My Official Comment on WorldCon 2018’s Social Justice Cannibal Feeding Frenzy

People keep asking me what I think about the recent WorldCon 2018 freak out and the usual suspects currently beclowning themselves in an effort to see who is the most offended, and who can virtue signal the hardest about how they’re offended too… but after exposing the Hugos as a politically biased circle jerk, I retired from Hugoing years ago.  I proved my point. All my people moved on with life. We’d rather go someplace actually fun.

However when you’ve got a culture addicted to outrage, if the people they’re usually outraged about aren’t around anymore, they’ve still got to get outraged at somebody.  They chased away everybody with the wrong politics, got the all-progressive paradise they’ve always wanted, and then promptly started yelling at each other for being insufficiently woke.

I’m curious to see if any of my left wing author friends will actually stand up and say enough with this nonsense, you’re killing our con, grow up.  But I’m betting not, because they’re scared of the angry mobs they helped create. Wimps.

So the entirety of my official statement on this latest WorldCon clusterfuck is:

Ha! 

Told you so. 

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch. Y’all deserve each other.  

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Keith Glass
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Keith Glass

My Schadenboner is approaching the Kuiper Belt by now. I only wish I had the local franchise for hot buttered popcorn and ice cold beer. . . .

Dex
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Just don’t use your Schadenboner TO butter the popcorn.

Stan Bundy
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Stan Bundy

At least, not your own popcorn.

Orvan Taurus
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Orvan Taurus

I open the bottle of WhistlePig rye at most only once a month. Today, for this, I poured myself a double, oh yes.

TheWriterinBlack
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I’ve skipped past schadenfreude and over schadenboner straight to schadengasm.

Shadowdancer
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My dear Keith, the way that this has all been going, we could do more than just buttered popcorn, and go straight for the billion variations of delicious gourmet popcorn, and a full on drinks bar, with a variation of choices for one’s beverages.

Tomyironmane
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Tomyironmane

Is that what you get from Schadenfreud?

Christopher Chupik
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Christopher Chupik

The year of the Assterisk Awards, they were proud of what a great job of gatekeeping WorldCon did. Now, they’re complaining about gatekeepers.

Alan Kuhn
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Alan Kuhn

Gatekeeping is GREAT…until you find yourself on the other side of Said gate…. Sucks to be them. It’s not like they were warned or anything…Oh Wait.

Doctor Locketopus
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Doctor Locketopus

Indeed. I think the concom is having their Robespierre/Trotsky/Ernst Röhm moment as we speak. They’re protesting that they do so love Big Brother as hard as anyone else, but the twitmob’s lust for the blood of heretics/JOOOS/witches/kulaks does not seem to be waning. Meanwhile, Scalzi is “giving up his slots” (plural)… He only had one slot. NBD, it was probably sour anyway. The concom appeared to be trying to salvage something by putting people on panels that prospective attendees might have at least heard of, but nope. Gotta give those slots to any obscure poseur nominated for the Annual Gernsback… Read more »

Andrew
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Andrew

Social Justice Guillotines, anyone?

As to the Worldcon brand, let it die. Or buy it and bury it, preferably with a stake through the heart, it’s guts full of garlic, the head(s) chopped off and holy wafers put in every orifice, and buried on opposite sides of a fast moving, constantly flowing body of water.

Once tainted, never pure again.

RandyGC
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RandyGC

You left out face down

Ish
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Ish

That’s because Worldcon is two-faced.

David
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David

I admit I wasn’t paying attention. Is there a good writeup somewhere of what “the recent WorldCon 2018 freak out” entails?

Richard McEnroe
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Richard McEnroe

Conservative Libertarian Fiction Alliance has been covering it heavily. On Facebook.

Christopher Chupik
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Christopher Chupik

Uh, I did NOT post this comment.

Wyldkat
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Wyldkat

(try this under my own name)
I read the article CLFA linked to and nearly set a record for fastest face-palm at 10 seconds. The proceeded to see how many times I could execute a full face-palm before finishing the article. I stopped counting at 6. Of course that was about the time I nearly fell out of my chair laughing.

*It’s all the old school, white, conservative’s fault.* Too rich. What conservatives are left at WC?

Christopher Chupik
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Christopher Chupik

I wonder what happened?

Xavier Basora
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Xavier Basora

Basically some male freak was affronted that Worldcon corrected his chosen pronoun(tm) Instead of being ya know normal and getting this resolved behind the scene, he decides to go full Voldemort demolishing Howarths because HOLOCAUST! HOLODMAR! OPRESSION! SPERGING AT SOMETHING!
The apology and the refusal to accept just grew like a nuclear reactor going critical.
Meanwhile, as the world yawns(tm) Worldcon is going supernova and we should see the blast of light soon.

xavier

Stacey
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Stacey

There are some, but they keep their heads down and mostly keep their politics private. I know because my husband is one of them (he’s out about his politics), and we know several others that are not out about their politics. But they have emailed him privately and thanked him for some of his mailing list posts.

Patrick
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Patrick

If you can stomach the Daily Dot, they did a piece on it…

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/worldcon-2018-diversity-nominees/

The big issue seems to be disrespecting somebody’s pronouns of … “E/em/eir/emself or they.” Honest to God, not making that up.

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool

https://mobile.twitter.com/robkroese/status/1021771221363507202

There’s reason to think Foz Meadows is the spouse of a troll that has been boring over at Mad Genius Club.

(Before the usual folks start denying the possibility, I am aware that the first person to go public with the allegation has recanted. I remember when Dave first addressed that troll as Fieldsy. My memory is that the troll was better behaved after that. I believe my memory of that evidence, and the other evidence Dave presented. It seems plausible that the first source to go public was intimidated into recanting.)

Camestros Felapton
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If you mean me then no, I’m not and the only of Dave Freer’s reasons (bless him) that was vaguely valid was that I live on the same continent. The other reasons offered by Dave required me to live in Queensland currently (I don’t) and also to have been living & commenting at MGC from Aberdeen in Scotland, a city I’ve never visited (& I haven’t visited Scotland in general, this century). I don’t know why Lou A spread that story in the first place or why specifically he recanted (other than maybe he finally did check his sources and… Read more »

Oscar Madison
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Oscar Madison

Despite the IP addresses from your e-mails and website comments that put you in both places, ScrambleBrains?

Camestros Felapton
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They don’t, scramble brains. I know because I’ve never been to Aberdeen and have never posted anything online from Scotland EVER under any identity. I’ve posted comments here, I’ve posted comments at Brad T’s blog, posted at MGC, never done so from Aberdeen or Scotland in general.

Nicki
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Nicki

Oh, good lord! Cameltoe Fappington is like Voldemort. It appears as soon as you mention its name. How obsessive you must be to constantly monitor Larry’s site for any mention of your pretentious, gassy pseudonym!

Compound
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Compound

The short version.

1) In the bio, they labeled a “gender nonconforming” author as “he” rather than the preferred pronoun.
2) In the panels, some of the nominees weren’t given spots on panels and it was deemed to be because of their non-white status.

I think there was also a statement by a con organizer that “We don’t pay attention to what you read, our fun is in running the con” that might have been in there as well.

Robert Dean
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Robert Dean

So much to cover….

The most recent is within hours of publishing their panels they withdrew them because of complaints. Not enough LGBT panels, not enough feminists panels, not enough POC panels, the Hugo nominees weren’t on panels, several name authors withdrew from panels to make space for unknowns, etc…

E P
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E P

I just find it hilarious that they are (a) still blaming the Sad Puppies movement for this, and (b) still unable to admit that Sad Puppies was about ending discrimination, not increasing it.

I’m also seeing it compared to people from minority groups not winning enough Oscars, but they are too dense to realize that by comparing the Hugos to the most rigged award ceremony in the entertainment industry they are not really helping their case.

Stacey
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Stacey

The funny thing is, the Hugos are actually *very* similar to the Oscars. They are both awards given by private(ish) clubs. The main difference is the requirement for joining the club. For the Hugos, you just have to buy a membership in the current year’s convention; the Oscars have a much higher bar – winning an Oscar is an automatic invite, otherwise you have to be sponsored by a current member.

E P
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E P

Wait, that’s how you earn Oscar voting privileges? I thought you just had to be a working professional in the American film industry, but that’s even worse than I thought. Though I guess the Hugos’ method is to say anyone can join and then terrorize anyone who tries to join but is personally disliked by the main clique. So in that case both are pretty bad.

