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Fisking the Guardian’s Latest Sad Puppy Article of the Week

I wasn’t going to bother fisking the latest Article of the Week about the evils of the Sad Puppies campaign, but I figured what the hell, it’s Friday.

And when I say Article of the Week, I’m not really exaggerating. Apparently the Guardian is all worked up about Sad Puppies. A cursory Google search shows this is what the Guardian has run recently, and let me save you some time, it appears all of them run with the same racist/sexist/homophobic angry white cismale backlash narrative that’s been easily debunked since Entertainment Weekly beclowned themselves on day one.

April 6th, Are the Hugo nominees really the best sci-fi books of the year?

April 9th, George RR Martin says rightwing lobby has broken Hugo awards

April 17th, Hugo award nominees withdraw amid “Puppygate” storm

April 18th, The Hugo awards hijack is nasty and dishonest

July 20th, George RR Martin urges every true fan to rally for Hugo awards vote

July 24th, The Hugo Awards will be losers if politics take the prize.

July 27th, NK Jemisin interview (and how Sad Puppies are racist sexists blah blah blah)

Those are just the recent ones. Three years ago I set out to demonstrate that there was a left wing bias in publishing.  Immediately the Guardian did their best to prove me right. Not once in three years have they spoken to anybody on my side.

And now for today’s stupid article: http://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2015/jul/31/the-puppies-are-taking-science-fictions-hugo-awards-back-in-time

As usual, the original article is in italics and my responses are in bold.

The Puppies are taking science fiction’s Hugo awards back in time

That’s a really dumb title. He’s trying to say we’re dragging it back to the days when democrats were still lynching people, but it actually reads more like we’re saving the Hugos just in the nick of time (now we’re talking!). 

Rightwing infiltrators unhappy at the liberal direction of modern science fiction have gamed the polling for the Hugo awards with a hateful online campaign. If they win, sci-fi loses

Funny. The only hateful online campaign I saw was the libelous smear campaign the Guardian participated in

By Adam Roberts

Never heard of the guy. Most of the Guardian’s weak ass nonsense about us usually comes from the Guardian’s Village Idiot and wannabe fiction writer, Damien Walter. But a bunch of folks sent me screen caps of Adam’s Twitter posts this morning, where he’s calling us Nazis. So you know, the usual level of professional unbiased competence we’ve come to expect from the Guardian.

The clock is ticking for the public vote in this year’s Hugo awards, which celebrate excellence in science fiction. Sixteen categories are up for grabs, from best novel to short fiction, fan writing, art and dramatic presentation, and the deadline is 31 July. But this year the prizes are not just about celebrating science-fiction – it’s political war.

It has been political war for decades. Only this time the opposition actually bothered to show up.

There’s usually a kerfuffle of one kind or another – popular authors habitually campaign for fans to vote them on to the list,

I think it is hilarious how the narrative has changed. Three years ago I said the awards were just a popularity contest with a bunch of campaigning between friends and like-minded cliques, where the author’s politics were more important than the quality of the work, and that was all sorts of outrageous. How dare I question the sanctity of the sainted Hugo process which represents the best of all fandom? How dare I openly campaign to get things nominated? How uncouth! How barbaric! But then GRRM killed that narrative when he said there’d always been campaigning. Whoops. He was also the first VIP on the other side to come out and say that the Hugos were just for one small group of people, and not all fans… Which is kind of what got me started on all this to begin with.

but 2015 has proved the biggest drama the award has ever seen. That’s because two linked online campaign groups, known as the “Sad Puppies” and their more politically extreme running mates, the “Rabid Puppies”, have been campaigning hard to register supporters and bump their preferred titles on to the shortlists.

I’m amazed that this article actually pointed out that they are two separate campaigns with different motivations. Getting something right for once, that’s like an achievement unlocked for the Guardian.  

They have managed it, too: this year’s Hugos are packed with Puppies titles.

And we couldn’t have done it without all of you guys’ self-righteous gloating last time. Thanks. Seriously, Damien Walter was probably one of our best recruiting tools. And with Damien, special emphasis goes on the word tool.  

There’s no avoiding the politically partisan nature of this campaign.

Well yeah, considering that it all started because I wanted to demonstrate that there was political bias in the system, duh… Sadly for you guys, we had real success when Brad took over and pushed a group of politically diverse nominees this year.

Its leading lights range from respectable rightwingers such as US authors Larry Correia

Ha! The Guardian says I’m respectable. It must be crazy upside down day! Normally Damien just fabricates scare quotes to make me sound scared of gay people.

and Brad Torgerson,

Okay, seriously. My last name has double Rs and four vowels and you can manage to spell it correctly, but none of you can spell TorgersEn?

through to those with more outlandish views such as John C Wright 

By “outlandish” you mean John is a devout Catholic who actually believes Catholic doctrine and doesn’t get all mushy and apologetic about it.  

and Vox Day (also known as Theodore Beale).

Who is probably disappointed you only called him outlandish.

It’s the Tea Party of contemporary US sci-fi.

Yes, because if anybody understands American conservative political movements, it is the UK’s socialist rag.

The Puppies are complaining that recent Hugo winners have been too highbrow,

Is highbrow a synonym for boring and preachy?

