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A Monster Hunter Nation Opinion Piece: Mike Glyer is a Scumbag

For those of you who aren’t familiar with the seedy underbelly of fandom, File 770 is a garbage gossip column website run by a scumbag named Mike Glyer. His whole shtick is to be a news aggregator for the sci-fi/fantasy business and collect links from people who actually create things for a living. He play acts at being an impartial journalist, but in reality everything he does is slanted to screw over anybody he doesn’t like.

He chums the water for his horde of psychos so they can go about forming internet lynch mobs, boycotts, and black ballings. But then he pretends to be all impartial and above the fray. If you ever want to lose all faith in humanity, read the comments there. His regulars range between basement dwelling goons, creepy weirdo stalkers, and angry rainbow haired social justice warriors.

If you are in any writer’s groups with conservative or libertarian authors in them, then you’ve inevitably heard about this shithole website. We mostly call it Vile 770 or File 666. At one point or another that page has tried to start shit with every author who gets on Glyer’s bad side. Because when you are ever the nail that sticks up, the File 770 crew are the hammer that wants to knock you back down. Luckily, they’re about as effective as a Fisher Price squeaky hammer. So mostly we just mock them.

No matter how big or small you are, if you write something that draws their ire, Glyer will link to you, write some passive aggressive misleading bullshit, and then his little minions will go out of their way to slander you. You are evil and their side is all goodness and light. Usually the slander is about how insignificant and unimportant their foes are, and how they totally don’t even know who you are, which is ironic coming from comments that are bizarrely fixated with your personal details. Across the board they are jealous, spiteful, and really kind of pathetic.

I drew his ire several years ago with my campaign to show that the Hugos were biased. Since Glyer has like 40 something Hugo nominations he took that personal. Go figure. (Sadly, I wish I was exaggerating that number).  He’s been linking back to me constantly ever since, always muck raking and shit stirring. He’ll usually post some passive aggressive thing about look how evil I am, his flying monkeys get riled up, and then he acts all innocent and says he was just reporting the news.

Since I’ve got nothing but contempt for the two faced bastard, I just delete his track backs and move on. I still come up a lot over there . My guess is he really hates me because unlike most authors I don’t dance around with fake politeness. They love fake politeness. They screw you over with impunity, and when you fight back, then they are all about “tone”.

I can’t stand to read the smug bastards, but I’ve got some fans who are gluttons for punishment, so they lurk over there and collect the most psychotic comments for our amusement. Some of those folks need serious help.

Then yesterday I saw a post on Facebook about how sci-fi author Jon Del Arroz was getting screwed over by File 770 (his problems started when he came out as a Trump voter). Not my story to tell, but short version, after a series of events where Glyer did his typical shifty, backstabbing, half-truth “reporting” about Jon getting black balled from a con, Jon wasn’t allowed to defend himself, because of the usual “Tone” and “You Sound Angry” (well, duh, normal people get angry at lying scumbags).

So Jon was lamenting this situation about how the 770 vultures were prematurely dancing on his grave. Glyer had already shown up elsewhere in the thread, doing his little passive aggressive dance, where after helping to fuck over an author’s career, he pretends like he was in on the joke, and it was all in good fun.

Then the following subthread occurred. Once it got rolling a lot of people were chiming in, mostly beating Glyer like a tetherball, but for this post I cut all those out so it is just me, him, and the pertinent bits we respond to. Here is the whole thing if you’d like to read it all and judge for yourself. https://www.facebook.com/jondelarroz/posts/10208023731544306

Larry Correia Trust me. Nothing infuriates the morons on that idiot page more than your continued success. One of the main reasons I love to post about any of the good things that happen in my career is that it pisses them off to no end how after years of pronouncing my career irreparably ruined I’m still working and selling.

Mike Glyer It’s good to hear Larry’s career was not irreparably ruined

(Now I was just going to make that one comment to try and help another writer ignore the haters trying to drag him down, and then get back to work. Only Glyer had to go and respond. Several years of dealing with him have left me with zero patience and a whole lot of contempt. )

Larry Correia Go fuck yourself, Glyer.

Mark H Wandrey I can only wish for a fraction of the ‘Failure’ Larry Correia is experiencing in his career.

Dan Humphreys Mark H Wandrey amen to that, brother!

Mike Glyer Mark H Wandrey I predict you will have no trouble achieving that fraction of failure.

Dan Humphreys Well, that’s just a little passive aggressive.

Mike Glyer Psychological warfare? Medic, I’m hit!

(And there is nothing more obnoxious than when a guy who has gone out of his way to screw people then jumps in and acts like you are buds. “Ha ha, it’s so funny all those times I deceived others and portrayed you as something you are not in order to rile up my mob of psychos. Wasn’t that a hoot?” These assholes thrive on fake civility. I wasn’t in the mood. So screw it. Let’s go. )

Larry Correia I don’t do passive aggressive like Glyer. I do active aggressive. Which is why I will clearly state that Mike Glyer is a worthless chunk of human garbage, who spends his time chumming the water to entertain a bunch of basement dwelling has beens and never weres. He’s a pathetic, fundamentally dishonest, sack of crap who plays to an audience of petty, jealous, dipshits.

I keep seeing writers trying to honestly engage with Glyer. It’s a trap which will inevitably fail. At some point he will fuck you over for the amusement of his pack of idiots. He’s at best a high school mean girl stuck in an old fat Santa Claus looking body. There is no such thing as honest discourse with somebody that inherently pathetic.

Don’t waste your time. Just tell him to fuck off and get on with your life. When he links back to your blog desperately seeking controversy to drive his shitty traffic, just delete it and move on. There’s no point in engaging with him or the oddly fixated weirdos like Camelstraw Fepeldouche, the brigade of interchangeable rainbow haired harpies, or whatever Clamps is calling himself this week.

Fuck ’em, Jon. Go write books, entertain your fans, and get paid. Vile 770 is fandom’s sewer.

Mike Glyer Whereas Larry Correia is the thinnest-skinned author in sff.

Larry Correia If by “thin skinned” you mean I refuse to coddle liars and fools, sure. Why not?

But that was just another You Sound Angry. Naw. I can say with complete dispassion that you are scum. Try again, you predictable fuck.

Mike Glyer You’re also incapable of telling the truth, too. You just saw my name and started obscenely frothing at the mouth.

Larry Correia I’m telling the truth. In this case you are such trash that I can’t covey it without using obscenity.

A further example of what a lying piece of shit you are, how now you play all innocent, like my animosity for you comes out of nowhere. As if this one thread on the internet exists in a vacuum, and you haven’t already proven yourself as trustworthy as gas station sushi.

Jon is merely discovering the truth about your despicable nature. A lesson many of us have already learned.

So scamper off back to your den of idiots. They’ll believe you. Outside of that cesspool people can see you for the fucking two faced scumbag you are.

(At this point, Jonathan LaForce pointed out that he really didn’t like me when we first met, I was a lot of bad things, but dishonest wasn’t among them. After Glyers’s next comment about me lying in this very thread he got about twenty requests for a cite. None was forthcoming until today on his stupid webpage, which is what caused me to compile this blog post. But I’ll get to my supposed lie at the end.)

Mike Glyer Jonathan LaForce What a silly statement to make. He lied right here in this thread.

Larry Correia I lied right here in this thread? Yeah. I was being charitable when I said you were a high school mean girl trapped in a fat old Santa Claus body. That was completely unfair to Santa and high school girls. But you are just such a sack of shit that it is hard to come up with human comparisons.

Eric Haley This is the reason Larry Correia is one of my favorite authors!

Mike Glyer Eric Haley Because he has an uncontrollable impulse to rave obscenely?

Larry Correia Awwww… the passive aggressive character assassin is upset I use bad words in a thread about how he and his gang of clowns is trying to fuck over the career of yet another writer.

Lick my balls, Glyer.

Mike Glyer Larry Correia As soon as you graduate high school you’re going to find out there’s a lot of people who aren’t impressed by that.

Mike Glyer You guys just keep huffing and puffing, because Larry desperately needs your help reinflating his leaky ego balloon.

Mike Glyer I hope you can get that IQ transfusion you seem to desperately need.

Larry Correia So the lying character assassin thinks I’m mean and immature because I won’t accept his bullshit.

Fuck you. Insults are all you deserve, cur.

Normally when I argue with people online there is some verbal sparring and attempts at humor. Not with Glyer. With him I’ll speak plainly. He is scum.

