. Tossed votes, far lower than expected counts, that sort of thing. I am a full time author now, but I am a retired auditor. I love looking for fraud. I do spreadsheets and statistical analysis for fun. So I wanted to see if votes were being tossed. When Sad Puppies 1 launched I kept track of who said they were voting, kept a tally, and then kept their emails so if necessary I could ask for their registration receipts. My suggested slate in other categories would help provide check figures in the smaller categories. (But for the record, everything I suggested was something that I read, enjoyed, and thought was of superior quality and deserving of an award).

The final numbers for last year were within the expected deviation. No red flags. LonCon has struck me as perfectly honest in my dealings with them. So I’m happy to say that I see no evidence of dishonesty in the nominating process. That is excellent.

So me being accused of making up fake voters is kind of funny since you can go through my blog and Facebook comments and see all the real live genre fiction fans I’ve been collecting.

Applying a little critical thinking to this (something Social Justice Warriors struggle with) I’m a popular author. I have more daily blog readers than the total attendance of WorldCon. And not only that, my fans aren’t casual, they are hardcore. I just did a Kickstarter and sold over a hundred thousand dollars worth of merchandise related to one of my book series. (still waiting on those last 70 coins, dang it, stupid broken molds!). That’s not a typo, over $100,000 of merchandise on one project in a month… My last Kickstarter before that did $85,000. So what’s more likely, my fans are hard core and have enough disposal income to drop $40 to make a point to an annoying group of people who despises my fans, or that I spent thousands of dollars of my own money to make up imaginary relatives?

Please, keep in mind, my fan base is the same group that routinely is able to sway the entire ranking system of the biggest online book retailer in the world. Once a month, I pick a book, Book Bomb it, and my fans move it onto the Amazon bestseller lists. I’d say that the evidence suggests that A. I’ve got fans. B. They like books. C. Many of them have money.

I find it fascinating that many people on the left end of the spectrum actually believe that their beliefs are the norm among genre fiction readers. They’ve created an echo chamber to validate each other. They’ve taken over SFWA and dominate the conversation there. They’re right and good and any who disagree are evil and bad. They formed a powerful voting block in the most prestigious awards and once a year they could reinforce just how brilliant and important they are by nominating their friends to the various categories. In the last Sad Puppies post’s comments my fans collected a whole bunch of the SJW’s tweets demonstrating this mindset, where conservatives are these anti-science flyover country barbarians who are dying off… Yet, they’re totally oblivious to the fact that guys like me sell a lot of books because there is a big market out there who is tired of being preached at about the SJW cause of the day, and just wants to enjoy their fiction again. They can’t wrap their brains around the fact that people like me are more popular than they are out in the world.

Storytellers win where it counts, BOOK SALES. The SJW contingent wins awards. If the barbarians start taking awards from them they’ll have nothing left.

No wonder they are so angry.

EDIT:  I must add the best new bit of character assassination… Larry Correia’s Sad Puppies was where he threatened to kill puppies if his fans didn’t vote. 😀

 

The Controversial Slate: For the record, I’m only the second most hated man who got a nomination. The most despised is Vox Day by far, however, I’m the one who suggested him to my fans who were participating in Sad Puppies 2. So if he’s their devil, I’m the antichrist.

Let’s back up. The reason Vox is so hated is that he is the only person ever kicked out of SFWA. He makes me look cuddly and diplomatic. He was expelled from SFWA because the powers that be decided he was a racist, in fact, it was so obvious that he was racist that it only took a thirty page thesis explaining how stuff he said was actually racist, including the leadership of SFWA searching through the vile cesspool that is Stormfront until they found some nazi skin head who used similar words, and then holding him accountable for things that posters said in his blog comments (us right wing bloggers don’t believe in censorship so we don’t “manage” or “massage” our comments like they do) then they kicked him out for misusing their Twitter account.

Basically, he called Nora Jesmin an “ignorant half-savage” and that pissed everybody off. See, Nora, is a beloved libprog activist and Social Justice Warrior, and all the reports of her victimization at the hands of the villainous Vox usually leave out the parts where she’d been hurling personal insults at him for years. Myself? I thought that comment might be a bit over the line, but then again, Google search my name and see what the SJW’s have been calling me for the last few days. It is way worse that ignorant or savage, and I think I’m darker skinned than K. Tempest Bradford. I’ve yet to see any SJWs condemning those comments about me. Tolerance is a one way street with them.

I didn’t really know the guy that well before he started pissing so many people off, but having been character assassinated myself, I’ve learned never to take the internet’s word about somebody’s character. Having actually talked with, and then gotten into long arguments and debates with Vox, he is a contrarian, can be a jerk is extremely opinionated, but I honestly don’t think he’s a racist (He’s also not a white guy, but most of the people attacking him don’t know that). We’ve had some long, heated debates on different subjects now, but since I’m not a panty twisted liberal, I can handle differing beliefs.

We disagree about a lot. I disagree with him on some fundamental philosophy. His “rabid hateful” views on homosexuality match about a third of America, most staunch Catholics, and he’s far more moderate on the issue than any devout Muslim or average European villager. So I disagree with him, but he’s not the out there whackadoo his detractors make him out to be, but then again, these same people say I want to drag gays to death behind my truck, so take the hate with a grain of salt. He thinks I’m nuts on several topics, but the dude is smart, and he can write. As for the people saying he “bought” the awards… Holy moly, you’ve got no idea what his day job is. If the man wanted to simply buy votes, he’d be up for everything from Best Novel to Motor Trend Car of the Year.

So when I was putting together my slate and looking for ideas, I remembered his novelette that I read earlier that year. I was surprised by how good it was. I found it to be a really good story (it is actually about love and friendship, with a moral philosophy based on Thomas Aquinas, so not really what you’d expect from such a supposed hatemonger of hatey-hate). I plugged it to my fans earlier this year, which meant that a lot of them had read it as well. To be fair, it was only my second favorite work I read of that size this year, but that’s a tough one because I believe that Brad Torgersen is the best new sci-fi writer around. So I threw them both on the slate.

Yes, I will totally admit that I knew this would spur additional outrage. And oh, how I was proven right. His existence offends them. They aren’t going to read his work. They’re proud to admit it. In the spirit of the awards, a certain Tor editor—who has no problem marching with communists—is pushing for everyone to automatically vote No Award over Vox. Stay classy, noble Social Justice Warrior, but once again, there’s no bias.

The thing is, even if what these people say about Vox is true,(and I personally think it is as grossly exaggerated as anything else these people decide to attack) what they’re declaring is that assholes can’t make good art… Well, the entire history of art would like to disagree with you. Truly brilliant works of art have been created by people who are bat shit crazy. So now that it is nominated, how about you goose stepping morons try reading books instead of burning them?

The SJW contingent isn’t just outraged that these vile hatemongers are on there, but since I’m popular and I riled up a whole bunch of normally uninvolved fans, most of the stuff I suggested also wound up on there too. My other nomination for best novel was for Sarah Hoyt’s (a Latino immigrant woman) story with a gay male as its main PoV character and hero… It checks all their boxes! Oh, but wait… Sarah’s a libertarian and I only nominated A Few Good Men because it was a really good book and not for social justice. Only not as many of my fans had read that one yet, so it didn’t make the list. So much for that monolithic group think thing we’re supposed to have going on over here.

Normally, media tie in fiction, as in books relating to games, movies, etc. is considered contemptible by the WorldCon voters. Tie in writers are looked down on and sneered at by the literati. You’ve got writers who’ve written hundreds of books, like Anderson, Stackpole, or Zahn, with some of them being brilliant, but it would be a cold day in hell before some media tie in fiction got any respect at WorldCon. In any normal year a work of tie in fiction getting a nomination would be extremely controversial. This year it doesn’t even make a blip on the radar.

Peter David writes Star Trek novels, comic books, and other things. I saw a post from him lamenting how sad it was that a racist got on the ballot but tie in fiction can’t… Little did he realize that my slate pushed the excellent Butcher of Khardov by Dan Wells, which is Warmachine tie in fiction, and got it a nomination for Best Novella. As far as I’m aware, in the history of the Hugos this has never happened before… So you’re welcome, Peter. My “wrong kind of fans” broke new ground for you on the very same slate.

It has made me sad to see Dan Wells getting caught up in their hate. Dan is one of the nicest people I’ve ever met, and he’s a political moderate. I nominated Butcher because it is excellent. It is a story about a homicidal maniac that made me tear up at the end. And now the same people who despise me without having ever read my fiction are conspiring against this brilliant, creative, artist simply for the crime of being recommended by a bad person like me.

But there’s no bias…

I thought it was interesting that the Fanzine category, which is normally dominated by the same handful of groups year after year, taking turns giving each other the Hugo, is actually totally shaken up this year with new nominees… Because last year I demonstrated what happened when a creator simply asked their fans to get involved, so people did. And those little categories can be swayed by a couple dozen votes. Of course, those old Fanzines with their closets full of Hugos simply love me now. 🙂

Toni Weisskopf is one of the most successful and prolific editors in publishing. She’s edited some of the most successful authors in genre fiction, discovered tons of new talent, and runs one of the biggest sci-fi publishing houses in the country… Everybody in the industry knows Toni. The woman is brilliant. Yet did you know that she’d never gotten a Hugo nomination until I launched Sad Puppies? Back during Sad Puppies, some Fanzine (that had like 30 Hugo nominations) was offended by the uncouth barbarity of me asking my people (the wrong kind of fans) to get involved, but even they had to admit that Toni Weisskopf deserved a Hugo.

Meanwhile, the Tor editor who is cool with his followers organizing to vote No Award against the barbaric interlopers? Ten nominations. But there is absolutely no bias in the awards.

I actually got Marko Kloos nominated for the Campbell as well, but it turned out he had his first pro sale in 2011 so he was ineligible. I nominated him because Terms of Enlistment was a really good debut novel. So of my slate, I only missed a single category.

And as they scream and rail against me, this is what my fans accomplished while mildly amused and a little annoyed. Keep attacking us with crazy accusations and maybe I’ll do this again next year, only with more manatees.

 

Actually reading the books. Crazy idea, I know. The people warning others not to read the nominated works because of badthink. Good. They’re simply demonstrating that they are the small minded, bigoted, control freak, censorship loving, statists I accused them of being.

Now for everybody else who isn’t a jerk, I would encourage you to read the works for yourself and rank them accordingly.

Brandon Sanderson posted about this. Most of the WorldCon voters really want the Hugo to be about quality and art more than politics, and they take their voting very seriously. I agree with him. His fans are being attacked in some quarters as well because they are outsiders. I thought his response to this was very well reasoned. Brandon is a class act. I look forward to his inevitable mud stomping of me and the other competitors.

I actually had a Stross novel on my nightstand to be read when the announcements were made. I’ve read Mira Grant and think she’s a solid writer. I’d encourage anybody who signed up because of Sad Puppies to read and vote based upon the quality of the work.

Tor owes me. Now, in any normal year, the entire fourteen book series of the Wheel of Time, written over 26 years, by two different authors being nominated as “best novel” would be by far the most controversial thing about the Hugos. Instead most of the outragers are spending their energy praying Vox gets cancer.

You are welcome, Tor. Now please go down to Tor.com and tell some of your idiot bloggers to at least try and get their facts straight before they make shit up about me. And to that one junior editor who supposedly could only make it through the first 20 pages of Hard Magic, part of being an editor is finding sellable talent, and I’ve sold the hell out of this series in multiple countries now, so you must really suck at your job.

The rules allow WoT to be considered a novel, so it is there. I’d ask readers to judge the works accordingly. If you love the WoT, vote for it. But please, actually read some of it and don’t vote for it simply because Rand was awesome when you were in middle school. It is bad enough to be outnumbered 27 pages to one, but none of us can compete with 12 year old you’s nostalgia.

That said, my money is on Brandon. 🙂

The Actual Awards. To the morons who keep talking about how they wouldn’t “feel safe” if I attended WorldCon, you may untwist your panties. I’m not going. That’s the same weekend as GenCon, which is actually fun (and has an excellent writing track by the way). If I’m going to go all the way to England, it is going to be to play tourist around a beautiful country, not sit around being lectured on the dangers of cismale gendernormative fascism and neocolonial patriarchy.

And seriously, when you “feel unsafe” in real life you usually end up calling somebody like my average fan to come save you, so quit the drama queen act. It is annoying as hell.

I don’t expect to win anything, and don’t really care. I got my trophy as soon as the Social Justice Warrior contingent demonstrated to the world that they’re a bunch of hypocritical little fascists.

Utah, it is RINO season!
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Larry Mitchell
Guest

bravo. well said

Aaron Mishler
Guest

Double bravo!

Surfacedog
Guest

Dang…

I just recently started reading your books (Monster Hunter Intl) and had no idea of your political viewpoint. Having read up on this ‘controversy’ and your incredibly literate column above, I think I’m going to part with some more of my hard-earned cash and read more of you. And the authors you’ve recommended.

Jonny Primrose
Guest

Congrats to everyone involved both left and right for being complete babies And injecting politics into a place it has no place being. Can you nut jobs (both Left & Right) sling mud in some other part of town ,

Miguel
Guest

” To the morons who keep talking about how they wouldn’t “feel safe” if I attended WorldCon, you may untwist your panties. I’m not going. ”

OK, but do go next year and invite the true hardcore MHI fans to the shindig. We will dress up like we were going to a Monster Hunter convention in Vegas.

Murphy7
Guest

I would absolutely be down for that. Perhaps we should do something visibly hateful, like wear T-Shirts that were sold where most of the proceeds went to the wounded warrior project or something similar.

You know, just another pebble for their shoes.

Jeff Gauch
Guest

I want to see T-shirts with “International Minion of Hate” on the front and a cartoon of a cowering snowflake about to be destroyed by a huge dude (or a – ahem – buoyant woman) with a massive flame-thrower.

carbonel
Guest

How about “International Minions of Hate” over the picture of a cute puppy with “saving the world from puppy related sadness since 2013”

lujlp
Guest

Wounded Warrior charity is a scam. 60% goes to administrative costs, a lot goes to running adds, and the money left over for charity s donated to other charities which then take their administrative and advertising cuts.

CiceroTheLatest
Guest
According to the Better Business Bureau, Wounded Warrior Project financial information for the fiscal year ended September 30, 2011: Uses of Funds as a % of Total Expenses Programs: 83% Fund Raising: 13% Administrative: 4% Total income $123,869,345 Program expenses $89,466,336 Fund raising expenses 13,883,984 Administrative expenses 4,727,106 Total expenses $108,077,426 Income in Excess of Expenses 15,791,919 Beginning net assets 14,565,525 Ending net assets 30,357,444 Total liabilities 6,035,145 Total assets $36,392,589 Programs: Alumni association 19,367,642 Soldier ride 14,707,505 Combat stress recovery 13,770,349 Family support services 8,676,894 Physical health and rehabilitation 6,743,782 Benefits service 6,016,023 TRACK 4,447,842 Warriors to work 4,180,581… Read more »
Achillea
Guest

I use Charity Navigator for that. They have the ’12 fiscal year report up for the Wounded Warrior Project.

Program Expenses – 57.9%
Administrative Expenses 5.6%
Fundraising Expenses 36.3%
Fundraising Efficiency $0.23
Primary Revenue Growth 78.6%
Program Expenses Growth 62.9%
Working Capital Ratio (years) 0.93

Book
Guest

OMG that would be AWESOME. I’m totally dressing up like a “sexy” internet troll. 😀

Etaoin Shrdlu
Guest

>sexy internet troll
So, something like Oderus Urungus, but with less codpiece and more exposure?

Wes S.
Guest

“Sexy internet troll.” I’m now having visions of Melvin the Troll from MHI wearing lingerie. Eek. I did not need that.

*shudders*

Mike in Seattle
Guest

I would just like to say, that MHI is now to blame for far to many ‘Internet Troll’ appearances in my Shadowrun games. Damn you!

🙂

I’m fairly sure ‘Internet Troll webcam’ will break every players head.

muwahaha.

Thomas Monaghan
Guest

Well since Worldcon is in Spokane next year there’s no excuse for missing it!!

perlhaqr
Guest

Oh yeah? *starts planning the road trip*

junior
Guest

Really? I served my mission up there. Not sure this is a good time for me to go back, though.

On another note, Larry should let it be known that he’s attending the next one. It would probably keep some of the SJW crowd from attending (given how the guy is a ticking time bomb and all *cough* ), which would further depress the votes for their “message before enjoyment” tomes.

😛

William O. B'Livion
Guest

Washington is a fairly “free” state when it comes to firearms.

I’d imagine a large influx of Monster Hunter types would have enough hardware to suppress any problems that would arise.

Safest WorldCon *EVER*.

salgak
Guest

Think of it: Hundreds of MHN members, wandering the Worldcon. Each their very own walking “trigger warning”.

I see SJWs vaporlocking left and right.. . .

Bruce
Guest

Hmmm…I have relatives in Spokane – one of which was an Olympic track & field coach and “got” to meet Putin at the Moscow Olympics when Vlad was a young KGB agent.

bearcat
Guest

Hour and a half from my house, might have to be the first con I ever attend. 🙂

Alan
Guest

I know you’ve given up on the idea of winning. But wouldn’t it be amazinng if you did?

Honestly, every author who gets any amount of success usually earns himself a few jealous enemies. Anyone nominated for any prestigious award has people who resent him. But you have gotten the brunt of something bigger than that. For some reason, it’s as though a law was passed exempting you from legal protections against slander and hate.

I’ve got to say I’m seeing real proof of liberal bias in the publishing community, and I wish more people would speak up about it.

thewriterinblack
Guest

There’s a point in that. If you’re feeling really vindictive, Larry, you might want to talk to a lawyer–some of the stuff directed at you might rise to the level of being actionable.

RightWingProf
Guest

Keep twisting panties, Larry. You seem to be ticking off all the reight people.

Vidad
Guest

“You seem to be ticking off all the reight people.”

I think you meant to type “reich” people. (snicker)

Leatherwing
Guest
I was reading through this blog post http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/015838.html (where many are planning how they will respond to both the sad puppy slate and the Wheel of Time nomination) and saw this interesting rule brought up * That voting behavior may result in a situation where a number of the down-ballot races fall afoul of Section 3.11.2 of the WSFS Constitution, which says that no award will be given in a particular category if the total number of valid ballots cast in that category is less than 25% of the total number of final award ballots received. It would be comical… Read more »
AmyCat
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Leatherwing, implying that the Puppy Brigade voters should try to sabotage voting so that “the down-ballot categories” all get No Award would leave you guilty of the same sort of voting on politics rather than on the quality of the works which Mr. Correia attributes to the “SJW crowd”. As a bookseller who’s been a fan since before “Star Wars”, and attending WorldCons off and on since 1980, I believe Mr. Correia overestimates the power and desire of liberal fans to blacklist conservative writers. For every vehemently-outspoken “liberal” fan, there’s a conservative/libertarian fan blogging against “P.C. censorship”. David Weber and… Read more »
Arnold Tijerina
Guest
People have said Stephen King and J.K. Rowling aren’t real writers as well. I’ve seen many times over the years where they slam King on how horrible of a writer he is. Book critic Harold Bloom said that Stephen King was “an immensely inadequate writer on a sentence-by-sentence, paragraph-by-paragraph, book-by-book basis.” He went on to say about J.K. Rowling “that [her] prose style, heavy on cliche, makes no demands upon her readers….How to read Harry Potter and the Sorceror’s Stone? Why, very quickly, to begin with, perhaps also to make an end. Why read it? Presumably, if you cannot be… Read more »
Kent G. Budge
Guest

While I agree with your basic point, I find your examples unfortunate. I suspect Bloom is right (for once) about Rowlings.

Eamon J. Cole
Guest
Kent (The Bold), I’m going to disagree. I’ve read the books, they’re light reading, no huge surprises, and not written as adult books. She’s not going to unseat Shakespeare, by any means. But she’s hardly worthy of such condemnation and contempt as Bloom trots out. I’ve had occasion to read much, much worse. (I’ve been in more than one spot where reading material was thin on the ground, it’s why I’ve read the Potter series.) But, more importantly, she tempted so many kids into reading, new readers who have gone on to read more, bigger and better. Many kids who… Read more »
thewriterinblack
Guest
I’ve written about the disdain the “literati” types have for popular fiction and how very misplaced it is. To be popular, writing must touch something in the heart of a wide swath of people. One might dismiss that “something” as a cheap thrill, but it is there and it is real. I may not like Stephen King’s books (I managed to get through one. One.) but there’s no denying that he can write stuff that grabs a lot of people. And it’s not just fadish “flash in the pan” stuff, but things that keep selling, year after year. In Star… Read more »
Austin
Guest

I voted for you for two reasons:

1) Warbound was awesome and I’ve reread it twice (and listened to it once) since it came out. It deserves recognition. And an HBO miniseries.

2) I knew if you got nominated there would be dozens of popcorn worthy fiskings, Twitter fights, and awesome blog posts. And I already bought an economy pack of popcorn.

So, I guess that means I’m one of your hateful hatey hate minions.

Aimee Morgan
Guest

Anyone know where the next World Con is being held?

Skip
Guest

Spokane in 2015, I think. I went to the last two, in San Antonio and Chicago, but I don’t think I’ll be attending them going forward unless they’re in the neighborhood.

Quilly
Guest

Spokane.

And well said, Larry!

Eric Waggle
Guest

Mr Correia, no matter what I think of your politics or the way you express them, I love your books with a passion and believe you deserve a genuine chance at a Hugo. I wish you luck.

Tony Muhlenkamp
Guest

All that being said, and utterly fascinating and all, I hope you’ll keep writing so I can keep reading. I’m not a “fan” or part of “fandom” but I do like to read your work. Thanks for getting it out of your head and onto paper where I can more easily get to it… 🙂

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

Seen on Twitter: “For guy who calls himself libertarian he has a remarkably fascist ego.” Also, someone is under the impression his fans call themselves Sad Puppies. Comprehension fail reading basic?

dyingearth
Guest

SJW isn’t about fact. It’s all about feeling and correct thinking. If for any reason you deviate from the CURRENT WISDOM, you are a heretic and must be torched. Many current and former SJW’ers are finding that out now if they even consider to question the CURRENT WISDOM.

Remember: None Are So Blind As Those Who Refuse To See.

rustypaladin
Guest

WTF is a “fascist ego”? I’m betting he/she/it simply wanted to use the word fascist so they could be one of the cool kids.

Lemming
Guest

It does seem that those most like to use the word “fascist” are those least able to correctly define it.

DaveP.
Guest

“Fascist ego”: Failure to submerge one’s will to that of the Collective. Like John Adams, Reverend Wilberforce, Fredrick Douglass (bonus points for escaping from Democrats!), and that guy in Tiananmen Square.

CombatMissionary
Guest

@Lemming:
Those most likely to use the word “fascist” are those most likely to exemplify it.

suburbanbanshee
Guest

First you turn your ego and your brothers’ egos into a bunch of sticks. Then your dad ties them together. Then you all jump up and down on them and try to break them, and fail, because of materials engineering.

And then some jerk from Italy comes and steals your dad’s perfectly good object lesson about sticking together with your bratty brothers, and names his thug political party after it — because stealing is what leftists and socialists do.

warpcordova
Guest

I know what a fascist asshole is, but a fascist ego is a new one to me.

Bubbasrelm
Guest

An ego that likes knee high leather boots, marching, and holding one hand outstretched just a little too much?

Patrick Chester
Guest

Inigo Montoya would be most cross if he had to read Twitter.

“You keep using so MANY words that do NOT mean what you think they mean! Sheesh!”

Charlie
Guest

Wait you say the W.o.T. has finally been completed?! Wow I gave up on it around book five IIRC.
I buy books I like to read, I’ve never made it through War and Peace a work that is called great literature, because it was boring.
It is always interesting how those who claim to be the most inclusive are the ones who are the first to attack those who don’t believe the way they do!

junior
Guest

You know why Robert Jordan died, don’t you? It was because God decided that, one way or another, WoT was finally going to be finished.

/duck

Michael Kingswood
Guest

Dude. Party foul.

Funny, though.

Charlie
Guest

ROFLMAO!!

Synova
Guest
I think I read to about book five, too. I stopped reading, not because they weren’t fun anymore, but because I could “see” how various threads ought to be coming together, but they were continuing to go apart and I knew it wasn’t ever going to be done. (Now that it is, I may read it again, if I ever have a month of free time.) WoT is why I haven’t read more than the first Game of Thrones book… I made a vow not to read incomplete series after WoT, and I didn’t realize until after I’d read GoT… Read more »
Expendable Henchman
Guest

I think somebody ought to do a cartoon of all the WoT fans dead in the desert of Book 5. Because it seems like that’s where we all gave up.

Levi
Guest

It’s a shame if anyone stopped at book 5, because the scene at the end of book 6 was almost awesome enough in its day to justify the dragging parts of the earlier books. Nowadays, though, if you want a good fantasy action scene just read a Grimnoir book.

FatherErik Richtsteig
Guest

Larry, I have never read any of your books. But now I have to! Keep up the good work!

William O. B'Livion
Guest

I taught women, minorities, homosexuals, didn’t matter, often on my own dime, all because I think people who would try to drag anyone to death behind a pickup truck will have a difficult time doing so after they have a pair of hollow points placed into their chest cavity at high speed.

Clap Clap Clap.

SlipperySnake
Guest
Yup, what a fucking hero. He couldn’t possibly be a racist, this is proof. Again treating racism like something you have to prove you aren’t infected with. Tell me more about how you don’t beat your wife. Oh you forgot to quote the part where he repeated a racial slur then claimed it was all cool because it was in a bigger argument. Here I will fix that for you. “Basically, he called Nora Jesmin an “ignorant half-savage” and that pissed everybody off. See, Nora, is a beloved libprog activist and Social Justice Warrior, and all the reports of her… Read more »
Taco Shack
Guest

What is the racial slur?

Fail Burton
Guest
The PC have had a sudden spell of incontinence. Although they write tens of thousands of words about hate-speech, racism, sexism, and gender expression phobias, they don’t actually have a neutral definition for those things that might work the same way law does. For example, the PC love to mumble on about what Day said about Jemisin. I say “compared to what?” Somehow it escapes them that Jemisin has said far worse things far more often. In referring to all white people somehow being on the same page throughout history, what does it sound like when someone writes “…an ingenious… Read more »
Pellegri
Guest

Wow, Kate Elliott said that? I’m disappointed. From having read a lot of her stuff, I kinda figured she was capable of better reasoning than that.

I’ve kind of gotten the impression that the SJWs believe White People (especially White Males) are the Adeptes Astartes and White Privilege is the God-Emperor of Mankind. It’s literally undefeatable!!!

Fail Burton
Guest

I’ve got quotes from Elliott you wouldn’t believe. I scarcely believe them myself. Her Twitter feed in the No. 1 source of PC entertainment in SFF; and its daily. You don’t even have to research her feed – just open it up.

Bubbasrelm
Guest

Undefeatable you say? Pshaw!!!

All i gotta say is….

WAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Pellegri
Guest

@Fail: Oh no. I don’t think I want to, it’ll ruin my next rereading of the Crossroads trilogy. 🙁

@Bubbasrelm: See but they’re good little citizens of the Imperium that way! They may hate THE EMPRAH but they’ve totally bought into the state myth of his divinity! Versus actually not giving a damn, like the Tau or somethin’.

Bubbasrelm
Guest

I’ll grant you they are good little citizens, but does that make Larry an ork? You know, heavily armed, wandering the universe looking for a good fight?