Robin Munn
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Robin Munn

Those requirements (the Oscar club’s membership requirements) are so ridiculous that I had to double-check. Not that I had any reason to doubt you, but even so. And what I found at http://www.oscars.org/about/join-academy says that it’s even MORE ridiculous than you said it was: 1) you have to be sponsored by TWO current members, not just one, and 2) each member may only sponsor one person PER YEAR. (It says “per cycle”, but their “cycle” is one year). And sponsorship doesn’t guarantee an invitation: after being sponsored, you then have to be cleared by the executive committee of your branch… Read more »

C. S. P. Schofield
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C. S. P. Schofield

Well, it’s not as if Hollywood ever HAD a sense of morality.

Doctor Locketopus
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Doctor Locketopus

Something tells me they’ll be seeing Puppies under their beds for many years to come.

Look at the way that “Nazi” is still one of their go-to insults, even though there haven’t been any real Nazis for, like, 70 years.

Basically, their “thought leaders” stopped getting pravda updates after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and they’ve been running on fumes ever since.

Shadowdancer
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Yep. Their love for screaming Nazi, especially at people who have fought against things like dictatorships, Apartheid, and done actual things about real problems in the world… really is just the screaming of the cowardly and petulant that don’t have the spinal fortitude to do anything more than scream, and do Internet lynch mobs and rumormonger.

deadcenter
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deadcenter

“… but they are too dense to realize that by comparing the Hugos to the most rigged award ceremony in the entertainment industry …”

That would be the Grammy’s

E P
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E P

I pay even less attention to the music industry than I do to the film industry, so the number of times the Grammys have spontaneously appeared in my thoughts is approximately never.

Ray
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Ray

Leftist revolutions inevitably turn on themselves. Leftists require an outsider to be the cause of all their ills and if they don’t have a legitimate group of outsiders, they will manufacture them from within their former allies.

All this has happened before and all this will happen again.

E P
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E P

When our plans don’t result in utopia, it can’t possibly be because utopia is impossible! Quick, find the dissident!

Nohbody
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Nohbody

Dissident, saboteur, or on rare occasion just incompetent buffoon.

Never even a first thought, let alone a second one, about how if a “perfect” or “scientific” system keeps failing (see Socialism) no matter who tries to implement the system, it may be that the system isn’t as “scientific” or “perfect” as initially believed.

E P
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E P

The problem with socialism, or any utopian ideology, is the assumption that given the right circumstances, every human being will behave in a predictable manner. Just remove whatever is the “problem element” and all your problems go away. Never mind the fact that human beings are an incredibly diverse species (and incredibly imperfect) and will never be able to create a system that perfectly accounts for all those myriad differences. You can only approximate it, as was done with the creation of the American constitutional republic. But I have a feeling most of these extremists have never read the constitution.

Johann Aevarsson
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Johann Aevarsson

Mr. Correia I know this will sound weird, but have you read Theodore Kaczynskis essay, “Industrial Society and Its Future”? I know he was not a good guy, and I furthermore do not agree with his methods or actions in any way. But I did read his “manifesto”, as I was intrigued by his story, and the fact that his IQ was over 150, and yet went down that path, which maybe shows that logic over empathy is not always good, as Spock and Jim also taught us. For further pop-refs, the difference in IQ between him and the average… Read more »

Sarah A. Hoyt
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Sarah A. Hoyt

You’re making a category error. JUST BECAUSE he had a high IQ (mine is higher. And I’m the mental midget of my family. Guess what? The one who worries us the most for making asinine decisions has an ESTIMATED IQ of 184 (after 165 it’s fuzzy. It just means he maxed all their tests.)) it doesn’t mean he was using anything resembling logic. His entire manifesto was warmed up Marxist twaddle and bad history, not to mention atrocious psychology. It was all feels over logic. So. Be ware. The most common occupation of Mensans is janitor. The most common politics… Read more »

Sarah A. Hoyt
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Sarah A. Hoyt

That should be “Be aware.” It’s not letting me edit. Sigh.

E P
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E P

Being good at the sorts of things IQ tests measure does not mean someone is good at all things, even all analytical or academic things. Makes me think of someone I know who uses high IQ as a justification for being rude to people because “it’s not my fault they’re not smart enough to understand me”. A high-IQ person might be truly brilliant, or they might just be brilliant at making shit up. (Besides, I’m not sure I’d be able to knowingly read anything Ted Kaczynski wrote without actually vomiting.)

Julie A Pascal
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People read all sorts of things out of curiosity. And it’s entirely possible for someone to be right about some things and desperately horribly wrong about others. (It took me a while to remember who Ted Kaczynski was.)

For the IQ thing… someone once compared it to living life with a monster truck 4X4…. you still get stuck in the mud, just like the little Ford Fiesta, but by the time you get stuck you’re in really really deep sh*t.

E P
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E P

All true. I have in fact read some other things by and about people who did similar horrible crimes, and I think there is some value in understanding evil in order to avoid it, but my primary problem with reading Kaczynski is that he’s smart enough to dress up his insanity in a way that it gets in your head. I’d rather read *about* what he thought than actually read his manifesto. Plus, his rantings about the American political establishment were directly related to his justification for blowing it up, which I think makes it difficult to separate the two… Read more »

Jordan Bassior
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Julie Pascal: Are you the lady who writes Wilde Life?

Julie Pascal
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Julie Pascal

Jordan,

No, I’m not.

Suburbanbanshee
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Suburbanbanshee

Kaczynski was a lonely guy who went to a faraway school while still 16, got picked by one of the all-time creepy psych professors for a study in breaking people, never got any help from the university afterwards… And so on. Kaczynski was not a nice guy, and it is no excuse; but he did have a good look at the nastiness of the left. By being a victim. (Bombing everyone is not the answer, though.)

C. S. P. Schofield
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C. S. P. Schofield

I’ve been told “You aren’t smart enough to understand me”, and my answer has always been, “Oh, I understand you perfectly. You’re a typical elitist dolt, one each. Where I fail is the ability to tolerate you. Go. Away.”

Jim McCain
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Jim McCain

Sarah it makes one wonder if tests for IQ are all that accurate? I’ve seen a lot of stupid behavior and writing from so called high IQ people.
Jim

GWB
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GWB

Or that “IQ” just doesn’t mean much in everyday life.
(BTW, measuring of everything – like intelligence – is a product of proto-progressivism. That you can measure everything about people and put them in boxes based on those measurements, and manipulate them and interchange the ones in a box like cogs, and…..)

Mike in seattle
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Mike in seattle

One cannot intelligibly distill whAt requires a multi variant analysis down to a digit and have it represent anything meaningful.

Robin Munn
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Robin Munn

IQ tests are usually a reasonably good predictor (and there’s a reason I said “usually”, with emphasis) of academic performance for the people with IQs within two to three standard deviations from the mean. (And two standard deviations means 95% of the population, by definition). It’s when you get out into the extremes that its value lessens. A friend of mine (and I want to clarify that I’m NOT talking about myself here, unlike most uses of the “a friend of mine” formula) who’s in the 99.9999th percentile (the one-in-a-million level) once wrote an essay in which he compared having… Read more »

Wyldkat
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Wyldkat

And then there are people like me. In grade school I tested around 140 (+/-) on a standard IQ test. However, I did not do overly well in school. High enough that regular classes were not challenging (I could cost and still get a B average) but not high enough to keep up with the Advanced classes. Years later, when I played with a test book I found, I still got 140 (+/-) on the main test, but on all of the subject specific tests I scored in the median (100 +/- ) with variances for subjects where I was… Read more »

Christopher Seguin
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Christopher Seguin

“Intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom, on the other hand, is deciding not to include tomato in your fruit salad.” (That’s taken from a longer quote enjoyed by those who have played D&D and other fantasy-based RPG’s – “Str – the ability to CRUSH a tomato; Dex – the ability to DODGE a tomato thrown at you; Con – the ability not to THROW UP after having eaten a rotten tomato, Int – the ability to KNOW that a tomato is a fruit; Wis – the ability to NOT include tomato in your fruit salad; and… Read more »

E P
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E P

I would also make the claim that IQ predicts the ability to learn the material in school, but not necessarily the ability to earn good grades. That takes additional skills such as time management, school-related social skills, the ability to focus on your work for extended periods of time, etc.

pkudude99
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My experience is that high IQ just means that one processes information faster…. but that doesn’t necessarily mean that one doesn’t come to the wrong conclusion…. just that one got to it faster than average.

Although it also means that the mistakes tend to be learned from faster, so over time perhaps fewer get made, and perhaps more bad ideas can be discarded before they’re tried, at least.

Andrew
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Andrew

There are also lots of people who test high who just for some reason or another don’t do well in school. Raw score is just that, a score. It does not, by itself, mean much, just that the taker of the test performed well on that test, and it may, or most likely does, indicate that there’s something there. Some people also have built in ‘test-savviness’ that allows them to achieve higher on standard tests than they maybe ‘should.’ Testing with a sampling of IQ tests, across a broad spectrum of styles, will give a much truer reading.

Shadowdancer
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That’s… actually a really good analogy, Robin. Thanks for the share.

