A few days ago the finalists for the Hugo were announced. The Hugos are the big prestigious award for science fiction and fantasy. One of my books was a finalist for best novel. A bunch of other works that I recommended showed up in other categories. Because I’m an outspoken right winger, hilarity ensued.
Many of you have never heard of me before, but the internet was quick to explain to you what a horrible person I am. There have been allegations of fraud, vote buying, log rolling, and making up fake accounts. The character assassination has started as well, and my detractors posted and tweeted and told anyone who would listen about how I was a racist, a homophobe, a misogynist, a rape apologist, an angry white man, a religious fanatic, and how I wanted to drag homosexuals to death behind my pickup truck.
The libel and slander over the last few days have been so ridiculous that my wife was contacted by people she hasn’t talked to for years, concerned that she was married to such a horrible, awful, hateful, bad person, and that they were worried for her safety.
I wish I was exaggerating. Don’t take my word for it. My readers have been collecting a lot of them in the comments of the previous Hugo post and on my Facebook page. Plug my name into Google for the last few days. Make sure to read the comments to the various articles too. They’re fantastic.
Of course, none of this stuff is true, but it was expected. I knew if I succeeded I would be attacked. To the perpetually outraged the truth doesn’t matter, just feelings and narrative. I’d actually like to thank all of those people making stuff up about me because they are proving the point I was trying to make to begin with.
Allow me to explain why the presence of my slate on the Hugo nominations is so controversial. This is complicated and your time is valuable, so short explanation first, longer explanation if you care after.
Short Version:
- I said a chunk of the Hugo voters are biased toward the left, and put the author’s politics far ahead of the quality of the work. Those openly on the right are sabotaged. This was denied.
- So I got some right wingers on the ballot.
- The biased voters immediately got all outraged and mobilized to do exactly what I said they’d do.
- Point made.
I’ve said for a long time that the awards are biased against authors because of their personal beliefs. Authors can either cheer lead for left wing causes, or they can keep their mouth shut. Open disagreement is not tolerated and will result in being sabotaged and slandered. Message or identity politics has become far more important than entertainment or quality. I was attacked for saying this. I knew that when an admitted right winger got in they would be maligned and politicked against, not for the quality of their art but rather for their unacceptable beliefs.
If one of us outspoken types got nominated, the inevitable backlash, outrage, and plans for their sabotage would be very visible. So I decided to prove this bias and launched a campaign I called Sad Puppies (because boring message fiction is the leading cause of Puppy Related Sadness).
The Hugos are supposed to be about honoring the best works, and many of the voters still take this responsibility very seriously. I thank them for this. But basically the Hugos are a popularity contest decided by the attendees of WorldCon. I am a popular writer, however my fans aren’t typical WorldCon attendees. Anyone who pays to purchase a WorldCon membership is allowed to vote. Other writers, bloggers, and even publishing houses have encouraged their fans to get involved in the nomination process before. I simply did the same thing. This controversy arises only because my fans are the wrong kind of fans.
For the people saying that I bought votes, or made up fake people, or bought memberships for a couple hundred imaginary relatives, nope. For those saying I committed fraud, put up or shut up. That would be extremely easy to prove if it were the case. I’ve been up front and public the whole time. Sadly, the thing which has so damaged your calm consisted of a few blog posts and I drew a cartoon. And I’m a terrible artist: http://monsterhunternation.com/2014/01/14/sad-puppies-2-the-illustrated-edition/
Eventually one of my friends colored the cartoon in PhotoShop and one of my fans thought it was funny and made a video. Sorry, outrage crowd. No big evil conspiracy. An evil right winger is treading in your sacred halls because of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzGKlOkQsxY
I mean, seriously, my spokesman was a manatee. No. I’m not making that up. So Sad Puppies 2: Rainbow Puppy Lighthouse The Huggening got my fans involved. Really, that was what we called it. Because writing is such a serious business.
Even last year’s winner, John Scalzi, has said that I did nothing different than what he and other authors have done before. And Scalzi and I seldom agree on anything. Tor.com wrote a scathing bit condemning my actions (and implied what a horrid writer I am). Of course, the very same website did the exact same thing explaining to Wheel of Time fans how the rules allowed them to nominate all 14 books as a single work and encouraged them to get involved. And a cursory Google search by my fans found dozens of other places where authors, reviewers, and bloggers had pushed their favorite works and tried to get fans involved.
We always hear about how fandom is supposed to be inclusive… Only apparently my fans are the wrong kind of fans. They don’t care about the liberal cause of the day. They don’t care about Social Justice. They like their books entertaining rather than preachy. They probably vote incorrectly. That sort of thing.
The last few days have been kind of awesome. I said that for the Hugo’s the writer’s politics were more important than the quality of their work. I was called a liar. Yet, within a couple of hours of the announcement there were multiple posts from the other side where groups of SJWs were strategizing how to make sure No Award beat me, and how to punish every other artist I recommended as well. Others were complaining that the rules needed to be changed to keep the undesirables out. All of this was while they proudly bragged how they had not read me, nor ever would… because tolerance. Hell if I know.
For those who have heard that I’m a terrible, undeserving writer whose mere presence is a mockery of their sacred system, but haven’t read any of my books, I’m actually pretty decent. Feel free to judge for yourself. For the record, my novel that is nominated, Warbound, is the final book in a trilogy that has sold extremely well, been translated into a bunch of other languages where it has also done well, gotten tons of positive reviews (out of the thousands of reviews for this series from across all the various different places I’m still at 4 ½ stars) won and been nominated for other awards, is one of the bestselling and most praised audiobook series there is, has won two Audies, is currently nominated for a third, and been a finalist for best novel in other countries where I don’t speak the language and can’t campaign, so there is that…
But everybody knows bad people can’t create art, says the side that keeps showering Roman Polanski with awards.
In closing, I would really like everybody who is a voting member of WorldCon to actually read the works in each category and vote based upon which ones they think are best. I fully expect Wheel of Time to win my category of best novel. It is a fourteen book epic written by two authors over twenty six years. Duh.
Personally, my goal has been reached. I got the thought police to show the world their pretty pink panties. 🙂
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Long Version:
Now here are the behind the scenes details for whoever wants the whole story.
Bias and Motivation: In this business, most writers who are conservative, republican, libertarian, or devoutly religious have needed to keep their head down so as to not rock the boat and damage their careers. This damage comes from two directions, the publishing industry which is based in Manhattan and which is uniformly left wing, which will hurt careers out of spite, and also from the small, but extremely vocal left wing fans who swoop in to crush all dissent. I like to call them the Social Justice Warriors.
If right wing authors share their opinions, they will be openly chastised and attacked by very vocal, very angry people. Any deviation from the approved narrative is met with scorn, mockery, character assassination, and because the author doesn’t want to damage his career, he will usually fall back into line and shut his mouth. Basically if you step out, they form an angry mob and attack you until you roll over and apologize for something that shouldn’t be apologized for. Once you’re apologizing for your principles, they own you. They really don’t know what to do about people like me.
This squashing worked for them for years, which helped establish this vision that genre fic, much like Hollywood and the rest of media, was monolithically left. In reality people like me sell a ton of books. SJWs became a powerful voting block for the Hugo’s and pushed their favorite topic of the day as the best works. Many regular readers became turned off or annoyed. Genre fiction fans are as diverse as the rest of the country. As time has gone on, more and more of us creators have gotten pissed off and started being open about our beliefs. I sold machineguns and did gun rights lobbying before I got my first book published, so being in the closet about my politics was never an option for me.
My first realization about how messed up this system was dates back to when I was first starting out. One of the smaller voting blocks at WorldCon is made up of Baen fans. They got me a nomination for the Campbell award for best new author. I was brand new, hardly anybody except for them had heard of me. No problem… Except then people looked to see who these new guys were, and they discovered that I was a Mormon, who owned a gun store, and who’d done gun rights lobbying for the Republican party, and had been running a gun nut political blog for years… Whoops. The SJWs had a complete come apart and began warning each other what a terrible, awful, horrible, bad person I was. (most of them were downright gleeful to proclaim they would never read any books from someone so despicable). A reviewer declared that Larry Correia winning the Campbell would “end literature forever”. They hadn’t read my book. The funny thing is that I was actually much more polite to my detractors on the internet back then. Within 24 hours of the announcement I knew that I would be dead last. People who believed this stuff physically avoided me at WorldCon because they’d been told how I was unsafe.
But there is no bias.
After that I got back to the business of writing books. I’ve published ten more since then. I probably would have been content to ignore awards and just keep on cashing my royalty checks, but the SJWs had to just keep on annoying me, by mocking and insulting me and my friends. A writer can only be told they’re not a *real* writer (because of their badthink) so many times before we say screw it and hoist the black flag. If you’re curious how come my fans ponied up perfectly good money to get involved, it is because they’ve been watching this transpire in the comments here, on my FB page, and on Twitter for several years. They felt invested.
This SJW angry mob inquisition has been a gradual and relatively recent development in our culture, mostly as a result of the anonymous and instant internet. It isn’t just for writers, but the demand for a rigid conformity which is expected from the entire entertainment industry. There are many on the left who cannot tolerate opposing viewpoints or philosophies, so when they arise, they must be stomped down. Any deviation from conformity is met with immediate outrage. They have been doing it to people on my side for so long that it is simply expected by us. We are used to it.
However, it comes as a shock to reasonable people on the left when so emboldened the SJWs begin to do the same thing to people on their own side. Stephen Colbert says something they don’t like. Outrage. Patton Oswalt simply agrees with someone on my side. Outrage. Jonathan Ross might say something in the future. Outrage. Patrick Rothfuss says maybe fandom shouldn’t be so quick to outrage. Outrage. Wil Wheaton simply retweets Rothfuss. Outrage. So on and so forth. It doesn’t even matter that all of these people are staunch allies of the outrage crowd, the mob has been programmed to attack, so they do.
Responding to the insults: I wasn’t joking about Google searching my name and reading the comments. Holy moly, it really is enlightening what we’re dealing with here.
First off, I know it doesn’t matter what I say here, because we’ve already seen hundreds of time that they’ll ignore my actual words and just make up new ones for me.
The thing is everybody who knows me knows that I’m actually a nice guy and all that stuff is a bunch of crap. Yes, I am extremely rude to people who attack me on the internet. It saves us all time that way. Six years of this has worn away my thin veneer of civility. Don’t show up, call me a racist teabagger, and then expect reasoned discourse. We all know where we are going to end up eventually, so why not skip all that passive aggressive foreplay and get down to where we’re going to end up anyway, with you making up stuff, and me kicking your ass.
Many of my writer friends who’ve had the option of keeping their heads down and their beliefs secret think that I’m crazy to be so public. I have a response ready for them, I usually pick out whatever topic it is that I know they personally feel very strongly about, but which goes against the accepted group think of the Social Justice Warriors and ask them to go write a blog post sharing their honest beliefs, and then see what happens. Of course, none of them ever take me up on it, because they know that the caring and tolerant crowd would immediately and blindly lash out.
The funny thing about the misogyny, racism, and homophobic allegations, is that I was a self-defense instructor for the better part of a decade and certified literally thousands of people to carry concealed firearms. I taught women, minorities, homosexuals, didn’t matter, often on my own dime, all because I think people who would try to drag anyone to death behind a pickup truck will have a difficult time doing so after they have a pair of hollow points placed into their chest cavity at high speed. Unlike the SJWs, I don’t just pay lip service to empowerment.
Since I’m a prolific political blogger, with thousands of posts to pick through, you’d think these people would have some actual example of where I’d been racist, homophobic, or misogynist, but they don’t. Go figure. In reality, all of us right wingers simply know that the outrage crowd attacking us is so boringly predictable that we have a checklist ready to go for them: http://monsterhunternation.com/2013/09/20/the-internet-arguing-checklist/
Politically, I’m more of a libertarian than anything. Of all the things I’ve been called over the last few days, the most hurtful thing said was that I was a NeoCon who believed in big government welfare (that’s a bit more offensive than the woman who insinuated I’m a wife beater). If they’re looking for homophobia on my blog, they’re always sad when they discover that I’m not against gay marriage, mostly because I’m far more frightened of the overreaching federal government telling people what to do than I am of gay cooties. The angry privileged white man bit is kind of funny since legally I’m not white and I grew up in a poor immigrant community. But facts should never get in the way of a good narrative.
It is kind of sad that some republicans getting nominated is far more controversial than actual communists and socialists winning. Last time I looked those particular philosophies had killed over a hundred million people over the last hundred years, but there’s absolutely no bias in the awards…
Allegations of fraud: I also had another goal, which I never shared publically during my campaigning. I had heard many allegations of fraud in the nomination process from other authors. Tossed votes, far lower than expected counts, that sort of thing. I am a full time author now, but I am a retired auditor. I love looking for fraud. I do spreadsheets and statistical analysis for fun. So I wanted to see if votes were being tossed. When Sad Puppies 1 launched I kept track of who said they were voting, kept a tally, and then kept their emails so if necessary I could ask for their registration receipts. My suggested slate in other categories would help provide check figures in the smaller categories. (But for the record, everything I suggested was something that I read, enjoyed, and thought was of superior quality and deserving of an award).
The final numbers for last year were within the expected deviation. No red flags. LonCon has struck me as perfectly honest in my dealings with them. So I’m happy to say that I see no evidence of dishonesty in the nominating process. That is excellent.
So me being accused of making up fake voters is kind of funny since you can go through my blog and Facebook comments and see all the real live genre fiction fans I’ve been collecting.
Applying a little critical thinking to this (something Social Justice Warriors struggle with) I’m a popular author. I have more daily blog readers than the total attendance of WorldCon. And not only that, my fans aren’t casual, they are hardcore. I just did a Kickstarter and sold over a hundred thousand dollars worth of merchandise related to one of my book series. (still waiting on those last 70 coins, dang it, stupid broken molds!). That’s not a typo, over $100,000 of merchandise on one project in a month… My last Kickstarter before that did $85,000. So what’s more likely, my fans are hard core and have enough disposal income to drop $40 to make a point to an annoying group of people who despises my fans, or that I spent thousands of dollars of my own money to make up imaginary relatives?
Please, keep in mind, my fan base is the same group that routinely is able to sway the entire ranking system of the biggest online book retailer in the world. Once a month, I pick a book, Book Bomb it, and my fans move it onto the Amazon bestseller lists. I’d say that the evidence suggests that A. I’ve got fans. B. They like books. C. Many of them have money.
I find it fascinating that many people on the left end of the spectrum actually believe that their beliefs are the norm among genre fiction readers. They’ve created an echo chamber to validate each other. They’ve taken over SFWA and dominate the conversation there. They’re right and good and any who disagree are evil and bad. They formed a powerful voting block in the most prestigious awards and once a year they could reinforce just how brilliant and important they are by nominating their friends to the various categories. In the last Sad Puppies post’s comments my fans collected a whole bunch of the SJW’s tweets demonstrating this mindset, where conservatives are these anti-science flyover country barbarians who are dying off… Yet, they’re totally oblivious to the fact that guys like me sell a lot of books because there is a big market out there who is tired of being preached at about the SJW cause of the day, and just wants to enjoy their fiction again. They can’t wrap their brains around the fact that people like me are more popular than they are out in the world.
Storytellers win where it counts, BOOK SALES. The SJW contingent wins awards. If the barbarians start taking awards from them they’ll have nothing left.
No wonder they are so angry.
EDIT: I must add the best new bit of character assassination… Larry Correia’s Sad Puppies was where he threatened to kill puppies if his fans didn’t vote. 😀
The Controversial Slate: For the record, I’m only the second most hated man who got a nomination. The most despised is Vox Day by far, however, I’m the one who suggested him to my fans who were participating in Sad Puppies 2. So if he’s their devil, I’m the antichrist.
Let’s back up. The reason Vox is so hated is that he is the only person ever kicked out of SFWA. He makes me look cuddly and diplomatic. He was expelled from SFWA because the powers that be decided he was a racist, in fact, it was so obvious that he was racist that it only took a thirty page thesis explaining how stuff he said was actually racist, including the leadership of SFWA searching through the vile cesspool that is Stormfront until they found some nazi skin head who used similar words, and then holding him accountable for things that posters said in his blog comments (us right wing bloggers don’t believe in censorship so we don’t “manage” or “massage” our comments like they do) then they kicked him out for misusing their Twitter account.
Basically, he called Nora Jesmin an “ignorant half-savage” and that pissed everybody off. See, Nora, is a beloved libprog activist and Social Justice Warrior, and all the reports of her victimization at the hands of the villainous Vox usually leave out the parts where she’d been hurling personal insults at him for years. Myself? I thought that comment might be a bit over the line, but then again, Google search my name and see what the SJW’s have been calling me for the last few days. It is way worse that ignorant or savage, and I think I’m darker skinned than K. Tempest Bradford. I’ve yet to see any SJWs condemning those comments about me. Tolerance is a one way street with them.
I didn’t really know the guy that well before he started pissing so many people off, but having been character assassinated myself, I’ve learned never to take the internet’s word about somebody’s character. Having actually talked with, and then gotten into long arguments and debates with Vox, he is a contrarian, can be a jerk is extremely opinionated, but I honestly don’t think he’s a racist (He’s also not a white guy, but most of the people attacking him don’t know that). We’ve had some long, heated debates on different subjects now, but since I’m not a panty twisted liberal, I can handle differing beliefs.
We disagree about a lot. I disagree with him on some fundamental philosophy. His “rabid hateful” views on homosexuality match about a third of America, most staunch Catholics, and he’s far more moderate on the issue than any devout Muslim or average European villager. So I disagree with him, but he’s not the out there whackadoo his detractors make him out to be, but then again, these same people say I want to drag gays to death behind my truck, so take the hate with a grain of salt. He thinks I’m nuts on several topics, but the dude is smart, and he can write. As for the people saying he “bought” the awards… Holy moly, you’ve got no idea what his day job is. If the man wanted to simply buy votes, he’d be up for everything from Best Novel to Motor Trend Car of the Year.
So when I was putting together my slate and looking for ideas, I remembered his novelette that I read earlier that year. I was surprised by how good it was. I found it to be a really good story (it is actually about love and friendship, with a moral philosophy based on Thomas Aquinas, so not really what you’d expect from such a supposed hatemonger of hatey-hate). I plugged it to my fans earlier this year, which meant that a lot of them had read it as well. To be fair, it was only my second favorite work I read of that size this year, but that’s a tough one because I believe that Brad Torgersen is the best new sci-fi writer around. So I threw them both on the slate.
Yes, I will totally admit that I knew this would spur additional outrage. And oh, how I was proven right. His existence offends them. They aren’t going to read his work. They’re proud to admit it. In the spirit of the awards, a certain Tor editor—who has no problem marching with communists—is pushing for everyone to automatically vote No Award over Vox. Stay classy, noble Social Justice Warrior, but once again, there’s no bias.
The thing is, even if what these people say about Vox is true,(and I personally think it is as grossly exaggerated as anything else these people decide to attack) what they’re declaring is that assholes can’t make good art… Well, the entire history of art would like to disagree with you. Truly brilliant works of art have been created by people who are bat shit crazy. So now that it is nominated, how about you goose stepping morons try reading books instead of burning them?
The SJW contingent isn’t just outraged that these vile hatemongers are on there, but since I’m popular and I riled up a whole bunch of normally uninvolved fans, most of the stuff I suggested also wound up on there too. My other nomination for best novel was for Sarah Hoyt’s (a Latino immigrant woman) story with a gay male as its main PoV character and hero… It checks all their boxes! Oh, but wait… Sarah’s a libertarian and I only nominated A Few Good Men because it was a really good book and not for social justice. Only not as many of my fans had read that one yet, so it didn’t make the list. So much for that monolithic group think thing we’re supposed to have going on over here.