Aymeric Vildieu
Guest
Hi Larry! I find this a very enlightening controversy, and I dare say that those who criticize you are just bigoted idiots! See? I’m French, I consider myself a moderate left-winger! and, Brandon Sanderson and yourself are the authors I’m an absolute fan of! Whenever one of you publishes something I have to buy the book immediately and dive into it, emerging only when the book is over. The first book I read from you is “hard magic” and I chose it for one reason only: I loved the pitch! And, naturally, I loved the book and then I had… Read more »
junior
Guest

Aymeric –

“the French audience deserves to know you anyway, and I will hope you’ll be translated into French one day (if that’s not already done).”

Check the blog post prior to this one. It’s the cover art for the French edition of Warbound.

rawlenyanzi
Guest

[T]he French audience deserves to know you anyway, and I will hope you’ll be translated into French one day (if that’s not already done).

It has been done: a French translation of Hard Magic is available here. Tell your friends!

Laurie
Guest
One thing: in America, “conservative” actually means classic liberal – minimal government, free market, focus on individual freedom. These are America’s traditional values and the Constitution is designed to prevent government tyranny. It has nothing to do with supporting a king – quite the contrary, we’re proud of severing ties with a monarchy. What Americans call “liberal” is what the rest of the world calls “socialist,” btw. And socialism, to me, is just another form of feudalism – as shown in “Animal Farm.” So one could argue that an American conservative is a European liberal, and an American liberal is… Read more »
Jonathan
Guest

As another non-American fan, I second what Laurie says. Liberal in Europe is a right-winger economically, as their aim is to liberalize the economy, which means less government intrusion in and control over it.

Jacob Simon (@jasimon951)
Guest

This post was everything I hoped for and more. They really don’t realize that you already won.

CombatMissionary
Guest

Everything is proceeding as Larry has foreseen. 😀

Patrick Chester
Guest

Thanks. I needed that image of Larry Correia in Sith regalia from SWTOR in my head.

It’s not pretty:

😮

mekadave5
Guest

I can see it, the mask covers up the goatee 🙂 comment image

Patrick Chester
Guest

I was thinking more along the lines of the Sith you run into on Quesh for the Republic planet quest. Tried to link to it, but maybe there’s a filter. Ah well.

mekadave5
Guest

Ahhh, I see. I don’t think I’ve ever had the patience to spend much time on Quesh. The planet’s too orange. I always just did the quick class quest and whatever was nearby and got out.

Quirel
Guest

Halfway through reading this post, I said screw it and decided to turn internet arguing into a game of Bingo.

When they get desperate, disrupt their arguments by posting “BINGO!” Show the SJWs that you could set a clock to their arguments! And when you’re target of their ire, give them a sporting chance by taking a shot every time you check one off!

http://tinyurl.com/lxdgzbj

Sorry for using a tinyurl, but it’s a long, long url. =P

pavepusher
Guest

Are you trying to kill people through alcohol poisoning?! You evil, hatey hate-minion, you…!

Cargosquid
Guest

Heck…that’s a great idea! Especially when “arguing” with the gun control bigots.

Quirel
Guest

You’ll note Markely’s Law in there.

I originally had “Gun show loophole” and “Ninety percent of gun owners”, but I decided to focus on the Sci-Fi literati instead.

But, I went ahead and made a gun control version anyway.
http://tinyurl.com/khz6aed

While I recommended a drinking game for the last one, I feel only dread at the prospect of drinking to gun control cliches. Such a game would leave no winners, only survivors.

wanderingmuses
Guest

Dude!! Those are so far out the ballpark excellent I can’t even stand it!!

Expendable Henchman
Guest

Sweet.

Book
Guest

This needs to get printed out and brought to WorldCon. Can you imagine a group of MHI fans yelling BINGO! every few minutes? LOL

kastandlee
Guest

Do not try that at a WSFS Business Meeting. And that goes for the other end of the political horseshoe as well.

Book
Guest

Heh. Ok, Kevin, just in case that “LOL” in there wasn’t clear- that was a joke. I highly doubt that any of Larry’s fans would be so rude as to interrupt serious meetings. We might be a silly bunch with a manatee as our mascot, but we’re not THAT socially inept.

Although that does make me curious- were you saying that the words on the bingo sheet get thrown around so often during one of your WSFS business meetings that you thought it might be a real possibility? That thought IS troubling.

kastandlee
Guest

I missed the LOL, and frankly, I’m not in a particularly good mood with the amount of bad attitude from both ends of the political horseshoe.

To be clear, I was addressing _any_ forms of attempting to disrupt the Business Meeting, by anyone or any group, not implying that there were any particular phrases being tossed around.

Book
Guest

Well, I’m sorry you made that assumption. Maybe you should hang around for a while and get to know us a little better. Once you cool off and have some civil conversations, you might find that we’re not such a bad bunch.

Welcome to Monster Hunter Nation, Mr. Standlee. 🙂

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Looking back at this craziness, I marvel that it’s been less than a week. In the long term, I fully expect more attacks on Larry. The “retrograde” attitudes of Larry and authors like him will be blamed for the decline in SF/F sales. Cons will have panels about the libertarian-conservative threat to the genre. Bloggers will call for Baen to be marginalized. Mark my words: it will get uglier.

Quirel
Guest
It’s already happened. Baen is “That one publisher” that works with racist hatemongers. They’ve called upon Toni Weisskopf to denounce Correia and the other people she publishes, or be ostracized. As for the panels at conventions, there was this panel with a one-time author who was talking about rules for writing urban fantasy. One of those rules was that readers liked urban fantasy, because characters from rural settings were crass, ignorant… well, you get the idea. Mr. Correia would be able to tell you more because he was actually there, and he tore through every one of her rules while… Read more »
Tom
Guest

Well, Baen works with communist Eric Flint…so I suspect they’d work with anyone who can write a good story. That would probably include a racist hatemonger. 🙂

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Heck, C J Cherryh and David Gerrold were evil misogynist homophobes because they signed the Truesdale petition.

SirBrass
Guest

Tom, you know they also killed Snowball… err… Trotsky. The left eats their own with a viciousness that rivals their hatred of common sense government (libertarian-leaning constitutionalism).

pavepusher
Guest

Larry, you need to start recording your panels for posting here. Medium-quality digital recorders with stereo mikes are pretty cheap these days, but the expression on your co-panelists’ faces when you plunk the palm-sized device down on the table (and they realise they will have to back up their spew)… priceless!

ZOMG Evil Teahadi Artist
Guest
ZOMG Evil Teahadi Artist

Saying “I’ve been to the country. I’ve been to Connecticut” is like saying “I’ve been to other countries, I’ve been to EPCOT”.

crazdmadman
Guest

I would pay real money to see a video of that panel…

And the Ringo “ambushing the feminist ambushers” panel from Ravencon.

Tom
Guest

SirBrass: True enough.

It’s hysterical though. You point out how they act just like Lenin and turn on anyone not pure enough for them, and they get all kinds of indignant. The cognitive dissonance with this group is just unreal.

I can’t believe I actually used to think like that. SMH

Grayson
Guest

“I went full Conan on that one.”
I would purely love to watch someone “go full Agent Franks” on a nasty little panel of libprog troglodytes.Anything to make the mouthpiece on CNN start the 6:00 PM newscast with the words, “Holy Screaming S*it!!!”

If you come to V-Con next October, you shall never live in want of a cold beer, sir.
Thank you.

Bubbasrelm
Guest

Wait Eric Flint is a lefty? Never once got that impression in 1632… cool.

Bubbasrelm
Guest

*flynt… damn you no edit… damn you.

dgarsys
Guest

larry – it makes me wish I was there to see that, just like I wished I’d been in a position to see Ringo at that Ravencon he ended up writing an AAR on.

Expendable Henchman
Guest
@Bubbasrelm: Yes, Mr. Flint is a lefty. While reading 1632, you might take notice of the power structure, post ring of fire. Also notice the part that labor unions play in the books. It’s fine. Mr. Flint makes it work. And he has a total babe, who is a cheerleader, super feminine, and is a sniper who I seem to recall was called “angel of death” or some such. She frightened hardcore professional soldiers when they realized who she was. So he may be communist (not sure) but he’s also very pro 2A. I can live with paying for his… Read more »
junior
Guest

One notable tell in 1632 is that the rich executive is written as a mean, nasty, cold-hearted individual. In particular was his “stand-in for racism” attitude toward the locals surrounding the displaced town. Then, out of the blue, an excuse for that was generated in the sequel to allow for his rehabilitation. If that hadn’t happened, Flint would have been forced to write him off. Overall, though, Flint’s politics don’t generate enough baggage to become overburdensome to the story. And the excuse does work.

Geodkyt
Guest

I thought Flint was a Trotskyite, not a Communist.

Don’t really care, even though I believe he’s farther left than I am right (and I think Rush Limbaugh is squishy sometimes and too authoritarian in other spots). Dude can write some STORY — I’ll pay dirty, capitalist money out of my OWN pocket for anything he writes.

DaveP.
Guest

Geo- Steve Brust described himself as a “Trotskyite”, though I’m not sure If he understands what that means.

Geodkyt
Guest

Well the “orthodox” commies certainly threw out the Trotskyite “heretics” decades ago. Brust is another one whose politics I oppose, whose writing I love (and happily spend Imperialist Running Dog Yankee Capitalist dollars on.)

Bubbasrelm
Guest

@Expendable Henchman

I only read the first one, still trying to get enough scratch for the next. it was good enough i want to throw out some money for it.

@junior

Totally missed the evil pig dog capitalist. Just thought he was a douche, but i can see your point.

Overall I can see it was there, but not at the level of message Fic for sure.

Besides, I’ve even argued in the past that for small groups, i.e. village to small town level, were survival is the overwhelming task at hand, communism can actually work(this was a thought experiment, not an endorsement).

John Wlas
Guest

This has taken on a life of its own.

Laura Curtis (@Laura_PH)
Guest
“The “retrograde” attitudes of Larry and authors like him will be blamed for the decline in SF/F sales.” I laid off of SF/F for a long time because if I wanted a political lecture, I could watch MSNBC or any broadcast news show. I’m just now coming back to the genre. I love, Love, LOVE Monster Hunters, just bought the first three books this week and I’m getting almost no sleep because I can’t put it down. But yes, it’s going to get uglier. Dissent will not be tolerated until “retrograde” types like Larry are back in charge of the… Read more »
SBP
Guest

Some entity named Athena Andreadis has opined that “Heinlein shouldn’t have gotten #HugoAwards THEN”.

Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein (a *55 year old book*, mind you) has an Amazon sales rank of 2,999.

The Other Half of the Sky edited by Athena Andreadis has an Amazon sales rank of 208,938.

Heh.

I repeat: Heh.

CombatMissionary
Guest

As Captain Pike discovered with the Talosians: “Wrong thinking is punishable; right thinking will be as quickly rewarded. You will find it an effective combination.”
Apparently this applies retroactively as well. I assume Pope Formosus can look forward to another cadaver synod as well at the hands of the SJWs.

Tom Kratman
Guest

To be fair, she seems to have a PhD in molecular biology from MIT, so her being actually stupid is right out. She also seems as pompous and self righteous as one would expect to flow from that. Her previous book is ranked at about 12 million. I didn’t know there were books ranked that low. We can take some solace in the near certainty that she will never breed.

CiceroTheLatest
Guest

I have to disagree. I went to Amazon and read an excerpt from her book. It took about three sentences to determine that, Ph.D. from MIT notwithstanding, she is actually stupid.

I DO, however, agree the “We can take some solace in the near certainty that she will never breed.”

(As an aside, I wouldn’t hire anyone with her disconnect from reality to work in any capacity in any area of science or engineering.)

Tom Kratman
Guest

Which book, C; her own on the biology of Star Trek or the one she edited?

CiceroTheLatest
Guest

The anthology she edited. The preview opened into what appeared to be a preface. It was typical hard Left cant.

Tom Kratman
Guest
Okay…try this: I could, of course, be wrong but….ever wonder how bright people – I’ll count myself and offer Sarah Hoyt, a libertarian, and Eric Flint, a Trot – can be bright and still not agree on what’s for dinner? It’s that reason and intelligence hardly enters into it. For us, for ALL of us, we operate off emotions, instincts, base values we were born with or took in more or less with mother’s milk and then rationalize from there. Reason hardly matters in human affairs, really. The difference between conservative and the extremes is that conservatives’ emotions, instincts, and… Read more »
CiceroTheLatest
Guest
I think where I’d disagree with you is “But in neither case does intelligence, per se, seem to me to enter into it.” In the sense of the score on a standardized I.Q. test, then no, it doesn’t. In fact, given the intricacy and depth of the Leftist shared fantasy world, I’d have to acknowledge that Leftists do display “intelligence.” On the other hand, in the sense of intelligence as the ability to absorb knowledge, integrate it into a framework, and apply it to the effective solution of real world problems, they’re all dumb as stumps. Witness the effectiveness of… Read more »
Tom Kratman
Guest
But that difference doesn’t seem to me to be a function of intelligence, or reasoning power, but rather whether or not our instincts and emotions are in tune with the world as it is. Now we might say they’re insane, and they might say the same of us (in fact, we’re insane to each other), but intelligence doesn’t really enter into it. John told me to hold off on the next Posleen book, which would have concerned the actions of the Legio Equestribus Posleenorum a Sacra Custodia Pontificis, in the war against the Hedrin, until he could do a couple… Read more »
Calvin Gordon Dodge
Guest

Very true, Tom.

Mike in Seattle
Guest

“Some entity named Athena Andreadis has opined that “Heinlein shouldn’t have gotten #HugoAwards THEN”.

How to demonstrate the irrelevancy of your little award in one simple step…

SBP
Guest

I think they’re just totally losing their shit. The argument all along has been that the Evil White Men were holding them back, yadda-yadda-yadda.

Now we’re in a world where self-published and small press books go head-to-head with the Random Penguins and Holtzbrinck offerings and (in some cases) rake in tons-o-loot, yet people still aren’t buying their works of genius.

That’s gotta sting.

uccprof
Guest
Athena Andreadis’ anti Starship Troopers stance, based on her own words, seems to be largely because of her opposition to the patriarchy of the white anglo-saxon male. She seems not to have noticed that the hero’s name is Juan Rico, and his native language was Tagalog. The fact that his mother was in Argentina when she was killed by alien attack also implies some Hispanic connection in his family. Also in the Starship Troopers universe, ship pilots always seem to be females because, according to Heinlein’s narrative, they were better at it than males, and the main one who features… Read more »
CiceroTheLatest
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You don’t think Athena Andreadis would actually READ something that challenged her preconceptions, do you? After all, that might start her on a path away from the Leftist fantasy world. Horrors!

perlhaqr
Guest

The funny thing to me about all these people bitching about the “slate voting”, is that while, yes, I signed up and voted in this year’s Hugo nominations at your urging, I didn’t vote your slate. For one thing, I hadn’t read everything you suggested (though I did nominate most of the things that you suggested that I had read) and then in other places, I nominated works that weren’t anywhere to be found in your posts.

*shrug*

Goofballs, the lot of them.

mekadave5
Guest

Wow…. I think that BBQ smell in the air is coming from some torched lefty ears. Awesome!

andycanuck
Guest

And fat fires are the most difficult ones to extinguish.

Jonathan Pettit
Guest

I think I’ve read all of your books, love them all. Besides enjoying your writing and being a “gun nut,” I enjoy you saying what you think, instead of toting some BS party line. Thanks for giving your comments. Look forward to meeting you at GenCon.

Wesley Nichols
Guest

Hah. I started the Wheel of Time when I was 15. So there.

GregF
Guest

OK, now I’m pissed. All this talk about hardcore fans and not a single mention of tattoos. What do I have to do? :o)

Keep up the good work, I’ve still got space on the Larry Correia shelf in the library.

SBP
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It’s amazing how many of them Just. Can’t. Cope. with the idea that someone might actually have LIKED those stories. Considering the heavy activity in the comments here (even when something like this isn’t going on) and looking at Larry’s Amazon sales rankings across the board, it should be clear that he has a LOT of fans. I hadn’t read any of Vox’s fiction before, but grabbed the freebie of the Last Witchking while it was up. Not bad at all (I think he maybe needs to work on openings a little bit, but the bulk of the stories were… Read more »
Geodkyt
Guest

Totally waiting to see MHi on the big screen. Like a good Marvel movie, it would be, only better. . .

Gama
Guest

Wasn’t Toni up for a Hugo last year?

mithbesler
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Took a moment this morn to search out more nominees so I could READ their works. Did discover tor is offering everything but the WoT for free. http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/04/read-torcoms-original-fiction-hugo-finalists#more Mostly I have been just glazing over the hatey hate hate that I am finding from these people. This one did kinda take me back. From Abigail Nussbaum who got two noms Fan Writer and SemiProfanzine “One can only sigh at Larry Correia’s Warbound, Book III of the Grimnoir Chronicles (serious, sigh) making it onto the best novel ballot, or Toni Weisskopf’s best editor, long form nomination. (As for the Wheel of… Read more »
Larry L. Southard
Guest

You are horrible, horribly good!

James T
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Speaking honestly and plainly, I am not a big fan of Correia’s work. (Well, thats not true, I love his minis.) Not my speed. But, since this kerfuffle, I have made it a point to purchase multiple copies just to stick my thumb in The Right Peoples eyes. To date, all have been shipped to Afghanistan in various care packages, where hopefully they find readers and create more Corriea fans. And, my thumb isn’t sore yet, so I have plenty of stickin’ left.

CiceroTheLatest
Guest

“… stick my thumb in The Left Peoples eyes.”

FIFY

DaveP.
Guest

“To date, all have been shipped to Afghanistan in various care packages…”
This is the best thing in this whole comment section. Good on you, mate.

dyingearth
Guest

One of Larry’s co-author is an active deployed military personnel in Afghanistan. His novels have been big hits with our service member world wide.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
Guest

Thank you for giving me another author to add to my list of ‘buy books from.’

Which book authored with Mr. Kupari should I start with, if I may ask?

Eamon J. Cole
Guest

Dead Six is the first book.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
Guest

Thank you! I have just ordered it.

Eamon J. Cole
Guest

I think you’ll enjoy it. But — it ain’t subtle…

😉

Carl Henderson
Guest

While I enjoy your writing, James T is quite right about your minis. They are quite good. I suggest that the next time you do a fundraiser, you include a “Correia Custom Painted Miniature” at a reward level. You might be surprised how popular that is.

Patrick Mathews
Guest

So you old cismale gendernormative fascist Lord Of Hate you, tell us what you really thank… 🙂

Dawn Watson
Guest

I know! Normally he’s so shy and retiring… 🙂

Ryan Lawler
Guest
I’m a moderate / left-leaning guy. Agree with some of your politics, disagree with some of your politics. What really gets to me is the hypocrisy of all the the baseless and unfounded attacks against you. What also gets to me is this idea that you can only like a “certain type of book” if you are of the “correct political persuasion”. I don’t need to be leaning right to enjoy stories about magically enhanced people fighting it out between themselves, monsters and aliens. The optimist in me says that the very vocal left are of the extreme variety and… Read more »
Kevin Harron
Guest

Agreed. I’m about the same. Lean left politically, and probably disagree with Larry politically, more than I agree with him. But yeah, after this I’ll be grabbing copies of his stuff to read and share with friends. I’ll vote with my wallet. Micheal Z. Williamson and John Ringo I both disagree with fairly hard politically, but I like thier writing immensely.

Mike
Guest

Hell, I’m libertarian and a huge gun nut, but I wouldn’t have nominated any of Larry’s books. I enjoyed them all, but they’re not what I consider award-winning level.

But the way the scifi blogosphere is reacting to this makes me hope he wins all the awards ever.

phunctor
Guest

The thing about conscience, whether I agree with it or not, is that it won’t.shut.up.

It is told that Quaker Wm Penn had scruples about wearing the ceremonial sword that went with the Governor’s hat. The sense of the meeting was “Wear it as long as you can.”

Tina Black
Guest

I am NOT going to read the Wheel of Time — I made it halfway through volume 1 a long time ago. Blah. Tor cheerleaders are INSANE. Everything else will get a chance.

Russ
Guest
Well said. Some of the most closed minded people I have ever met were Liberals. If you try to debate them, they just claim you are either “stupid or misinformed” because you don’t have their point of view. Orson Scot Card is a homophobic ass, but Enders Game is a good book. I have never read any of your books but I will be adding you to my list of authors to check out. The Hugos have always been a good place to look for the next best book to read but I think I’ll stick to the older lists… Read more »
Expendable Henchman
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Actually, Orson Scott Card *isn’t* a homophobic ass. He’s a very devout Mormon, and he’s been spending an awful lot of effort and reputation points to get mainstream Mormonism (which *is* generally very anti-homo) to be somewhat less anti-homo. Scotty went to BYU, and majored in theater, where he encountered a LOT of homosexuals, and couldn’t care less how they leaned. He also managed to piss off the movers and shakers, because he was there to educate himself, not to become a white shirt and tie clone. His essay (which I’ve read a couple of times) was specifically targeted to… Read more »
William O. B'Livion
Guest

Immediately after King Barry’s ‘evolution’ on gay issues (he used to be flatly against gay marriage, btw…)

Did he evolve, or was he just lying before?

SBP
Guest
He’s “evolved” so many times on this issue that I can’t even count them all. His position on gay marriage (or anything, really) at any given time can be predicted by asking “which option is the most likely to gain or retain power for Barack Obama”. The point about Obama suddenly deciding that we’d always been at war with Eastasia…er…that gay marriage was awesome, followed by a Two Minutes Hate toward anyone who didn’t fall immediately into line is right on. Me, I don’t think the government (and certainly not the FEDERAL government) has any business getting involved with marriage… Read more »
CombatMissionary
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Speaking as a clearly impartial observer (wink, wink), I find it fascinating how the ‘evolution’ occurred mid-election, and the corollary declaration that he was ‘pro-gay-marriage, but gay marriage is a state’s rights issue so the Fed won’t be getting involved’ came out in January (if I recall correctly). It almost smacks of pandering. “Vote for me! I’m on your side!” [Promptly wins election] “Thanks for the votes! Oh, I’m on your side IN PRINCIPLE. Were you expecting me to do something about that? SORRY.”

SlipperySnake
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@CombatMissionary

Oh, but did you hear some bullshit story about his kids going to school with another student with lesbian parents. At the highest level every decision couldn’t possibly be motivated by politics, lol. Yeah I think these ‘evolutions’ aka stopping the discrimination are complete political bull too.

CombatMissionary
Guest

OK, I’ll type in all caps so you’re able to actually read my response (although, as history has shown, likelihood of comprehending it is small):
MAKE ONE COGENT THOUGHT AT A TIME. MAKE IT RELEVANT TO THE THOUGHT YOU’RE RESPONDING TO.

DaveP.
Guest

Here we go again…

“Homophobic” means “unreasoning fear or hatred”. In other words, to feel about gay people the same way I feel about spiders.
Not approving of SSM, not approving of ordained gay clergy, being Catholic, being Mormon… is NOT homophobia in the same way that failure to appreciate the subtle genius of the man who thinks America has 57 states is NOT racist. Keep on abusing the word and it’ll end up in the same place “racist” is now: an in joke, and that’s all.

Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
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Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

“Keep on abusing the word and it’ll end up in the same place “racist” is now: an in joke, and that’s all.”

Homophobic is a joke already IMO.

jnials
Guest

Hmmm…. I’m way behind on my reading already, but I guess it’s time to go buy a Larry Correia book. Gotta reward good behavior. 🙂

Tom
Guest

Ignorance can be so comical. That’s all this hate speech really is: ignorance.

Oh, wait, my bad. Ignorance is when you don’t know any better. Stupid is when you do everything possible to make sure you never know any better.

CiceroTheLatest
Guest

Thanks for explaining yourself at the end.

Allergic to BS
Guest

Aww, does the delicate little snowflake want a cookie? I’m sure your masters will be more than happy to award you one for commenting on a blog like a brave little man. There’s a good little sheeple.

ZOMG Evil Teahadi Artist
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ZOMG Evil Teahadi Artist

Whoops, friendly fire with my last post. I didn’t know you were referring to the SJW whackjobs. Larry, please kill it.

Tom
Guest

He probably won’t, but it’s all good. 🙂

Expendable Henchman
Guest

No forgiveness around here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIMrFpnfvyI

Like atheists sinning, you make a mistake, it’s carved on your conscience forever.

SirBrass
Guest

That last bit is the definition of “active stupid.” I always liked the Ringo solution to active stupid in a combat zone: shoot the sumbitch.

Tom
Guest

Yeah, I’m pretty partial to that as well.

The challenge is to figure out how to get the entire world declared a combat zone for a few months.

Bubbasrelm
Guest

I’ve almost got my zombie virus perfected to only infect the terminally stupid, Give me a few more months Tom, and we should be good:)

CombatMissionary
Guest

If your virus will only infect the terminally stupid, there’s going to be a lot of vacancies in government office, and you may leave the blue cities in America looking like ghost towns.

Proceed at flank speed, sir!

Tom
Guest

Awesome! I’ll check the zero on my rifle in the mean time. 🙂

Dorothy Grant
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They tend to suffer nasty injuries that get them evacuated from the front, actually, not killed. Because looking a man in the eyes and killing him may be a well-worn joke in the comfort and safety of the internet, but it’s a very, very different reality in the dust and the mud-colored blood. The real tragedy are the folks that never can quite get it all together, and despite their great heart and willing soul, are an active danger to everyone around them. When your soldiers come by draft, not by volunteer, and there’s no good way to wash them… Read more »
gtashmore
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Why the devil didn’t we nominate Hard Magic, Spellbound & Warbound together?

junior
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I suspect doing so wouldn’t have really made that much of a difference. Nominating WoT as a whole is somewhat different due to WoT’s unusual authorship. I’ve heard from a handful of people who liked the series but were unhappy with the books that Sanderson co-wrote. Nominating the series as a whole allows Tor to still draw in votes from those sorts of people. And also, it’s WoT. Barring a new Game of Thrones novel being nominated this year, I doubt there was much that would stop the WoT entry (whether it was just one book or the entire series)… Read more »
Mike in Seattle
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I don’t know. After 8000 pages or so of hair tugging and descriptions of the draperies I just realized I didn’t give a damn about the WoT series any longer.

junior
Guest
Yes, but… You’re in the minority. I lost interest in Game of Thrones much more quickly than I did in WoT (the end of volume 3 vs the end of volume 10). And yet claiming that a new GoT novel wouldn’t clean up in the voting would be denial, pure and simple. Each release of a GoT book is basically George R. R. Martin printing money. It’s the same with the WoT books for Robert Jordan’s estate. I don’t know what the sales numbers were on Memory of Light, but I do know that they were extremely high. And people… Read more »
Justin
Guest

I hope that one of the points you and Vox disagreed on was women’s suffrage. I try like hell to give real consideration to opinions that differ from mine; this particular point makes me think Vox and I would not be fast friends.

But if he wrote a great book, give the man an award.

WMCB
Guest
I’m a woman, and I could care less. I’m not voting for the man as King. I read Throne of Bones, and it was a darn good book. What he thinks about suffrage is a personal oddity that affects me in zero ways. I enjoy China Mieville, and he’s a flaming communist – a worldview I find horrific and rife with murder and genocide and oppression of the worst sort. So? I’m not electing Mieville world ruler. I’m just reading his damn books. It really is that simple. If you write a good story, and your politics or pet causes… Read more »
CiceroTheLatest
Guest
I’ve been watching the neo-fascist snit-fest for awhile, now. The only good thing I can say for it is that I now understand why the shelves at Barnes & Noble are full of junk. Tedious, mediocre, haven’t had a new idea since Tolkien, fantasy junk. (The only competent, entertaining fantasy I’ve seen in the past decade is from Jim Butcher. Yes, he has some very original ideas. Apparently a monopoly on such.) Especially today, with savage, feral human neo-barbs dominating the political and cultural landscape, writers of the ability and political leanings of Piper, Pournelle, Anderson and Heinlein should be… Read more »
SirBrass
Guest

That “something” is called Baen Publishing ;). Oh, and there’s some smart holdouts still with Tor (*cough*JohnCWright*cough* and David Weber).