His band of psychos is the reason my kids can’t use their real names on the internet. He feeds their asinine jealously and spite through a passive aggressive and highly biased “reporting”, all while he plays at being impartial and honest.

He’s the lowest form of liar. He follows a pattern, pick a target, “report”, usually in the most biased, shitty, sleazy way possible. Knowingly painting people as things they aren’t, then riling up the mob to destroy their reputation.

Like in Jon’s case, if the author unwittingly tries to set the record straight, Glyer will act all impartial and nice, all honey and sweetness, but he’s a viper. And as soon as it helps his shitty pathetic traffic, he starts the process over again.

I’m in author groups. He does this to everyone naive enough to buy into his act.

Even though he knows I think he is lower than whale shit, he routinely links to my blog simply because he knows it will rile up his psychos.

Then when the psychos are attacking your rep and threatening your business, he acts all nice, like oh I’m just a guy with a fanzine that reports the news, as he tosses another bucket of blood in the water.

I just delete all his trackbacks. Honestly, his blog traffic is so pathetic that on any given day he doesn’t even make the top 10 in my referrers list.

Glyer is doing his pathetic little dance here now because he can’t stand someone having his number. He likes to play at being a journalist, but he’s just a petty, sad, little man.

Now he is reduced to arguing like a little kid, trying to get the last word in, with feeble little jabs, because he simply can’t handle being exposed for the snake that he is.

And once he gets done poisoning the well against Jon, he will move onto the next author who gets out of line.

Because Glyer isn’t even a bully. He’s something worse. He’s a ring leader. He doesn’t even have the balls to be a bully. He’s a worm tongue, whispering lies, and stirring up bullies.

Mike Glyer is a piece of shit.

Larry Correia You have to understand, Glyer is a parasite. He doesn’t create anything. He has made a “career” out of aggregating information about people who do. At some point he discovered he could feel like a big man if he muck raked and screwed over some creators for the amusement of his tribe.

His one claim to fame is that an inbred circle jerk has given him like fifty awards for having a website that became obsolete the day Google was invented.

And just think, this pathetic weasel is talking about when I grow up. But in the real world I’ve done things and created things. So your useless opinion is duly noted, you wretched parasite, and I’ll just reiterate my initial response. Fuck off.

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And as of this morning, Glyer is still over on that Facebook thread trying the “neener neener I smart you dumb” school of argument against my fans, who are having a gleeful time seeing what caliber of human being he truly is.

But anyways, apparently Glyer took my advice and scampered back to his lunatic asylum. The reason for this blog post. In one of the aforementioned writer’s groups, somebody shared this.

Glyer

So… I’m a liar because his blog has more traffic than mine does? Hmmm… Okay, let’s break this down, because it is a fantastic example of the fundamental dishonest nature of the parasite we are dealing with. He’s also a great example of Brandolini’s Bullshit Asymmetry Principle, in that it takes an order of magnitude more effort to refute bullshit than to create it.  

  1. I did not say that my blog had more traffic. Since I’m a novelist who blogs occasionally when I feel like it, and the only thing he does is blog, I’d certainly hope he’d win a race that I’m not even entered in.
  2. However, my blog is still decently popular. And he does link to me quite a bit, always looking for conflict and clicks because he knows I am a topic that riles up his dimwitted and perpetually offended audience.
  3. I never said I was the only source of his traffic, and quite the contrary, have pointed out that it is his MO to post half-truths against any writer, big or small, as long as it feeds his horde of idiots. I saw during yesterday’s tether ball match where several small time bloggers and writers talked about how biased reports about them had shown up on Glyer’s page. He’s an equal opportunity douchebag.
  4. I hardly ever look at my blog stats. Jack takes care of all my web stuff for me. I’ve only ever looked at my Alexa rankings once before that I can think of, and that was back in 2015 when we switched to a new server and had to get the stats. I was surprised to be in the top 50,000 websites in the US at the time, and according to the search engine on this blog my only remark on the topic was: “According to the Alexa ratings somehow my blog is up in the top 50k of all the websites in America (and considering there has to be like 40,000 porn sites ahead of me, that’s pretty good!)”
  5. However to be fair, I did assume that File 770’s traffic was weak, mostly because during Glyer’s frequent track back pleas for attention (seriously, I think he got really sad when I quit bothering to argue with him), so few people clicked through from there that I never really noticed them. When I did check my stats he never even cracked the top 10 list of referrers, and that’s all WordPress displays unless you drill down.
  6. My blog content is way down over the last year. I’ve got a ton of paying writing out the door recently (check the last update post!) and blogging cuts into paying writing time. So I blog when I feel like it. If I actually gave a damn about my blog traffic, then I would simply write an article about gun control every week.
  7. I haven’t seen this myself because I don’t care enough to research it, but somebody in the writing group went through Alexa and did find months where I beat him and even posted the dates into the Vile 770 comments. So if anybody made false statements, it was that messed up Santa looking fetcher, not me.

So in conclusion, Glyer reports I’m a liar because he refuted something I did not say (and from #7, possibly fucked that up too) and all the things I did actually say are correct, and worst case scenario I assumed #5, yet he still managed to paint a picture of my obscene, profane, outraged, hatemongery for his idiot followers. Well, huh… It’s almost like Glyer’s post this morning did exactly what I said his MO was. I wasn’t kidding when I called him a predictable fuck.  

But wait, there’s more! Glyer is the disingenuous gift that keeps on giving. Here are the screenshots he posted this morning displaying where he courageously refuted that nefarious thing I didn’t say.

Stats MHN

Notice anything wonky with this next one?

Stats File 770

Maybe I assumed his traffic was garbage because none of his legions of Chinese fans ever bothered to click his many links to my page? Maybe my problem is that my page is written in English? 😀

 

EDIT: This was just pointed out to me (didn’t notice because the print was so small), but zoom in on the bottom right corner of his Alexa stats.

His rank in the US is 337,508.  Mine is 108,792. So in the actual country which we reside in and write for I’m 230,000 websites ahead of him. 

That’s awesome. So once you take all the Chinese bots out of the equation, you screwed up your own point with evidence that you presented!  😀 HOLY SHIT, GLYER! YOU SUCK AT EVERYTHING! 😀

You had one job, Glyer! Just one job! 😀

 

EDIT 2: It keeps getting better. Now he is deleting all the comments that point out his entire post was utter nonsense since most of his readers are imaginary spambots, so–

Mod warning

 Understandable. I’d need to provide a Chinese translation for 92% of his readers first. 😀 

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Tully
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Tully
11 days 8 hours ago

Well,nice to know that he can beat you in China! Even if he’s 230,000 some places behind you in the US.

T.L. Knighton
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11 days 6 hours ago

It actually makes sense. After all, so many of Glyer’s regulars share politics with China.

Jonathan LaForce
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Jonathan LaForce
11 days 8 hours ago

Mike Glyer is to Science Fiction and Fantasy, what loud accordion music is to a successful deer hunt.

As for Larry, he’s my friend, he’s stood by me when I needed it, and I’ll be damned if I don’t return the courtesy, one friend to another.

Benjamin Smith
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11 days 7 hours ago

Well said! I don’t know Larry personally, but I’ll plant my banner next to his, and yours.

Member
11 days 6 hours ago

and that thread is the reason I will be buying your book my next payday, well that and the fact that it looks cool as hell.

Joe Vasicek
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10 days 21 hours ago

Please don’t insult the accordions.

Jim McCain
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Jim McCain
10 days 9 hours ago

Damn thats why Ive been unsuccessful deer hunting. 😉

Shadowdancer
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9 days 22 hours ago

Right there with you, sir. Larry’s one of the good people.

DanB
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DanB
11 days 8 hours ago

Yeah, he has great traffic stats, you have great income… and a mountain. This is not a difficult call to make.

Wat Tyler
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Wat Tyler
11 days 6 hours ago

Larry didn’t have to buy his traffic stats from China.

GWB
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GWB
9 days 13 hours ago

Larry has his own mountain?!? Dang, now I’m really jealous.
(And I came here from Sarah’s overnight link on Instapundit.)

Austin
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Austin
11 days 7 hours ago

I wonder if Glyer’s ad providers know that his blog traffic is 92% bots. That would be an interesting little revelation, I think.

Jonathan Ardelean
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11 days 7 hours ago

Man I was thinking last week there hasn’t been a frisk or rant in a while. I started twitching since this is one of the 6 sites i check regularly. Im now satisfied

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Kat Wilton
10 days 15 hours ago

I adore excellent rants; would you care to share the other sites? 😉

Coop
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11 days 7 hours ago

Mike Glyer looks like the kind of guy who offers to pay his ex-wives alimony even when they don’t demand any in the settlement because he thinks they’ll eventually “wise up” to what a nice guy he is and leave their new husbands to return to him.

