Monster Hunter Nation

I’m Glad That’s Over With!

I wrote the following post on Facebook yesterday morning:

Time to vote for Brain Cancer vs. Colon Cancer. I can vote for Ice Cream, but that’s just a protest vote, because we’re getting cancer either way.

Some of you may think that Colon Cancer is the lesser of two cancers. I can respect that choice. Because Brain Cancer really sucks.

But if you think either of these is actually going to be good, you’re smoking crack. I truly don’t get the cheer leaders, who are like Yay Colon Cancer! Colon Cancer is going to be AWESOME!

In the primary we could have voted for Ham Sandwich or Tolerable Rash even, but oh no, we said we wanted Cancer like the other guys. Sure, the tumor kept proclaiming it was actually All You Can Eat Shrimp, but it was pretty obviously a tumor on a colon.

In the unlikely event Colon Cancer wins (Colon Cancer isn’t polling well in most swing states) then I will cross my fingers and hope that it turns out to be a mild case of Colon Cancer.

 

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And then after voting, I played videogames and didn’t look at election returns until around midnight.

Best moment of the night, my wife was lying in bed next to me, also reading her phone, and says “Hillary came in third in Utah.” And then we both started giggling for like three minutes straight.

As somebody who didn’t really have a horse in this race, who had to come to terms with not getting what I wanted months ago, I’ve got some comments for the rest of you. (for the record my primary vote was for Ham Sandwich, only All-You-Can-Eat-Shrimp/Colon Cancer supporters declared that was actually Canadian Bacon because they didn’t understand how the Naturalization Acts work, and his dad killed JFK)

I’m not happy Trump won, but I’m ecstatic that Hillary lost.

From what I heard this morning (haven’t looked to confirm yet, and woke up late) Trump got fewer votes than Romney, but Hillary got WAY less votes than Obama. So people decided they wanted colon cancer instead of brain cancer, but I don’t think very many of us were super enthusiastic about either. They just wanted the other crappy one to lose.

This election turned into “My authoritarian New Yorker is better than yours!” And shockingly enough, a authoritarian New Yorker won. Yay! Go cancer!
I did not see a Trump victory coming (apparently, neither did any of the professional pollsters). It is a testament to the sheer, banal, corrupt, unlikable nature of Hillary that she couldn’t beat the guy they picked as the most beatable. Maybe the painfully biased media has finally worn out its welcome, and people distrust their narratives too much for them to carry the day. You can only call cry wolf so many times before the villagers quit listening. I mean, come on, they portrayed mushy squishy Romney as the second coming of Satan-Hitler. When everybody who disagrees with liberals is a racist hatemonger of evil, people start to tune them out. So when somebody actually says something outlandish, and it gets reported, everybody is tuning them out or assuming it is nothing blown out of proportion, like usual.

Way to go media. You’re bigger losers than Hillary.

So we get Trump… Now I can only hope that I’m completely wrong about Trump’s character, and that he won’t govern like a thin skinned authoritarian. That would be nice, but I won’t hold my breath.

In fact, I would love to be wrong. I pray to be wrong.

I would like to get a good replacement for Scalia and repeal Obamacare (I’m sure everybody seeing their super jacked up health insurance bills at the end of the year didn’t help Hillary much either). But again, I’m not getting my hopes up. How those two things shake out should tell us a lot about how the next few years are going to go.

The president can’t know everything. Trump will either surround himself with good professionals who know their shit and he’ll listen, or he’ll appoint sycophants and yes men.

Either way, I don’t know how it’s going to go, so I’m going to keep stockpiling canned food and ammunition. Not panicking, mind you, that’s just what I’d be doing anyway.

I’m also seeing a lot of liberals this morning talking about how now is the time for reconciliation and “reaching across the aisle”. Ha! Remember when Obama got in, and “Elections have consequences”, and he had a “mandate” and you shoved Obamacare down America’s throats even though a lot of us didn’t want it? Yeah… It is probably going to be like that.

(and we were right. Obamacare sucks. It mathematically sucks. You idiots set Trump up to look like a rock star right out the gate, because simply getting rid of that thing will cause an economic boom)

All that stuff I’ve heard over the last few years about the OBSRUCTIONIST republicans blocking your sainted president from doing what he wanted? No shit. That’s how our government works. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, and there is a president who wants to do stuff you don’t like, you’re going to expect the people you voted for to try and stop him. And then Trump will probably still cram through some Executive Orders you don’t like. Yep. We know exactly how that feels.

On that note, this is why if the idea of an executive power in the hands of That Other Asshole terrifies you, maybe then the executive shouldn’t have that power at all. Because eventually The Other Asshole Team is going to win, and do to you, what you did to them.

So liberals, remember laughing off and excusing things like Fast & Furious or the IRS targeting political opponents? Oh, silly republicans, the president has a phone and a pen and shut up! Uh huh… That kind of behavior seems terrifying now that somebody like Trump has it, doesn’t it?

Serves you right.

For the liberals flipping out this morning about getting loaded into cattle cars, chill out. There are plenty of legit reasons to dislike and distrust Trump without getting hysterical over memes and conspiracy theories. Yeah, he’ll probably suck and do things you hate. Welcome to what the other half of America has gone through for the last eight years. We lived. So will you. Probably.

On that note, if any of you hysterical melting down types actually believe Trump is Literally Hitler who is going to gas all the Gay Mexican Muslims in concentration camps, your local gun store is thataway. The nice men behind the counter will be happy to teach you about basic gun safety, how self-defense laws work, and then sell you one of those evil black rifles you’re so scared of. And then in the unlikely but catastrophic event the government did ever turn tyrannical and genocidal, you’d be in a position to do something other than cry about it on Facebook… But  I see a mass liberal run on guns to be about as likely as Trump turning out to be Reagan II, but hell, I’ve been wrong a lot this year!

 

 

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Matthew Whaley
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5 months 17 days ago

couldn’t agree more. Man that Ham Sandwich looks tastier and tastier all the time.

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Robin Munn
5 months 17 days ago

Ham Sandwich would never have gotten the Jewish vote, but I think he could have won anyway.

😀

Richard McEnroe
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Richard McEnroe
5 months 16 days ago

The Jews might have enjoyed his rye sense of humor.

Joseph Hertzlinger
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5 months 16 days ago

Ham Sandwich carried Orthodox Jewish neighborhoods in NYC in the primary.

Tolerable Rash carried Donald Trump’s neighbors.

Honorbound
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Honorbound
5 months 17 days ago

They don’t understand the concept of the shoe being on the other foot because they can never imagine themselves not being in power. As far as their power fantasies go, they will rule forever and ever, amen. Anything else is an aberration to these people, so they never consider the idea that their policies and precedents could come back to bite them in the ass.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
5 months 17 days ago

Yeah, I bet they’re not happy about the expansion of executive powers *now*, are they?

C.J. Carella
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5 months 17 days ago

They were warned, over and over that the goose and gander would one day switch places, but they were so certain the US had become a one-party state they didn’t care. I have no sympathy for them. None.

guest
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guest
5 months 16 days ago
These are people for whom the word “precedent” itself has no meaning. “Trump’s locker-room talk about women is Shocking! Horrifying! Crosses a line! Is beyond the pale!” comes out of the mouths of the very same people who have spent the last twenty years shrilly defending Bill Clinton, a man accused of rape by fourteen different women during his term in office–this over and above his romps with teenage interns, or all the time spent in the company of a truly repugnant character named Jeffrey Epstein, about whom any description would sound libelous, except that he’s already been tried and… Read more »
Lawson
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Lawson
5 months 17 days ago

It seems like they honestly thought that their plans were perfect and that eventually everyone would love their horrible ideas. If nothing else trump made people that annoy, severely, me unhappy.

Lawson
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Lawson
5 months 17 days ago

How do I fix typos?

00zau
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00zau
5 months 17 days ago

Part of the problem is that we’ve had Obama for 8 years. College liberals have been “Right” for the entire time they’ve payed attention to politics. They hardly remember a time when Obama wasn’t in power. Modern communications accelerate that feeling; I’m starting to think that president might should go down to a 1 term limit job, instead of 2.

Mickey
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Mickey
5 months 16 days ago

The leftists are already talking about running Michelle Obama for 2020. So BHO would be back in residence @ 1600 PA Ave NW as First Dude. That’s one workaround for the term limits installed after the bad Roosevelt died in harness… And I don’t think there’s any legal way to prevent that eventuality. Better hope that Trump has a *really* successful 1st term…

Feather Blade
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Feather Blade
5 months 16 days ago

I don’t know that it would matter. They’re always horrified at the power of the presidency when a Republican (for given values of…) holds it, but they instantly forget it whenever a Democrat gets in.

Every. Damn. Time.