Normally, media tie in fiction, as in books relating to games, movies, etc. is considered contemptible by the WorldCon voters. Tie in writers are looked down on and sneered at by the literati. You’ve got writers who’ve written hundreds of books, like Anderson, Stackpole, or Zahn, with some of them being brilliant, but it would be a cold day in hell before some media tie in fiction got any respect at WorldCon. In any normal year a work of tie in fiction getting a nomination would be extremely controversial. This year it doesn’t even make a blip on the radar.
Peter David writes Star Trek novels, comic books, and other things. I saw a post from him lamenting how sad it was that a racist got on the ballot but tie in fiction can’t… Little did he realize that my slate pushed the excellent Butcher of Khardov by Dan Wells, which is Warmachine tie in fiction, and got it a nomination for Best Novella. As far as I’m aware, in the history of the Hugos this has never happened before… So you’re welcome, Peter. My “wrong kind of fans” broke new ground for you on the very same slate.
It has made me sad to see Dan Wells getting caught up in their hate. Dan is one of the nicest people I’ve ever met, and he’s a political moderate. I nominated Butcher because it is excellent. It is a story about a homicidal maniac that made me tear up at the end. And now the same people who despise me without having ever read my fiction are conspiring against this brilliant, creative, artist simply for the crime of being recommended by a bad person like me.
But there’s no bias…
I thought it was interesting that the Fanzine category, which is normally dominated by the same handful of groups year after year, taking turns giving each other the Hugo, is actually totally shaken up this year with new nominees… Because last year I demonstrated what happened when a creator simply asked their fans to get involved, so people did. And those little categories can be swayed by a couple dozen votes. Of course, those old Fanzines with their closets full of Hugos simply love me now. 🙂
Toni Weisskopf is one of the most successful and prolific editors in publishing. She’s edited some of the most successful authors in genre fiction, discovered tons of new talent, and runs one of the biggest sci-fi publishing houses in the country… Everybody in the industry knows Toni. The woman is brilliant. Yet did you know that she’d never gotten a Hugo nomination until I launched Sad Puppies? Back during Sad Puppies, some Fanzine (that had like 30 Hugo nominations) was offended by the uncouth barbarity of me asking my people (the wrong kind of fans) to get involved, but even they had to admit that Toni Weisskopf deserved a Hugo.
Meanwhile, the Tor editor who is cool with his followers organizing to vote No Award against the barbaric interlopers? Ten nominations. But there is absolutely no bias in the awards.
I actually got Marko Kloos nominated for the Campbell as well, but it turned out he had his first pro sale in 2011 so he was ineligible. I nominated him because Terms of Enlistment was a really good debut novel. So of my slate, I only missed a single category.
And as they scream and rail against me, this is what my fans accomplished while mildly amused and a little annoyed. Keep attacking us with crazy accusations and maybe I’ll do this again next year, only with more manatees.
Actually reading the books. Crazy idea, I know. The people warning others not to read the nominated works because of badthink. Good. They’re simply demonstrating that they are the small minded, bigoted, control freak, censorship loving, statists I accused them of being.
Now for everybody else who isn’t a jerk, I would encourage you to read the works for yourself and rank them accordingly.
Brandon Sanderson posted about this. Most of the WorldCon voters really want the Hugo to be about quality and art more than politics, and they take their voting very seriously. I agree with him. His fans are being attacked in some quarters as well because they are outsiders. I thought his response to this was very well reasoned. Brandon is a class act. I look forward to his inevitable mud stomping of me and the other competitors.
I actually had a Stross novel on my nightstand to be read when the announcements were made. I’ve read Mira Grant and think she’s a solid writer. I’d encourage anybody who signed up because of Sad Puppies to read and vote based upon the quality of the work.
Tor owes me. Now, in any normal year, the entire fourteen book series of the Wheel of Time, written over 26 years, by two different authors being nominated as “best novel” would be by far the most controversial thing about the Hugos. Instead most of the outragers are spending their energy praying Vox gets cancer.
You are welcome, Tor. Now please go down to Tor.com and tell some of your idiot bloggers to at least try and get their facts straight before they make shit up about me. And to that one junior editor who supposedly could only make it through the first 20 pages of Hard Magic, part of being an editor is finding sellable talent, and I’ve sold the hell out of this series in multiple countries now, so you must really suck at your job.
The rules allow WoT to be considered a novel, so it is there. I’d ask readers to judge the works accordingly. If you love the WoT, vote for it. But please, actually read some of it and don’t vote for it simply because Rand was awesome when you were in middle school. It is bad enough to be outnumbered 27 pages to one, but none of us can compete with 12 year old you’s nostalgia.
That said, my money is on Brandon. 🙂
The Actual Awards. To the morons who keep talking about how they wouldn’t “feel safe” if I attended WorldCon, you may untwist your panties. I’m not going. That’s the same weekend as GenCon, which is actually fun (and has an excellent writing track by the way). If I’m going to go all the way to England, it is going to be to play tourist around a beautiful country, not sit around being lectured on the dangers of cismale gendernormative fascism and neocolonial patriarchy.
And seriously, when you “feel unsafe” in real life you usually end up calling somebody like my average fan to come save you, so quit the drama queen act. It is annoying as hell.
I don’t expect to win anything, and don’t really care. I got my trophy as soon as the Social Justice Warrior contingent demonstrated to the world that they’re a bunch of hypocritical little fascists.
bravo. well said
Double bravo!
Dang…
I just recently started reading your books (Monster Hunter Intl) and had no idea of your political viewpoint. Having read up on this ‘controversy’ and your incredibly literate column above, I think I’m going to part with some more of my hard-earned cash and read more of you. And the authors you’ve recommended.
Congrats to everyone involved both left and right for being complete babies And injecting politics into a place it has no place being. Can you nut jobs (both Left & Right) sling mud in some other part of town ,
I’m guessing you missed the part where the left was already there. We just showed up for once.
I have come to this controversy late. All the comments I have read have been bashing the left and so called social justice warriors. Can any one provide links to sites from the left that demonstrate they were backing slates or bashing writers based on ideology. I figure I am only seeing half the story but in really don’t like the half I am seeing. Who do people classify as SJW anyway.
Its standard practice by the left. Equality based on diversity demands the process be controlled. For the left NOT to vote based on ideology would be rare.
“Its standard practice by the left.”: Proof by assertion. Arik asked for actual links. See if you can come up with something that might come close to WP:RS.
” To the morons who keep talking about how they wouldn’t “feel safe” if I attended WorldCon, you may untwist your panties. I’m not going. ”
OK, but do go next year and invite the true hardcore MHI fans to the shindig. We will dress up like we were going to a Monster Hunter convention in Vegas.
I would absolutely be down for that. Perhaps we should do something visibly hateful, like wear T-Shirts that were sold where most of the proceeds went to the wounded warrior project or something similar.
You know, just another pebble for their shoes.
I want to see T-shirts with “International Minion of Hate” on the front and a cartoon of a cowering snowflake about to be destroyed by a huge dude (or a – ahem – buoyant woman) with a massive flame-thrower.
How about “International Minions of Hate” over the picture of a cute puppy with “saving the world from puppy related sadness since 2013”
Wounded Warrior charity is a scam. 60% goes to administrative costs, a lot goes to running adds, and the money left over for charity s donated to other charities which then take their administrative and advertising cuts.
I use Charity Navigator for that. They have the ’12 fiscal year report up for the Wounded Warrior Project.
Program Expenses – 57.9%
Administrative Expenses 5.6%
Fundraising Expenses 36.3%
Fundraising Efficiency $0.23
Primary Revenue Growth 78.6%
Program Expenses Growth 62.9%
Working Capital Ratio (years) 0.93
OMG that would be AWESOME. I’m totally dressing up like a “sexy” internet troll. 😀
>sexy internet troll
So, something like Oderus Urungus, but with less codpiece and more exposure?
“Sexy internet troll.” I’m now having visions of Melvin the Troll from MHI wearing lingerie. Eek. I did not need that.
*shudders*
I would just like to say, that MHI is now to blame for far to many ‘Internet Troll’ appearances in my Shadowrun games. Damn you!
🙂
I’m fairly sure ‘Internet Troll webcam’ will break every players head.
muwahaha.
Well since Worldcon is in Spokane next year there’s no excuse for missing it!!
Oh yeah? *starts planning the road trip*
Really? I served my mission up there. Not sure this is a good time for me to go back, though.
On another note, Larry should let it be known that he’s attending the next one. It would probably keep some of the SJW crowd from attending (given how the guy is a ticking time bomb and all *cough* ), which would further depress the votes for their “message before enjoyment” tomes.
😛
They’ve be forced to drive their mobility scooters into the SAFE AREA whenever I came around.
Washington is a fairly “free” state when it comes to firearms.
I’d imagine a large influx of Monster Hunter types would have enough hardware to suppress any problems that would arise.
Safest WorldCon *EVER*.
Think of it: Hundreds of MHN members, wandering the Worldcon. Each their very own walking “trigger warning”.
I see SJWs vaporlocking left and right.. . .
Hmmm…I have relatives in Spokane – one of which was an Olympic track & field coach and “got” to meet Putin at the Moscow Olympics when Vlad was a young KGB agent.
Hour and a half from my house, might have to be the first con I ever attend. 🙂
I know you’ve given up on the idea of winning. But wouldn’t it be amazinng if you did?
Honestly, every author who gets any amount of success usually earns himself a few jealous enemies. Anyone nominated for any prestigious award has people who resent him. But you have gotten the brunt of something bigger than that. For some reason, it’s as though a law was passed exempting you from legal protections against slander and hate.
I’ve got to say I’m seeing real proof of liberal bias in the publishing community, and I wish more people would speak up about it.
There’s a point in that. If you’re feeling really vindictive, Larry, you might want to talk to a lawyer–some of the stuff directed at you might rise to the level of being actionable.
Keep twisting panties, Larry. You seem to be ticking off all the reight people.
“You seem to be ticking off all the reight people.”
I think you meant to type “reich” people. (snicker)
While I agree with your basic point, I find your examples unfortunate. I suspect Bloom is right (for once) about Rowlings.
I voted for you for two reasons:
1) Warbound was awesome and I’ve reread it twice (and listened to it once) since it came out. It deserves recognition. And an HBO miniseries.
2) I knew if you got nominated there would be dozens of popcorn worthy fiskings, Twitter fights, and awesome blog posts. And I already bought an economy pack of popcorn.
So, I guess that means I’m one of your hateful hatey hate minions.
Anyone know where the next World Con is being held?
Spokane in 2015, I think. I went to the last two, in San Antonio and Chicago, but I don’t think I’ll be attending them going forward unless they’re in the neighborhood.
Spokane.
And well said, Larry!
Mr Correia, no matter what I think of your politics or the way you express them, I love your books with a passion and believe you deserve a genuine chance at a Hugo. I wish you luck.
All that being said, and utterly fascinating and all, I hope you’ll keep writing so I can keep reading. I’m not a “fan” or part of “fandom” but I do like to read your work. Thanks for getting it out of your head and onto paper where I can more easily get to it… 🙂
Seen on Twitter: “For guy who calls himself libertarian he has a remarkably fascist ego.” Also, someone is under the impression his fans call themselves Sad Puppies. Comprehension fail reading basic?
SJW isn’t about fact. It’s all about feeling and correct thinking. If for any reason you deviate from the CURRENT WISDOM, you are a heretic and must be torched. Many current and former SJW’ers are finding that out now if they even consider to question the CURRENT WISDOM.
Remember: None Are So Blind As Those Who Refuse To See.
WTF is a “fascist ego”? I’m betting he/she/it simply wanted to use the word fascist so they could be one of the cool kids.
It does seem that those most like to use the word “fascist” are those least able to correctly define it.
“Fascist ego”: Failure to submerge one’s will to that of the Collective. Like John Adams, Reverend Wilberforce, Fredrick Douglass (bonus points for escaping from Democrats!), and that guy in Tiananmen Square.
@Lemming:
Those most likely to use the word “fascist” are those most likely to exemplify it.
First you turn your ego and your brothers’ egos into a bunch of sticks. Then your dad ties them together. Then you all jump up and down on them and try to break them, and fail, because of materials engineering.
And then some jerk from Italy comes and steals your dad’s perfectly good object lesson about sticking together with your bratty brothers, and names his thug political party after it — because stealing is what leftists and socialists do.
I know what a fascist asshole is, but a fascist ego is a new one to me.
An ego that likes knee high leather boots, marching, and holding one hand outstretched just a little too much?
Inigo Montoya would be most cross if he had to read Twitter.
“You keep using so MANY words that do NOT mean what you think they mean! Sheesh!”
Wait you say the W.o.T. has finally been completed?! Wow I gave up on it around book five IIRC.
I buy books I like to read, I’ve never made it through War and Peace a work that is called great literature, because it was boring.
It is always interesting how those who claim to be the most inclusive are the ones who are the first to attack those who don’t believe the way they do!
You know why Robert Jordan died, don’t you? It was because God decided that, one way or another, WoT was finally going to be finished.
/duck
Dude. Party foul.
Funny, though.
ROFLMAO!!
I think somebody ought to do a cartoon of all the WoT fans dead in the desert of Book 5. Because it seems like that’s where we all gave up.
It’s a shame if anyone stopped at book 5, because the scene at the end of book 6 was almost awesome enough in its day to justify the dragging parts of the earlier books. Nowadays, though, if you want a good fantasy action scene just read a Grimnoir book.
Larry, I have never read any of your books. But now I have to! Keep up the good work!
Clap Clap Clap.
What is the racial slur?
Wow, Kate Elliott said that? I’m disappointed. From having read a lot of her stuff, I kinda figured she was capable of better reasoning than that.
I’ve kind of gotten the impression that the SJWs believe White People (especially White Males) are the Adeptes Astartes and White Privilege is the God-Emperor of Mankind. It’s literally undefeatable!!!
I’ve got quotes from Elliott you wouldn’t believe. I scarcely believe them myself. Her Twitter feed in the No. 1 source of PC entertainment in SFF; and its daily. You don’t even have to research her feed – just open it up.
Undefeatable you say? Pshaw!!!
All i gotta say is….
WAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
@Fail: Oh no. I don’t think I want to, it’ll ruin my next rereading of the Crossroads trilogy. 🙁
@Bubbasrelm: See but they’re good little citizens of the Imperium that way! They may hate THE EMPRAH but they’ve totally bought into the state myth of his divinity! Versus actually not giving a damn, like the Tau or somethin’.
I’ll grant you they are good little citizens, but does that make Larry an ork? You know, heavily armed, wandering the universe looking for a good fight?
Aymeric –
“the French audience deserves to know you anyway, and I will hope you’ll be translated into French one day (if that’s not already done).”
Check the blog post prior to this one. It’s the cover art for the French edition of Warbound.
[T]he French audience deserves to know you anyway, and I will hope you’ll be translated into French one day (if that’s not already done).
It has been done: a French translation of Hard Magic is available here. Tell your friends!
As another non-American fan, I second what Laurie says. Liberal in Europe is a right-winger economically, as their aim is to liberalize the economy, which means less government intrusion in and control over it.
This post was everything I hoped for and more. They really don’t realize that you already won.
Everything is proceeding as Larry has foreseen. 😀
Thanks. I needed that image of Larry Correia in Sith regalia from SWTOR in my head.
It’s not pretty:
😮
I can see it, the mask covers up the goatee 🙂
I was thinking more along the lines of the Sith you run into on Quesh for the Republic planet quest. Tried to link to it, but maybe there’s a filter. Ah well.
Ahhh, I see. I don’t think I’ve ever had the patience to spend much time on Quesh. The planet’s too orange. I always just did the quick class quest and whatever was nearby and got out.
Halfway through reading this post, I said screw it and decided to turn internet arguing into a game of Bingo.
When they get desperate, disrupt their arguments by posting “BINGO!” Show the SJWs that you could set a clock to their arguments! And when you’re target of their ire, give them a sporting chance by taking a shot every time you check one off!
http://tinyurl.com/lxdgzbj
Sorry for using a tinyurl, but it’s a long, long url. =P
Are you trying to kill people through alcohol poisoning?! You evil, hatey hate-minion, you…!
Heck…that’s a great idea! Especially when “arguing” with the gun control bigots.
You’ll note Markely’s Law in there.
I originally had “Gun show loophole” and “Ninety percent of gun owners”, but I decided to focus on the Sci-Fi literati instead.
But, I went ahead and made a gun control version anyway.
http://tinyurl.com/khz6aed
While I recommended a drinking game for the last one, I feel only dread at the prospect of drinking to gun control cliches. Such a game would leave no winners, only survivors.
Dude!! Those are so far out the ballpark excellent I can’t even stand it!!
Sweet.
This needs to get printed out and brought to WorldCon. Can you imagine a group of MHI fans yelling BINGO! every few minutes? LOL
Do not try that at a WSFS Business Meeting. And that goes for the other end of the political horseshoe as well.
Heh. Ok, Kevin, just in case that “LOL” in there wasn’t clear- that was a joke. I highly doubt that any of Larry’s fans would be so rude as to interrupt serious meetings. We might be a silly bunch with a manatee as our mascot, but we’re not THAT socially inept.
Although that does make me curious- were you saying that the words on the bingo sheet get thrown around so often during one of your WSFS business meetings that you thought it might be a real possibility? That thought IS troubling.
I missed the LOL, and frankly, I’m not in a particularly good mood with the amount of bad attitude from both ends of the political horseshoe.
To be clear, I was addressing _any_ forms of attempting to disrupt the Business Meeting, by anyone or any group, not implying that there were any particular phrases being tossed around.
Well, I’m sorry you made that assumption. Maybe you should hang around for a while and get to know us a little better. Once you cool off and have some civil conversations, you might find that we’re not such a bad bunch.
Welcome to Monster Hunter Nation, Mr. Standlee. 🙂
Looking back at this craziness, I marvel that it’s been less than a week. In the long term, I fully expect more attacks on Larry. The “retrograde” attitudes of Larry and authors like him will be blamed for the decline in SF/F sales. Cons will have panels about the libertarian-conservative threat to the genre. Bloggers will call for Baen to be marginalized. Mark my words: it will get uglier.
Well, Baen works with communist Eric Flint…so I suspect they’d work with anyone who can write a good story. That would probably include a racist hatemonger. 🙂
And Misty Lackey, and Sharon Lee, and Steve Miller, and Stoney Compton, and Ryk Spoor… Yep. Look at those right wingers. (and I know I’m forgetting a bunch of others off the top of my head)
Exactly.
When Eric Flint and Mercedes Lackey are your right wing hate mongers, you’re probably doing leftism wrong.
Heck, C J Cherryh and David Gerrold were evil misogynist homophobes because they signed the Truesdale petition.
Tom, you know they also killed Snowball… err… Trotsky. The left eats their own with a viciousness that rivals their hatred of common sense government (libertarian-leaning constitutionalism).
Larry, you need to start recording your panels for posting here. Medium-quality digital recorders with stereo mikes are pretty cheap these days, but the expression on your co-panelists’ faces when you plunk the palm-sized device down on the table (and they realise they will have to back up their spew)… priceless!
The vast majority of panels I’ve been on have been awesome. Most panelists are great. That one was notable only because of how much it sucked. 🙂 The nutjobs who attack me never do it in person. They only “speak truth to power” across the anonymous safety of the internet.
Saying “I’ve been to the country. I’ve been to Connecticut” is like saying “I’ve been to other countries, I’ve been to EPCOT”.
I would pay real money to see a video of that panel…
And the Ringo “ambushing the feminist ambushers” panel from Ravencon.
SirBrass: True enough.
