Monster Hunter Nation

On the Hugo Award Announcement

This is going to be brief because I retired from the Sad Puppies campaign last year.

All I can really say to the CHORFs is that they had a chance to deal with people like me or Brad, but instead they decided to be a bunch of pricks and hand out wooden assholes while block voting No Award. In the process they insulted disgruntled fans, and proved that they were a bunch of cliquish elitists just like I’d said they were to begin with.

That’s how you end up with Space Raptor Butt Invasion. Have fun with that.

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swiftfoxmark2
Guest

The Puppies’ side is even better at writing dino-erotica than they are.

It’s no wonder they monopolized the Hugos: they are a bunch of talentless hacks.

Jason M
Guest

They still haven’t learned anything nor conceded that there was a problem in the first place. They think the new nominating scheme will save it. Not bloody likely!

angrywebmaster
Guest

Space Raptor Butt Invasion? Is that an actual real book?

Expendable Henchman
Guest

Yes, Space Raptor Butt Invasion is absolutely a real book.
Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Space-Raptor-Invasion-Chuck-Tingle-ebook/dp/B00S4B95RQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1461880888&sr=8-1&keywords=Space+Raptor+Butt+Invasion%3F

I believe it’s appearance on the list was a direct response to “If you were a dinosaur my love”, which should have been titled “If you had been man enough to pack a .45 1911, you’d still be breathing, my love”

Shawna
Guest

I have to say, getting that book a Hugo nomination is some pro-level trolling. I mean, I’m not in favor of trolling, but I have to admire that.

Nathan
Guest

Additionally, Tingle’s handling of the media circus and the Anti-Puppies has been almost Godfrey Elfwick level performance art.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

And he’s written a sequel which sounds — dare I say it? — almost allegorical:

http://www.amazon.com/Space-Raptor-Redemption-Chuck-Tingle-ebook/dp/B01EZ8UWUK/

Robert Kroese
Guest

Somehow you managed to say more in 5 sentences than Scalzi did in his entire navel-gazing L.A. Times diatribe.

BTW, when I try to comment with FB/Twitter/etc. I get “WordPress Social Login is not properly configured. Facebook requires your application credentials.” Just FYI.

PeterK
Guest

Just when you thought the stench of hypocrisy couldn’t get any worse.

PeterK
Guest

I can’t wait to see what idiotic scheme they come up with next to try and wall off the garden so I can bask in the schadenfreude of its mockery and demise.

UtahJarhead
Guest

At this point, if it’s not Vox’s goal already, but he should burn the building to the ground. If his roving band of ruffians convinces the Hugo clique to vote “No Award” on everything, they’ll become as sought after as a Bieber album.

Patrick
Guest

I hadn’t heard the Hugo announcement yet, so I had to google it. And that led me to this:

http://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-et-jc-john-scalzi-hugo-award-nominations-20160426-story.html

You know, I actually liked Old Man’s War. And Redshirts was alright. But damn if I don’t want to punch John Scalzi in his smug, stupid, a-holish face every time I read an article/post by him. God that guy is just the worst.

Chris
Guest

You spelled “shitweasel” wrong.

Expendable Henchman
Guest

Nope, “J-O-H-N space S-CA-L-Z-I” His spelling was dead on.

SteveW
Guest

It’s time to bring out the word “Backpfeifengesicht”

anonme
Guest

Germans really do have a word for anything.

TRX
Guest

Hm, we might find a use for that…

English: All Your Words Are Belong To Us.

JHardin
Guest

And if not, they’ll paste together three or four they already have to make a new one.

Robin Munn
Guest

Have you read the Mark Twain article about the German language? He talks about reading to the bottom of a page, seeing that the author was still on the same sentence as he’d started the page with, and then turning the page and finding about two lines of nothing but verbs.

🙂

Shadowdancer
Guest

That one’s always made me giggle.

Richard McEnroe
Guest

Twain attended a performance of the Neibelung trilogy Germany. As the audience stumbled out, his hosts realized he wasn’t with them in the crowd.

They returned to their box, where Twain was waiting patiently.

“I was waiting for the verb ” he explained.

Mike W.
Guest

Do journos get early access to the Hugo results? Scalzi’s LAT article went up 20+ minutes before the retro Hugos were announced, and it was another 45 minutes to get to this year’s finalists. Not that this influences the vote count, but is interesting, none-the-less.

Jeff Duntemann
Guest

I had that same thought; I was googling for responses to the ballot just minutes after it was announced, and the LAT item was already there. Scalzi works very hard at being the consummate insider, so it’s not impossible that he and others working for the major blogs had some early intel.

Shadowdancer
Guest

I mean, it’s not as if we could accuse the Worldcon people of being principled and impartial, having refused any other vote analysis group to have anonymized data, but giving it to the people whose end goal was to justify EPH.

Bryan
Guest

I’m confused, did Scalzi quote himself in an article he wrote? Isn’t that generally considered bad form?

Patrick
Guest

Well you see, when you’re as amazing as he is, no one else can produce quotes that deserve inclusion.

That, or he’s just trying to find new ways of being up his own ass.

Daddy Warpig
Guest

Scalzi’s column, summarized in full:

1 In a year of record turnout, Puppies nominated works that were great and deserve Hugos.

2 These great works that deserve Hugos would have gotten on the ballot without the Puppies anyway.

3 But we won’t vote for these great works that deserve Hugos because SCREW ALL YOU GUYS ESPECIALLY VOX DAY AND WE HATE YOU AND DIRTY DIRTY SLATES!

Larry’s point is proven. Again.

James May
Guest

John Scalzi – my main bitch.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

Scalzi has to remain in the spotlight somehow, considering how he’s turned down nominations after a year he couldn’t get nominated at all.

Coop
Guest

Scalzi is the recorder flute of people. If you can still be surprised by how disappointed you can be in him, count yourself lucky for not being as exposed to him as others.

Robin Munn
Guest

Hey now. You’re maligning quite a nice instrument. I’ve heard some very nice music played on recorder flutes: the key is to have a flautist who actually knows what they’re doing, and isn’t a schoolchild learning their first musical instrument. It’s the latter that have given recorder flutes a bad name. Their simplicity doesn’t have to be a negative; in the right hands, it can be an asset.

Lawson
Guest

That is the sad truth it seems. I have a friend who met him in person, once. She described him as being arrogant, kinda in love with himself, and not pleasant to be around. Kinda feel sorry for her, at least it was only once, right?

The Phantom
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This is my experience of Mr. Scalzi. I liked Old Man’s War, in fact I liked most of his stuff up until he started running his mouth about Sad Puppies and what a bunch of racists we are for doing… he’s a bit vague on that part. So now I’m having a one-man undeclared Scalzi boycott. He’s a typical Little Man, all bark and no cattle. Or something. Plus there’s that aura of opportunistic sleazebag about him. I’m left with the impression he’ll do or say virtually anything if he thinks it’ll make him look good to the right people.… Read more »
Shawna
Guest

I haven’t liked any of Scalzi’s books more than “okay”, and most of the ones I tried, I couldn’t finish. I first heard of him when one of the producers of Stargate Atlantis kept reccing his books (which is the only reason I tried him in the first place) and subsequently brought him on as a creative consultant on the show. Which (purely by coincidence, I’m sure) also marked a sharp decline in the storytelling quality of what had been, for the first half of its run, one of my favorite shows.

Shadowdancer
Guest

Well crap. I’m enjoying SG:A right now and he’s going to fuck up the storytelling later?

Achillea
Guest

I thought he was only involved in Stargate: Universe. Which explains why that series sucked so much ass — I mean, a 20-year-old Marine Master Sergeant was just the tip of that failberg.

deadcenter
Guest

I stopped watching after the second or third time one member of the crew said to another member, “I know we’re all alone out here and we have to rely on each other in order to survive but I’ve got this secret that could get us all killed but you can’t tell anyone about it”, Stargate: Junior High School.

Shadowdancer
Guest

Achillea – I hope you’re right. I’m really enjoying SG:A, it’d suck if it got bad later on.

Matthew
Guest

5th season had way too much deus ex machina and sheer silliness, but seasons 1-4 were pretty solid.

MC DuQuesne
Guest

Old Man’s War was good, Redshirts was okay fan fiction, but his Little Fuzzy “reboot” was a crime against Piper and Pappy Jack that I found unforgivable. His subsequent histrionics about Sad Puppies merely confirmed the blackness of his soul.