Brad R. Torgersen
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11 days 4 hours ago

I’m going to second Larry. You have been on a roll.

Shadowdancer
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9 days 21 hours ago

I went to the thread just to see the rest of your comments. Dude. They were glorious.

Coop
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9 days 9 hours ago

They’re spread out through multiple posts/threads. I’m too lazy to compile them all, since they were fire-and-forget anyway.

60guilders
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60guilders
11 days 7 hours ago

Here’s my question: how on earth is File 770 that popular in China? I mean, we could go with the obvious joke about birds of a feather, but I really think that comparing Chinese people to Mike Glyer might be racist by anyone’s standards.
Seriously, what gives?

Patrick Chester
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Patrick Chester
10 days 18 hours ago

Here’s my question: how on earth is File 770 that popular in China?

Veterans of the Cultural Revolution reliving their glory days and finding apt pupils to teach?

JSchuler
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JSchuler
9 days 22 hours ago

Heh, I wonder if we could fix that by posting about Tienanmen Square, organ harvesting, or Falun Gong (especially Falun Gong) on his site. Bet that traffic would dry up real quick once the CCP catches wind of all the “unhelpful” posts at that little backwater.

Book
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Book
11 days 7 hours ago

… China? An English language blog about western writers and he’s huge in … China.

China… which also happens to be the home to a lot of spam-bots and cracker probes.

We’re all very impressed. *eyeroll*

Ron Smith
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Ron Smith
11 days 6 hours ago

He’s huge in China because even microdicks are by comparison.

TANSTAAFL
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TANSTAAFL
11 days 7 hours ago

Larry, one of the greatest Ranty McRants EVAH.

No wonder I like your books.

Benjamin Smith
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11 days 7 hours ago
Larry, I’ll second Eric Haley’s statement: this is why you are one of my favorite authors. Well, that and you write awesome fiction and you seem like a stand-up guy I’d love to hang out with. This gives all of us not toeing the “acceptable” political/religious line a necessary shot in the arm. I don’t typically advertise my views or beliefs in a professional setting, but neither do I hide them, nor do I want to hide them. I shouldn’t have to, and neither should anyone else. At the end of the day I just want to write entertaining fiction,… Read more »
Adam
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Adam
11 days 7 hours ago

Larry’s rants are like heroin. So, so good… but you’re always chasing the next one, hoping to get back to what that first high was like.

Disclaimer – I have never done heroin.

Doug Northcote
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Doug Northcote
10 days 8 hours ago

Never done that either. But if it’s like this, I kinda can see the attraction.

Something like a Meme with Lindsy Lohan talking about drugs… but subtlety different.

“Rants? No I don’t do Rants. Why? Do you have some?”

elwood p. dowd
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elwood p. dowd
11 days 7 hours ago
Not gonna lie, this kind of sucks. I used to read the posts on File 770 on a fairly regular basis as a kind of one stop shopping in the SF&F genre. Found some interesting things across the year or two I had it on my RSS feed. I stopped checking the site not because of anything I recall reading, but simply because I’ve put myself on a bit of an internet diet and figured that his place was one I could drop fairly easily. But if I’d not seen this post I’d likely have not had any idea things… Read more »
Brian Niemeier
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11 days 6 hours ago

What’s morbidly fascinating is Glyer’s decision to invite ongoing public humiliation by presiding over a perpetual clown funeral, when professional dominatrices can provide the same service in the privacy of his home.

And unlike Larry, they have safety words.

60guilders
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60guilders
11 days 6 hours ago

But, Mr. Niemeier, you don’t get it–he thinks he’s winning. He’s not a masochist, he’s just delusional.

Bill Peschel
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Bill Peschel
9 days 12 hours ago

I so want to use “Perpetual Clown Funeral” for something. A punk cover band, a short story, something. That’s so evocative.

Brian Niemeier
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9 days 6 hours ago

Go forth with my blessing.

M. A. Rothman
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11 days 6 hours ago

Wow, File770 has 92.1% of the visitors from China. I call shenanigans on his site. Seems to me like lots of bots.

Whereas Larry’s site has 91.4% of the visitors from the US of A.

I’m not one to laugh or jeer at others, but when someone like Glyer goes out of his way to jeer at Larry’s stats and screws up so mightily and shows it to be the opposite of his narrative, that’s not just laughable – it’s pathetic.

T.L. Knighton
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11 days 6 hours ago
So that’s the big lie he kept referring to but refused to answer me about? Oh, that’s freaking FUNNY. Your big lie is something you never said, but it turns out that you’re right about anyway. Only Mike Glyer could screw up so completely. As another data point for folks, back on my old site, I wrote a post during the Sad Puppies kerfuffle where I fisked a woman who claimed she was ignored at book readings because she was a woman. That made it into Glyer’s roundup of the day…but he then ignored were I blasted MRAs for calling… Read more »
Dave Freer
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11 days 5 hours ago

As yet another author targeted and ‘spun’ by this pathetic ’eminence grease’ of sf, trying to get his circle-jerk friends to trash my career with his careful selective out-of-context quoting and little innuendos – thank you, Larry. You said it all so much better than I could. He gets away with the ‘just a reporter’ schtick because almost no one follows back to the original article – like you I found the trackbacks in the irrelevant 2-3. Oh and some of those circle-jerk? Sock-puppets. I wonder if he gets those from China too?

Brad R. Torgersen
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11 days 4 hours ago

But Dave, only the opinion of other Trufans counts. That’s all Mike is angling for. The real world is of no consequence. Mike merely wants that next Hugo nomination. Because he wants just one more silver dildo, to add to his collection of similar silver dildos.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
11 days 4 hours ago

He did decline his nom this year, probably because it was due in part to the Rabids.

Sarah A. Hoyt
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10 days 22 hours ago

As another victim of Vile 770, I want to second everything Dave Freer said. I also delete all links from the Monkey poo flinging site, btw. And the most I EVER got from there is 5 hits.

T.L. Knighton
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9 days 17 hours ago

I got more than five, but it was never more than a few dozen.

Even if he gets 100,000 hits on each of his posts, they clearly never click through.

Brad R. Torgersen
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9 days 14 hours ago

I am content, knowing that one of my average FB posts gets more traffic than Pravda 770 gets in a month. 😉

T.L. Knighton
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8 days 10 hours ago

Counting the bots? 😉

Dr. Biochemiker
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Dr. Biochemiker
11 days 5 hours ago

Hmm. I wonder why (or if) he started buying traffic in late January 2017? His traffic was falling off but most dramatically in early November 2016 and hit a low from December through (apparently) the Trump inauguration where it was 20% of what it was in July 2016. Perhaps he was feeling his relevance slipping away and his comfortable echo chamber started getting a bit chilly with no hot air in the comments section. Time to buy some traffic!

Reziac
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Reziac
10 days 10 hours ago

No need to buy Chinese traffic. 90% bots is normal, and the more links you have on your site, the more bots you’ll get trawling it. I have a semi-public FTP site (which is basically nothing BUT links), and I’ve had to block bots entirely because they were chewing so much resources that my hosting service bitched about it.

Tully
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Tully
10 days 9 hours ago

I checked a dozen other reasonably popular SFF web sites. NONE showed any significant portion of Chinese traffic, much less an overwhelming majority like 92.1%.

Not buying rationalizations at this point.

Murgy
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Murgy
10 days 9 hours ago

How dare you try to bring facts into this discussion?! I think I should be triggered, or something.
Mike “92% linkbots” Glyer doesn’t has to (left) justify his actions to all us Hatey McHaters. 😀

saintonge235
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saintonge235
9 days 8 hours ago

Murgy, you are correct to be triggered. Using facts and logic in an argument is racist!

ravenshrike
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ravenshrike
10 days 5 hours ago

Might have something to do with the site name or an advertiser he uses that others don’t.

Matthew House
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11 days 5 hours ago

I dunno about you, Mr. Correia, but I don’t think I’d tell someone as poison-mouthed as Glyer to ‘lick my balls’… I mean, the idea of that critter coming in contact with my junk…. erg. no thanks.

Keith Glass
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Keith Glass
11 days 5 hours ago

Ahem. Glyer is ***NOT*** a scumbag. Scumbags prevent the reproduction of unwanted children.