I tell you what, goldfish have better memory retention and concept association.

The Phantom
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5 months 17 days ago

I’m a little more salubrious about Trump than you, Larry, but I have the advantage of being a Canadian. It’s easier for me. 🙂

I think this election, more than anything in recent memory, had demonstrated the folly of Big Government. If your house payment and kid’s education depend on who wins an election, that’s not a good life to have.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
5 months 17 days ago

I guess we’ll see if anybody learns any lessons from this.

Andrew Jones
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Andrew Jones
5 months 17 days ago

LOL! Good one!

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
5 months 17 days ago

Yeah, who am I kidding?

Andrew Jones
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Andrew Jones
5 months 17 days ago

Yeh, it’s the whole Boromir thing. We can use the power for good!

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
5 months 17 days ago

Yeah. After 8 years of Hope and Change, GOP decided that political cults of personality that promise the moon were a good thing.

Andrew Jones
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Andrew Jones
5 months 17 days ago

True, but I more meant the expansion of executive and administrative power. I see a certain amount of hero worship as a natural part of elections. I’m going to wait and see if the “if you’re not 100% with Trump, you’re the devil” thing continues.

Matthew Martin
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Matthew Martin
5 months 17 days ago

That’s what worries me. I don’t trust Trump, but the fringe of his supporters scares me as much as Hillary did–and her campaign manager practically declared me an Enemy of the Revolution!

I hope that fringe is just a fringe, and doesn’t wind up steering the ship.

But I continue to cite Psalm 146:3. “Put not your trust in princes.”

I feel sorry for A Song of Ice and Fire fans though. If 2004 is any guide, George R.R. Martin (no relation 🙂 ) will NEVER finish.

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
5 months 17 days ago

1. Martin dies before completing the books.
2. Fans buy IP.
3. Fans hire someone competent to redeem the story.

Zsuzsa
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Zsuzsa
5 months 16 days ago

More likely someone will eventually novelize the last few seasons the TV show, perhaps making a few changes to align it with the book verse rather than the show verse, and call that the end of the series.

Member
5 months 17 days ago

As a fan of martins i have a nagging suspicion this would change the tone of the story rather severly.

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masgramondou
5 months 17 days ago

So you’ve given up on Honor Harrington too eh?

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Robin Munn
5 months 17 days ago

Re: Honor Harrington, ONE recap book isn’t enough to make me give up. Weber has earned enough credit with me that I’m willing to buy his next one. (I buy the monthly bundles on a routine basis, so I’d get it anyway). If he writes too MANY recap books, then he might lose me, but he hasn’t lost me quite yet.

mark
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mark
5 months 7 days ago

I’m just darn glad it the kindle version was at a reasonable price (though higher than I usually will pay). If I’d paid full hard-cover price (and I’ve done that for his books) I’d be royally pissed.

Usually a new Honor book means going to work on 2 hours sleep the next day. Took me a week to read that one.

Member
5 months 17 days ago

Yeah, i think anyone who wanted a hero has long since deserted that series.
But God…..now that i think about the possibility i actually REALLY want to read your version of this.

Andrew
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Andrew
5 months 17 days ago

The joke around here is that it’ll be Brandon Sanderson.

craig(2)
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craig(2)
5 months 16 days ago

I still vote Abercrombie.

Shawna
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Shawna
5 months 16 days ago

Pretty sure Sanderson already said he wouldn’t finish GoT even if asked, as it’s not his kind of thing (essentially). Still, it would be funny if it became a trend with him.

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
5 months 16 days ago

Wen Spencer/Tom Kratman collaboration, amirite?

Richard McEnroe
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Richard McEnroe
5 months 16 days ago

Orson Scott Card just to watch the sojis shit themselves.

John Overath
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John Overath
5 months 17 days ago

I’m not sure the world is ready for a Cazador wielding Jon Snow 🙂

Lawson
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Lawson
5 months 17 days ago

Wait, he seriously took a year off because of that? Ya see this is why I never went near game of thrones. His age added to his frequent hiatuses and the reason for them discourage me.

Patrick Chester
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Patrick Chester
5 months 17 days ago

Boromir eventually realized his mistake, even at the last moment.

These progressives will keep believing no matter what.

Andrew
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Andrew
5 months 17 days ago

You make an excellent point.

guest
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guest
5 months 16 days ago

Maybe not all of them. Some of them eventually hear the screams and repent of their folly. But some on the right call such people “neocons,” and there are a number of very obvious reasons this isn’t helpful.

jic
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jic
5 months 17 days ago

South Park defined this election as a giant douche vs. a turd sandwich. And they were right. The thing is, a turd sandwich is going to make you very sick, if not kill you outright. And when you’re faced with a repulsive, disgusting twat, a douche starts looking pretty useful.

Sometimes there are no good guys to win, and you just have to settle for the bad guys losing. The bad guys lost, so I’m happy. For now.

Netpackrat
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Netpackrat
5 months 17 days ago

/thread

Faith
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Faith
5 months 15 days ago
Absolutely true. Sometimes there are no good guys, or even if there are, they may have to do some bad things to stop even worse things from happening. That’s how I felt with this election; I’d do a bad thing (vote for him) to stop a worse thing from happening (her.) I’d love to live in a world where there was always a good option to pick, but in my time I’ve seen too often it’s just a choice between bad and worse, and deciding not to choose is still choosing. I learned my lesson about third-party protest candidates in… Read more »
Professor Headbutt
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5 months 17 days ago

The vulgar psychotic pig thoroughly defeated the corrupt warmongering hyena. So… yay us…

I also voted 3rd party (though probably not the same one you did), and I think Trump will be a really bad President. But I have to admit that some less-than-morally-pure corner of my brain is just loving the leftists’ wailing and gnashing of teeth right now. 😎

Lawson
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Lawson
5 months 17 days ago

I work with people who are pretty liberal… (I am one of three non-progressives/democrats) I am not gonna lie there seems to be a correlation with a coworkers currently level of unhappiness and how much they annoy me. This pleases me, somewhat.

Shawna
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Shawna
5 months 16 days ago

I also work in a pretty liberal environment. When I came into work yesterday, I greeted a guy who’s usually super-cheerful. He was noticeably less so that day.

Lawson
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Lawson
5 months 16 days ago

Know what the worst part is? The people that sincerely, believe he is Hitler 2.0. They truly believe that the muslims, jews, gays, women (that makes no sense), ect. will be sent to concentration camps. I mean if only there was a law that allowed people to use some device that can propel a piece of metal through a would be government agent trying to oppress citizens. Like a gun….. o wait.

Shawna
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Shawna
5 months 16 days ago

You should’ve seen the way some of my coworkers react when they have the “let’s remind everyone that open carry is legal” rally about a block away from our building. It would be hilarious if it weren’t so infuriating.

Lawson
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Lawson
5 months 16 days ago

Know what is sadder? One person I work with voted for Hillary. He owns 4 guns, registered Republican. Well, he claims those things anyway. He says it was because “Trump was just that bad”, but…. well…. He is the type of person that sucks up to superiors and caves to peer pressure. I guess I could just say he is spineless.

Vatertortuga
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5 months 16 days ago

I work in a decidedly conservative field (oil/gas), liberals are near non-existent. One of my co-workers left a voice mail for me to cheer me up since Brain-Cancer lost. I darn near feel out of my chair laughing. Oh the sweet sweet tears of prog anguish.

Blue Yonder
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5 months 17 days ago
As a liberal-lite, I really, really, really hope this is it for Clinton. She couldn’t beat Obama in 2008. She couldn’t beat Trump in 2016. Heck, I’m not even sure she could beat Bernie without the DNC pulling strings. As for Trump, I’m in total agreement with Larry. Maybe he won’t suck. Maybe the country will function better if it’s run like a business, with a cabinet made up of CEOs. But some CEOs end up divorced from the day-to-day reality of running a business, and when we consider Trump’s relationship with reality . . . hoooo boy . .… Read more »
Lucas D.
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5 months 17 days ago

Here’s hoping her next professional challenge will be outrunning the powerful hind legs of Death itself. Love to see how the “experts” will predict that race.

jic
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jic
5 months 17 days ago

“and when we consider Trump’s relationship with reality . . . hoooo boy . . . Rod Serling on LSD on the set of Willy Wonka would have a better grip on what’s happening.”

He seems to have had a better grip on what’s been happening than the establishments of either party, not to mention the press, pundits, and pollsters.

“But maybe I’m wrong and Trump won’t govern like a thin-skinned nitwit.”

Well, we’ve already had almost 8 years of being governed by a thin-skinned nitwit, so at least we’ll be used to it.