TRX
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TRX

A high IQ and high DQ (dumbass quotient) often go hand-in-hand.

Craig(2)
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Craig(2)

The more successful people I know are high-ish IQ (120+). Most of the really successful people I know are in the 120-140 range with significant complimentary talents/skills, not at the higher levels.

One of the least successful people I’ve ever known is IQ 150+…. his IQ mostly is used to come up with quick explanations about how nothing is ever his fault.

The Phantom
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IQ measures different before and after breakfast, it varies by season, or if you have a cold. I’m not kidding, they’ve done those studies and the results show IQ doesn’t really measure very well.

Plus, it doesn’t measure -intelligence-. It measures a person’s ability to take an IQ test. As seen above, lots of high IQ people are idiots.

jdgalt
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jdgalt

As a former Mensa member I can answer this one. (1) There are only a few tests that even purport to distinguish IQs near or above 132 (the supposed Mensa qualification level). And since schools aren’t even supposed to use IQ for placement any more, there is effectively no market for new tests. (2) The notion of IQ came from a theory that said everyone’s mind develops in the same way, only at different speeds; thus IQ was mental age divided by chronological age. This theory came out in the 19-teens and was discredited within 6 months after it was… Read more »

Chris Schwehr
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Chris Schwehr

Sarah, the problem with IQ is that it only indicates the potential for learning. I do understand that as IQ goes up, that person’s world view tends to be a bit different from the average person. Otherwise, it’s all GIGO factor. If you have an IQ of 160 (Einstein level) it doesn’t mean you’re going to be a rocket scientist. If you get fed progressive/socialist trash as a kid, you’re very liable to take it as gospel truth and run with it….and be an ignorant twit. Especially since mine is up there a bit too, IQ does not impress me… Read more »

Johann Aevarsson
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Johann Aevarsson

Chris.
Agree. Though if you analyze the tests, it is mostly solving problems, mathematical or otherwise. I therefore deduct that it is a crude indicator of logic and/or reasoning more than anything. So an intelligent person has as you say the potential for learning with more ease, even if they did not choose the academic path in life.

TRX
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TRX

The IQ tests – I’ve taken all of them bar the most recent ones – tend to test for things that are easily tabulated. Speed, short term memory, and math, mostly.

Which is fine if that’s your definition of intelligence, but not so great for avoiding becoming a Darwin Award exemplar.

Johann Aevarsson
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Johann Aevarsson

The point was the pretty accurate description of the 90s leftists, which translates to modern day sjws. I found it a hilarious read. He had valid points, and some were not. It is also presented as food for thought, not a truth.

That was it. I do disagree on the use of the word Marxism in many posts here, as it is a pretty diverse school of philosophy.

I will leave arguing my alleged IQ on the internet though.

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool

Depends on how you measure and classify philosophies. In Zoology, earlier taxonomy was based on how similar the animals were physically. Molecular biology is a newer but now well established practice of taxonomy that involves classifying animals by how and when mutations may have changed their proteins. There’s a similar technique in classifying politics by use of language. You can look at a lot of statements, and tell who was influenced by what thinkers because of using language coined by those thinkers. There were socialists before Marx, but Marx was pretty much a Martin Luther who created a fundamentally different… Read more »

Johann Aevarsson
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Johann Aevarsson

Bob Good answer, and I thank you for some intelligent arguments which is so very rare on thee internet these days 🙂 I’d like to answer your points in order of appearance per paragraph. – The usage of language. I’d rather argue that it would be more accurately stated as the usage of terms. Using the language, or even terms to appropriate the underlying agenda/philosophy, might be influenced by too many factors. Language is fluid, our understanding is fluid (based on background etc) and it changes over time. As we have seen with the over zealous “SJWs” some words are… Read more »

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool

From an American perspective, there are virtually no socialists that are not Marxists. American culture is heavily driven by individualism, due to being an assimilation of a number of very different cultures. Very different cultures have incompatible practices for shared property. Individual property rights are the only workable compromise, when you do not have a single donor culture that can force the others to convert to its values of shared property. America has, or had, very little in the way of collective property rights in its culture. In America, all the values promoting collective property rights come from religious convictions.… Read more »

Johann Aevarsson
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Johann Aevarsson

Bob, thank you again for your answer, I couldn’t find a reply button below your second answer, hope this finds it’s right place. English is my third language, so I do apologize in advance for grammatical fallacies. Your first sentence underlines the difficulties of language, by saying “from an american perspective”. This is a matter that cannot be argued I guess, as we’d both approach it as an abstract generalization with different images in each of our heads. Since my last comment, I delved into the Marxist theories, and found that most Marxists cannot agree on the finer points of… Read more »

Robin Munn
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Robin Munn

This is in reply to Bob’s comment on July 25, 2018 at 4:07 AM; I think it will end up in the right place but I say this just to make sure. Regarding your line, “Baptism as a ritual for the wholly mystical concept of salvation”: I have a vague impression that you are an atheist, probably from seeing things you’ve written at Sarah Hoyt’s blog. But I’m a Christian, and for the record, I entirely agree with this sentence. Baptism is a symbol of something invisible, and salvation is not something that can be seen or touched. You don’t… Read more »

Civilis
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Civilis

This is in reply to Johann Aevarsson’s comment at July 25, 2018 at 5:59 am “So, that leads me to possible drawbacks of strict capitalism. If there is a capitalist society where people are denied access to healthcare, and to medications due to lack of money or other ways to pay, which leads to their deaths one could say that that kind of government is also evil.” The fundamental problem of economics is the question of scarcity (and, quite contradictory to a lot of utopian sci-fi authors, scarcity will always exist; even with the most advanced Star Trek replicators, you… Read more »

Patrick
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Patrick

That was very nicely articulated, Civilis.

Johann Aevarsson
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Johann Aevarsson

In Reply to Civilis comment on july 25th, 2018 AT 12:55 PM. Thank you for your answer. 🙂 I did mentions it was a possible drawback, what I write or think I dare not assume is the truth, for the problems we adress are massive and complicated. The question of scarcity. In a closed evolutionary biome, with continuing expansion of population, there will be scarcity yes. Within a closed biome with controlled population, scarcity of resources is not neccesarily an ultimate conclusion, or at least in nature it will be temporary unless said biome will become uninhabitable for all life.… Read more »

Civilis
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Civilis

I apologize in advance, you touched a very raw nerve in a place I can actually reply. “The irony is, that communist countries are not really communist. If you take an outside look, at any so-called communist country, you will see that you cannot apply the 1A definition to that current state. I’d like to reiterate on my prior statement, there is theory, and then there is the application of said theory” Looking at history, during the Russian revolution, the Soviets (some of them, at least) really, really wanted to get to 1A. The problem is that in order to… Read more »

Johann Aevarsson
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Johann Aevarsson

In reply to civilis, july 25th at 6:12PM Regarding your first paragraph. We are in total agreement, the current human condition is exactly the reason communism doesn’t work. That said, all small ideas or items labelled “communist” or “socialist” should not be discarded based on the label, as seems to happen a lot, even though the idea as a whole does not work. Regarding your second paragraph. For two years I was involved in the US healthcare system, yes you can be treated without ability to pay for emergency situations, but no coverage is offered for long-term illnesses. Many people… Read more »

C. S. P. Schofield
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C. S. P. Schofield

“Marx is very broadly influential”

Somebody (I think it was P.J. O’Rourke, but can’t swear to it) once said that Marxism was like Godzilla; very big, very heavy, very influential in some ways….but not real.

Ambler
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Ambler

I have been trying to put my finger on the reason I enjoyed your writing style so much. I believe that at least part of it is that it is a pleasure to read someone who understands that we already have a gender-neutral pronoun in the English language. Thank you!

Tom Wright
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HI, as a Mensa member I can assure you that you are incorrect so far as politics goes. Politics in Mensa is across the board, and divided pretty much as the population is so far as left/right goes, at least in the US, with the exception there are more people willing to identify with third parties, and even there they will be Libertarian or Green. The response the far left folks get is large and negative, and largely consists of ridicule, as is the response to the far religious-right folks. At the same time, those from left or right that… Read more »

Wyldkat
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Wyldkat

Hugo’s are dead. Long Live the Dragons!