Glyer catalyzes the genesis of even MORE de-facto children. . .

Member
11 days 5 hours ago

I can’t stand to read the smug bastards, but I’ve got some fans who are gluttons for punishment, so they lurk over there and collect the most psychotic comments for our amusement. Some of those folks need serious help.

Which “some of those folks”, the 770 readers or your masochistic fans? 😉

T.L. Knighton
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11 days 5 hours ago

Both. 🙂

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
11 days 4 hours ago

Clearly I need serious help, because I’ve combed through his comments far too often. 😀

T.L. Knighton
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11 days 3 hours ago

You’re why I answered, “Both.” 😛

Shadowdancer
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9 days 22 hours ago

You bring back the hilarity, and thank you for it.

Stephen J.
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Stephen J.
9 days 11 hours ago

You’re a far braver man than I, Gunga Din. I couldn’t do that without winding up wretchedly depressed.

Matthew Bowman
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11 days 4 hours ago

I had the same thought. 🙂

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
10 days 15 hours ago

Had a quick glance this morning, allow me to sum it up: “Blah blah, you sound angry, blah blah, you’re mean and nobody likes you, blah, blah ticky and fifth.”

deadcenter
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deadcenter
10 days 12 hours ago

So, all #2 from internet argument checklist.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
10 days 4 hours ago

An example: “Hampus Eckerman on June 13, 2017 at 11:48 pm said:
A course in anger management seems to be in order.”

Darryl Hadfield
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Darryl Hadfield
11 days 5 hours ago

Larry, you’re a dick.

That’s probably a big part of why I like you – you remind me of me. 🙂

Robert
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Robert
9 days 21 hours ago
Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik
11 days 4 hours ago

I think Glyer is desperate for some Puppy-related controversy this year. In the absence of Sad Puppies from the Hugos, this is what he’s reduced to.

The Phantom
Guest
10 days 23 hours ago

You’re reading my mind.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik
10 days 15 hours ago

That explains the disturbing visions . . .

The Phantom
Guest
10 days 4 hours ago

Yeah, its scary in here. ~:D

Shadowdancer
Guest
9 days 22 hours ago

The ASPies* have problems when they have nothing to focus on, and scream about.

*Anti-Sad Puppies, for those who aren’t aware.

Brad R. Torgersen
Guest
11 days 4 hours ago

B-b-b-but Trufandom (*cough* CHORFdom *cough*) is beautiful and perfect! Pravda 770 is a shining city on a hill! A beacon for all glorious and wonderful lovers of science fiction! No one could possibly have a problem with Trufans, right? Trufans are cuddly and huggable and they also fart lemon-scented rainbows! They giggle when you tickle the letter T on their fluffy little tummies!

60guilders
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60guilders
11 days 4 hours ago

There are persons in this world who I would not mind being on close enough terms with that neither of us would mind my tickling their tummies.
None of those people are involved with File 770.

S1AL
Guest
S1AL
11 days 3 hours ago

And just remember that this is the friendly, reformed-liberal member of the group of SFF authors Glyer has managed to completely piss off.

Benjamin Smith
Guest
11 days 42 minutes ago

Mmm, lemon-scented!

Hope all is well, Brad! Thank you for your service, and I thoroughly enjoyed The Chaplain’s War. Found several copies hidden at my local Barnes and Noble and displayed them a bit more prominently. Want to get an audiobook copy to listen to at some point soon.

Member
11 days 4 hours ago

Ah, this reminded me to go in and renew my lapsed ownership of vile770.com — if only I had something to do with it rather than park it…

Also, now I have a new author to read. I just went on Amazon and bought one Arroz book, and pre-ordered another. It’s the best F-U I can give Glyer.

Guest
11 days 3 hours ago

Chinese Bots like his site because it’s a very link-rich. But then, very little of the content is stuff he generated himself, other than the lies he adds to set the scene for his selective quoting.

Daniel
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Daniel
11 days 1 hour ago

Now that’s funny.

Richard Paolinelli
Guest
11 days 1 hour ago
Steve
Guest
10 days 23 hours ago

I’ll take “active aggressive” any day. Well done

John Kincaid
Guest
John Kincaid
10 days 23 hours ago

The difference between Glyer and a cum sock?

A cum sock serves a purpose.

Brian
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Brian
10 days 23 hours ago

Well, I won’t give the file 770 people a click to find out what imaginary thing they’re roasting this fella you mentioned for. But I will toss 2.99 at the kindle edition of his book. Figure that’s the best response possible.

Lawson
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Lawson
10 days 23 hours ago

I am still somewhat new to this, but is there really a Hugo award for websites? I kinda thought it was a book reward. Are they counting the written words on his site as an art form?

Guest
10 days 23 hours ago

Well, it used to be for Fanzines, but they have moved from the Mimmeograph to the Web.

Tully
Guest
Tully
10 days 9 hours ago

E-pubs are allowed nowadays. His nominations and awards split between Best Fanzine and Best Fan Writer.

Guest
10 days 23 hours ago

And there’s a perfect example, isn’t it? Glyer says this is a Trantrum, a lie, and misquotes through omission, and suppresses anything to the contrary. How like a Social Justice Totalitarian.

Guest
Torin3
10 days 14 hours ago
Indeed. It is like some game of LSD telephone. They build on a layer of inaccurate telepathy of what they think are the motivations of those they oppose, then they add straw and lies and hate and straw until they have a edifice of evil to fight. But it isn’t a reflection of anything real, but the Vilers treat it as such and attack anybody who refuses to accept it as the revealed truth. (Yes I’ve seen the process happen, so don’t try to convince me to disbelieve my lying eyes. – Not you Dr_Mauser, any Vilers who happen to… Read more »
The Phantom
Guest
10 days 23 hours ago
Glyer showed up ugly a couple of months ago at Dr. Mauser’s blog, in response to a comment of mine. (Yes, Mikey, I still remember. I’m sure there’s a screenshot of it somewhere.) I wondered why he was still talking Sad Puppies when there isn’t one this year. He got suuuuper offended at that. Poor baby. Couple days ago, Cameltoe Floppypants had a big blog post “wondering” where Sad Puppies 5 was. I told him we already got all the candy out of the Hugo pinata, and were tired of paying to beat the empty husk. Naturally he deleted that,… Read more »
Member
10 days 23 hours ago

Who dares summon me from my lair?
Oh. Hi Phantom. Sorry you are still sore about being in the spam filter.

The Phantom
Guest
10 days 21 hours ago

I know you read my comments, Camestros. You read the one I just left, too. The one with you and Glyer paying Vox to keep going out of sheer lack of subject matter.

That you delete them so no one else can see, that strikes me as ridiculous. That you read them, delete them, and then stalk me on other people’s blogs, that smacks of a man desperate for something to object to.

Why not comment on my blog? The Iron Finger of Deletion needs some exercise.

Member
10 days 21 hours ago

I check the spam filter every so often and also when your IP address changes it lets you through sometimes. Apparently you keep posting comments – which is fine. I’d even de-spam you if you followed through with your arguments. That’s why I gave you so much latitude in the past.

I’ll put up with a lot but not you being dull. Be interesting – I’ve a low boredom threshold (which also answers your other question).

elwood . dowd
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elwood . dowd
10 days 19 hours ago

Since you’ve taken the trouble to visit Larry’s blog, perhaps you could enlighten the great unwashed here as to why 92% of Glyer’s traffic is from China. Specifically what makes his site so popular there, and why he is having so much trouble attracting an audience in, well, places where they speak English as a first language.

Reziac
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Reziac
10 days 10 hours ago

It’s just normal bot traffic, which is attracted by linkbait. More links = more bots. There are assloads of Chinese bots (and probably some are contracted to legit search indexers).

Tully
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Tully
10 days 9 hours ago

I checked a dozen other reasonably popular SFF web sites. NONE showed any significant portion of Chinese traffic, much less an overwhelming majority like 92.1%.

Not buying rationalizations at this point

Tully
Guest
Tully
10 days 9 hours ago

Regardless of whether it’s “paid” traffic or web bots, the fact remains that it does not appear to be “real” traffic as far as actual readers.

Guest
camestrosfelapton
10 days 9 hours ago

Magical unicorn shaped mushroom pixies? How the hell would I know?

60guilders
Guest
60guilders
10 days 15 hours ago

And once again, Camestros Felapton demonstrates that he is less tolerant than the people he derides as intolerant, seeing as his schtick never changes and his arguments have about as much backing as your usual third-party candidate.