Calvin Dodge
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Calvin Dodge
5 months 15 days ago

Trump is detail-oriented and a perfectionist, which I saw in the “Mighty Planes” episode “Trump 757”. I don’t think he’ll slough off his responsibilities, and I don’t think he’ll keep people who do a poor job.

Wyldkat
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Wyldkat
5 months 17 days ago

This “I’m not happy Trump won, but I’m ecstatic that Hillary lost.”

This sums up my feeling exactly. Not my first, third or even fifth choice. Personally I wanted the Apple Pecan Chicken Salad. Yeah, it probably would cause indigestion, but it is different.

Doug Irvin
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Doug Irvin
5 months 17 days ago

It’s funny how a reciprocal response fills people with trepidation when the shoe has switched feet. I look forward to the looks of fear on their pasty little faces.
And even better, the anticipation of judgment that show, as they await their just deserts. And keep waiting. And waiting.
Hey, it’s not that I’m to good to enact revenge; it’s just so much more enjoyable watching them watch me.
Will I snap? Will I strike back? When will I act?
Bwahahaha!

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster
5 months 16 days ago

Um… what are you going to do, blow up a civic arts center or something ?

True, Republicans just gained a huge amount of political power, but that doesn’t make you personally any more powerful than you were before. Nor me, obviously.

Feather Blade
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Feather Blade
5 months 16 days ago

You don’t understand, man! He’s a Republican and probably a white male who uses masculine pronouns!

Obviously he’s nefariously waiting for the right moment to nefariously oppress all the women and gays and blacks and non-conforming categories of oppressed people even more obviously and nefariously than he already does by being cis-het-white- male .

Shadowdancer
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5 months 16 days ago
I dunno, apparently our ability to point and laugh at the unrestricted displays of abject narcisstic stupidity showed by the losing side is UNFORGIVABLE RACISM AND KILLING PEOPLE WITH WORDS and WHY WE NEEDS REVOLUTIONS NAO. Because patriarchy power or something. =3 The only things I could kill with words are the characters I create in my books and so far I haven’t had a single character death… oh wait, no at least one. So … my poison pen is MAKING SO MUCH TRUMP RELATED EVUL. (By the way, if you haven’t seen it yet, there’s some serious unhinged being… Read more »
MojaveWolf
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MojaveWolf
5 months 14 days ago
Sadly you are right. I came home tonight and signed online and one of the first things I saw was a very intelligent person whose opinion I normally respect linking approvingly to a tumblr blog listing “hate crimes perpetrated in the name of Trump.” The very first hate crime? People killing themselves because Trump got elected. Forgetting whether these things actually happened or not, for the sake of argument assuming they did (I have not had time to check, but I don’t think much of this site’s credibility off the bat) THESE ARE NOT HATE CRIMES. These are people who… Read more »
Doug Loss
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Doug Loss
5 months 14 days ago
Mojave, it’s not really mass psychosis, I don’t think. Instead, it appears to be a form of voluntary mass infantilization. These people are refusing to act like mature adults, instead acting like spoiled children and throwing temper tantrums when things don’t go their way. From our point of view, the “safe spaces,” academic speech codes, and politically-correct attempts at shaming anyone who doesn’t parrot the leftist cant are just confirmation that these people aren’t functioning adults, and are possibly even mentally disturbed. The worst part is that they haven’t all done this to themselves, but have had their psyches warped… Read more »
MojaveWolf
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MojaveWolf
5 months 14 days ago
I’m going to break this into two comments. I swear the part where I really disagree (which is only a tiny part of what you said) (the other part is interesting) is going to be polite despite my having to begin it with a scream. Apologies and mea culpas in advance if I misinterpreted you (this being when I took you to mean that older people preying on younger people was a gay thing, which concept is what I’m about to take issue with). I mean that really sincerely. And apologies for starting with the scream: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, apologies, had… Read more »
MojaveWolf
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MojaveWolf
5 months 14 days ago
Okay, now for the rest of what you said, which is all really interesting: I actually agree with you about the temper tantrums and acting like spoiled children. And even voluntary mass infatilization. Especially in the form of abandoning critical thinking for knee jerk reaction on the part of people who actually can be quite good at critical thinking when they want to. I’m still thinking on the not functioning adults and mentally disturbed parts. I’ll go with yes and no both, depending on the person? And I do think the current way of dealing with issues like “no platforming”… Read more »
Doug Loss
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Doug Loss
5 months 13 days ago
Mojave, the term “chickenhawk” didn’t come from the right, it came from the homosexual community itself. And dwelling on whether such behavior exists, doesn’t exist at all, or to what extent it does, is really beside the point I was making. As for how the current vicious suppression of free speech in academia came about, it’s pretty much a natural progression of the progressive “long march through the institutions.” This actually started with the original Progressives, in the early years of the 20th century; John Dewey, Charles Eliot, Abraham Flexner, Stanwood Cobb. Then using the principles of Antonio Gramsci, an… Read more »
MojaveWolf
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MojaveWolf
5 months 12 days ago
Should I take your opening comments as meaning I misunderstood your initial frame of reference, and you were not implying what I thought I you were implying? In which case, yay! & I will apologize for misunderstanding (though surely you can see how easy it would be to take it that way?). While I usually associate the term “chickenhawk” with leaders who operate on the “Forward! he cried from the rear/and the front rank died” principle, and more particularly people who broke their necks avoiding combat and then rush to send others, I did google “chickenhawk” and to my surprise… Read more »
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Robin Munn
5 months 12 days ago
So far I can think of TWO leftists whom I know online who engage in good intellectual inquiry and rational discussion. You, and Bugmaster. I can also think of a few who have appeared rational at first, but who eventually proved to not be arguing in good faith, such as the guy who goes by (let me see if I can get his name spelled right) Camestros Felapton. Mike Glyer (who runs the File 770 site) is also infamous around here for his complete dishonesty, as he’s been known to deliberately twist quotations until they mean the opposite of what… Read more »
MojaveWolf
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MojaveWolf
5 months 12 days ago
Eh, I was getting a little testy up and over-literal in my interpretation up there anyway. Want to get to the gun thread (loved the post, already emailed it to a friend I think will like it) and just stopped by this thread to apologize if I was getting a little too animated and not giving enough benefit of the doubt when interpreting stuff. Blogs like this are sort of a community, and I don’t want to mess it up for people (this is y’all’s place; I share your frustration with certain parts of the left but otherwise we are… Read more »
Shadowdancer
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5 months 14 days ago

You’re not the only one on your side shaking their heads.
https://www.facebook.com/JonathanPieReporter/videos/1044777035645189/

He’s right mad at his side, unhappy about the Trump win, and acknowledging that it was the Left’s fault.

He’s British, but is consistent on his irritation, at least when it comes to the reasons why Trump and Brexit happened – and he sounds pretty torqued off at the Remainers still screaming to stay part of the EU. “Brexit means Brexit. Why? Because Democracy means Democracy.”

It’s worth watching his two videos. I’ll link the other one after this.

MojaveWolf
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MojaveWolf
5 months 12 days ago

My computer apparently shares my allergy to Facebook, but this from Jonathan Pie seems pretty similar to what you were describing and is great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

Very much appreciate the recommendation. =)

Shadowdancer
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5 months 14 days ago

Second video. It’s rather sobering.

https://www.facebook.com/JonathanPieReporter/videos/1030634477059445/

And at the same time, I have to say, I laughed – sympathetically – when he says at the end “Right, pub.”

MojaveWolf
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MojaveWolf
5 months 14 days ago
I am not somewhere I can play videos right now but I promise by Monday I will look at these. Re: Brexit–ita that it and Trump support are both a massive “F– U!” to the ruling class–I heard most Trump supporters don’t actually like him or think he’ll do a good job but just want to sweep out the people who’ve been running things? I’ve read a lot of interesting discussion on Brexit, mostly at Naked Capitalism. I still don’t know whether it was the right decision or not. Putting it all down to xenophobia is just wrong, though.
Matt B
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Matt B
5 months 17 days ago

“I’m not happy Trump won, but I’m ecstatic that Hillary lost.”

This fits my opinion perfectly.

Ray
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Ray
5 months 17 days ago

Adequate summation, Larry. Stolen with linkback. I wanted a Ham Sandwich too. But I guess some people don’t like ham with mustard.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
5 months 17 days ago

Wish I could be happier about the defeat of the Clintons, but right now I feel a bit like the people of Tokyo after Godzilla has defeated Ghidora. The monster’s gone, but the city is still a wreck.

TheWriterInBlack
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5 months 17 days ago
Lawson
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Lawson
5 months 17 days ago

Wow! Hilary got third place? I am not gonna lie. I expected 4th..

Will
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Will
5 months 17 days ago

Are you sure Hillary came in third? The Utah.gov election results website says she’s second… maybe final counts went her way? http://electionresults.utah.gov/elections/federal

William Lehman
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William Lehman
5 months 17 days ago

QUITE!