Curious, I searched my blog for the use of the word “highbrow”. It occurs once, in an unrelated post where a New York Times reporter uses it in an idiotic article pontificating on why Mormons haven’t produced another Shakespeare (hint, nobody has or will, because he’s Shakespeare).

and argue that winners such as Anne Leckie’s smart gender-deconstruction of space opera Ancillary Justice, or John Scalzi’s witty Star-Trek-inspired metafiction Redshirts are too experimental and literary.

The fact that instead of words like good, fun, memorable, inspiring, exciting, or imaginative you need to use terms like “gender-deconstruction” or “metafiction” to describe them might be an indicator that you’re the one out of touch with what people actually like to read.

Sure, I’ve made fun of literary, as in the sense that some books try too damned hard to be GREAT LITERACHOOR. Sad Puppies supporters are more likely to be regular readers than college English Lit guest lecturers, but I don’t know why that’s such a terrifying thing to contemplate for something that is supposed to be a fan based award.  

More importantly, as Sarah Lotz says, they’re also suggesting SF has been hijacked by a conspiracy of “social justice warriors” or “SJWs”, intent on filling the genre with progressive ideological propaganda.

You guys really don’t need to keep putting Social Justice Warriors into quotes. Everybody knows the kind of folks we’re talking about. It’s mainstream. Eli Roth is making a movie where annoying SJWs get eaten by cannibals.

The Puppies’ real beef is that SF, and society as a whole, has become too feminist, too multiracial, too hospitable to gay and trans voices.

I do like how you just boldly state that’s our “real beef” despite the complete lack of evidence. I started this thing to expose left wing political bias. Brad continued it to get deserving authors (regardless of their politics) on there who weren’t part of the cliques. Yet you lazy bastards always go right back to your tired old racist/sexist/homophobic narrative. 

Did you miss the part where your newspaper’s Village Idiot already crowd sourced a witch hunt to find evidence of my supposed hatemongery, and despite being a prolific political blogger for a decade they came up with nothing? Considering how we had no problem nominating people of various races, sexes, and orientations on our slate, if our secret goal is trying to keep sci-fi white and male, we must really suck at it.

Anti-SJW rhetoric, most of it proceeding from angry straight white men, has flooded online discussions.

I do like how you slip in the “most” there, totally ignoring all of the non-white/straight males who are sick of the shrieking harpies of tolerance too. Anybody with a few functioning brain cells to rub together is sick of the bitter scolds and their perpetual culture war. Whether they’re screaming at a scientist for wearing a sexist shirt, or screaming for another scientist’s job because they erroneously thought he told a sexist joke, or getting people fired for donating to the wrong political campaign, or barking at wrongfans for having wrongfun, everybody is tired of you assholes making every disagreement about sexism/racism/homophobia.

Kind of like you’re doing right here.

It’s been ugly. It’s also proving self-defeating.

Year 1, a couple of nominations. You guys flip out. More fans notice.

Year 2, several nominations. You guys have a total come apart. More fans notice.

Year 3, a sweep of the nominations. You guys run organized slander campaigns while calling every fan who thinks the awards are biased, Nazis.  

Wow, yeah. That’s brilliant. Keep up the good work.

George RR Martin’s intervention, urging people to register and vote in order to defeat the plans of people he call “assholes”, has galvanised the counter-vote.

The more people involved, the better. My side isn’t the one trying to keep out any fans because they have fun wrong. I want as many fans involved as possible, because then a couple tiny little cliques can’t dominate the whole thing. The fact is the Hugo voting pool had gotten so apathetic that twenty votes could swing whole categories. No matter what happens, we’ve changed that dynamic.

We won’t find out the winners until this year’s Worldcon on 17 August, but it looks as though enough people will vote for “none of the above” over the Puppies titles, and syphon support in the direction of the non-Puppies nominees.

Don’t worry, I’m sure however it turns out you will move the goalposts so you can gloat about it and declare total victory, sort of like you guys did the last couple of years. That’s been working great for us.

What the Puppies have done is within the rules of the awards, and key figures in the movement have already declared their intention to repeat the process next year.

Yep. Kate Paulk is running it next year. I wasn’t even supposed to be involved this year until Brad dragged me back in. Arguing with an internet full of morons for months cuts into my paying writing time.

But this is larger than one set of awards. It is about the direction of science-fiction as a whole, and it poses larger cultural questions.

Note how pretentious the Guardian is about all of this. In the next few paragraphs they are going to go out of their way to demonstrate how they’ll never be content until their snooty, preachy, bossy nonsense drives off everyone who just wants to read books for the sake of reading.  You can’t read for fun, you must read for SOCIAL JUSTICE. And then publishers are bewildered as fans buy fewer books and our genre shrinks, as those same consumers spend record billions on sci-fi movies and videogames. 

The truth is that this year’s Hugo awards are wrecked.

The Guardian hasn’t been this upset since Hugo Chavez died.

Can you imagine anyone saying that of the Pulitzer, Man Booker, or Nobel?