It’s hysterical though. You point out how they act just like Lenin and turn on anyone not pure enough for them, and they get all kinds of indignant. The cognitive dissonance with this group is just unreal.
I can’t believe I actually used to think like that. SMH
“I went full Conan on that one.”
I would purely love to watch someone “go full Agent Franks” on a nasty little panel of libprog troglodytes.Anything to make the mouthpiece on CNN start the 6:00 PM newscast with the words, “Holy Screaming S*it!!!”
If you come to V-Con next October, you shall never live in want of a cold beer, sir.
Thank you.
Wait Eric Flint is a lefty? Never once got that impression in 1632… cool.
*flynt… damn you no edit… damn you.
larry – it makes me wish I was there to see that, just like I wished I’d been in a position to see Ringo at that Ravencon he ended up writing an AAR on.
One notable tell in 1632 is that the rich executive is written as a mean, nasty, cold-hearted individual. In particular was his “stand-in for racism” attitude toward the locals surrounding the displaced town. Then, out of the blue, an excuse for that was generated in the sequel to allow for his rehabilitation. If that hadn’t happened, Flint would have been forced to write him off. Overall, though, Flint’s politics don’t generate enough baggage to become overburdensome to the story. And the excuse does work.
I thought Flint was a Trotskyite, not a Communist.
Don’t really care, even though I believe he’s farther left than I am right (and I think Rush Limbaugh is squishy sometimes and too authoritarian in other spots). Dude can write some STORY — I’ll pay dirty, capitalist money out of my OWN pocket for anything he writes.
Geo- Steve Brust described himself as a “Trotskyite”, though I’m not sure If he understands what that means.
Well the “orthodox” commies certainly threw out the Trotskyite “heretics” decades ago. Brust is another one whose politics I oppose, whose writing I love (and happily spend Imperialist Running Dog Yankee Capitalist dollars on.)
@Expendable Henchman
I only read the first one, still trying to get enough scratch for the next. it was good enough i want to throw out some money for it.
@junior
Totally missed the evil pig dog capitalist. Just thought he was a douche, but i can see your point.
Overall I can see it was there, but not at the level of message Fic for sure.
Besides, I’ve even argued in the past that for small groups, i.e. village to small town level, were survival is the overwhelming task at hand, communism can actually work(this was a thought experiment, not an endorsement).
This has taken on a life of its own.
Some entity named Athena Andreadis has opined that “Heinlein shouldn’t have gotten #HugoAwards THEN”.
Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein (a *55 year old book*, mind you) has an Amazon sales rank of 2,999.
The Other Half of the Sky edited by Athena Andreadis has an Amazon sales rank of 208,938.
Heh.
I repeat: Heh.
As Captain Pike discovered with the Talosians: “Wrong thinking is punishable; right thinking will be as quickly rewarded. You will find it an effective combination.”
Apparently this applies retroactively as well. I assume Pope Formosus can look forward to another cadaver synod as well at the hands of the SJWs.
To be fair, she seems to have a PhD in molecular biology from MIT, so her being actually stupid is right out. She also seems as pompous and self righteous as one would expect to flow from that. Her previous book is ranked at about 12 million. I didn’t know there were books ranked that low. We can take some solace in the near certainty that she will never breed.
I have to disagree. I went to Amazon and read an excerpt from her book. It took about three sentences to determine that, Ph.D. from MIT notwithstanding, she is actually stupid.
I DO, however, agree the “We can take some solace in the near certainty that she will never breed.”
(As an aside, I wouldn’t hire anyone with her disconnect from reality to work in any capacity in any area of science or engineering.)
Which book, C; her own on the biology of Star Trek or the one she edited?
The anthology she edited. The preview opened into what appeared to be a preface. It was typical hard Left cant.
Very true, Tom.
“Some entity named Athena Andreadis has opined that “Heinlein shouldn’t have gotten #HugoAwards THEN”.
How to demonstrate the irrelevancy of your little award in one simple step…
I think they’re just totally losing their shit. The argument all along has been that the Evil White Men were holding them back, yadda-yadda-yadda.
Now we’re in a world where self-published and small press books go head-to-head with the Random Penguins and Holtzbrinck offerings and (in some cases) rake in tons-o-loot, yet people still aren’t buying their works of genius.
That’s gotta sting.
You don’t think Athena Andreadis would actually READ something that challenged her preconceptions, do you? After all, that might start her on a path away from the Leftist fantasy world. Horrors!
The funny thing to me about all these people bitching about the “slate voting”, is that while, yes, I signed up and voted in this year’s Hugo nominations at your urging, I didn’t vote your slate. For one thing, I hadn’t read everything you suggested (though I did nominate most of the things that you suggested that I had read) and then in other places, I nominated works that weren’t anywhere to be found in your posts.
*shrug*
Goofballs, the lot of them.
They don’t seem to realize that getting liberty minded people to all do the same thing is sort of like herding cats.
I imagine that Larry Correia fans are remarkably hard to coerce. They’ll take your recommendations but if you tried telling us what to do, I don’t think you’d have very good results.
Actually, I beg to differ.
Herding cats is light years easier.
That “herding cats” mentality is also why conservatism hasn’t been able to build up a huge political steamrolling machine. We’re just too darn ornery to cooperate at times, even for our own good. We only manage it in relatively small groups. If only those small groups could just agree to work together at the group level and not fight each other, then we’d stand a much better chance of resisting the rapidly progressing cultural and political insanity that is rapidly falling on us (and has already fallen on government).
Mild correction: Like herding cats with thumbs.
Like herding cats with thumbs and guns.
So, so many guns.
The secret to herding cats is not driving them from unwanted places, but opening a can of tuna at the goal.
Works every time.
People (and cats) respond to incentives. Liberty minded people even more so.
Won’t work:
Vox offers a free WorldCon associate membership with every ebook sold. (the lefties would just buy his ebooks and vote against him)
Works:
Ask politely if people wouldn’t mind making Happy Jackals cry for $40. Yes, the tears are nectar to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ula8oi_M4Ww
@ correia45
All those liberty-heads must but a bitch to herd. Us non-liberty people well just tell us what to do.
Every group that isn’t mainstream seems to be arrogant enough to think they are they are so free-thinking and independent. It is fucking hilarious to hear you say the same thing I constantly hear from atheist. We are all just so god damn subversive it is hard to organize us (*cough* none of use give enough of a shit about this issue to really do anything *cough*).
As Steyn observed, “intellectual diversity on the left is increasingly indistinguishable from Tupperware night with the Stepford Wives.”
Belly laugh of the morning!
Wow…. I think that BBQ smell in the air is coming from some torched lefty ears. Awesome!
And fat fires are the most difficult ones to extinguish.
I think I’ve read all of your books, love them all. Besides enjoying your writing and being a “gun nut,” I enjoy you saying what you think, instead of toting some BS party line. Thanks for giving your comments. Look forward to meeting you at GenCon.
Hah. I started the Wheel of Time when I was 15. So there.
OK, now I’m pissed. All this talk about hardcore fans and not a single mention of tattoos. What do I have to do? :o)
Keep up the good work, I’ve still got space on the Larry Correia shelf in the library.
I’ve got like 50 fans who’ve tattooed my logo on their BODY… Why is it such a stretch to think that I couldn’t get them to vote in a popularity contest. 🙂
Because….um…racism and stuff!
They are still in denial, or they never even bothered to check the Kickstarters. Heck, I would bet a significant part of Rob Wells Indiegogo funding is your fans, although the Instalanche helped. Of course the Instalanche probably wouldn’t have happened if the Professor wasn’t a big fan. Almost 30 percent of the way there after five days.
I’m still going for the MHI tattoo title, by this time next year I will have three, four if you want to count my dragon…but that’s a stretch.
Stay frosty.
I’d be curious how many of them could do $100k of merchandising in a month… Naw… You guys are just imaginary. 🙂
You mean the logo of your work which I guess for you in synonymous with all your political beliefs aka your reputation.
On Amazon I’m usually sitting somewhere in the top 100 fantasy authors, but it goes way up when something new comes out. Highest I’ve been on there is #3 overall. In audiobook I do much better. I’ve got way over 20,000 reviews on Audbile and I’m still at over four and a half stars. 🙂
Totally not surprised. You’re one of the few authors whose pacing & style makes reading the book feel like I’m immersed in a *good* action movie.
Totally waiting to see MHi on the big screen. Like a good Marvel movie, it would be, only better. . .
Wasn’t Toni up for a Hugo last year?
Yep. Because of Sad Puppies 1. That was her first ever nomination.
And all she needs to do to get the blessings of some nobody to be anointed Hugo worthy is disavow you.
I don’t know Toni personally, but from what I’ve picked up, Satan will be ice skating at home before that happens.
Toni is a badass.
Kind of what I gathered. 🙂
You are horrible, horribly good!
Speaking honestly and plainly, I am not a big fan of Correia’s work. (Well, thats not true, I love his minis.) Not my speed. But, since this kerfuffle, I have made it a point to purchase multiple copies just to stick my thumb in The Right Peoples eyes. To date, all have been shipped to Afghanistan in various care packages, where hopefully they find readers and create more Corriea fans. And, my thumb isn’t sore yet, so I have plenty of stickin’ left.
That is fantastic. If all my negative reviews were that awesome I’d be a happy man. Thank you. 🙂
“… stick my thumb in The Left Peoples eyes.”
FIFY
“To date, all have been shipped to Afghanistan in various care packages…”
This is the best thing in this whole comment section. Good on you, mate.
One of Larry’s co-author is an active deployed military personnel in Afghanistan. His novels have been big hits with our service member world wide.
Dead Six, which I coauthored with Mike Kupari, came out while Mike was deployed to Afghanistan. He’s Air Force EOD, but he was attached to an Army unit on a small FOB just across the border from Pakistan. He did his first ever book signing on that FOB after we shipped him a case of books to give away. 🙂
Thank you for giving me another author to add to my list of ‘buy books from.’
Which book authored with Mr. Kupari should I start with, if I may ask?
Dead Six is the first book.
Thank you! I have just ordered it.
I think you’ll enjoy it. But — it ain’t subtle…
😉
While I enjoy your writing, James T is quite right about your minis. They are quite good. I suggest that the next time you do a fundraiser, you include a “Correia Custom Painted Miniature” at a reward level. You might be surprised how popular that is.
Thanks.
Though to further demonstrate what this original post was about, on Twitter a few months ago, I was being attacked by some caring type for something, and since nothing is off limits he scrolled through my feed, found a picture of a WiP of mine (a really good one by the way, got a 7 on Cool Mini) and said “Why’d you smear some shit all over that figurine idiot” That is what people like me get to put up with. 🙂
So you old cismale gendernormative fascist Lord Of Hate you, tell us what you really thank… 🙂
I know! Normally he’s so shy and retiring… 🙂
Agreed. I’m about the same. Lean left politically, and probably disagree with Larry politically, more than I agree with him. But yeah, after this I’ll be grabbing copies of his stuff to read and share with friends. I’ll vote with my wallet. Micheal Z. Williamson and John Ringo I both disagree with fairly hard politically, but I like thier writing immensely.
Hell, I’m libertarian and a huge gun nut, but I wouldn’t have nominated any of Larry’s books. I enjoyed them all, but they’re not what I consider award-winning level.
But the way the scifi blogosphere is reacting to this makes me hope he wins all the awards ever.
The thing about conscience, whether I agree with it or not, is that it won’t.shut.up.
It is told that Quaker Wm Penn had scruples about wearing the ceremonial sword that went with the Governor’s hat. The sense of the meeting was “Wear it as long as you can.”
I am NOT going to read the Wheel of Time — I made it halfway through volume 1 a long time ago. Blah. Tor cheerleaders are INSANE. Everything else will get a chance.
Did he evolve, or was he just lying before?
Speaking as a clearly impartial observer (wink, wink), I find it fascinating how the ‘evolution’ occurred mid-election, and the corollary declaration that he was ‘pro-gay-marriage, but gay marriage is a state’s rights issue so the Fed won’t be getting involved’ came out in January (if I recall correctly). It almost smacks of pandering. “Vote for me! I’m on your side!” [Promptly wins election] “Thanks for the votes! Oh, I’m on your side IN PRINCIPLE. Were you expecting me to do something about that? SORRY.”
@CombatMissionary
Oh, but did you hear some bullshit story about his kids going to school with another student with lesbian parents. At the highest level every decision couldn’t possibly be motivated by politics, lol. Yeah I think these ‘evolutions’ aka stopping the discrimination are complete political bull too.
OK, I’ll type in all caps so you’re able to actually read my response (although, as history has shown, likelihood of comprehending it is small):
MAKE ONE COGENT THOUGHT AT A TIME. MAKE IT RELEVANT TO THE THOUGHT YOU’RE RESPONDING TO.
Here we go again…
“Homophobic” means “unreasoning fear or hatred”. In other words, to feel about gay people the same way I feel about spiders.
Not approving of SSM, not approving of ordained gay clergy, being Catholic, being Mormon… is NOT homophobia in the same way that failure to appreciate the subtle genius of the man who thinks America has 57 states is NOT racist. Keep on abusing the word and it’ll end up in the same place “racist” is now: an in joke, and that’s all.
“Keep on abusing the word and it’ll end up in the same place “racist” is now: an in joke, and that’s all.”
Homophobic is a joke already IMO.
Hmmm…. I’m way behind on my reading already, but I guess it’s time to go buy a Larry Correia book. Gotta reward good behavior. 🙂
Ignorance can be so comical. That’s all this hate speech really is: ignorance.
Oh, wait, my bad. Ignorance is when you don’t know any better. Stupid is when you do everything possible to make sure you never know any better.
Thanks for explaining yourself at the end.
Aww, does the delicate little snowflake want a cookie? I’m sure your masters will be more than happy to award you one for commenting on a blog like a brave little man. There’s a good little sheeple.
Whoops, friendly fire with my last post. I didn’t know you were referring to the SJW whackjobs. Larry, please kill it.
He probably won’t, but it’s all good. 🙂
No forgiveness around here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIMrFpnfvyI
Like atheists sinning, you make a mistake, it’s carved on your conscience forever.
That last bit is the definition of “active stupid.” I always liked the Ringo solution to active stupid in a combat zone: shoot the sumbitch.
Yeah, I’m pretty partial to that as well.
The challenge is to figure out how to get the entire world declared a combat zone for a few months.
I’ve almost got my zombie virus perfected to only infect the terminally stupid, Give me a few more months Tom, and we should be good:)
If your virus will only infect the terminally stupid, there’s going to be a lot of vacancies in government office, and you may leave the blue cities in America looking like ghost towns.
Proceed at flank speed, sir!
Awesome! I’ll check the zero on my rifle in the mean time. 🙂
Why the devil didn’t we nominate Hard Magic, Spellbound & Warbound together?
I don’t know. After 8000 pages or so of hair tugging and descriptions of the draperies I just realized I didn’t give a damn about the WoT series any longer.
I hope that one of the points you and Vox disagreed on was women’s suffrage. I try like hell to give real consideration to opinions that differ from mine; this particular point makes me think Vox and I would not be fast friends.
But if he wrote a great book, give the man an award.
That “something” is called Baen Publishing ;). Oh, and there’s some smart holdouts still with Tor (*cough*JohnCWright*cough* and David Weber).
Tangentially, WHY is weber publishing his safehold novels with Tor, and the Honorverse with Baen? Why not just stay with Baen?
Because money. And who can blame him?
Spoils of the Egyptians, or Tor being sane — doesn’t really matter. Weber’s allowed to feed his household however he can.
As long as he has an editor for the remainder of the honorverse books. The repeated chapters from previous volumes has reached an unprecedented and intolerable high.
We should again remind everyone that Tor.com is a web site associate of Tor Books.
Made it through moderation, but I think I am now banned
See? If you were just a member of the Groupthink Social Justice Squad, you’d have more friends! 😉
Apparently you are an a**hat. I don’t know why they bothered with the censoring… https://twitter.com/eilatan/status/459395207357018112
Looks like you got under her skin enough for her to tweet about it, though. LOL
I was nice too and got blocked from commenting further after my last one. Those people are nuts.
Yet us militant right wing hatey-hatemongers don’t edit or massage our comments. Hmmm… Could it be that one side actually believes in free speech?
LL,
You couldn’t have been nice. You failed to agree with Natalie’s “speaking truth to power”, and therefore were impolite.
Our side just never gets the memos on this kind of thing.
Wow! That was incredibly offensive. She probably did a double-take between banning you and dialing 911. I love her web site; it arguably makes men on death row happy they’re not in the situation of that great bag o’ privilege droppings.
And your arguments are all bad faith arguments.
How in the hell old Natalie figures that is beyond me. They’re all valid questions. Why is it that all these other people can do it and it’s OK, but the second Larry does (and it works), it’s somehow a Jihad against all that the Hugos stand for?
Going back to Gencon? Sweet! met you last ,hope to catch more of your panels this year.
Larry has “spoken truth to power” or whatever the hell those leftists say.
Fisked sense at the insensible?
This is what I came up with when I did a google search on the meaning of the phrase: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_origin_of_the_expression_speak_truth_unto_power
That’s kind of the way I’ve always understood the phrase. Too bad the SJW’s have used it as a way to excuse their misandry. They’re not male bashing. Nope. They’re speaking truth to power.
The fact that I have zero power not granted to any other registered voter is irrelevant.
That’s my understanding of the “proper” use of the phrase. The Lefties still like to think of themselves as “Revolutionaries fighting the Evil Empire”. Unfortunately, they are closer to “Defenders of the Evil Empire”. [Sad Smile]
Just a note: I’m pretty sure that both Scalzi & Jim Hines have suggested to everyone reading their blogs to just READ the works, and vote based on what they think of things.
I don’t think there’s really a conspiracy to keep the right wing writers off the ballots in the past…. but I’ve got no problem w/ trying to get a few books I enjoy on!
You’re right, it’s not a conspiracy. It’s a boldly spoken agenda. Scalzi and Hines might not be directly involved, but the panty-twisting SJWs of no renown and even fewer morals sure are, and the links provided show you their own words.
FYI, I feel safer with you AT the con I attend, cause you’re probably packin’ heat. 🙂
Larry, there is nothing so satisfying as knocking a bee hive over and watching the little buggers go crazy. Good job, They deserved it.
Gary, I nominate you for a Metaphor Fail award. Bees pollinate flowers and make delicious honey. Plus they kill wasps, so they’re super useful.
Special Snowflakes kill sweet freedom and prevent the germination of free thinking. So they’re kind of the anti-bee.
Shame on you. ;D
The SJWs are annoying / preying on their own. Attacking Scalzi for suggesting people read the works, and vote on their own merit – heresy! I guess on the positive side, they are exercising their tolerance with equal opportunity and similar depth of thought.
Purges always end up with in-fighting and in-purging.
Well, that was some blog post, Mr. Correia. 🙂 I actually tried one of your books awhile back, but just couldn’t get into it and dropped it. But, your blog posts are funny as hell, so I’ll be picking up one of your books to give it another try.
Which book did you try? There some variety in the style and tone of his different series, so one may be more to your taste than another.
It was the first of the Monster Hunter books, I think.
Larry, you should totally do this again next year. However, you have a Manatee problem. Most Manatees aren’t as fiscally well off as Wendell. I propose you arm them with cost-saving specially-modified-for-Manatee-use armor-penetrating Russian battle rifles chambered in 7.62x54R. These Manatee-Nagants will allow your Manatee Minion Masses to hold fire superiority over even the most determined SJW mobs. They’ll pierce soft body armor and are available at a fraction of the cost of Dragunovs.
Manatees weigh about 1,300 pounds, according to the Googles. They could probably fire .700 Nitro Express on full auto. 🙂
That WOULD get spendy, though.