Chris L
Guest

Redshirts wasn’t just fan fiction, part of it was a very specific piece of fan fiction called “Visit to a Weird Planet”. It was a fun read, not even the least bit original.

Himeo
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I liked Old Man’s War for the first 3/4ths of it. I thought it was a well written and interesting Space Opera masquerading as Military SF. Then, for some strange reason, he added a pro-vegan plot twist that didn’t fit the story. I wouldn’t have payed any attention to it, except that he deliberately framed it to make it clear to the reader it was included as a political message rather than as a storytelling device. It’s like, “Oh, in case you missed my political views with the subtle inclusion of a giant orgy at the start of the book,… Read more »
Richard McEnroe
Guest

I think you meant all hat and no bite.

David MacKinnon
Guest

I bought John Ringo’s anthology about his zombie verse. There was a story from John Scaliz in it. I read it with trepidation. I was right to feel that way (no spoiler). Now I feel dirty that I probably put a dollar in that fuckwits pocket.
Ringo is awesome, but damn……

Brian Niemeier
Guest

Note that Scalzi opened his face at least 25 minutes before the finalists were announced.

Jon Bromfield
Guest

Scalzi just announced that he is “substantially” curtailing his online presence all of May, supposedly to concentrate on writing, traveling and other activities. Given his failure to deliver his first book to Tor under his big new contract for this year, I read that to mean Patrick Nielsen Hayden is telling him he better have a publishable manuscript in by June for 2017 release or Tor will be exercising the “out” clauses.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

“Shut up about the Puppies and write, John.”

Jon Bromfield
Guest

Anything to avoid facing a blank Word document.

James May
Guest
Tor’s editors have proven time and again they are incapable of finding talent, which is their main job. They have let Harry Potter, Bella, Katniss, Andy Weir and Hugh Howey all get away, and right in their back yard. Did Robert Metcalf at All-Story Weekly let a completely unknown E. Rice Burroughs get away? No, he published him right away, established a relationship and made big bucks for Munsey. And what happened when Metcalf mismanaged the situation with Burroughs? He was fired. Tor needs to fire their incompetents and bring in new blood who can find and manage talent and… Read more »
John C Wright
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Or retaining talent they do find: COUNT TO INFINITY will be my last work for Tor unless they find some way to molify my readers, who are still boycotting them.

JSchuler
Guest

Coincidentally, your book title is probably how long you will have to wait for Tor to do that.

James May
Guest
Here’s the thing about the Haydens; look at the tens of thousands of hours they’ve spent on their egotistical Making Light site congratulating themselves on how nice their judgments are. Why the hell weren’t they spending that time establishing relationships, contacts, with talent agencies, film producers and screenwriters? Why didn’t they know about Weir and Howey? Isn’t that their job? What part of their job includes insulting white men and judging “talent” by some fuck feminist standard of society? Let me tell you something: if you’re embarrassed by having too many men or whites in your talent line-up, you’ll destroy… Read more »
Stephen M. St. Onge
Guest

At the moment, I can’t imagine buying anything from Tor, or MacMillan, or Holtzbrinck. But if I read one of yours that Tor published (thank you, public library), I’ll try to find a way to send you some money.

Shadowdancer
Guest

If you do end up leaving Tor, I hope you can get your books back from them so they can be republished elsewhere.

steve poling
Guest

Someone should monetize the Hugos with a popcorn concession

LastRedoubt
Guest

Larry – that has got to be the shortest post I’d ever read here, or damn close.

And yeah. I was sad, last year got me pissed.

Keep writing the great stuff, we’ll keep reading it, and may the Hugos sink into irrelevancy so the Dragon awards or something like it may prosper.

S1AL
Guest

Space Raptor Butt Invasion.

I laugh every. single. time.

Vox Day is a master class trollamancer.

Richard McEnroe
Guest

Vox Day will NOT keep me down! I WILL write ‘Invading Extraterestrial Ass Bandits from Outer Space!’ See if I don’t!

James May
Guest

The Genderblind Pronoun Pirates of Anoos IV.

Richard McEnroe
Guest

Oddly, the Anoosi invasion pestered out around Uranus…

Richard McEnroe
Guest

The War probably started because humanity didn’t understand the aliens were a group conflict, and the continued references to the Anoosi Whole were sadly mistranslated…

Richard McEnroe
Guest

God I hate Android. “GROUP CONSCIOUSNESS”, “PETERED OUT”…

Johann Amadeus Metesky
Guest
Johann Amadeus Metesky

An alternate to a classic The Twilight Zone episode: “To Service Man”.

William Lehman
Guest

I think you mean petered out…

James May
Guest

I dare them to hand out their anus awards this year. They’ll look like… asses.

snelson134
Guest

And this would be different from every other year how, exactly?

Coop
Guest

No balls

Respect Orcs Now
Guest

Please do! I’ll bring it to the Supreme Dark Lords attention for a nomination.

jic
Guest

Am I the only one who suspects Chuck Tingle *is* Vox Day?

Nathan Housley
Guest

If not VD, I suspect one of the VFM/Ilk.

The Nybbler
Guest

Maybe it’s Scalzi? What a twist that would be, Vox Day gets the Hugo for the story and Scalzi jumps up and down and say “IN YOUR FACE, BEALE! YOU JUST GOT ME ANOTHER HUGO!”

Well, a man can dream.

C scoot
Guest

I read the Tingle interview and confess it was amusing enough that the dino porn might be worth a look just for the sheer perverse weirdness.

MC DuQuesne
Guest

This dramatic reading of the story really brings it to life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD2NJ88D7nA

Respect Orcs Now
Guest

You’re funny. Chuck Tingle is a prolific writer… and Scalzi can’t honor his big big $$ contracts.

jyksrhr
Guest

I’m hoping Larry himself.

[Pulls off mask] “It was me John, it was me all along!”

Shawna
Guest

I kinda feel like last year, the SJWs drove off those of us who were fairly moderate in all this and were just brought in because we discovered we could vote on this award and thought it’d be fun. And then discovered what it was really like, threw up our hands, and abandoned the whole thing. So now all they’re left with are the trolls.

Robin Munn
Guest

You know which other award you can vote for, that doesn’t stand a chance of being dominated by SJWs? The newly-announced DragonCon Award. (Googles…) Oh, it’s called the Dragon Award. Still, a Google search for DragonCon Award turns up the right page as result #1. Best part is, there’s no need to shell out $40 or $50 for the privilege of voting: voting is free. Which means they’ll get WAY more participation than the Hugos, and will be an award truly representative of large sections of fandom.

Shawna
Guest

Yep, I signed up to do that one. Looking forward to seeing how it all goes.

Jim Cruum
Guest

Great. You made me Google Space Raptor Butt Invasion.
Now I have to explain that in my cache…

Gjr
Guest

I imagine if he has any self awareness, Gerrold might be regretting his tactless “assterisks” stunt right about now. Reaped what he sowed.

John R. Ellis
Guest

Considering when people confronted him about it directly, he was all “Oh?!? Then you obviously HATE ENDANGERED SPECIES because every time somebody gets one of these somehow a charitable donation is made!!!!!1111!!!!!111ONE!”…I’m thinking it’s not very likely.

Richard McEnroe
Guest

No resemblance between Gerrold and the ASSterisks.They’re too small.

James May
Guest

“Scotty, lock onto those anus discs and transport them directly to my pants. I wish to extrude one of my famous Star-Awards.”

“Aye, way aheada ya Captain. Clench yeer mighty buttocks and have yerself a go.”

NOTROLL
Guest

Spoiler alert:

I just started reading Hard Magic 1, but I think the title is misleading. I don’t think there is any magical dinosaur erotica inside. Please let me know now so I can move on to SRBI.

Old NFO
Guest

LOL, sounds like you had a great trip!

Thomas Hewlett
Guest

When you say “had a chance to deal with people like me,” what would have been a rationale response/fruitful negotiation in your opinion? (I’m curious about this because in reading both sides over the past couple of years, I’m starting to lose the thread of where this all spiraled into hopeless balkanization.)

JAWolf
Guest

Someone who respects the institution of the Hugos and merely wants to extend the nominees beyond the usual favorites. As opposed to Vox Day who is chanting, “The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire! We don’t need no water—Let the motherf***er burn! Burn, motherf***er, burn!” as his minions who are parking dump trucks full of salt next to the combine tractors.

Thomas Hewlett
Guest

Not much of an endgame, really.