Lawson
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Lawson
5 months 17 days ago

Serious question though. Trump won. Polls not only said said he wouldn’t, but unanimously said he wouldn’t and by a decent margin. Similar scenario with Brexit. So, how valid are polls right now? I do have a more specific question, should we question the approval rating of a certain current president?

The Phantom
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5 months 17 days ago

One of the things to take home from this election is that all polls were rigged, out the wazoo. Barry’s approval rating is clearly nonsense, if it is over 40%, given yesterday’s outcome.

Wikileaks helpfully provided PROOF of the rigging, and discussions of how they do it.

Basically, if it is in a newspaper or on TV, its a lie.

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
5 months 17 days ago

Issue is that it seems internal polls were also wrong. This event is probably strong evidence of something further wrong with the standard models than just ‘media lies’.

The Phantom
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5 months 17 days ago

Telephone surveys, basically. Caller ID = a self-selected group answers the calls. All others skip it. Therefore the poll is biased.

That’s an -honest- poll. Media polls are -deliberately- biased, as well as accidentally.

One Brian to many
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One Brian to many
5 months 16 days ago

I listen to Brietbart news on my way home in the morning. Every day for the last moth Pat Caddell, Jimmy Carters chief pollster, has been on lambasting the polls. He spends most of his time going through the fine print of what where the questions who was asked and where it was listed how the questions were asked. Lets just leave it at, he was not impressed by there method.

Patrick Chester
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Patrick Chester
5 months 16 days ago

Or they got in the habit of lying to themselves even in internal polls.

Old Griz
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Old Griz
5 months 17 days ago

I think the biggest problem the pollsters had was determining likely voters. We had dedicated voters sitting this one out and others voting who hadn’t voted in years. I realist anecdotes aren’t data but I personally know both types.

Alpheus
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Alpheus
5 months 14 days ago
It was my understanding that when Jesse Ventura was running for Governor, the polls were massively wrong about him, too. This was largely because, as a celebrity, he was attracting people that normally didn’t vote, so the usual tricks used to filter out unlikely voters from regular voters backfired in the polls. (These tricks are necessary because if you ask a random person “Are you likely to vote?” the answer is the socially acceptable “Of course I am! What kind of cretin do you take me to be?” but voters are more likely to answer questions like “Did you vote… Read more »
jdgalt
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jdgalt
5 months 16 days ago

Taking a poll that accurately predicts an election is incredibly difficult to do right. I see no reason to call anyone liars because they didn’t manage to do it.

Feather Blade
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Feather Blade
5 months 16 days ago

If you ever have to explain American news to a foreigner, just tell them “If you see it on TV, it was made to entertain or to spread propaganda, or both. It has no bearing on the reality of life and politics in the US.”

00zau
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00zau
5 months 17 days ago

I suspect that Trump supporters were a lot less likely to talk to the media than Clinton supporters. Republicans in general and Trump supporters especially are sick of the biased media’s bullshit, and are tired of being ridiculed. Similar to the “I lost all my guns in a tragic canoe accident” response, I think the right stopped responding to polls.

tuco
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tuco
5 months 17 days ago

How many of you who still have a land line phone and get calls from people “taking a brief survey” actually answer their questions? I hang up on them. I don’t have time for that shit. I have both a business and a household to run.

And online polls? Those are voluntary and must be either stumbled upon or sought out by the respondents. They only show the intentions/opinions of people who are willing to put forth the effort to take part.

Torin3
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Torin3
5 months 16 days ago

Good Lord, I live in PA and we were averaging about 1-2 surveys a night!

Ring – pick up phone – “Hello?” – “This is a brief surv…” “*BLEEP* of and take me off your list!!” SLAM

Lawson
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Lawson
5 months 17 days ago

I can see that. I always decline when anyone from a media agency wants to ask me questions. Combination of I don’t trust them and I have better things to do.

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
5 months 17 days ago

I had a bunch of calls, and spoke with two of them.

Semiba
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Semiba
5 months 17 days ago

Some indirect answers to your questions:

The liberal left absolutely adores the tactic of shaming those who disagree with them. If you are not with them, you are agai—Satan. You are Satan. As such, there are a lot of people out there who resent how things are going, disagree with it, but don’t voice their concerns because they dislike being referred to as Satan.

Oppose/dislike our current president? Racist Satan!

Given the innate dislike most folks have to be referred to as Satan (or some variation thereof), I’m not overly surprised some voters did not fully express their opinions.

Mickey
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Mickey
5 months 16 days ago

It’s not shaming, it’s demonizing. And yes, that is exactly their tactic. They’re as unreasonable as muslims are when discussing their mysogynistic pederast of a prophet. It’s what makes them so infuriating.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG
5 months 17 days ago

Fake armies and dummy formations are a classical way of deceiving one’s enemies.
BUT- one must not then count these as an honest part of one’s forces.
The media has used the polls for years to create a bandwagon effect, or to just discourage opponents from voting. This year, it seems they actually believed their own propaganda.

HarleyPig
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HarleyPig
5 months 17 days ago

It’s possible to live with a colostomy bag. You can even have some fun with it. Brain cancer just makes you crazy and, if you live, takes away your mind.

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster
5 months 17 days ago

I wanted both of those cancers to lose, and one of them did lose, so… yey ?

One good thing that might come out of this election is — hopefully — a renewed push for the abolition of the Electoral College, in favor of direct elections. The dissolution of the two-party system would be even better, but there’s no amount of hope that could make that come true…

The Phantom
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5 months 17 days ago

In Canada we have pinkos (the Conservatives), flaming red (the Liberals) and psychotic glow in the dark commies (the NDP). A three party system is no help.

Professor Headbutt
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5 months 17 days ago

Don’t forget the BQ and Greens. Always fun.

jic
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jic
5 months 17 days ago

I live in England, and the Conservative Party here makes your Conservatives look like Barry Goldwater. Their official name is the Conservative and Unionist Party, and I wish they would drop the “Conservative” part and just call themselves the Unionist Party. At least they really are unionists, and the name change would probably actually help them in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Dan Lane
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Dan Lane
5 months 17 days ago

Jic, you poor bastard. I hear there might be some nice jobs in the states, once we get the regulatory state’s boot off our neck. Just a thought…

Though I thoroughly understand if you’ve got to fight the battles in front of you. Good luck. Brexit was a start. Don’t let it be an ending, too.

Shadowdancer
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5 months 17 days ago

In response to someone asking for a confirm about the existence of the Sex Party in Australia, I looked. I also discovered the existence of an Antipaedophile party and “Love Australia or Leave” party.

http://www.aec.gov.au/Parties_and_Representatives/party_registration/Registered_parties/index.htm

Apparently the bullet train is getting built and the test lines will be between Brisbane and Sydney and Perth and Darwin. (Supposedly.)

I’m rather impressed with the Perth to Darwin one, if true. Thats gonna be a looooooong rail.

Shawna
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Shawna
5 months 16 days ago

If any country could use a quick means of transport between populated across wide swath’s of barren hellscape, seems like Australia’s it. (No offense to Australians. I’m a pale Celtic redhead. Living in a place with that much sun and a hole in the ozone layer would probably kill me, if the terrifying animals didn’t do it first.)

Shadowdancer
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5 months 16 days ago

I get heatstroke when the weather goes up to 30 degrees centigrade here. My problem is the dry heat coupled with a cool breeze: I soak up the heat, and the breeze keeps me from sweating. Have to be careful since I’m used to humid hot places.

Shawna
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Shawna
5 months 15 days ago

“I get heatstroke when the weather goes up to 30 degrees centigrade here.”

Yeah, that’s the thing. I don’t like too much cold either, but when it gets too hot, I’ve been known to literally pass out. I probably would have gotten a serious head injury in one such instance if my brother hadn’t caught me. That was in California. My body simply was not designed for a lot of sun/heat.

gmmay
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gmmay
5 months 16 days ago

My god, I’ve flown that route in a C-130 and it seemed interminable. I mean, yeah, C-130, but still, it was a straight shot. The view of that landscape from a train won’t be much better.

Shadowdancer
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5 months 16 days ago
When I asked about the bullet train to a friend who is a bit more aware of it, he said that the line between Perth and Darwin was one of the ‘tests.’ I’m not sure how that’s supposed to be a test of anything. I know there are freight train lines that cut through the outback, and I have to wonder about the bullet train idea – I hear of trains getting derailed if they hit large animals (which, considering the red kangaroos, the wombats and the wild camels, cows, horses, etc is a valid concern) – so I wonder… Read more »
Feather Blade
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Feather Blade
5 months 16 days ago

Install cow-catchers on the fronts of the train.