Imagine? You mean like if they gave the Nobel Peace Prize to Al Gore for “weather”, Jimmy Carter for “Jews are mean”, Barack Obama for “getting elected”, and Yassir Arafat for “not killing anyone lately”?  Yeah, I can’t possibly imagine how various prestigious awards could start to suck when they become dominated by politics. 

Yet here we are, and if the Puppies succeed in gaming the awards again in 2016 we may as well give up on the Hugos forever.

By “gaming” I assume you mean by fans buying memberships and voting? Getting people to vote in a popularity contest… What a dastardly plot!

Now personally, when I think of “gaming the awards” I think of things like elaborate schemes to tweak the rules to keep the wrongfans out, like the various complicated systems proposed by you guys over the last few months, but those totally doesn’t count.

This is what is so frustrating about the Puppies’ campaign. Not that it has resulted in a bunch of frankly inferior works being shortlisted – although it has.

Sure, that Jim Butcher guy may be one of the most popular and successful authors on the planet, but he doesn’t write proper progressive post-colonial metafiction! However, considering you guys seem to think Damien Walter is employable as a writer, I’ll just have to take your opinion with a grain of salt.

And not that it values old-fashioned SF over more experimental, literary and progressive writing –

But what about fun? Memorable? Exciting? Thought provoking? Enjoyable? Adventurous? Compelling?

Nope. Experimental. Literary. PROGRESSIVE.

And still, the Guardian and the CHORFs can’t figure out what actually motivates the Sad Puppies supporters.  

that’s a matter of taste.

Fiction is a matter of taste. Unless you disagree with the approved taste, because then it can only be because you are a racist, sexist, hatemonger neo-nazi who doesn’t want women and minorities in publishing. 

What is so annoying is that it so ostentatiously turns its back on the global context out of which the best writing is happening today.

Huh? That kind of word salad nonsense may have gotten you an A on your Gender Studies thesis, but you’re writing for an (alleged) newspaper now. Tighten that shit up, dude.

As Damien Walter argues,

There’s our favorite reporter! You know it is going to get really stupid when they’re going to the Guardian’s Village Idiot for quotes.

science fiction is currently in a golden age,

Except for that part where mainstream publishing’s sales are tanking.

“fuelled in large part by the genre’s growing diversity – to be a truly global art, it must be made by a globally diverse roster of creators”.

Just not diversity of thought, because that’s bad. Last year’s winners were like a dozen white liberals and one Asian liberal and they hailed that as a huge win for diversity. I saw a thing somewhere, can’t remember the link but somebody went through the last 20 years of the Hugo awards and of the 266 winners, 19 went to conservatives. I don’t know if those numbers are accurate, but that’s probably close.

Now the Guardian will just say that’s because conservatives are just stupid poopy heads who don’t write proper literary experimental progressive metafiction or whatever pseudo-intellectual wanker terms they’re calling it today, but half of America is like, well no wonder that award winning stuff seemed so obnoxious.

So the Guardian’s snob clique would have us believe that a fan popularity award, that’s supposed to be decided by fans, and voted on by fans, is ruined if fans vote for what fans actually purchase, enjoy, and read… And that instead the award needs to keep going to edgy progressive socially conscious LITRACHEWER that ranks somewhere in the top five million and has two and a half stars on Amazon.

Opening the genre to writers from outside the US and UK, making welcome a greater diversity of voices, has broadened and strengthened science fiction.

Except that the Hugo is an ENGLISH LANGUAGE AWARD, you pretentious dolt. The ENGLISH TRANSLATION of the Chinese novel Three Body Problem is up for best novel right now. (It ended up 3rd on my personal ballot. I believe the Villainous Vox Whom the Guardian Hates Above All put it 1st on his).

The Guardian should be careful what they wish for though. I’ve been up for best novel in France. 😀

Conversely, narrowing that pool of talent would only weaken it.

But the Guardian thinks narrowing the WorldCon voting pool is super awesome.

Compare the Man Booker prize, the longlist of which has just been announced. For its first decade, the Booker (as it then was) threw up some pretty insular, white, middle-class dominated shortlists.

Why is it that the only people who care about an author’s race are the ones who keep accusing everybody else of being motivated by race?

Then, following the win for Salman Rushdie’s Midnight’s Children in 1981, the prize opened up: through the 1980s and 1990s and into the present century it regularly rewarded post-colonial writing and other international experiences, and the slates of shortlisted titles were richer and more enduring as a result.

So enduring that most people have never heard of any of them. Oh, wait. Skimming the list, there’s the one they made into that movie with the tiger.

The prize woke up to the reality of global literature. The Hugos are decades behind in that regard, and the Puppies want to drag it back further.

Nope. We don’t care if the book was written in China, India, or on the moon. We care if it is good or not. 

Considering that the Hugo awards hadn’t even ever nominated a single work of media tie in fiction until Sad Puppies came along, I don’t know where the hell you’re getting this idea that the insular little inbred cliques were combing the whole world for worthy new talent before. Hell, I believe the first ever INDY PUBLISHED novel nomination came from Sad Puppies, and you expect that little cliquish circle jerk of friends who’ve been taking turns giving each other awards, to suddenly teach themselves Spanish in order to check out the best sci-fi from Uruguay? 