STW
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STW

I admit to not being much of a science fiction reader (currently reading some Dashiell Hammett) but I had to poke around to see what all the fuss was about with WorldCon. Easy answer is that those people are insane. The twitter chain published at File770 would be considered world class parody if they all weren’t deadly serious. Under represented Filipina writers? Really? Based on…? Claim you were misgendered? Looks to me like that was the path you chose. Someone who goes out of their way to confuse people shouldn’t get upset when they succeed. (Note, The Dain Curse is… Read more »

Julie A Pascal
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I’m pretty sure that they committed some sort of offense if they didn’t use the proper term of “Filipinx.” 😛

James Chandler
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James Chandler

A little summary for those asking. I happened to stumble on what was happening on Twitter. There were two loosely connected issues from what I gathered: 1. WC published its program and misgendered a “non-gendered” person in its bio of said person. This is apparently a Really Bad Thing. Mary Three Names decided to signal her virtue to all and sundry and withdrew from all programming. WC apologized, of course. But, you can’t stop the signal, Mal. 2. Around the time Mary made her move, someone pointed out there were very few Hugo nominees slated (SWIDT) for programming slots. Why?… Read more »

AuricTech
Guest

“Every time I read “We must do better,” I can’t help but hear Inigo Montoya.”

That’s because whoever wrote that made a typo. The writer actually meant to type “We must do bitter,” which is an accurate description of the collectivist mindset*.

*For certain values of “mind”

Julie A Pascal
Guest

You killed my father, prepare to die?

Kevin Findley
Guest
Kevin Findley

Would the PC version of that now be “You assisted my normative cis-gender patriarchal figure in a non-consensual suicide, prepare to be involuntarily removed from this plane of reality.

Hunting Guy
Guest
Hunting Guy

Thank you. I’m stealing that.

Tom Simon
Guest

Hmm. Almost, but not quite tone-perfect. I would probably go with, ‘Prepare to undergo existential reassignment surgery and become a Metabolically Challenged American.’

Patrick
Guest
Patrick

Nice summary. Also from Twitter, I picked up that the misgendering issue seems to be part of a larger problem with published biographies. Whoever was doing it didn’t just ask people for bios and pictures. Instead, the bios were apparently generated, at least in part, from an online survey and the pictures taken from places like Facebook, without permission.

I guess you get what you pay for in volunteer organizations.

DeTroyes
Guest
DeTroyes

I am so, so glad I decided to skip this years Worldcon. Already have a membership for Dublin 2019, but thats mostly being used as an excuse to go to Ireland.

William Underhill, Barbarian 1st Class
Guest
William Underhill, Barbarian 1st Class

For similar reasons, Niner and I are thinking of Worldcon 2020 which is (last time I checked) slated to be in New Zealand. Because it’s been 30 years since I was there, and I mainly want to see if the Royal Oaks Tavern is where I think I remember it (It was a great liberty, but the details were – and still are – a bit woolly)

DeTroyes
Guest
DeTroyes

To be fair, I would think that if you’re nominated for a Hugo and you’re attending WorldCon, you should automatically be programmed onto a panel or three (assuming you want to be on them, of course). That’s generally Programming 101, and if this WorldCon didn’t even do that, then they deserve the grief on that basis alone.

deadcenter
Guest
deadcenter

this made me think of a standing-room-only filled auditorium facing an empty table for a discussion of “Agoraphobia in Space Opera”. No, I don’t know why.

Jon Bromfield
Guest
Jon Bromfield

Actually, I think Scalzi got his panties in a twist because his last two “under performing” novels only got him one panel slot and a kaffeeklatsch. Rather than suck up the puncture to his ego, he got wind of the paucity of no-name minorities and women on panels and loudly donated his panel slot (singular) and spot on the kaffeeklatsch to the oh-so-oppressed of the world. You have to hand it to the spineless suckwad: excellent virtue signaling by a straight (okay, assumed) white privileged male to the SJW mob. It may buy him a couple of years before they… Read more »

Sam L.
Guest
Sam L.

WorldCon done shot themseves’ feet off with a 30mm Gatling gun.
That is so COOOOOLLLLLLL.

Blake H. Lindsey
Guest
Blake H. Lindsey

I am amused by the nominations for the so-called Retro Hugos for 1943, which included Van Vogt’s timeless pro-Second and libertarian “The Weapon Shops.” I wonder if the organizers see the irony…

Wombat-Socho
Guest

I doubt it, just as I doubt any of the people who nominated it actually read it. Writing something like “The Weapons Shops” today would probably get you blacklisted even if you weren’t a cishet white male like Van Vogt was.

Ben Yalow
Guest
Ben Yalow

Note that, for those trying to read the material before voting (and who don’t have the Dec, 1942 Astounding where it first appeared), this is the novelette version, and not the novel that included the short work and two other works.

The easiest places to find the short version are The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Vol 1, and Healy/McComas Adventures In Time and Space.

Ben Yalow
Guest
Ben Yalow

And if “The Weapon Shop” doesn’t win, it has nothing to do with its politics, I suspect. The Retros, particularly in the short fiction categories, are incredibly strong. So it’s up against:
“Bridle and Saddle” and “Foundation” (both were part of the novel version of Asimov’s Foundation when collected as a book).
“Goldfish Bowl” – Heinlein under his Anson MacDonald pen name
“The Star Mouse” – Fredric Brown
“There Shall Be Darkness” – C. L. Moore

No matter what the vote results will be, the sixth place finisher in the category will be a brilliant story.

Tim McDonald
Guest
Tim McDonald

I have read them all. And The Weapon Shop should win, but does not have a chance, Foundation will walk away with this one, and it is hard to argue with it.

Doctor Locketopus
Guest
Doctor Locketopus

Ben, do you seriously think anyone here will be purchasing a membership and voting after the treatment meted out at Sasquan?

I know you’ve been around the con world forever, but surely you can’t be that deep in denial.

Those people aren’t coming back. Ever.

Ben Yalow
Guest
Ben Yalow

I don’t know, although I certainly know how I’d bet. I do know that there is still some overlap (besides me) between the people here and the ones who attend Worldcon, although it’s certainly a small and decreasing number. It is certainly true that it’s much more likely that I’d see more people from here next month at Dragoncon than I will next month at Worldcon — but I’ll be at both. But the Retros are particularly dear to my heart, since I’m one of the people who pushed them through the Worldcon Business Meeting. And, while it’s certainly true… Read more »

Greg
Guest
Greg

Hi Ben, This was my last year with a Worldcon membership. Thank you for pushing through the Retro Hugos, because I had a LOT more fun voting for them, than for the “regular” Hugos. “The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Vol 1”, Vol 2A and 2B are three great books that every science fiction fan should read. (I rate 2B over 2A, but I re-read all three). But it is rather funny to be voting for Hugos for stories in collections for “great works that weren’t eligible for Hugos.” 🙂 “And all I can do is make it clear that… Read more »

Insectress
Guest
Insectress

What gets me is that so many of the authors complaining are holding up WisCon as who WorldCon should be modeling themselves after.

I don’t know that anything, except a Soviet gulag, should be modeled after WisCon.

Julie A Pascal
Guest

WisCon is drama every year. Which only goes to prove that no matter how uniformly woke you are, someone else is more woke and you’re a wrong-thinker.

DeTroyes
Guest
DeTroyes

There used to be less drama at Wiscon. But that was also when they outright banned anyone who was male or to the right of Joseph Stalin.

AuricTech
Guest

So, being insufficiently “woke” is an unforgivable WisCon sin?

E P
Guest
E P

I just knew you were going to show up and make that pun. I woulda done it but I wasn’t clever enough to make it pithy.

Shadowdancer
Guest

I cannot believe I missed this pun. I laughed, heartily. Well done!

Orvan Taurus
Guest
Orvan Taurus

Even if all you know of WisCon is that it is in Madison, that should be enough to put it firmly on the No Way, No How list. It’s called MadTown for sound reason – and that’s on the better days.

Ann Lewis
Guest

…and it’s all over a friggin’ typo. You know that ‘e’ had to have been autocorrected to “he” somewhere in the process. These people are such fools, I swear.

Charles R Scott
Guest
Charles R Scott

Hell I can’t even get autocorrect to take REAL words sometimes. And every time I write goat it gets turned into goat.

Julie A Pascal
Guest

Logically, rationally, there is no way possible in the Universe that the staff at World Con isn’t 100% dedicated to respecting people’s chosen pronouns, no matter what they are.

The chance of the error not being an honest mistake approaches absolute zero.

Which makes the major virtue signalers look like ungracious a**holes. (Looking at you, Mary.)

Puppies might be enjoying the spectacle (I am too) but it’s really incredibly toxic, abusive, and… sad.

Doctor Locketopus
Guest
Doctor Locketopus

Logic doesn’t enter into it. Their inner demons said it was time for a sacrifice, and a victim was duly picked and assigned the role.

They’re about one stage away from chanting “Ouroborindra! Ouroborindra! Ouroborindra ba-ba-hee!”

C.J. Carella
Guest

Yep. That was the capper for me. They have a thoroughly ultra-liberal organization, and it didn’t even *occur* to them to presume it was an innocent error. They jumped straight into misgendering and Muh Safe Spaces and threats. If anybody needed more proof that ceding to any of their demands is worse than useless, this is it.