Chris L
Guest

Apparently it’s enough for Vox, but no, it’s not helpful.

James May
Guest

Well, you have the possibility of key ring size anus discs you can use like a Playdough Fun Factory to make a 1/72 scale ranch house. That’s an end game.

JAWolf
Guest

For VD it’s a terrific endgame. He hates the SF establishment after he was booted from SFWA.

For the Sad Puppies, the end game was increasing diversity in nominees- and not just the skin deep manner of the SJW vision. Less control for Tor and to somewhat turn the tide of the deleterious trends in SF.

For the establishment the endgame should have been to neutralize the rebels- by co-opting them, thus making them, at worst, the loyal opposition. Instead… well, you know the rest of the story.

Stephen J.
Guest

To be fair, Vox’s opinion of the SF establishment was never high, and his expulsion from SFWA wasn’t what made it that way; the decidedly non-professional (as in literally irrelevant to the profession, i.e. having nothing to do with protecting SF authors in the publishing marketplace) politics and character of the organization was what shaped that. Launching the expulsion initiative at all was merely the capstone.

And I pretty much gather that Vox’s opinion of *any* establishment, by virtue of it being an establishment, tends to be low on a general basis.

boballab
Guest

The Romans thought it was the perfect end game for the Third Punic War when they razed Carthage and salted the land. Vox says if it’s good enough for the Romans it’s good enough for him when dealing with the Chorfs.

Expendable Henchman
Guest

Rabid Puppies is a work in progress. From this angle, It’s coming along just fine.

Thomas Hewlett
Guest

I see. How so?

JSchuler
Guest

“It is great that more people are participating in the Hugos. We wish everyone luck and may the best works be recognized.”

Notice the distinct lack of the words “racist,” “sexist,” “cis-gendered,” “white,” and “fuck.”

Thomas Hewlett
Guest

Noted! Now I’m wondering why no one simply said that. Why are always so damn ready to go off on each other? After all, “May the best book win!” could be delivered with an icy stare and maniacal smile, if you really need to let some anger out….

Chris L
Guest

That lacks the ability to virtue signal.

60guilders
Guest

No one said that because the elites in power thought they could get away with excluding people, as per usual.
Basically, they reacted like French aristos instead of British ones.

Patrick Chester
Guest

I was evil enough to post a “The People Are Revolting” clip from History of the World, Part I on the HugoAwards hashtag. 😀

Synova
Guest
Well, there’s Larry and then there is Straw Larry. Instead of choosing to deal with Larry, Straw Larry was ushered onto the stage and propped up there and railed against. Instead of listening to fans, oh, like ME, when we explained how this all looked from our point of view, the torches came out. A fruitful negotiation would have involved simply not creating Straw Larry to begin with. It would have involved bothering to *hear* the fans who explained at great length just *why* they were unhappy with the direction that SF was heading instead of dismissing us as racists… Read more »
Patrick Chester
Guest

Straw Larry?! That guy’s a DICK!

James May
Guest

Ummmm…. a race-neutral definition of the word “racist”? Since when did that become digging the Panama Canal?

Craig(2)
Guest

Simplest rational response could have stopped this from being a big thing was at the SP2 stage. Downvote Vox if you hate Vox; maybe even downvote Larry for liking Vox if you hate Vox just that much…. but don’t attack people like Toni Weisskopf or Dan Wells for the crime of being liked by Larry. Take away the slander and have Toni get the Hugo with maybe one or two decent nonwinning finishes, things go ten times smoother.

Synova
Guest
At either SP2 or SP3… or even, shockingly, at SP1… not acting like the world was going to end in a ball of fire just because someone from the outer darkness happened to get a nomination would have been a freakingly good start. But the Noah Ward thing? I know people can’t control what anyone else does, but oh oh OH how understanding! How thoughtfully empathetic to dear tender hearted Noah Ward… bless her heart which is full of feelz. Can’t blame *anyone* who feelz the need to defend all that is Right and Good in the world by voting… Read more »
Book
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For starters, they could have just accepted us as fellow fans of SF/F. They decided to go all Mean Girls on any wrong-fans instead. I don’t speak for all SP, obviously, but IMHO, if in the very beginning, ASPs had said “We’d like to welcome you and all of your fans to vote in the Hugos” – I’d have been cool with it. Sounds simple, yes? Instead, what we got was a lot of angry diatribes about how we weren’t REAL fans- we probably don’t even read! And the stuff we like sucks! And REAL fans shouldn’t have to be… Read more »
Chris L
Guest
Yeah, that real fan crap really stunk up the place. Here’s a clue, real fans are those who are actually interested enough in the genre to part with their money and buy a book, see a movie, or otherwise indulge in their passion. Sometimes they go to cons, but mostly they read their favorite authors in the company break room, on the bus to work, or when the kids finally get to sleep. They aren’t part of some clique, and guys like Scalzi and Gerrold will never know their names. What they are though, are the folks who’s hard earned… Read more »
Scholar-at-Arms
Guest

GRRM kept up appearances of even-handedness for a little while, but his prejudices shown through pretty early. I doubt many were surprised when it became apparent he had helped engineer last year’s Noah Wards.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

I seem to recall him saying he would assist Sad Puppies 4.

As far as I know, he never did.

Daddy Warpig
Guest

The CHORF’s killed the Hugos through their own assholery. Fortunately, the Dragon awards are here. A short (15 min) podcast on this:

“I would like to put this whole Hugo thing behind me. I’m not interested in playing patty cake with morons for the rest of my life.”

https://soundcloud.com/geek-gab/dragon-awards-commentary-geek-gab-episode-49

Robin Munn
Guest

Random question, if Larry sees this:

Larry, on that show, the host pronounced your last name as “Cor-REE-ah”. I always thought it was pronounced “Cor-RAY-ah”. Was I mistaken, or was he?

Craig(2)
Guest

I’ve assumed the former (that it sounded like Korea) since reading Bad Penny (by John D. Brown). And mentioning that had me double-check the title…. and find out there’s a sequel.

Robin Munn
Guest

Just found https://jasoncordova.com/2010/06/02/larry-correia-interview/ and yes, Larry has said that it’s pronounced like the country of Korea. I will adjust my pronunciation accordingly in the future.

Patrick Chester
Guest

I’m sure I will screw up the pronunciation regularly. 😮

Achillea
Guest

I’d always pronounced it KOR-ee-ah until I watched Larry introduce himself in his Ice Bucket Challenge video and he pronounced it like the country.

JAWolf
Guest

New truism: Deal with the moderates with whom you disagree today or battle the extremist absolutist tomorrow.

The 2015 Hugo Awards Ceremony minted or converted many Rabid Puppies. (No, I’m not one of them. I just grok where they come from.)

Coop
Guest

Fucking.
Called.
It.
https://youtu.be/qZOWipBL0gM

BassmanCO
Guest

Somehow, those never get old.

Mike W.
Guest

“…and beat off with a death grip like this on his cock.” Not a VD fan, but OMFG is this spot on. If EPB passes, it seems like a guarantee to let VD insert 2-3 nominees per year, every year, as long as he can persuade 450-550 likeminded persons to chip in for supporting memberships.

But you know, keep hating him harder, because that has worked so well so far.

Randy P.
Guest

SJWs can only hate. They can’t help themselves.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Yeah, I think history will show that the ceremony and the gloating that followed sealed the Hugo’s fate.

c scoot
Guest

This seems to a consistent problem these days. Trump/Cruz/Bernie are symptoms as is the whole craziness happening on campus these days. Its as if no one on the lefy can control themselves when confronted with the slightest disagreement. They immediately leap to the most extreme response possible rather than trying compromise or reasoned discourse.

Basara549
Guest

Someone needs to get the rights to write “Tremors” erotica, and have “If You Were an Ass-Blaster, My Love” ready for next year’s nominations….

James May
Guest

I prefer more straightforward titles like “Kill Those Straight White Cis Males, My Raptor Bitch!”

Matthew
Guest

It must suck to be dumber than the Johnson Administration. *They* knew what “They deal with Martin so they don’t have to deal with me” meant.

JAWolf
Guest

I was thinking in terms of that analogy.

PavePusher
Guest

LMM-FAO

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

I do think there’s still a place for Sad Puppies, but the Hugos are doomed. Between Vox and the SJWs, I don’t think there will be anything left in a few years. But there is a place for those who stand against the snobs and SJWs of fandom.