This whole train of thought is just a stupid diversion. The Guardian is just being its normal snooty self. Look at us, we read MOAR GLOBALLY (no, actually, they probably don’t. From inaccuracies in previous articles about various classics we’re already pretty sure Damien skates by reading Wikipedia synopsis of books and then pretending to be well read). 

Science fiction, if it is about anything, is about hospitality to otherness,

Just not conservatives or libertarians, because screw those guys.

 to the alien and the unusual, about freeing one’s mind and boldly going where no one has been before. It is, centrally, about diversity. Locking out women writers, writers of colour, gay and trans writers does a violence to the heart of the genre.

That concluding paragraph is just regurgitated tripe.  We’re not the ones trying to lock out anyone. Female, “writers of colour” (oh how I hate that stupid racist term), gay, trans, left handed ginger pygmy wolf-riding garden squirrels, WE DON’T CARE. Write books. Entertain people. Fans get to judge books by the content of their pages rather than the author’s bio. Then give the really good ones awards.

This isn’t exactly rocket science, not that you jackasses didn’t literally try to make actual fucking rocket science all about sexism too.

If the Puppies win, nobody wins.

No. The Puppies would win. That’s sort of what the word win means, dumbass. 🙂

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Sad Puppies maligned in the Guardian and New Yorker. It must be the voting deadline week!
Brad R. Torgersen
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YAY! At last! The cognoscenti are letting me be respectable! (chortle)

Aacid
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Don’t worry. We will not hold that slur (coming from where Damien is good) against you. You will be back to evil when they are not comparing you to Vox and that evil Papist. /sarc

Keith Glass
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. . . but not respectable enough to have your name spelled correctly. . .

SteveW
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No, Brad TorgersOn is respectable. You’re still a meany! 🙂

Brad R. Torgersen
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Brad TorgersOn is my straw-man stunt double. He’s had the stuffing (literally) beaten out of him this season. (laughter)

Brad R. Torgersen
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Brad TorgersOn makes progressives have epileptic seizures, every time he unzips his pants to use the bathroom. Brad TorgersOn once got into a punching argument with a garbage truck, and the garbage truck lost. Brad TorgersOn likes to hang out down by the homeless shelter and steel grocery carts from the lame and infirm. Brad TorgersOn gave a room full of people cancer, merely by thinking about taking up smoking. Brad TorgersOn once walked by a dormitory full of womens studies majors, and the next day they all suddenly wanted to get boyfriends, marry, and have children. Brad TorgersOn was… Read more »
Brian Niemeier
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Wherever he goes, Brad TorgersOn is heralded by a chorus of howling dogs and wailing crones.

Brad TorgersOn has stopped sleeping entirely so he can spend his nights researching ways to turn himself into a peanut and poison Snickers bars.

Brad TorgersOn is prophesied to devour TNH at Ragnarok. But will he have destroyed her…or *become* her?

I may hate Brad TorgersOn, but I respect him!

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

Well, his surname means “Son of Thor’s Spear”, after all . . .

Joe in PNG
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-If you say “Brad TorgersOn” out loud, horses will whinny.

Rick Ewald
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Every night Chuck Norris checks under his bed for Brad TorgersOn

Kevin P.
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Well, damn. We need to set up a fund to send Brad TorgersOn on a walking tour by every women’s dorm in North America.

Oh, and I’m pretty sure the elephant he beat to death was actual an SJW with a Womens Studies degree.

Reality Observer
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Just places like Hillsdale.

Do we really want the ones from Columbia reproducing if we can help it?

Simon Jester
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So was the hippo.

CptNerd
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Your name could become a verb for perseverance: Brad torgers on and on and on…

Grayson
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Chuck Norris takes a look at Brad TorgersOn’s accomplishments and says, “Dude! Can I buy you a cold beer?”

(O.K., I couldn’t resist temptation. Just hope I haven’t started a meme….)

CombtMissionary
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I heard that TorgersOn was actually the offspring of a terminator and the female Thor, and he was sent back in time as a subversive plot to eliminate those who would promote true social equality in preparation for the rise of an anti-messiah, personified by a cybernetic Dick Cheney.

Matt
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Hail Emperor TogersOn!

Nom
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Question: why are the lame and infirm leaving their steel grocery carts near the homeless shelter? And what happens to their plastic ones?

(Unless the steel grocery carts belong to a homeless smelter? 😉 )

Reality Observer
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I keep trying to combine “Torg” (Sluggy Freelance) and “Ersin” (an ancestral family name).

Consider this an apology in advance…

Richard Taylor
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You also Brad. Great job.

Brad R. Torgersen
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At your service, sir. (bows)

Jonathan
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Don’t let it go to your head. You are still a meanie.

DonM
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Don’t worry. Respectable people can sometimes write well too.

swiftfoxmark2
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Eli Roth already made the SJW cannibal movie. It just hasn’t been released in the US yet. He did feature it in a theater overseas I believe two years ago.

Andrew
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Can you tell the difference between the hive minders and the zombies? That’s good film making there…

Jonathan
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SJWs don’t have a problem with cannibals. After all, all cultures are equal.

Farley
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SJW’s thrive on cannibalism.

Zaklog the Great
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@Jonathan, not quite. After all, Christian white men are obviously the worst culture ever. Other than that, yeah, all cultures are evil.