Yes, they look better on steam engines than on diesels, but better to have an… unstylish… train….

…Imma stop there ^_^

Shadowdancer
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5 months 15 days ago

It’s Australia. If it’s gonna be there, expect something somewhat over the top.

At least, that’s what I’d expect. (“Hold my beer, watch this” folks !)

Member
5 months 15 days ago

Could put a shield car or three far ahead of the main train. A form of ablative armoring. As the shield cars hit things, they absorb the impact by crushing and falling off to the side of the track.

Zsuzsa
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Zsuzsa
5 months 16 days ago

While looking through the giant list of candidates for president on my ballot, I noticed a “Nutrition Party” in the US.

Feather Blade
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Feather Blade
5 months 16 days ago

Was their slogan “Soylent Green is People”?

Shadowdancer
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5 months 15 days ago

Oh good, it wasn’t just me who thought that, but I got distracted earlier.

A.Nagy
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A.Nagy
5 months 17 days ago

Everytime I think about this being a good idea I just look at Europe and go ohh yeah well…guess that didn’t work either.

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Inuk
5 months 17 days ago

There is no perfect solution and people who tell you otherwise are either morons or trying to sell something, possibly both. And i for one prefere a system where a smaller but sizeable subset can make use their voices to create an independant bargainig Chip they can use to influence Politics.
It makes the threshold for any party to have an influence on the political process just this much smaller, for better or worse.

But then, in full disclosure, greetings from germany 😉

Professor Headbutt
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5 months 17 days ago

I’d be willing to risk it. How much worse could it be than the party machines that gave us cancer vs cancer?

TheWriterInBlack
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5 months 17 days ago

Look at Europe and ask that again.

Member
5 months 17 days ago

We are way way more statist than you are and this would be reflected in any system that atleast somewhat reflects the will of the people. That does not make the system as a way to organise a democracy bad per se.

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster
5 months 17 days ago

Yeah, I’m not saying it’d be all buttercups and rainbows, just marginally better than what we’ve got now…

Feather Blade
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Feather Blade
5 months 16 days ago

The nice thing about the world as it is, is that if you don’t like the political system of the country you’re in, you can move to one that suits you better.

Especially if you have money and a useful skill.

TheWriterInBlack
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5 months 15 days ago

if you don’t like the political system of the country you’re in, you can move to one that suits you better.

Unfortunately, that’s not always true.

Professor Headbutt
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5 months 17 days ago

I’m okay with the EC as a balance between popular vote and the risk that less populous regions would get completely overwhelmed. If we ran the country entirely from LA and NYC, all of Utah would be hosed.

Shadowdancer
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5 months 17 days ago

That was something that actually made our heads shake while hubby and I were watching the polls being counted. Hillary got 200+ just from getting the entirety of the West Coast blue and some spots blue elsewhere. To win, Trump had to get the majority of the rest of the United States. Kinda scary to watch.

Then we watched Trump surge ahead and breathed a sigh of relief, because no Hillary.

Faith
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Faith
5 months 15 days ago
I read a good analogy to the EC just today. The popular vote would be as if the World Series were to be won by the team that scored the most runs. So if the AL team won the first game 10 to 1 and the NL team won the next four games 1 to 0, the the AL team would have won because they had 10 runs and the NL only had 5. So with the electoral college as it is now, winning the populous states is a big advantage but not enough in itself; you also have to… Read more »
BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
5 months 17 days ago

Nice try. All votes in one pot means decision is by heavily corrupt heavily populated areas. Segmentation preserves the influence of areas whose population dislikes corruption enough to keep their politics cleaner.

As for the other, see Denbeste’s essay on party systems as signal processing, and the apparent compatibility issues between multiparty and freedom of speech. Replace the GOP with something that will oppose Democrats, sure.

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
5 months 17 days ago
Correction: This assumes that elections are still handled at local levels. At local levels, direct election would shift the contest into who can manufacture the most votes. At votes cast several times the population, the election will fail to persuade. To mitigate that, there needs to be some mechanism to pick and choose which votes to throw out, to keep the totals low enough to be plausible. If direct, this would have to be centralized to prevent cheating. In which case, the central election committee would be who you pay to win. Segmentation means that at worst you have a… Read more »
Julaire
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Julaire
5 months 17 days ago

http://discovermagazine.com/2004/sep/math-against-tyranny — it’s an old article (originally published in 1996), but I drag it out every time someone wants to get rid of the Electoral College. The Math shows that having districted elections like the electoral college provides actually increases the power of the individual vote. States like California notwithstanding. Amending the EC the way Maine has would be okay with me, but I don’t want to see the institution dissolved.

Shadowdancer
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5 months 17 days ago

Oooh! Helpful article. Thanks hon <3 I really appreciate it.

Cogitans
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Cogitans
5 months 15 days ago

It will never happen for the simple reason that if you took the 2012 election and allocated electoral votes based on district, then gave 2 for each state won and the final electoral vote being D.C….Romney would have beaten Obama. I say that as someone who very much like’s the EC and is ecstatic that Trump won

00zau
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00zau
5 months 17 days ago

The EC is basically impossible to get rid of. It would require a supermajority in congress, and then the states would have to ratify it. And they won’t, because many (most?) states benefit from it. Flyover states with 3 EC votes can actually do something with those 3 votes; a purely popular vote would make them completely irrelevant. Which means no one campaigns there, and no one makes campaign promises to draw them in; they’ll campaign solely for the benefit of Commifornia and NYC.

jdgalt
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jdgalt
5 months 16 days ago

The EC can be and is in the process of being neutered by the NPV bill.

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Robin_Munn
5 months 16 days ago

Which proves that there is no idea so terrible that you can’t get a large number of fools to back it. Their site talks about how the candidates spend most of their campaign time focusing on just the battleground states, as if they think that would change if they passed their idiocy. No, it would just get worse, as candidates would just campaign in the biggest cities and completely ignore most of the country.

Alpheus
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Alpheus
5 months 14 days ago

There’s a video from Purdue University that explains how even the idea of which States are “Swing States” changes from election to election.

Every election, there’s always a State or two that was a swing state last time, but no longer is, and one or two that used to be solid, but are now waffling.

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss
5 months 15 days ago

NPV is facially unconstitutional. Article I, Section 10, Clause 3:

“No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.”

If Congress hasn’t affirmatively consented, NPV is forbidden.

Chuck
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Chuck
5 months 17 days ago

No, no, no. If you look at the map of red vs blue counties you will see that it isn’t red states vs blue states, but the countryside vs cities. The electoral college gives weight to geography. The last thing I want is to be ruled by the insular inhabitants of Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, etc. Or as I see it, the castles of a degenerate nobility lording over the serfs. The original states felt the same way about NY and PA, which is why we have the Electoral College.

Shawna
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Shawna
5 months 17 days ago
I had a thought today. What if the electoral college was determined by county? Like, give each county one point, and the party with the most points within a state gets all that state’s electoral vote. This would heighten the power of votes in less populated areas, thus incentivising people moving out of the big cities and spreading around the country a little, thus helping to alleviate some of that strain that low-income people in big cities keep complaining about (e.g. cost of housing, crime). Of course, this would never happen because then Republicans would win every election forever, but… Read more »
Doug Loss
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Doug Loss
5 months 17 days ago

Actually, how electors are selected is entirely up to the individual states. You could lobby your state legislature to try this if you like. Myself, I’d like to see the elections be solely for uncommitted electors, with the presidential candidates not even listed. Pick the electors who best represent your views and trust them to vote for the best presidential choice (who wouldn’t even have to be a declared candidate).

Shawna
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Shawna
5 months 16 days ago

But Doug, that would require people to actually research and think about who to vote for rather than relying on blind, ignorant party loyalty. It’d never work.

I actually saw someone online suggest that this could be fixed by all states deciding to give their electoral votes to the candidate who won the most popular votes nationwide. And I thought, yeah… why would any red or swing state do that? It would be as good as throwing away any right to representation they have.

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss
5 months 16 days ago

To boot, that would be unconstitutional unless Congress agreed to it:

Article I, Section 10, Clause 3:

“No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.”

Julaire
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Julaire
5 months 16 days ago
I have no way to get a valid set of numbers for a county-by-county EC distribution, but let’s play with some scenarios anyway. Each state gets electors based on the number of congress seats (house + senate). The way Maine breaks out their electors is that the house seat part of the elector count is divvied up based on the percentages of votes for each candidates, with the extra 2 for the senate seats given to the one who carries the state. For a State like Maine with 4 electoral votes it usually means 3 goes to one candidate, 1… Read more »
Doug Loss
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Doug Loss
5 months 16 days ago

My thinking is, almost everyone considers some national change in how electors are selected. The Constitution leaves that entirely up to the states. Any state could change the way they select electors, anytime they like. It doesn’t have to be the same everywhere.