Wendell doesn’t mess around. Whatever he does, it won’t be pretty.
Will he have cookie monster as a side kick? CM going on a rampage because someone provoked puppy sadness would be…. justice for the puppies, I think :D.
@ SirBrass
Let’s not get ridiculous. 😉
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Larry Correia explains some of reasoning behind Sad Puppies and the controversy it’s caused in the land of SF/F. Personally, I think they tortured some interpretations in order to get Wheel of Time nominated (I’ve always been under the impression that definition was there for serialized magazine fiction rather than dictionary length novels). Because I’m a cheap ass, I won’t be reading hardly any of these nominees for a couple of years. But, congrats to all the nominees.
Vox Day is offering his nominee as a free download over on his site.
I never thought I’d ever give Scalzi kudos. I find him insufferable but he’s not an unhinged SJW nutcase trying to get us to take his First World Problems seriously. Good on him for being objective here.
Also, Tor has been dead to me for years, anyway. Their literary speciality seems to be in polishing turds and selling them as gold bullion.
There are a lot of good authors at Tor, and the guy who actually founded the company strikes me as an honorable man. But they’ve got some editors that are straight up crackpots. I’ve got friends who work for Tor (I bet they have to keep that secret!) and they were quick to let me know that Tor.com isn’t Tor the publisher.
Problem is Tor.com is the public face of “Tom Doherty Associates”, and it aint a pretty face.
Is there any way to backchannel the fact that Tor.com is costing the publishing arm goodwill and sales?
True — These days, I only buy a Tor book if I already know and enjoy the paticular author, because of quality issues.
With Baen, it’s quite the opposite — admittedly, I’ve bought some Baen stuff I didn’t enjoy that much. But by and large, I feel I have better odds picking a random Baen title I’ve never read by an author I’ve never heard of, over a book by an author whose other works I’ve enjoyed that’s published by someone else.
Baen simply seems to have a better crap/quality filter in place.
Meh, he’s annoying sometimes, but Scalzi strikes me as being a decent enough sort. I’m not surprised that he’s reacted the way he did.
Er, Scalzi wrote a novel-length piece of fan fiction then wrote a long screed AGAINST fan fiction. He is, at the least, a muddle-headed “thinker”.
Scalzi is the same guy who wrote an editorial from the point of view of a rapist talking about how much rapists support Republicans. “Decent enough” may be relative, but he’s got some atoning to do before he gets anything better than “crawling scum” from me.
Which is funny, since polling prison populations show that if they could vote, they’d vote democrat about 85%-90% of the time.
Oh, and republican women shoot rapists. 🙂
That rapist screed drove me off his site.
Epic.
I have been around you a few times Mr. Correia at various LibertyCons. I am a 5ft3in female, I have NEVER felt unsafe in your presence. The same cannot be said for some of the SJWs.
Larry didn’t strike me as rapey either but then again I am a 5ft10in male. Also the other commenters seem to be expecting me to to be a creep because I don’t agree with them politically. Apparently if you are asian I am supposed to stalk you or something, ah who knows.
If you are just shoot my ass, Larry will teach you for free to carry. Something about trucks and proving he isn’t racist. I could be an evil JSWs or the more sinister SJW.
Chlamydia, is that you? If so, no, you are not _supposed_ to stalk Asian females; you just do.
Right, so file him not under “Chlamydia” but under “limppecker,” yes?
Just go through that list, change white man to Jew, and it reads like a European eugenics conference of the mid 1930s.
Spittake trigger warning next time, please.
Oh, you tempt me so, to take an actual speech from those, change “jew” to “white male”, and submit it as a guest post to tor.com or the comments in some of these blogs… Who do you think would notice?
I think it would take awhile for them to notice. I don’t think they’re very self-aware in that area.
DOOOOOOO EEEEEEETTTT!!! #egging on! 😉
I bet if you were crafty you could pull it off. I can promise you would get it published in some SJW platform.
Hahaha. What’s with all the Portuguese all of a sudden? When did that happen? They’re always playing samba music and eating black beans and rice. I don’t like samba music. I don’t like black beans and rice. And they pronounce “R’s” at the start of a word like “H.” WHO PRONOUNCES “R” LIKE “H” AT THE START OF A WORD? UGH!!! Sylvester Stallone didn’t make “Hockey.” I’m worried SF might default to Portuguese. Do we really need an SF version of Captains Courageous – mebbe with Gatling guns… 20mm?
Actually that might be cool.
First it was Mormons taking over sci-fi. Now it is the Portuguese. I’m cool either way. 🙂
As long as you don’t start writing your books by first staring into a magic hat to figure out what to write, I think we’ll be good, Larry 😉 😛
When I contemplate all these people eating fish, I say to myself “Yipee!!! More delicious cows for me!!! …and no nassssty fishes.”
They’re eating black beans and rice to save the delicious carne asada for you. Be grateful.
Of course you can always have the buried-in-irony quote t-shirt from Tor.com blogger and post-binary girl Alex D. MacFarlane: “I suspect the ability to push boundaries and not cause hurt requires the pusher to not be a middle class white straight man.”
We white men don’t know how to push the right boundaries, obviously.
White men are more or less like apes…
…who lucked into things like inventing time-keeping at sea by oppressing their plucky slaves.
Well, obviously.
Because WE don’t have any functional brain cells that would allow us to invent anything on our own.
Certainly nothing useful, just time-wasters like interchangeable parts, steam engines, electrical generators, physics, and calculus.
Yeah. Piddely little stuff.
you guys forgot monster truck rallies.
How about “The Space Caliphate: All Your White Patriarchy are Belong To Us”? 😉
In other words, Larry played the left like a fiddle. Heh. I like that.
Big Boys Don’t Cry should be eligible for next year for novella.
Ha! I saw that Mean Girls comment as well. It’s strikingly apt.
That’s a shame you won’t read any Stross. The Laundry books (Jennifer Morgue and so on) are a lot of fun, in a scp-project kind of way. The Trade Wars books are really great too. Saturn’s Children was…boring, but still had some really great SF concepts to it. It’s more of the “art” sf that’s…boring, but stuff does actually happen and interesting ideas are explored (how to build surface cities on Mercury, for example).
Don’t fall into the same trap as the lefties. There’s a ton of really interesting stuff out there that you might miss.
I like Stross’s first three Laundry books (the third is my favorite). But something was off with the fourth book, and I was somewhat disappointed with it. Unfortunately, I can’t put my finger on what was wrong.
At the very least, people should read the various Laundry short stories that are available for free on-line (which I think is all of them except for the computer RPG short story that’s found in the back of one of his novels). You’ll never look at Santa Claus or unicorns in quite the same way…
^^;;
The problem with Stross (At least with his latest writings) is that it’s painfully obvious that he was bitten by a Christian when he was a child and he has years of vengeance fiction to write about it.
“I look on it more as making the lefties play the game by their own spiteful rules…”
Except then you’ve agreed to play their game, instead of the one you really wanted to play.
(I will avoid authors, or actors, who’s work I can’t dissociate from whatever dumb thing they’ve said or done. I try not to notice too much, though, and practice a certain amount of selective hearing as long as possible.)
Correction “Little Fuzzy”. What was I thinking?!?
I liked Stross just fine until his work degenerated into one long screaming atheist rant.
Yeah, atheist, I got it, can we move on? No? Really no? Again the ranting? After two hundred pages it got kinda old.
Its like he got big enough the publisher decided he didn’t need to be edited anymore, and once they let him off the leash he went completely apeshit.
Same thing happened with Ian M. Bank’s last book. Kind of a shame, I liked most other things he did.
I want to read McGuire because the synopses of her stuff appeal to me, but I cannot get through her writing. It’s very–I’m not even sure how to say it other than it reads to me the same way teenage-girl slice-of-life novels do, and I cannot connect with it at all.
I enjoyed the Merchant Princes books, until the fourth or fifth one. Then, he started bash the then vice president. Message took precedence over story, and I found a different place to spend my dollars. YMMV
Fuzzy Nation suffered by comparison to Little Fuzzy, because it was *radically* different than Piper’s story in feeling and purpose.
It’s as if someone rewrote Time Enough For Love and made W.W. Smith a Puritan and coward. Or the Vanderhoaxen version of Starship Troopers.
H. Beam Piper was also, by all descriptions of those who knew him, a true gentleman- and solidly opposed to collectivism. I don’t think he would’ve approved of either the treatment or the artist.
Buy ’em used, ‘migo. And make sure the authors know you did, andd know why.
“Here’s why I went out of your way to make sure you didn’t get a royalty from me…”
Public library’s another option.
Naw, don’t want to say anything at all to ’em. Saying that will get other glittery hoo-haas to feel sisterhood, and others will get motivated to send them money or buy books or something equally as society destroying.
To really hurt an author, let the tumbleweeds blow through their blog.
I’m reasonably willing to take one for the team, Wes, but, as Vox pointed out on VP once or twice, I’m even more hated by the left than he is…which is saying something. But note that “take one for the team,” above. I said it before, maybe here or maybe in FB: The _only_ reason to nominate me would be to clear the slate for someone else.
Yeah, Tom — if they found a copy of Vox’s work on their shelf, they’d call an exterminator, maybe wipe down with Clorox sheets.
If they found one of yours, they’d have to invent a secular humanist exorcism. . .
On the contrary.
See, the level of anger and bile that folks like you, Mr. Correia and Vox, uh, “engender” (snicker) is really unhealthy. By causing all the head ‘splody angst and bile we’re shortening their lives.
Since their lives are so miserable and painful we’re helping end their misery early.
Since they’re annoying (at least some of) “us”, ending their lives early puts them out of OUR misery.
So it’s a win win.
Well…wouldn’t that also be clearing the slate, William, as I suggested? 😉
It seems that the slate-clearing has already begun. Quote:
“Anyway: if Kratman really gets nominated, then I would lament, in a way that I have not been made to this year. Correia passes – again, for *me, ymmv – the plausibility threshold; VD does not but is at least trying to write and showing some minimal-pulse level of ability. Kratman’s stuff is both utterly reprehensible *and* completely void of any storytelling or language-manipulation ability. Yeach.”
http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/015838.html#2242499
Quick work, Colonel. 😛
“Kratman’s stuff is both utterly reprehensible *and* completely void of any storytelling or language-manipulation ability. ”
Whoa, whoa… we can discuss the relative (de)merits of writers like Corria, Scalzi and this Vox Dei fellow y’all are talking about… but the Kratman comment is spot on. Isn’t he the guy who wrote “Caliphate” (my apologies if I’m wrong)?
“forced to drive their mobility scooters into the SAFE AREA whenever I came around.” Thanks for laugh of the day. What a great visual. Demographics are changing around here in SoCal and it’s sad to see all the young people who can actually walk being ignored and put down by the Scooter Store crowd.
Remember, Larry, this sage advice: When the game playing of the simple-mined wears your patience thin take a few minutes and look at your bank accounts and smile.
“Smile”, hell. He probably shakes the roof from rolling on the floor belly-laughing himself sick…
I hear ya. All of the Hugo hooha aside, I never thought I’d see the day when people were encouraged to read or not read an author based on the author’s personal beliefs. The idea is absolutely ludicrous. What person agrees 100% with another? No one. Therefore, if we all followed such a system, no one would be able to read.
They’d be cool with that. Most of those people don’t sell many books anyway. 🙂
Er. Good point.
Well, I can’t speak for everyone on this side of the aisle, but as for me, I’ll tell you who I think you should read. Anyone who writes a good story.
Politics be damned. I’ve got a couple of writers I won’t buy, not because of THEIR politics, but how they’ve derided mine. However, I won’t tell anyone else to not buy their stuff.
I have exactly one author I won’t read because of her personal beliefs. She was the first person to suggest such an idea to me with a straight (virtual) face. Yes, she’s one of those SJW people. I thought banning her from my reading list was poetic justice, but I don’t actively campaign against her works. My mother raised me to have better manners than that.
Same here. I’ll mention the name, but usually among other people who aren’t buying his stuff in the first place. However, like I said, I won’t say he can’t write. He certainly can. If he had been a bad writer, I’d probably never have bothered to find his blog and see what he thought of people like me.
I like Flint’s stuff too. Despite his politics, he tells stories that appeal to me. In part, it’s probably because he knows that his politics don’t have any place in a good story.
Loved the Belasarius series the most, but I’ve liked some of his other stuff too.
See? We right wing types DO read non-right wingers. We just don’t want to hear how left wing they really are in stories that are supposed to be about entertainment.
[…] Via sci-fi author Larry Correia: […]
So this was brought to my attention. On of your fans tries to use reason and logic and is banned and later made fun of on Twitter…
http://radishreviews.com/2014/04/21/do-i-dare-disturb-the-universe/#comment-31283
https://twitter.com/eilatan/status/459395207357018112
I usually try to stay clear of this shit but The Other Rick’s comments are so far from “trolling” that I felt his valiant effort deserved to be pointed out.
Way to go, Rick. 🙂
And what the hell is a “bad faith” argument?
Badthink is bad. Shrug. Ms. Luhrs can return to her panel moderating and minor cons and romance novel editing.
The argument here is that trolling is the only possible reason anyone could nominate any of the books on Larry’s list. The books are so self-evidently bad (because, penis! and right-wing!) that no one could possibly nominate one of them in good faith.
Once again: judging from sales figures, Jeff Bezos must be in on the conspiracy, ’cause it sure looks like a lot of people have laid out their cold, hard cash to read these supposedly terrible books.
SJW types project a lot.
Well, to be honest, SBP, some of us HAVE bought multiple copies of the same of Larry’s work. . .
I’ve worn out a copy of MHI already, and I had to buy a loaner copy, so even if loaned out I still had access. . . {grin}
re: Geodkyt I’ve personally bought all of the books written by Correia multiple times, albeit electronic form. It’s cheaper than booze (and I don’t drink). So I buy them in Baen library format, Audio Book format, and since I’m impatient, eARC. So Larry, when is Nemesis audio book release date?
Usually, imputing bad faith is meant to discredit the speaker’s argument on the grounds that the speaker does not actually hold that position (i.e., is trolling, a practice once referred to as Tartuffery).
The desired further implication seems to be that no thinking person would genuinely possess the frame of mind required to ask questions such as Rick’s unironically. Who is the Tartuffe now?
I think what it really means, as used, is “he’s being a big meany and I can’t respond so I’ll just blame him and ignore these uncomfortable questions”.
Fun quote of the day:
“Natalie Luhrs @eilatan 2h
“@katsudonburi I’ve never worn a corset–in part bc I would have to get one custom bc I am SUPER short-waisted.”
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Is “I am SUPER short-waisted” code for “it would look like someone shrink-wrapped a tube of cookie dough”?
Wow. My favorite bit about that? She couldn’t even answer any of his questions. Just banned him. Because SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP!
We’re dealing with some intellectual heavy weights here. //eye roll//
“We’re (un)wanted men. I’ve got the ban sentence on twelve SJW systems!”
Nice.
Damnit Combat…
I had forgotten what soda in the nose feels like.
Sorry, can’t help myself. It’s just my ADD-riddled impulsivity.
*Victimhood flag hoisted*
*New skill level UNLOCKED!!!!!!*
😀
Having wandered around the ‘net for a few days reading posts about this, I’ve started wanting to leave comments that are simply “Hail Hydra!” on most of their boards. Since that seems to be the sort of world they want to promote, they should be acknowledged for it.
But only the good Soviet Russia Hydra is to be acknowledged. The evil Nazi Hydra is to be ignored.
I appreciate that very much, John, however the manatees are on our side. We don’t want to sacrifice them. Most people are unaware of the extremely free market, pro liberty nature of the noble manatee.
That and I stuck one in a funny short story, where he helped save Christmas, so Wendell was an obvious choice for spokesman for my campaign. 🙂
So they’re Scottish manatees? 🙂 (That’s probably a joke only philosophy nerds will get.)
Turns out Adam Smith was a quarter manatee on his mother’s side. No joke.
John, I am willing to dance around a manatee–a live one, mind you–in Larry’s honor…but the Princess never will. Alas, she is too fastidious.
As to Mr. Correia’s books, I am all for it.
Very well. When you are elected to the post of divine Godking by the Forced of Evil, we will spare the Manitees. I propose sacrificing Vegans instead. This can either be intelligent life forms from the planet orbiting the star Vega, or Earthlings who do not eat meat, milk, or eggs. Your choice.
If it’s someone/thing on the *other* side it’s not really a sacrifice, now is it?
And by the ‘Patriarchy’ of course I mean the government of the bellicose catlike aliens of 61 Ursae Majoris, of course
Shouldn’t that be “Petriarchy” then?
Hell, at this junction, I’ll buy the 3 books in your favor format and ship it to you. I’ve bought enough of your book already (currently reading Golden Age).
Jim, I try to read all my comments.
Thank you for posting over there. People like you are exactly who I did Sad Puppies for. I wanted to demonstrate what I’d personally witnessed so that everyone could see.
And your user name? My wife is from Milpitas.
I was thinking, which Milpitas? ’til I Googled it, and confirmed there is only one of us, or at least only one G can find. (I’ll admit to only looking at maybe a dozen pages of results before giving up 🙂 )
Embarrassing how many years I’ve been here, and never realized it had a unique name. I’m thinking that’s not a common status in the US.
So, did you drag her out of here, or did she run on her own? 😀
We’re both from California, but met at Utah State. Been here ever since.
@Will:
I think she’s a white wimmenz, which means that the filthy hispanic stole her. He also stole the some writer’s job.
Upon reflection, after comparing sales numbers, he stole the jobs of a many hundreds of message fic writers. They’ve been ‘outsourced’.
They forgive him, though, since by writing good stories, he’s doing a hard, dirty job that they won’t.
I remember it well… There I was, hanging out in the Home Depot parking lot when Toni Weisskopf pulled up in her pickup and said “I need two guys who can do tile and a novelist.” I hopped in back and have been taking their jobs ever since. 🙂
Portagee migrant authors — taking work Americans won’t do!
@Correia45. Yeah I remembered that your wife was from here> I know her Dad. and met you out here one time, I was the guy without the pen. 🙂
At some point, they have to realize that their uproar is counter productive. For instance, Clamps was a moron, but I never would have read Vox, John C. Wright (Awake in the Night Land is awe-inspiring), or a handful of others without his Crusade Against Evil here and on other blogs.
So, Clamps, SJWs, please, by all means, tell me what I shouldn’t read and think. I need more reading material and your negative endorsements have turned out to include some really good reads.
Clamps/Yama/Andrew Marston is the literati poster child. I should have dedicated this whole campaign to him. Sadly, he’s voting against me. So I’ve lost the creepy stalker sex offender vote.
Ah, darn.
Gosh, if I’d known that Yama had the power to generate free publicity by the sheer force of stupid, I might not have banned him from my blog.
Larry, Vox Day devoted 2 pages to emulate Clamps/Yama/Alauda/Andrew Marston in his novel A Man Disrupted. I think it was harder to write that block of text than the rest of the novel.
Yama’s kinda responsible for my finding out about you, and if it hadn’t been for him, I’d never have discovered your L5R writings, and then from there, your books, which are such delightful reading. If he hadn’t been sneering about you, I wouldn’t have your stories to read!
So, I guess he’s done at least one good thing in his life?
I know about the creepy stalker part – the sex offender tag is somewhat new to me. o_o
Maybe Clamps should come with his own trigger warning? 😀
Our very existence is a trigger, I’d guess. There would be waaaay too many warnings to issue – and rather than read ‘Warning, Correia trigger!” or “T.L Knighton trigger!” or Shadowdancer trigger!” ad nauseum, I’d much rather read a new post or L5R story ^_^
“Correia Trigger” sounds catchy though.