James May
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E. M. Forester already previsioned a stand-in for Scalzi and his daffy wrong-way internet Solomon’s a hundred years ago. The stand-in character was named “Vashti.”

Aacid
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For next year…if you were a newspaper, my love. You could lie with impunity

Kevin P.
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I’d pay to read Larry’s riff on “If You Were a Journalist, My Love”. Then again, I’d pay to read Larry’s shopping list; you know it would have some interesting stuff on it.

Zaklog the Great
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Well, I don’t know about Correia’s shopping list, but if you want to read Wright’s grocery list, it’s available here: http://www.scifiwright.com/2015/04/13896/

Farley
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Ganked from a private forum (with permission):

In 2013 the Guardian was saying “the Hugo science fiction awards are voted on by the public. In an often elitist genre, this has to be a good thing”

But in 2015 it’s “this year’s Hugo awards are wrecked” because the elitists didn’t control the ballot.

Um, yeah. heavy goalposts. The shifting is showing up on seismographs at the National Earthquake Information Center.

TRX
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But the Hugos have NEVER been voted on by “the public.” They’re voted on by a tiny number of fee-paying members of a smallish fan convention.

Rod
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What I get out of this is that the voting numbers are leaking and the Hugo folks are panicking.

Shadowdancer
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More like perhaps the voting sides are leaking. The number of memberships-especially supporting- are openly indicated on the Sasquan website and people who wish to be openly listed are listed there, like myself.

Jared Anjewierden
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I guess my days of not taking the Guardian seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

pseudotsuga
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The Guardian is a serious way to wrap dead fish, clean windows, and start fires.

WyrdBard
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Dryer lint is better for starting fires.

Doctor Locketopus
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Only red salmon, red snapper, and left-sided flatfish, though.

Shadowdancer
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Hey, red snapper is yummy.

ViktorWithAK
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Geesh. You leave out so many other-colored snappers.

Kevin P.
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It’s better for fertilizing a garden, although it sometimes kills the plants. And the insects. I would only use it for starting fires if you like the smell of burning BS.

Satori
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I think the windows would just come out messier.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

Beat me to it, dang it.

Rob Kroese
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As a conservative-leaning libertarian author of popular sci-fi and fantasy, you have no idea how heartening it is to realize the entire world hasn’t gone insane. Keep up the good work, Larry, Brad, et al.

Brad R. Torgersen
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At your service, Rob! (bows again)

Jeff Gauch
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This is why the SJW’s are completely flipping out. For decades they’ve confused the natural human tendency to not embarrass people by calling them out on their stupidity with actual agreement. Now that they’ve gone so far that normal people feel obligated to call them out, they’re wondering why suddenly nobody agrees with them. And they’ve invested so much self-esteem in being a “right-thinking” sort that they view disagreement as a personal attack.

Carbonel
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Heh. You were the answer to a reference question today. Small world.

Robert G. Evans
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“Imagine? You mean like if they gave the Nobel Peace Prize to Al Gore for “weather”, Jimmy Carter for “Jews are mean”, Barack Obama for “getting elected…” In truth, the Nobel Peace prize during those years went to individuals who were vocal in criticism of George W. Bush. Gore got it as a consolation prize for losing to Bush (and suing and loudly complaining about it for years afterward), Jimmeh Cahteh won it for Bush-bashing during the Iraq war, and Barack Obama won it for not being Bush, basically. They were going to award it to the guy who threw… Read more »
Nohbody
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Not all of it was explicitly because of being anti-Bush. Remember Gorbachev getting it in 1990? You know, right before he sent all those tanks rolling over the Baltic states. Maybe his representative at Oslo hitched a ride on a military convoy along the way. 😛

Av willis
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I would argue that it goes back further than that. Consider Teddy Roosevelt’s prize for ending the war in Manchuria. In one fell swoop, he helped engineer a policy that weakened Russia to the point that it destabilized in less than a decade and gave Japan the momentum to become a global power.

Throw in the cases Larry cited and the fact that at one point, they were trying to get the artist formerly known as Bradley Manning nominated for it and I have to wonder if the award has ever been relevant.

Zsuzsa
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The problem with the Nobel Peace Prize is that it’s hard to write off entirely because every now and then they give it to someone who really deserves it. They give it to Yassir Arafat and Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama, and you figure, “Okay, this is actually the Nobel Hating the West Prize.” But then they give it to Liu Xiaobo, and the money and prestige of the prize go to publicizing a cause that’s worthy. And you think, “Huh? How did THAT happen?”

Andrew
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Your argument appears to support Lotto as a better method to award peace prizes.

Jeff Gauch
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Insufficient opportunities for graft. To coin a phrase.

deadcenter
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And we should not forget the Pulitzer being awarded to Walter Duranty for not reporting on the Russian famine that killed more than 5 million Ukrainians.

Zaklog the Great
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Which prize, it should be mentioned, The New York Times has declined to return.

Fossegrimen
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If you are looking for sanity in the peace prize, you have to start by excluding all the years the committee was headed by Jagland. He started out as an old-school communist and is widely known as “the most puzzling politician in Norwegian history”. That’s an euphemism for not entirely sane methinks.