Julaire
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Julaire
5 months 16 days ago
And it isn’t the same everywhere right now, just almost everywhere. Maine and Nebraska distribute their electors. They’re just such small states that the distribution is only a blip. The big states would make more of a difference, but I can’t see California ever passing a law that would enfranchise the Republicans in their state in that way. California alone carries 10% of the electoral vote in the country (Texas, the next biggest electoral state, has 7%), and I don’t see the Democrats there wanting to dilute that powerhouse of a voting bloc by distributing the EC votes in any… Read more »
Faith
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Faith
5 months 15 days ago

If that were the method used in 2012, Romney would have won. There is a website that shows this. http://www.270towin.com/alternative-electoral-college-allocation-methods/

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster
5 months 16 days ago

From what I’ve seen, this method of allocating votes leads to some truly topologically creative gerrymandering. I don’t think it’s necessarily a good idea; at least, not by itself.

Shawna
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Shawna
5 months 15 days ago

Well, I think as part of it there’d have to be either a moratorium on fiddling any more with county lines, or just saying that it’s always based on the way counties were arranged 50 years ago (50 years before whatever election is happening at that time).

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster
5 months 16 days ago
I understand your desire to maintain some degree of independence from the much more populous cities. Personally, I am not convinced that abolishing the Electoral College would likewise abolish this independence — you’d still retain your 2 Senators and a population-proportional number of Representatives (note that, under the EC system, the number of your electoral votes still depends in part on the population of your state). Furthermore, states have a lot of local autonomy in the US, regardless of who the President is. We could discuss this in more detail if you wish, but first let me respond to a… Read more »
Jon
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Jon
5 months 17 days ago

The Electoral College is probably the last great bastion that is hanging on by its fingernails keeping this country a republic.

Prager U tells it better then I can:

https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/do-you-understand-electoral-college

Robert
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Robert
5 months 17 days ago

I hadn’t considered before how much more difficult the EC makes voter fraud. That was a pretty good point.

Old Griz
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Old Griz
5 months 17 days ago

I disagree. Not being a big city libtard, I gratified that they congregate in a few states. The Hildebeast won huge in LA, NY, Boston, Philly, DC and Chicago. Narrow wins in flyover country Trumped them.

David Lang
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David Lang
5 months 17 days ago
Yes the EC was created to deal with communications realities of the time. But part of the EC is to protect the minority from a tyrany of the majority, preventing the big states from running roughshod over the small states. That is still important. IMHO, the big problem with the EC currently is that 48 states have a ‘winner-take-all’ approach to allocating the votes. Two states gave EC votes to both Trump and Clinton yesterday, if this happened in all states, things would be very different. However, I don’t expect Democrats to go along with this as currently the urban… Read more »
Doug Loss
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Doug Loss
5 months 17 days ago

Actually, the EC was created because the framers weren’t at all fans of direct democracy. States weren’t even required to hold popular votes for electors; state legislatures can choose electors in any way they see fit, including by direct appointment. It wasn’t until 1868 that all states held presidential elections. And in fact, candidates didn’t actually campaign for the presidency till about 1840. Before that it was considered gauche to do so.

jdgalt
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jdgalt
5 months 16 days ago

The main thing (originally) protecting the small states from over-centralization of power, other than the Constitution itself, was states’ appointment of Senators. Repeal of the 17th Amendment would do wonders to bring back federalism.

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss
5 months 17 days ago

Absolutely not. The Electoral College is saving grace for this country. If we had popular presidential elections, we’d be ruled by the coasts. No thanks.

Robert
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Robert
5 months 17 days ago

Right now, I think the second fastest way to ensure the dissolution of the United States and/or a second Civil War would be to get rid of the EC (the first fastest way would be banning/actively confiscating guns). “Flyover” states already feel disenfranchised; if you take away the franchise they have left and leave them to be dominated by the coastal urban conclaves, you can damn near guarantee they’re going to start looking for the exit.

Member
5 months 16 days ago

What about having more or all states assign votes Proportionally to the percentage of votes (rounded up for the victor obviously). That would take the focus off off swingstates and provide an incentive to vote and participate for everyone.
I might be an outsider but a system in which moving to california as a conservative or to Texas as a liberal from a swingstate suddenly means your opinion of who should be president effectivly stops to matter seems……questionable to me
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Cogitans
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Cogitans
5 months 15 days ago

The issue there is that it just shifts it from urban states vs rural states to urban areas versus rural areas. This would have the same issues for rural areas that the popular vote would have, however, given how Trump won the EC he might have won anyways with this method.

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Robin Munn
5 months 17 days ago
Just so you know, I downvoted your comment not because I think you’re being unreasonable, but simply because I disagree (STRONGLY) with you. Unlike many liberals who come to this site just to throw mud at the “evil” conservatives who disagree with them, you have always behaved with respect and good will. Thank you. Please don’t take the massive downvoting of this comment as a “go away”, but rather as an indication that the vast majority of commenters here disagree with you on this point. Abolishing the EC would be a mistake of EPIC proportions. Others have explained why, so… Read more »
BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
5 months 17 days ago

What Robin said, except that I didn’t downvote Bugmaster.

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster
5 months 16 days ago

Thanks for the compliment; actually, I usually don’t even look at the downvotes. I figure that our host will ban me if/when he finds it appropriate, but until then, I’ll just express myself the best way I can. That said, I personally have a policy to only downvote those comments that are downright abusive; I think there’s value in reasoned discussion, even if (or, possibly, especially if) when you vehemently disagree with the other side. That’s just my own personal policy though, I’m not saying that you’re an evil monster for not following it 🙂

Confutus
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5 months 16 days ago
Back in 1787, the Constitutional Convention nearly broke up over the issue of equal representation of states versus equal representation of population. There was a very real fear that the interests of the smaller states would be overwhelmed by the big states and their big cities. The compromise was to do things one way in one House of Congress, and the other in the other. The electoral college is biased towards the smaller states with a similar effect. It would take a Constitutional Amendment (with a 3/4 majority of states) to abolish the Electoral college. Even now, getting that last… Read more »
CR Williams
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5 months 16 days ago

Direct elections? Clinton won the popular vote. You want that?

Make the Electoral College vote proportional in all states, but don’t blow it up. If you do that, we lose even the semblance of a Republic we have.

Bugmaster
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Bugmaster
5 months 16 days ago
I think it would be rather short-sided to base our political system on which candidate I personally want to win. In our current case, I wanted them both to lose, so it wouldn’t even help. That said, even if the EC was still abolished tomorrow, you’d still have state’s rights, 2 Senators per state regardless of population, and lots of limitations on the President’s power. You might argue that abolishing the EC will set us on the path toward turning the President into a God-Emperor, but that’s different from saying that EC is the one singular thing that stands between… Read more »
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Robin_Munn
5 months 16 days ago

… you’d still have state’s rights …

I’d argue that we effectively don’t have them now. How many times has the Tenth Amendment been successfully cited in overturning a federal law that trampled on states’ rights to pass their own laws? Not often.

Arksine
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Arksine
5 months 15 days ago

The limitations on the President’s power are checked by the Supreme Court. Considering who appoints Supreme Court justices, you could see how eliminating the EC and essentially allowing the most densely populated areas of the country to determine the President would lead to major abuses of power over time.

If you elimate the EC, you have to restrict voting to land owners and/or tax payers.

jdgalt
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jdgalt
5 months 16 days ago
If you really want to get rid of the two party system, consider changing us to a parliamentary system. This also avoids gridlock, and (if I may use Canada as an example) seems to make it somewhat more likely that if we have to have a big welfare state, its supporters will at least be able to raise taxes enough to actually pay for it without deficit spending — a problem our system seems incapable of solving as it is. Of course that is not the only answer, and I don’t think it’s the best. But it’s one that has… Read more »
snelson134
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snelson134
5 months 14 days ago

You had better thank whatever deity you favor for the electoral college. It is the only thing that keeps the ACELA corridor, Chicago, and California from running the country into the ground. See New York State, where NYC makes the laws and everyone outside is screwed.

Alpheus
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Alpheus
5 months 14 days ago
I fail to see how abolishing the Electoral College would have prevented a catastrophe from winning. It would have merely caused the candidates to change how they would have campaigned….and we’d be faced with arguments over what would amount to a statistical tie (which is what the popular vote turned out to be!). It should also be observed that Hillary didn’t win a simple majority: she won the plurality, and then, only just barely. *And* it should be noted that different States count (or don’t count) provisional ballots in different ways — usually, they are only counted when it’s clear… Read more »
Aaron
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Aaron
5 months 17 days ago

Trump won. Whatever your complaints about the man might be, he isn’t going to actively try to screw you over. Things might even get better for you.