Actually, I was thinking that some script should be written so whenever his IP address shows up, WordPress put text at the top of the post. Something like:
Trigger warning: Strange stalker behavior and possible mention of fish semen.
I like this idea – a warning to the readers that he’s around, seething in silence, glaring at our merry conversation…
But a poorly executed script might open vulnerabilities, and given the various WordPress CVE emails I’d been spotting lately… *sigh!*
So, we agree that a trigger warning for Clamps’s presence is good. It’s the execution we need to work on. 🙂
Certainly a library of randomly chosen trigger warning descriptions might make it (more) amusing.
Alas, writing scripts or coding anything beyond basic HTML font and paragraph markup is not one of my skills…
I actually bought a book once because of the trigger warnings. It had things ranging from “paganism and the occult” to “cohabitation of a non-married male and female couple” and a few others that were just hysterical.
Reminds me of the person who thought “Libertarian gun porn” was a negative review of Michael Z. Williamson’s Freehold.
Holy crap. Monster Hunter International would have caused an aneurysm.
For me, a review like that ranks the book as a “Must Buy!”
….those things need trigger warnings now? *boggles*
Well, in all fairness, it was pretty clear the warnings weren’t to be taken seriously.
Sadly these days it’s difficult to tell.
Yep.
I have thought about putting out “Trigger Warnings” based on me having Asperger syndrome (which is true).
Said trigger warnings would be things like “Warning I don’t suffer fools lightly. If you’re a fool I will attack you.”.
The problem is that I think somebody would take me seriously. [Sad Smile]
This had so much mundane stuff, like “failure to use proper safety equipment” that it was pretty obvious.
If it wasn’t meant in humor, then I want to blow up the world.
A Trigger Warning for Clamps/Yama/Andrew Marston? WARNING: These spammy blog comments may contain stupidity, ignorance, obliviousness, really pretentious bad fiction writing, drool, all from a creepy stalker of Asian women. 🙂
And fish semen. Don’t forget about the fish semen.
I’m sure that’ll be very comforting to 6 of the 12 who live in the UK.
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Not sure what that’s about.
In any event, US laws can’t protect UK residents. But at least you have the opportunity to get hold of books that might otherwise be withheld from release in the UK due to the lack of proper free speech protections.
It’s worse than that. You don’t even have to publish in the UK, it just has to be available. ISTR that the definition used of “available” was “a copy has been imported”.
Yeah, UK Libel laws are atrocious. See the case of the British Chiropractic Association v Simon Singh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCA_v._Singh ). Fortunately, Simon won, but at the cost of many thousands of Pounds. I recall hearing there was a movement afoot to change those laws, but apparently that’s not happened yet.
Now watch someone make a criminal complaint in the UK against Loncon and the Hugos because they are allowing the works of such a notorious racist evil hatemonger on the ballot!
Well, they have no quotes against Correia, which is why they so rarely use them, preferring instead libel and slander, which are also much easier to prosecute in the UK than the US. Several times I’ve seen Charles Stross mention he’s not going to get specific on his blog about a given UK dust-up for that very reason. It’s different in the US – a free-fire zone.
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Larry’s latest on the Hugo hatcheting.
I have to wonder about the people who “wouldn’t feel safe” — have they ever been to an SCA event? Everyone has a knife, many of the people there are trained in how to use them.
Yeah. Standard SCA joke: “Anybody got a knife?” – followed by belt knives being unsheathed by 20-30 people within hearing range, offering to be helpful.
Avoiding the over-reactions of modern-dress visitors who happen to be SJWs is a major reason for most SCA events to encourage only those who are willing to dress the part and go along with the culture / site rules.
Alan —
My ex-wife got a similar response from some DC-based corporate types when someone asked for a knife, and she whipped her “dressy knife” (a small, flat assisted opener) from her bra strap and snapped it open.
Apparantly, there are some people who leave their homes feeling fully dressed without carrying the most basic of paleolithic tools with them. . .
That’s hilarious! You think SCA is real combat training…
Pretty left leaning guy here. Reposted this on FB, with a comment along the lines of ‘If it really is about the art, Larry’s got a point’. Read the books, make the decision based on the book. I read plenty of books from folks I disagree with politically.
I think you meant “gender-normative”. Sigh 😉
Nope. It is Gendernormative. No hypen. Or at least that is how it was used on me as an insult. Think of it as a Buckminster Fuller style word smoosh. 🙂
All languages borrow from one another. English follows other languages down dark alleys, hits them over the head, and rummages through their pockets for loose grammar. When that doesn’t work, English will just make crap up.
Now, you didn’t Need to reference Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, but damned if it didn’t make that post better
I hope Wheel of Time doesn’t win. I thought the first book was good. The second was OK. Couldn’t finish the third.
Couldn’t stand WoT either, but was forced to read through them at gunpoint. The series got good once Sanderson started writing.
Any how, people buy them and love them, including my friend with the gun. They don’t buy stuff I write.
Yet.
I only heard about the kerfuffle today, and frankly wouldn’t have blown $40 to get involved in it anyway.
But i paid for and own all three Grimnoir books, (and all your other books) and think they absolutely rock. So I guess I’m a rightwing hater of hatey-hate hateitude too.
(and on a personal preference note: Thank you thank you for writing a kick-ass trilogy with a beginning, middle and end rather than writing an X-number-of-books series into the ground, as seems common in the Baen universe.)
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Something I just noticed. Didn’t Mike Resnick get virtual-lynched for using the term “lady editor” (among other things) in the SFWA Bulletin recently?
One of the nominees is “The Lady Astronaut of Mars”, by Mary Robinette Kowal. LADY Astronaut.
Isn’t that badthink on her part or something?
… but it’s THEIR ‘Lady Astronaut!’ Not one by the Minions of HateyHate. So it doesn’t count as badthink.
Because doublestandards. And by a WOMAN. So there! …or something.
(and every single time I try to write something up that sounds like the gibbering mob, it hurts my head to try think even a bit like they do. )
I’m the exact same way.
Yeah, you gotta be careful not to crack your brain. Or contort so much you sproing your corpus callosum.
This is… a very long post.
It has been a very long culture war.
“Cisgendered” means, as I understand it, to be born of a certain gender (male or female), happy with it, no sexual/gender/identity confusion, and remains as such.
Or, short version, born with a penis and likes it/born with a vagina and likes it, and stays that way.
Damn, that’s weird.
denoting or relating to a person whose self-identity conforms with the gender that corresponds to their biological sex.
Yep, it means “normal”.
Yep, that’s the problem in a nutshell. If we’re normal, we should be ashamed of being normal. [Sarcasm]
And if we’re not ashamed of being normal, it is ok to hate us. Which is what we see happening.
Word have actual definitions you know, including words like “normal“.
On the other hand, writing poems that suggest “libertarian” = “Nazi” is perfectly okay. Because that’s not at all insulting.
Right?
” a white, male, cisgendered, heterosexual, English-speaking American.”
I’m a person, myself.
Of course it’s insulting. See the saying that a proper English gentleman is never unintentionally rude.
People who are deliberately insulting are “asking” to be insulted back. Is that the world Liberals want? Do you really want a world full of hatred because that’s what Liberal insults seem to creating.
I’m going with ‘anyone just like 98%+ of the population is normal.’ While I have no doubt that some people are offended by the word meaning what it means and not what they /want/ it to mean, I’m not losing any sleep over it.
“You define yourself as “normal” and everyone else as abnormal.”
Sorry, no, we don’t, and it is extremely ugly of you to make that accusation. No one has said anything negative about “abnormal” at all. Only that “normal” should be allowed, too (and in SFF, that’s hardly going to be “normal” anyway).
I am sick to death of people like you accusing me of beliefs I do not hold, based on no evidence whatsoever, only your own prejudices, in order to allow yourself some manufactured outrage. Do you feel all superior now? Are you really that petty?
Petty? I reacted angrily to the dismissal of an actual value-neutral term (“cisgendered”, which is the opposite of “transgendered”; “cis-” and “trans-” being antonyms) with a loaded term of “normal,” implying everything else as “abnormal,” which is generally a negative term. I’m sorry, but that dismissal infuriates me, because I’ve seen just how much harm it causes to the people who don’t fall into those nice little “normal” buckets.
Proper English gentlemen don’t lie.
Other than that, great point.
It is a lie, Kevin. You’re not stupid. You know that it’s a lie.
It’s a lie no less reprehensible than claiming that Jews make matzo out of the blood of Christian babies.
You’re comfortable calling people who do stuff like that “your side”? Really?
I guess I’m going to have to revise my previous statements about accepting your word.
And because the replies are so intertwined, I’m going to have to post that again with the quote to which I replies included because it’s probably impossible to figure out its context.
Can you write that again with the reference replacing “It”? I honestly couldn’t figure out what you were saying.
” that dismissal infuriates me”
There is no dismissal of anything here, no matter how much you need this to be so. And you do need it, I think. Again, manufactured outrage, allowing yourself to hate, even if what you hate exists only in your head. There’s a word for that. It’s “bigot.”
Perhaps you are tired. Perhaps you’ve been listening to the bigots on the other side too much – and they are bigots. But right now, I’m beginning to question your assertions of honesty, if you are this dishonest now.
Would I be right in assuming that you are a cisgendered person yourself with no personal knowledge of any transgendered people? (I’m not talking about seeing them on TV or on the internet.)
Would I be right in assuming that you are a cisgendered person yourself with no personal knowledge of any transgendered people? (I’m not talking about seeing them on TV or on the internet.)
Sir, your assumptions and biases are remarkable.
How about, with all your talk of sensitivity and appreciation of diversity you try avoiding the assumption of a monolithic culture “over here?” Do you think you could see your way there?
Or is it necessary to reduce any apparent opposition to a simple stereotype in order to bolster your sense of truth and honor?
Equating libertarians with Nazis. That’s a lie, Kevin.
Let’s see… so far we’ve had you defending political blacklisting and Goebbels-style Big Lie tactics. I’m really curious to see just how far a “man of honor” will go down that road.
“Would I be right in assuming that you are a cisgendered person yourself with no personal knowledge of any transgendered people?”
No, you would be utterly wrong – best friends and family, and many dead of AIDS in the 80s.
You really are a bigot, aren’t you?
Okay, you don’t have the excuse of ignorance. Sorry.
And thus he attempts the Kafkatrap.
@kastandlee
Odd, you hear the word “normal” automatically think “abnormal” about people who don’t fit in as “normal” and somehow it’s other people’s fault?
Exactly.
Everyone’s abnormal in some way. Personally, I’m ADHD and dyslexic (big fun for a writer). Those are abnormalities.
How someone views the term “abnormality” tells us a lot more about themselves than the people pointing out that it’s not normal much of the time.
“Yeah, I don’t think most libertarians are actual Nazis”
So some are, you’re suggesting? Names? Quotes?
“I at least am not anonymous”
Well, Kevin, your “honorable” friends don’t want to blacklist you, now do they? That’s what they’re doing to people, you know. Teresa Nielsen Hayden has admitted it, in public.
Patrick Nielsen Hayden has published, front and center, a poem that suggests libertarians are Nazis. He’s not stupid. He knows it’s not true, just the same as you do.
“The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.” — Ralph Waldo Emerson
Nope. Statistics; lots of people, lots of opinions. Some of the far left are authoritarian Communist-types. Some of the far right, libertarian-identified people are Nazi-types. In no case are they hugely significant numbers of people though.
You can’t name any but they just have to exist, is that it?
So, basically you either made it up or are mindlessly repeating others claims without any substantiation.
So, anybody want to invoke The List on mr. “kastandlee”‘s posts?
“Okay, you don’t have the excuse of ignorance. Sorry.”
Excuse for what? You’re the one making vile accusations with no evidence. The only person who has brought up anything about anyone being anti-gay is you.
Bigot.
Anti-gay? Hardly touched on it. Sexual orientation and gender identity are different things. But if you want to put it in those terms: There was a time when the perceived antonym of “homosexual” was “normal.” I’d like to think we’re past that now, an that “heterosexual” isn’t perceived as an insulting term of some sort. Similarly, the opposite of “transgenered” is more appropriately “cisgendered,” not “normal.” That’s what got me riled up.
“Some of the far right, libertarian-identified people are Nazi-types”
Nazi means “National socialist” – and Nazism is a form of socialism. Hitler hated capitalism and the free market, and everything was under government control. That’s the opposite of libertarianism.
“So, anybody want to invoke The List on mr. “kastandlee”‘s posts?”
Well, we’ve certainly got Disregard inconvenient facts and Make Shit Up. Would groundless accusations of anti-gay count as Racism?
@Laurie: You are impure for using doubleplus ungood terminology. Confess! Confess! *eyeroll*
Though it’s interesting how he is the one who uses “abnormal” to define “not normal” and presumes everyone else does and does so in a negative context… like he does. Yet it’s those icky awful people who don’t use “cisgendered” and other buzzwords who have problems.
“cisgender” is jargon used by a couple of specific ingroup, consisting of transgendered folk, feminists, their allies, and the academics that study those issues.
Having an ingroup apply a jargon label to an outgroup, and then become offended when the outgroup doesn’t accept the jargon label and use it to refer to themselves is absolutely absurd.
*quantitatively-abnormal-but-value-neutral
“There’s no problem”? Actually, those sorts say that there’s a problem but the problem is with “normal” people. [Sad Smile]
Being left-handed used to be considered “abnormal,” rather than just being part of normal human variation, and left-handed people were subject to “correction” sometimes rather nasty. And that wasn’t very long ago, either. It was effectively the use of the power of the state (working through the public schools, because that was the most likely place for such coercion) to “cure” people of their deviant behavior of being left-handed.
Being left-handed used to be considered “abnormal,” rather than just being part of normal human variation, and left-handed people were subject to “correction” sometimes rather nasty.
I wondered if you’d say that. The clear difference is that other people felt that left-handedness was qualitatively abnormal, and tried to change left-handed people; with transgendered people, they themselves feel that something is amiss and want to be changed.
You can’t say on the one hand that there’s nothing wrong, and on the other hand want to remediate it.
Therefore “right-handness” should be considered bad. [Sarcasm]
kastandlee said: “It was effectively the use of the power of the state (working through the public schools, because that was the most likely place for such coercion) to “cure” people of their deviant behavior of being left-handed.”
You want to experience some “power of the State working through the public schools” kicking you ass, you should try having a helping of Asperger’s syndrome. That’s a whole lifetime of people fucking with you because you “don’t act right”.
Talking to me about “normal”? Check your trans-privilege at the door, baby.
*bleak look* I know more about this than you would likely be aware of.
It’s wrong to do that to people with Asperger’s. It’s wrong to do that to left-handed people. And it’s wrong to do it to trans people.
I note that I have not named any “it” that would be substituted into “do it to trans people”. I was discussing what transgenderism vs. normalcy, not any specific actions.
“By the way, if you ever want to see a school full of teachers turn into drooling zombies, announce that they have “standardized test” training at a faculty meeting.”
Ooh! Larry, here’s a scene you need to put into your next book.
Very late to the party with this, but I think it’s relevant to what Larry’s been talking about. From the angle of a past triple-nominee.
http://bradrtorgersen.wordpress.com/2014/04/24/fear-and-loathing-at-the-awards-table-3/
As a bonus, famed Vox stalker and creepy crappy writer Clamps has decided to, um, “grace” you with his presence.
He’s using the handle Alauda. Lets just say this individual is a known stalker of women in his hometown.
So this is Clamps, eh? Interesting.
We’re all neocons now 🙂
The only good that came from that was I learned a previous head of the Republican Liberty Caucus was a big fan, saw that, said there was no way in hell I was a NeoCon, and claimed me as a Liberty Republican.
Because seriously… I could hang out with Mike Lee, Rand Paul, or Ted Cruz. I don’t think I could hang out with John McCain or Karl Rove.
The only true thing about ‘neocon’ is the ‘con’.
,(and I personally think it is as grossly exaggerated as anything else these people decide to attack)
Although this is usally true, I think in this case they are not exaggerating based on what Beale has actually writen.
Now, I do suspect that Beale is doesn’t actually believe half the stuff he claims to, but is merely interested in blog traffic, but that’s not something that I’m in a position to prove
As, given all those descriptors that have been heaped upon you, I think those morons are conflating you and Beale.
Oh wow, this’ll leave a mark. From a fellow named Jake Freivald:
“If you’re not watching the Hugos this year – and why would you? They’re normally a popularity contest among people who think they can understand how alien species would think when they can’t even understand how people from their own culture think — you might just consider paying attention.”
Whoever Jake is, he owes me a keyboard. 🙂
Forgot the link: http://jake.freivald.org/wp/hugos-correia-vox-day-conservatives-sad-puppies/
Jake is a very cool guy…with nine kids.
Heh. I guess after you have 4 or more, the number of children you have suddenly becomes your identity.
“That’s Janice. She fought in Iraq, Turkey, and Afghanistan, was on the intelligence team that got Bin Laden, she won 6 gingerbread baking contests in 4 different states, AND SHE’S GOT NINE KIDS.”
Guaranteed response is -“NINE KIDS!?”
Book: YES. 🙂
Thanks for the mention and kind words, Wes and Yagi.
@Book;
Fought in Turkiye? Any chance of explanation?
No, Jake, thank *you.”
One good thing about this whole kerfluffle: I’m also finding plenty more bloggers to read…
I spent the first day I was ever in Britain in the British Museum, and want to go back so I can spend another day in the British Museum. And some days other places.
Sir, your post made me cheer! It is so delightful to know that there are genuine heroes left in the world. Bravo!
And thank you for your support of Brad! He certainly deserves it!
(Currently reading Hard Magic.)
Mrs. John C. Wright
Frankly, the thing this post made me most curious about is what the hell Vox’s day job is.
Technically its game designer. He also opened a new publishing house.
Ditto. 🙂
You rely on public pronouncements as being the true goal. These awards would be purely about the quality of the written work if that were true. The homosexual agenda is ultimately one of being embraced for their choices, kind of a feel good situation. It won’t happen, but it takes increasing government involvement to make it happen. Kind of like how it will take increasing “government involvement” to keep these awards pure in the eyes of some.
The point of gay marriage is to shock and appall “Ozzie and Harriet” Christians.
The joke of gay marriage is that the Ozzie and Harriet Christians they’re targeting have been dead for forty years.
Yay! (but I don’t care that the Last Battle is over. I STILL WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!)
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I’ll read anyone who tells a good story, with interesting characters, and doesn’t insult my intelligence doing it. Now, there are a handful of good authors whose personal views I consider so completely beyond the pale that I refuse to put money in their pockets — but that’s what used bookstores and the public library are for.
Okay, I may not agree with your political views, but who cares!Your entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine.
I love your writing and the stories you tell!
My wife insisted on us viewing “No Country For Old Men” because it had won an Oscar. She repented after we had finished it.
Get ready for an Instalanche.
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/187369/
I wish Heinlein were here to give them hell.
Heinlein has millions of children, and we’re giving them all kinds of hell.
Yup.
I’d bet, based on a SWAG and nothing else, that if you did a Venn diagram of “people who loved RAH’s juveniles” and “people who comment on Larry’s blog”, you’d hit an awful lot of overlap.
SJW will auto exclude you if you state that liked RAH juveniles. It is an instant reveal of a patriarchal, priviledged white cismale.
I was careful to give all my sons access to Red Planet, Starman Jones, Podkayne of Mars (they liked the little brother) etc. when they hit 8-9 yo.
Never thirst, bros.
Walk the Glory Road, brother.
Good for you man. Congrats on speaking up and against the usual liberal hordes who claim fairness, tolerance and equality and all those other feel good liberal words that don’t apply to anyone who disagrees with their crap. You’re already a winner in my book.