Tangentially, WHY is weber publishing his safehold novels with Tor, and the Honorverse with Baen? Why not just stay with Baen?

suburbanbanshee
Guest

Because money. And who can blame him?

Spoils of the Egyptians, or Tor being sane — doesn’t really matter. Weber’s allowed to feed his household however he can.

SirBrass
Guest

As long as he has an editor for the remainder of the honorverse books. The repeated chapters from previous volumes has reached an unprecedented and intolerable high.

Wes S.
Guest
“Why is Weber publishing his Safehold novels with Tor?” Because he can? 😉 Although I strongly suspect – given his apparent politics – that Tor wouldn’t be publishing Weber if he were just starting out (as opposed to already being well-established as a bestselling author). Indeed, I’m hard-pressed to name any actual conservative or libertarian writers at Tor beyond Weber, John C. Wright…and the late Robert Jordan his own self. (One wonders how long Brandon Sanderson will last before the Tor Borg assimilate or excommunicate him…) I’ll say one thing for Tor: Unlike Baen, they don’t seem to consider Weber… Read more »
Fail Burton
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We should again remind everyone that Tor.com is a web site associate of Tor Books.

dgarsys
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WES. Wellll… I dunno if Jordan was a conservative, but I know some tolerant types who knew him and his wife. Loved his wife – “waste of oxygen” was the phrase applied to Robert. As to Tor and not treating Weber as too big to edit – I’ll have to differ with you on that. I just went through the latest safehold, and the repetitiveness of some variant of “cold smile” started knocking me out of the story. I love the series, I GET why it’s so much show vs tell given the scope/etc. – but I’ve never had a… Read more »
The Other Rick
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Left at the Radish, although I doubt it makes it through moderation “”Ms. Luhrs, I haven’t spent a lot of time on this blog, so I was hoping you could help me out. Did you write about John Scalzi campaigning to be on the Hugo ballot when he used his blog for that purpose? Did you write about how TOR.com likewise encouraged its readers to vote for certain works to be included on the ballot? Considering the number of blogs that urge readers to vote for him for every work and begin promoting voting for his works *even before they… Read more »
The Other Rick
Guest

Made it through moderation, but I think I am now banned

CombatMissionary
Guest

See? If you were just a member of the Groupthink Social Justice Squad, you’d have more friends! 😉

Ryan Lawler
Guest

Apparently you are an a**hat. I don’t know why they bothered with the censoring… https://twitter.com/eilatan/status/459395207357018112

mekadave5
Guest

Looks like you got under her skin enough for her to tweet about it, though. LOL

LL
Guest

I was nice too and got blocked from commenting further after my last one. Those people are nuts.

Tom
Guest

LL,

You couldn’t have been nice. You failed to agree with Natalie’s “speaking truth to power”, and therefore were impolite.

Our side just never gets the memos on this kind of thing.

Fail Burton
Guest

Wow! That was incredibly offensive. She probably did a double-take between banning you and dialing 911. I love her web site; it arguably makes men on death row happy they’re not in the situation of that great bag o’ privilege droppings.

Tom
Guest

And your arguments are all bad faith arguments.

How in the hell old Natalie figures that is beyond me. They’re all valid questions. Why is it that all these other people can do it and it’s OK, but the second Larry does (and it works), it’s somehow a Jihad against all that the Hugos stand for?

Jayhawker
Guest
My comment also awaiting moderation: [quote]The main thing I found incredibly interesting about it was how certain commenters felt they had the right to my space. The right to demand very specific answers from me. My refusal to engage except superficially led to goalpost shifting and increasingly vitriolic abuse and deliberate misreadings as well as outright lies about me.[/quote] Holy hypocrisy, Batman! You just happened to write an entire blog post about 2 specific individuals cherry picking statements and blatantly slandering them with no evidence. And then you get upset when some commenters make a few statements giving you a… Read more »
Deke Ashton
Guest

Going back to Gencon? Sweet! met you last ,hope to catch more of your panels this year.

Jeff Jones
Guest

Larry has “spoken truth to power” or whatever the hell those leftists say.

cbmurphy7
Guest

Fisked sense at the insensible?

SirBrass
Guest

This is what I came up with when I did a google search on the meaning of the phrase: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_origin_of_the_expression_speak_truth_unto_power

Tom
Guest

That’s kind of the way I’ve always understood the phrase. Too bad the SJW’s have used it as a way to excuse their misandry. They’re not male bashing. Nope. They’re speaking truth to power.

The fact that I have zero power not granted to any other registered voter is irrelevant.

Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
Guest
Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

That’s my understanding of the “proper” use of the phrase. The Lefties still like to think of themselves as “Revolutionaries fighting the Evil Empire”. Unfortunately, they are closer to “Defenders of the Evil Empire”. [Sad Smile]

Matthew Barr
Guest

Just a note: I’m pretty sure that both Scalzi & Jim Hines have suggested to everyone reading their blogs to just READ the works, and vote based on what they think of things.

I don’t think there’s really a conspiracy to keep the right wing writers off the ballots in the past…. but I’ve got no problem w/ trying to get a few books I enjoy on!

SirBrass
Guest

You’re right, it’s not a conspiracy. It’s a boldly spoken agenda. Scalzi and Hines might not be directly involved, but the panty-twisting SJWs of no renown and even fewer morals sure are, and the links provided show you their own words.

trumanj1
Guest
Re-Read Scalzi’s blog. He’s doing it in a read everything wink wink kind of way. He is too afraid to do it openly. “And, no, I’m not trying to be “the voice of reason” with regard to the Hugos. These are my views; disagree if you like. I COULD BE WRONG” all CAPS is like a wink…linking to people that aren’t afraid of doing it openly. Basically endorsing them without doing it so he can say see I’m so great I support all sides “wink wink” this paragraph talks about the virtue of the other nominations and backhanded complement of… Read more »
Kenn Gentile
Guest

FYI, I feel safer with you AT the con I attend, cause you’re probably packin’ heat. 🙂

Gary Snodgrass
Guest

Larry, there is nothing so satisfying as knocking a bee hive over and watching the little buggers go crazy. Good job, They deserved it.

CombatMissionary
Guest

Gary, I nominate you for a Metaphor Fail award. Bees pollinate flowers and make delicious honey. Plus they kill wasps, so they’re super useful.

Special Snowflakes kill sweet freedom and prevent the germination of free thinking. So they’re kind of the anti-bee.

Shame on you. ;D

Jon
Guest
While you’re probably right that the Wheel of Time is going to stomp you…. (which, honestly – it shouldn’t – I haven’t read Sanderson’s novels, but I did read up to book 10 under Jordan.) The Wheel of Time is a lot of things. Overly long. Epic mostly for page count. Full of inconsistency because Jordan couldn’t keep his own political and geographical groups straight. Its also the only series I’ve ever gotten to book five on, and stated to a fangroup of said novels – “Jordan has forgotten what exactly he set out to accomplish here. If he finishes… Read more »
cbmurphy7
Guest

The SJWs are annoying / preying on their own. Attacking Scalzi for suggesting people read the works, and vote on their own merit – heresy! I guess on the positive side, they are exercising their tolerance with equal opportunity and similar depth of thought.

Jonathan
Guest

Purges always end up with in-fighting and in-purging.

DavidinGeorgia
Guest

Well, that was some blog post, Mr. Correia. 🙂 I actually tried one of your books awhile back, but just couldn’t get into it and dropped it. But, your blog posts are funny as hell, so I’ll be picking up one of your books to give it another try.

Free-range Oyster
Guest

Which book did you try? There some variety in the style and tone of his different series, so one may be more to your taste than another.

DavidinGeorgia
Guest

It was the first of the Monster Hunter books, I think.

CombatMissionary
Guest

Larry, you should totally do this again next year. However, you have a Manatee problem. Most Manatees aren’t as fiscally well off as Wendell. I propose you arm them with cost-saving specially-modified-for-Manatee-use armor-penetrating Russian battle rifles chambered in 7.62x54R. These Manatee-Nagants will allow your Manatee Minion Masses to hold fire superiority over even the most determined SJW mobs. They’ll pierce soft body armor and are available at a fraction of the cost of Dragunovs.

SBP
Guest

Manatees weigh about 1,300 pounds, according to the Googles. They could probably fire .700 Nitro Express on full auto. 🙂

That WOULD get spendy, though.

SirBrass
Guest

Will he have cookie monster as a side kick? CM going on a rampage because someone provoked puppy sadness would be…. justice for the puppies, I think :D.

CombatMissionary
Guest

@ SirBrass
Let’s not get ridiculous. 😉

kamas716
Guest

Reblogged this on westfargomusings and commented:
Larry Correia explains some of reasoning behind Sad Puppies and the controversy it’s caused in the land of SF/F. Personally, I think they tortured some interpretations in order to get Wheel of Time nominated (I’ve always been under the impression that definition was there for serialized magazine fiction rather than dictionary length novels). Because I’m a cheap ass, I won’t be reading hardly any of these nominees for a couple of years. But, congrats to all the nominees.

Expendable Henchman
Guest

Vox Day is offering his nominee as a free download over on his site.

ZOMG Evil Teahadi Artist
Guest
ZOMG Evil Teahadi Artist

I never thought I’d ever give Scalzi kudos. I find him insufferable but he’s not an unhinged SJW nutcase trying to get us to take his First World Problems seriously. Good on him for being objective here.

Also, Tor has been dead to me for years, anyway. Their literary speciality seems to be in polishing turds and selling them as gold bullion.

MJG
Guest

Meh, he’s annoying sometimes, but Scalzi strikes me as being a decent enough sort. I’m not surprised that he’s reacted the way he did.

Rob Crawford
Guest

Er, Scalzi wrote a novel-length piece of fan fiction then wrote a long screed AGAINST fan fiction. He is, at the least, a muddle-headed “thinker”.

DaveP.
Guest

Scalzi is the same guy who wrote an editorial from the point of view of a rapist talking about how much rapists support Republicans. “Decent enough” may be relative, but he’s got some atoning to do before he gets anything better than “crawling scum” from me.

gingeroni
Guest

That rapist screed drove me off his site.

faalon
Guest

Epic.

Insectress
Guest

I have been around you a few times Mr. Correia at various LibertyCons. I am a 5ft3in female, I have NEVER felt unsafe in your presence. The same cannot be said for some of the SJWs.

SlipperySnake
Guest

Larry didn’t strike me as rapey either but then again I am a 5ft10in male. Also the other commenters seem to be expecting me to to be a creep because I don’t agree with them politically. Apparently if you are asian I am supposed to stalk you or something, ah who knows.

If you are just shoot my ass, Larry will teach you for free to carry. Something about trucks and proving he isn’t racist. I could be an evil JSWs or the more sinister SJW.

Tom Kratman
Guest

Chlamydia, is that you? If so, no, you are not _supposed_ to stalk Asian females; you just do.

Tom Kratman
Guest

Right, so file him not under “Chlamydia” but under “limppecker,” yes?

donniegwinn
Guest
I hope you’re happy, Larry Correia. All this Hugo brouhaha has brought a repressed memory of trauma from my childhood (well, college, but I was pretty childish at the time.) My little college had a published author teaching creative writing for some reason, and although she wasn’t a best-seller or anything (I don’t think she’d ever lived solely by writing) she did make a habit of stressing that writing advice from “writers” was more important than any advice from people “living the writer lifestyle.” Effort, production, editing and publication were all key factors in differentiating these two classes of writer-like… Read more »
Fail Burton
Guest
I think we’re probably getting to the time where there should be something produced like “Straight White Man Comics,” “white privilege” buttons, and finally, a “cis peeeoooople” t-shirt in honor of UK resident Alex Binary MacFarlane. Also, a “Supercalifragiliciouscisheteropatriarchy” shirt might be nice. A quote from PC SJW SFF illustrator Jim McDermott on a t-shirt might be good: “Is this a WorldCon or a WhiteCon?” Other suggestions: Post-Binary Comics What the Cis-Het!?! Privilege=MC2 Safer-Space Donuts Trigger Warning: For Everything My Privilege Itches Or these might be ironically ironicallycally popular t-shirts: “The power fantasies of disenchanted white men” (courtesy of two-time… Read more »
Fail Burton
Guest

Hahaha. What’s with all the Portuguese all of a sudden? When did that happen? They’re always playing samba music and eating black beans and rice. I don’t like samba music. I don’t like black beans and rice. And they pronounce “R’s” at the start of a word like “H.” WHO PRONOUNCES “R” LIKE “H” AT THE START OF A WORD? UGH!!! Sylvester Stallone didn’t make “Hockey.” I’m worried SF might default to Portuguese. Do we really need an SF version of Captains Courageous – mebbe with Gatling guns… 20mm?

Actually that might be cool.

SirBrass
Guest

As long as you don’t start writing your books by first staring into a magic hat to figure out what to write, I think we’ll be good, Larry 😉 😛

Expendable Henchman
Guest

When I contemplate all these people eating fish, I say to myself “Yipee!!! More delicious cows for me!!! …and no nassssty fishes.”

They’re eating black beans and rice to save the delicious carne asada for you. Be grateful.

Tom
Guest

Of course you can always have the buried-in-irony quote t-shirt from Tor.com blogger and post-binary girl Alex D. MacFarlane: “I suspect the ability to push boundaries and not cause hurt requires the pusher to not be a middle class white straight man.”

We white men don’t know how to push the right boundaries, obviously.

Fail Burton
Guest

White men are more or less like apes…

…who lucked into things like inventing time-keeping at sea by oppressing their plucky slaves.

Tom
Guest

Well, obviously.

Because WE don’t have any functional brain cells that would allow us to invent anything on our own.

Jeff Gauch
Guest

Certainly nothing useful, just time-wasters like interchangeable parts, steam engines, electrical generators, physics, and calculus.

Tom
Guest

Yeah. Piddely little stuff.

Bubbasrelm
Guest

you guys forgot monster truck rallies.

CombatMissionary
Guest

How about “The Space Caliphate: All Your White Patriarchy are Belong To Us”? 😉

The Childlike Author
Guest

In other words, Larry played the left like a fiddle. Heh. I like that.

Wes S.
Guest
Reading some of the lefty reaction to the Sad Puppies campaign… Good Lord, I feel like I’m back in junior high. “Ew, yuck, I don’t like you. Go away.” A commenter over at Vox’s place likened the Scalziites to a pack of Mean Girls, which I think fits. Myself, I’m taking notes of who says what, so I know who not to spend any of my hard-earned money on. Never have read, for example, anything by Scalzi or Charles Stross, and after this I won’t be reading of their stuff. And Seanan McGuire…well, I sort of liked the “Newsflesh” trilogy… Read more »
dyingearth
Guest

Big Boys Don’t Cry should be eligible for next year for novella.

The Childlike Author
Guest

Ha! I saw that Mean Girls comment as well. It’s strikingly apt.

a44v589
Guest

That’s a shame you won’t read any Stross. The Laundry books (Jennifer Morgue and so on) are a lot of fun, in a scp-project kind of way. The Trade Wars books are really great too. Saturn’s Children was…boring, but still had some really great SF concepts to it. It’s more of the “art” sf that’s…boring, but stuff does actually happen and interesting ideas are explored (how to build surface cities on Mercury, for example).

Don’t fall into the same trap as the lefties. There’s a ton of really interesting stuff out there that you might miss.

junior
Guest

I like Stross’s first three Laundry books (the third is my favorite). But something was off with the fourth book, and I was somewhat disappointed with it. Unfortunately, I can’t put my finger on what was wrong.

At the very least, people should read the various Laundry short stories that are available for free on-line (which I think is all of them except for the computer RPG short story that’s found in the back of one of his novels). You’ll never look at Santa Claus or unicorns in quite the same way…

^^;;

Tom
Guest
I stopped reading Scalzi after I read a blog post where he pretty much blasted libertarianism. I’m sorry, but if you deride the philosophy that governs much of my life, then you don’t really need my money anymore. The difference between me and the left is that I’ll still admit that Scalzi can write a pretty good story. They think it’s impossible that someone like Larry could tell a good one because of the hatey hate McHaterson stuff deep inside of him. Of course, they also don’t think that someone can write a story and their own politics not seep… Read more »
suburbanbanshee
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The truth about sf history is that there have always been a lot of arguments, fannish politics, and annoying people at the top of the field. The difference is that nowadays, a lot of this stuff is enforced instead of found annoying, and it’s in your face. Whereas in the old days you only heard about this stuff as embarrassing stories about people’s rants in fanzines or letter columns, or during convention parties. However, it does seem that David Drake has been a favored hatey-mcHate target for a very long time, and the leftist approval for Samuel Delany apparently struck… Read more »
Wes S.
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I don’t look on it as “falling into the same trap as the lefties.” I look on it more as making the lefties play the game by their own spiteful rules…in a Saul Alinsky sense. Why should people who utterly hate me for not sharing their warped worldview (or because I read authors that don’t share their warped worldview, for that matter) receive so much as one thin dime of my money? And why shouldn’t I encourage others to play the game the same way? Although there’s considerable merit in Dave P’s suggestion that if you want to read anything… Read more »
Dan Lane
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I live under a rock, apparently. Or have, since I pay extremely little attention to fannish things, and did not know that David Drake was one of their favorite dart-board fetishes. Odd, as he picks up a lot of their fave tropes- strong and highly skilled women, LGBT people treated as *gasp!* human beings like the rest of us (and no big deal made about it), colorful people… Wait. That’s not proper-think at all! No wonder. I never read Slammers, or the RCN series as having no discriminatory bias is actually having discriminatory bias before. *shakes head* And Tom, I’ll… Read more »
me
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Some of Stross’s work is pretty good, in my opinion. The Laundry stuff is an amusing conceit–spy novel + Dilbert + Lovecraft + hackers, played for bleak laughs–though already too much of them is Stross taking center-stage wearing the flayed skin of an author-avatar character and ranting at the reader about how much he hates the Yanks. “A Colder War” and “Missile Gap” are either existential horror or hilarious black humor–the difference seems to be in how you approach them and how you read them. The Problem with Charlie, though, is that he only wants to tell us one kind… Read more »
NR Pax
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The problem with Stross (At least with his latest writings) is that it’s painfully obvious that he was bitten by a Christian when he was a child and he has years of vengeance fiction to write about it.

Pellegri
Guest
I do like Watts quite a bit despite his ridiculous politics and “EVERYTHING IS SHITTY FOREVER” way of writing. I bombed out on the Rifters series before finishing it because of the way the–one character, who ditches his moral programming, is suddenly all about being as sexually horrible as possible–but I really did enjoy Blindsight. But then I also enjoy taking apart his assumptions and Big Smart Scientist!! act. He likes writing well-researched (for a given value of “researched”) books, which I appreciate, but his habit of footnoting everything and then talking about what an awesome dude he is for… Read more »
Synova
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“I look on it more as making the lefties play the game by their own spiteful rules…”

Except then you’ve agreed to play their game, instead of the one you really wanted to play.

(I will avoid authors, or actors, who’s work I can’t dissociate from whatever dumb thing they’ve said or done. I try not to notice too much, though, and practice a certain amount of selective hearing as long as possible.)

Geodkyt
Guest
My problem with Scalzi is that he actively attacks and denigrates me. He’s a pretty good author – I loved Redshirts, and I’ve enjoyed several of his novels (didn’t much like his reboot of Fuzzy Nation; it read like a Hollywood screenplay aimed at the Occupy mindset). Contrast him to Eric Flint who (as far as as I know) is actually *politically* farther from me than Scalzi claims to be, but he doesn’t go out of his way to actively attack and denigrate me. And he’s a helluva good writer. I literally have not read anything of his I didn’t… Read more »
Geodkyt
Guest

Correction “Little Fuzzy”. What was I thinking?!?

The Phantom
Guest

I liked Stross just fine until his work degenerated into one long screaming atheist rant.

Yeah, atheist, I got it, can we move on? No? Really no? Again the ranting? After two hundred pages it got kinda old.

Its like he got big enough the publisher decided he didn’t need to be edited anymore, and once they let him off the leash he went completely apeshit.

Same thing happened with Ian M. Bank’s last book. Kind of a shame, I liked most other things he did.

Carl Henderson
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You are missing some great books. McGruire’s “inCryptid” novels are a delight, and probably would be enjoyed by anyone who likes Correia’s Monster Hunter tales. I’ve enjoyed everything I’ve ever ready by Scalzi with the sole exception of Fuzzy Nation, which suffered by comparison to the original H Beam Piper work he was trying to reboot. And Charles Stross writes a lot of very good books. His “Laundry Files” series of novels and short stories is a particular favorite, as well as his near future second person Scottish police procedurals, “Halting State” and “Rule 34”. I also enjoyed his “Merchant… Read more »
Pellegri
Guest

I want to read McGuire because the synopses of her stuff appeal to me, but I cannot get through her writing. It’s very–I’m not even sure how to say it other than it reads to me the same way teenage-girl slice-of-life novels do, and I cannot connect with it at all.

Murgy
Guest

I enjoyed the Merchant Princes books, until the fourth or fifth one. Then, he started bash the then vice president. Message took precedence over story, and I found a different place to spend my dollars. YMMV

Geodkyt
Guest

Fuzzy Nation suffered by comparison to Little Fuzzy, because it was *radically* different than Piper’s story in feeling and purpose.

It’s as if someone rewrote Time Enough For Love and made W.W. Smith a Puritan and coward. Or the Vanderhoaxen version of Starship Troopers.

DaveP.
Guest

H. Beam Piper was also, by all descriptions of those who knew him, a true gentleman- and solidly opposed to collectivism. I don’t think he would’ve approved of either the treatment or the artist.

DaveP.
Guest

Buy ’em used, ‘migo. And make sure the authors know you did, andd know why.
“Here’s why I went out of your way to make sure you didn’t get a royalty from me…”

Achillea
Guest

Public library’s another option.

Expendable Henchman
Guest

Naw, don’t want to say anything at all to ’em. Saying that will get other glittery hoo-haas to feel sisterhood, and others will get motivated to send them money or buy books or something equally as society destroying.

To really hurt an author, let the tumbleweeds blow through their blog.

Tom Kratman
Guest

I’m reasonably willing to take one for the team, Wes, but, as Vox pointed out on VP once or twice, I’m even more hated by the left than he is…which is saying something. But note that “take one for the team,” above. I said it before, maybe here or maybe in FB: The _only_ reason to nominate me would be to clear the slate for someone else.

Geodkyt
Guest

Yeah, Tom — if they found a copy of Vox’s work on their shelf, they’d call an exterminator, maybe wipe down with Clorox sheets.

If they found one of yours, they’d have to invent a secular humanist exorcism. . .

William O. B'Livion
Guest

On the contrary.

See, the level of anger and bile that folks like you, Mr. Correia and Vox, uh, “engender” (snicker) is really unhealthy. By causing all the head ‘splody angst and bile we’re shortening their lives.

Since their lives are so miserable and painful we’re helping end their misery early.

Since they’re annoying (at least some of) “us”, ending their lives early puts them out of OUR misery.

So it’s a win win.

Tom Kratman
Guest

Well…wouldn’t that also be clearing the slate, William, as I suggested? 😉

Wes S.
Guest

It seems that the slate-clearing has already begun. Quote:

“Anyway: if Kratman really gets nominated, then I would lament, in a way that I have not been made to this year. Correia passes – again, for *me, ymmv – the plausibility threshold; VD does not but is at least trying to write and showing some minimal-pulse level of ability. Kratman’s stuff is both utterly reprehensible *and* completely void of any storytelling or language-manipulation ability. Yeach.”

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/015838.html#2242499

Quick work, Colonel. 😛

Fatty
Guest

“Kratman’s stuff is both utterly reprehensible *and* completely void of any storytelling or language-manipulation ability. ”

Whoa, whoa… we can discuss the relative (de)merits of writers like Corria, Scalzi and this Vox Dei fellow y’all are talking about… but the Kratman comment is spot on. Isn’t he the guy who wrote “Caliphate” (my apologies if I’m wrong)?

Amy Sterling Casil
Guest

“forced to drive their mobility scooters into the SAFE AREA whenever I came around.” Thanks for laugh of the day. What a great visual. Demographics are changing around here in SoCal and it’s sad to see all the young people who can actually walk being ignored and put down by the Scooter Store crowd.

John Wlas
Guest

Remember, Larry, this sage advice: When the game playing of the simple-mined wears your patience thin take a few minutes and look at your bank accounts and smile.

pavepusher
Guest

“Smile”, hell. He probably shakes the roof from rolling on the floor belly-laughing himself sick…

adelaide blair
Guest
Hi. I have been a SFF reader for about 36 years now and have read widely and kind of indiscriminately. (You know, for fun.) I haven’t really participated in much fandom, because I’m not really that kind of person. But I’ve been reading more blogs/fanzines etc this past year, and I can’t say I’ve seen a lot that I like. There seem to be two different crowds (you know who you are) and I’ve seen A LOT of uncivil behavior on both sides. It has only convinced me that I really don’t want to participate. But the thing that has… Read more »
Dawn Watson
Guest

I hear ya. All of the Hugo hooha aside, I never thought I’d see the day when people were encouraged to read or not read an author based on the author’s personal beliefs. The idea is absolutely ludicrous. What person agrees 100% with another? No one. Therefore, if we all followed such a system, no one would be able to read.

Tom
Guest

Well, I can’t speak for everyone on this side of the aisle, but as for me, I’ll tell you who I think you should read. Anyone who writes a good story.

Politics be damned. I’ve got a couple of writers I won’t buy, not because of THEIR politics, but how they’ve derided mine. However, I won’t tell anyone else to not buy their stuff.

Dawn Watson
Guest

I have exactly one author I won’t read because of her personal beliefs. She was the first person to suggest such an idea to me with a straight (virtual) face. Yes, she’s one of those SJW people. I thought banning her from my reading list was poetic justice, but I don’t actively campaign against her works. My mother raised me to have better manners than that.

Tom
Guest

Same here. I’ll mention the name, but usually among other people who aren’t buying his stuff in the first place. However, like I said, I won’t say he can’t write. He certainly can. If he had been a bad writer, I’d probably never have bothered to find his blog and see what he thought of people like me.

SBP
Guest
I like Eric Flint and have read a lot of his stuff, both solo and in collaboration with others. Even though he’s supposedly a communist, I feel sure he’s not down with muzzling anybody or putting them in camps. Miéville, I won’t read. Scalzi, I won’t read. I won’t read anything that the Nielsen Haydens have touched. And I won’t read any of these people who are trying to prevent folks from reading Correia. That last one won’t be much of a sacrifice, since I’ve yet to see any who sound like they’re worth reading. The Communist Manifesto and Das… Read more »
Tom
Guest

I like Flint’s stuff too. Despite his politics, he tells stories that appeal to me. In part, it’s probably because he knows that his politics don’t have any place in a good story.

Loved the Belasarius series the most, but I’ve liked some of his other stuff too.

See? We right wing types DO read non-right wingers. We just don’t want to hear how left wing they really are in stories that are supposed to be about entertainment.