James May
Guest
The Hugos will eventually be forced to go to juried nominations and awards. That will cost them money and only highlight their devotion to their feminist cult. They won’t be able to hide behind anonymous hundreds of voters anymore. The Hugos are finished. They’re sailing on the fumes of the Puppies campaigns. Without that the number of voters would be far less than what it is. They mind stand a chance if they insisted only shorts that are not free are eligible. They won’t do that. Their feminist loss leader depends on being subsidized, since no one wants to read… Read more »
George Kirby
Guest

It kind of is a juried award. It’s just a big jury.

James May
Guest

A big jury of third wave feminist mental cases who claim straight white males have eaten their homework for 5,000 years.

Randy P.
Guest

And who decides who the jury is?

Mike W.
Guest

I disagree. I think that barring some new incendiary event greater than no awarding whole categories, the Hugo ‘in-group’ loyalty will outlast the outrage that VD can stoke among his block voters. Additionally, the creation of the Dragon award, if it has any staying power, will provide a safety valve for those frustrated by the Hugos, further diluting outrage.

Feather Blade
Guest

You don’t understand.

It’s not about the outrage, it’s about the lulz.

As long as the lulz last, Vox will have as maky minions as he needs to help.

It does help that in addition to the lulz, this whole thing is showing a successful template for fighting the encroachment of the grey-goo-mongers.

Nathan
Guest

Watching diversity advocates like Mary Three Names and Jemisin try to talk a writer of…exotic…erotica into withdrawing certainly has been lulzy.

Still think that the $50 for a vote are better spent on beans and bullets this year.

Matthew
Guest

Any fun links?

James May
Guest

LOL. By “underrepresented groups” Jemisin means a pack of yowling man-hating anti-white heterophobes, of which she is the leader. In the minds of these weird feminists, “underrepresented” also translates to “My mother chose to read Ladies’ Home Journal, instead of Astounding.” That’s “male elitism” and “erasure.”

Next on the list: the underrepresented groups of the National Hockey League and military draft. Here’s how to not be underrepresented in the NHL or war: Patronize fucking hockey and #OccupyDraftOffices. #WeNeedDiverseWars. Don’t forget those freezer warehouses. You’re underrepresented. Go in there and freeze your asses off. Who’s stopping you?

Doctor Locketopus
Guest

Gay velociraptor fetishists have historically been FAR more “underrepresented” in the Hugo Awards than women, or black people, or whatever group she’s actually talking about, so I’m not sure what Jemisyn (whatever… I’m going to bother going back to check the spelling) means by this.

snelson134
Guest

Except that the lulz cost money. And unless Vox wants to go full Tor and subsidize the lulz by purchasing memberships, the costs will not be worth it.

Respect Orcs Now
Guest

Can confirm. I missed 2015. 2016 has been incredibly amusing.

Richard McEnroe
Guest

Hello. Have you MET the internet.

Randy P.
Guest

You’ve never seem Vox’s group work, have you?

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

I have heard it suggested we drop the name and create a successor organization.

The Phantom
Guest

Yeah, because we’re kicking their asses. Obviously they’d like us to stop and start kicking each other instead. ~:)

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

I guess we’ll see after the No Award ceremony this August.

Amaryllis
Guest
I’m not 100% sure what you mean, but I don’t honestly see how that does anything. Sad Puppies WAS the more appealing, welcoming, casual-friendly organization, the one that wanted to have their piece, but do it within the rules. The CHORFs made it clear how much they valued that attempt at good faith. I considered myself SP last year. After attending WorldCon (it was close to where I live), and witnessing the wooden butthole thing and how happy and smug everyone was, SJWs prancing proudly and trying to humiliate people they had known for years who were right in their… Read more »
Randy P.
Guest

It’s not like SJWs can create, anyway. They can only subvert. Take away the Hugos and they won’t create their own awards: they will try to co-opt the Dragons instead.

Nathan
Guest

The only way for the Hugos to survive is for the adults to silence the children and actually vote for the awards based on literary merit. Not only does that defang Puppy criticisms, Vox doesn’t have any incidents for reprisals. (His approach is “Treat others how you would like to be treated, because I will treat you in the same way you treat others.”) Unfortunately, I don’t really see that self-policing happening.

c scoot
Guest

FWIW I refuse to be an adult on this. I have sucked it up and that has gotten me nowhere. In fact I’m pretty much done with anything that doesn’t end with combines and salt trucks because I have flat had it with theses A**holes.

Camestros Felapton
Guest
I don’t know why you think that Chris. Kate Paulk did what she said she would do – run an open/transparent system for collecting reccomendations and encourage participation. Instead of flooding the categories with dreck like Brad’s stuffup of a campaign, SP4 had a moderate influence helping get some picks over the line (Minz in editor, Cinder Spires – at a guess). The contrast between Paulk’s constructive campaign and Vox’s wrecking campaign is obvious. Larry and Brad putting all their effort into insulting voters just resulted in voters feeling insulted. This year there are five novels all of which are… Read more »
60guilders
Guest

Camestros, even when you try to pretend to be conciliatory you just can’t help but show your true colors. It’s kind of sad.

Camestros Felapton
Guest

You mean that when I give my honest opinion it upsets you? Sure – would you really rather I lied?

James May
Guest

You’ve admitted on your own blog you’re biased. Were you lying then or now?

60guilders
Guest

You giving your honest opinion doesn’t upset me.
What is annoying is when it looks like you’re lying and you’re really, really bad at it.

Camestros Felapton
Guest

What do you think I’m lying about? I’m saying the same things I’ve said openly in different forums and I’ve got no reason to lie about any of it.
I’m guessing your problem is that me saying something positive about SP4 must be some kind of SJW trick or something.
Nope it is just what I think based on reasons I’ve given here and elsewhere. If you want to pretend its some cunning mind game (to what end I can’t imagine) then go ahead but you’ll only be fooling yourself.

60guilders
Guest

More like that even when you’re being honest you come across as disingenuous.

Richard McEnroe
Guest

Be honest but leave yourself some room for when you decide to stop.

The Phantom
Guest

Personally I’d rather you pull your head out of your ass and join the party, because your “honest opinion” seems deliberately designed to annoy.

Speaking of which, the cat thing you’re doing at your blog is fucking retarded. Just thought you ought to know.

Camestros Felapton
Guest

I’ll let Timothy know – he is a big fan of your comments 😉

Matthew
Guest

Hey, look guys!

Concern troll is concerned!

George Kirby
Guest

Is that cat going to vote?

I kind of feel the way you do. Pretty much. For the big one, it looks like some good things to pick from. Handing out a few “No Awards” in a few minor categories doesn’t much bother me. Some of those categories could go away.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

“Is that cat going to vote?”

Well, the 2018 Hugos are probably going to need someone to make up the numbers.

Randy P.
Guest

Yeah, like you’re going to No Award Moira Greyland. Don’t bother reading up on it or anything, virtue signaling is more important.

James May
Guest
Given the default orthodoxy of the SFWA today and it’s constant and unflinching support of Joanna Russ, the children-determine-gender theory of it’s most activist members, its support of Sam Miller, Jr, Delany; Scalzi and Leckie’s open advocacy for new gender pronouns, the support of the sick predatory feminist utopias of Shulamith Firestone, the open support of the Simone de Beauvoir who lost her teaching license suborning a female student and years later pushed for lowering age of consent laws in France, and the incest/pedophilia-is-more-normal-than-the-gender-binary pushed by the Judith Butler whose theories rule this weird world, I’d say society and its… Read more »
Brian McGoldrick
Guest
Unfortunately, the video was taken down from youtube, but back when the Proposition 8 fight was going on, there was a video of one of these homosexual activists at an anti-Prop 8 rally. She blatantly crowed about their purpose having nothing to do with equal rights and being all about the demolition of the traditional family in America. Thousands of the homosexual activists at that rally gave her a roaring ovation when she made those claims. I wish the video was still up there, but it was removed not long after I saw it. I think the message was that… Read more »
James May
Guest
“Neil Gaiman @neilhimself @PhilSandifer I wish the hugos had sent us a message saying ‘by the way, you are on that creepy racist’s slate’. They didn’t. 2:41 PM – 26 Apr 2016” Hey, Neil, you’re on the Twitter feed of a creepy pedophile defender. Unsurprisingly, this moron below joins the conversation: “Asymptotic Binary @ asymbina At the Margin, also Durham, NC Economist by day. White (but anti-whiteness) trans lesbian. ADHD, depression. #weneeddiverseeverything #girlslikeus asymbina.tumblr.com” Just one big, happy, non-gendered racist cis family, or whatever. By contrast, the Addams Family look like Ozzie and Harriet. If you our defenders of intersectional… Read more »
George Kirby
Guest

I saw that response from Neil at File 770. Pretty funny.