Yeah, WoT is going to curbstomp everybody. It will not be over quickly, and we won’t enjoy it.
But next year. The SJW have shown their true colors, Larry will have a title from his flagship series up (I am assuming that MHN will be eligible, correct?), and there are people like me who didn’t participate this year and have realized how much fun we’re missing out on. If I were you I’d have space for a rocketship cleared on the mantle.
Maybe we can get John C. Wright a Hugo nod. Judge of Ages is certainly worth it. 2014 so far is starting out as a better year for SF/F than last year.
I’m enjoying the hell out of this kerfluffle. The Hugos have long since gone down the toilet due to political correctness. I think it’s great that the rats are coming out of the woodwork and are showing what they’re really made of.
I’m certain the publicity isn’t hurting Larry’s sales in the slightest.
I hadn’t really heard much about all this, and hadn’t read any of Larry’s books. Both of those are now changing, as I’ve purchased and started reading Hard Magic (not too far into it yet, but it’s good so far).
Yeah, but in the aftermath of a WoT win we’re going to hear the snowflake brigade crow about how their staunch resistance was instrumental in keeping our favorite cisgendernormative fascist out.
But it will make next year all the sweeter.
The aftermath of the WoT win is also going to be a chance for a major rule revision. It will start with “WoT really shouldn’t have been competing” which I agree with.
The revision will continue with “We need some common sense limits o̶n̶ ̶g̶u̶n̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶m̶a̶g̶a̶z̶i̶n̶e̶s̶ on nominations that game or abuse the system. We promise never to abuse this new oversight. Really. Pinky swear.”
“We have to have it to make sure that L̶a̶r̶r̶y̶ ̶C̶o̶r̶r̶e̶i̶a̶,̶ ̶V̶o̶x̶ ̶D̶a̶y̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶w̶h̶i̶t̶e̶ ̶m̶a̶l̶e̶s̶ another series of books doesn’t get in.”
“It does not, except in Oppression Fantasies.”
So a major editor admitting that she uses politics when evaluating stories is just a fantasy?
It’s a fantasy that virtually all of the evil right-wingers publish with Baen (who also, as several have pointed out, are perfectly willing to publish left-wingers if they can tell a good story) and almost none are published by Tor?
Someone’s living in a fantasy here, but it’s not me. Me, I’m just going by what these people have said. Publicly.
Nuts. Oppression fantasies — in which both people here and people on the other end of the ideological spectrum are engaging — are claims that the rules of WSFS are going to be modified to legislate the content of their preferred authors out of eligibility.
Editors saying how they evaluate works is individuals engaging their own freedom of action. It has nothing to do with how WSFS rules work,
“Philosophical: Attempting to prohibit it presumes that such oppression exists.”
Addendum: by that reasoning the Bill of Rights should never have been ratified, since it was a presumption that such oppression might exist.
Who said anything about “forced to”? They’re allowed to make their choices. And we’re allowed to look at those choices and make our own interpretation of what those choices say about the choosers.
Of course you do. As they do about you.
As for restricting Hugo nominations based on political biases, well, there was a time when the idea of expelling a writer from SFWA based on that author’s politics would also have been unthinkable.
But the same people using the same tactics being brought to bear here made that happen. Thus your assurances of “it can’t happen here” ring just a tad hollow.
Link?
Seriously, I want to see the reaction that you got from that.
That’s what I thought.
I don’t keep track of everything and everywhere I post, but if you want to see one of the places I responded to insinuations of fraud, you can search for my name here: http://radishreviews.com/2014/04/19/obligatory-hugo-nomination-reaction-post/
I also have posted several times to http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/015838.html
Unlike most people here, I’m not anonymous or anyone’s sock puppet; you can search for my name, “Kevin Standlee” within those pages to see every post I made.
I can understand the disgust, but maybe that thing needs to be resurrected from the bin and put up anyway.
There’s a reason people feel like they’re getting kicked in the teeth every day. Aggregating the insanity on a topic as relatively innocuous as the Hugos might shine some light.
There’s honest folks out there on both sides that don’t run in the right circles to see some of this vitriol. Perhaps they need a chance for one-stop-all-day-hate shopping to understand?
Or how about not smugly passing judgement on works one has not even read and calling for others to do the same?
Larry, and others, have said to read the works and judge the works. It’s not “us” who call for shunning works we haven’t even read.
“I guess you also don’t believe that I use avowed Trotskyite Eric Flint’s “1632″ series as bedtime reading for my daughter, hmm?”
Why not? A Trot he may be, but Eric’s love of America oozes from nearly every page. The pages where it doesn’t ooze? That’s because it gushes.
In the end, though, he writes a damn good story. I could just have easily used Mother of Demons or the Belisarius season (although I don’t know how much was Mr. Flint and how much Mr. Drake) or Heirs of Alexandria (ditto about how much was his) or the Pyramid books (likewise). I just didn’t happen to be using any of those as bedtime reading for my daughter.
Also: “I’m offended” is not an answer to the question. Let’s drop race and switch to something that’s a matter of choice.
1) John Q. Redneck decides that he doesn’t want to serve Muslims (or Jews, or Wiccans, or Roman Catholics) at his lunch counter.
2) Teresa Nielsen Hayden decides that she doesn’t want to read or buy stories from anyone to the right of “Iron Feliks” Dzerzhinsky.
What’s the difference? Be specific.
(insert sound effect of crickets chirping)
While Kevin is busy ignoring the previous two hypotheticals, let me add a third:
3) Louis B. Mayer decides that he doesn’t want to hire communists.
It sure seems to me that there’s a lot of overlap between the critics that slam the Wheel of Time nomination because of WoT’s “popularity” (which they always seem to describe in terms of WoT being too “bourgeois” for their tastes), and the critics that slam Correia’s Sad Puppies slate because it’s right-wing/racist/sexist/cismale blah blah blah.
Myself, being a fan of both Correia and WoT, I figure that no matter who loses, I win. And hippie tears are *so* delicious, no matter what the cause.
Yes, but the strongest complaints I’ve heard from the people most likely to be able to craft coherent proposals have focused on what they consider a fundamental unfairness with having a super-length work like a 15-volume fantasy series being treated as one long serialized work. Some of them also objected some years ago to how a single season of Game of Thrones was nominated as a single work. Both of these things are technical arguments, and despite them being new to you, they’ve been going on for years and aren’t particularly new.
You’re equating technical objections with calls for political orthodoxy?
As Mr. Winnfield would say, those aren’t in the same ballpark, league, or even sport.
There have been allegations of fraud, vote buying, log rolling, and making up fake accounts.
Say it isn’t so, Larry. Log rolling?! You fiend! ;-D
Well, the SJWs /have/ been circling the bowl, IYKWIMAITTYD.
On the plus side, now I’m going to start buying your books.
Came here from the Instapundit link. Bought The Monster Hunters. Keep fighting the good fight.
To get the Abominations, I think you’ll need to contact Nicholas Cage. 😉
I’m reading my Baen eBooks copy of Hard Magic and realize something:
I want to see this as a movie or similar. Animated or live action. Especially anytime Faye starts teleporting all over the place and kicking butt.
Larry, when you start getting movie deals, be sure to get a deal to make a Lego Monster Hunters game so that my kids will force me to send you more bags of filthy, filthy cash.
SFF author and Nebula nominee Kate Elliott: “Just read another call from a white man about the need for ‘nuance’ rather than shrill ranting.”
Reply from SFF fan and blogger Jenny Thurman: “as if they’d know ‘nuance’ if they tripped on it”
Kate Elliott: “nuance is when we are complaining about what they don’t want us to complain about.”
Here’s the post by SFF author Richard K. Morgan they’re talking about:
http://www.richardkmorgan.com/news/1114/new-aunts-and-catching-up-in-westeros/#comments
I need to do a post where I take all of these that you guys have been collecting and replace white with Jew just to prove a point about how horrible these people sound. If a one word search and replace makes you sound exactly like Heinrich Friggin’ Himmler you may want to rexamine your life choices.
We could create a guessing game called “Mein Kampf or Pink SFF Author?”
To be honest with you, I am completely blown away by how casual their racism and identity supremacy and advocacy is, especially in light of the fact they put themselves out there as anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-supremacists.
If you ever wanted to seriously do this, might I suggest a slight variation? Instead of substituting words, censor out the targeted party. And sprinkle together quotes from both the modern day people and Approved Racist Targets(tm) from the past (like the Nazis). Then play a “Guess who said that?” game with the quotes.
No one is saying whites are oppressed, Slippery. What we are saying is these comments occupy the same intellectual and philosophical space as classic racists like the Nazis. There’s a very large difference between your straw man and what we are pointing out. The bottom line is that mainstreamed hate speech will always have a bad outcome. Just ask Rwanda.
I’ve been in organized fandom since I joined the LASFS in’78.
I’ve seen regulars who are as militantly intolerant as those described.
But I’ve also seen a club that ran conservative to libertarian and was quite militantly tolerant on issues of race and gender identity.
But then perhaps it’s just because everything in California is weird.
John is a friend and a great writer.
Funnily enough, I had never heard of you until I saw people screaming about how evil you were. Then I went and bought Monster Hunter International and LOVED it… so, um… thanks outraged crowd. You found me a new author. 🙂
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F***’em all, Larry: I just found my signed copy of your self-published version of MHI. LIFE is GOOD; and – distantly – I hear the lamentations of the wymyn…
I bid $50.
Frame that mutha.
The decontamination bill for cleaning up all the exploded lefty heads must be astronomical.
Manure is great fertilizer.
Well Larry, I read your books and enjoy them. So you have succeeded in successfully competing for my beer money. As far as I am concerned, that puts you in pretty good company, i.e. entertaining authors.
As far as Hugo and Nebula Awards, I quit paying attention to those somewhere around 1980. Except that with very few exceptions, I don’t bother to even read the blurb (the exceptions being authors I know will provide a good read despite being a winner).
I saw a link to this blog mzg over at instapundit. I may have seen glenn recommend an earlier book. After reading your comments i am motivated to read all your books and turn my three sons onto them. I guess thats one positive from the whole affair!
Except that Orson Scott Card isn’t right wing. If it weren’t for the same-sex marriage thing – well, he likes gun control, affirmative action, environmental regulations, and he’s just shy of being a full blown socialist. Yet, because he’s against SSM, the SJWs must destroy him. Correria is Mormon and outspoken, so I guess 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.
Both OSC and LC are among my top 5 favorite authors.
Except that Orson Scott Card isn’t right wing. If it weren’t for the same-sex marriage thing – well, he likes gun control, affirmative action, environmental regulations, and he’s just shy of being a full blown socialist. Yet, because he’s against SSM, the SJWs must destroy him. Correria is Mormon and outspoken, so I guess 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.
Both OSC and LC are among my top 5 favorite authors.
Well said! 😀
Yeah, that’s going to work out well for them.
I see all these police forces being militarized, and I see a real possibility of something incremental like Japan did in the 1600s, where they licensed guns then stopped issuing licenses. You only have to lose a few elections for it to happen.
**I’m seriously wondering how much longer the left will allow us to peacefully coexist with them. “We’re scared of you” is a short trip from “We need to shut you up, take away your guns, seize your property, lock you up. For our safety.”**
“Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to the dark side.”
And here I thought we were the ones with the cookies.
There’s one big difference. We can self-organize whenever we want to. We can also align our goals without having to become a hive-mind. Larry’s spelled out the numbers before. There are too many of us to take our guns if we don’t let them. Extend the principal to the rest of our rights….
Bully for you! I’m not a fan (yet), but I’m going to add Warbound to my 2014 list. Anyone who trumpets their vote (non-vote) for a literary award by telling everyone they didn’t read it is, um, doing it wrong.
Really sad to see Peter David in the mob. As a Trekkie, that stings.
D.GOOCH
Agreed. I read David’s books in the 90’s when the Trek series were still on tv- thought they were pretty decent, actually. He’s a good writer.
BTW- if you’re going to read Warbound, you should know it’s the third in a series and you’ll want to start with the first book in the Grimnoir Chronicles: Hard Magic. It’s EXCELLENT.
I’m not exaggerating when I say that the Grimnoir chronicles is my favorite series in years. It’s really good. You’ll love it.
I really liked Terms of Enlistment by Kloos. Especially the non-standard alien nemesis. It seems most SF aliens are either human, feline, or lizard. It’s nice to see something significantly different and seeing it done well.
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Uh… Thanks?
Only I don’t write combat sci-fi, and my “safe and conservative” novel which has been nominated is a 1930s pulp noir, well researched alternative history, epic fantasy, with characters who are basically magical proto super heroes, with a magic system that I don’t think anybody anywhere has ever done (magic is a symbiotic parasite), which leads to it being a sci-fi, alien invasion story.
Or you know, you could actually just read it before judging it, and since basically everything you just said about this book was wrong, I’m assuming you’ve not actually read it. 🙂
“magic is a symbiotic parasite”
Midichlorians?
(Please don’t kill me. 🙂
@ Dr. Mauser
Huh, If you combine the Midichlorians as a symbiotic parasite with the lore inherent in Knights of the Old Republic II which was subsequently excommunicated by Lucas It illuminates a very large deal of fridge horror inherent in the SWverse.
The web serial Worm has a symbiotic parasite (basically) as the mechanism for superpowers (including magic), which leads to it being a sci-fi, alien invasion story, but it’s set in the present day. An alt-history pulp noir take on that mechanism sounds like a fun ride — I’ll be picking up a copy.
Looks like I’ll be reading “Worm”. I note that it was posted on June 11, 2011, while “Hard Magic” was published May 1st, 2011. So Larry has priority, but not by much.
” he takes risks and does different things with his concepts. ”
Sorry, Marxist dogma hasn’t been “different” or “risky” since 1848.
Except, of course, in the non-literary sense of “likely to get you murdered if those people ever get in power”.
Come to think of it, a big part of the Grimnoir series is about the rising facism and totalitarian nature of the 1930s, and the overall theme, at least the bits with Francis are “Does the government own the people, or do the people own the government?”
Of course, I’ve still got idiot reviewers accusing me of ripping off the X-Men because I’ve got FDR rounding up a hundred thousand “dangerous” people without any due process and tossing them in camps. 🙂
mekadave5 – Don’t forget to add that lefty hero Earl Warren was a big supporter of the internment camps as well. He was Governor of California at the time, and apparently thought they were a great idea.
Really want some see some ‘splody heads? Point out what party the President behind the Trail of Tears belonged to, which party the KKK largely supported, and which party the only Klan official who was elected to Congress belonged to. He wasn’t some outlier/marginal dude, either. He was the longest-serving U.S. Senator in history, and was being named to important positions (e.g., Majority Leader, chair of important committees) by the other Dems well into the 21st Century.
Me too.
And I’m OK with that.
I suspect that’s true of a lot of us.
You act like people should enjoy reading. If you keep on this way no one will ever make your book one of the mandatory educational requirements that children are required to read. They’ll just go read the book if they want to and no one will be there to tell them what it really means. People will just have to make up their own mind, and what good would that be.
Yeah, I know. Probably a poor business decision. I mean, if people actually want to read my book, I might make some money. Who knows, I might actually make enough to live well off of. Everyone knows that’s a problem.
However, if I wrote stuff that would be required reading, I might make enough to survive, and that’s the correct way to live according to the Lefty Powers That Be.
As usual you’ve confused “Liberal” with “Progressive”, and you’ve got two OTHER mistakes in two sentences.
Oh, may I? Because it’s hysterical! 😀
Oh, all right. 😉
Well, Anne, first let’s keep in mind that Lt. Col. Kratman may well make more liberal heads explode than Larry, Vox, John Ringo, Michael Z. Williamson, and George Bush rolled into one.
Yet, what he outlined sounds like a liberal utopia. It’s got all those “unsafe” ideas and stuff that you think should win.
Of course, he also happened to have written that.
But hey, military science fiction’s not about ideas or anything.
“The essence of being conservative is not taking risks.”
By the way, Anne, I’ve just got to ask; where will the conservative safe room be at Worldcon? You know, the one where we’ll never be exposed to any of those evilwickedbadnaughtybadbadbad liberal thoughts, and where we can run when confronted by all those icky non-white people? And where we’ll be safe from fat jokes and such?
Because, ya know, liberals aren’t afraid of taking risks.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Ha.
1. I’m more libertarian than conservative. Not take risks? Stick to a set formula? Tradition? Ha! You don’t understand us at *all*.
2. Isn’t it amazing how quick leftists are to try to put other people in a box? Most often an unflattering box sitting on a lower rung of whatever stupid great-chain-of-being they are ginning up than they fancy themselves as occupying. Of course only *we* have a monopoly on truly innovative imagination! Only we can be truly creative! (gagg)
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Never read one of your books, but I just bought the first in your Warbound trilogy from Amazon to check it out. I’m sure you’ll regard that response more warmly than any kind words I could say.
Exactly. Or maybe more like a 1960 country club manager pointing out that “Of course there’s no racial discrimination here. Sammy Davis Jr. is a member! See? See?”
Also, note that not one of them has showed up over here. They’re not interested in participating in any forum they don’t control.
*Ahem*
I almost certainly have more in common with Patrick and Teresa than with most of the people who post here, starting with the fact that we’re the Old Guard of people who have put in the work to make Worldcons possible. (P&T are a half-generation before me or so.)
Just so everyone’s clear: I’m not casting any aspersions on Weber (whose books I like in general, though I can’t speak for his Tor ouevre) or on Sammy Davis Jr. (who was a great entertainer, and I think I’m going to listen to some of his stuff on YouTube right now).
However, there sure were a lot of organizations, movies, shows, political campaigns, and whatnot back in those days where Sammy was the only black face in evidence.
Hiring Scalzi to rip off libertarian/conservative writers of the past and spin them to the left doesn’t really count toward political diversity either.
Heads you win, tails I lose. Sorry, I don’t play that game.
It’s not a complicated question.
Either:
1) It’s okay for a editor or studio head to engage in political discrimination.
2) It isn’t.
3) It’s okay to discriminate against Republicans and Libertarians, but not okay to discriminate against Communists.
I understand fully why you don’t want to answer. I’ll leave you alone now.
I don’t care if Louis B. Mayer didn’t want to read scripts by people he though were communists, although in your zeal to try and win Persecution Bingo, you seem to consider it very important.
What a proper Libertarian should say, I think, is that “I have the right to publish those things I want to publish, and you have the right to publish those things I want to publish.”
Nobody’s forcing you to buy Tor’s books, any more than anyone is forcing anyone to buy Baen’s. What’s the big deal?
As a (small l) libertarian, I think you should be free to deal with (or not deal with) anyone you want.
However, this isn’t about me. I’m not a major editor who makes noises about “diversity”, am I? I haven’t been going on for decades about how terrible the Hollywood blacklist supposedly was, have I?
I’m not trying to “win” anything. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy.
“Persecution bingo?” Is that where people defending themselves in court using evidence and facts is “persecution bingo?” You realize you’re stipulating that all court cases should end in a tie.
Are you going to assert “heads you win tales I lose” when no one is kafkatrapping you? Who’s kafkatrapping you? No one. A kafkatrap would be “white privilege.” Get angry and deny it, it’s proof you are guilty. Admit it, you admit to guilt. You are fleeing from logic and evidence, not a kafkatrap.
Congratulations on your nomination. I have to post this because after reading the reactions of Best Fan Writers, I’m disgusted with that category. The Best Fan Writer is supposed to be for someone who brings the fan community together, but clearly these women are not interested in doing that. They seem to feel that the Hugos are for their clique only. I’m afraid I will have to vote them beneath No Vote.