Nathan
Guest
Nathan

Still, it is in the pattern of how making things woke makes things inadvertently makes things more racist and sexist. (The Last Jedi and women drivers, a clothes line for black men named for chimpanzees, etc.)

Christopher Chupik
Guest
Christopher Chupik

Yeah, the whole thing might have been avoided had the people involved acted like grownups.

But they didn’t, so here we are.

Xaver Basora
Guest
Xaver Basora

But that would be adulting! How dare you impose your cis chrologogism opression! !!!!
xavier

Nicki
Guest
Nicki

Yeah, that Booger douche could have simply asked the ConCom to fix the error, but noooooooooo. He had to throw a public hissy fit like the oozing twat he is.

SPQR
Guest
SPQR

The “E” hit the oppression lottery. That the faux outrage itself harmed an innocent is in reality a bonus to them. Because these kind of bitter, outrage merchants, get off on the wreckage like all psychopaths.

David-2
Guest
David-2

If any SJW could actually code and/or have business sense there’s a webservice waiting to be written: Something like gravitar except it keeps track of your pronouns. Then you could have a bookmarklet (do people still use those?) to automatically replace a person’s name in your convention announcement or blog post or whatever with their proper pronoun, automatically choosing the one (or two or whatever) that fit with the grammar of the sentence.

Monetize it by compiling mailing lists to sell to do-good-feel-good 501(c)(3)s and 507 political groups.

J. C. Salomon
Member

Hence someone’s suggestion for naming this kerfuffle “Typoquiddick”.

SPQR
Guest
SPQR

It’s not a typo, it’s a war crime of oppression! The Outrage Olympics must go on.

Andrew
Guest
Andrew

I don’t put anything beyond them at this point, and I hope they go away soon.

This is a group of people that literally went to a guy who can’t stop saying good things about NAMBLA and was like “Hey, do you want our highest honor?”

I know I show up here a lot to beat that same drum, but seriously that’s so fucked and nobody talks about it.

Mikel
Guest
Mikel

Wait. What?

Who is the NAMBLA fan?

(Disgusting btw)

And do you have links to statements?

Andrew
Guest
Andrew

Samuel R. Delany and unfortunately yes: His Comments: http://shetterly.blogspot.com/2014/07/a-conversation-with-samuel-r-delany.html He has other comments in the introduction to Hogg that are also reprehensible and not done in the narrative itself, but speaking his own opinion about how he finds the subject matter to be erotic. The subject matter concerns the rape of a young boy. I don’t know how to link to that. If you want to, as Delany suggests, “expose” yourself to NAMBLA to find what it’s all about (and you don’t mind permanently scarring your soul) this documentary is a good place to start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygrd29-_O3I&t=2s I’m not really on… Read more »

Shadowdancer
Guest

It’s either Samuel Delany, or the tweets (now deleted) by James Gunn about having gone to a NAMBLA meeting…

Andrew
Guest
Andrew

James Gunn is in a whole different category. Like, with Gunn you can say he’s joking and I think he probably was even if it was in super poor taste. Delany, in his own personal voice in interviews, not in a story, is like: “Yeah, NAMBLA’s great! People who say otherwise are ignorant. What’s wrong about having sex with nine year olds?”

Andrew
Guest
Andrew

It’s Samuel Delany. I left a comment earlier with some links but it may have been eaten by moderation. If you don’t mind getting put on a watchlist, google his name plus NAMBLA.

junior
Guest
junior

Unfortunately, I think for too many, something like being a fan of NAMBLA isn’t all that big of a deal. Just the other day, one of the political blogs I frequent (Ace of Spades HQ, for the curious) had a post up talking about how it appeared that the age of consent was likely to be the next target in the Perpetual War on the Sexual Squares. I also recently saw mention (I think over in the comments at Sarah Hoyt’s blog) that there’s currently work being done to rehabilitate Marion Zimmer Bradley.

Andrew
Guest
Andrew

I can’t think of any other conclusion than that you’re correct. I mean, Samuel Delany gives an interview talking about how it should be okay to have sex with nine year olds and then writes a whole novel about child rape and then just like last month he gets a Locus Award with NO public outcry?!?! I keep trying to think of media people I can tip off about that. It makes me so goddamn furious I feel like I’m going to explode if I don’t say something. And to be clear, they can give awards to pedophile apologists all… Read more »

Robin Munn
Guest
Robin Munn

In other words, they have (and should have) the legal right to give awards to pedophile apologists, but it would be immoral to do so. I agree 100%, and that is a very useful distinction (legal right vs. moral obligation) to keep in mind. For example, I believe that Twitter, Facebook, et al. should have a legal right to engage in viewpoint discrimination, and kick conservatives off if they feel like, because if you start having the government regulate what viewpoints are and aren’t acceptable it never ends well. But I also think they have a moral obligation not to… Read more »

Andrew
Guest
Andrew

That’s pretty much my take. What makes me red in the face furious though is how they’ll do something like celebrate a NAMBLA supporter and then get all holier than thou and stuck up about their own superiority. How do you sanction one of the worst crimes possible and still keep your head so far up your ass congratulating yourself for clearing the low moral bar of simply not being a Nazi and STILL think you’re better than everyone else???

deadcenter
Guest
deadcenter

I’ve seen Brendan O’Neill lay out the logic of this argument in several panel discussions on free speech available on YouTube. He’s also quite against ever having a personal twitter account.

Shadowdancer
Guest

Getting a bit problematic for Twitter and FB at the moment though, since they’re trying to be both a public forum and insisting they’re not being biased / or are a publisher / public space for people to gather and discuss, while trying to claim the protections of a private company that can indeed censor. https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/326/501#writing-USSC_CR_0326_0501_ZO The other case that’s relevant is that one where a federal judge ruled that Trump cannot, in fact, block people from his account as his account is used as a ‘public office’. I don’t think they’re looking too deeply into how this will eventually… Read more »

Shadowdancer
Guest

Oh, I’ve been seeing new attempts to try get pedophilia ‘recognized’ as a ‘sexual orientation’ as opposed to ‘you are a sick, sick person.’ Their latest one is to go and re-brand themselves as ‘minor-attracted’ somethings.

About the only thing I feel any kind of sympathy for are the ones who ‘recognize what’s wrong, haven’t hurt anyone, and can’t / have trouble finding help in dealing with it because they don’t want to hurt anyone’ that doesn’t involve a bullet through the brainpan.

Julie A Pascal
Guest

And defining it as “not a sick person” can only make it even harder to find help or develop help that might actually, you know, help.

Andrew
Guest
Andrew

I think people of a certain philosophical bent have a hard time giving up on someone as unfixable. If I’m feeling charitable, that’s the excuse I give for them. Now, I think it’s a combination of willful blindness and just truly being a bad person. I tried raising these issues directly with people in SFWA about four’ish years ago but no one cared. Tried adding a comment (that was so reasonable it made me feel like I’d betrayed myself simply linking to Delany’s interview and pointing out he was being awarded actively) at File770 more recently, and it was deleted.… Read more »

Ashley
Guest

The WorldCon is run by amateurs, which is both good and bad.

Good as in they should all be enthusiasts who love the thing they’re involved in, but bad because amateurs tend to be well intentioned but ill-informed.

Sad really, but I did go WTF.

KEITH A.
Guest
KEITH A.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Get woke, go broke. Is it still irony if they cant even see the steaming pile of irony the created and then stepped in?

Doctor Locketopus
Guest
Doctor Locketopus

I see that they’ve put Puppinette in charge of salvaging the programming.

Yep, because if there’s one thing this giant dumpster fire needs, it’s more old tires!

Her description of how she runs programming for the Nebulas:

For instance, at the Nebulas, the programming team has advocates for Disability, Hybrid author, Traditionally published, Game writer, Indie, Novelist, Short Story, Agent, Editor, Affiliate, Early career writer, Mid-career writer, Late career writer, LGBTQ, Aspiring member, & PoC

Note that “writing stories that don’t suck” is conspicuously absent from this list.

Note to self: call broker, buy stock in ConAgra, makers of Orville Redenbacher’s Popcorn.

Doctor Locketopus
Guest
Doctor Locketopus

It’s extra delicious that this old white cis het woman selflessly “volunteers” for the gatekeeping job.

Someone with a Twitter account should suggest to Miss Anne Robinette Kowal that a POC genderqueer person would do a better job of revamping the program, and that “wypipo” like her should just shut the hell up.

Patrick
Guest
Patrick

> Note that “writing stories that don’t suck” is conspicuously absent from this list.

Also notably absent are “Religious author”, “Conservative author”, and “Libertarian author”. It’s almost like they only value some kinds of diversity.

Doctor Locketopus
Guest
Doctor Locketopus

Heck, even “author who isn’t a communist” would be an improvement.