60guilders
Guest

And now we understand the problem with SJWs. Their senses of humor have been removed and replaced.

The Phantom
Guest
“The contrast between Paulk’s constructive campaign and Vox’s wrecking campaign is obvious.” Yes, Kate decided to do everything every Vile770 whiner asked, because SLAAAAAAAATES! Knowing we would STILL kick your asses Camestros, because the number of people out there absolutely disgusted with the Hugos since forever is -large-, my friend. Pretty much every SF fan who’s not some sort of Ivory Tower Wymin’s Studies prof has been disgusted since the 1980’s. I certainly have been. Meanwhile, Beale decided to just hammer the fuck out of you. For which, given last year’s assterisks and cheering for No Award, I do not… Read more »
c scoot
Guest

The Hugo and Nebula, etc. have been irrelevant to me for so long I honestly couldn’t say that it ever made a difference. Not that it matters but I’ve been reading 2-3 genre books since the mid70’s so thats a LOT of missed oppotunities for the publishing industry.

Mrs. Wright
Guest

Is this the guy who has his cat review books? Am I the only person who thought that was hilarious?

Mrs. Wright
Guest

Sad Puppies could run a nice reading list every year, Hugos or no Hugos.

Brian McGoldrick
Guest

In honor of a Space Raptor Butt Invasion, I present you with a link:
http://www.wuxiaworld.com/issth-index/issth-book-4-chapter-327/

The end of the chapter preceding the link:
Just as they were about to enter the city, Meng Hao heard the parrot next to him, panting heavily.

“Eee? Now that I’m closer I can see that flirty look in its eyes… Hm, a red bird, I’ve never tried that out before….” Before Meng Hao could react or even think about what it meant, the parrot was gone. Meng Hao watched as ripples spread out in the air, and a multicolored streak shot up through the air toward the peacock.

Achillea
Guest

WTF did I just read?

BobtheRegisterredFool
Guest
BobtheRegisterredFool

The genre is xianxia (‘chivalrous immortal’ or ‘cultivation hero’), and the author is Er Gen, who is a very popular Chinese language writer in that genre.

The parrot calls himself ‘Lord Fifth’ and has a depraved interest in anything with fur or feathers.

Brian McGoldrick
Guest

LOL. A Scarlett Peacock Butt Invasion.

Richard McEnroe
Guest

If the birds fit perfectly is it a Scarlet Johansson block?

Nicki
Guest

I love Space Raptor Butt Invasion SO MUCH!!!

What I love even more is watching Damien Walter squirm uncomfortably, while claiming not only that the Pups didn’t win, but that they don’t matter anyway. The equivalent of a 5 year old sticking his tongue out.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik
J.M.
Guest

Judging by how fast that was written and released, I suspect Ringo got drunk, spent 15 mins in a walk in freezer and submitted it to Amazon.

jic
Guest

No, when Ringo spends 15 minutes writing a book, it ends up being at least 400 pages long. And the start of a series.

c scoot
Guest

I just read the free sample on Kindle. His writing is clean, grammatical, and (IMHO) most importantly lacks the usual spelling errors found in Indie stories. I think….I want more.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

I won’t judge you.

Much.

George Kirby
Guest
Larry I think they are dealing with you. You started a slate tactic and there are two proposals (EPH and 6/4) at the business meeting to deal with slate tactics. I expect both will pass. “No award” is already a tool in the tool box. It should be enough for the fans to determine what they want to do. Still some room for dogs to play around the edges and dominate a category that doesn’t get a lot of attention. If slating a small category is good marketing and can get the famed “Hugo Nominated” tag, I would say bring… Read more »
Tim H
Guest
EPH is being sold as a magic bullet to stop slates, but it’s designed to stop *any* relatively small well-organised group from taking over entire categories. So it won’t stop the Rabid Puppies from getting at least one or two nominations in each category if they’ve got the numbers to do it, possibly more if there’s an overlap between Puppy and TruFan picks. It also stops the CHORFS/Torlings/SJWs/MessageFictionFans from punching above their weight and crowding out everything else the way they they seemed to have been doing 2-3 years ago. So if Vox really wants something like “Conquered By Clippy”… Read more »
George Kirby
Guest

It’s OK for pups to get representation in the various categories. That’s what the fee is for. Pay your money and you get to vote.

Synova
Guest

Well, glad that YOU think so, but I remember SP2.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Yeah, they freaked out over getting a single SP nominee in each category. Larry’s wife had people calling her asking her if she was in danger.

Tim H
Guest

IIRC they freaked out the most about Vox Day getting a nomination. His was the only SP nominee to finish below Noah Ward (though the rest all finished last).

60guilders
Guest

Let’s clarify exactly what that part about people calling Mrs. Correia to ask about her safety actually means.
The puppy-kickers weren’t actually threatening the Correias (well, not by any rules except their own). They didn’t have the guts for that. No, what they were doing was claiming that Larry Correia was an evil misogynistic hater, and people were concerned that he was abusing Mrs. Correia.
In other words, the puppy-kickers were trying to get the government to do their dirty work for them.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

I’m surprised they haven’t enlisted the President yet. Maybe this year.

Randy P.
Guest

Their #1 candidate is a Communist. How is their love of government enforcement surprising?

Feather Blade
Guest

….you mean they’re fighting the battle that happened two years ago?

Ahahahaha! Typical.

Dan
Guest

Last year they “no awarded” some very worthy works. No award is not a tool. It is a tantrum. And anyone that says Larry started slates is ignorant or a liar. Slates have been around for almost as long as the Hugos

George Kirby
Guest

Those are the rules. I think Rod Serling once finished below “no award”. To Feather Blade – yes that is the battle they are fighting.

Synova
Guest

“The rules” allowed slates so… did you possibly have any sort of point?

Saber Alter
Guest

None, he’s just throwing his massive amount of salt around hoping he’ll burn someone else with it and then pretend he isn’t going to go down a half-gallon of Ben & Jerry’s in despair.

analogkid
Guest

Regardless of historical footnotes, until the last few years, No Award was presented as “something that always finishes last, but we keep around in case the Scientologists or another cult nominate their leader’s crap book.”

Last year you declared that’s what you think of Jim Butcher, Toni Weisskopf, et al.

That tells me everything about your kind. Though I already knew it from your condescending, disingenuous way of writing.

George Kirby
Guest

You who? I am a big fan of the Butcher. More of Butcher that the run of the meal SFF. The Aeronaut’s Windlass is kind of lame though. Steam punk , meh. I don’t care one way or the other about editors.

Chris L
Guest

Was the League of the Wooden Asterisk also just something they do on a regular basis?

George Kirby
Guest

@Chris – I liked the asterisk joke and raising money for a good cause was nice but I don’t think it will happen again. It’s been done. I am sure something will happen again though.

I keep hearing the pups might have their own award. If you notice asterisk models look a lot like the the Walmart symbol. If pups could adopt it for their award, I see a potential funding source.

The Phantom
Guest
“Larry I think they are dealing with you. You started a slate tactic and there are two proposals (EPH and 6/4) at the business meeting to deal with slate tactics.” What you mean is there are two proposals pending, designed to obfuscate the voting process and keep Wrongfans out. Textbook Lefty tactic. If the voters won’t do as they’re told, jimmy the process until you win no matter what they do. Voters are stupid, you can’t depend on them to handle freedom unless you keep your boot on their necks. Personally, I applaud this initial attempt at exclusion. The Hugos… Read more »
boballab
Guest

What is going to be fun is the day you wake up and see PNH being led away in cuffs for burning down the building the TOR offices are in while frothing at the mouth and yelling “Vox Day, we did this to stop Vox DAAAAAYYYYY!”

Wyldkat
Guest

” You started a slate tactic”

**cough** Locus. The Bay Area SF Association. **cough**

Both have been putting out Lists – what you are calling slates – for Years.

Why is it okay for them but wrong for SP?

Wat Tyler
Guest

Years? Decades.

Randy P.
Guest

They won’t answer. Just like they’ve been ignoring the Moira Greyland nominees in Related Works.