Geodkyt
Guest
Adelkaide — It’s not their personal beliefs that cause me to avoid certain authors based on philosophy. (Point of fact, I think Eric Flint is a better *writer* than Larry in many respects. Sorry, Larry, I love ya, and would read your grocery lists, but Flint’s got some mad game. 😉 ) I *do*, however, refrain from financially rewarding people who use the fame and money thus gained to overtly attack me and my core beliefs on a nearly continual basis. Especially when they aren;t even as good at their business as otehrs who do NOT go out of their… Read more »
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Joe in PNG
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Silly sad little SJW Stalinist. A little lesson from history, just for you. People keep trying to shut down freedom of speech. Often times the motives are pure and noble (we don’t want people saying undeserved and mean things about people). But it soon becomes a way to shut out critisism- because critisism hurts, and people like to self justify. Thus, one winds up with massively obvious flaws that nobody is allowed to point out or fix, because that would go against the official party line and Chairman Mao Thought. See also the Bloody History of the 20th Century. Thus,… Read more »
criticaluniverse
Guest

So this was brought to my attention. On of your fans tries to use reason and logic and is banned and later made fun of on Twitter…

http://radishreviews.com/2014/04/21/do-i-dare-disturb-the-universe/#comment-31283

https://twitter.com/eilatan/status/459395207357018112

I usually try to stay clear of this shit but The Other Rick’s comments are so far from “trolling” that I felt his valiant effort deserved to be pointed out.

Fail Burton
Guest

Fun quote of the day:

“Natalie Luhrs ‏@eilatan 2h

“@katsudonburi I’ve never worn a corset–in part bc I would have to get one custom bc I am SUPER short-waisted.”

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Jeff Gauch
Guest

Is “I am SUPER short-waisted” code for “it would look like someone shrink-wrapped a tube of cookie dough”?

Book
Guest

Wow. My favorite bit about that? She couldn’t even answer any of his questions. Just banned him. Because SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP!

We’re dealing with some intellectual heavy weights here. //eye roll//

CombatMissionary
Guest

“We’re (un)wanted men. I’ve got the ban sentence on twelve SJW systems!”

RatSEAL
Guest

Nice.

Bubbasrelm
Guest

Damnit Combat…

I had forgotten what soda in the nose feels like.

CombatMissionary
Guest

Sorry, can’t help myself. It’s just my ADD-riddled impulsivity.
*Victimhood flag hoisted*
*New skill level UNLOCKED!!!!!!*
😀

Julaire
Guest

Having wandered around the ‘net for a few days reading posts about this, I’ve started wanting to leave comments that are simply “Hail Hydra!” on most of their boards. Since that seems to be the sort of world they want to promote, they should be acknowledged for it.

junior
Guest

But only the good Soviet Russia Hydra is to be acknowledged. The evil Nazi Hydra is to be ignored.

johncwright2001
Guest
Mr. Correia, if only I were a pagan, I would erect to you a shrine, and sacrifice a manatee while forcing my wife and daughter to dance around the sacred statue of you. Alas, I am a member of a heteronormative plutocratic Islamophobic fascist pro-Aryan phallocratic religious cult where I pray fifty times a day to a Jewess named Maryam, therefore forbidden from the enlightened Roman practice of having the Patrician senate vote you deification honors. You’ve talking me into buying the sequels to your HARD MAGIC as soon as I can beg money from She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed. Good thing I am… Read more »
jabrwok
Guest

And by the ‘Patriarchy’ of course I mean the government of the bellicose catlike aliens of 61 Ursae Majoris, of course

Shouldn’t that be “Petriarchy” then?

dyingearth
Guest

Hell, at this junction, I’ll buy the 3 books in your favor format and ship it to you. I’ve bought enough of your book already (currently reading Golden Age).

MilpitasJim
Guest
Mr. Correia, I doubt you will read this, but I just felt that I needed to let you know that I originally didn’t believe you and what you were saying about the politics of the Hugos. I am a big fan of your books and recomend them to everyone I know who wants a good book to read. I also happen to be a fan of Tor.com and was listening to their new podcast “Rocket talk” specifcally their episode of going over the Hugo nominees. When I heard them talk about your writting, or more correctly your politics and not… Read more »
Nathan
Guest

At some point, they have to realize that their uproar is counter productive. For instance, Clamps was a moron, but I never would have read Vox, John C. Wright (Awake in the Night Land is awe-inspiring), or a handful of others without his Crusade Against Evil here and on other blogs.

So, Clamps, SJWs, please, by all means, tell me what I shouldn’t read and think. I need more reading material and your negative endorsements have turned out to include some really good reads.

Fail Burton
Guest
Here’s the funny bit: the UK has no First Amendment protections for free speech. Hate-speech which amounts to racial incitement is against the law. If that were pressed home in a truly neutral fashion, the social justice Torlocks lose Hugo nominees: 12 to 1. That is what law is, and why law, principle and neutrality are worthless to the PC. That ratio shows the amount of bald-faced delusion the PC indulge in to justify their racism. Keep in mind: the UK is where a guy was arrested for racism for singing “Kung Fu Fighting” because it was heard by a… Read more »
junior
Guest
Yeah, UK’s speech laws were often used as the basis for “libel tourism”. A book would be published in the US by a US author that was perfectly in-line with US speech laws. Some party annoyed by something mentioned in the book would rant and rave about “hate speech”, but wouldn’t be able to do anything because the things stated in the book were perfectly true (and thus protected). Then the book would go on sale in the UK, and the party in question would file suit against the author based on the UK’s speech laws. iirc, a few years… Read more »
Fail Burton
Guest

I’m sure that’ll be very comforting to 6 of the 12 who live in the UK.

junior
Guest

?

Not sure what that’s about.

In any event, US laws can’t protect UK residents. But at least you have the opportunity to get hold of books that might otherwise be withheld from release in the UK due to the lack of proper free speech protections.

CMB
Guest

It’s worse than that. You don’t even have to publish in the UK, it just has to be available. ISTR that the definition used of “available” was “a copy has been imported”.

Michael Kingswood
Guest

Yeah, UK Libel laws are atrocious. See the case of the British Chiropractic Association v Simon Singh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCA_v._Singh ). Fortunately, Simon won, but at the cost of many thousands of Pounds. I recall hearing there was a movement afoot to change those laws, but apparently that’s not happened yet.

Carl Henderson
Guest

Now watch someone make a criminal complaint in the UK against Loncon and the Hugos because they are allowing the works of such a notorious racist evil hatemonger on the ballot!

Fail Burton
Guest

Well, they have no quotes against Correia, which is why they so rarely use them, preferring instead libel and slander, which are also much easier to prosecute in the UK than the US. Several times I’ve seen Charles Stross mention he’s not going to get specific on his blog about a given UK dust-up for that very reason. It’s different in the US – a free-fire zone.

tariencole
Guest

Reblogged this on The Worlds of Tarien Cole and commented:
Larry’s latest on the Hugo hatcheting.

sigivald
Guest
To the morons who keep talking about how they wouldn’t “feel safe” if I attended WorldCon, you may untwist your panties God, what’s WRONG with these people? (I confess I’ve never read your books, though not out of dislike of your politics … just never gotten around to it. Maybe one of these days. I concur completely that a man’s politics don’t make his books bad; Iain Banks was a flaming Communist, but the Culture novels are brilliant. Now, when someone’s politics actually invade their work and it distracts, that’s another matter. Literally, another matter. Banks does well because the… Read more »
Rob Crawford
Guest

I have to wonder about the people who “wouldn’t feel safe” — have they ever been to an SCA event? Everyone has a knife, many of the people there are trained in how to use them.

pst314
Guest
Some of them would not “feel safe” because they wet themselves at the mere thought of weapons in the hands of citizens. Some would not “feel safe” if the weapons were in the hands of non-communists. Most merely use “not feel safe” as a passive-aggressive, cowardly way of saying that they want to silence those they disagree with. For example: the feminazis at Wiscon claimed that they “felt unsafe” because an invited guest expressed the opinion that the fundamental texts of Islam contain material that mandate intolerance and war. There is no rational basis for claiming that expressing such an… Read more »
Alan
Guest

Yeah. Standard SCA joke: “Anybody got a knife?” – followed by belt knives being unsheathed by 20-30 people within hearing range, offering to be helpful.
Avoiding the over-reactions of modern-dress visitors who happen to be SJWs is a major reason for most SCA events to encourage only those who are willing to dress the part and go along with the culture / site rules.

Geodkyt
Guest

Alan —

My ex-wife got a similar response from some DC-based corporate types when someone asked for a knife, and she whipped her “dressy knife” (a small, flat assisted opener) from her bra strap and snapped it open.

Apparantly, there are some people who leave their homes feeling fully dressed without carrying the most basic of paleolithic tools with them. . .

ump
Guest

That’s hilarious! You think SCA is real combat training…

Kevin Harron
Guest

Pretty left leaning guy here. Reposted this on FB, with a comment along the lines of ‘If it really is about the art, Larry’s got a point’. Read the books, make the decision based on the book. I read plenty of books from folks I disagree with politically.

Jason
Guest

I think you meant “gender-normative”. Sigh 😉

NateM
Guest

Now, you didn’t Need to reference Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, but damned if it didn’t make that post better

Jason
Guest

I hope Wheel of Time doesn’t win. I thought the first book was good. The second was OK. Couldn’t finish the third.

Wordy Newb
Guest

Couldn’t stand WoT either, but was forced to read through them at gunpoint. The series got good once Sanderson started writing.

Any how, people buy them and love them, including my friend with the gun. They don’t buy stuff I write.

Yet.

Joel
Guest

I only heard about the kerfuffle today, and frankly wouldn’t have blown $40 to get involved in it anyway.

But i paid for and own all three Grimnoir books, (and all your other books) and think they absolutely rock. So I guess I’m a rightwing hater of hatey-hate hateitude too.

(and on a personal preference note: Thank you thank you for writing a kick-ass trilogy with a beginning, middle and end rather than writing an X-number-of-books series into the ground, as seems common in the Baen universe.)

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Tom
Guest

Something I just noticed. Didn’t Mike Resnick get virtual-lynched for using the term “lady editor” (among other things) in the SFWA Bulletin recently?

One of the nominees is “The Lady Astronaut of Mars”, by Mary Robinette Kowal. LADY Astronaut.

Isn’t that badthink on her part or something?

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
Guest

… but it’s THEIR ‘Lady Astronaut!’ Not one by the Minions of HateyHate. So it doesn’t count as badthink.

Because doublestandards. And by a WOMAN. So there! …or something.

(and every single time I try to write something up that sounds like the gibbering mob, it hurts my head to try think even a bit like they do. )

T.L. Knighton
Guest

I’m the exact same way.

Eamon J. Cole
Guest

Yeah, you gotta be careful not to crack your brain. Or contort so much you sproing your corpus callosum.

Daniel B.
Guest

This is… a very long post.

Oboe killer
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I don’t normally enter into interweb arguments any longer, they usually give me gas. I did want to comment, however, because I’ve been following the explosion of rhetoric about all the Hugo noms. Big fan, by the way. Six people in our family (parental units and four boys), and we’ve all read all the books in the Monster Hunter series. I read this today: “However, the position of a white, cisgendered, heterosexual man is a demographic position of privilege and power both in fandom and without it. ” Do whut?!! Huh? Do people actually talk like that? Seriously? What the… Read more »
Dan Lane
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“Cisgendered” means, as I understand it, to be born of a certain gender (male or female), happy with it, no sexual/gender/identity confusion, and remains as such.

Or, short version, born with a penis and likes it/born with a vagina and likes it, and stays that way.

Oboe killer
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Damn, that’s weird.

Rat SEAL
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denoting or relating to a person whose self-identity conforms with the gender that corresponds to their biological sex.

jabrwok
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Yep, it means “normal”.

kastandlee
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“Cisgendered” means, as I understand it, to be born of a certain gender (male or female), happy with it, no sexual/gender/identity confusion, and remains as such. Or, short version, born with a penis and likes it/born with a vagina and likes it, and stays that way. Yep, it means “normal”. And that, in a nutshell, is how I think many people see the world: Anyone just like you is “normal” and anyone else is not. That doesn’t just mean your gender identity or sexual orientation (which are two different things, in case you didn’t know it), but your race and… Read more »
Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
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Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

Yep, that’s the problem in a nutshell. If we’re normal, we should be ashamed of being normal. [Sarcasm]

And if we’re not ashamed of being normal, it is ok to hate us. Which is what we see happening.

jabrwok
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Word have actual definitions you know, including words like “normal“.

SBP
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On the other hand, writing poems that suggest “libertarian” = “Nazi” is perfectly okay. Because that’s not at all insulting.

Right?

” a white, male, cisgendered, heterosexual, English-speaking American.”

I’m a person, myself.

kastandlee
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Of course it’s insulting. See the saying that a proper English gentleman is never unintentionally rude.

Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
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Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

People who are deliberately insulting are “asking” to be insulted back. Is that the world Liberals want? Do you really want a world full of hatred because that’s what Liberal insults seem to creating.

Achillea
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I’m going with ‘anyone just like 98%+ of the population is normal.’ While I have no doubt that some people are offended by the word meaning what it means and not what they /want/ it to mean, I’m not losing any sleep over it.

dgarsys
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@ kastandlee Let’s look at “normal” <b<nor·mal adjective 1. conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected. “it’s quite normal for puppies to bolt their food” synonyms: usual, standard, ordinary, customary, conventional, habitual, accustomed, expected, wonted; More ordinary, average, typical, run-of-the-mill, middle-of-the-road, common, conventional, mainstream, unremarkable, unexceptional, garden-variety, a dime a dozen antonyms: unusual (of a person) free from physical or mental disorders. 2. technical (of a line, ray, or other linear feature) intersecting a given line or surface at right angles. 3. MEDICINE (of a salt solution) containing the same salt concentration as the blood. CHEMISTRYdated (of a solution)… Read more »
Laurie
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“You define yourself as “normal” and everyone else as abnormal.”

Sorry, no, we don’t, and it is extremely ugly of you to make that accusation. No one has said anything negative about “abnormal” at all. Only that “normal” should be allowed, too (and in SFF, that’s hardly going to be “normal” anyway).

I am sick to death of people like you accusing me of beliefs I do not hold, based on no evidence whatsoever, only your own prejudices, in order to allow yourself some manufactured outrage. Do you feel all superior now? Are you really that petty?

kastandlee
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Petty? I reacted angrily to the dismissal of an actual value-neutral term (“cisgendered”, which is the opposite of “transgendered”; “cis-” and “trans-” being antonyms) with a loaded term of “normal,” implying everything else as “abnormal,” which is generally a negative term. I’m sorry, but that dismissal infuriates me, because I’ve seen just how much harm it causes to the people who don’t fall into those nice little “normal” buckets.

SBP
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Proper English gentlemen don’t lie.

Other than that, great point.

SBP
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It is a lie, Kevin. You’re not stupid. You know that it’s a lie.

It’s a lie no less reprehensible than claiming that Jews make matzo out of the blood of Christian babies.

You’re comfortable calling people who do stuff like that “your side”? Really?

I guess I’m going to have to revise my previous statements about accepting your word.

kastandlee
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And because the replies are so intertwined, I’m going to have to post that again with the quote to which I replies included because it’s probably impossible to figure out its context.

It is a lie, Kevin. You’re not stupid. You know that it’s a lie.

Can you write that again with the reference replacing “It”? I honestly couldn’t figure out what you were saying.

Laurie
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” that dismissal infuriates me”

There is no dismissal of anything here, no matter how much you need this to be so. And you do need it, I think. Again, manufactured outrage, allowing yourself to hate, even if what you hate exists only in your head. There’s a word for that. It’s “bigot.”

Perhaps you are tired. Perhaps you’ve been listening to the bigots on the other side too much – and they are bigots. But right now, I’m beginning to question your assertions of honesty, if you are this dishonest now.

kastandlee
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There is no dismissal of anything here, no matter how much you need this to be so. And you do need it, I think. Again, manufactured outrage, allowing yourself to hate, even if what you hate exists only in your head. There’s a word for that. It’s “bigot.

Would I be right in assuming that you are a cisgendered person yourself with no personal knowledge of any transgendered people? (I’m not talking about seeing them on TV or on the internet.)

Eamon J. Cole
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Would I be right in assuming that you are a cisgendered person yourself with no personal knowledge of any transgendered people? (I’m not talking about seeing them on TV or on the internet.)

Sir, your assumptions and biases are remarkable.

How about, with all your talk of sensitivity and appreciation of diversity you try avoiding the assumption of a monolithic culture “over here?” Do you think you could see your way there?

Or is it necessary to reduce any apparent opposition to a simple stereotype in order to bolster your sense of truth and honor?

SBP
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Equating libertarians with Nazis. That’s a lie, Kevin.

Let’s see… so far we’ve had you defending political blacklisting and Goebbels-style Big Lie tactics. I’m really curious to see just how far a “man of honor” will go down that road.

kastandlee
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Equating libertarians with Nazis. That’s a lie, Kevin Thanks. Seriously. Yeah, I don’t think most libertarians are actual Nazis, just as I think the accusations of being communists thrown at US-type political liberals are overwrought as well. I think many of them, given the world they claim to want, would not get what they think they would out of it. Based on the behaviors of I’ve seen of some-but-not-all self-described libertarians, I tend to think a society that started out with pure libertarianism would collapse into feudalism at best and gangsterism at worst, but Nazis? Nope. I also don’t subscribe… Read more »
Laurie
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“Would I be right in assuming that you are a cisgendered person yourself with no personal knowledge of any transgendered people?”

No, you would be utterly wrong – best friends and family, and many dead of AIDS in the 80s.

You really are a bigot, aren’t you?

kastandlee
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Okay, you don’t have the excuse of ignorance. Sorry.

thewriterinblack
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Okay, you don’t have the excuse of ignorance. Sorry.

And thus he attempts the Kafkatrap.

Patrick Chester
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@kastandlee
Odd, you hear the word “normal” automatically think “abnormal” about people who don’t fit in as “normal” and somehow it’s other people’s fault?

Tom
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Exactly.

Everyone’s abnormal in some way. Personally, I’m ADHD and dyslexic (big fun for a writer). Those are abnormalities.

How someone views the term “abnormality” tells us a lot more about themselves than the people pointing out that it’s not normal much of the time.

SBP
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“Yeah, I don’t think most libertarians are actual Nazis”

So some are, you’re suggesting? Names? Quotes?

“I at least am not anonymous”

Well, Kevin, your “honorable” friends don’t want to blacklist you, now do they? That’s what they’re doing to people, you know. Teresa Nielsen Hayden has admitted it, in public.

Patrick Nielsen Hayden has published, front and center, a poem that suggests libertarians are Nazis. He’s not stupid. He knows it’s not true, just the same as you do.

“The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.” — Ralph Waldo Emerson

kastandlee
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Yeah, I don’t think most libertarians are actual Nazis

So some are, you’re suggesting? Names? Quotes?

Nope. Statistics; lots of people, lots of opinions. Some of the far left are authoritarian Communist-types. Some of the far right, libertarian-identified people are Nazi-types. In no case are they hugely significant numbers of people though.

thewriterinblack
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Some of the far right, libertarian-identified people are Nazi-types.

You can’t name any but they just have to exist, is that it?

So, basically you either made it up or are mindlessly repeating others claims without any substantiation.

So, anybody want to invoke The List on mr. “kastandlee”‘s posts?

kastandlee
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My name is Kevin Standlee (the handle is an artifact of how the login system works as far as I know; the “a” is my middle initial). I was co-chairman of the 2002 World Science Fiction Convention and have served in a variety of other roles in various Worldcons and in WSFS administrative duties, from gopher up to deputy Chairman. I’m not anonymous, unlike most of the people who post here. (Or on Making Light as well; I don’t like it there either. And my LiveJournal is in my own name as well.) Indeed, my name is so oddly spelled… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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Who are you, thewriterinblack? Oh, a very good diversion from the post. You can’t name anyone, can you? All of this “who I am and who are you” BS is just a smokescreen to cover that. Yeah, I use a handle. The term, in case you aren’t aware of it, is “personal branding.” Just how “anonymous” is someone where the link associated with their handle takes you to their WP blog (currently in the process of porting over from blogger) which has, plain as day, a “My titles for Sale” where their name is plastered all over their covers. Here,… Read more »
Laurie
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“Okay, you don’t have the excuse of ignorance. Sorry.”

Excuse for what? You’re the one making vile accusations with no evidence. The only person who has brought up anything about anyone being anti-gay is you.

Bigot.

kastandlee
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Anti-gay? Hardly touched on it. Sexual orientation and gender identity are different things. But if you want to put it in those terms: There was a time when the perceived antonym of “homosexual” was “normal.” I’d like to think we’re past that now, an that “heterosexual” isn’t perceived as an insulting term of some sort. Similarly, the opposite of “transgenered” is more appropriately “cisgendered,” not “normal.” That’s what got me riled up.

Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
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Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
Mr. in some ways I’m not “normal”. I’m an asper. However, I don’t go around “whining” about it or expecting others to “bow down to me”. I do my best to deal with other people as an adult not a child. Unfortunately, in the Liberal world as a white I am said to “live life on the easy setting”. In the Liberal world, as a non-gay male, I’m said ‘to live life on the easy setting”. I haven’t heard much about “Christian privilege” but I’m sure some of the Liberal bigots would say that as a Christian (not as good… Read more »
Laurie
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“Some of the far right, libertarian-identified people are Nazi-types”

Nazi means “National socialist” – and Nazism is a form of socialism. Hitler hated capitalism and the free market, and everything was under government control. That’s the opposite of libertarianism.

kastandlee
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Nazi means “National socialist” – and Nazism is a form of socialism. Hitler hated capitalism and the free market, and everything was under government control. That’s the opposite of libertarianism. Yep. I agree with you. I also think that there are people describe themselves as libertarians but who, given the chance, would impose their will upon people as much as any other authoritarian types. Personally, I lean (social) libertarian in some aspects myself, except that the actual behavior of some (most definitely not all!) self-described libertarians makes me not want to associate with them. What I said earlier applies: I… Read more »
Laurie
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“So, anybody want to invoke The List on mr. “kastandlee”‘s posts?”

Well, we’ve certainly got Disregard inconvenient facts and Make Shit Up. Would groundless accusations of anti-gay count as Racism?

Patrick Chester
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@Laurie: You are impure for using doubleplus ungood terminology. Confess! Confess! *eyeroll*

Though it’s interesting how he is the one who uses “abnormal” to define “not normal” and presumes everyone else does and does so in a negative context… like he does. Yet it’s those icky awful people who don’t use “cisgendered” and other buzzwords who have problems.

SBP
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Nazis are socialists. So are fascists. Neither has anything to do with anything that could remotely be described as “libertarian”. As I pointed out elsewhere on this thread, Nazis are only “on the right” if you’re a Stalinist. lib·er·tar·i·an [lib-er-tair-ee-uhn] Show IPA noun 1. a person who advocates liberty, especially with regard to thought or conduct. 2. a person who maintains the doctrine of free will (distinguished from necessitarian ). adjective 3. advocating liberty or conforming to principles of liberty. 4. maintaining the doctrine of free will. Na·zi [naht-see, nat-] Show IPA noun, plural Na·zis. 1. a member of the… Read more »
Laurie
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“Similarly, the opposite of “transgenered” is more appropriately “cisgendered,” not “normal.” That’s what got me riled up.” I’m assuming you work either in academia or publishing*, because no one, and I mean NO ONE, in the real world, including all my gay friends and family, use words like “cisgendered.” Sorry, but no. In fact, we laugh at people who do – as you saw on this forum. But that’s just academic silliness. Publish or perish has produced some pretty ludicrous stuff. The fact that you would actually attack people for not using it is even worse, not to mention your… Read more »
rek
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“cisgender” is jargon used by a couple of specific ingroup, consisting of transgendered folk, feminists, their allies, and the academics that study those issues.

Having an ingroup apply a jargon label to an outgroup, and then become offended when the outgroup doesn’t accept the jargon label and use it to refer to themselves is absolutely absurd.

Laurie
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“Having an ingroup apply a jargon label to an outgroup, and then become offended when the outgroup doesn’t accept the jargon label and use it to refer to themselves is absolutely absurd.” Being offended is the whole point. In the mind of a certain kind of offendee, it conveys automatic superiority. Same as knocking down strawmen. I have friends who do this, and every one of them, while personally likable people, has something lacking inside of them, something broken. And none of them have pursued careers that would help fix this – they’re in academia, mostly, or writers. A good… Read more »
Jake Freivald
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Part of this discussion emphasizes the quantitative meaning of “normal,” as in being x standard deviations away from the mean. People on this thread are talking across each other in part because what the transgendered and their advocates want is for us to think that “transgender” is value-neutral, and that’s why they insist on “cisgender” as its opposite. People are right-handed and left-handed, not right-handed and normal. However, transgender is not quantitatively -normal-but-value-neutral, like being left-handed is. In at least the case of those who take steps to change gender (i.e., true transgendered people vs. transvestites), there is a problem,… Read more »
Jake Freivald
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*quantitatively-abnormal-but-value-neutral

Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
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Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

“There’s no problem”? Actually, those sorts say that there’s a problem but the problem is with “normal” people. [Sad Smile]

kastandlee
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transgender is not quantitatively -normal-but-value-neutral, like being left-handed is…

Being left-handed used to be considered “abnormal,” rather than just being part of normal human variation, and left-handed people were subject to “correction” sometimes rather nasty. And that wasn’t very long ago, either. It was effectively the use of the power of the state (working through the public schools, because that was the most likely place for such coercion) to “cure” people of their deviant behavior of being left-handed.

Jake Freivald
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Being left-handed used to be considered “abnormal,” rather than just being part of normal human variation, and left-handed people were subject to “correction” sometimes rather nasty.

I wondered if you’d say that. The clear difference is that other people felt that left-handedness was qualitatively abnormal, and tried to change left-handed people; with transgendered people, they themselves feel that something is amiss and want to be changed.

You can’t say on the one hand that there’s nothing wrong, and on the other hand want to remediate it.

Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
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Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

Therefore “right-handness” should be considered bad. [Sarcasm]

The Phantom
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kastandlee said: “It was effectively the use of the power of the state (working through the public schools, because that was the most likely place for such coercion) to “cure” people of their deviant behavior of being left-handed.”

You want to experience some “power of the State working through the public schools” kicking you ass, you should try having a helping of Asperger’s syndrome. That’s a whole lifetime of people fucking with you because you “don’t act right”.

Talking to me about “normal”? Check your trans-privilege at the door, baby.

kastandlee
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*bleak look* I know more about this than you would likely be aware of.

It’s wrong to do that to people with Asperger’s. It’s wrong to do that to left-handed people. And it’s wrong to do it to trans people.

Jake Freivald
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I note that I have not named any “it” that would be substituted into “do it to trans people”. I was discussing what transgenderism vs. normalcy, not any specific actions.

Pete
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“By the way, if you ever want to see a school full of teachers turn into drooling zombies, announce that they have “standardized test” training at a faculty meeting.”

Ooh! Larry, here’s a scene you need to put into your next book.

Brad R. Torgersen
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Very late to the party with this, but I think it’s relevant to what Larry’s been talking about. From the angle of a past triple-nominee.
http://bradrtorgersen.wordpress.com/2014/04/24/fear-and-loathing-at-the-awards-table-3/

Joe in PNG
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As a bonus, famed Vox stalker and creepy crappy writer Clamps has decided to, um, “grace” you with his presence.

dyingearth
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He’s using the handle Alauda. Lets just say this individual is a known stalker of women in his hometown.

Brad R. Torgersen
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So this is Clamps, eh? Interesting.

James
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We’re all neocons now 🙂

Chris-Lap
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,(and I personally think it is as grossly exaggerated as anything else these people decide to attack)

Although this is usally true, I think in this case they are not exaggerating based on what Beale has actually writen.