Alan
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If I were to buy a supporting membership TODAY, would I be able to vote in the Hugos?

Nighthawk
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There’s always next year.

Brad R. Torgersen
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The Guardian (GRAUNTIHEAD!) translated: democracy is only awesome as long as its all diverse and stuffs! Because the globals and the things and the peoples and the diversity, and oh, diversying and things because progressive and other bunches of whatever, until ordinary people actually vote, at which point democracy is BAD and we HAVE TO DO SOMETHING but it’s too late because Puppies ruined everything, so we’re going to sit here at our little newspaper of shit, and sulk.

Neil
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Forrrrrrrr what it’s worth,

Yes, democracy is supposed to be representative and diverse. That you fail to see how a voting block representing the will of a few over the many is problematic is your problem, not anybody else’s.

nick
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Only if you believe that the voting bloc is composed of meat robots executing the will of another without any volition of their own. You fail to consider that the bloc members joined and act for REASONS OF THEIR OWN.

Bibliotheca Servare
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This^ I mean it’s like the idiots really have had botched lobotomies! How hard is it to grasp that if people vote a certain way, it isn’t because they are fleshy automatons, but because they actually felt like voting that way. A bunch of people agreeing and voting similarly isn’t “cheating” for facks sake. It’s fracking *democracy* damn it! If the idjits like “SJWnumbers” and “Space Faring Kitten” and “Cat” wanted to get people to vote “their” way, all they had to do was advertise the Hugos *themselves*! Oh, wait…they kinda did! In widely read “news” providers, even. And, the… Read more »
Craig(2)
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One of the things I pointed out on multiple sites, but that was routinely ignored, was that the book bombs for non-novel fiction likely had as distorting an effect on the vote as any consciously lockstep voting efforts did, if not more. The book bombs sold a *lot* of copies of the novellas. http://monsterhunternation.com/2015/02/19/book-bomb-success-behold-the-power-of-sad-puppies/ Anecdotally, a lot of people were likely in the category I was, of people who mostly read novels, so were judging not “are these the best five of the hundred novellas I read this year” but “are these novellas which I have read worthy of the… Read more »
Francis W. Porretto
Guest

Beautifully done, sir! But whether any of this will matter for long depends in part in “keeping up the skeer.” This year’s successes are gratifying, but they must not be our last.

WyrdBard
Guest

Sad Puppies 4 is already in the works. 🙂

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Sad Puppies 4ever?

Jack Aubrey
Guest

May it be a Fantastic 4!

Nighthawk
Guest

Sad Puppies 4 life (NWO signs)

Sublingual
Guest

Adam Roberts is best known in the sci-fi community as “that guy who’s unable to comprehend Greg Egan’s novels.”

http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/INCANDESCENCE/Z/Hatchet.html

Adam
Guest

..and don’t forget (I wish I could) his attempt at showing everyone how SciFi SHOULD be written with his horrible nigh-unreadable (I couldn’t finish it), living in orbital communities, novel that had folks dragging mile long nano-tube hoses through the atmosphere to get oxygen…

Torin3
Guest

that had folks dragging mile long nano-tube hoses through the atmosphere to get oxygen…

Wouldn’t those be called anchors? Because the drag from them will pull them out of orbit.

Adam
Guest

Yep, and that is completely ignoring the incredibly powerful pumps that would be required (but not used) to actually pull a measurable airflow through a nanotube (a molecule or two at a time). But hey, he did have them using two (good air in, bad air out). Fortunately, he checked off enough SJW boxes to win a prestigious literary award…

John Van Stry
Guest

I’m okay with the SJW’s ruining the Hugos, because the Hugo award has become the mark of ‘Don’t buy this book, it SUCKS!’
Which means more people buy my books instead 🙂
Though I do wish I had the advertising budget of some of these places.

Dr. Mauser
Guest

I can’t wait until the day the articles are all about how they need to take back Science Fiction from the Puppies….

Brad R. Torgersen
Guest
Well, that’s the amusing part about watching progressives construct an argument. They forever own the future — it is always theirs, for all time — but the present is endlessly besieged by a clamoring horde of (insert bad people here) so the progressives have to “Fight the Man!” even though they are The Man (they run the media, much of the government, much of the education system, as well as Hollywood) and everybody who doesn’t toe the progressive party line is (by default) a nasty ist filled with ism, because the way progressives prove they are for diversity is by… Read more »
Grayson
Guest

This, Sir.

This is argueably one of the best explanations of the Socialist Justice Weasels, and their attitudes, that I have ever read.
Magnificently well done, sir. Thank you.
P.S. Would it be too great to hope, that you might be able to attend V-Con 40, this October, in Vancouver, B.C.?
The leading Guest-of-Honour is Joe Haldeman this year, and the scheduled Master of Ceremonies is none other than Spider Robinson.
Cheers!

Brad R. Torgersen
Guest

Thanks, Grayson! Alas, I am deployed with the U.S. military right now, enjoying a tour in the sunny Middle East. I won’t be back in the States until next year some time. I did used to live in Seattle, though. Vancouver was a hop, skip, and a jump north of us. Lovely town. Victoria too.