TheWriterInBlack
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5 months 17 days ago

he isn’t going to actively try to screw you over

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Old Griz
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Old Griz
5 months 17 days ago

My greatest hope is his big ego. He really wants to go down in history as a great president. He may be smart/sly enough to reduce the federal red tape that is strangling America.

Will you take his ambition and ego as reasonable speculation?

Cogitans
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Cogitans
5 months 15 days ago

Ambition and ego are good things if properly focused. George Washington was known to have both, but he also had a keen sense of history, which is why he refused the prospect of kingship b/c his ego would not allow him to take an action that could potentially have him viewed negatively by posterity.

Fruitbat44
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Fruitbat44
5 months 17 days ago
To be honest I would have much preferred Hilary over Trump; preferred a weaselly little professional politician over an oaffish buffoon. To borrow a phrase, “Yes, Hilary’s bad, but at least she’s bad within normal parameters.” Hopefully, Trump won’t be as bad as his detractors make out (not difficult) but so far – to me anyway- he’s come across as a man who says whatever will play well with the gallery at any given moment, with no real ideals beyond his own ego. 🙁 And he’s going to be the leader of the free world. Good luck and God bless… Read more »
00zau
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00zau
5 months 17 days ago

I think a lot of people are thinking of it the opposite way. There’s the saying “better the devil you know” but there’s also a saying about “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” Clinton would be 4 more years of Obama, but worse. People are sick of Obama, and the establishment in general. We don’t know what to expect from Trump, but a chance at something better than what we have now is better than no change at all.

Cogitans
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Cogitans
5 months 15 days ago
In my opinion Hillary would have marked the definitive end of the republic. Not because of what she would do but because what she had done. She got caught red handed, numerous times, violating federal laws, abusing her authority and rigging a primary and we aren’t even get into the conspiracy theory zone. It was beyond that pale, and frankly it would have even made the gilded age political bosses blush. Her winning would have been a big signal to the monied elite that they didn’t even have to pretend to follow the rules anymore so long as they win.… Read more »
BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
5 months 17 days ago

Hillary wore Mao suits. That sends a fairly strong signal of her intentions. If somebody wandered around their professional life in sheets, or Hugo Boss outfits, I hope they would qualify as bad outside of normal parameters.

gmmay
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gmmay
5 months 16 days ago

Oafish Buffoon who has yet-to-be-verified policy positions; or corrupt, spiteful, lawless, crony nepotist who’s accomplished nothing of value during a lifetime of public service.

I didn’t vote for the guy, but at least there’s a chance he might do something beneficial.

Fruitbat44
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Fruitbat44
5 months 15 days ago
There’s always a chance. Mind you at one point I found myself muttering about who would be a better choice than Trump? And the answer came back, anyone who isn’t a character named Platt in a David Drake novel. It cropped up on another thread, and since GRRM has been mentioned, that Cersei Lannister might have been a better choice than Hilary. Hmmm . . . believes in close family bonds and, unlike some politicians, always pays her debts; she could well have done better than Hilary. And a very random thought, Trump and Putin meet in the Oval Office.… Read more »
BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
5 months 17 days ago

On that note, if any of you hysterical melting down types actually believe Trump is Literally Hitler who is going to gas all the Gay Mexican Muslims in concentration camps, your local gun store is thataway.

One of my early concerns about Trump is that his xenophilia makes it unlikely that he will support handling illegals appropriately, as Romulus handled Remus.

It is possible that he superficially dislikes Mexicans, but his business practices are straight out of the Mexican playbook.

S1AL
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S1AL
5 months 17 days ago
Larry, I’m going to borrow your metaphors for an extended response. The problem with that lovely Ham Sandwich is that it’s deviled ham. And all of us who happened to like deviled ham will, like Peter Burke, never convince Caffrey and Mozzie and Jones to like deviled ham. It’s just not going to happen. Appearance and likability matter. That’s why Ham Sandwich isn’t a viable national candidate. As for Ice Cream… well, just like the confection, the candidate is all sugar and fluff with no substance. Same for Egg McMuffin. We simply need better alternative food items on the menu… Read more »
Semiba
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Semiba
5 months 17 days ago

Yep.

A. Nonymous
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A. Nonymous
5 months 17 days ago

I’ve been what the libs call a “Trumptard” since the beginning (Trumptarded like a fox!). I’m livin’ large today. Gamergate, Hugo’s getting exposed, Brexit, and now Trump. Truth, baby.

tuco
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tuco
5 months 17 days ago
You’re never going to get me to believe that Hillary losing is a bad thing. Part of that is because traveling along different branches of the time-space continuum is not currently possible, of course. I voted for Trump. Not because I believed in him to fix our country. I voted for him because I was disgusted with how he was treated by the press who took every chance they came across to vilify him and cover up every weakness of Hillary. I also have been disgusted by the establishment in DC for a long time giving us lip service then… Read more »
Alpheus
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Alpheus
5 months 14 days ago

I was unable to vote for Trump (I voted for Egg McMuffin) but this is a major reason I was deeply pleased by the election results, despite not being able to endorse the winner.

The loser *really* deserved to lose, good and hard!

LastRedoubt
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LastRedoubt
5 months 17 days ago

I think this article by Scott Adams – hardly a raving right-winger – covers both some of your current as well as your past concerns.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152955248046/i-answer-your-questions-about-predicting-president

Robert
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Robert
5 months 17 days ago

2. Trump’s powers of persuasion are better than I have ever seen from a living human. That made it likely that the election would be close.

I think Adams is seriously overselling Trump’s power of persuasion. If you look at the vote totals, he got less votes than Mitt fucking Romney, and voter turnout overall was pretty low for this election. That’s not the record of a persuasive man.

What saved him wasn’t his persuasion, it was that Hillary was in a race to see who could be the worst possible presidential candidate and won.

Guest
5 months 17 days ago

Mitt Romney wasn’t running against both the Republican and Democrat parties, along with the entire media, though. Trump winning at all and not being third in Utah himself is in fact an astonishing feat.

Robert
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Robert
5 months 17 days ago

If he was “the most persuasive man alive”, he wouldn’t have been running against both parties; he’d have persuaded at least one of him to support him whole-heartedly. And his election totals would look more like Ronald Reagan’s.

Guest
5 months 16 days ago

That’s just a plain dumb thing to say.

Robert
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Robert
5 months 16 days ago

No, a plain dumb thing to say is that a man who lost the popular vote and eeked out an electoral college win is the “most persuasive man alive”. If you go by results, which in the end are the only things that matter, Obama is more persuasive than Trump. He at least won both his elections with a majority.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
5 months 16 days ago

Indeed. Judging by the behavior of Trump and his most fervent supporters, his “persuasion” looks a lot like bullying and groupthink.

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
5 months 16 days ago

He failed to persuade me he was a Republican. The most persuasive man in the world might be able to convince me that Himmler, running as an anti-Nazi candidate, had a conversion experience which changed his heart and made him sincerely opposed to the Nazi party, and all Nazi ideals, policies, and methods.

Trump’s messaging strategy may have been ‘nominally Republican Democrat’.

Alan Chambers
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Alan Chambers
5 months 17 days ago

By the time the Primary got to Georgia it was all over so my vote didn’t matter. I still voted and it wasn’t for the Donald. I like the cancer metaphor. It’s much better than mine; a choice between a turd sandwich and glass of warm pee. I can’t tell you how much I want to vote for a candidate instead of against one. Where have all the good people gone? Maybe we need the Space Cowboy Libertarian Candidate to step up.

Ben
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Ben
5 months 17 days ago

Get out of my head! Seriously, you have said pretty much everything I have been saying to other people today. This was such a bittersweet outcome if I can even be that generous.

I am so very glad to have recently found the Monster Hunter series and a author that actually shares my opinions on seemingly everything.

richard mcenroe
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richard mcenroe
5 months 17 days ago

But dude, I just went long on boxcar futures…!

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masgramondou
5 months 17 days ago

Shadowdancer
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5 months 17 days ago

Because, this …. this needs watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs

Do not drink warning.

Arwen
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Arwen
5 months 16 days ago

Wow. I mean just wow. That is something else.

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
5 months 16 days ago

I’d say we didn’t nuke the Japanese hard enough, except I’m not sure Americans aren’t responsible. I don’t know my rockets, but I think those might be ICBMs being launched, and that’s a bit too far for the Japanese.

ravenshrike
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ravenshrike
5 months 14 days ago

I’s a satire music video.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Diva

Shadowdancer
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5 months 13 days ago

Makes it even funnier!

Robert Evans
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5 months 17 days ago

Trump by himself might not overcome his own history, but there is always the Grace of God, which should never be ignored.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go see what that idiot Scalzi thought about the election results. I’ll be taking a bucket along to catch the tears of rage that will be dripping off of him.