Now, I do suspect that Beale is doesn’t actually believe half the stuff he claims to, but is merely interested in blog traffic, but that’s not something that I’m in a position to prove

As, given all those descriptors that have been heaped upon you, I think those morons are conflating you and Beale.

Wes S.
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Oh wow, this’ll leave a mark. From a fellow named Jake Freivald:

“If you’re not watching the Hugos this year – and why would you? They’re normally a popularity contest among people who think they can understand how alien species would think when they can’t even understand how people from their own culture think — you might just consider paying attention.”

Whoever Jake is, he owes me a keyboard. 🙂

Mrs. John C. Wright
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Jake is a very cool guy…with nine kids.

Book
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Heh. I guess after you have 4 or more, the number of children you have suddenly becomes your identity.

“That’s Janice. She fought in Iraq, Turkey, and Afghanistan, was on the intelligence team that got Bin Laden, she won 6 gingerbread baking contests in 4 different states, AND SHE’S GOT NINE KIDS.”

Guaranteed response is -“NINE KIDS!?”

Jake Freivald
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Book: YES. 🙂

Thanks for the mention and kind words, Wes and Yagi.

Nomad
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@Book;
Fought in Turkiye? Any chance of explanation?

Wes S.
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No, Jake, thank *you.”

One good thing about this whole kerfluffle: I’m also finding plenty more bloggers to read…

Rob Crawford
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I spent the first day I was ever in Britain in the British Museum, and want to go back so I can spend another day in the British Museum. And some days other places.

Mrs. John C. Wright
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Sir, your post made me cheer! It is so delightful to know that there are genuine heroes left in the world. Bravo!

And thank you for your support of Brad! He certainly deserves it!

(Currently reading Hard Magic.)

Mrs. John C. Wright

rgrekejin
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Frankly, the thing this post made me most curious about is what the hell Vox’s day job is.

Blume
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Technically its game designer. He also opened a new publishing house.

Geodkyt
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Ditto. 🙂

bob k. mando
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i would only like to disagree with one thing: “This SJW angry mob inquisition has been a gradual and relatively recent development in our culture, mostly as a result of the anonymous and instant internet. it’s not recent. and it’s NOT because of the internet. this is the final flowering of the Gramscian ( marxist ) ‘Long March’ through the institutions of western power. the western institutions of education were suborned back in the early 1900s. you can read Ayn Rand’s “The Return of the Primitive” to see her observations on the creatures from the 60s-70s. http://www.amazon.com/The-Return-Primitive-Anti-Industrial-Revolution/dp/0452011841 or you can… Read more »
BradA
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Interesting post. I agree that those who are supposed to be tolerant are the most intolerant ones around. I would note in response to a comment near the start of your post that some of us oppose so-called homosexual marriage since it is the act of shoving it down our throats. They can claim to be married to whatever they want, but when the state steps in and forces the embracing of that it has gone too far. The problem is the same as this awards issue, you have to embrace the full scope, not just let people do whatever… Read more »
Expendable Henchman
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The best part is that, no shit, they’re *demanding* government registration of homosexual relationships. For themselves. It boggles the mind. If they had any brains at all they’d ask why the 2A folks are against gun registration. Or perhaps these folks have absolutely no idea where the hell the pink triangle came from. I guess I can’t blame them for not knowing, since most of the publicity is for the six million Jews murdered at the same time, in the same place. Utter idiots. Absolutely everything they want to accomplish by gay marriage could have been had, and in far… Read more »
BradA
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You rely on public pronouncements as being the true goal. These awards would be purely about the quality of the written work if that were true. The homosexual agenda is ultimately one of being embraced for their choices, kind of a feel good situation. It won’t happen, but it takes increasing government involvement to make it happen. Kind of like how it will take increasing “government involvement” to keep these awards pure in the eyes of some.

junior
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Expendable Henchman – “Absolutely everything they want to accomplish by gay marriage could have been had, and in far better ways, by simply getting power of attorney laws and medical insurance eligibility laws amended.” If that were true, then the Civil Union laws would have been sufficient. And Civil Union laws were quite popular in the places where they were suggested. But instead the pro-SSM crowd basically ignored them except as a stepping stone. We had a Civil Unions law on the books here in California, but the State Supreme Court ruled that (paraphrasing here) the fact that Civil Unions… Read more »
The Phantom
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The point of gay marriage is to shock and appall “Ozzie and Harriet” Christians.

The joke of gay marriage is that the Ozzie and Harriet Christians they’re targeting have been dead for forty years.

Andy L.
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Great post – I’ll be honest, I only discovered The Wheel of Time series a couple years ago, shortly before Robert Jordan passed on. I actually really like the series, and it has nothing to do with political messaging – the story engaged me and got me to care about the characters. I am perfectly fine saying that I also really like Mr. Correia’s work as he caught my attention the same way Mr. Jordan’s work did. In both cases I was pleasantly surprised when I picked up one of his books in a major bookstore the day before I… Read more »
Wes S.
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I’m also a huge Wheel of Time fan, for Robert Jordan’s skill at world-building as well as characterization. (Those are two things Brandon Sanderson also excels at, which made him, in retrospect, the perfect choice to finish the series.) Actually, Jordan was so skilled at world-building that he didn’t seem to want to leave it…which might explain why it took twenty-six years, fourteen books and two authors to finally finish the series. George R.R. Martin seems to have that same “problem” with Game of Thrones…although his Westeros is so friggin’ depressing that I’m not sure why you’d want to spend… Read more »
Wesley Nichols
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Yay! (but I don’t care that the Last Battle is over. I STILL WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!)

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Achillea
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I’ll read anyone who tells a good story, with interesting characters, and doesn’t insult my intelligence doing it. Now, there are a handful of good authors whose personal views I consider so completely beyond the pale that I refuse to put money in their pockets — but that’s what used bookstores and the public library are for.

CarpeOro
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Keep writing just as you have Larry. I picked up Hard Magic despite a few misgivings because frankly, anything at that Barnes and Noble that was worth buying was in my collection already or just couldn’t catch my interest. I gave your book a chance and enjoyed it enough I read the first three Monster Hunter books also. As has been noted, much of the genre is complete dreck these days. Driven in part at first by the residual cache of the prize from when it was a sign of something note worthy and interesting. Publishers keyed on that and… Read more »
Rue
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Okay, I may not agree with your political views, but who cares!Your entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine.

I love your writing and the stories you tell!

T.A.A.
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I’ve long been of the opinion that entertainment (be it films, books, etc) that win huge awards like Oscars and Hugos and the like usually turn out to be long, boring slogs that are meant to make one feel terrible about oneself. That or they’re long boring slogs that just don’t make any sense. Personally, I could care less if a book wins an award or calls attention to a particular cause. I’m just after something good to read. Thank you, Mr. Correia for actually voicing something I’m sure many people have felt for a long time. That being said,… Read more »
Calvin Gordon Dodge
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My wife insisted on us viewing “No Country For Old Men” because it had won an Oscar. She repented after we had finished it.

cargosquid
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Get ready for an Instalanche.

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/187369/

Rob
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I wish Heinlein were here to give them hell.

Expendable Henchman
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Heinlein has millions of children, and we’re giving them all kinds of hell.

DaveP.
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Yup.
I’d bet, based on a SWAG and nothing else, that if you did a Venn diagram of “people who loved RAH’s juveniles” and “people who comment on Larry’s blog”, you’d hit an awful lot of overlap.

Rat SEAL
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SJW will auto exclude you if you state that liked RAH juveniles. It is an instant reveal of a patriarchal, priviledged white cismale.

I was careful to give all my sons access to Red Planet, Starman Jones, Podkayne of Mars (they liked the little brother) etc. when they hit 8-9 yo.

Expendable Henchman
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Never thirst, bros.

DaveP.
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Walk the Glory Road, brother.

Ralph L. Angelo Jr.
Guest

Good for you man. Congrats on speaking up and against the usual liberal hordes who claim fairness, tolerance and equality and all those other feel good liberal words that don’t apply to anyone who disagrees with their crap. You’re already a winner in my book.

Jeff Gauch
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Yeah, WoT is going to curbstomp everybody. It will not be over quickly, and we won’t enjoy it.

But next year. The SJW have shown their true colors, Larry will have a title from his flagship series up (I am assuming that MHN will be eligible, correct?), and there are people like me who didn’t participate this year and have realized how much fun we’re missing out on. If I were you I’d have space for a rocketship cleared on the mantle.

Nathan
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Maybe we can get John C. Wright a Hugo nod. Judge of Ages is certainly worth it. 2014 so far is starting out as a better year for SF/F than last year.

Expendable Henchman
Guest

I’m enjoying the hell out of this kerfluffle. The Hugos have long since gone down the toilet due to political correctness. I think it’s great that the rats are coming out of the woodwork and are showing what they’re really made of.

I’m certain the publicity isn’t hurting Larry’s sales in the slightest.

Vancomycin
Guest

I hadn’t really heard much about all this, and hadn’t read any of Larry’s books. Both of those are now changing, as I’ve purchased and started reading Hard Magic (not too far into it yet, but it’s good so far).

Jeff Gauch
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Yeah, but in the aftermath of a WoT win we’re going to hear the snowflake brigade crow about how their staunch resistance was instrumental in keeping our favorite cisgendernormative fascist out.

But it will make next year all the sweeter.

Expendable Henchman
Guest

The aftermath of the WoT win is also going to be a chance for a major rule revision. It will start with “WoT really shouldn’t have been competing” which I agree with.

The revision will continue with “We need some common sense limits o̶n̶ ̶g̶u̶n̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶m̶a̶g̶a̶z̶i̶n̶e̶s̶ on nominations that game or abuse the system. We promise never to abuse this new oversight. Really. Pinky swear.”

“We have to have it to make sure that L̶a̶r̶r̶y̶ ̶C̶o̶r̶r̶e̶i̶a̶,̶ ̶V̶o̶x̶ ̶D̶a̶y̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶w̶h̶i̶t̶e̶ ̶m̶a̶l̶e̶s̶ another series of books doesn’t get in.”

kastandlee
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While I think it likely that there will be some attempt to modify the rules to say that super-long book series cannot be considered a single serialized work, any attempt to restrict the awards _by content_ is extremely unlikely to succeed. And how would you word it? I’m dead serious about this. Here’s something the infuriates me at both people like you and people on the far left: you _both_ appear to think that the other side is going to seize control of everything and impose draconian controls that effectively say, “Only things that I personally approve up will be… Read more »
SBP
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“They aren’t going to pass rules prohibiting your friends from being on the ballot, and you’re not going to pass rules prohibiting them from being on the ballot.” Sorry, Kevin. The equivalence argument isn’t going to fly here. There’s only one side arguing for the suppression of crimethink fiction. Hint: it’s not the people here. Were there people arguing to remove China Miéville from the ballot, even though he’s a hardcore Marxist? Not just a dilettante college Marxist with a Che tee shirt, mind you, but someone who has an advanced degree in Marxist economics and who has been a… Read more »
kastandlee
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Would you be behind an initiative to prohibit political litmus tests from ever being a factor in Hugo eligibility. No I would not. I would oppose such attempts as strongly as I would oppose any attempts to impose such tests. Here are two reasons why: 1. Philosophical: Attempting to prohibit it presumes that such oppression exists. It does not, except in Oppression Fantasies. 2. Practical: How in the world could you enforce it? You really do not want a Hugo Award administrator enforcing such things. People claim to want a Strong Administrator, but what they really want is a Strong… Read more »
SBP
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“It does not, except in Oppression Fantasies.”

So a major editor admitting that she uses politics when evaluating stories is just a fantasy?

It’s a fantasy that virtually all of the evil right-wingers publish with Baen (who also, as several have pointed out, are perfectly willing to publish left-wingers if they can tell a good story) and almost none are published by Tor?

Someone’s living in a fantasy here, but it’s not me. Me, I’m just going by what these people have said. Publicly.

kastandlee
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Nuts. Oppression fantasies — in which both people here and people on the other end of the ideological spectrum are engaging — are claims that the rules of WSFS are going to be modified to legislate the content of their preferred authors out of eligibility.

Editors saying how they evaluate works is individuals engaging their own freedom of action. It has nothing to do with how WSFS rules work,

SBP
Guest

“Philosophical: Attempting to prohibit it presumes that such oppression exists.”

Addendum: by that reasoning the Bill of Rights should never have been ratified, since it was a presumption that such oppression might exist.

SBP
Guest
“Oppression fantasies — in which both people here and people on the other end of the ideological spectrum are engaging ” As noted before (but not addressed by you) only one side is actively calling for the suppression of a nominated work. That’s not a “fantasy”. It’s a fact. You are invited to provide evidence of anyone here calling for a nominated work to be removed from the ballot, now or ever. I’ll wait. “Editors saying how they evaluate works is individuals engaging their own freedom of action. ” So, sorta like lunch counters deciding that they don’t want to… Read more »
kastandlee
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You are invited to provide evidence of anyone here calling for a nominated work to be removed from the ballot I have yet to see anyone here do so. I have also yet to see anyone anywhere else calling for a nominated work on the 2014 or 1939 Hugo Awards ballots to be removed from the ballot by the Hugo Awards Administrator. If I see anyone doing so, I’ll criticize it as well. Viciously attacking the merits of a nominee or of its author isn’t the same thing. I consider it distateful and rude, but then again, I consider the… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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I don’t see why Tor’s editors should be forced to publish works with whose authors’ attitudes they disagree any more than Baen’s should be.

Who said anything about “forced to”? They’re allowed to make their choices. And we’re allowed to look at those choices and make our own interpretation of what those choices say about the choosers.

kastandlee
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Who said anything about “forced to”? They’re allowed to make their choices. And we’re allowed to look at those choices and make our own interpretation of what those choices say about the choosers.

Of course you do. As they do about you.

thewriterinblack
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As they do about you. And since “we”, pretty much without exception, have been saying “read the works in question and let the work stand or fail on its own merits rather than on what one personally thinks of the author” while the ranting on the other side has been all about the politics and character of the authors, the difference is pretty telling. Of course, they lie about it. They attribute to “us” goals of censorship and elimination of differing views. All you have to do is see their own words quoted in this discussion (and, please, go check… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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As for restricting Hugo nominations based on political biases, well, there was a time when the idea of expelling a writer from SFWA based on that author’s politics would also have been unthinkable.

But the same people using the same tactics being brought to bear here made that happen. Thus your assurances of “it can’t happen here” ring just a tad hollow.

kastandlee
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SFWA is not WSFS. (A distinction that many people seem to be utterly incapable of making, particularly those who mistakenly thinking that WSFS is dominated by SF/F writers, which it most certainly is not.) Nor is WSFS perfect, nor are individual Worldcon committees. Worldcon have banned people, starting with the very first Worldcon. Some very notable controversies have stemmed from individual Worldcon committees to refuse admittance to individuals. (Search “Breendoggle” if you really want to know one of the most notorious cases.) But WSFS has strongly resisted all attempts by individuals with axes to grind to try and do things… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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SFWA is not WSFS. Nobody said it was. But you seem to be making the claim that it is somehow immune to the same kind of influence that drove SFWA to knuckle under to the Shrill Special Snowflakes. I simply find your assurances unconvincing, particularly when you attempt to play the moral equivalence game. You’re here, arguing with us. I’m sure, given your stance on allowing us our free speech, you are also arguing with the Special Snowflakes elsewhere, right? Your arguing with them how important free speech is and how for something like the Hugos the work should be… Read more »
kastandlee
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No, I’m telling them to put away their Oppression Fantasies as well, and that there is no voter fraud and that attempts to change rules to make their favorites ineligible aren’t likely to have legs, and so forth. You claim you read all works equally without the slightest concern over the politics of the individuals involved. I don’t believe you. When people here crow about how voting for X will make other people’s heads explode, y’all lose any credibility with claims of impartiality. But bear in mind that any claim by anyone that the Hugo Awards (or any literary award)… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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No, I’m telling them to put away their Oppression Fantasies as well,

Link?

Seriously, I want to see the reaction that you got from that.

kastandlee
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It wasn’t as necessary to be so blunt, because they were more likely to believe me when I explained how things actually work, and that no, there’s no pattern of voter fraud and that no, the Administrators are not Out to Get You. Also, unlike you, many of them have been participating in the process for years now and therefore know how it works, instead of assuming that there are Evil People In Charge. I’m annoyed at almost everyone right now, because any accusations of institutional corruption hurt Worldcon and The Hugo Awards no matter who makes them, and I’m… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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It wasn’t as necessary to be so blunt,

That’s what I thought.

thewriterinblack
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You claim you read all works equally without the slightest concern over the politics of the individuals involved. I guess you also don’t believe that I use avowed Trotskyite Eric Flint’s “1632” series as bedtime reading for my daughter, hmm? Or that I haven’t endorsed far left writer Mercedes Lackey’s writing? Or that I had as one of my “writing mentors” the late Marion Zimmer Bradley who was just a tad to the left of the political spectrum? And one of my favorites cannot possibly be The Stainless Steel Rat series by the late Harry Harrison (another pretty far left… Read more »
kastandlee
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Are you sure you’re not engaging in projection? *shrug* I might be. I don’t claim to be objective. I’m a partisan for the Hugo Awards, and for the neutrality of the process, for which I’ve been working and putting my money where my mouth is for more than twenty years. I believe neutrality of process, whereby the administrator counts votes without letting his/her personal feelings about the administrators bias the results, is possible. Claiming that it’s somehow possible to force every participant in the process to have some mythical standard of objectivity is IMO absurd. How can there possibly be… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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Claiming that it’s somehow possible to force every participant in the process to have some mythical standard of objectivity is IMO absurd. Good market for scarecrows where you live? I mean, if you’re going to build straw men, you might as well get paid for it. Go back and read the kind of vile vitriol being spewed in the direction of Larry and others (but you didn’t need to be so blunt in those cases–and I still haven’t seen a link of you even being not-blunt). Some mythical standard of objectivity may not be achievable but how about not engaging… Read more »
kastandlee
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I don’t keep track of everything and everywhere I post, but if you want to see one of the places I responded to insinuations of fraud, you can search for my name here: http://radishreviews.com/2014/04/19/obligatory-hugo-nomination-reaction-post/

I also have posted several times to http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/015838.html

Unlike most people here, I’m not anonymous or anyone’s sock puppet; you can search for my name, “Kevin Standlee” within those pages to see every post I made.

Eamon J. Cole
Guest

I can understand the disgust, but maybe that thing needs to be resurrected from the bin and put up anyway.

There’s a reason people feel like they’re getting kicked in the teeth every day. Aggregating the insanity on a topic as relatively innocuous as the Hugos might shine some light.

There’s honest folks out there on both sides that don’t run in the right circles to see some of this vitriol. Perhaps they need a chance for one-stop-all-day-hate shopping to understand?

thewriterinblack
Guest

Or how about not smugly passing judgement on works one has not even read and calling for others to do the same?

Larry, and others, have said to read the works and judge the works. It’s not “us” who call for shunning works we haven’t even read.

Tom Kratman
Guest

“I guess you also don’t believe that I use avowed Trotskyite Eric Flint’s “1632″ series as bedtime reading for my daughter, hmm?”

Why not? A Trot he may be, but Eric’s love of America oozes from nearly every page. The pages where it doesn’t ooze? That’s because it gushes.

thewriterinblack
Guest

Why not? A Trot he may be, but Eric’s love of America oozes from nearly every page. The pages where it doesn’t ooze? That’s because it gushes.

In the end, though, he writes a damn good story. I could just have easily used Mother of Demons or the Belisarius season (although I don’t know how much was Mr. Flint and how much Mr. Drake) or Heirs of Alexandria (ditto about how much was his) or the Pyramid books (likewise). I just didn’t happen to be using any of those as bedtime reading for my daughter.

SBP
Guest
“You’re trying to equate these things with official government oppression.” Got it. Corner lunch counters are “the government”, but major publishers aren’t. Not serving you lunch is oppression. Destroying or limiting your ability to make a living isn’t. Whatever, dude. I realize that a lot of these people are your friends, so you (understandably) want to defend them. At some point, though, you’re going to have to make a decision about what’s right. I will point out here that Ernesto Miranda and Clarence Gideon weren’t exactly nice guys either. “Look here: the US first amendment means the government can’t legally… Read more »
SBP
Guest

Also: “I’m offended” is not an answer to the question. Let’s drop race and switch to something that’s a matter of choice.

1) John Q. Redneck decides that he doesn’t want to serve Muslims (or Jews, or Wiccans, or Roman Catholics) at his lunch counter.
2) Teresa Nielsen Hayden decides that she doesn’t want to read or buy stories from anyone to the right of “Iron Feliks” Dzerzhinsky.

What’s the difference? Be specific.

SBP
Guest

(insert sound effect of crickets chirping)

While Kevin is busy ignoring the previous two hypotheticals, let me add a third:

3) Louis B. Mayer decides that he doesn’t want to hire communists.

Wes S.
Guest

It sure seems to me that there’s a lot of overlap between the critics that slam the Wheel of Time nomination because of WoT’s “popularity” (which they always seem to describe in terms of WoT being too “bourgeois” for their tastes), and the critics that slam Correia’s Sad Puppies slate because it’s right-wing/racist/sexist/cismale blah blah blah.

Myself, being a fan of both Correia and WoT, I figure that no matter who loses, I win. And hippie tears are *so* delicious, no matter what the cause.

kastandlee
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Yes, but the strongest complaints I’ve heard from the people most likely to be able to craft coherent proposals have focused on what they consider a fundamental unfairness with having a super-length work like a 15-volume fantasy series being treated as one long serialized work. Some of them also objected some years ago to how a single season of Game of Thrones was nominated as a single work. Both of these things are technical arguments, and despite them being new to you, they’ve been going on for years and aren’t particularly new.

SBP
Guest

You’re equating technical objections with calls for political orthodoxy?

As Mr. Winnfield would say, those aren’t in the same ballpark, league, or even sport.

Patrick Chester
Guest

There have been allegations of fraud, vote buying, log rolling, and making up fake accounts.

Say it isn’t so, Larry. Log rolling?! You fiend! ;-D

Achillea
Guest

Well, the SJWs /have/ been circling the bowl, IYKWIMAITTYD.

David Jones
Guest

On the plus side, now I’m going to start buying your books.

KAries
Guest
Loved this post. And I agree, WoT is likely to win, which makes me sad because I seriously haven’t been able to get more than 100 pages into it without falling asleep. My husband’s reading the whole thing again and it’s the one book guaranteed to put me to sleep. MHI, on the other hand, got me through a very long day at the mechanic. I’m working on the rest but I’m a slow reader (not really, I have 3 jobs, I do a little happy dance when my car has to go to the shop) so I haven’t gotten… Read more »
richard40
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I I started out with the World of Time series enthusiastically, and kept at it for about 10 books, and then gave up. I finally realized that in all 10 books: 1. No real progress at all had been made toward any solution of the initial problems. Plenty of activity, but zero real progress in the story. 2. None of the bad guys had been really killed, once previously killed Forsaken began magically arising from the dead. So what was the point in cheering in previous books when they knock off a bad guy, if they magically come back later.… Read more »
Bradoplata (@bradoplata)
Guest

Came here from the Instapundit link. Bought The Monster Hunters. Keep fighting the good fight.

Able
Guest
(Late to the party as usual) Kudos to Mr. Correia (yet again) for speaking ‘openly’, for that is the real ‘crime’ they all despise. It’s not the disagreeing they are vilifying (although they do that anyway), it’s disturbing the ‘narrative’ that all ‘right thinking’ (and therefore ‘good’) SF authors are rampantly lefty polemicists. Shame on you Sir! 😉 I’m (UK – X Sqdn) military and took the entire MHI series with me on my last deployment to the Stan (big fan). I made the mistake of loaning them out. They apparently did the rounds. Do you have any idea how… Read more »
CombatMissionary
Guest

To get the Abominations, I think you’ll need to contact Nicholas Cage. 😉

Patrick Chester
Guest

I’m reading my Baen eBooks copy of Hard Magic and realize something:

I want to see this as a movie or similar. Animated or live action. Especially anytime Faye starts teleporting all over the place and kicking butt.

CombatMissionary
Guest

Larry, when you start getting movie deals, be sure to get a deal to make a Lego Monster Hunters game so that my kids will force me to send you more bags of filthy, filthy cash.

Fail Burton
Guest

SFF author and Nebula nominee Kate Elliott: “Just read another call from a white man about the need for ‘nuance’ rather than shrill ranting.”

Reply from SFF fan and blogger Jenny Thurman: “as if they’d know ‘nuance’ if they tripped on it”

Kate Elliott: “nuance is when we are complaining about what they don’t want us to complain about.”

Here’s the post by SFF author Richard K. Morgan they’re talking about:

http://www.richardkmorgan.com/news/1114/new-aunts-and-catching-up-in-westeros/#comments

Charles Fuller
Guest

I’ve been in organized fandom since I joined the LASFS in’78.
I’ve seen regulars who are as militantly intolerant as those described.
But I’ve also seen a club that ran conservative to libertarian and was quite militantly tolerant on issues of race and gender identity.
But then perhaps it’s just because everything in California is weird.

Dan Southwick
Guest
Personally I don’t give a sh!t about an author’s political views. All I care about is the story. I will say this though, it does seem that the story is better if our political views are similar. That is why I think John Ringo’s books are among the finest I have ever owned and read. I have 1 bookshelf in the living room where I keep my most valuable and favorite books. On those scant shelves are some 300 year old James Fenimore Cooper and a set of ‘pocketbooks’ from the 1800s and every book written by Ringo. I reread… Read more »
Brian
Guest

Funnily enough, I had never heard of you until I saw people screaming about how evil you were. Then I went and bought Monster Hunter International and LOVED it… so, um… thanks outraged crowd. You found me a new author. 🙂

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emdfl
Guest

F***’em all, Larry: I just found my signed copy of your self-published version of MHI. LIFE is GOOD; and – distantly – I hear the lamentations of the wymyn…

Expendable Henchman
Guest

I bid $50.

DaveP.
Guest

Frame that mutha.

LarryP
Guest

The decontamination bill for cleaning up all the exploded lefty heads must be astronomical.

Expendable Henchman
Guest

Manure is great fertilizer.

Tim McDonald
Guest

Well Larry, I read your books and enjoy them. So you have succeeded in successfully competing for my beer money. As far as I am concerned, that puts you in pretty good company, i.e. entertaining authors.

As far as Hugo and Nebula Awards, I quit paying attention to those somewhere around 1980. Except that with very few exceptions, I don’t bother to even read the blurb (the exceptions being authors I know will provide a good read despite being a winner).

ed
Guest

I saw a link to this blog mzg over at instapundit. I may have seen glenn recommend an earlier book. After reading your comments i am motivated to read all your books and turn my three sons onto them. I guess thats one positive from the whole affair!

Luke A
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I’m torn on this subject. I think people were so burned by Orson Scott Card’s views that they will dog pile on anyone that looks similar (Mormon, right wing, outspoken). I would love if works of art could stand by themselves, but that will only work if all novel’s were written under pen names. The American Public has always been told to vote with their wallet. If you don’t agree with someone and it matters enough, don’t give them your money. Heck, I love tasty chicken as much as the next person, but I can’t go to Chick Fil A… Read more »
Ivan W.
Guest

Except that Orson Scott Card isn’t right wing. If it weren’t for the same-sex marriage thing – well, he likes gun control, affirmative action, environmental regulations, and he’s just shy of being a full blown socialist. Yet, because he’s against SSM, the SJWs must destroy him. Correria is Mormon and outspoken, so I guess 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.