Baby steps, Ms Kowal. Baby steps.

Terranovan
Guest
Terranovan

Another (relatively) minor issue that I’ve read at https://io9.gizmodo.com/whats-causing-the-mysterious-hums-heard-around-the-worl-1827554310:
“Others, like Hugo winner John Scalzi, have also shared their experiences as budding writers and artists, imploring Worldcon to give newer creators the same treatment they received when they were first starting out.”
Hypocritical, according to what I’ve read of how John Scalzi treats newer creators.

Doctor Locketopus
Guest
Doctor Locketopus

> “Others, like Hugo winner John Scalzi, have also shared their experiences as budding writers and artists, imploring Worldcon to give newer creators the same treatment they received when they were first starting out.” Yeah, that was his second reaction. His first reaction was one of his patented passive aggressive sniffs about the Great John Scalzi only getting one panel slot. However, he soon realized which way the wind was blowing and sent up the Virtue Signal. I’ve noted before that Scalzi has a keen ear for the sound of approaching tumbrils, and will do anything humanly possible to divert… Read more »

Pseudotsuga
Guest
Pseudotsuga

He needs to divert his nice lawn to a person who is lawn deprived.

Julie A Pascal
Guest

They’re all minor issues.

That’s part of the entertainment. Like the Princess and the Pea. The smaller the issue that has you all worked up, the higher status you can claim to have.

Mark
Guest
Mark

Are they allowing Vikings? They go berserk and rape, pillage and burn villages you know.

Captain Comic
Guest
Captain Comic

To: International Lord of Hate (IntSecRef Decode – Larry Correia) From: Evil League of Evil Faceless Minion #6969 (IntSecRef Decode – The Evil League of Evil has no record of any associate with the designation “Faceless Minion #6969”. Furthermore, our organization completely disavows any knowledge of, approval for, or participation in any activities past, present or future undertaken by this individual.) Re: Subterfuge I have completed arrangements for infiltration of the Annual Conclave of Liberalism (classic form: WorldCon) and am preparing efforts to undermine their agenda by means of social sabotage (ref: exposing them to themselves). Lacking sufficient wit/ideas to… Read more »

David-2
Guest
David-2

I looked at that fozmeadows link above and am amused to report that even though I buy indie SF on Kindle by the metric carload I didn’t recognize a single name at all in that blog post. I also don’t know who or what fozmeadows is (not even if that’s a name or an acronym or something else). And so now back to my regularly scheduled Brunner, Del Arroz, Stirling, Grant, Hardy, Cole, Lozito, and Vox Day reading festival, to name only those authors whose works I’ve purchased since July 1 2018. And why isn’t Correia on that list, huh?… Read more »

BobtheRegisterredFool
Guest
BobtheRegisterredFool

Foz Meadows is the wife of an apparently male university professor. Also some sort of LGBT type and alleged writer of science fiction and or fantasy. Said professor by some coincidence apparently has the same obscure academic interests as a troll, whose handle some of us at times misspell as camel floppy. Said troll has been known to post from locations Meadows is known to have been at, at times during what should be university business hours. Said troll has been a fairly persistent anti-puppy, and has waded into controversies that might possibly be beneficial to Foz’s career. But we… Read more »

Doctor Locketopus
Guest
Doctor Locketopus

> gangster from Mars

That would be a great name for a hip-hop Bowie tribute band: “Ziggy Stardust and the Gangstas from Mars”.

junior
Guest
junior

Larry just put out a new MH book! And I don’t see Ringo on that list. His latest Monster Hunter book was released after July 1! Why is he not on your list!?

(unless, of course, you got Ringo’s book as an e-arc; if so, then all is forgiven)

John
Guest
John

Larry’s stated previously that the forthcoming Grimnoir books (set, IIRC, some years after the original books) would be tackled after his current projects (We just got a couple of new MHI books, one from the main series and the other the Ringo spin-off) and the coming out in February 2019 Saga of the Forgotten Warrior Book 2. So he is writing stuff. At his current rate, I’d say he’s doing pretty well.

Monty
Guest
Monty

Can you print your works on softer material, so they’re at least redeemable as toilet paper?

Rick Anderson
Guest
Rick Anderson

Monty, could you do us all a favor and color the font for your comments white so no one would have to see them?

gmmay70
Guest
gmmay70

Monty, rather than publicizing your daddy issues, try a therapist.

Emilio
Guest
Emilio

Has anybody told them that they cannot use the Hugo award as a dildo, as it is too pointy?

Max
Guest

Clearly, you have not read “Pounded In The Butt By My Hugo Award Loss” by Chuck Tingle.

Neither have I, but, to quote the ostentatiously-named droid L337 from the latest Star Wars Han Solo movie, “It works.”

Brad R. Torgersen
Guest

What snapped it for me was when they cheered themselves delivering NO AWARD against Mike Resnick and Toni Weisskopf. The CHORFholes were tasteless and classless enough. But to NO AWARD Mike and Toni — two people who have literally devoted their whole adult lives to celebrating and enriching SF/F — and then cheer about it . . . that’s when the mask completely fell. From off their faces. These are not lovers of genre. They do not celebrate the field. They celebrate their “club” and having dominion within it. They are the ugly side of geek enthusiasm. The children who… Read more »

Julie A Pascal
Guest

It was truly amazing to watch what we’d now call after that one reporter woman and her “So what you really mean is…” treatment of Jordan Peterson.

Pup: I miss my adventure and sensawunder.

PupKicker: So what you’re saying is that you hate women and POC.

Orvan Taurus
Guest
Orvan Taurus

Prediction (if not this year, well, eventually): The accident report will conclude that the crash was the result of Controlled Flight Into Terrain.

Good to not be aboard.

Brad R. Torgersen
Guest

Julie, I had my Peterson-Newman moment, when I was interviewed by Amy Wallace. Peterson has described several times how he’s given honest interviews to reporters and other people, who only reveal their agendas after the fact — and leave 98% of what Peterson says, in the trash heap. Using only enough of what he says, to fit into their narrative: that despite Peterson being a reasonable guy, Peterson is in fact a Very Bad Man. That’s their story going into the interview, and they will twist the shit up any way necessary, to keep their story coming out of the… Read more »

Julie A Pascal
Guest

Well at least you’re in excellent company.

And that’s also why anyone anymore is advised to record or tape any interview they do as part of the agreement to do an interview at all.

Brad R. Torgersen
Guest

Yup. “You want to interview me? No problem. I am recording this whole thing myself. Hope that’s not a problem, either.” I wish I’d done that on a dozen different occasions.

Sarah Hoyt
Guest
Sarah Hoyt

I found it particularly interesting the times you said “Sarah, I referred you. They will call you.”
NOT A SINGLE ONE CALLED THE FEMALE IMMIGRANT FOR WHOM YOU WERE TAKING THAT BULLET (because cancer. Yah, gone. I’m fine.) Not. A. Single. One.

Shadowdancer
Guest

Pretty much. And I am still somewhat surprised anyone takes that ‘reporter’ seriously, when it was clearly obvious that she was trying to railroad Peterson into a response she wanted.

Patrick Chester
Guest
Patrick Chester

I’ve seen what I call the “So… Game” for a couple of decades by now on comments sections, Forums and Usenet. Newman raised it to such an utterly ridiculous level she got turned into a meme for it.

A well-earned fate.

AuricTech
Guest

I would then recommend both neurological and psychological exams to said PupKicker, as auditory hallucinations of that magnitude could be a symptom of a severe disorder.

Nicki
Guest
Nicki

It was so depressing that year! But you know what? It at least showed these fetid buttholes for what they really are.

Pat
Guest
Pat

Brad: So I’m a registered Independent. I vote for more Democrats than Republicans. I’m rather liberal socially. That said, I supported the Sad Puppies. I had friends who were outraged about it, so I asked them if they could tell me why. It was just regurgitated talking points about how you and Larry are evil and hate gays, women, and POC. No proof of that was ever provided, but I got a lot of “well, I can just tell.” It’s shit like that, you know, that keeps me from ever really considering myself a liberal. That, and what you said… Read more »

Leigh Kimmel
Guest

Right now I am *so* glad that we decided to skip this year’s Worldcon the minute their dealers’ room published booth prices (we paid that much for booths at a 50,000-person comic con and lost money, and that one was only two days’ drive, so we’re sure not going to make money at that rate with a 5,000-person Worlcon that’s four days’ drive away, even if we’ll be staying with family once we get there). When a comic con promoter that runs two of our bread-and-butter shows announced that they’re starting a new convention that weekend, we snapped up booths,… Read more »

Jennifer
Guest

Ha! *She says while enjoying her hot mac and cheese with brisket*

Evenstar
Guest
Evenstar

I have not experienced such schadenfreude since watching the reaction of the media to the results of 2016 Presidential election.