Guest
10 days 8 hours ago

The people I deride as ‘intolerant’ are those seeking to remove civil rights from others and those who promote genocide.

I don’t deride people for being intolerant for managing their blog posts because that would just be silly. I might have a laugh about it (e.g. when Vox had a meltdown at me) but they are still entitled to do it. If Larry wants to put my comments in the spam filter then that is his prerogative – it is his blog.

Greg Q
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Greg Q
9 days 19 hours ago

“The people I deride as ‘intolerant’ are those seeking to remove civil rights from others”

So you attack people who try to force Christians to be involved with same sex “marriages”? Good for you!

Guest
9 days 5 hours ago

In so far as gun control improves people’s rights, I am for it. In so far as it does the opposite, I am against. The question is then mainly empirical – where does the net effect lie and where should the balance lie.

When a domestic terrorist like James Hodgkinson attempts to murder people elected by constitutional process, then absolutely there should be questioned asked about who can access weapons and what steps can be taken to ensure the civil rights of ordinary people and even Republican politicians.

The Phantom
Guest
7 days 12 hours ago

“then absolutely there should be questioned asked about who can access weapons”

I have a question. In a world where Leftists have decided they need to KILL people over purely political issues, why do you retards keep insisting only cops should have guns? What are you going to do if Hodgekinson shows up at -your- baseball game, and there’s no cops around?

Why are you on Hodgkinson’s side and identifying targets for his follow-on brothers in arms?

Shadowdancer
Guest
7 days 59 minutes ago
Same reason why their fellow travelers like to dox. “Oh, here’s that racist anti-Islamic homophobic misogynistic hater’s address and place of work, in fact, have a map. Shame if something awful happened to them, like a terrorist attack from a Muslim angry about their Islamophobia.” In fact, that’s exactly why they’re on Hodgkinson’s side. They very well KNOW there are people on their side that will eventually be seized by ‘righteous fervour’ and ‘that’s a conveniently close target to me’ and go for it. They imagine that because their vector of attack and reasons are not within the usual criminal… Read more »
The Phantom
Guest
6 days 23 hours ago
That clamps dickhead started trolling my blog. I frustrated him so badly he left and has never returned. He would comment, and them I would delete his comment but leave his name. Then below the deleted comment, mockery. He lasted a couple hours. As to the rest of Big G’s menagerie, they seem to mostly be people with serious mental issues. Small group of very dedicated nutters. The odd one is a professional Leftist, stirring the pot for The Cause. That’s the category Floppytron falls into. Someone for whom snark, “irony” and cheap trolling are a profession. Can’t imagine the… Read more »
Guest
6 days 21 hours ago

//Same reason why their fellow travelers like to dox.//

I don’t dox and I condemn doxxing – having been the target of some doxxing attempts in the past.

I hope we can all agree that is a contemptible tactic.

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
6 days 13 hours ago

Please don’t speak on behalf of what I do and do not think is contemptible.

Republicans were an oppressed minority in the South. Scalise has recently moved from critical to serious condition, you used the attempted assassination to justify the same victim disarmament that has been used for a hundred and fifty years of Democratic terrorism.

gmmay
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gmmay
6 days 10 hours ago

Any time a progressive claims to have been doxxed, they are either lying or have been doxxed by a holier progressive.

Given the evidence provided by Robin Munn on this thread, I’ll go with the former.

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
6 days 23 hours ago

Hodgkinson was a Democrat political activist, as has been murdering Republicans since after the American Civil War. Steve Renfroe without plausible deniability and activists protesting ‘unjust treatment’. If the Republicans and Democrats had switched places at any point in history, you would know the oral history on this and why the NRA was founded. O Camel Fellating white supremacist terrorist apologist and abettor.

Guest
9 days 5 hours ago

I strongly believe nobody should be forced into any kind of marriage. If a Christian does not wish to be married to a person of the same sex then I absolutely support their right to do so – indeed a person of any religion for any kind of marriage.

60guilders
Guest
60guilders
9 days 50 minutes ago

That Mr. Felapton has stated that he is under the impression that “involvement in marriage” is limited solely to “being one of the married partners” is evidence of either mendacity or a definition of involvement that is so narrow as to be virtually useless for normal communication.

Guest
8 days 23 hours ago

I can’t speak for other people’s marriages but if I said somebody was involved in my marriage I wouldn’t mean that they sold me a cake once.

Guest
Robin Munn
8 days 22 hours ago

I can’t speak for other people’s marriages but if I said somebody was involved in my marriage I wouldn’t mean that they sold me a cake once.

You demonstrate your dishonest behavior once again. By mentioning the “sold me a cake” concept, you have just proved that you did indeed understand what Greg Q meant when he talked about people being forced to be “involved” with marriages. Which shows to everyone that your previous answer, where you pretended to misunderstand, was deliberately mendacious.

Guest
8 days 19 hours ago

//You demonstrate your dishonest behavior once again. By mentioning the “sold me a cake” concept, you have just proved that you did indeed understand what Greg Q meant when he talked about people being forced to be “involved” with marriages.//

Robin, there is a difference between understanding what a person is saying AND accepting the premise that they are attempting to include.

Not accepting a premise I believe to be false (with reason) is the opposite of being dishonest.

Guest
Robin Munn
8 days 17 hours ago
You now claim that understood what he was saying, but disagreed with the premise. What an honest man would have done in that situation would be to say so: “I do believe that Christians should be forced to bake cakes for gay weddings; that’s not a violation of their civil rights, because nobody has a civil right to object to someone else’s marriage.” See, honest statement of disagreement with premise. What you did, instead, was to argue against a point that nobody was making. Nobody here was arguing that people should be forced into marriages, and you knew that that… Read more »
Guest
Robin Munn
8 days 17 hours ago

Argh, editing typo. First sentence should read “that you understood what he was saying…”

Is there any way to get a preview button in this comment system?

Guest
8 days 17 hours ago

//What you did, instead, was to argue against a point that nobody was making.//

No, I argued *FOR* the point *I* was making and already had made.

//And now you are claiming that your behavior was not dishonest, //

Correct. It was not false nor was it misleading nor was it unrepresentative of my opinion.

//Your character is becoming more and more clear.//

Which takes us back, once again, to the only argument of significance actually being offered here.

60guilders
Guest
60guilders
8 days 15 hours ago

The fact that the point you made was completely irrelevant to the topic under discussion has apparently escaped you.

Guest
8 days 14 hours ago

You changed the premise and then pretended That’s what the argument was about. Which seems to be one of your common rhetorical tactics.

Guest
8 days 8 hours ago

//You changed the premise and then pretended That’s what the argument was about. Which seems to be one of your common rhetorical tactics.//

I didn’t change my point or the premise behind it: “The people I deride as ‘intolerant’ are those seeking to remove civil rights from others”

60guilders
Guest
60guilders
8 days 5 hours ago

So, your boys.

Greg Q
Guest
Greg Q
3 days 4 hours ago

The premise is very straight forward: I have a civil right to chose who I do business with.

And I also have a civil right NOT to be forced to engage in speech I disagree with. Such as producing a product that celebrates an event I disapprove of.

If you wish to claim that those rights don’t exist, then stop bring a pussy and make the claim

Shadowdancer
Guest
Shadowdancer
2 days 20 hours ago
Greg, you KNOW that ‘rights’ like that – the right to say no, the right to choose whom to associate with, the right to choose what jobs to take on – as far as Crapfelton and his ilk are concerned, we who disagree with their beliefs are not entitled nor expected to have those rights. Don’t believe in contraception or abortion? Why, you bigoted misogynist shithead, do what they want or never have a job again! Don’t want to bake a cake or provide a venue for a homosexual union because it’s against your religious beliefs? “Are you Muslim? If… Read more »
McChuck
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McChuck
9 days 16 hours ago

You say genocide like it’s a bad thing. Removing every last orc from Middle Earth would have no down sides and would be widely cheered as an incredible act of good.

jic
Guest
jic
9 days 5 hours ago

Orcs aren’t human, so wiping them out isn’t genocide. It’s more like wiping out smallpox.

60guilders
Guest
60guilders
9 days 48 minutes ago

That is an interesting question you bring up. Is genocide the extermination of groups of humans, or is it the extermination of groups of people, and are all people humans?
(I presume that we agree that all humans are people.)

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Robin Munn
8 days 22 hours ago

I presume that we agree that all humans are people.

Pro-abortionists don’t agree: I’ve seen, with my own eyes, pro-abortionists explicitly claim that an as-yet unborn fetus is not a person and therefore does not possess the right to life. Show them the DNA evidence that that fetus is a human, and they will maintain their claim that he/she is an unperson.