Both OSC and LC are among my top 5 favorite authors.

Ivan
Guest

Except that Orson Scott Card isn’t right wing. If it weren’t for the same-sex marriage thing – well, he likes gun control, affirmative action, environmental regulations, and he’s just shy of being a full blown socialist. Yet, because he’s against SSM, the SJWs must destroy him. Correria is Mormon and outspoken, so I guess 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.

Both OSC and LC are among my top 5 favorite authors.

Synova
Guest
With all of this I’m realizing that I’ve never before thought of even paying attention to the process of the Hugos or participating. I don’t know what the categories are for or what the limitations are. What I wish I could have done, if I wasn’t so clueless, was nominate Wen Spencer’s Eight Million Gods… whenever that was eligible. Sure, you probably need to be an anime nerd to *get* it, but on a second read through I’m even more impressed with how tight she writes a plot and how engaging it is, and how she can write something that… Read more »
benning
Guest

Well said! 😀

talldave2
Guest
Whenever I read something like this, I always think of the line from HHGTTG about having a whelk’s chance in a supernova, because we just don’t care as much as they do. The people who want to be left alone are always at an organizational and motivational disadvantage. I’m seriously wondering how much longer the left will allow us to peacefully coexist with them. “We’re scared of you” is a short trip from “We need to shut you up, take away your guns, seize your property, lock you up. For our safety.” I don’t mind them having their no guns,… Read more »
William O. B'Livion
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I’m seriously wondering how much longer the left will allow us to peacefully coexist with them. “We’re scared of you” is a short trip from “We need to shut you up, take away your guns, seize your property, lock you up. For our safety.”

Yeah, that’s going to work out well for them.

talldave2
Guest

I see all these police forces being militarized, and I see a real possibility of something incremental like Japan did in the 1600s, where they licensed guns then stopped issuing licenses. You only have to lose a few elections for it to happen.

Book
Guest

**I’m seriously wondering how much longer the left will allow us to peacefully coexist with them. “We’re scared of you” is a short trip from “We need to shut you up, take away your guns, seize your property, lock you up. For our safety.”**

“Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to the dark side.”

And here I thought we were the ones with the cookies.

jnials
Guest

There’s one big difference. We can self-organize whenever we want to. We can also align our goals without having to become a hive-mind. Larry’s spelled out the numbers before. There are too many of us to take our guns if we don’t let them. Extend the principal to the rest of our rights….

GOOCH
Guest

Bully for you! I’m not a fan (yet), but I’m going to add Warbound to my 2014 list. Anyone who trumpets their vote (non-vote) for a literary award by telling everyone they didn’t read it is, um, doing it wrong.

Really sad to see Peter David in the mob. As a Trekkie, that stings.

D.GOOCH

Book
Guest

Agreed. I read David’s books in the 90’s when the Trek series were still on tv- thought they were pretty decent, actually. He’s a good writer.

BTW- if you’re going to read Warbound, you should know it’s the third in a series and you’ll want to start with the first book in the Grimnoir Chronicles: Hard Magic. It’s EXCELLENT.

I’m not exaggerating when I say that the Grimnoir chronicles is my favorite series in years. It’s really good. You’ll love it.

Waste93
Guest

I really liked Terms of Enlistment by Kloos. Especially the non-standard alien nemesis. It seems most SF aliens are either human, feline, or lizard. It’s nice to see something significantly different and seeing it done well.

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Anne
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I like your books. You’re a good writer. But you write combat science fiction, and combat sci-fi tends to be conservative. You, as a writer, echo that: your writing style is conservative. By this I mean you write descriptive books about straightforward events. You don’t often write about ideas, and the ideas you do write about are pragmatic, not exploratory. You characterize with great skill; but your characters are also conservative. This echoes what I’ve seen in the military – people who go to war rarely break the mold, because it works. It functions, and in combat, functionality is generally… Read more »
Andrew
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I think you’re missing some of the undertones of Mr. Correia’s writing. It’s actually aimed, and fairly pointedly so, at the current cultural and political hierarchy. Almost all of his fiction positions the individual in opposition to authority as well as the foe of the book. Most of his fans understand that the primary foe and the authority are intertwined in their opposition to the individual, and his work is a challenge to the enabling effects of corrupt sociopolitical institutions. If anything, I think the books make an effective point that while we all accept the existence of wrong in… Read more »
SBP
Guest

” he takes risks and does different things with his concepts. ”

Sorry, Marxist dogma hasn’t been “different” or “risky” since 1848.

Except, of course, in the non-literary sense of “likely to get you murdered if those people ever get in power”.

rek
Guest
Have you read any of the Grimnoir books, or just the MHI books? I have been voting in the Hugos since 2011. I enjoyed books like Red Shirts and Capt. Vorpatil / Cryoburn, but there isn’t really anything new there. The idea books, like 2312, Embassytown, Dervish House… they had some clever ideas, but they were really not that entertaining (or simply too long by half), and with narcissistic characters that I couldn’t care less about. I was reading through 2312 with the excruciating knowledge that I had Warbound already purchased and downloaded, waiting for me when I was done… Read more »
Rhiain
Guest
How are any of the books in The Grimnoir Chronicles not “uncomfortable,” “embarrassing” or “honest”? How do they not deal with the overall narrative of the trilogy in a “difficult” or “unsafe” way? Or the books in the Monster Hunter series, which may contain a lot of combat scenes but also deal with social issues that we all have to face at some point in our lives (e.g. family ideals, teamwork, supernatural vs. physical warfare, MONSTERS both literal and figurative)? Your pigeonholing of the type of fiction that Larry writes is unconvincing, more so because you shovel it into this… Read more »
Andrew
Guest
I just think she’s missed the point. The Grimnoir Society, Exodus, and MHI are all free associations of individuals in opposition to fundamental wrongs in the world. They are all opposed by the dominant social system and authorities, and those authorities are, at best, entangled with, and at worst cooperative to, those wrongs. Larry writes about the self selected individual, persecuted by those covetous of and greed for power over the lives of others. It’s likely that her own viewpoint allies her with the authoritarian outlook, and prevents her from seeing the arguments being proposed. Books like MHI might be… Read more »
junior
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mekadave5 – Don’t forget to add that lefty hero Earl Warren was a big supporter of the internment camps as well. He was Governor of California at the time, and apparently thought they were a great idea.

SBP
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Really want some see some ‘splody heads? Point out what party the President behind the Trail of Tears belonged to, which party the KKK largely supported, and which party the only Klan official who was elected to Congress belonged to. He wasn’t some outlier/marginal dude, either. He was the longest-serving U.S. Senator in history, and was being named to important positions (e.g., Majority Leader, chair of important committees) by the other Dems well into the 21st Century.

Tom
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So, you would vote for a book you can’t stand over a book you actually liked because of some misguided idea that an enjoyable read should be second to “ideas”? Every book has ideas. Ever. Single. One. They’re all based on the author’s worldview and how they see things unfolding. Larry’s are no exception. His ideas simply aren’t the most popular ones with certain segments. Every single book of his I’ve read, and there’s not a full length novel out there by him I haven’t read, have some element of the power of individuality. That is an idea. It may… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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You know what? If writing crap is what you would vote for over stuff you genuinely enjoyed, may I never receive a vote from you for anything in the course of my life.

Me too.

And I’m OK with that.

Tom
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I suspect that’s true of a lot of us.

Andrew
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You act like people should enjoy reading. If you keep on this way no one will ever make your book one of the mandatory educational requirements that children are required to read. They’ll just go read the book if they want to and no one will be there to tell them what it really means. People will just have to make up their own mind, and what good would that be.

Tom
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Yeah, I know. Probably a poor business decision. I mean, if people actually want to read my book, I might make some money. Who knows, I might actually make enough to live well off of. Everyone knows that’s a problem.

However, if I wrote stuff that would be required reading, I might make enough to survive, and that’s the correct way to live according to the Lefty Powers That Be.

Synova
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Anne, In my experience “liberal” writing is neither challenging nor “unsafe” nor particularly about ideas… at least not interesting ones. Half the SFdom brouhaha, in fact, has been all about the demand that no one ever ever have to read anything or meet any person that might possibly write something that makes them feel “unsafe” either by refusing to include a bucket list of required inclusions without which any reader might feel that they aren’t allowed into the future or, heaven forbid, possibly writing something that really is mean or challenging or suggesting something that “right thinking people” are against… Read more »
William O. B'Livion
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Liberal writers take risks. They don’t stick to a set formula.

As usual you’ve confused “Liberal” with “Progressive”, and you’ve got two OTHER mistakes in two sentences.

Tom Kratman
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So, Anne, presuming it’s well written, you would be up for a military sci fi work set on a planet which aliens set up as a preserve to protect earth’s animals from the ravages of sentient life? You would be up for a sci fi story that breaks the common sci fi meme of monocultuaral planets? You would be up for a book with a series of revolutionaries in the mold of Lenin, Mao, and Ho, otherthrowing corrupt oligarchies and establishing at least a limited socialist worker’s paradise that works? You would be up for a new kind of government?… Read more »
Tom
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Oh, may I? Because it’s hysterical! 😀

Tom Kratman
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Oh, all right. 😉

Tom
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Well, Anne, first let’s keep in mind that Lt. Col. Kratman may well make more liberal heads explode than Larry, Vox, John Ringo, Michael Z. Williamson, and George Bush rolled into one.

Yet, what he outlined sounds like a liberal utopia. It’s got all those “unsafe” ideas and stuff that you think should win.

Of course, he also happened to have written that.

But hey, military science fiction’s not about ideas or anything.

Tom Kratman
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“The essence of being conservative is not taking risks.”

By the way, Anne, I’ve just got to ask; where will the conservative safe room be at Worldcon? You know, the one where we’ll never be exposed to any of those evilwickedbadnaughtybadbadbad liberal thoughts, and where we can run when confronted by all those icky non-white people? And where we’ll be safe from fat jokes and such?

Because, ya know, liberals aren’t afraid of taking risks.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Ha.

MadRocketSci
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1. I’m more libertarian than conservative. Not take risks? Stick to a set formula? Tradition? Ha! You don’t understand us at *all*.

2. Isn’t it amazing how quick leftists are to try to put other people in a box? Most often an unflattering box sitting on a lower rung of whatever stupid great-chain-of-being they are ginning up than they fancy themselves as occupying. Of course only *we* have a monopoly on truly innovative imagination! Only we can be truly creative! (gagg)

MadRocketSci
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PS – Mr. Correia, good luck and congratulations. Even leaving aside your kickass novels, I’m greatful for the push-back against the ubiquitous condescention and the thought police. I loved Grimnoir – of all the fantasyish things I’ve read over the past few years, it was *wonderfully* creative and new. And awesome. It took a fascinating time in history (very very interesting to me in other respects because of the science and physics and technology that was undergoing a hard takeoff at that time), it vacuumed up some of the most fascinating people and events in history (you aren’t joking about… Read more »
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Firehand
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Way up there, Laura Curtis said “I laid off of SF/F for a long time because if I wanted a political lecture, I could watch MSNBC or any broadcast news show.” Bingo. How many ‘comedies’ have sunk because they stopped being funny because they turned into half-hour “You must believe this way! Otherwise you’re a hater!” lectures? And then, when the show is cancelled, they bitch and whine that it was because ‘people can’t handle homosexuals/blacks/(fill in all the other choices). They just can’t seem to understand that people coming home after a hard day DON’T WANT TO BE LECTURED… Read more »
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[…] latest in the Larry Correia versus WorldCon saga. He makes an excellent point about enjoyable reading. I read The Hundred Thousand Kingdom which is […]

Jono
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Never read one of your books, but I just bought the first in your Warbound trilogy from Amazon to check it out. I’m sure you’ll regard that response more warmly than any kind words I could say.

Jeff
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Congratulations on your nomination. I have to post this because after reading the reactions of Best Fan Writers, I’m disgusted with that category. The Best Fan Writer is supposed to be for someone who brings the fan community together, but clearly these women are not interested in doing that. They seem to feel that the Hugos are for their clique only. I’m afraid I will have to vote them beneath No Vote.

The_Detective
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What I’d like to see now, a post with the best/worst tweets, and blog comments.

By best I mean most hateful, by worst I mean the type of idiotic unintelligible replies I quoted in my book There is No Update for Stupidity.

The more idiotic the posts the funnier they are, the hateful threatening ones are a joy to read too.

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[…] of the left, who were waiting to pounce using their issue of “racism.” It is how they shut down all conversations with conservatives: by somehow linking the discussion to racism, which is so evil it’s beyond […]

kastandlee
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Thank you for your statement that you saw no sign of the voter fraud that seems to accompany every set of Hugo Awards results. In case you care, I have said the same thing to the “left” people as to the “right” on this — the failure of your favored works to make the ballot, or of disfavored-by-you works to get on the ballot despite your dislike of them or their authors, is not a sign of a failure of process or of fraud. I’m neither “left” nor “right” about this. The people who actually administer the Hugo Awards from… Read more »
Expendable Henchman
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Keep watching. The night is young, and I don’t recall any parallel of this unbridled hate in the past.

Also, I’m willing to bet one hundred dollars that if WoT wins, there are going to be a lot of pushes for major rule revisions, with the obvious intent of preventing the ‘wrong’ authors from getting nominated next year.

Any takers?

mekadave5
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No way am I taking that bet. Nope, nope, nope, nope…..

kastandlee
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You or any other two members of WSFS can _propose_ anything you want. If you think any such stupid proposals trying to regulate _content_ rather than form will both pass the current year’s Business Meeting and be ratified by the following year’s meeting, you’re engaging in an Oppression Fantasy and don’t have the foggiest idea of how the WSFS governance system works in practice. I’m dead serious about this.

kastandlee
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However, having said the above, I make a real distinction between the _Wheel of Time_ issue (super-long series) and about the content of specific author’s works. The former is a technical issue and almost certainly _will_ be debated. There are ideas being tossed around such as requiring that serial works not spanning more than two calendar years (the previous year and the year before that), which to be honest was probably why the serialized-work provision was in the WSFS Constitution to begin with. Do not conflate people saying that they think it’s wrong that a half-million-word novel series was nominated… Read more »
Synova
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I think it would be a mistake to change rules in response to Wheel of Time. I mean… how many other Wheel of Times are there out there that have to be guarded against? Game of Thrones? That assumes he ever finishes it.

It would be a case of the barn door and the horse.

rek
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For some reason, I’m not able to reply to the specific comments…. @synova This isn’t likely to happen again at this scale. Game of Thrones wouldn’t be eligible as a series because Dance with Dragons and other parts have already been nominated. It is a fluke (or a testament, depending on your opinion) that none of the 14 works in this particular series were ever nominated. @kastandlee I deeply respect what you are saying and that you have come here to say it. Expendable Henchman may not have been conflating the people, but predicting that the issues themselves will be… Read more »
Fatty
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“(…) the failure of your favored works to make the ballot, or of disfavored-by-you works to get on the ballot despite your dislike of them or their authors, is not a sign of a failure of process or of fraud.”

This seems like a very good note to end this discussion on.

Alan
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Flak? Over target. Check!

talldave2
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Just wanted to add, I’d heard of you but never read anything by you, picked up Hard Magic on Kindle today. Looks fun, I seem to end up just endlessly cycling between Zelazny, Glen Cook, and Neal Stephenson stuff I’ve already read twice, so hopefully I have something new to read.

talldave2
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Really enjoying Hard Magic, I am 79% of the way through. Glad I picked it up.

D Palmer
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I haven’t read Warbound yet, but I have read the prior two and also the entire WOT series. I am a Brandon Sanderson fan, but the last book in WOT just wasn’t very good. It was seriously anticlimactic. Most likely this was due to neding to incorporate the ending that Robert Jordan left behind. Also, the whole series jumped about quite a bit and vast swaths of story line could have been eliminated with no negative impact. Plus it just plain pissed me off that Jordan took time to write a preqel before he finished the main series. Assuming Warbound… Read more »
Fail Burton
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WisCon SF Convention organizer, panelist, and co-creator of its racially segregated “safer-space” and dinner K. Tempest Bradford: “Just… Fuck all you white dudes wagging your finger at the community on twitter. It’s not like most of you are helping. Sit your asses down” Same: “I am all done with white people today. All out of fucks to give.” * WisCon SF Convention organizer, panelist, and co-creator of its racially segregated “safer-space” and dinner Jaymee Goh writing about a film project: “There’re way too many white people” but “a really good range of actual non-white folks.” Same: “The truth about which… Read more »
CombatMissionary
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Hope you’ve got your flak vest on, because you’re about to take incoming, I bet. “How DARE you suggest that people demanding respect should be willing to give it!”

Pellegri
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Kate, honey. You’re white. You’ve just disqualified yourself of being able to say everything you’ve ever said on your Twitter. Yes, even against other white people.

You did it. Gold star. A for effort.

Fail Burton
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WisCon SF Convention organizer and panelist Jaymee Goh referring to racially segregated room and dinner at WisCon she co-manages: “Come join us for delish Nepalese fudz and non-white company!” Then president of the SFWA and Hugo and Nebula Award-winning author John Scalzi: “If you followed who I blocked, you’d see a lot of spam and ranting from scared white men.” SFWA member and Nebula nominee Kate Elliott: “White male privilege doesn’t need to describe the world that caters to it”  Retweeted by WisCon SF Convention organizer, panelist, and co-manager of WisCon’s racially segregated “safer-space” and dinner K. Tempest Bradford: “white… Read more »
Patricksp71
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I saw this on twitter talking about the Hugo awards
“@colorlessblue: @katsudonburi @eilatan …the right to not be discriminated against trumps the right to free speech.”

I just don’t understand this thinking, maybe because I don’t trust who is to judge what is the “RIGHT” speech. I have also read where they would like to use the laws of in the UK on Hate Speech with the awards and Authors

Tom
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All they’re really doing is simply trying to set up their own kind of discrimination. I suspect that if we were to set up a dummy Twitter account and send all these people tweets that laws should be passed to actively discriminate against white people, particularly white straight men, and watch how they agree. I hate to break it to those people, but is was the right to free speech that broke segregation. It was the right to free speech that ultimately lead to the end of slavery. It was the right to free speech which won the right to… Read more »
Fail Burton
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“… the worldwide dominance of English as spoken in the US or in the UK, the vast reach of Hollywood movies and US/UK books like Twilight, Harry Potter or Fifty Shades of Grey, is another instance of cultural imperialism, recalling times when children were sent to English, American or French schools and made to feel ashamed of their own ancestors’ achievements.” – multiple award-winning SFF author Aliette de Bodard “the dominant (Western) culture… was utterly unaware that there was even such a notion as cultural differences” – Aliette de Bodard, unaware of the 127 year history of the American National… Read more »
Fail Burton
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SFWA member Delilah Dawson: “Growing up in the South, I assume that most white people I meet, especially the Conservative-Christian-Republican types who people my family reunions, are racists.”  Stacy Whitman, editorial director of young adult SFF publisher: “White writers have started to examine their privilege…” Post titled “When Will White People Stop Making Movies Like ‘Avatar’?” at the SF webzine io9 which was named to the Top 30 science blogs by The Times, written by Knight Science Journalism Fellowship and research fellow at Massachusetts Institute of Technology Annalee Newitz: “…whites need to rethink their fantasies about race.” Hugo and Nebula… Read more »
Tom
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Hugo-winning editor, SFF author, Tiptree Award Honor List, Analog Readers Poll Winner Ekaterina Sedia: “I think it’s the law of the internet that we can determine how racist something is by how many white people show up to defend it.” The typical trap of the left. If you defend it, it’s proof you’re a racist. If you don’t defend it, it’s proof that the thing is racist, and you are by extension. Can’t they get that most of us just don’t give a damn what your skin tone is? We applaud competence and excellence, and deride the inept. We don’t… Read more »
Fail Burton
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The the fake feminist PC in SFF are experts at Orwellian statements that sink into a black hole of logic. I done with the quotes… for now. You get the idea. To me, it is little short of incredible that “artists” could write such things. And make no mistake: this thing about “white people” is accepted orthodoxy at the SFWA and Hugos.

Here’s SFWA president Stephen Gould yesterday:

“Ink-Stained Wretch ‏@StevenGould 21h

“’Should white people write about people of color?’ http://www.malindalo.com/2014/04/should-white-people-write-about-people-of-color/ … by Melinda Lo. Yes, it’s complicated.”

Tom
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Of course, but judging by the last name, I’m going to doubt she’s a white person. However, to play by the left’s rules, we’re not allowed to tell non-white people what they should write about, yet it’s fine for them to tell me what *I* should write.

Part of me wants to rewrite the cast of the novel I’m working on to remove the Nigerian female pilot or the Asian mechanic and make them all white guys.

Too bad I’m just too lazy to do it.

dgarsys
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@Tom:
The typical trap of the left. If you defend it, it’s proof you’re a racist. If you don’t defend it, it’s proof that the thing is racist, and you are by extension.
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Best admiral Ackbar voice:

"It's a (kafka)Trap!!!!

Tom
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#facepalm

You just HAD to go there, didn’t you?

dgarsys
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Yes, I did. Low hanging fruit and all that.

Or, to put it differently:

“I had the shot. There was no danger, so I took it.”

🙂

Tom
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“You took it! And broke a major rule of engagement!”

Love that movie!

dgarsys
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Sortof do too – but I had been afflicted by it as a customer service rep at Circuit City so I easily OD.

(imagine every tv in the store running top gun over and over again for hours on end……, day after day, working 30 hours a week….)

Tom
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“Negative Ghost Rider. The pattern is full.”

Fail Burton
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And against that torrent of filth from INSIDE SFF’s institutions the PC have who… Vox Day? If I accept that, that’s one person. Who else… Larry Correia and Sarah Hoyt? I will not accept that – show me the quotes. And who else: Orson Scott Card and Brandon Sanderson who oppose gay marriage on the same religious grounds the Muslims the WisCon SF convention defended by throwing Elizabeth Moon under a bus? Dave Truesdale? Show me the quotes. This is not a question of bigotry being only on one side, but the proportion of it. In my opinion, when it… Read more »
Tom
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And don’t forget how they stack the deck. Like I said earlier, if you argue against being called a racist, it’s proof you’re a racist. If you fail to argue against it, it’s proof you’re a racist. They tell white men to sit down and shut up when we try to be part of the conversation, and then complain about how racist we are because we won’t be part of the conversation. They tell cisgendered heterosexuals that they want to end the default, but rather than listen to other people who talk about how the approach was wrong, we get… Read more »
richard40
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So the fascist leftists have now taken over sci fi fandom as well. I wonder what brilliant past libertarian authors like Heinlien, Pournell, and Orson Scott Card would think. They might want to read “Fallen Angels” a book both standing up for real science and technology, and a tribute to how great fandom used to be. They would find out how much their leftist hate and fascism have corrupted something that used to be great.

Wes S.
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No, the fascist leftists *haven’t* managed to take over SF/F fandom, despite their best efforts. That’s what’s driving them so batshit crazy at the moment.

More hippie tears, anyone?

Achillea
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Sure, top me up. Looks like we’ve got plenty on tap.

Fail Burton
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Well, but who saw this all coming? When I’m a kid I got total strangers coming up to me and telling me to tuck my shirt in. Why? Some bizarre addiction to conformity. Same with haircuts. Adults had this thing about “a good Roman haircut.” Why? Usually the answer was “cuz I said so,” or the classic “‘shut up,’ he explained.” Pushback happened. It’s only natural kids would grow their hair long. Had adults told them to grow their hair long they would’ve sported crewcuts. It was a contrarian culture. Fast-forwarding to 2014 and the SFF community, there is little… Read more »
mekadave5
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Hear hear! (or should that be “Harrumph! Harrumph!” “I didn’t hear a ‘Harrumph’ out of you! ‘Harrumph’ for the governor!”?)

thewriterinblack
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Conformity: comment image

Synova
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Oh, Burroughs was a racist, well enough, for at least some part of his life. However, the past is a foreign country and the world had just discovered genetics and eugenics and Burroughs was, actually, right on board with the *scientific consensus* concerning evolution. His shipwrecked white women and men were genetically more intelligent and culturally refined, just automatically nicer and better people because they were more highly evolved than the brutish cavemen and women on the island… etc., Tarzan was the ultimate example of nature over nurture because he was born a white baby boy to noble parents and… Read more »
Fail Burton
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I have no idea what you’re talking about Synova. The Tarzan novels consistently show an attitude where Europe and America are considered debased, decadent, and spiritually and morally empty compared to Africa, as often as not in a satirical manner. The entire point of the Tarzan series is an escape from the artificial constraints imposed by civilization. However it is also obviously a fantasy – fiction, entertainment. Tarzan has a deep distrust of the West, and visitors from the West who are decent and who meet Tarzan are considered an exception to the rule. When Tarzan meets greedy idiot Americans… Read more »
CombatMissionary
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I recently read a few of Henry Rider Haggard’s Allan Quartermain series. He didn’t appear racist, but seemed to fully embrace how British society made its people more educated and materially blessed, if far less adventurous than African societies of the time. Really, if there were to be a comparison, the Quartermain books made Africa out to be the Wild West to Britain. Great stuff.

SlipperySnake
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Do these fascist leftists happen to be Marxists and Socialists as well? I mean this bullshit is basically interchangeable. I am surprised you didn’t reference Hitler, I mean you might as well make it all up if you are going to allude to it.

CiceroTheLatest
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I’ll refer you to “Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives” by the British historian (and socialist) Alan Bullock. Quoting the Wikipedia blurb, “It analyses inner doctrine that made victory and unparalleled terror possible.” Reading through that long, detailed analysis is a very difficult slog, but worth it.

The National Socialist German Workers Party was/is a radical variant of socialism, as is Communism. In fact, the party platform for the NAZis could have been written by today’s Democrats (with appropriate substitution of proper nouns).

Jake Freivald
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Well, socialism and communism just haven’t been tried properly, you see. They were distorted by those right-wing Nazis and Stalinists in their grab for power, which is what all right-wingers want. True socialism and communism wouldn’t have those problems.

CiceroTheLatest
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BTW, Mr. Correia, I made a disparaging comment about the dearth of decent SciFi on the shelves of the local B&N that may have nicked you as friendly fire. Truth to tell, I’ve had very little time for fiction lately and so have stuck with the tried and true (Weber and Butcher). I intend to remedy that and start on MHN this weekend.

Anyone the Left hates as much as you has got to be writing stuff that’s worth my time.

DaveP.
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Read “Icebreaker” and “The Chief Culprit”, by Viktor Suvorov (who, as an ex-GRU colonel, might just know a thing or two about socialism and about Nazis) . Not only was there actually little practical difference between the National Socialist German Worker’s Party and the Soviet of Socialists, but the red ones were pretty much responsible for the feldgrau ones.

Tom
Guest

Taking a quiz on Buzzfeed, one of the questions was “which animal best represents you?”

I clicked the manatee. After all, Wendell is a Manatee, and he’s one of us, so I guess they represent me just fine 😀

Fail Burton
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The animal that best represents me is the white straight male – a feral hybrid with the manners of a pig and morals of a Gaboon viper.

Tom
Guest

Yeah…wasn’t an option.

So I went with a manatee.

On the North River
Guest

You made fake people!!! Ooooooo!

I want the recipe!

Best of luck on the Hugos.

thirdworldcounty
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The only thing I have to say about this kerfuffle is that I’m a fast reader. All this time spent on this issue instead of another novel is depriving me of reading another enjoyable piece of Correia fiction. Wrap it up and get another book out. *heh* I can hardly wait to part with a few more shekels for another.

But seriously, apart from that lil problem, it is nice to see folks standing up to the Wee Wussy Brigade. Every time it happens, a Founder sheds a tear of joy.