Grayson
Guest

Oh, well. I tried. But thank you nonetheless.
Incidentally, If you are attending a Sci-Fi oriented convention anywhere, I’ll be easy to find – I’m the short guy wearing khaki Nomex coveralls with a little nametape that reads, “Hammer’s Regt.”

Ken Burnside
Guest

While I’m not Brad, I do conventions and give great panels and seminars. My October con this year has a schedule conflict. If you’re at Sasquan, look me up.

Grayson
Guest

Copy all. Thank you.

The Nybbler
Guest

Well of course. The inevitability of the course of history is straight out of Marx. I don’t think Marx would recognize their particular hell, but that part they did get.

Steve Johnson
Guest

Nope. We don’t care if the book was written in China, India, or on the moon.

Although honestly, a book written on the moon would get a second look from me.

Richard McEnroe
Guest

I don’t care how good a book written on the moon is, I’m ordering it just to have the postmark on the envelope!

Shadowdancer
Guest

XD Yeah, can you imagine a Pluto Publishing house?

…There might be a humorous story there…

SirShades
Guest

I think that the CHORFs would move in one to the outermost ‘real’ planet to publish their stuff.

Another Quality Publication from Uranus…

Grayson
Guest

Aaaaaand, once you finish the book, you can use it for lavatory paper…;)
(sorry. I just couldn’t resist that kind of cheap shot.)

Aacid
Guest

Theiranus

Andrew
Guest

Yeh, but people would just say it’s not a real planetary publisher.

Shadowdancer
Guest

*is busy scribbling down ideas*

Reality Observer
Guest

You, too?

Patrick Chester
Guest

…but then others would mention how Ceres Publishing got a promotion out of the whole fracas. 😉

TXRed
Guest

They publish dark fiction. It’s good, but the cost of expedited shipping?!? Yowch.

richard mcenroe
Guest

There was a Uranus-themed imprint but it wasn’t family-friendly, if you know what I mean…

Kevin Findley
Guest

Since Pluto is no longer a planet and therefore a minority, the SJWs would love it.

Henry Smith
Guest

Geez. “Pretentious” hardly scratches the surface to describe this strutting little prig. What a sack of ignorant, foolish, twisted lies. But then, he’s a perfect example of the perfect SJW, and above all…SJW’s ALWAYS LIE. Rabid Puppy here. Thank you for all you do Larry, and thank you for all your great books. I will continue to buy them forever! :–)

Neil
Guest

NK Jemisin is a she, Einstein.

Do “SJW’s” (sic) lie even when they say something you agree with?

jic
Guest

But Adam Roberts, *who wrote the article being fisked*, is a he.

Doug Loss
Guest

Kind of missed the whole point of the Leckie books, didn’t you?

Akatsukami
Guest

If by accident a social justice whore says something that a real person agrees with, he scrapes his tongue out with a fork to ensure that it can never happen again.

Joe in PNG
Guest

Neil, you do know that if you want to call us out on not doing our research, you first need to do your research.

Joshua
Guest

Yes.

Nighthawk
Guest

Thanks for pointing that out, Sherlock.

James May
Guest
I enjoy the idea that SJWs are supposedly “progressives” who think outside the box. Can you think of any less eccentric more conservative preppies in macrame sweaters than Scalzi, Leckie, Cory Doctorow, Hines, Hurley and Kowal? And what kind of a crass fool like Walter goes to India to ensure an internet connection and sits on Twitter all day? That’s like ordering lobster and a side dish of mashed potatoes and throwing away the lobster, or going to Guatemala for the bowling allies. I’d be surprised if this crew of Hell’s Angels literati has a traffic ticket between them or… Read more »
alanstorm
Guest

It’s the Grauniad. What else would you expect?

Bob Cruze Jr.
Guest

Love this quote: “It has been political war for decades. Only this time the opposition actually bothered to show up.”

Celia Hayes
Guest

*applause*
What a masterful display of scorn – I bow to the master.

Jim
Guest

“We won’t find out the winners until this year’s Worldcon on 17 August, but it looks as though enough people will vote for “none of the above” over the Puppies titles, and syphon support in the direction of the non-Puppies nominees.”

So… is he happy that Vox has gotten the SJWs to do his work for him, or is he just stupid?

Andy
Guest

“Science fiction, if it is about anything, is about hospitality to otherness, to the alien and the unusual, about freeing one’s mind and boldly going where no one has been before. It is, centrally, about diversity. ”

I mean, I was always under the impression that it’s fiction based on scientific concepts. One of my college professors wrote a hard sci-fi novel about a miniature black hole traveling back and forth through the Earth’s crust. I’m not sure what that has to do with diversity as a central aspect.

jic
Guest

“One of my college professors wrote a hard sci-fi novel about a miniature black hole traveling back and forth through the Earth’s crust.”

Sounds interesting. Link?

Skip
Guest

I know I’ve read probably half a dozen books with that premise, but the two that come to mind are David Brin’s Earth, and Gregory Benford’s Eater. I believe both have been college professors, and Benford still currently is.