Shadowdancer
Guest
7 days 56 minutes ago

These are the same folks, by the way, that will consider bacteria on a rock in space as ‘life’ and trumpet about science being awesome. Same folks who’ll say ‘it’s just a clump of cells’ regarding an unborn human embryo.

Radioactive
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Radioactive
2 days 16 hours ago

All clumps of cells are equal, some clumps of cells are more equal than others.

Doctor Locketopus
Guest
Doctor Locketopus
10 days 10 hours ago

Camazotz Flappytongue epitomizes the modern left — all rhetoric, no logic. He’s a one trick pony whose unfailing M.O. is to excrete a few paragraphs of unoriginal and content-free snark, then pat himself on the back for his supposed “intellectual” prowess.

He/she/they/zhe became boring after about the second post I saw from him/her/zher/zhit.

Guest
camestrosfelapton
10 days 8 hours ago

That’s not fair – I’m at least a two-trick pony. 🙂

ravenshrike
Guest
ravenshrike
10 days 5 hours ago

The other trick being an imitation of the climax scene from Clerks 2?

Member
10 days 5 hours ago

Nooooo my Battersea Power Station impression….

Member
10 days 4 hours ago

Well I aim for a basic standard of civility but I’ve always been clear that I’m not impartial and I’ve always been clear about my politics and my views (at least in so far as they are clear to me). I’ll take arguments as I find them and will always aim to be at least more civil than the person I’m arguing with but I’m not going to pretend that they are talking sense when they aren’t (or don’t appear to be).

Yeah but I’ll own “annoying”.

The Phantom
Guest
10 days 4 hours ago

“Well I aim for a basic standard of civility…”

Aim higher. You’re hitting dirt.

Member
10 days 1 hour ago

Wise choice – “fixated” may not be your best choice in this context.

The Phantom
Guest
9 days 23 hours ago

Cammy is the mouthy pencil-neck at the bar that keeps eyeing your girlfriend. Always so surprised and shocked when he gets called on it.

Member
9 days 22 hours ago

As I said, I aim to be at least more civil than the person I’m arguing with.

The Phantom
Guest
9 days 6 hours ago

Mr. Felpatron sir, that was a description, not an ad hominem. You are a type. That is the type that you are. I did not make you be that way, it is all your own doing. I’m simply holding up a mirror.

If you’ll accept advice from an old man, you should stop being that way.

Shadowdancer
Guest
9 days 22 hours ago

So he’s trying to be the love child of Clamps and Glyer?

That’s not something to aspire to.

BassmanCO
Guest
BassmanCO
9 days 12 hours ago

Almost spewed my coffee, Shadowdancer. Well done.

Shadowdancer
Guest
9 days 13 minutes ago

Well, it seems like an apt description of this particular form of obsessed passive-aggressive non-menschly creepiness, BassmanCO…

John C. Wright
Guest
9 days 16 hours ago
“Well I aim for a basic standard of civility but I’ve always been clear that I’m not impartial” The man named after two incorrect forms of logical deduction had the effrontery to pop up on my blog, swaggering and boasting that he had bested me in a debate about various Green eco-frauds and scares. Like Mike Glyer, he even provided a link to his alleged rebuttal of my argument, which was merely a word-salad, a mass of evasions, elliptical phrases meaning nothing, and vapid hokum. It was, in a word, boring. He maintained throughout the same dishonest and undignified shit-eating… Read more »
Guest
9 days 7 hours ago

I’ve ruined nobody’s career nor have I ever attempted to. Certainly not yours (as if I could make the slight difference in that) but not Jon Del Arroz’s either or anybody similar. If I had that kind of power and was willing to use it, neither you nor even JCW would be my target.

What I have done is responded to the challenges made. I suppose answering back can be seen as rude in some circumstances.

Dave Freer
Guest
8 days 15 hours ago

You played your part, Camestros. You knew full well what internet lynch mobs and dishonest character assassination your buddy Glyer was chumming for. You helped, encouraged, supported, and twisted facts and lied for them. The fact that you’re a failure – like Glyer – at the career ruining is not for want of trying, but rather because because you’re inept. You have a large amount of time for it, though. Don’t you have any work at your transfer-college in the UK?

Guest
8 days 8 hours ago

It is an absurd claim you are making Dave and beneath you. I know you are capable of better.

I don’t think you are a bad person at heart Dave.

Dave Freer
Guest
7 days 17 hours ago
(Dryly) Beneath one of the untermench who must excluded and silenced? Amazing. Surely such depths were never meant to plumbed. I’ve warned you and fellow travelers before: you survive merely because your opponents have exercised a degree of honor, nobility and generosity – and not repaid your side in kind. That’s run out now. We were not all your foes – but you treated us like foes. We’ve survived and managed to grow despite the whisper campaigns, the doors closed, the anthologies we’re not welcome to, despite outselling those who are welcome, the competitions excluded from, the blackballing, the cons… Read more »
Guest
7 days 14 hours ago

// Beneath one of the untermench who must excluded and silenced?//

You throw bigger insults at yourself than I would ever. If there are sinister conspiracies against you then they are not ones I have wittingly participated in or am aware of.

I certainly haven’t silenced you – I’ve done the exact opposite.

//Yes, I still have friends on the ‘inside’ //

As an outsider, I’m happy for you.

// Otherwise, you, your partner, your friends, and your political views will find yourselves in what you imposed.//

I’m happy for you to do to me anything that I have *actually* done to you.

60guilders
Guest
60guilders
7 days 13 hours ago

I realize that you’re trying to pretend to be Patrick Cleburne, Camestros, but we know that you’re more of a William Bates type.
(Reference here: https://havechanged.blogspot.com/2013/04/civil-war-demographics.html)

60guilders
Guest
60guilders
7 days 13 hours ago
Dave Freer
Guest
6 days 18 hours ago
I’m so glad conversations of which you were a part, saying the puppies should be put down… not to mention the accusations of racism, homophobia, sexism, being a Nazi etc. were my imagination. You were there, making snarky comments. Actually only one person ever had the courage to stand up and say these were slanders… and it wasn’t you. There are quite a collection of screenshots. Your failure at the silencing and de-platforming isn’t precisely commendable. It was failure not the opposite. You certainly tried to discredit me. You supported others in that. You chose to let falsehoods stand, even… Read more »
Guest
6 days 15 hours ago
// You certainly tried to discredit me.// I certainly pointed out when I thought you were wrong. Ah! Is that what this whole thing is about? I dared say you were wrong? Seriously? That was the terrible crime I inflicted upon you? Dave, sometimes you are wrong. // You were there, making snarky comments.// And you were there making snarky comments. You are not some fragile creature – you are big enough and bold enough to cope with some snark. //being a Nazi etc. // Not only have I never said you were a Nazi, I have taken great pains… Read more »
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Robin Munn
6 days 13 hours ago
As I said further up, you are a liar. You claim to be in favor of honest debate, yet on your own blog you call Mike Glyer’s twisting of words “not particularly misleading”. In the same paragraph, you also claim to have read most of the Sad Puppy round-up posts, so you’re unable to claim ignorance. You know that Glyer twists people’s meaning, often to the opposite of what they mean, by his selective quoting and trimming of words. Yet you continue to try to provide cover for him by claiming that his quotes are “not particularly misleading”. I would… Read more »
Guest
6 days 7 hours ago

//You. Are. A. Liar.//

No. You are calling me a liar because I am refusing to lie to you. I *could* lie and agree with your views but that would be dishonest.

I don’t know why so many of you desperately want to be lied to but I shan’t do it or be bullied into doing it. Nor will silly name calling make me do it.

Dave Freer
Guest
6 days 4 hours ago
Thanks for the 10 bucks. It would have cost me a hundred if you’d been honorable and given your name. So: your promise is worthless. No real surprise there. Fieldsy, we know who you are, so we know why you do this and how false your assertions are. And your rationalizations may have helped other fellow travelers with their rationalizations. You know full well what was meant by the silencing and de-platforming, but you rationalize that that doesn’t apply to your behavior. Actually, I’m well-known for publicly admitting I was wrong – that’s how Eric and I ended up writing… Read more »
Guest
Robin Munn
6 days 13 hours ago
Dave Freer: “You knew full well what internet lynch mobs and dishonest character assassination your buddy Glyer was chumming for. You helped, encouraged, supported, and twisted facts and lied for them.” Camestros, here: “It is an absurd claim you are making Dave and beneath you.” Camestros, on his own blog: “Mike Glyer has taken his normal approach, cover what somebody is doing with minimal editorialising. Of course no news coverage is truly neutral – by it’s very nature choosing what to highlight and what not to is a necessary task and can create its own biases. However, as with the… Read more »
Guest
6 days 7 hours ago

//When you say what you truly think, you are quite happy to claim — with an utterly straight face — that Glyer’s twisting of words was “not particularly misleading”.//

Seriously? If picking things to quote is “twisting words” then you would be condemning yourself. Your point lacks so little consistency that it barely counts as an argument.