What I’d like to see now, a post with the best/worst tweets, and blog comments.
By best I mean most hateful, by worst I mean the type of idiotic unintelligible replies I quoted in my book There is No Update for Stupidity.
The more idiotic the posts the funnier they are, the hateful threatening ones are a joy to read too.
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Which was one reason that I was glad to say that for the two years I paid attention and watched the stats I saw zero indiction of dishonesty.
Keep watching. The night is young, and I don’t recall any parallel of this unbridled hate in the past.
Also, I’m willing to bet one hundred dollars that if WoT wins, there are going to be a lot of pushes for major rule revisions, with the obvious intent of preventing the ‘wrong’ authors from getting nominated next year.
Any takers?
No way am I taking that bet. Nope, nope, nope, nope…..
You or any other two members of WSFS can _propose_ anything you want. If you think any such stupid proposals trying to regulate _content_ rather than form will both pass the current year’s Business Meeting and be ratified by the following year’s meeting, you’re engaging in an Oppression Fantasy and don’t have the foggiest idea of how the WSFS governance system works in practice. I’m dead serious about this.
I think it would be a mistake to change rules in response to Wheel of Time. I mean… how many other Wheel of Times are there out there that have to be guarded against? Game of Thrones? That assumes he ever finishes it.
It would be a case of the barn door and the horse.
“(…) the failure of your favored works to make the ballot, or of disfavored-by-you works to get on the ballot despite your dislike of them or their authors, is not a sign of a failure of process or of fraud.”
This seems like a very good note to end this discussion on.
Since you are saying it on the 990th comment on a year old blog post, sure, why not? 😀
Flak? Over target. Check!
Just wanted to add, I’d heard of you but never read anything by you, picked up Hard Magic on Kindle today. Looks fun, I seem to end up just endlessly cycling between Zelazny, Glen Cook, and Neal Stephenson stuff I’ve already read twice, so hopefully I have something new to read.
Really enjoying Hard Magic, I am 79% of the way through. Glad I picked it up.
Hope you’ve got your flak vest on, because you’re about to take incoming, I bet. “How DARE you suggest that people demanding respect should be willing to give it!”
Kate, honey. You’re white. You’ve just disqualified yourself of being able to say everything you’ve ever said on your Twitter. Yes, even against other white people.
You did it. Gold star. A for effort.
Seriously. Just switch White to Jew. Holy moly. It was funny at first but quickly becomes rather disturbing.
Ive said for a while that people need to read Joanna Russ’ “how to suppress” and flip that bullshit around and start using it on these folks.
Dibs on “Super Angry Jew Man” as a nickname.
Urm, @SBP, ‘s’all right by me. I already have that name as one of my email addresses, but how can anyone view it as exclusive, eh? 😉 Go for it.
White and Jew are basically interchangable, this can’t possible be a bullshit appeal to call people who don’t agree with you Nazi’s could it?
If you can’t see the point of the exercise, check with your doctor.
I saw this on twitter talking about the Hugo awards
“@colorlessblue: @katsudonburi @eilatan …the right to not be discriminated against trumps the right to free speech.”
I just don’t understand this thinking, maybe because I don’t trust who is to judge what is the “RIGHT” speech. I have also read where they would like to use the laws of in the UK on Hate Speech with the awards and Authors
Damn… You’re a more patient man than I am to collect this stuff. The little Ctrl H word flip thought experiemnt is starting to make my skin crawl.
(My maternal Grandma’s family immigrated from Poland. That’s where I got the Byreika name from)
SFF has mainstreamed hate-speech to the point it is not only perfectly acceptable, but rewarded. Welcome to the latest edgy trendy Nuremberg rallies. It’s cool, man – hop on board! White straight men stink – in multiples of tens of millions – each with a human soul – theoretically.
The the fake feminist PC in SFF are experts at Orwellian statements that sink into a black hole of logic. I done with the quotes… for now. You get the idea. To me, it is little short of incredible that “artists” could write such things. And make no mistake: this thing about “white people” is accepted orthodoxy at the SFWA and Hugos.
Here’s SFWA president Stephen Gould yesterday:
“Ink-Stained Wretch @StevenGould 21h
“’Should white people write about people of color?’ http://www.malindalo.com/2014/04/should-white-people-write-about-people-of-color/ … by Melinda Lo. Yes, it’s complicated.”
Of course, but judging by the last name, I’m going to doubt she’s a white person. However, to play by the left’s rules, we’re not allowed to tell non-white people what they should write about, yet it’s fine for them to tell me what *I* should write.
Part of me wants to rewrite the cast of the novel I’m working on to remove the Nigerian female pilot or the Asian mechanic and make them all white guys.
Too bad I’m just too lazy to do it.
@Tom:
The typical trap of the left. If you defend it, it’s proof you’re a racist. If you don’t defend it, it’s proof that the thing is racist, and you are by extension.
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Best admiral Ackbar voice:
"It's a (kafka)Trap!!!!
#facepalm
You just HAD to go there, didn’t you?
Yes, I did. Low hanging fruit and all that.
Or, to put it differently:
“I had the shot. There was no danger, so I took it.”
🙂
“You took it! And broke a major rule of engagement!”
Love that movie!
Sortof do too – but I had been afflicted by it as a customer service rep at Circuit City so I easily OD.
(imagine every tv in the store running top gun over and over again for hours on end……, day after day, working 30 hours a week….)
“Negative Ghost Rider. The pattern is full.”
I’m going to put up a blog post about this first part of next week. I’ll link back to this post for the comments if anybody wants to see who actually said these things. Thank you for gathering them.
Many white people seem to forget the key distinction to the problem of “Dealing with people racist against you”. We can say “HAHAAHHAHAAHAAHAHA, we have all the fucking jobs and get paid way more than you all. All you can do it talk on the internet and complain about it while our entire society favors us unfairly.”.
So the fascist leftists have now taken over sci fi fandom as well. I wonder what brilliant past libertarian authors like Heinlien, Pournell, and Orson Scott Card would think. They might want to read “Fallen Angels” a book both standing up for real science and technology, and a tribute to how great fandom used to be. They would find out how much their leftist hate and fascism have corrupted something that used to be great.
No, the fascist leftists *haven’t* managed to take over SF/F fandom, despite their best efforts. That’s what’s driving them so batshit crazy at the moment.
More hippie tears, anyone?
Sure, top me up. Looks like we’ve got plenty on tap.
Hear hear! (or should that be “Harrumph! Harrumph!” “I didn’t hear a ‘Harrumph’ out of you! ‘Harrumph’ for the governor!”?)
Conformity:
I recently read a few of Henry Rider Haggard’s Allan Quartermain series. He didn’t appear racist, but seemed to fully embrace how British society made its people more educated and materially blessed, if far less adventurous than African societies of the time. Really, if there were to be a comparison, the Quartermain books made Africa out to be the Wild West to Britain. Great stuff.
Do these fascist leftists happen to be Marxists and Socialists as well? I mean this bullshit is basically interchangeable. I am surprised you didn’t reference Hitler, I mean you might as well make it all up if you are going to allude to it.
I’ll refer you to “Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives” by the British historian (and socialist) Alan Bullock. Quoting the Wikipedia blurb, “It analyses inner doctrine that made victory and unparalleled terror possible.” Reading through that long, detailed analysis is a very difficult slog, but worth it.
The National Socialist German Workers Party was/is a radical variant of socialism, as is Communism. In fact, the party platform for the NAZis could have been written by today’s Democrats (with appropriate substitution of proper nouns).
Yep, the Nazis were socialists. You can go through the party platform they proudly ran on and got elected on, in the land that was the birthplace of socialism, and they they implemented socialist policies. I went through it in detail here: http://monsterhunternation.com/2012/05/09/hate-mail-response-to-my-hate-mail-and-i-godwin-the-hell-out-of-this-post/
But Stupid Snake won’t get it anyway. He’ll just come back at a different angle and fling more poo.
I once read that the basic difference between Socialism and Communism is:
Socialism: The state (read: the party heads) owns everything.
Communism: The people (read: the party heads) own everything.
Well, socialism and communism just haven’t been tried properly, you see. They were distorted by those right-wing Nazis and Stalinists in their grab for power, which is what all right-wingers want. True socialism and communism wouldn’t have those problems.
BTW, Mr. Correia, I made a disparaging comment about the dearth of decent SciFi on the shelves of the local B&N that may have nicked you as friendly fire. Truth to tell, I’ve had very little time for fiction lately and so have stuck with the tried and true (Weber and Butcher). I intend to remedy that and start on MHN this weekend.
Anyone the Left hates as much as you has got to be writing stuff that’s worth my time.
Read “Icebreaker” and “The Chief Culprit”, by Viktor Suvorov (who, as an ex-GRU colonel, might just know a thing or two about socialism and about Nazis) . Not only was there actually little practical difference between the National Socialist German Worker’s Party and the Soviet of Socialists, but the red ones were pretty much responsible for the feldgrau ones.
Taking a quiz on Buzzfeed, one of the questions was “which animal best represents you?”
I clicked the manatee. After all, Wendell is a Manatee, and he’s one of us, so I guess they represent me just fine 😀
The animal that best represents me is the white straight male – a feral hybrid with the manners of a pig and morals of a Gaboon viper.
Yeah…wasn’t an option.
So I went with a manatee.
You made fake people!!! Ooooooo!
I want the recipe!
Best of luck on the Hugos.
The only thing I have to say about this kerfuffle is that I’m a fast reader. All this time spent on this issue instead of another novel is depriving me of reading another enjoyable piece of Correia fiction. Wrap it up and get another book out. *heh* I can hardly wait to part with a few more shekels for another.
But seriously, apart from that lil problem, it is nice to see folks standing up to the Wee Wussy Brigade. Every time it happens, a Founder sheds a tear of joy.
Reblogged this on The Raptor's Claw and commented:
Well. This is not unexpected…
Lol, damnit the witchhunts seem to suck a lot of balls if the missed Vox and Larry. All our plans for naught.
51 posts in a week and I still can’t understand what Stupid Snake is saying half the time.
I believe what boring banned boi is trying to say is “our hate is alright because we haven’t had a chance to start up some gulags… yet.”
What you just said about “SJW Lefties” becoming what they fight against illustrates my last point. It’s not a leftist problem, it’s a human problem.
Sorry, I mean Joe, one of your respondents. 🙂
If you look at history, purges always end with some of the purgers getting purged. 🙂
Also make career and life decisions base on bull shit internet drama about an award no one really gives a shit about rather than what is best for you. Larry has made all his beliefs a part of his reputation and campaign. As long as you are good at writing you will be successful, I am evidence. Even though I think Larry is politically retarded I enjoy his books.
Alas, poor Stupid Snake. After posting nearly a hundred inane, ignorant, drunken comments in a single week, he finally committed the cardinal sin of boring me and has been banned. I just looked. In all the years I’ve had this blog I’ve only banned 11 IPs, and six of those are the same guy (Plow Share), three are Clamps/Yama/Andrew Marston, so getting banned from here is really saying something.
The only reason I didn’t look at him as pinata practice is mostly because his comments were so inane. If he really does work at Monsanto, that company is completely and totally boned.
But, of course, he’s so much more intelligent than me because some college told him what to think while I’ve figured all of that out on my own.
Wow. This article is gonna leave a lot of marks…
Too much to comment on, except one point; to the lady upstream who admired “unsafe” writers. Running through traffic is unsafe; it’s also pretty stupid. Me, I prefer people who write good stories.
I actually have to subscribe it to my RSS reader to keep up.
Here’s a question- is it too late to purchase a supporting membership in order to vote for the Hugo nominees already selected? Or has that ship sailed? I’m asking because after I explained the Orwellian brouhaha to a friend of mine and showed her this post, she wanted to get in on the hot manatee + puppy love action.
Kevin, that does clear some things up. Thank you for the explanation. 🙂
I’m actually a little curious about the convention organizers now- on a personal level. You might say my family is “in the business” of con organization. You’ve been with them for quite some time! Do you enjoy it? This year’s kurfluffle aside, of course. 😉
That’s awesome. Thanks for the info, and all your hard work over the years.
Wow, though… I remember reading ancient copies of Elf Quest when I was in elementary school! Where’s my cane and rocking chair?
“Hot Manatee and Puppy Love Action”
New MHI riot-inciting T-shirt? Ha ha ha.
I might could come up with a design for that. //she says in a thick southern drawl//
Well said, sir! //claps//
“I am a liberal”–Ah, but the necessary distinction is that, given the content of your character as revealed in the content of your comment, you are not a typical, contemporary FAUX liberal but a GENUINE liberal. The two classes never overlap, in my experience. Genuine liberals seem to be a vanishing breed in our society, or maybe it’s just because the fake ones have the pulpit and shout so very loudly. (Frankly, my own views would be considered liberal by John Stuart Mill’s standards and conservative by Burke’s standards. *shrugs* I am sooooo confused. *heh*)
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What’s just STARTING to piss me off, is lefty fans have started a new “reasonable” attack. They claim Larry’s exposition above is “misleading, at best”, of course, giving no details on what they thought was misleading. A variant of Internet Arguing Checklist item 2, without the need to give any specifics, yet claim to be the calm, rational ones.
Because we sound Angry or something. . .
1: Skim until Offended
2: Disqualify that Opinion
3: Attack, Attack, Attack
4: Disregard Inconvenient facts
5: Make Shit Up
6: Resort to Moral Equivalency
7: Concern Trolling
8: When all else fails, Racism!
It’s not just 2, but 5 and 7 as well.
You did exactly the appropriate thing – when Room 101 demands that you shut up, get louder. They get off on feeling powerful and believing their little tin god routine is butch and intimidating – bust that bubble. Buying one of your books, just cuz’. Well played.
Has anyone watched the actual recording of the nominations from Worldcon. Heck even Larry got a golf clap from someone in the back of the room.
But when Vox was announced hehehe WHAT!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0br4raAgUU
Have looked around and while there are plenty of blogs that accuse you of many things from ballot stuffing to being the mentor of Jim Jones. I have yet to find a blog that gives you any credit for helping to increase this years voting turn out by 43%. Did find a few that credited it to WoT nomination. Which I am sure helped the numbers.
Here is an idea for Sad Puppies 3:
Next year, you should post that you are nominating one of these inclusive, enlightened bloggers for best fan writer. You know, one of those gentle folks who were so quick to smear Brad Torgensen and Toni.
Just to watch the target squirm and insist that they really are the right kind of racist / sexist, and to see their pack mates turn on them for the idealogical weakness that the International Lord of Hate was able to discern and endorse.
Hell, at this point I could probably blackmail popular liberal authors. “Give me ten thousand dollars or I will say that I really love your work.” 🙂
I’d almost recommend giving it a try, just for hysterics. 🙂
If it’s a $10K price tag to not ppraise some leftie author’s work, , what would the tag be for not giving them a big ol’ hug in front of a con audience?
Larry, you may be the first man in history to turn the denial of mild public affection into a moneymaking scheme…
But Larry, they don’t have that kind of money. We all know that good little libs live in tents, wear hair shirts and give all their money to global warming studies and LGBT Safety Rooms. 😉
The number of nominating ballots cast this year was a new all-time record (more nominating ballots cast this year than final ballots cast last year), and Loncon 3 looks to probably break attendance records for non-US Worldcons as well. Yes, it’s not a 125,000-person scrum in San Diego, but the growth of interest and participation in the Hugo Awards seems inconsistent with your statement that “fewer people will be involved.”
I don’t want a “legitimacy” that stems from prohibiting people from voting because of their political beliefs. I get the impression that you think that would be a good thing, as long as it was the people whose opinions you dislike. Possibly this isn’t what you intend, but that’s how it reads to me.
You’re reading into it, sir. Sorry, but that’s what’s happening. You have nothing on which to base the criteria of “people who’s opinions I dislike” so how would you infer that I’d be okay with preventing them, or anyone else from voting? Where have I said anything about preventing anyone from voting?
Wow Kas. You really missed the point there. Maybe it’s because you only read one sentence apparently.
“The number of nominating ballots cast this year was a new all-time record …”
Ah, but according to the old guard, it’s all the wrong people swelling the ranks, thanks to Larry.
I actually hope you’re right. The bigger and broader the spectrum, the better. Echo chambers aren’t good for anyone. But, like Larry, I’m a CPA and we’re naturally skeptical, and I’ve seen other organizations destroyed before when a certain type of person takes over. I would hate to see it happen to WorldCon. But if it does, it will not be because of you.
“the old guard”
Sorry, poor wording on my part, I mean the current clique.
“Your ideological enemies consider you that “certain type of people,” I think.”
It has nothing to do with ideology. It’s about wanting power and control over others.
Kevin Standlee, I believe you 100%. Never mind the bashers; I’m taking you at your word that the WSFS will not change the rules to lock someone out, and I have every reason to believe that you’re being honest.
As far as I can tell, the WSFS itself has not denounced anyone on the slate.
Discussion on this subject over at AR15.com:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1617752_Author_Nominated_For_Hugo_Award__Subjected_to_Politically_Motivated_Character_Assassination.html
Oh, good God. I just read that poem.
Yep, we’re all Nazis. Nazis were well-known for their support of small government and personal liberty. Nazis also were well-known for allowing opponents to freely express their opinions, as opposed to, say, deleting them outright, screwing with the font size, or removing their vowels (how old are these people, anyway? Twelve? The person who compared them to a clique of Mean Girls in junior high was spot on).
Here’s a hint, Tor-folk: If you see Nazis as being on your right, that means that you’re a Stalinist.
It isn’t about me not getting as many hits, it is about protecting her readers from being exposed to dangerous badthink. (and really, it isn’t the writers on my side who derive self esteem from blag stats) I got linked by Instapundit. 10x the number of people attending WorldCon read my post that day, so much for her theory. 🙂
Your numbers, they burn… Also, had a good chat on this topic @ BFC during Raven, this weekend.
Even when I don’t agree with your comments I find you far more credible and interesting since you don’t censor comments or (AFAICT) ban ppl. Luhrs, Hines, Scalzi et al do. Who is hiding or suppressing what, exactly?
The stats panel shows Do Not Link. Let’s see… Wow. In that case, her traffic either totally sucks or her readership can’t be bothered to actually read the other side. 🙂
Embrace the power of “and”, Larry.
Somewhat OT: Is Wendell related to Hugh Manatee???
No, but they served in the same unit during the Great Manatee Uprising of ’98.
I’m leftwing, I love your work. Monsterhunters is one of my favourite series. I deplore what is happening to you, maybe we won’t ever agree on political issues but as long as your books entertain and maybe even make me think I’ll buy them and tell my friends that I like your books. Censorship in what ever way it happens is never a good thing.
That’s great. You can hate my writing and vote honestly. Luckily lots of people disagree with you and provide me with money. 🙂 But the important thing is that you read, or at least give an honest attempt to read, the works and judge them according to the work. I think that’s fantastic.
S.A. Hoyt’s blog, I believe.
Well, Andrew, I haven’t yet read any of Vox’s fiction, but I’ve added his blog to my daily bookmarks along with Larry’s.
I figure Vox will say something outrageous that’ll piss me off at least once a day, but – unlike the majority of his critics – he’s at least honest about it.
The woman he called “half-savage” has a history of making racist anti-white comments. In addition, Vox Day says that he has insulted him frequently for years (he doesn’t provide any links). It was her BEHAVIOR, not her skin color, that elicited VD’s insult.
Definitely behavior, according to Vox. Quote: “It has largely been forgotten that NK Jemisin’s attack on me in Australia was part of a nominal call for reconciliation in SF/F, and my response to her was a rejection of that call on the grounds of its impossibility. “
Actually, I’d like to find examples of her anti-white racism and misandry. It’s hard to google because her name and ‘racism’ turn up tons of condemnations of Vox’s response to her. A little help, please?