Shadowdancer
Guest

Actually, the schadenfreude hasn’t stopped on that score, and the ride still hasn’t ended. Oh man, it is awesome!

JAWolf
Guest
JAWolf

Too bad these folks abhor Kipling as a doubleplusungood CIShet dead white male imperialist. Then they might have known about the Danegeld.

Shadowdancer
Guest

They’re the sorts who pay the Danegeld, again and again and again, willingly, while saying it is their privilege to do so.

Mort Imer
Guest
Mort Imer

If I keep eating popcorn and laughing at these shenanigans, I’m gonna die choking on popcorn.

Shadowdancer
Guest

Very off topic; but I wonder if there will be reprints of The Monster Hunters omnibus? I’ve been using them as my gifted drug to introduce your work to folks.

Loyd Jenkins
Guest
Loyd Jenkins

Hosea 8:7 For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind:

curtis
Guest
curtis

Not everybody can toss out a “y’all” but you did it perfectly.

Throbbin Yobbin
Guest
Throbbin Yobbin

It is important to understand that Larry is a White man who owns devices of death. Women and minorities have a rational fear he will kill them. That is why his presence at certain conferences is problematic.

He can kill them and get away with because if someone calls the cops they will only start shooting People of Color.

Christopher Chupik
Guest
Christopher Chupik

Dear Throbbin’: LARRY. ISN’T. WHITE!

Tom Simon
Guest

Guns bleach your skin retroactively. This is why black-on-black violence isn’t a real thing, except in the minds of the VRWC. African-American gang members are all innocent baa-lambs, but as soon as one picks up a gun, the Eeevil NRA Mind Control Waves turn him into an Eeevil White Guy and he becomes a mindless serial killer. And the magic is so powerful that it erases his whole past, so that he was ALWAYS white. The same applies to all People of Colour (pbut). Which means Mr. Correia, having handled a gun at least once, is not one of those,… Read more »

Throbbin Yobbin
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Throbbin Yobbin

Since Whiteness is a social construct that confers upon its beneficiaries a belief in their own innate superiority and endowed with a right to dominate People of Color by any means necessary it does follow that a man who looks White and acts White is White regardless of ancestry or genetics.

Tom Simon
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Which, logically, means that Barack Obama and Louis Farrakhan are two of the Whitest men alive. Your move.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

You’ve tipped your hand. You MUST be a parody. Either that, or you’re the fourth*-dumbest troll on the internet.

*Amazingly, I know three people *dumber* than this. Two have posted here.

E P
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E P

But since your definition of White includes a “belief in their own innate superiority” and I most definitely do NOT possess that belief, does that mean I am “not White” despite my relatively pale complexion and majority Northern European ancestry? After all, by your definition I do not “act White”.

Tom Simon
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Sorry, E P. Throbbin Yobbin says you’re White, and White people are defined by their belief in their own innate superiority. Therefore Throbbin knows you believe in your own innate superiority. Clearly Throbbin, who has never met you and knows nothing about you, is a far better judge of what you actually think and believe than a rotten Whitey like you.

(File under, ‘Who are you going to believe, your lying eyes or me?’)

Throbbin Yobbin
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Throbbin Yobbin

E.P.–

Since Whiteness is a social construct it is not relevant what you do or do not believe; society believes in the innate superiority of Whites who receive benefits at the expense of People of Color because of this belief. Unless you are actively working to abolish Whiteness, you are complicit in the exploitation of People of Color that benefits you.

Throbbin Yobbin
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Throbbin Yobbin

I am doing my part to abolish Whiteness by explaining how the social construct of Whiteness works to uneducated White people. Some of them are named Tom

gmmay70
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gmmay70

Oh oh, now do The Patriarchy!

E P
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E P

Hooray, the troll replied to me! That really makes my day. As long as you are still replying, I’d love it if you would explain to me how calling to “abolish Whiteness” does not count as advocating genocide. After all, it seems that it’s impossible for me to stop “being white” (despite the fact that “whiteness is a social construct”). Therefore it seems to me that the only two things I can do in order to participate in the abolition of whiteness are to kill myself, or to refuse to reproduce. (Is that mansplaining? I am female after all, and… Read more »

Tom Simon
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Believe me, Throbbin Yobbin, I am not ‘uneducated White people’. I do not require you to mansplain your idiocy to me. I am perfectly versed in all the varieties of illogic that your ideology requires in lieu of rational thinking (which is an Eeevil Tool of the CisHetWhite Patriarchy, or whatever you’re calling it today). I also know that they are 100% B.S. and do not work for any purpose other than keeping your minds wrapped in a protective cloud of stupidity. I understand you perfectly. I just don’t agree, because I am not as stupid as you choose to… Read more »

E P
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E P

If you were really afraid of Larry, you would advocate for MORE people to be able to carry guns, so they could defend themselves against people as big and strong as he is. I’m an average-sized woman and would stand no chance of protecting myself from a guy as big as he is without the use of a firearm.

Tom Simon
Guest

Ah, but we have already demonstrated that carrying guns turns you into an Eeevil White Guy, which is the only thing in the world that is worse than being shot by one. So people can only protect themselves from Eeevil White Larry by becoming him.

Why, oh, why are you advocating genocide against People of Colour by demanding that they put their innocent, immaculate hands on horrible, horrible G-*-Ns?!

E P
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E P

If picking up a gun is what turns me into Larry, where can I go to collect my multimillion-dollar-bestselling-author privilege?

Throbbin Yobbin
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Throbbin Yobbin

It is important to remember that communism has only failed be caused it was menaced by agressive capitalist imperialism. Look at the history of the genocidal American-supported death squads in places like Nicauragua and El Salvador or the CIA stooge Pinochet who probably killed more people than all of the communists combined. The capitalists slaughter anyone who can provide a good example of worker justice so their own people will not see an alternative model of a society based on compassion instead of greed.

DeTroyes
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DeTroyes

Oh, look. A left-handed fascist troll.

Move along, Clamps. No one’s buying your codswallop here.

Wes
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Wes

I’m thinking Throb Yob has got to be a mole. No one able to operate a computer could type that tripe with a straight face. It’s got to be meant as a caricature of a parody of a joke of what someone thinks a LibProg actually believes.

DeTroyes
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DeTroyes

Sadly, I’ve encountered enough Marx-cultists who sound exactly like this twerp and believe this tripe 100%. He could be trolling, or he could be the real deluded deal.

Either way, mocking him is the best response.

gmmay70
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gmmay70

Poe’s Law has been invoked. I’m betting satire though, the stupidity quotient is just too high for believability.

Really top notch stuff, old boy.

*Adjusts evil capitalistic monocle.*

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

If the “whiteness” stuff isn’t satire, it’s close enough to be on the event horizon of it.

Kristophr
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Kristophr

“Look at the history of the genocidal American-supported death squads in places like Nicauragua and El Salvador or the CIA stooge Pinochet who probably killed more people than all of the communists combined.” So Pinochet and the CIA killed over 120 million people? 120 million is the 20 Century death toll from all of the various flavors of Socialism, from Adolf Hitler and his National Socialists, to International Socialists like Pol Pot. The current population of Chile is a little over 18 million. Could you show me pictures of the 120 million man mound of corpses in Chile? What dimension… Read more »

Tom Simon
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Clearly the CIA killed 120 million people in Chile, because there are not 120 million people living there now. That’s glory for you (as Humpty Dumpty said).

Throbbin Yobbin
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Throbbin Yobbin

I am not sure where you get the 120 million figure, it sounds like the number of people who were killed in fatigue, dehydration, poisoning, heat stroke and kidney infections from the brutal working conditions in corporate factories and farms.

At any rate Hitler was a fake socialist not a real one. He was a lackey of the corporations. The same is true of fascism. After all, Mussolini quipped that fascism was best described as corporatism.

True socialism is about compassion and caring. All those killed by true socialists were in the context of war imposed on them by capitalist powers.

Tom Simon
Guest

If you’re trolling for lulz, kindly stop. If you believe any of the poisoned balloon juice you are posting, kindly seek professional help. You are darkening counsel, and it is not amusing in the slightest.

Wes
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Wes

Try reading a history book, “Throbbin”. And, let’s dispense with the f*cking “No True Scotsman” fallacy re: Socialism.

Xavier Basora
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Xavier Basora

Trobbin, O boy is the stupidity astronomic with this one. Riiiiight. So the Sandinstas who routinely slaughtered the Miskoto indians back in the 80s because of their alleged support of the contras but Miskotos strenously objected to objected to having their land stolen by the Sandinistas and being regarded as untermenschen as well.. Also pray tell how are the capitalists responsible for Maduro and his thugs effectively destroying a country with the biggest oil reserves at a time of high oil prices? Or again Daniel and his wife forced, FORCED to desecrate churches, beat up priests and parishioners and killing… Read more »

Kevin Findley
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Kevin Findley

So in other words, communism is so fragile, that any resistance causes it to fall apart like a wall of toilet paper. Except in Venezuela where Communism is so strong that no one has toilet paper anymore.