Doctor Locketopus
Guest
” You started a slate tactic and there are two proposals (EPH and 6/4) at the business meeting to deal with slate tactics. I expect both will pass.” And I expect the sequelae of adopting those rules won’t be quite what your Super Genius Brain Trust imagines that they’re going to be. The more complicated the rule set, the more opportunities for gaming arise. Yes, I know that they’ve run “simulations” based on past voting behavior. The problem is that there is absolutely no justification for assuming that past voting behavior is at all indicative or representative of future voting… Read more »
Respect Orcs Now
Guest

If there are rules, they can be gamed. If they think this will stop the Supreme Dark Lord… well, we’ll see.

Tim McDonald
Guest

LOL. Vox is doing his testing of the rules this year. Look at his nominations. The testing of the proposals and their effect on the nominations is being done this year….by VOX! When they run the numbers and see what the proposed rules would have resulted in this year….there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth!

Richard McEnroe
Guest

Scalzi/TOR have been pushing slates for ywars . ‘Fuck your Larry Started This.’

JetLagg
Guest

Just browsing twitter I’m seeing a shitload of resentment over what happened in 2015 and people vowing to throw in with the Rapid Puppies just to watch the whole thing burn down. The Ron Paul meme would be appropriate about now.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

It’s interesting how the Puppy-kicker narrative keeps shifting. Last I checked at File 770, they were tending away from the idea that the Campbell Awards were Larry’s supervillain motivation and are now claiming that Larry made up the quote from that guy who said he would “end literature forever”.

Funny how people who combed through his blog looking for dirt couldn’t be bothered to do some simple detective work to track down one quote.

Patrick Chester
Guest

Well, why let things like proof get in the way of Teh Narrative!1!!! ?

Though it’s nice to see Xenu/Kirby is sooooo concerned enough to give advice.

Julaire
Guest

Christopher, out of curiosity (and since I don’t feel like going over and looking myself), has Glyer given any excuse for not turning down the nomination File 770 got while being on the puppy ballots? I would expect someone over at his board to be reading him the riot act for not turning down a ‘tainted’ nomination.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Sadly, I don’t feel like going over there either.

And I suspect that Glyer wouldn’t let anything get between himself and a Hugo nomination.

James May
Guest

Glyer has as much free agency as a goldfish, and he helped trap himself in that goldfish bowl by supporting feminists. Now he’s trapped and there’s no way forward except deeper into the backward-curving teeth of the Dworkin anaconda.

The Phantom
Guest

I asked Glyer if he was turning down the nom due to Rabid Puppy involvement. Much ragey rage ensued from the clique. They get ornery when you present them with a problem requiring thinking.

Doctor Locketopus
Guest

Right after so-white-she-she’s-damned-near-transparent Ann Leckie gives up hers to a “person of color”.

Respect Orcs Now
Guest

The Supreme Dark Lord assured us it wasn’t a poison pill. As it turns out they refused to swallow. Last year it was about not accepting nominations from the wrong sorts of fans… now it’s about standing your ground. They’ve figured out that we can just nominate the worse SJWs and they’ll freak out and run away,

matthew
Guest

I thought it was Ringo who was supposed to be destroying SF?

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

They’ve both been accused of that, at different times.

Camestros Felapton
Guest

“couldn’t be bothered to do some simple detective work to track down one quote”
Heck, even Larry seems to be stuck tracking down that quote. I think everybody will look forward to you telling us all the source, Chris.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Yeah, I’ll get right on that.
/sarc

James May
Guest
“But then I look and I think how thirty years ago I didn’t know what transgender meant. How three years ago I didn’t know what genderqueer was, and now it’s in the dictionary.” – Chuck Wendig writing about the Hugo dustup. That’s what this moron considers wonderful glorious progress or the ascent of man or something. Is it any wonder he lobbied Disney for permission to include lesbians in his novel tie-in? It’s all about genre with these mentally crippled freaks. If you’re that bored with your own genre why not take up stamp collecting? Why use SFF for your freakish… Read more »
Patrick
Guest

I haven’t read all of it, but what I’ve read of his Star Wars book is awful. I don’t care if you have lesbian bounty hunters, genderqueer stormtroopers, or trans-racial asexual protocol droids, as long as the writing is good. But dammit, don’t get up on your fucking high horse about being inclusive, and then give us that shit. You’re writing Star Wars books. This isn’t your fucking soapbox. You have one job! Be entertaining. But he can’t even fucking do that.

James May
Guest

I don’t care when John Varley does because he has no agenda – he’s just being an SF writer. I object to mainstreaming supremacist queer theory into venues aimed at children. There is a huge difference between wanting a seat at the table and claiming a “natural” table would have far fewer examples of the oppressive gender binary.

Mark
Guest

I just read volume two of the Patterson Heinlein bio. And I am minded of the tsures RAH had with — and he was at some pains to put it this way — Organized SF Fandom. And I am SO glad to say this — although I have been a reader and lover of science fiction and fantasy literature my entire life (I’m 62 this year), I am SO glad I have never gotten involved in organized fandom, which strikes me mostly as an exercise in the disappointment of expectations.

James May
Guest
We normal humans of SFF and America in general being against diversity is a straight up lie. The 80% black NCAA March Madness basketball playoffs are a billion dollar earner more popular than ever. Can anyone here tell me who won the NCAA hockey championships which is about 100% white? If these feminists weren’t such awful liars, it would be reversed, wouldn’t it? Who are the #1,2 most popular athletes? No, not Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. It’s Lebron James and (still) Michael Jordan. What’s the No. 1 sport in America. The all-white NHL? No. The 2/3 black NFL. This… Read more »
Robin Munn
Guest

If you want to make an SJW squirm, tell them that if they truly believe in diversity, they should be advocating for equal representation of races in basketball. Watch them try to wriggle their rhetorical way out of the logical conclusions of their worldview.

James May
Guest
“John Scalzi @scalzi Want to erect a huge, neon sign that says ‘I’m an enormous asshole’ over your head? Just use the phrase ‘virtue signalling’ as a criticism!” The following is from Strange Horizons’ Diverse Editors List, a must-read of insane virtue-signaling. “Tobias Buckell… a Caribbean born mixed race individual” Buckell constantly reminds us of this because he looks like the King of Prussia. He wants that PoC street cred for the same reason Saladin Ahmed – a half-Irish guy who looks like a leprechaun – constantly reminds us he’s “Arab.” That’s virtue-signaling. They get to claim oppression points they… Read more »
Londonwriter
Guest

I could credibly claim to be genderqueer with a chronic condition (CFS). I’ve got too much dignity to be a sympathy-seeking toolbag… so I don’t.

That’s the problem. This stuff selects for being a religious progressive self-absorbed douchebag, not actually being in a minority group. Not least the genderqueer sh*t. I’m a physicist, I play wargames, I don’t do ‘girly’ stuff. I’m also too busy to give a flying f**k about what gender I identify with today. Life’s too frigging short.

60guilders
Guest

So, wait, did John Scalzi just call Jesus an anal orifice?
Usually they at least try to go the route of “I like Jesus, but not his followers.”

Randy P.
Guest

Proving that SJWs, indeed, always lie.

Patrick Chester
Guest

Odd, I’d say engaging in virtue signaling was one way to become an ‘enormous asshole’ and make it rather obvious.

Since virtue signaling is about the signal, not virtue.

Saber Alter
Guest

Scalzi’s just buttdevastated that he’s so transparent than anyone outside his circlejerk can see what he’s doing. Rather than be so predictable, he just wishes everyone would politely pretend that we don’t know what he’s up to.

Chris L
Guest

What Scalzi means is that if you use a phrase that accurately describes what he is doing, he feels free to ignore you.

Randy P.
Guest

Want to erect a huge, neon sign that says ‘I’m an enormous asshole’ over your head? Just call someone an asshole instead of explaining why they’re wrong!

High school never ends for these people.

Joe in PNG
Guest

More like Jr. High

jic
Guest

“Saladin Ahmed – a half-Irish guy who looks like a leprechaun”

He looks like hipster King Charles II.

Respect Orcs Now
Guest

Double standards are the only reason Scalzi has any standards. Remember his McRapey satire piece and then his moralizing on Roosh V’s satire?