This whole thing is making me go and read because I don’t want to go simply by accusations, I’ll go with what the people in question actually say.
I don’t remember the numbers or if it was total uses or proportional comparisons but in Florida more (or a greater percentage?) of black shooters brought to trial have successfully used “stand your ground” as a defense than white shooters.
Like I said, I don’t remember exactly how they measured that, but apparently the law itself is protecting blacks more often than whites.
“g) arrange with our gracious host Mr Correia to have 1) further discussion on this topic halted, and/or 2) this post deleted, and/or 3) me banned from further commentary”
Most libertarian blogs don’t do that sort of thing, dude. That would be your side.
And no, I’m not going to address the faux butthurt outrage that you’re trying to use to deflect the conversation. Net rhetorical effect: approximately the same as a cat attempting to cover up a turd on a hardwood floor.
Bored now.
I think I’ve had this blog for 7 or 8 years. I’ve had I don’t know how many tens of thousands of comments. I’ve banned a total of 4 or 5 people, and a couple of those are certifiably insane, so that should tell you about where I set the bar. People who talk about free speech, who then “massage” their comments are just hypocrites.
Hate to break it to everybody, but the Hugo Awards and SFWA add exactly nothing to my purchasing and enjoyment of science fiction.
I buy books I’m interested in by authors I like.
Period.
I realize this is completely sideways to the discussion but the author waiting for a novella to pay for the cover art before writing more about the same characters, would probably get the pay out sooner by writing more about the same characters.
This is one of the things that I am convinced that traditional publishers do *wrong*.
Advertise away. You may have noted that I’m not the easily offended type.
Who are the censorship loving bullies? Google search my name since the Hugo nominations were announced and get ready to do a LOT of reading. Read the comments too. They’re great. That should give you a fantastic start. 🙂
Look at the names SFWA member and Nebula nominee Kate Elliott Tweets with:
“Kate Elliott @KateElliottSFF now @damiengwalter @tinytempest @saladinahmed White male privilege doesn’t need to describe the world that caters to it”
Your message is so many levels down the tree that I honestly do not know to what the pronoun in “It is a lie” is. Could you spell it out for me? I’m sure that sounds sarcastic, but it’s not intended to be.
Mr. Standlee, perhaps we should get back to basics: do you believe SFF literature, Brazilian samba music, the Indian Bollywood film industry, Egyptian television, the National Basketball Association, the National Hockey League, middle-weight boxing, and rap music and hip-hop culture are in need of racial diversity?
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For the record I think Stephen Fry is brilliant.
Okay, so perhaps you and I don’t have different opinions on EVERYTHING.
I love Stephen Fry. He was great in Black Adder and in fact when isn’t he great? I like him a lot more than Jonathan Ross. But Ross should’ve been in. The difference is I don’t care what Fry does in his spare time. In fact I don’t care what millions of people do defined only by their race and gender nor do they care what I think. That’s not my rice bowl, that’s a PC rice bowl.
I love his quote on being offended.
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kastandlee “Here’s something the infuriates me at both people like you and people on the far left: you _both_ appear to think that the other side is going to seize control of everything and impose draconian controls…”
And yet we have seen what the left does when it gets control: Hence the current situation in universities: speech codes, departments with ideological tests to get a degree (aka “social justice”), ad-hoc “rules” applied to suppress dissent from the right while permitting intimidation and assault from the left.
Sorry, you’re going to have to come up with better lies.
Okay, so I have never read a Larry Correia book, but this post just gained him another fan. I am going to buy Monster Hunter International as soon as I get home.
Don’t ever back down from those SJW’s, Mr. Correia. Somebody has to stand against their mindless bludgeoning, and I am so relieved to find an outspoken author that doesn’t care and won’t shut up.
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What a mess…and nice to see someone stand up and say the things that are said here.
I’m a libertarian and a SF/fantasy fan. I have not read your stuff. I got here via a link from Instapundit. I am not surprised by the PC fascist outrage industry, being outraged by you. You horrible teabagging teabagger! My response to these shenanagans is that I’ve just bought Hard Magic in Audible format. Like the good little capitalist pig that I am; if I like the book I will buy the rest of the series and probably move on to other series by you.
Just a question. Why do so few people here refuse to discuss the relationship between science fiction/fantasy and our present political situation in Washington, DC? For example our great Senate Majority leader, Harry Reid.
Refuse to discuss?
I’m not sure what you’re talking here. IMO the problems we’re seeing aren’t directly related to who’s in charge in Washington DC. Harry Reid and Obama aren’t “ordering their minions to destroy conservative authors”. What we’re up against is Leftish Group-Think not a “Top Down Conspiracy”.
I give up, why?
Seriously, WTF does Harry Reid have to do with SFF? I mean, I can’t stand the guy, but I’ve never heard him even mention the genre.
I’m not really sure how national politicians come into this. Though I really liked John McCain in his run on Battle Star Galactica as Colonel Tigh.
Hmmm… and Tigh did turn out to be a Cylon. That would explain SO much…..
ROFL! They do kind of look alike, don’t they?
I mean, I’m hearing some psychotic stuff from folks since the Hugo nominations (and a few things that make me want to root for the asteroid to slam into the Earth), but this Harry Reid thing may well be the most bizarre so far.
Note that I only said “so far”. I expect it to be trumped by supper time.
Maybe Benjamin is asking if we’d noticed that Harry Reid is sort of an SFF caricature of the millionaire who sold his soul to the Devil. The kind of cardboard character you”d find in a poorly written fantasy novel written from a Leftist perspective.
The tip off is that Benjamin refers to Reid as “great.” Only a Leftist troll or a lunatic would do that.
He did? Apparently, the idea of someone writing that was so abhorrent to my mind that it blocked my eyes’ ability to have read such a thing.
Thank God for the subconscious mind!
Why, is Harry an alien in disguise, an Area-51 escapee? It sure would explain a lot. Why does no one TELL me these things?!?!!
😉
Darn it! You beat me to the punch! Hat tip to you.
I’m thinking Goa’uld. And not even one with style, like Ba’al. More like the fat one they locked up in the SGC basement.
+1. I can definitely see Harry Reid as Maury Chaykin Goa’uld.
Sorry. Why do so many people here.
Because reasons.
FOR SCIENCE!!!
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!!!!
Well, I read (part of) your book, and I didn’t much care for it. It wasn’t the politics; it was the characterization. (I did like the short story you wrote a while back in the same universe.)
And the tribalism displayed on both sides is hilarious. On the left, people making personal accusations about you. On the right, people planning to vote in the Hugos, because the book must be good: you have the political views to prove it!
As for libertarian SF: 2007 wasn’t that long ago, when Vernor Vinge won.
Mr. Mack, unlike the folk frothing at the mouth over Larry’s slate his supporters have actually read the books in question. And that, in fact, is all that Larry ever asked: that people read the books and decide based on how they did, or did not, like the books.
Contrast that with the folk who condemn the books without having read them and who are proud of that fact.
But your attempt at claiming a moral equivalence is noted.
Yay Checklist! Moral Equivalence!
I believe I’ve also said that I’ve read Stross, Grant, and Sanderson and think they are good writers.(haven’t read the last nominee yet). I liked Grant’s first zombie novel quite a bit. I love Brandon’s Mistborn, honestly think it is fantastic, though I’m not a WoT fan (only read the first few then fell off), I’ve read a couple Stross books over the years, but my wife is more a fan of his than I am.
But hey, whatever you need to tell yourself so you can feel better. 🙂
Mr. Correia,
If I didn’t already own all of your books I’d buy some out of principle right about now.
I’m left-of-center, and I probably disagree with you on many issues other than the Second Amendment, but I find your books very entertaining and think your nomination is deserved. I also bought a bunch of your challenge coins, so I guess I’m a bit of a fan boy. Maybe I missed something, but I don’t think your novels are particularly political. I hope I get to read many more of them.
ROFL! Clamps just told me over at Brad’s blog that my novelette sucks.
Considering all the people who he thinks sucks are people I actually like to read – like Larry, John Ringo, Tom Kratman, Mike Williamson, etc.- I think I’m going to take it as a compliment.
LOL! You definitely should take that as a compliment! Now I definitely need to check it out. Just added ‘After The Blast’ to my reading queue.
ROFL! Thanks, Dave.
Honestly, based on Clamps and his ability to judge writing, I should be a bestseller by Saturday.
And for a novelette at that. 🙂
This is the only “bad” thing about hanging out here: my reading queue is getting HUGE. ;-p
LOL.
Warning though: Clamps warns that I don’t know metaphors or similes and my prose is “lifeless”. Well, without the creepy stalkers backing my work, how will I ever go on?
Heh…. yeah, I saw that. To quote my fave libertarian space-cowboy, my days of not taking him seriously are coming to a middle. 🙂 I’m still trying to get the ick off of me for actually looking at his blog.
The good Captain was a man for the ages, to say the least.
And that shit stain has a blog? Oh, if I were a glutton for punishment.
Just bought my copy.
Thanks, Achillea! I hope you enjoy it as well. 🙂
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The left’s reactions sounds a lot like some of the plot elements of Fahrenheit 451. I will have to go back and read it to see if the synopsis I read was correct.
Christopher Hitchen once joke that North Korea is Kim Il Sung’s attempt at the book 1984. Perhaps SJW thought Fahrenheit 451 is a good idea too.
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Nope, sounds like you’re just terrible at the progressive thing. A lot of us here are liberal to some extent, but we’re classical liberals, who actually believe in the ‘liberty’ part.
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“Conservative science fiction writer” is an oxymoron.
Sci-fi is about looking at the future. Conservatives are about returning to the past.
Says the side devoted to economic theory from the 19th century and the social structure of the 1960s. 🙂
What are “Straw men”, Alex. Can I have logical fallacies for four hundred?
Not at all; conservatives, in an American, which is to say “non-Tory, sense, are about believing that neither nature nor nurture are dispositive, that both have effects, that neither is predictable, easy, or certain, and thus that man cannot be perfected. Liberalism and other leftisms, conversely, seems to be about childish faith in a kind of magic. They truly have no place in science fiction, which is about the future, since they have no future they do not “borrow” – borrow like a leech borrows blood – from conservatives.
LOL! Dude, you have to bring better game than that if you want to troll around here. As he just showed you, Larry eats guys like you for breakfast. :-p
And apparently Tom K. uses them for seasoning on his Chili-fries.
Apparently lefties are crunchy and good with ketchup.
No, no, no. You’ve got the concept of oxymoron wrong. It’s the combination of contradictory or mutually exclusive concepts, like “Leftist thought” or “liberal tolerance”.
Has anyone else noticed that the quality of Leftist trolls has badly deteriorated over the past few years?
Take this one for example. The taunt is, at best, childish. An insult based on straw man stereotypes. No facts, no analysis.
It seems to be this way everywhere. It’s almost as though the only people left on the Left are the ones too stupid to learn.
I heard that ridiculous pop-culture dismissive oversimplification enough when I was in high school back when dinosaurs were roaming the earth. Give me a break.
I’m interested in which parts of Europe you refer to when you claim that the people there are less tolerant to homosexuals than staunch Catholics are.
Other than that, I found this post both entertaining and interesting.
Eastern Europe, all of it. Western Europe, most small towns and villages. I’d be so pro-gay in comparison that I’d sound like Ru Paul next to the average Portuguese farmer.
Share away.
From our side of The Rusty Curtain all this commotion looks just like hardcore party line. Seems like someone adopted our political Cold War garbage dump… and enjoyed doing so quite a lot.
I have enjoyed every book of yours I have read and recommend them to many people. To me that is the most important thing. Your stories and well crafted and well written, sure some of your ideas and attitudes do not mesh mine but that is part of what I enjoy about readings SF, it can and and will stretch my thinking.
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So, having finished the last book last week, I’d say they were very good. The combat and magic are very well done, the characters are interesting… looking forward to reading this series again someday, which is rare.
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My Gosh, reading this right now reminds me so much of what is going on with Gamergate. This came out in april? It’s like foreshadowing of what would happen several months later in the gaming community.
I’m a conservative Christian just finishing stuff up I’m going to publishing…somewhere. We’ll see what happens with that. Hah.
Man, comic books, science fiction, atheism, (occupy movement), and now Video Games… and shirts/astro physics. These people need to be stopped with their agenda pushing.
I am a progressive person, and believe we should be pushing for equality. Having biases based on a person’s political leaning is just another form of discrimination, and shows how hypocritical these SJWs are. I may not agree with most conservative ideals, but I sure do when it comes to this: these people are maniacs that need to be stopped.
I’m a left as they come and i think this is an absolute disgrace.
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Hey! Hey! SJW types! Anti-Christian rants make me feel unsafe in my microsphere!
Gonna do something about that?
…Don’t worry, I’m fine with doing stuff while you consider getting back to me on that.
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Dear Author,
Welcome to what #GamerGate has been dealing with for months. Feminists and those infected with the virus of Social Justice have been attacking us for months. You have allies and I welcome any and all Sci-Fi enthusiasts to the hashtag. I recommend your own as well; like #SciGate or something I dunno; it’s up to you. You can also bet there will be a video made about this exact post.
Look past the media lies about #GamerGate and you’ll see the parallels are uncanny.
Uh… A couple of things.
This predates GamerGate by a couple of years. I’m friends with Adam Baldwin. I literally just got done talking to Nero like one minute ago. I was blocked by Anita and Shanley before it was cool.
So, no. Welcome to my party, new guy. 😀
EDIT: to add, that’s not to denigrate GamerGate, because that is the first group of people who truly fought back against the SJWs trying to take over their culture. I’ve been absolutely loving it. Scifi/Fantasy fiction is tiny in comparison.
Oh I meant no offense; just merely meant to say we are fighting essentially the same fight.
None taken……
Totally! I think every industry needs to stand up to the bullies who tell us we’re having fun wrong. 😀
Shanley Kane and Sarkeesian are poster children for intersectionalism: no talent, generate income by being complaint machines. Will destroy whatever they touch.
Heh.
We know, we know.
Not only does this post predate gamer gate, but the Hugo kerfuffle has been on since February.
Also, as Larry pointed out, the background SJW-related kerfuffles have been on for far longer than that.
That said, if you think it’s a nice crowd, hang out. Read some of Larry’s books (MHI and Hard Magic are awesome). Go hang out at accordingtohoyt or the mad genius club. read some of Sarahs stuff, Daves stuff, etc.
Heck, you might find a couple cool stories by John Wright or Vox Day
Oh – and dig up Larry’s piece on default binary gender.
I think, instead, it is for us to welcome you to the party. So:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OpIbiFmY60
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Video for this made.
http://youtu.be/2XAopCmfqp8
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[…] An explanation about the Hugo awards controversy […]
[…] authors). If by chance you want to read a huge tirade by the jilted author, here it is: http://monsterhunternation.com/2014/04/24/an-explanation-about-the-hugo-awards-controversy/. Based on some of this author’s book excerpts, I highly doubt that his personal failure to […]
[…] Larry recommended a lot of works he felt should be considered for the Hugos, not excluding his own. He caught some predictable shit for that. It’s unclear how much the informal campaign changed the winners at LoneStarCon 3, but Larry […]
[…] to winning, it was rubbed in his face, but he’d said back when the nominees were announced that his goal had been achieved. (Among other things. He also talked about the controversy himself, so if you’re still […]
I’m a Left Winger and what just happened to you shows the Left has to distance and do a direct separation with SJWs.
Left is about tolerance, SJWs are intolerant even to moderate Lefties.
Left is about equality, SJWs is about elitism and cliquiness.
The hard part of being a Lefty is that you have to tolerate and include *gasp* the people you disagree with too.
SJW ideology is radical authoritarianism; all those pretenses of pandering to Left ideals are never met in reality, they are just a shield to justify their actions.
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[…] Hugo awards controversy […]
[…] This blog post has details and links to most of the background, history, and fallout from last time: http://monsterhunternation.com/2014/04/24/an-explanation-about-the-hugo-awards-controversy/ […]
[…] eller ”Sad Puppies” är namnet på den kampanj som skapades inför Hugo Awards 2013 av SF-författaren Larry Correia på Monster Hunter Nation. Han berättar att syftet var att avslöja och utmana den vänsterklick som han ansåg dominerade […]
I just found out about your blog and books, because of this controversy….. I think all these ruckus is having the effect of bringing people back into the scifi genre. I quitted years ago because all the trash that has been published over the last decade… thanks for opening my eyes again..
[…] According to Correia, “boring message fiction is the leading cause of Puppy Related Sadness”. Meaning that the Sad Puppies are symbolic for Science Fiction and Fantasy fans who don’t like boring message fiction. Which means Seavey’s going to go off and whap those fans right on the nose. How dare they not like the stuff he does? Dirty unclean beasts that they are. No, better still, ignorant fools who need the good, smart Seavey to lead them to the Promised Land of Good Fiction. […]
[…] counteract the voting bias, Correia organized a campaign called “Sad Puppies”—because, he explains, “boring message fiction is the leading cause of Puppy Related Sadness.” Which gives you a […]
[…] counteract the voting bias, Correia organized a campaign called “Sad Puppies”—because, he explains, “boring message fiction is the leading cause of Puppy Related Sadness.” Which gives you a […]
[…] minor writers with SJW/victimhood credentials onto the Hugo ballot. It’s at this point that Larry Correia and others started the Sad Puppies campaign, so I’ll let him provide the […]
[…] year’s crop, it all got very strange, and murky, and confusing. This, for example, is the explanation from one of “the big bads” of this whole brouhaha. He sounds […]
File 777 found conclusive proof that they were doing slates and bloc voting and campaigning at the 1953 WorldCon. Guess we are actually the people being true to the old traditions of the Hugos.
The answer is “It’s different when we do it!”
You can’t expect logic from people who think with only emotion.
Oh, just go away. No one cares what you think.
[…] “I said a chunk of the Hugo voters are biased toward the left, and put the author’s politics far ahead of the quality of the work. Those openly on the right are sabotaged. This was denied. So I got some right wingers on the ballot.” (Source) […]
[…] “I stated a piece of the Hugo voters are biased towards the left, and put the writer’s politics far forward of the standard of the work. These brazenly on the fitting are sabotaged. This was denied. So I acquired some proper wingers on the poll.” (Source) […]
[…] claims on the Internet about how evil he was. He was libeled on the Guardian by Damien Walter, and people called up Larry’s home, ‘offering help’ to Larry’s wife to ‘escape from her abusive husband’ […]
Welcome to the new lynch mob. The left are the modern equivalent of pitch fork wielding rabid mobs chasing down “bad people” (those who don’t agree with them). Authors, actors, directors, it doesn’t matter, even conservatives speakers get chased by the mobs on college compasses.
“The left are the modern equivalent of pitch fork wielding rabid mobs”
Proof by assertion. I bet I could find just as much “rabid mobs” on the right. Especially after the last three days of Supreme Court rulings. (posted 6/30/2015)
You got me. When I wrote this blog post I was talking about things that had actually happened related to this one small topic, as opposed to things that would not happen for another year related to a mammoth Supreme Court decision that affected the entire nation. Wow. Yeah. You got me. Bad time machine! BAD!
Why do writers need awards? The reward should be a story well told and widely read.
I am a new author of stuff decidedly more catholic and objectionable than many others, and would love a chance to meet or speak with you by phone. Reading your experiences mirror and even explain my own similar experiences, with this very close minded left wing group. http://www.sftag.net
[…] Nemesis, his latest installment, is out this month. Correia has recently been the target of an Emanuel Goldstein-style hate campaign by intolerant leftists in the Science Fiction & Fantasy Writers of America. Conservatives (and […]