(Yah, I know it’s hypocritical to speak of the Grace of God in one sentence, and in the following sentence to talk of gloating over an enemy’s discomfiture. Mea Culpa.)

Member
5 months 17 days ago

I think “Justice Ham Sandwich” has a nice ring to it…

Dan Lane
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Dan Lane
5 months 17 days ago

Does all this talk of butt cancer relate to the prez. elect’s earlier comments that he was “not a politician”? I think it does. He may not have been one before, but he is now… a polyptician.

Shadowdancer
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5 months 17 days ago

*groan!* *chuckles anyway*

Vic M D
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Vic M D
5 months 17 days ago

Well played, Larry!

Michael Maier
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Michael Maier
5 months 17 days ago

If Trump turns out to be Reagan 2 he’s going to have a lot to answer for. That’s the difference here. Americans will at least ATTEMPT to hold Trump accountable. Libtards never admit their masters ever do anything wrong or evil.

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss
5 months 17 days ago

OK, that’s over. Now it’s time to work on getting an Article V convention going, and limiting the power of the feral government to affect us. Rather than voting for the lesser evil, let’s try to cut all evil down to stomping size!

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Robin Munn
5 months 17 days ago

I’d rather spend fifty years or so taking back the education establishment to teach real civics to the voters first. As it is, if we had an Article V convention right now, I’m afraid we’d come out of it with “constitutional rights” to healthcare, a basic income, etc. The dangers outweigh the benefits, IMHO.

Doug Loss
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Doug Loss
5 months 16 days ago

You do realize that anything that comes out of such a convention would have to be ratified by 38 states to go into effect, right? The dangers are entirely overblown.

Steve Crespo
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5 months 17 days ago

“I’m not happy Trump won, but I’m ecstatic that Hillary lost.”

My exact words to my co-workers!

Jake
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Jake
5 months 15 days ago

Agreed! I’m also taking guilty pleasure giggling at all the hand wringing and head-exploding coming from the left and the media the past two days.

Delicious.

Doctor Locketopus
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Doctor Locketopus
5 months 17 days ago

Trump has issued a position paper on the Second Amendment, calling for nationwide reciprocity for carry permits, among other thing.

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Second_Amendment_Rights.pdf

Shadowdancer
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5 months 17 days ago

Ooooh. That’s… actually pretty good, to me.

I didn’t know he has a conceal carry permit.

Feather Blade
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Feather Blade
5 months 16 days ago

I seem to remember something him getting attacked at a rally, and just before his Secrete Service guys took the attacker down and got Trump out of the way, it appeared that he was reaching for something on his hip.

Shadowdancer
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5 months 15 days ago

See, I’d always wondered what it would be like if there was a US President who was also armed.

If ANY of the flaming idiots calling for his assassination actually try, imagine the Prez-elect killing his would-be assassin.

(Not quite as cool as beating him nearly to death with a walking stick, but…)

Shadowdancer
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5 months 14 days ago

That’s awesome to hear, actually, and just from random person out here, I seriously admire the presidential detail agents.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG
5 months 15 days ago

Teddy Roosevelt carried a gun, as did Winston Churchill.

Shadowdancer
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5 months 14 days ago

Oo. Two more little factoids I didn’t know until now. ^,^ Thanks!

Alpheus
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Alpheus
5 months 12 days ago

I seem to recall Andrew Jackson as President shooting someone who shot him; he survived (and I think he even finished his speech being given at the time), but his would-be assassin died.

I may disagree with some of Jackson’s policies, but there’s certainly things about him that make him an interesting character…

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Robin_Munn
5 months 15 days ago
I remember that too. I never saw video of that incident, but I do remember the “he looked like he was reaching for something on his hip” thing being reported in comments somewhere, probably here. My guess is that the Secret Service agents assigned to him will ask him to kindly refrain from pulling a weapon if another such incident occurs, because they’re going to have people grappling with any attacker and they’d rather not get accidentally shot by the guy they’re protecting. (Playing D&D has taught me that if you fire into a grapple situation, 1) you’re more likely… Read more »
Fruitbat44
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Fruitbat44
5 months 15 days ago

If, and that’s an if, Trump was reaching for a pistol, I would expect it to be a gold-plated Deagle. In .50AE.

Guest
5 months 17 days ago

Most of his positions are conservative red meat, they just can’t believe that’s possible from a New York City boy.

Matthew Martin
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Matthew Martin
5 months 16 days ago

Well, he’s also been all over the map in his political history and is notorious as a “deal-maker” who hasn’t always been a model of integrity, so I and others aren’t certain which statements are sincere and which were pandering to his base. The fact that he had no record to run on meant we had minimal evidence to work with.

I don’t trust him, but I’ll give him a chance. But the burden of proof is on him.

Shawna
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Shawna
5 months 16 days ago

Yeah, I kinda feel the same way. He said a lot of things, but how many did he mean? How many will he actually do? Time will tell, I guess.

Pete
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Pete
5 months 16 days ago

Trumps son is a gun nut. I’m of the opinion that we can look forward to the restoration of many gun right, and maybe even some new protections. For instance, the hearing protection act is likely going to be passing. Silencers for everybody!

Fossegrimen
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Fossegrimen
5 months 15 days ago

This is one thing I have never understood about US gun laws. I live in a country with “draconian” gun laws according to our host, and yet there is absolutely zero restrictions on silencers. How can making less noise possibly be a bad thing?

Pete
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Pete
5 months 15 days ago

I think its b/c of TV and movie influence where silencers/suppressors barely make any noise at all, so its thought by many that a proliferation of silencers will lead to loads of people secretly getting murdered in alleys everywhere. At least, thats my take on it.

Also, the gov’t currently makes $200 each time you want one, so they’re not inclined to cut off a flow of income they can find a way to waste.

gmmay
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gmmay
5 months 16 days ago

NPR has a good roundup of his first 100 days. Nothing very objectionable on it at all, and lots of red meat:

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days

Tirno
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5 months 17 days ago
This is what I wrote to a disraught relative today, which seemed to be rather similar to what you’re saying: “This, too, shall pass. You can say that to everyone today. Ease their grief, or temper their joy. And if they can’t or won’t believe that, then remind them that the prices for AR-15s and ammo is not spiking today, so they can stock up for the civil war they expect to arrive presently. Don’t expect the military or cops to do the fighting for them, because the troops are 93% on the ‘Anyone But Hillary’ side (according to a… Read more »
Kristophr
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Kristophr
5 months 17 days ago

Trump we can survive. And what the hell, if he keeps his campaign pledges, he’ll win by a landslide in 2020.

Hillary might have blundered us into WWIII. I live too close to Warren AFB to risk that.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
5 months 16 days ago

I have to wonder. By 2020, he’ll be 83. By 2024, he’ll be 87.

Loki
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Loki
5 months 16 days ago

Actually, he will be 73 and 77.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
5 months 16 days ago

Oooops. That’s what I get for not checking.

Shadowdancer
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5 months 17 days ago
I’m not happy Trump won, but I’m ecstatic that Hillary lost. Myself, i’m ecstastic that Trump won because it means Hillary lost. Do I wish there was a better alternative to Trump? Yeah. But Trump winning over Hillary winning? Prefer Trump. So we get Trump… Now I can only hope that I’m completely wrong about Trump’s character, and that he won’t govern like a thin skinned authoritarian. That would be nice, but I won’t hold my breath. In fact, I would love to be wrong. I pray to be wrong. This summarizes my POV re: Trump. If he does surround… Read more »
Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG
5 months 17 days ago

Larry, I’m thinking it would be good to write up a gun buying guide for the hysterical down types.
In some ways, it would be right & fitting if the person who was all for gun control before Nov. 9 to wind up with a poorly slapped together AR-15 in 8.1234mm Unobtainium for the reasonable price of $3500. However, we want these people honestly invested in shooting properly.

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
5 months 17 days ago

I forgot I may owe some people here an apology for being rude in my incorrect insistence that Trump would not win. I’m sorry.

Guest
5 months 17 days ago

I’m glad Trump won and really glad Hillary lost. I like supporting ridiculously over the top men with big hearts and crazy dreams.

MojaveWolf
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MojaveWolf
5 months 17 days ago
Hey Larry. First time commentor from the left side of the spectrum, who shares your “I’m glad it’s over”. Last night I even said something on my favorite political site very similar to the beginning of your post, “I don’t want him to win but I do want her to lose.” I didn’t vote for either–despite not being entirely in sync with the Green Party, I planned to vote for Jill Stein as the one candidate I could stand, then pivoted at the last minute when Bernie/Tulsi qualified as an official write-in in Cali. I work with a lot of… Read more »