Linoge
Guest
Last year, the SJWs made it abundantly clear that the only worth the Hugo “Awards” had was as a circle-jerk recognition of goodthinking bellyfeelers. I.e. nothing at all. And damned if, this year, people did not take that devaluation of the Hugos seriously. In this specific case, SJWs have no one to blame but themselves, which, of course, means that they are lashing out against anyone and anything they can think of. Let the Hugos burn. It was going to happen eventually, given the majority of folks emotionally invested in them value diversity checkboxes more than they value funny little… Read more »
George Kirby
Guest

I never would have watched if the Kerfuffle had not brought it to my attention. But last year I did watch the Hugo Award Ceremony and must say I was impressed. It is just a celebration by Wordlcon SFF fans but it was well done and entertaining. The whole “No Award” thing really added a touch of drama. I will give it a go again this year.

Linoge
Guest

If you were “impressed’ by No Award winning out over actual, worthy nominees – Toni Weisskopf and Mike Resnick, for example – much less the threat of asshol… er… I mean “asterisks” being appended to “unworthy” winners’ awards, well, that tells me everything I need to know about your character, or lack thereof.

Enjoy being a nail in the Hugos’ coffin. You earned it.

James May
Guest

I am less impressed with a naive crowd of morons unwittingly championing a glorious future of institutional racism, brother-sister sex and child fucking, but I take your point. Please continue to go to the wall defending that. Posterity will look back on the Hugos with horror, and I wouldn’t be surprised if 10 years from now, Ann Leckie burns her own trilogy. She’ll be the only one to remember such mediocre art, but I’m just sayin… Keep those “white tears” coffee mugs. They’ll be a collectors item, like racist postcards from the ’30s.

Jill
Guest
You think the Worldcon event was “well done and entertaining”? Hmmm, I wonder if we saw the same event. I was watching the livestream and saw people cheering when “No Award” was announced – knowing full well that flesh and blood people were sitting there listening to their work derided as being unworthy of beating “No Award”. This was being done even though many people on both sides of the issue admitted there were worthy candidates. Toni Weisskopf for example, was listed below “No Award” and so was Jim Butcher. Then I saw the master of ceremonies criticize audience members… Read more »
Randy P.
Guest

Glad you enjoyed it! Because you’re never getting the award back.

🙂

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

And, inevitably:

“Phil Sandifer ‏@PhilSandifer · 15h15 hours ago

Fucking hilarious to see Larry Correia blame “CHORFs” for the Rabid Puppies when he’s the idiot who thought allying with Vox Day was wise.”

“Allying”. But then, these are the same dolts who think Brad secretly coordinated with Vox. FYI: He didn’t, and I’m in a position to know.

James May
Guest
“I’m hard pressed to imagine thorough coverage of gender studies that doesn’t deal with Kristeva and Irigaray. Phil Sandifer (talk) 21:35, 29 August 2008 (UTC)” “Phil Sandifer @PhilSandifer I stand with @srhbutts. Without a single reservation…” Only someone with a deep understanding of French Queer Theory would have the confidence to make the first remark. The second refers to a self-admitted pedophile who goes by the handle of Sarah Butts who supposedly looks but doesn’t touch. Milo at Breitbart did an expose of the transgender Butts. Anyone who’s read Judith Butler’s writings on French Queer Theory will come to understand… Read more »
Wat Tyler
Guest

“PedoPhil” is just mad that he didn’t make Best Related Work for his defenses of pedophiles in SF.

Chris Gerrib
Guest

Shorter Larry: “If you people had just given me my Hugo none of this would have happened.”

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

Man, we can’t even get any cool trolls, just 770 leftovers like Gerrib.

Nathan
Guest

Notice they come here instead of facing Vox Day.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

Yup. Wish they’d complain about Vox to his face instead of bothering us.

Chris Gerrib
Guest

Alas I’ve been banned at VD’s.

Linoge
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When even a professional troll like Vox tires of your presence, you know you’ve hit rock bottom.

Bravo.

James May
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Stop pretending. You came here to count coup and then ran back to 770 to tell of your daring dash. For this escapade, maybe the manly arms of Laura Resnick will console you during a romantic tryst at Dairy Queen for klonopin smoothies. [Warning: Call your doctor at once if you have a serious side effect while taking Klonopin such as: hairballs, no balls, confusion, hallucinations, unusual thoughts; unusual risk-taking behavior, no fear of danger; unusual groping movements; difficulty drinking urine, pale skin, daffiness, problems with thinking, slurred speech, drooling, sore gums; constipation; stupid thoughts, privilege, anal discharge, cat killing,… Read more »
Linoge
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Right. Because Larry didn’t refuse a nomination.

Oh.

Wait.

He did.

Dumbass.

James May
Guest

There’s a new Cisgendered White Scum Destroy SFF anthology on Kickstarter. Do you have any stories about dinosaurs with a really large anus, like maybe a brontosaurus? Better if it’s gay. I think they all were; that’s why they died out via butt invasions. Too much love in all the wrong places. So sad. I hope the next time scientists find a missing link they name it after Rachel Swirsky. Or a killer asteroid; same difference.

I’d like to name a species of prehistoric non-gendered rat after Paul Weimer. How about Klutzrat 770? Or a killer asteroid; same difference.

Randy P.
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Better get Chuck Tingle on the horn.

jic
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Phrasing!

Shawna
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Someone should do a Kickstarter for an anthology where it’s a bunch of non-white-straight-male authors writing kickass sci-fi/fantasy about straight white dudes doing manly straight white things. Like, the exact sort of stories these people are so afraid of, written by authors who, strictly by demographics, “should” be on their side. Maybe it could be called, like, “Race Traitors and Internalized Misogynists Destroy SFF”. Something like that.

Chris L
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No Chris, he’s saying that if the kickers had treated the (sad) puppies like actual human beings and not one dimensional villains from a Saturday morning cartoon, they would not have gotten the reaction they got. There are enough puppies who aren’t Vox fans and don’t want to burn it all down, that having them on your side would be a plus. The League of the Wooden Asterisk made that impossible.

Patrick Chester
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Why is it when you imbeciles begin a posting with “Shorter” it’s usually followed by an outright lie. Often a clumsy and hopelessly inept lie?

Do you enjoy being an imbecile, or did you just never stop sniffing glue?

Saber Alter
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You should know that your tears taste great. Please, continue to be salty.

Randy P.
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Why would Larry want a Hugo? They nominated Space Raptor Butt Invasion. Not a very classy award, IMO…

The Phantom
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Score!

Respect Orcs Now
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And THAT is the point. a) SRBI is a Hugo Nominee, b) Vox has the mainstream media writing about SRBI.

WIN-WIN.

George Phillies
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For those of you who are tired of the Hugo awards, there is an alternative: National Fantasy Fan Federation (Founded 1941) 2016 Neffy Award Cycle In 1949 we gave our first Neffy, to Ray Bradbury. In 2015, we gave a Neffy to Toni Weisskopf as “Best Editor”. For 2016 the award categories are listed below. “Paper” publication is a book from a traditional publishing house. “Electronic” publishing is modern self-publishing via SmashWords, Amazon Kindle, etc. but includes “Print on Demand”, e.g., Third Millennium. The length divisions for written works are based on the published recommendations of Eric Flint on his… Read more »
BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool

John Wright’s Somewither for novel. Naruto for comic series.

Nathan
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If the rumors the Jemisin might withdraw her Hugo nomination are true, I only hope it’s replaced by Somewither. Not only does it deserve it, but the salt would be epic…

analogkid
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Which rumors? I can’t see why she would.

Unlikely as it is, I’d be hoping for The Dark Forest.

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[…] Must be read to be believed. The International Lord of Hate had rather less to say, but as usual, he’s right. I’m not even going to speculate on how it’s going to turn out; I have better things to […]

Brian Niemeier
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“That’s how you end up with Space Raptor Butt Invasion. Have fun with that. ”

Still, it’s good to see X-List authors get some recognition.

…That doesn’t lead to a foot chase involving theme park security guards.

James May
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Here’s more of the amazing mind-reading powers of arch lesbian feminist Chuck Wendig about why straight white men oppose SFF’s jackass feminists: “I like to believe that these are the fear-bleats of a species who has seen that it is going extinct. Like yellow-jackets sensing the end of summer, they’re more vicious knowing soon they’ll be frozen out by the first frost of a changing season.” Yes, I am vicious. I fear Wendig’s pleas to Disney for moar lesbians. Let’s just forget no one ever says that but self-appointed fucks like Wendig and his crew of social justice gender perverts.… Read more »
LastRedoubt
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““I like to believe that these are the fear-bleats of a species who has seen that it is going extinct. Like yellow-jackets sensing the end of summer, they’re more vicious knowing soon they’ll be frozen out by the first frost of a changing season.””