You are just restating over and over that I am a liar and when you can’t find any evidence of it creating bizarre new rules which you don’t apply to anyone else (including yourself).

Come on. You managed better arguments earlier. TRY HARDER.

60guilders
Guest
60guilders
6 days 5 hours ago
Camestros, thou hast condemned thyself. Robin Munn did not complain that Mike Glyer picked out things to quote. What she actually said, as opposed to what you said she said, is that he did his level best to quote people so as to present them in the worst light possible, a distinction that is so obvious that Hanlon’s Razor does not apply in this case. I should note, by the way, that until your most recent comment I was willing to assign your assessment of Glyer’s quote mining to a disagreement about the Puppies. Given, however, that you have–blatantly–misrepresented something… Read more »
Member
Joel Salomon
6 days 1 hour ago
60guilders, that is Camestros’s preferred mode of argument. Take a look at the “discussion” I had on File 770 a few days ago: archive.is/zpwGo and /aORhJ. To summarize: G—— made a laughably false claim about a Sad Puppies-aligned author; Mike (per his wont) quoted it in the best “let’s you and him fight” fashion; I pointed out the false premise of the original claim; G——’s comments were then artfully defended by people denying he’d said what Mike had plainly quoted him as saying; and comes Camestros Felapton to take half a phrase out of context, nitpick on the details, and… Read more »
Guest
6 days 44 minutes ago

That seems to be his favored mode of argument – redefine the discussion and terms so that we’re fighting on his battlefield using his weapons. That way he almost *can’t* lose an argument, at least to himself.

It just makes him look like a slippery eel to the rest of us.

Guest
Robin Munn
6 days 59 minutes ago
60guilders – For the record, I’m a man, not a woman. Robin *is* more often a woman’s name than a man’s name in America, so don’t feel bad about the mistake. Most people who haven’t met me in person tend to assume I’m a woman based just on the name. I suppose I could sign things as “Mr. Robin Munn”, but that just feels overly formal. Camestros – Seriously? You thought THAT lie would be remotely believable? For the record: 1. What I meant was that Mike Glyer is picking deliberately misrepresentative quotes: taking sentences out of context, omitting vital… Read more »
60guilders
Guest
60guilders
5 days 23 hours ago

Ah, thank you. The internet is tricky like that.
And yes, the fact is that Camestros is almost Glyer-like in being a compulsive liar.

Member
5 days 21 hours ago
//What I meant was that Mike Glyer is picking deliberately misrepresentative quotes// And the words you quoted from me from my blog don’t say that but rather that his quotes are not particularly misleading. Did you miss the word “not”? Or is it just that you can’t believe that I believe what I actually believe? Let me repeat it then – I have read and re-read the bulk of the Puppy related posts on the major Puppy related blogs. I do NOT believe File770 misrepresented what was written there or that the excerpts were particularly unrepresentative of apparent beliefs of… Read more »
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60guilders
5 days 14 hours ago
Come off it, Camestros. Here’s what you wrote about what Robin said: Seriously? If picking things to quote is “twisting words” then you would be condemning yourself. What Robin actually said: When you say what you truly think, you are quite happy to claim — with an utterly straight face — that Glyer’s twisting of words was “not particularly misleading”. It’s times like this that I’m glad that the ILOH has disabled the edit button, because it makes it impossible to hide that you compulsively misrepresent your opponent’s arguments when they’re right there for everyone to read. That’s why no… Read more »
gmmay
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gmmay
5 days 14 hours ago
“It’s times like this that I’m glad that the ILOH has disabled the edit button, because it makes it impossible to hide that you compulsively misrepresent your opponent’s arguments when they’re right there for everyone to read.” This fascinating but common phenomenon on the internet makes me wonder if there’s a word for it. CF’s method of argumentation is strikingly effective in verbal conversations, which is why its practitioners must think it works in written form. I’m wondering if the predictable sea-lioning is only a natural reaction from those who can’t seem to grasp the reasons for their rhetorical failures,… Read more »
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Robin Munn
5 days 12 hours ago
60guilders – Don’t bother. I got him to admit to the thing that he denied when Dave Freer first accused him of it: that he approved of how Glyer was quoting people. When Dave first accused Camestros of enabling and supporting Glyer, Camestros denied it, calling it “an absurd claim”. But now, two days later, he has gone on record, in the same comment thread, as supporting Glyer: “I have read and re-read the bulk of the Puppy related posts on the major Puppy related blogs. I do NOT believe File770 misrepresented what was written there or that the excerpts… Read more »
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5 days 7 hours ago

Nope Robin. Dave’s claim about me was this: ” You knew full well what internet lynch mobs and dishonest character assassination your buddy Glyer was chumming for. You helped, encouraged, supported, and twisted facts and lied for them. ”

That claim was absurd.
Feel free to screenshot what I have written.

60guilders
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60guilders
5 days 30 minutes ago

Dude. You literally just admitted to everything he said, either plainly or by implication.

The Phantom
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4 days 23 hours ago

Floppy, we all know who you are and how you argue. Like a cheap and not very well trained lawyer. You talk like a typical Ivory Tower snob, and you think when you come here you are talking to “those seeking to remove civil rights from others and those who promote genocide.”

That’s who we are to you. Genocidal nuts who want to bring back chattel slavery and kill everyone with a better tan than we have. This is apparent in everything you say and do.

So you can nitpick and spin until Hell freezes, but we are not deceived.

Guest
4 days 18 hours ago

//Floppy, we all know who you are and how you argue. Like a cheap and not very well trained lawyer.//

…and yet you still keep trying to post comments on my blog. You love me really Phantom 😉

Wes S.
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Wes S.
9 days 10 hours ago

Wow: Cameltoe Fibbonaci is so vile, he induced the always polite, erudite and mild-mannered John C Wright to actually drop an S-bomb. Clearly CF, and his master Mike Glyer, are persons of unsurpassed despicableness.

I’m thinking that if JCW becomes so enraged he actually uses the F-word in public, it will be a sure sign the end times are upon us.

😛

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9 days 8 hours ago
//which was merely a word-salad, a mass of evasions, elliptical phrases meaning nothing, and vapid hokum// At the time of the discussion John concluded: http://web.archive.org/web/20150803014252/http://www.scifiwright.com:80/2015/07/a-question-about-the-global-warming-hoax/ “Comment by John C Wright: Saturday, August 1st 2015 at 4:55 am | Here the fault is mine. I asked you to name one false scare, and you did. I had thought I asked you to name one that had been called false or retracted by the left, but, as I worded the sentence, that is not in fact what I asked. I retract my comment and apologise. You are invited back.” But let me… Read more »
The Phantom
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9 days 7 hours ago

I think mostly you are marking targets for James T. Hodgkinson. That may not be your conscious goal of the moment, but your comments regarding Richard Spencer say much about your character.

John C. Wright
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9 days 6 hours ago

This is why Vox Day recommends strongly against apologizing to a gamma male, even when one is in the wrong, or treating the gamma male with any sort of gentlemanly courtesy or dignity: they will use it as a weapon against you.

A strong man in a fight tries to make himself stronger. A weak man tries to make you weaker. Here we see a weak man trying to justify his delusion of having won an argument by an attempt to impeach the credibility of an honest man.

Pathetic.

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9 days 6 hours ago

“Here we see a weak man trying to justify his delusion of having won an argument by an attempt to impeach the credibility of an honest man.”

Pathetic? Perhaps.
Truth? Yes.

You raised the issue here John, not I. You made a challenge and I met your challenge and then later you said I did not do so. Whether I am weak or strong, left or right, pious or impious, virtuous or vile, it makes no difference to the truth of the events.