Christopher Chupik
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Christopher Chupik

It’s fascinating to see how the Usual Suspects are still deeply obsessed with Sad Puppies. Virtually every article on the WorldCon debacle written by someone on their side goes out of its way to bring up SP, even though we had nothing to do with this. Even before, when the completely Puppy-free Hugo nominations list was announced, they couldn’t stop talking about Puppies.

A less-informed reader might get the mistaken impression that the Puppies are somehow involved in the current woes. A better-informed one might speculate that’s exactly the mistaken impression the Usual Suspects are trying to give.

Doctor Locketopus
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Doctor Locketopus

I saw Larry’s post on Facebook about tnh’s plea for everyone (and their money) to please come back. Thought about it. Yeah… no. How about this instead: we keep going to the cons that are actually fun, and she keeps going to the ones for people whose idea of fun is seeing Mary Robinette Kowal LARPing White Savior Woman (“Always first in line to ‘speak for’ minorities everywhere, ’cause they totally can’t speak for themselves, or possibly might say the wrong thing!”, Scalzi LARPing Diversity Man (“Pudgy middle-aged rich white suburban Ohio dude by day, rainbow warrior by night!”), and… Read more »

Hunting Guy
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Hunting Guy

For those of us not on social media, can you give us a rundown on what she and Mr. Correia said?

Thanks.

Doctor Locketopus
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Doctor Locketopus

tnh posted a smarmy little cri de coeur about how she totally didn’t want anybody to “feel unwanted” and how it would totally “break her heart” if that were the case. Larry was… skeptical. The more I think about this, the more I suspect the whole thing was a planned Lenin/Trotsky-type setup. The ConJose people spent years doing the vast amount of work to get the con together, virtue-signaling as hard as they could all the while, only to have the Tor mob deploy their crack MANUFACTURED OUTRAGE!!!! team to mount a last-minute coup. Oh, the ConJose team is still… Read more »

Ian
Guest

Thank you for your post.

E P
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E P

TNH lamented the following on Twitter: “some uncontrollable number of SF fans out there were left believing they were somehow Not Wanted by established fandom. This breaks my heart.” Larry replied by pointing out she was one of the most outspoken members of the hate group that tried to push him, his friends, and his fans out of the SF/F community during the Sad Puppy Era. Mostly by lying about them and accusing them of every form of bigotry under the sun. The fact that she can, in one breath, accuse an entire swath of the SF/F community of being… Read more »

Tom Simon
Guest

Well, it’s quite simple, isn’t it? Larry and the Puppies were never any part of the SF/F community, which is defined by its absolute ideological commitment to the daily changes of ‘line’ imposed by the kaleidoscopic orthodoxy of the Postmodern Left. Therefore, by excluding them, TNH excludes nothing, and by dehumanizing them, TNH only gives appropriate treatment to things that were never human to begin with. Remember, the only flaw in the Sacrament of Abortion™, according to the Postmodern Left, is that it is unfortunately impossible to perform retroactively. The most you can do is declare your opponents to be… Read more »

E P
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E P

Tom, you display an unprecedented talent for comprehending the inanity of the far left, and for that I salute you. Bravo, sir. (Or is it okay for me to call you sir? Maybe “zir” is more inclusive.)

Tom Simon
Guest

EP, you may of course call me ‘sir’ if you wish, and I appreciate the courteous intent; but I’m a peasant, I am, and more likely to answer to ‘Hey, you!’

(It isn’t really a talent; a lot of it comes from being stuck in Canada, I’m afraid.)

E P
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E P

Well, I am an American, and as such I take no notice of class distinction and apply “sir” or “ma’am” to all people equally. I’m sorry you are trapped in Canada, though. I’ve met enough sane, rational Canadians to know that many are good people, but I also had to put up with some of the crazy on the regular when I lived in a city where there were many Canadian expats. I can’t comprehend how one can put up with it so constantly.

Christopher Chupik
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Christopher Chupik

Laughter is usually the best response, I find.

Julie A Pascal
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I think it was some *unknowable* number of people, not *uncontrollable* number of people, but yes. Seriously… she thinks that the message of Sad Puppies made them feel unwelcome. It could never have been going to a filk session and and finding out that the songs were anti-religion or anti-conservative rather than fun songs about science fiction or fantasy. Oh no! It could never be going into a con panel and listening to the panelists all agree that people who believe in God are anti-science and can’t figure out how infectious disease works. It could NEVER have been going to… Read more »

E P
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E P

I checked again and it was “uncountable number”. My brain must have skimmed a bit and typed a work that looked similar, but semantically didn’t really fit. Sorry about that. You are spot-on about the wrongthink analysis. I’ve been a religious person all my life (only recently realized I was politically conservative as well) and the amount of ridicule is unbearable. They either don’t realize that rational, intelligent, science-loving religious people exist, or they treat us like the exception and assume that because we love science we must not be *really* religious. Like all I do is listen to sermons… Read more »

Lawson
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Lawson

Wait, what happened specifically? Why job has kept me busy the last few weeks.

Christopher Chupik
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Christopher Chupik

“mildly disturbing

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MRK & allies may go down as the people who saved Worldcon from Puppy Active Measures. Would be great if people can chip in for this!”

What Puppies?

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

The Trotskyites and Wreckers deeply hidden in the Worldcon membership.

Christopher Chupik
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Christopher Chupik

The purges will continue until fandom improves!

E P
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E P

I’m imagining one of those group photos of everyone who attended a convention event, but with faces scratched out or inanimate objects mysteriously placed in the foreground. A group of panelists where there are more pairs of feet under the table than there are faces above it. That sort of thing.

Zsuzsa
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Zsuzsa

Not a chance. Uncle Joe and his crew didn’t have Photoshop so were forced to make due with those crude methods. These days, even those as incompetent as the usual puppykickers can make people disappear from photos so smoothly that it will look like they were never there.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG

The very excellent movie “The Death of Stalin” had Soviet era remove and replace photo editing as a credits gag.

E P
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E P

I have seen “The Death of Stalin” and I agree, it was a fantastic movie, and the end credits effects were perfectly done. The whole film was such a perfect blend of the horrifying and the humorous. I think I need to watch it again now.

Tom Simon
Guest

When the leaders of a revolutionary movement grow senile, they generally start having flashbacks to old battles. When Stalin was dying, he warned the CPSU to be ceaselessly vigilant against Mensheviks and Social-Revolutionaries. The Mensheviks had been outlawed in 1921; the SRs were on the losing side in the Russian civil war, and their remaining leaders were formally tried and condemned in 1922. But dotty old Uncle Joe was still seeing them under every bed in 1953.

Is it any surprise that dotty old Aunt Teresa and her friends are seeing puppies in their certified pet-free zone?

Julie A Pascal
Guest

The Puppies that had taken over the ConCom for World Con this year, you silly thing you!

Wes
Guest
Wes

This OP has become positively grim.

It needs………………………..Police Lip Sync Challenge!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DueI8bKEhaE

Wes
Guest
Wes

Seriously? I can’t get any love for Police Lip Sync Challenge?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DueI8bKEhaE

Any? Now I has a sadz.

Jon Bromfield
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Jon Bromfield

Because SJWs are never happy, I expect Mary Three Names’ reprogramming to please very few and may cause an even greater sh*t storm.

Look to see many panels with 12-15 panelists talking to less than 5 geeks in the audience.

This one may actually be fun to attend!

Julie A Pascal
Guest

They’re starting to release the program online.

I want to be scrupulously fair and say that *possibly* there are so many good panels that the ones that people are pulling out and posting and mocking are a small number compared to the total but oh is it amazing.

And they’ve even given old ladies with long publishing careers a panel or two, pointing out how old they are.

Julie Pascal
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Julie Pascal

They’ve got a How to be an Ally panel that includes, “and what to do when you mess up.” Because you will. Oh, and a “non-toxic masculinity” panel with all women panelists. I’d like to see the “non-toxic femininity” panel with all men. 😉 At the end of the day, though, filling all market niches is what a good free market person believes in, so more power to them. A person does sort of wonder though, who goes to a panel at a sci-fi convention to find out how to properly grovel when you screw up and how not to… Read more »

Kord
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Kord

The behaviour reminds me of Sgt. Colon guarding his few remaining sugar lumps in The Fifth Elephant.

Martin grey
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Martin grey

Just a heads up, apparently one of sarkisian’s fam boy assaulted one of her detractors. Cheek out the quartering on youtube