Rodney C. Johnson
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Reblogged this on The Raptor's Claw and commented:
Well. This is not unexpected…

Joe in PNG
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It is funny reading the SJW’s current thoughts in light of the messages the American Left has tried to convey throughout the decades: -40’s: Classism is bad, even the most humble can teach us things -50’s: Witch hunts are bad, we shouldn’t destroy and slander others by trying to root out possible threats -early 60’s: Racism is bad, people should be judged by who they are, not by skin colour -late 60’s: Conformity is like, bad, man, we should all, like totally be true to ourselves…wow. -70’s: Government abuse of power is really bad, Nixon should be imprisoned for domestic… Read more »
SlipperySnake
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Lol, damnit the witchhunts seem to suck a lot of balls if the missed Vox and Larry. All our plans for naught.

Joe in PNG
Guest

I believe what boring banned boi is trying to say is “our hate is alright because we haven’t had a chance to start up some gulags… yet.”

John Wheeler (Johanan Rakkav)
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Well, if anything ever convinced me not to make creative writing my career, it’s this essay. If you, a self-proclaimed right-winger, get this kind of abuse, the kind of “militant moderate” I sometimes joke I am (one who has no trouble saying he thinks economic left and right and social authoritarian and libertarian – cf. the Political Compass UK online – are just four different axes of More or Less Crazy) would get hit by flak from all directions at once. Thankfully I don’t have to make my fiction my living. I can do it for a tiny but grateful… Read more »
John Wheeler (Johanan Rakkav)
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What you just said about “SJW Lefties” becoming what they fight against illustrates my last point. It’s not a leftist problem, it’s a human problem.

John Wheeler (Johanan Rakkav)
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Sorry, I mean Joe, one of your respondents. 🙂

SlipperySnake
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Also make career and life decisions base on bull shit internet drama about an award no one really gives a shit about rather than what is best for you. Larry has made all his beliefs a part of his reputation and campaign. As long as you are good at writing you will be successful, I am evidence. Even though I think Larry is politically retarded I enjoy his books.

Bubbasrelm
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I know this sounds kinda effed up, but dammit… he made me write a 1200 word reply to his stupidity… seems kinda fruitless now 🙁 I guess the joy was in the journey, not in imagining him furiously trying to scribble down numbers to debunk math and then finally shrugging and saying, “Wrong, cause number don’t count!” Sorry, it was my first time combating trollishness with numbers and I kinda had a “happily ever after” montage in my head. I guess i’ll go home now, and listen to super sad french opera, and eat cheese and wine while mulling over… Read more »
Casey Tompkins
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Wow. This article is gonna leave a lot of marks…

Too much to comment on, except one point; to the lady upstream who admired “unsafe” writers. Running through traffic is unsafe; it’s also pretty stupid. Me, I prefer people who write good stories.

dyingearth
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I actually have to subscribe it to my RSS reader to keep up.

Book
Guest

Here’s a question- is it too late to purchase a supporting membership in order to vote for the Hugo nominees already selected? Or has that ship sailed? I’m asking because after I explained the Orwellian brouhaha to a friend of mine and showed her this post, she wanted to get in on the hot manatee + puppy love action.

kastandlee
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Book: No, it is not too late. Unlike the nominating phase, where you need to be a member of one of the three Worldcons eligible to nominate by the end of January of the year in which the awards happen, you can join the one Worldcon whose members can vote on the Hugo Awards for that year at any time before the close of voting and still be able to vote for that year’s Awards. (Remember, voting closes a few weeks pre-convention. There is no voting at the convention.) I’m sure that Loncon 3 will be happy to take your… Read more »
Book
Guest
Hi Kevin! Thank you for the info, it’s much appreciated. I take it that since you work for the WorldCon, you don’t mind receiving our money for the purpose of voting for our favorite book(s)? BTW, I think you’ll note that there are several people of differing ideologies commenting here who also happen to be a part of the the Grimnoire chronicles fan base. My friend is a registered democrat. But she’s also a fan of Mr. Correia’s (as well as the WOT series- she still hasn’t decided who to vote for. I’m trying very hard to remain impartial with… Read more »
kastandlee
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I take it that since you work for the WorldCon, you don’t mind receiving our money for the purpose of voting for our favorite book(s)? I want to make a few things completely clear: 1. If by “work for the Worldcon,” you mean “are an employee,” not only am I not one, but nobody. Worldcons don’t have employees. Also, while Worldcon is an ongoing entity, each individual Worldcon is a completely legally independent entity. The legal entity running the 2014 Worldcon in London is not the legal entity running the 2015 Worldcon in Spokane. 2. If you mean “are one… Read more »
Achillea
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Kevin, Thank you for the explanation. Reading through the comments thread, I’d formed the impression that two (or possibly more) acronyms were being conflated, but lacking any knowledge of the relationship between the SFWA and the WSFS, it was impossible to be sure. Your clarification here and upthread has been immensely helpful in that regard. Also, kudos on remaining calm, clear, and civil, characteristics which can sometimes run in short supply on the net. And let me clarify that I’m not accusing anybody else of a lack thereof, just saying that seeing points made reasonably in an environment that is… Read more »
kastandlee
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Thank you, although I’m not unbiased, and I get really passionate about people attacking WSFS when it actually has a level of transparency of process far beyond most awards and organizations. Note that being easy isn’t the same as being transparent; some people may confuse the two. My annoyance with people who I perceive to be attacking the legitimacy of the organization can get me to get a bit riled up to say the least. Speaking of confusion, here for the benefit of anyone else who might have survived this long is a disambiguation of the two organizations you mention:… Read more »
Book
Guest

Kevin, that does clear some things up. Thank you for the explanation. 🙂

I’m actually a little curious about the convention organizers now- on a personal level. You might say my family is “in the business” of con organization. You’ve been with them for quite some time! Do you enjoy it? This year’s kurfluffle aside, of course. 😉

kastandlee
Guest
I’m actually a little curious about the convention organizers now- on a personal level. You might say my family is “in the business” of con organization. You’ve been with them for quite some time! Do you enjoy it? I guess I must, or else I’m one heck of a masochist. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have devoted about a decade of my life and spent >$50,000 of my own money bidding for and promoting a Worldcon. (The one I co-chaired in San Jose in 2002.) And one of the ways to enrage me is to accuse me of “raking it in under… Read more »
Echo
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That’s awesome. Thanks for the info, and all your hard work over the years.
Wow, though… I remember reading ancient copies of Elf Quest when I was in elementary school! Where’s my cane and rocking chair?

Achillea
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“Thank you, although I’m not unbiased, and I get really passionate about people attacking WSFS when it actually has a level of transparency of process far beyond most awards and organizations. ” Yes, a bit of asperity did peep through a time or two. 😉 Still, you make good points and you make them well. “My first SF convention was the 1984 Anaheim Worldcon. (For reference, I was born in 1965.) ” lol! Small world. I was born in ’66 (6/66, make of that what you will), and I went to that one, too. Happily, I lived rather closer. Unhappily,… Read more »
kastandlee
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I have no more inside information on this year’s Hugo Voter Packet. (A lot of people expect me to know more than I do because of my involvement administering TheHugoAwards.org; however, the Hugo Awards Marketing Committee on which I sit does not administer the Hugo Awards; that’s done by the individual Worldcon committees.) Based on past experience, I would expect it to take at least a couple more weeks, and furthermore, I expect the content in it to change over time, as there will be works added to it after it originally comes out as rights-holders who initially did not… Read more »
CombatMissionary
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“Hot Manatee and Puppy Love Action”
New MHI riot-inciting T-shirt? Ha ha ha.

Book
Guest

I might could come up with a design for that. //she says in a thick southern drawl//

thejynxed
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To put it this way, I still read authors like Orson Scott Card, even though his views on gay marriage, etc aren’t the same as my own. I enjoy his work. His work is entertaining. I guess I’m a terrible liberal by their definition (and yes, I am a liberal, oh the horrors). Oh, did I mention that I love guns, fully believe the 2nd Amendment should be expanded, and that many current gun laws are absolutely illegal under the Constitution? OH THE SHOCK! I’ve enjoyed the entire gamut from Heinlein to Rand, Sanderson, and others, and yet I feel… Read more »
Book
Guest

Well said, sir! //claps//

thirdworldcounty
Guest

“I am a liberal”–Ah, but the necessary distinction is that, given the content of your character as revealed in the content of your comment, you are not a typical, contemporary FAUX liberal but a GENUINE liberal. The two classes never overlap, in my experience. Genuine liberals seem to be a vanishing breed in our society, or maybe it’s just because the fake ones have the pulpit and shout so very loudly. (Frankly, my own views would be considered liberal by John Stuart Mill’s standards and conservative by Burke’s standards. *shrugs* I am sooooo confused. *heh*)

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[…] what happened to cause all this, well I’ll let Mr.Correia explain his side of the story. It’s an interesting post and explains that side, which I completely agree with. I really […]

David Ferguson (@dferg)
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Instalanche. Now I am a fan. Just bought your first book in Kindle format. Followed you on this blog and on Twitter.

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[…] This is interesting:  An Explanation About the Hugo Awards Controversy […]

salgak
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What’s just STARTING to piss me off, is lefty fans have started a new “reasonable” attack. They claim Larry’s exposition above is “misleading, at best”, of course, giving no details on what they thought was misleading. A variant of Internet Arguing Checklist item 2, without the need to give any specifics, yet claim to be the calm, rational ones.

Because we sound Angry or something. . .

dyingearth
Guest

1: Skim until Offended
2: Disqualify that Opinion
3: Attack, Attack, Attack
4: Disregard Inconvenient facts
5: Make Shit Up
6: Resort to Moral Equivalency
7: Concern Trolling
8: When all else fails, Racism!

It’s not just 2, but 5 and 7 as well.

Scott Gelber
Guest
Funny thing is that I knew of you before I bought a single book. I once purchased a hard-chromed STI TargetMaster in 9×19 on one of the THR group buys. Then I heard about MHI and started reading. The first book was good (great) enough for me to read the others. So I have done business with you and read your books, and someone has the nerve to tell me you are a bad person with no talent for writing. Thus, not deserving of a vote. I guess I will have to agree to disagree with them.
DDoSCapitol (@DDoSCapitol)
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You did exactly the appropriate thing – when Room 101 demands that you shut up, get louder. They get off on feeling powerful and believing their little tin god routine is butch and intimidating – bust that bubble. Buying one of your books, just cuz’. Well played.

mithbesler
Guest

Has anyone watched the actual recording of the nominations from Worldcon. Heck even Larry got a golf clap from someone in the back of the room.
But when Vox was announced hehehe WHAT!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0br4raAgUU

mithbesler
Guest

Have looked around and while there are plenty of blogs that accuse you of many things from ballot stuffing to being the mentor of Jim Jones. I have yet to find a blog that gives you any credit for helping to increase this years voting turn out by 43%. Did find a few that credited it to WoT nomination. Which I am sure helped the numbers.

Richard
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I am afraid that your conviction that it is all down to left/right wing politics is probably reading too much into this. Sadly there are idiots in all walks of society and they find excuses to highlight and criticise people for. Whilst some may be politically motivated I doubt it is to the extent that you feel here. I feel as if you are trying to turn it in to a political issue. I do not condone any such activity by the way, and feel that this sort of activity is encouraged by internet anonymity and demonstrative of cowardly bullying… Read more »
Kevin Baker
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I had a liberal comment at my blog over the course of about seven years. One of my other readers created a list of his “12 Standard Responses”: #1 The “I can’t hear you” response. He behaves as if a request to respond or to answer a question was not made, or that he never read it. This seems to be his favorite. #2 The “What’s the point” response. He complains that it is pointless to respond because he won’t be believed anyway. One often finds this on a playground during third grade recess. #3 The “I’m not alone” response.… Read more »
rek
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Here is an idea for Sad Puppies 3:

Next year, you should post that you are nominating one of these inclusive, enlightened bloggers for best fan writer. You know, one of those gentle folks who were so quick to smear Brad Torgensen and Toni.

Just to watch the target squirm and insist that they really are the right kind of racist / sexist, and to see their pack mates turn on them for the idealogical weakness that the International Lord of Hate was able to discern and endorse.

Fail Burton
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“I’m not claiming that I’m apolitical or objective. I’m not. I have my own opinions and biases. So do you. So do they. So does everyone. Claiming otherwise is merely pretending that you are the Standard Human Being and that everyone but you is a deviation from that Standard.” – Kevin Standlee Mr. Standlee, I don’t disagree with that but to me that is not the issue here, no more so than a baseball umpire lays claim to such a status. For me the issue lies in the ability of a community like SFF to recognize where controversy lies and… Read more »
kastandlee
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I can’t rebut your statement because you’ve set it us IMO as “Heads I win, tails you lose.” In your world, the Hugo Awards are irrelevant because they don’t give awards to the things you personally favor. Fine; you are perfectly free to go set up your own convention and your own society and your own awards that will Do Things Right. Nobody’s stopping you from doing it. The only thing you can’t do is call them “Worldcon,” “WSFS,” and “Hugo Award” because those are the registered service marks of WSFS. Otherwise, knock yourself out. After all, it’s clear that… Read more »
Laurie
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Did I miss something? Who’s asking to change the rules of the Hugos? Larry worked within the rules – and proved the people running the Hugos are honest, which is a good thing, right? This means it’s not the rules or the people in charge who are the problem. He’s also proved that the Hugo is a fan popularity award – Duh – and a popularity award only reflects the people who get involved. If only a small segment get involved, then the award reflects that small segment. But that’s not the fault of anyone running WorldCon, that fault lies… Read more »
kastandlee
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But the result is that fewer people will be involved with the Hugos

The number of nominating ballots cast this year was a new all-time record (more nominating ballots cast this year than final ballots cast last year), and Loncon 3 looks to probably break attendance records for non-US Worldcons as well. Yes, it’s not a 125,000-person scrum in San Diego, but the growth of interest and participation in the Hugo Awards seems inconsistent with your statement that “fewer people will be involved.”

Eamon J. Cole
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Your desire to try to straddle the neutral middle and point fingers in both directions seems to be obscuring some salient points. How much of the uptick is a result of participation by passionate people who are tired of being villanized for waking up in the morning? How much of that interest will remain if no one takes a principled stand against the quelling behavior of those shouting that votes should be cast based solely on the perceived traits of the authors and creators? Those same loud voices proudly proclaiming they have not and will not read the works in… Read more »
kastandlee
Guest
Decide how you, personally, as an invested individual would like to see things proceed and take a stand. I already have: WSFS belongs to its members. It’s up to them to behave as each of them sees fit. It’s not my place to tell them how or how not to vote. The way I preserve my own freedom of speech and action is to not restrict theirs. Not theirs, and not yours. But in fact, since you pointedly say you don’t care about the outcome, I don’t care about your opinion that much. If you don’t participate in the process,… Read more »
Eamon J. Cole
Guest
You certainly take things in odd directions. Where does freedom of speech come in to play? Have I (or someone else around here I missed) demanded anyone’s speech be restricted? Is there something in my comment that implies people should not be free to speak? But, being free to speak your mind does not equate to being free from criticism of your speech. I don’t think you’ll hear such an argument from me. Anyone who thinks that every voter was, in some far off Golden Age, a paragon of literary virtue… I harbor no such illusions. But if your only… Read more »
kastandlee
Guest
As far as bullying goes, There’s enough of it going on by everyone. But some people are so convinced that they are right that of course anyone else is “bullying.” There’s plenty of it to go around, and nobody’s hands are clean. In short, there are people loudly, repeatedly and antagonistically declaring that they will use the platform of the Hugo award to declare their disdain for an entire group of people based solely on ideology, gender and melanin concentration. They are casting aspersions the validity of which can be readily examined. Yep, and IMO some of their aspersions are… Read more »
Eamon J. Cole
Guest
I’m a defender of the side of Truth and Justice, am I? And I don’t realize how bad everyone looks? This is based on…? I mean, it’s something other than your own assumptions, right? Ah, I get it, it’s because I’m blind to my own biases because I Know I’m Right. Thanks. You’re awfully interested in sorting me into your preconceived categories, but what evidence have I presented here to justify your selection process? Terribly quick at casting aspersions of your own. I don’t mind if you want to criticize and disagree with me, that’s natural. But how about basing… Read more »
kastandlee
Guest

But you seem to miss the point that my lack of caring is not because I don’t have interest in the legitimacy or value of the award or the con. It’s because you and others don’t seem very interested in defending that legitimacy.

I don’t want a “legitimacy” that stems from prohibiting people from voting because of their political beliefs. I get the impression that you think that would be a good thing, as long as it was the people whose opinions you dislike. Possibly this isn’t what you intend, but that’s how it reads to me.

Eamon J. Cole
Guest

You’re reading into it, sir. Sorry, but that’s what’s happening. You have nothing on which to base the criteria of “people who’s opinions I dislike” so how would you infer that I’d be okay with preventing them, or anyone else from voting? Where have I said anything about preventing anyone from voting?

Kevin Findley
Guest

Wow Kas. You really missed the point there. Maybe it’s because you only read one sentence apparently.

Laurie
Guest

“The number of nominating ballots cast this year was a new all-time record …”

Ah, but according to the old guard, it’s all the wrong people swelling the ranks, thanks to Larry.

I actually hope you’re right. The bigger and broader the spectrum, the better. Echo chambers aren’t good for anyone. But, like Larry, I’m a CPA and we’re naturally skeptical, and I’ve seen other organizations destroyed before when a certain type of person takes over. I would hate to see it happen to WorldCon. But if it does, it will not be because of you.

kastandlee
Guest
Ah, but according to the old guard, it’s all the wrong people swelling the ranks, thanks to Larry. I am one of the Old Guard, and I Don’t Care, as long as each of them bought and voted their own memberships. (Aside: Don’t read that excessively tightly. I buy my wife’s membership; but she votes her own way.) I think it more likely that you’ll see people who have been members for a long time but who have not been voting because they’re lazy are going to be mobilized to actually vote their memberships. Heck, trying to get the existing… Read more »
Laurie
Guest

“the old guard”

Sorry, poor wording on my part, I mean the current clique.

“Your ideological enemies consider you that “certain type of people,” I think.”

It has nothing to do with ideology. It’s about wanting power and control over others.

rawlenyanzi
Guest

Kevin Standlee, I believe you 100%. Never mind the bashers; I’m taking you at your word that the WSFS will not change the rules to lock someone out, and I have every reason to believe that you’re being honest.

As far as I can tell, the WSFS itself has not denounced anyone on the slate.

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[…] The Hugos are the big prestigious award for science fiction and fantasy. One of my books was a finalist for best novel. A bunch of other works that I recommended showed up in other categories. Because I’m an outspoken right winger, hilarity ensued. Many of you have never heard of me before, but the internet was quick to explain to you what a horrible person I am. There have been allegations of fraud, vote buying, log rolling, and making up fake accounts. The character assassination has started as well, and my detractors posted and tweeted and told anyone who… Read more »
Fail Burton
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Actually my comment was an appeal to reason and larger group participation where I don’t set the rules, but where we all get together and make some general ground rules where if a person writes “Didn’t need the user icon to know you’re white and male,” they don’t get to pretend they’re “anti-racist” and “anti-sexist” or political. If you want to bury your head in the sand and appeal to committee rules and pretend this is all not actually happening then knock yourself out. It was not a suggestion that I want someone to do the work for me, but… Read more »
SBP
Guest
Yes. When you’ve lost Neil Gaiman, you’ve lost the war. When ~50% of the best-selling F&SF titles on Amazon are self-published, you’ve definitely lost the war (it’s worse if you take out George R. R. Martin…much worse). I expect the Nielsen Haydens and their ilk to Go Away within the next five years. There will be room for editors in the new world. Likewise artists, book designers and other creative professionals. The need for publishers is questionable, but maybe there will still be a few. There will be no room whatsoever for political commissars. It must suck to spend so… Read more »
SBP
Guest

Oh, good God. I just read that poem.

Yep, we’re all Nazis. Nazis were well-known for their support of small government and personal liberty. Nazis also were well-known for allowing opponents to freely express their opinions, as opposed to, say, deleting them outright, screwing with the font size, or removing their vowels (how old are these people, anyway? Twelve? The person who compared them to a clique of Mean Girls in junior high was spot on).

Here’s a hint, Tor-folk: If you see Nazis as being on your right, that means that you’re a Stalinist.

Eccentric Cowboy
Guest
Mr. Corriea, I salute you sir! I love how bold you are in launching this one man raid to rattle the collective cages of all the super sensitive types and to prove a point. This is almost super-villain level plotting here and it is beautiful. I hope that other authors who happen to have different political views will become more confident in expressing their positions. It’s especially annoying when the left sets up a literary blockade in hopes of silencing all opposition. But wow is it amusing to see the absolutely amazing over the top reactions of rage you get… Read more »
The_Detective
Guest
Out of macabre curiosity I googled Hugo nominations larry correia. The first article I got to said “I’ll link to (Larry) and (nox) posts using (something I forget), for my and your protection”. I looked up the link thing, it’s a link tool that prevents google and other search engines from acknowledging the links. Preventing your blog post from being ranked. For her (expletive) protection!? For my (expletive) protection!? It doesn’t protect anyone, it just prevents he spider bots from indexing it. She is just an angry person who wants her log which mentions your name, along with words like… Read more »
The_Detective
Guest
Out of macabre curiosity I googled Hugo nominations larry correia. The first article I got to said “I’ll link to (Larry) and (nox) posts using (something I forget), for my and your protection”. I looked up the link thing, it’s a link tool that prevents google and other search engines from acknowledging the links. Preventing your blog post from being ranked. For her (expletive) protection!? For my (expletive) protection!? It doesn’t protect anyone, it just prevents he spider bots from indexing it. She is just an angry person who wants her log which mentions your name, along with words like… Read more »
rek
Guest
Donotlink is probably a reaction to people like Vitaly Borker, who intentionally intimidated people and created bad publicity in order to increase his Google search ranking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitaly_Borker When people say they are protecting themselves by using donotlink, they aren’t talking about search rankings. When you are on website A, and click on a link to website B, your browser includes an REFERER header which contains the address of website A. By using donotlink as an intermediary, Larry does not see in his logs that someone followed a link from their website. (He might see donotlink, but I don’t know for… Read more »
andycanuck
Guest

Somewhat OT: Is Wendell related to Hugh Manatee???

Firbolg
Guest

I’m leftwing, I love your work. Monsterhunters is one of my favourite series. I deplore what is happening to you, maybe we won’t ever agree on political issues but as long as your books entertain and maybe even make me think I’ll buy them and tell my friends that I like your books. Censorship in what ever way it happens is never a good thing.

Danny in Canada
Guest
When you were up for a Campbell, I didn’t vote for your work because I tried reading it and I couldn’t stand it. Seriously, I couldn’t bring myself to finish a single chapter. I skipped around to see if it got better later, and it didn’t. So I left you off the ballot, below ‘no award’. That was my honest opinion. It had nothing to do with your politics (to which I’m so opposed that if you and I were magnets, we’d be stuck together for life), or with your personality, or with your blog, and everything to do with… Read more »
Popguy
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I don’t know if Larry actually reads all these hundreds of comments, but I just wanted to respond to some interesting points he makes. Some things I agree with whole-heartedly (for example the actual work being more important than any political leanings of the author etc.), others less so. You mention Socialists and Communists, but I don’t think there is a great number of actual Socialists or Communists in science fiction fandom or authordom. China Miéville and Iain M. Banks, perhaps, but seriously who else? I think the terms are stretched to absurd proportions here to cover people with some… Read more »
Synova
Guest
Not defending Vox either but, point of nit pickingness here… did he call a woman a half-savage because of her race, or because of her behavior, which IIRC, was pretty darned vile. As for his misogyny… yeah, so? It doesn’t hurt me that I ever noticed. There’s an awful lot of tolerance for explicit and relentless misandry, so much so that my spell checker doesn’t even recognize the word as a word. It’s not *excusing* Vox, BTW, to point out that what is recognized so easily coming from him really is equivalent to what the woman he called a half-savage… Read more »
rek
Guest
“Right now there are laws in places like Florida and Texas which are intended to make it essentially legal for white people to just shoot people like me, without consequence, as long as they feel threatened by my presence.” — NK Jemisin If one was generous, I think VD’s response might be interpreted as — If she is concerned about “stand your ground” laws applying to her personally, as she says, is it because she is making a habit of physically attacking people? But you may want to ask him directly. He seems to respond to people on his website.… Read more »
Calvin Gordon Dodge
Guest

The woman he called “half-savage” has a history of making racist anti-white comments. In addition, Vox Day says that he has insulted him frequently for years (he doesn’t provide any links). It was her BEHAVIOR, not her skin color, that elicited VD’s insult.

Calvin Gordon Dodge
Guest

Definitely behavior, according to Vox. Quote: “It has largely been forgotten that NK Jemisin’s attack on me in Australia was part of a nominal call for reconciliation in SF/F, and my response to her was a rejection of that call on the grounds of its impossibility. “

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
Guest

Actually, I’d like to find examples of her anti-white racism and misandry. It’s hard to google because her name and ‘racism’ turn up tons of condemnations of Vox’s response to her. A little help, please?

This whole thing is making me go and read because I don’t want to go simply by accusations, I’ll go with what the people in question actually say.

SBP
Guest
” Calling major publishing companies in the most market-oriented and capitalist Western society left-wing is another leap of logic I can’t follow.” The pasty-white gerontocracy at Tor Books is observably left wing. It doesn’t really require a chain of inference to accept a fact. A simple author count will do. How many libertarian authors publish with Tor? How many with Baen? “I do believe that many people don’t share the conservative pro-gun, pro-religion, pro-heterosexual marriage sort of world view any more” You’re wrong. It’s hard to put this in a way that doesn’t sound insulting, but you might want to… Read more »
Danny in Canada
Guest
well, I went and looked at the original blog post. “it is not that I, and others, do not view her as human, (although genetic science presently suggests that we are not equally homo sapiens sapiens), it is that we simply do not view her as being fully civilized for the obvious historical reason that she is not.” Okay, that could be taken as a comment on Jemisin’s personal behavior, although in that case why “historical” ? Jemisin’s only 42. “self-defense laws have been put in place to let whites defend their lives and their property from people, like her,… Read more »
Stephen St. Onge
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        It’s interesting, how people can miss the obvious.  But then, as Orwell said, it takes constant struggle to see what’s under your nose.         Jemisin said in her GOH speech at Continuum (available at her website, nkjemisin.com), that Vox Day was: a self-described misogynist, racist, anti-Semite, and a few other flavors of asshole.         Vox’s response to her personal attack on him was that this was a lie: other people had described him that way, but he had never so self-identified.  AFAIK, this is true.         Jemisin… Read more »
Synova
Guest

I don’t remember the numbers or if it was total uses or proportional comparisons but in Florida more (or a greater percentage?) of black shooters brought to trial have successfully used “stand your ground” as a defense than white shooters.

Like I said, I don’t remember exactly how they measured that, but apparently the law itself is protecting blacks more often than whites.