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Robin Munn
8 days 22 hours ago
And yet, Camestros, you remain incapable of seeing how your own words show your fundamental dishonesty, even when you sometimes speak a portion of the truth. You see, I actually followed your link and read the entire comment thread. John Wright asked a question that was narrower than he intended to ask, you successfully answered it, and he acknowledged that fact, as any honest man would do. Yet although you had not at all won the argument, only a single point (which wasn’t even the point that Mr. Wright was trying to make), you proceeded to act as if you… Read more »
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8 days 20 hours ago
//Yet although you had not at all won the argument, only a single point (which wasn’t even the point that Mr. Wright was trying to make), you proceeded to act as if you had won the argument.// Not at all. John offered me a specific challenge (he literally double-dog dared me) which I answered. He then claimed I hadn’t answered his challenge and then (to his credit) apologised. John’s challenge was narrower than his broader challenge but in that same thread, I also did provide additional elements to his challenge. I did not claim that I had “won the argument”… Read more »
Brian Niemeier
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9 days 6 hours ago

True. Reality contradicts his secret special snowflakiness at every turn, but instead of taking the long, hard road of self-examination he declares reality wrong.

saintonge235
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saintonge235
9 days 7 hours ago

Vox nailed him perfectly: a gamma who believes he’s won no matter what happens.

Boring.

Ryan
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Ryan
9 days 7 hours ago

That actually sounds like a good description of Vox.

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Robin Munn
8 days 22 hours ago
John, The man named after two incorrect forms of logical deduction had the effrontery to pop up on my blog, swaggering and boasting that he had bested me in a debate about various Green eco-frauds and scares. I went looking through your recent posts, and could not find where this happened. I would have expected to see it in the comments of http://www.scifiwright.com/2017/06/age-of-hoaxes/, but Camestros does not appear to have left any comments there. Is that because you blocked him, and therefore the comments that he left (which you saw in the Disqus moderation tool) are not visible to me?… Read more »
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8 days 20 hours ago
Max Florschutz
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10 days 23 hours ago

Ugh, Glyer. I started reporting his link-backs as spam when he hit my three-strike rule for false quoting. He would post an “excerpt” from my site, but with sentences, paragraphs, and the like selectively cut out to make me say or arrive at a VERY different point or conclusion.

After three strikes, I cut the link-backs and reported his site as spam. Seeing that I wouldn’t play anymore, he stopped linking in all but the rarest cases, but nothing doing. He burned that bridge.

Me? I keep writing. My success pains him and all his followers.

Zaklog the Great
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10 days 21 hours ago

They never, ever address your ideas. They always go after your emotions and your person. “You sound angry.” “That guy you cited is a misogynist. Why do you listen to him?”

I enjoy a good argument. It’s annoying because I hardly ever get to find one these days because of this crap.

Anon1234
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Anon1234
9 days 4 hours ago

That Glyer guy sounds angry.

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Joel Salomon
10 days 21 hours ago

There’s another SF/F writer who makes a big deal about his Alexa ranking, and one whom Mike Glyer has also selectively linked to and quoted. Could it be he’s managed to confuse the two of you in his head (or is he just attempting to conflate the two of you to his readers)?

Rich Ware
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Rich Ware
10 days 20 hours ago

Hahaha. That double entendre, though: “He’s big in China. . .” LMAO!

Harvey Hams
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Harvey Hams
10 days 19 hours ago

I’ve never heard of this ass clown or his page. Sorry I will not waste my free time, better spent on WOT Blitz, looking.

Pogonip
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Pogonip
10 days 15 hours ago

Yes, but, Larry, what do you REALLY think of all this?

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
10 days 15 hours ago

I remember a while back when Glyer had linked to one of my guest posts at Sarah’s blog. In the comments, Glyer said about me something along the lines of: “Well, hopefully he won’t be around much longer.”

That was a year and a half ago. I’m still here. 🙂

Ryan
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Ryan
10 days 14 hours ago

I couldn’t find him ever saying that. He did link to a guest post of yours at Hoyts and comment “Feel free to ignore the slur on this blog in the first paragraph; I did. (Almost.)” That was about a year and a half ago.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
10 days 9 hours ago

I do remember that one. This was for another post, but it was deep in the comments and I’m not slogging through that today.

Brent Newman
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Brent Newman
10 days 14 hours ago

If 92% of his web traffic are Chinese bots, and only 8% are authentic traffic… It stands to reason that a significant portion of his authentic traffic is nothing more than the Monster Hunter Nation keeping an eye on him… and his two loyal followers Darryl and Darryl

Member
10 days 14 hours ago

I think it says something about the Hugo that I’ve never, ever heard of Glyer, despite having been an avid sci-fi reader for decades and active on the internet for the last 20 years, and somehow he has 40+ nominations. I count myself fortunate to have never encountered him or his site.

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Draven
9 days 18 hours ago

because he could get all his friends in the L.A. Trufan scene to nominate his fanzine.

Five of Clubs
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Five of Clubs
10 days 13 hours ago
OFF TOPIC ALERT: Larry, I need to thank you. I recently used your model of fisking to great effect and I appreciate the template! I am a moderator on a game server and we had to ban a long time member due to sustained idiocy. He chose to rant about it on a public forum, and there was just too much drivel there for a good response. By dissecting his own words via mulit-quote, I was able to show exactly our reasoning for the decision plus give a decent argument that he was insane. Your current (excellent) rant reminded me… Read more »
BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
10 days 13 hours ago

I’m pretty sure it is an old and well established format, often known as MSTing, after Mystery Science Theater.

Five of Clubs
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Five of Clubs
10 days 13 hours ago

Thanks for the info. I hated that show and never watched it, but it’s effective.

Guest
10 days 8 hours ago

Also sometimes known as a ‘line-item fisking’, a term I rather like.

C. S. P. Schofield
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C. S. P. Schofield
10 days 12 hours ago

From the way you describe Glyer, I’m astonished that he hasn’t been offered a plum position at the New York Times. He should fit right in; mendacious, easily confused, ostentatiously stupid, pointlessly offensive, and intellectually lazy. Hell, they should make him an editor!

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10 days 8 hours ago

Maybe he’s holding out for an offer from the Guardian. I hear they have a vacancy.

Joe Buckley
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Joe Buckley
10 days 11 hours ago

You’ll note, of course, that the screenshots of the Alexa pages shown on his own page conveniently crop out the details of his international fanbase.

saintonge235
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saintonge235
9 days 7 hours ago

This just gets funnier and funnier.

Brian McGoldrick
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Brian McGoldrick
10 days 11 hours ago

Larry, goole the “Internet Water Army”. It’s a for hire Chines web comment service.

Joe Vasicek
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10 days 10 hours ago

Mike recently linked to one of my blog posts over something non-Puppy related. I think I got less than ten unique visitors from it.

Once you’re in the business of witch hunts, it’s very difficult to pivot to anything else. But… China? That shocks me. Perhaps it shouldn’t. Oh well.

At this point, cleaning out my computer keyboard would be a much better use of my time than interacting with the Trufans. Probably more enjoyable too.

Thanks for the laugh, Larry.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
10 days 9 hours ago

He won’t host a link to a post that mentions him?

That might be a first.

Jim McCain
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Jim McCain
10 days 9 hours ago

I wonder how he would be face to face?

The Phantom
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10 days 4 hours ago

Large. Really, really large.

Shadowdancer
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9 days 22 hours ago

How fortunate. We’ll be able to see him coming and prepare ourselves for the frantic and frenzied flapping of his frontal orifice.

Wes S.
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Wes S.
9 days 10 hours ago

Shadowdancer, there isn’t a ball bag big enough for that orifice . . .

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Orvan Taurus
9 days 3 hours ago

Cyanoacrylate lollipops?

The Phantom
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9 days 7 hours ago

“And on that day, many rolls of duct tape gave their all.”

We can probably see him on Google Maps. Look for a huge white object in Southern California.

Achillea
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10 days 8 hours ago

Serendipitously enough, Amazon had just the other day suggested Jon del Arroz’ For Steam and Country as something I might like. I’d decided to pass, since I tend to avoid books with female protagonists (especially of the young and spunky persuasion), but if that asshat Glyer doesn’t like him, I figure he’s worth a look. Pre-order done, and I look forward to seeing it on my Kindle tomorrow.

Doctor Locketopus
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Doctor Locketopus
10 days 8 hours ago

Larry: “My guess is he really hates me because unlike most authors I don’t dance around with fake politeness.”

It might also have something to do with him being a retired IRS agent, the Natural Enemy of a private sector accountant like yourself.

Plus he’s probably living in a decrepit Los Angeles bungalow on whatever pittance gets doled out to retired agents, while you’re buying a friggin’ mountain.</