He projects. That’s rabbit-thought – and he’s unable to understand the predators.

If he owns any, I feel sorry for any dogs he owns.

Joe in PNG
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Wendig is using the classic technique of inserting SJW agenda items to cover for truly awful writing. This way he can deflect honest criticism of just how stupid, awful, rotten, terrible, no-good disappointment of a Star Wars novel by sniffing “well, you’re just a racist/sexist/hater”.

Robin Munn
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Joe in PNG – EXACTLY right. When Wendig first started complaining about his Star Wars book being panned by “homophobic” reviewers, I went to look at the Amazon reviews. The 1-star reviews almost ALL mentioned the terrible writing quality (“wibbles and wobbles”, “herkily-jerkily”). And at the time I checked, precisely THREE of them mentioned the gay characters; one as a minor positive (something like “points for diversity in the characters, but the writing sucks), and one as a minor negative (“did that HAVE to be shoehorned in?”). Whereas more than HALF of the 5-star reviews mentioned the “sexist, homophobic” 1-star… Read more »
James May
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And let me explain why these feminists go apeshit over and mock the old days when SFF was top heavy with male writers but don’t even care in the least way about romance fiction being dominated by women: the KKK doesn’t like black neighborhoods and has no problem with white neighborhoods. That’s why we fail when we try and convince these feminists by using simple principled comparisons of fair play. You are dealing with supremacists.

James May
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Stupid rat feminist on the all-male “young adult book” Locus nominations: “Renay, The Cabal @renay Trying PICKING UP some SFF YA written by the women who built the category instead of giving accolades to those benefitting from their work. Surprise, welcome to Systemic Sexism, Locus Awards edition!!” “Misogynist” quote you never see about the all-female Locus “fantasy novel” nominations: Try PICKING UP some fantasy written by the men who built the category instead of giving accolades to those benefitting from their work. That’s how supremacist doctrines work. The good neighborhoods never need diversity, only the bad. You will never see… Read more »
BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool

That’s not mindreading, it is merely a statement of biological fact. Straight white men have extremely elevated rates of congenital omnimiscy, the inherent hatred of everything.

Congenital omnimiscy is a debilitating disability, which is made more so by a wide ranging conspiracy to oppress and discriminate against those who have it.

No reasonable accommodation, no peas!

Respect Orcs Now
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The only way to save the HUGOS from the “wrong type” of fans is to remove fan voting. If there are rules they can be gamed. This, I believe is Vox’s end goal. Force their hand to either remove the fans completely, open it up to everyone without a fee or have a clique hand out candy from on high. Or burnt it to the ground. All are equally amusing to a pissed off outsider. Space Raptor Butt Invasion is the beginning of irrelevancy… and now ‘mainstream’ media are publishing articles about Space Raptor Butt Invasion. For the LOLZ indeed.… Read more »
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[…] And then Larry Correia, the man who got all this started, had this to say: […]

James May
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http://www.umass.edu/wost/people.htm That pretty much sums up the Twitter feeds of our marginalized darlings who are shoehorned into Hugo noms when puppies aren’t around to guard the gate. It’s typical of Jemisin’s rhetoric, Aliette de Bodard, the “Destroy…” series of anthologies at Lightspeed, Daniel Jose Older, Uncanny, WisCon, Strange Horizons and its round-robins, Rose Lemberg’s daffy nuttery, Kate Elliott, Justine Larbalestier, Alyssa Wong, Scalzi, Hines, the entire crowd of feminist shitheels who’ve wrecked our hobby with their dumbfuck Lumberjanes and Bitch Planet books. It’s not conservatives who oppose this mentally ill shit but normal well-adjusted human beings. There’s your so-called “equal… Read more »
James May
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And don’t forget to visit #TrigglyPuff to see the result. Trust me, it’s swinetastic.

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[…] Since my medium length and clearly worded article was apparently too long and insufficiently clear (what do I know, I guess), I’ll let Larry Correia take it away: […]

Stephen M. St. Onge
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Most of the puppy kickers seem to be going with “This year, it’s a better slate, so we won’t ‘No Award’ everything on principle, proving how open-minded we are.”

In other words, they realized how bad they looked after last time, and wised up a little.

James May
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VD is inside their head to the point they don’t know whether they’re coming or going. Their dedication to an anti-white cult of lesbianism which can only be termed as bizarre is coming under increasing scrutiny. People are realizing such organizations as the SFWA, far from being about social justice, could arguably fit the Southern Poverty Law Center’s definition of a hate group. Tor’s editor’s have shown they are ideologically corrupted hacks who probably have a greater talent for alienating their customers than providing a era of talent and excitement. When your most valued stable of new talent can’t shut… Read more »
F Harper
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I first encountered Mary Robinette Kowal from the Writing Excuses Podcast, the same podcast that introduced me to Larry Correia (which I found by way of Sanderson by way of Robert Jordan). I must say, she gets crazier every time I read her. For example: England used to be a colony of the Roman Empire. There’s Latin on our money. Greco-Roman inspired architecture is still highly valued. Roman numerals are still taught in school. The classics. And you don’t notice any of it because it is such an ingrained part of society now. That’s the lingering touch of colonialism. That’s… Read more »
Cameron
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I feel bad for the Sad Puppies because of all the effort they’re putting into a hopeless adventure. The Hugo as an award cannot be saved. I take it as a given to which I’ve yet to see an exception that once an organization goes Left (and the Hugo’s caretakers should be considered an organization here) , it stays there. The dial doesn’t move back the other direction, ever. Correction even back to a place of nominal neutrality is impossible – the ideology of those involved make it that way. The Hugo as an award will, for the rest of… Read more »
James May
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I don’t disagree with that but you’re talking about tactics on how to treat a hate group as opposed to whether a hate group is a hate group. Let’s be honest about what the Hugo’s have been recently selling: the idea ethnic Europeans, men and heterosexuals are guilty of global crimes both historic and contemporary for which a reckoning is due. It is their precious crusade and also the main driver behind the SFWA, Uncanny, Lightspeed and Strange Horizons. As a result a counter-cultural movement has appeared. Counter-cultures by their nature tend to push back in kind, weaponize the moronic… Read more »
James May
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From VD’s blog: “It’s not about the voting. It’s allowing members of a hate group (and the Rabid Puppies qualify as such under the SPLC, ADL, and FBI definitions) to opperate within the awards. We are implicitly accepting their presence by not acting to remove them.” – Christopher J. Garcia in a Facebook conversation with Kevin Standlee “I don’t dispute that there is a de facto hate group acting here.” – Kevin Standlee Oops! That’s the biggest possible mistake this group of feminist misfits could possibly have made. For going on years now I have asked them to adopt such… Read more »
Bibliotheca Servare
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That’s…that’s beautiful. Impale them upon their own stakes! (Hoist by their own petard is more traditional, but less viscerally impactful…no pun intended.) May they be revealed for the monsters they truly are.

James May
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It’s a stunning admission: a human rights-based social justice movement publicly admits they only have an interest in human rights when it benefits them. We’ve always known that, but we’ve never been able to get them to mention an actual neutral standard. Now they’re screwed.

“All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics.” – Southern Poverty Law Center.

Yes, straight white males are “people” and our social justice clods in SFF easily meet the SPLC’s standards of a hate group.

James May
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You’ll notice no one’s pranking the Tiptree Awards. That’s because it’s not a bait-and-switch. Given the Hugo replacement nominees today (“Hugo Ballot Finalist Announcement, or More Ladies and Queers on Your Ballot” – Lady Business), WorldCon doesn’t need to change the rules to end the pranking. They just need to change the name from Hugo Award to Intersectional Lesbian Feminist Award, because that’s all it is. If you look at the 2013 and 2014 award nominees (minus the impact of the Puppies in 2014) the overwhelming majority of nominees are in some way connected with that miserable cult. Take away… Read more »
George Kirby
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Larry Said:

“That’s how you end up with Space Raptor Butt Invasion. Have fun with that.”

Or is this the way you end up with Space Raptor Butt Invasion… and have fun with that….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1H-TaBUshQ

60guilders
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You are a sad, sad man.

George Kirby
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Hi Mr. 60guilders:

You can read more at http://www.therabidpuppies.com

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