SBP
Guest
“although in that case why “historical”” She’d been insulting him for years, as I understand it. “Beale’s explicit and repeated comparison of Jemisin to “white males” would seem to indicate that the most important characteristics in his description of her are not “rude” or “aggressive” or “hostile” but “black” and “female”.” Or maybe the most important characteristic is “anti-white bigot”. Have you actually read any of her stuff? Take some of her public statements and switch in “Jew” or “black” for “white”. See how that looks to you. Anyway, my purpose here isn’t to “clear” Vox or “defend” him as… Read more »
Danny in Canada
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You said: why assume Beale was calling Jemisin ‘half-savage’ because of her phenotype instead of her personal behavior? Is it because I am inclined to think that Jemisin’s phenotype indicates half-savagery? I said: (five reasons, based on Beale’s own words) You said: the first two reasons of those five are flawed. You then stated that your purpose is not to clear Beale. Fair enough, but what about clearing *me* of *your* accusations? You have accused *me* (implicitly), and everyone else who has criticized Beale for those statements (explicitly), of being motivated by phenotype-based discrimination. (“says more about you than it… Read more »
Tom
Guest
I’ll go ahead and tell you, don’t hold your breath on (g) ever happening. None of that is Larry’s style. You being banned only happens if you bore him sufficiently, and he doesn’t stop conversations because someone gets sand in their glittery hoo haa’s either. You see, here, if you say something, you’d better own it. Something to keep in mind. As for Jemsin and Vox, Jemsin is a racist in her own right, yet Vox is the one vilified for it. Pot. Kettle. And, frankly, a lot of us are sick of it. Double standards were wrong when they… Read more »
CiceroTheLatest
Guest
Because Jemisin write garbage like this: “… the First Amendment was meant to protect — the voices of the minority; the rights of those who need to speak truth to power; subversive art, incisive journalism, political protest – (See more at: http://nkjemisin.com/#sthash.nVlCU7lu.dpuf )” She is a hard Leftist. That means she is a feral human. Specifically, and in order to preempt your effort at changing the subject, that means she wants to destroy Western Civilization. Unfortunately, some people use the (accurate) term “savage” when referring to feral humans. That allows (as you well know) other Leftists to change the subject… Read more »
T.L. Knighton
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Because Jemisin write garbage like this: “… the First Amendment was meant to protect — the voices of the minority; the rights of those who need to speak truth to power; subversive art, incisive journalism, political protest – (See more at: http://nkjemisin.com/#sthash.nVlCU7lu.dpuf )” Which is hysterical when one considers that the First Amendment was crafted by the very kinds of people (namely white, heterosexual men) that she decries as being unworthy of existing. Not only that, but the First Amendment is about protecting all speech, but particularly unpopular speech as popular speech needs no protection. It does no protect the… Read more »
SBP
Guest

“g) arrange with our gracious host Mr Correia to have 1) further discussion on this topic halted, and/or 2) this post deleted, and/or 3) me banned from further commentary”

Most libertarian blogs don’t do that sort of thing, dude. That would be your side.

And no, I’m not going to address the faux butthurt outrage that you’re trying to use to deflect the conversation. Net rhetorical effect: approximately the same as a cat attempting to cover up a turd on a hardwood floor.

Bored now.

kastandlee
Guest

Most libertarian blogs don’t do that sort of thing, dude.
In my own personal experience, they’re just as subject to the echo-chamber effect as those lefties you excoriate.

“Free speech for me but not for thee” is not limited to the American political left.

Danny in Canada
Guest
Tom – I’m pleased to learn that (g) won’t happen unless Mr Correia decides that I “bore him sufficiently”! In Canada, we don’t have the same laws re ‘freedom of speech’ as you guys do, so I don’t have the same instincts for what is and isn’t allowed. I just do my best to stay polite and articulate, and to explain clearly and specifically why I have various opinions. (With the occasional attempt at wit tossed in — am I really the only one who thought it was funny to say that Beale’s hypothetical society of Jemisins would have a… Read more »
SBP
Guest
Kevin: “In my own personal experience, they’re just as subject to the echo-chamber effect as those lefties you excoriate.” Once again you make claims without evidence. Which libertarian blog has deleted your comments, “disemvoweled” them, or reset them in an unreadably small typeface? Name names. “Tell me, is “bored now” meant to imply D (ignore me or otherwise decline to answer), or F (insult me by implying that I’m boring) ?” It’s meant to state (not “imply”) that I’m no longer interested in having this conversation with you. Seriously. You come here operating under the assumption that this is a… Read more »
Danny in Canada
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Ah, the joys of meta-arguments. I’d like to point out, for the record, that I made no statements regarding “a haunt of black-hating, dragging-gay-dudes-behind-pickup-trucks throwbacks”; my statements were regarding Mr Correia’s effect on this year’s Hugo nominations (and on my general dislike for his novels). And some analysis of posts on Beale’s blog, in response to a direct question about why anyone would have interpreted Beale’s posts as having racist content without themselves being racist; and some stuff about a novel that was written by someone I know. And then I posted that I agree with Mr Correia about Stephen… Read more »
NMM1AFan
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Hate to break it to everybody, but the Hugo Awards and SFWA add exactly nothing to my purchasing and enjoyment of science fiction.

I buy books I’m interested in by authors I like.

Period.

Danny in Canada
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True enough, and an excellent attitude, but do bear in mind that winning such awards gives the book — and thus the author — a significant boost in public profile; an award-winning book tends to be re-published and brought to the attention of a larger audience, which leads to higher sales, which leads to the author being considered more profitable, which leads to publishers buying more material by that author. Even self-published material is subject to this: a self-published author I know has written several (wonderful) novels about the character BR, and one (wonderful) novella about the character GH. I… Read more »
Synova
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I realize this is completely sideways to the discussion but the author waiting for a novella to pay for the cover art before writing more about the same characters, would probably get the pay out sooner by writing more about the same characters.

This is one of the things that I am convinced that traditional publishers do *wrong*.

Eamon J. Cole
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Yes, from what I’ve read it’s one of the perversities of indie (and many other business models, but that’s for another day) more product is more sales is better chance to cover cost of each individual unit. The production model does not, and often cannot depend on each unit covering its own cost of production. The goal is that aggregate sales cover aggregate production. It’s difficult, bordering on impossible, to assess the impact of one book on the total sales of all books by the author. But more books seems to be more money fairly consistently. I believe this is… Read more »
Danny in Canada
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Actually, on 1)., I’m very carefully not making any such judgment; there are always too many excellent books for them to all be on the shortlist, and it’s just a question of which ones drew the most enthusiastic response from the most people, right? I nominated my acquaintance’s book because I genuinely felt it was one of the best five SF novels of the year. I’m making a very strong effort to not do anything spamlike here, not naming the novels or the author, and even the characters’ initials have been carefully mangled. Who deserves fame? We *all* do, in… Read more »
Fail Burton
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Look at the names SFWA member and Nebula nominee Kate Elliott Tweets with:

“Kate Elliott ‏@KateElliottSFF now @damiengwalter @tinytempest @saladinahmed White male privilege doesn’t need to describe the world that caters to it”

kastandlee
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Your message is so many levels down the tree that I honestly do not know to what the pronoun in “It is a lie” is. Could you spell it out for me? I’m sure that sounds sarcastic, but it’s not intended to be.

Fail Burton
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Mr. Standlee, perhaps we should get back to basics: do you believe SFF literature, Brazilian samba music, the Indian Bollywood film industry, Egyptian television, the National Basketball Association, the National Hockey League, middle-weight boxing, and rap music and hip-hop culture are in need of racial diversity?

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AndrewV
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The comments made on substituting Jew for “white” or “male” made me review the Genocide Watch website to see if there are any additional correlations. If we look at the 8 Stages of Genocide and adjust it to fit SciFi/Fantasy literature, it’s pretty obvious many of the vocal fans represented by previous voting blocks are at least at stage 5 and probably stage 6. That’s just awful. It’s amazing to me how people can stop paying attention to their own behavior. All most people want is to read awesome books. People find different things awesome, but that doesn’t mean it… Read more »
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Fail Burton
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I will give you my own answer in advance Mr. Standlee: My own answer is an easy “no”; they need to be left alone. The same standard should be applied to all or none. The fact white and Western is the only thing targeted by the PC should tell you the bigotry involved, and not a binding principle applied to all. The funny thing about principle is how little the PC use it. They claim something like pagode/samba or delta blues music is an “indigenous” authentic artifact to be protected from “cultural appropriation” and in need of an analogue to… Read more »
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pst314
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kastandlee “Here’s something the infuriates me at both people like you and people on the far left: you _both_ appear to think that the other side is going to seize control of everything and impose draconian controls…”

And yet we have seen what the left does when it gets control: Hence the current situation in universities: speech codes, departments with ideological tests to get a degree (aka “social justice”), ad-hoc “rules” applied to suppress dissent from the right while permitting intimidation and assault from the left.

Sorry, you’re going to have to come up with better lies.

Scott
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Okay, so I have never read a Larry Correia book, but this post just gained him another fan. I am going to buy Monster Hunter International as soon as I get home.

Don’t ever back down from those SJW’s, Mr. Correia. Somebody has to stand against their mindless bludgeoning, and I am so relieved to find an outspoken author that doesn’t care and won’t shut up.

C.J. Peter
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Reblogged this on Casey's Blogorama Now with more Taxi-bells! and commented:
What a mess…and nice to see someone stand up and say the things that are said here.

sequelagain
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I’m a libertarian and a SF/fantasy fan. I have not read your stuff. I got here via a link from Instapundit. I am not surprised by the PC fascist outrage industry, being outraged by you. You horrible teabagging teabagger! My response to these shenanagans is that I’ve just bought Hard Magic in Audible format. Like the good little capitalist pig that I am; if I like the book I will buy the rest of the series and probably move on to other series by you.

Benjamin
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Just a question. Why do so few people here refuse to discuss the relationship between science fiction/fantasy and our present political situation in Washington, DC? For example our great Senate Majority leader, Harry Reid.

Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
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Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

Refuse to discuss?

I’m not sure what you’re talking here. IMO the problems we’re seeing aren’t directly related to who’s in charge in Washington DC. Harry Reid and Obama aren’t “ordering their minions to destroy conservative authors”. What we’re up against is Leftish Group-Think not a “Top Down Conspiracy”.

T.L. Knighton
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I give up, why?

Seriously, WTF does Harry Reid have to do with SFF? I mean, I can’t stand the guy, but I’ve never heard him even mention the genre.

CiceroTheLatest
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Maybe Benjamin is asking if we’d noticed that Harry Reid is sort of an SFF caricature of the millionaire who sold his soul to the Devil. The kind of cardboard character you”d find in a poorly written fantasy novel written from a Leftist perspective.

The tip off is that Benjamin refers to Reid as “great.” Only a Leftist troll or a lunatic would do that.

T.L. Knighton
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He did? Apparently, the idea of someone writing that was so abhorrent to my mind that it blocked my eyes’ ability to have read such a thing.

Thank God for the subconscious mind!

Dave W.
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Why, is Harry an alien in disguise, an Area-51 escapee? It sure would explain a lot. Why does no one TELL me these things?!?!!

😉

CombatMissionary
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Darn it! You beat me to the punch! Hat tip to you.

Achillea
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I’m thinking Goa’uld. And not even one with style, like Ba’al. More like the fat one they locked up in the SGC basement.

Dave W.
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+1. I can definitely see Harry Reid as Maury Chaykin Goa’uld.

Benjamin
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Sorry. Why do so many people here.

DaveP.
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Because reasons.

Bubbasrelm
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FOR SCIENCE!!!

jaed
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FOR GREAT JUSTICE!!!!

Pete Mack
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Well, I read (part of) your book, and I didn’t much care for it. It wasn’t the politics; it was the characterization. (I did like the short story you wrote a while back in the same universe.)

And the tribalism displayed on both sides is hilarious. On the left, people making personal accusations about you. On the right, people planning to vote in the Hugos, because the book must be good: you have the political views to prove it!

As for libertarian SF: 2007 wasn’t that long ago, when Vernor Vinge won.

thewriterinblack
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because the book must be good: you have the political views to prove it

Mr. Mack, unlike the folk frothing at the mouth over Larry’s slate his supporters have actually read the books in question. And that, in fact, is all that Larry ever asked: that people read the books and decide based on how they did, or did not, like the books.

Contrast that with the folk who condemn the books without having read them and who are proud of that fact.

But your attempt at claiming a moral equivalence is noted.

Inkstain
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Mr. Correia,

If I didn’t already own all of your books I’d buy some out of principle right about now.

Cleland Early
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I’m left-of-center, and I probably disagree with you on many issues other than the Second Amendment, but I find your books very entertaining and think your nomination is deserved. I also bought a bunch of your challenge coins, so I guess I’m a bit of a fan boy. Maybe I missed something, but I don’t think your novels are particularly political. I hope I get to read many more of them.

T.L. Knighton
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ROFL! Clamps just told me over at Brad’s blog that my novelette sucks.

Considering all the people who he thinks sucks are people I actually like to read – like Larry, John Ringo, Tom Kratman, Mike Williamson, etc.- I think I’m going to take it as a compliment.

Dave W.
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LOL! You definitely should take that as a compliment! Now I definitely need to check it out. Just added ‘After The Blast’ to my reading queue.

T.L. Knighton
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ROFL! Thanks, Dave.

Honestly, based on Clamps and his ability to judge writing, I should be a bestseller by Saturday.

And for a novelette at that. 🙂

Dave W.
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This is the only “bad” thing about hanging out here: my reading queue is getting HUGE. ;-p

T.L. Knighton
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LOL.

Warning though: Clamps warns that I don’t know metaphors or similes and my prose is “lifeless”. Well, without the creepy stalkers backing my work, how will I ever go on?

Dave W.
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Heh…. yeah, I saw that. To quote my fave libertarian space-cowboy, my days of not taking him seriously are coming to a middle. 🙂 I’m still trying to get the ick off of me for actually looking at his blog.

T.L. Knighton
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The good Captain was a man for the ages, to say the least.

And that shit stain has a blog? Oh, if I were a glutton for punishment.

Achillea
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Just bought my copy.

T.L. Knighton
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Thanks, Achillea! I hope you enjoy it as well. 🙂

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Matt Doyle
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Larry, thanks for this post and all the clarification it contains. I’m an extremely leftist reader, but the books I read and the politics I like are largely separate considerations for me. I dislike the blanket condemnations of all conservative authors and works as undeserving (just as I dislike many of the conflations I see here of all left-leaning or SJW fans), and I try to hear out both sides of an argument before I make any judgments. So, token voice that I may be: I disagree with you plenty, but I’m appalled by the vilification and misrepresentation going on.… Read more »
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George
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The left’s reactions sounds a lot like some of the plot elements of Fahrenheit 451. I will have to go back and read it to see if the synopsis I read was correct.

dyingearth
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Christopher Hitchen once joke that North Korea is Kim Il Sung’s attempt at the book 1984. Perhaps SJW thought Fahrenheit 451 is a good idea too.

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csdaley
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I loved reading this. Thanks for sharing. I admit I have never read your books and consider myself a liberal. I found this blog because I read about the controversy somewhere else and wanted to see what your side of it was. I also admit to struggling with my own feelings about the politics of writers I love that I don’t agree with. Ultimately, I have always erred to the side of “what country do I want to live in.” The answer has always been “one where honest debate wins the day.” I also agree that the Hugo’s and Nebulas… Read more »
Achillea
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Nope, sounds like you’re just terrible at the progressive thing. A lot of us here are liberal to some extent, but we’re classical liberals, who actually believe in the ‘liberty’ part.

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Jonathan Fiorio
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“Conservative science fiction writer” is an oxymoron.

Sci-fi is about looking at the future. Conservatives are about returning to the past.

thewriterinblack
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What are “Straw men”, Alex. Can I have logical fallacies for four hundred?

Tom Kratman
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Not at all; conservatives, in an American, which is to say “non-Tory, sense, are about believing that neither nature nor nurture are dispositive, that both have effects, that neither is predictable, easy, or certain, and thus that man cannot be perfected. Liberalism and other leftisms, conversely, seems to be about childish faith in a kind of magic. They truly have no place in science fiction, which is about the future, since they have no future they do not “borrow” – borrow like a leech borrows blood – from conservatives.

Dave W.
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LOL! Dude, you have to bring better game than that if you want to troll around here. As he just showed you, Larry eats guys like you for breakfast. :-p

jnials
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And apparently Tom K. uses them for seasoning on his Chili-fries.

Dave W.
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Apparently lefties are crunchy and good with ketchup.

CiceroTheLatest
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No, no, no. You’ve got the concept of oxymoron wrong. It’s the combination of contradictory or mutually exclusive concepts, like “Leftist thought” or “liberal tolerance”.

CiceroTheLatest
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Has anyone else noticed that the quality of Leftist trolls has badly deteriorated over the past few years?

Take this one for example. The taunt is, at best, childish. An insult based on straw man stereotypes. No facts, no analysis.

It seems to be this way everywhere. It’s almost as though the only people left on the Left are the ones too stupid to learn.

Fail Burton
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By your own PC definitions and stories, conservatives created genre SFF. So as usual, PC-world is upside-down world. Who is it who goes to sleep and wakes up yesterday in a world of slavery, black baseball leagues, Jim Crow and men who want to take away women’s pencils and make them play tennis in sacks you never shut up about like it’s today’s headlines: conservatives? Find me just one backward-looking straight white male anthology of racial payback fantasies in the last 100 years of SFF like the one Scalzi promoted on his blog yesterday, and yesterday, and the yesterday before… Read more »
CombatMissionary
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I heard that ridiculous pop-culture dismissive oversimplification enough when I was in high school back when dinosaurs were roaming the earth. Give me a break.

Fredrik
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I’m interested in which parts of Europe you refer to when you claim that the people there are less tolerant to homosexuals than staunch Catholics are.

Other than that, I found this post both entertaining and interesting.

tajlund
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I have posted a copy of this blog post over to a site I contribute to, theblogmocracy.com This is the kind of thing that many of us conservatives don’t really notice or think about. While we focus on modern politics, anti-jihad, and the other elements of the media (press, film, television); most of the time we don’t think about the politics that go on in fiction awards and similar areas. Thank you for this. I’m not sure when the post will be up, probably withing the next couple days, I hope you do not mind someone spreading this information to… Read more »
dicelords
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From our side of The Rusty Curtain all this commotion looks just like hardcore party line. Seems like someone adopted our political Cold War garbage dump… and enjoyed doing so quite a lot.

Snakus
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I have enjoyed every book of yours I have read and recommend them to many people. To me that is the most important thing. Your stories and well crafted and well written, sure some of your ideas and attitudes do not mesh mine but that is part of what I enjoy about readings SF, it can and and will stretch my thinking.

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talldave2
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So, having finished the last book last week, I’d say they were very good. The combat and magic are very well done, the characters are interesting… looking forward to reading this series again someday, which is rare.

talldave2
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“This is the kind of thing that many of us conservatives don’t really notice or think about. ” I’m a libertarian but I feel you. I don’t like to let politics dictate my entertainment, but it’s been really hard for me to read Stross or Scalzi since encountering their blogs. Stross’ views actually sent his Merchants series right off the rails — the United States’ foreign policy is built around access to cheap foreign oil? not outside the pages of the Guardian, and now fracking just makes the whole thing beyond ridiculous. I mean, a certain kind of reader might… Read more »
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Adrienne Foster
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FWIW, Mr. Correia, I read your initial post, but none of the comments afterwards. I’m just too tired at the moment, so I hope you’ll forgive me if I’m repetitive. People complain every year when the nominations are announced. In 2007, it was all about how women were being excluded in the fiction writing categories, where only one saw a nomination. They all seemed to overlook the fact that women had won 3 out of 5 of the novel awards in the immediately preceding 5 years. The people who bitched most were outside the process and were not among the… Read more »
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Warren C. Bennett (@warrencbennett)
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My Gosh, reading this right now reminds me so much of what is going on with Gamergate. This came out in april? It’s like foreshadowing of what would happen several months later in the gaming community.

I’m a conservative Christian just finishing stuff up I’m going to publishing…somewhere. We’ll see what happens with that. Hah.

Jay Dee
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Man, comic books, science fiction, atheism, (occupy movement), and now Video Games… and shirts/astro physics. These people need to be stopped with their agenda pushing.
I am a progressive person, and believe we should be pushing for equality. Having biases based on a person’s political leaning is just another form of discrimination, and shows how hypocritical these SJWs are. I may not agree with most conservative ideals, but I sure do when it comes to this: these people are maniacs that need to be stopped.

Richard
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I’m a left as they come and i think this is an absolute disgrace.

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Narf the Mouse
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Hey! Hey! SJW types! Anti-Christian rants make me feel unsafe in my microsphere!

Gonna do something about that?

…Don’t worry, I’m fine with doing stuff while you consider getting back to me on that.

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Insensitive Bastard (@Insensbastard)
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Dear Author,

Welcome to what #GamerGate has been dealing with for months. Feminists and those infected with the virus of Social Justice have been attacking us for months. You have allies and I welcome any and all Sci-Fi enthusiasts to the hashtag. I recommend your own as well; like #SciGate or something I dunno; it’s up to you. You can also bet there will be a video made about this exact post.

Look past the media lies about #GamerGate and you’ll see the parallels are uncanny.

dgarsys
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Heh.

We know, we know.

Not only does this post predate gamer gate, but the Hugo kerfuffle has been on since February.

Also, as Larry pointed out, the background SJW-related kerfuffles have been on for far longer than that.

That said, if you think it’s a nice crowd, hang out. Read some of Larry’s books (MHI and Hard Magic are awesome). Go hang out at accordingtohoyt or the mad genius club. read some of Sarahs stuff, Daves stuff, etc.

Heck, you might find a couple cool stories by John Wright or Vox Day

Oh – and dig up Larry’s piece on default binary gender.

thewriterinblack
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I think, instead, it is for us to welcome you to the party. So:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OpIbiFmY60

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Jay
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Mr Correia I have to say I am a fan of you work but I really do not like political campaigning by the right or left to plant titles into the Hugo awards. Now I realize this is going on and as a well known proponent of right leaning politics you may feel compelled to balance the playing field so to speak. Given the rules that is your right but I just wish an award that celebrates the best of science fiction, fantasy and speculative fiction has to offer has to get down to left-right politics. I know I read… Read more »
Red Falcon
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I’m a Left Winger and what just happened to you shows the Left has to distance and do a direct separation with SJWs.
Left is about tolerance, SJWs are intolerant even to moderate Lefties.
Left is about equality, SJWs is about elitism and cliquiness.
The hard part of being a Lefty is that you have to tolerate and include *gasp* the people you disagree with too.
SJW ideology is radical authoritarianism; all those pretenses of pandering to Left ideals are never met in reality, they are just a shield to justify their actions.

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Erick Hernandez
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I just found out about your blog and books, because of this controversy….. I think all these ruckus is having the effect of bringing people back into the scifi genre. I quitted years ago because all the trash that has been published over the last decade… thanks for opening my eyes again..

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[…] According to Correia, “boring message fiction is the leading cause of Puppy Related Sadness”.  Meaning that the Sad Puppies are symbolic for Science Fiction and Fantasy fans who don’t like boring message fiction.  Which means Seavey’s going to go off and whap those fans right on the nose.  How dare they not like the stuff he does?  Dirty unclean beasts that they are.  No, better still, ignorant fools who need the good, smart Seavey to lead them to the Promised Land of Good Fiction. […]

Gloria Magid
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I am confused. I attend Worldcons when I can, and I nominate my favorite books, movies, novellas etc. I did that this year. I did not see a “slate” (never mind multiple slates!). I just nominated favorites. 1 book on my list, and two movies, made the final nominees list. I will do my best to read all the nominees before filling out the final ballot. I do not usually know or care about the politics, right left or center, of the authors I read. The question is whether I liked the book, story or whatever. So now I’m hearing… Read more »
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[…] counteract the voting bias, Correia organized a campaign called “Sad Puppies”—because, he explains, “boring message fiction is the leading cause of Puppy Related Sadness.” Which gives you a […]

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[…] counteract the voting bias, Correia organized a campaign called “Sad Puppies”—because, he explains, “boring message fiction is the leading cause of Puppy Related Sadness.” Which gives you a […]

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[…] minor writers with SJW/victimhood credentials onto the Hugo ballot. It’s at this point that Larry Correia and others started the Sad Puppies campaign, so I’ll let him provide the […]

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[…] year’s crop, it all got very strange, and murky, and confusing. This, for example, is the explanation from one of “the big bads” of this whole brouhaha. He sounds […]

Barry Gold
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Ya know, you sound a lot like Bill O’Reilly or Rush Limbaugh. It’s all one big left-wing conspiracy. Sorry, I’m a libertarian but I’m just not buying it. And I think that where you went wrong was putting up an entire slate rather than just single works. Yes, authors have been promoting their own works, and fans have been promoting the works of their favorite authors. That’s individual works, and everybody is participating. After the nominations, we look at the results of all those fans, each voting for their favorite works (or, perhaps, for authors they think are “deserving” in… Read more »
Sparks13
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Wow. All THAT just to complain you’re being picked on. You know, I don’t not buy your books because of your political beliefs. I don’t buy your books because I won’t risk the possibility that even one penny of my money will end up supporting something I find morally repugnant, nor am I interested in reading books that will inevitably say, do and act out ‘solutions’ I find unacceptable. It’s not like you’re the only author on my won’t buy list. Now I have a third reason. You’re a member of the Victim nation, always being picked on for NO… Read more »
Doug Loss
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Oh, just go away. No one cares what you think.

Barry Gold
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” I won’t risk the possibility that even one penny of my money will end up supporting something I find morally repugnant, nor am I interested in reading books that will inevitably say, do and act out ‘solutions’ I find unacceptable.” That’s still a political reason for not buying his books. I don’t buy his books for one simple reason: I read the first couple of pages of one (on Amazon) and didn’t like it. That’s about my sole criterion for buying fiction: will it be an enjoyable read. Sorry, Larry, your books just don’t cut it for me. (Side… Read more »
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[…] “I said a chunk of the Hugo voters are biased toward the left, and put the author’s politics far ahead of the quality of the work. Those openly on the right are sabotaged. This was denied. So I got some right wingers on the ballot.” (Source) […]

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[…] “I stated a piece of the Hugo voters are biased towards the left, and put the writer’s politics far forward of the standard of the work. These brazenly on the fitting are sabotaged. This was denied. So I acquired some proper wingers on the poll.” (Source) […]

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[…] claims on the Internet about how evil he was. He was libeled on the Guardian by Damien Walter, and people called up Larry’s home, ‘offering help’ to Larry’s wife to ‘escape from her abusive husband’ […]

TJCooper
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Welcome to the new lynch mob. The left are the modern equivalent of pitch fork wielding rabid mobs chasing down “bad people” (those who don’t agree with them). Authors, actors, directors, it doesn’t matter, even conservatives speakers get chased by the mobs on college compasses.

Barry Gold
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“The left are the modern equivalent of pitch fork wielding rabid mobs”
Proof by assertion. I bet I could find just as much “rabid mobs” on the right. Especially after the last three days of Supreme Court rulings. (posted 6/30/2015)

Lynn
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Why do writers need awards? The reward should be a story well told and widely read.

Mitchell White
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I am about 64, I have been reading science fiction and fantasy since I was 10 years old. my hero’s back then were Harlan Ellison and Silverberg, I read all the greats like Robert Heinlein , Clark, Clifford Simak and the list goes on. Frankly I had no idea about this politically correct warfare until I saw an obviously organized war on Orson Scott Card on social media when Enders Game was made into a movie. Attacking a writer, making massive personal assaults, based on anything but the quality of his or her writing offends me beyond description.
David Flynn
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I am a new author of stuff decidedly more catholic and objectionable than many others, and would love a chance to meet or speak with you by phone. Reading your experiences mirror and even explain my own similar experiences, with this very close minded left wing group. http://www.sftag.net

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[…] Nemesis, his latest installment, is out this month. Correia has recently been the target of an Emanuel Goldstein-style hate campaign by intolerant leftists in the Science Fiction & Fantasy Writers of America. Conservatives (and […]

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