Doctor Locketopus
Guest

Greg Bear’s Forge of God also comes to mind, but I don’t think he was ever a professor.

lonejanitor
Guest

That would be ‘Earth’. The black hole in ‘Eater’ was full-sized, intelligent, and never hit the Earth.

retro_rockets
Guest

I think it might be Artifact by Gregory Benford. It had a microscopic black hole trapped in, well, a Artifact. been a while since I read it but I remember not really liking it that much.

Brad R. Torgersen
Guest

Also apropos, “The Hole Man,” by Larry Niven. From a time when a Hugo award still meant something.

Andy
Guest

Sorry, I should have mentioned the title 🙂

The Krone Experiment: http://www.amazon.com/The-Krone-Experiment-Craig-Wheeler-ebook/dp/B008Y6L3VW

jic
Guest

Thanks. The suggestions from people trying to guess what book you meant look interesting too, so your vagueness was actually pretty useful.

Stephen St. Onge
Guest

“I’m not sure what that has to do with diversity as a central aspect.”

Oh gee, Andy, you’re not paying attention. ‘World ends; women, minorities hit hardest.’

TRX
Guest

Sounds like “Star Bright” by Martin Caidin, except Caidin was never a professor that I know of.

Synova
Guest
I actually don’t have any gripe with that particular statement. It’s why the gawd awful stuuupid claims that ye olde science fiction was so white-insular are so frustrating and absurd. Science fiction is not just about the alien and unusual, about “hospitality to otherness”, it always has been, it always was. To supposedly bring science fiction *back* to a time that was not about “hospitality to otherness”, about the alien and unusual, is to bring science fiction back to something that by definition can’t be science fiction. In other words, the author disproves his own claim in two sentences. When… Read more »
Shadowdancer
Guest
And yet, despite their ‘BUT THERE IS NOTHING NEW ANYMOREEEE’ … people get excited about Pluto being seen. And the possibility that there may be subsurface tectonics and warmth in that oh so distant sphere… perhaps even life. The ones who complain about being supposedly usurped by the return of wonder are the ones who have nothing to do with the wonder, but instead nitpick about the fact that there are mosquitoes in the new world. Y’know, like the stupid bitch who complained about the scientist’s shirt instead of the fact he landed a satellite on a FREAKING COMET. The… Read more »
Old NFO
Guest

Well done, as always! I voted, now wondering if it will count! I put Three Body Problem #1. Sorry… 🙂

Brad R. Torgersen
Guest

You’ve joined Beale in your estimation; do you want to be accused of being in league with the Dark One? (chortle) No worries, man! Puppies is radically egalitarian. Vote your likes. That’s the first and last word in Puppydom.

David Lang
Guest

personally I didn’t care much for it. the story was plodding and full of depressing history, then ‘solved’ by mcguffin after mcguffin.

Stephen St. Onge
Guest

I like it a lot, and made it #2. But Skin Game was great for three reads, and so was #1 on my ballot.

Jeff Gauch
Guest

There was a solution?

nick
Guest

This, in spades. Had some novel ideas, but really not a great book.

Neil
Guest

Brad,

How is SP3 “radically egalitarian” if you created a slate, exactly? Real question. You can’t tell people to vote for specific works then say “vote your likes.”

Help me out on clarifying this one.

Carbonel
Guest

It’s because he carved dark runes on a ghoul-haunted tombstone carried by Sasquatch to the dread pyramid of Ichlichlichlichlichel where he said “hey guys, i’ve got some suggestions for deserving hugo nominations. Why don’t you read them and if you agree add them to your noms.”

And then we turned out in droves for spporting memberships, and all it took was at least a third to half of our noms overlapping Brad Torgersen’s and Bob’s your uncle, fanny’s your aunt, the campaign to end puppy-related sadness warms little canine hearts all the way down the ballot.

Will
Guest

Dark One! I command you by the power of the dagger to give me more readable SF!

James May
Guest

SJWs attack ONLY straight white males as an entire group.

100 million SWM say “What the hell’s going on?”

SJW confirmation America and SFF is a white male racist supremacy of compulsory heterosexuality.

Conclusion: SJWs are a Rainbow KKK of dullard internet shut-ins which makes millions of dollars for drug companies due to shared mass hysteria over nothing.

Carbonel
Guest

There’s a spot on the web where folks can play “Stormfront or SJW?” And when people legitimately can only tell you apart from honest-to-hitler white supremacists by the race and sex of your targets, you’re well and truly messed up.

James May
Guest

That’s why I’m looking forward to the writing controversies panel at WorldCon. You can watch civilization die in microcosm that night, just like they’ve gutted SFF in only 4 years.

Nighthawk
Guest

I nominate James as the ultimate anti-SJW paladin.

TRX
Guest

The Hugos are going to be a political chew toy forever, mostly because Worldcon is tiny and inbred.

What I’d like to see is a new award – say, the “Gernsback”, administered by an entirely different organization. Heck, make it the deviants the trufans cast out: Comicon.

Brad R. Torgersen
Guest

The “Gerny”? Hmmm, it has a ring to it; because everyone would be unconsciously reminded of Gurney Halleck, from Dune, and Gurney is the shit. I like it.

Pam Uphoff
Guest

I think we need The Puppies.

Wendy Delmater Thies
Guest

We might do that some day but be aware that IIRC the idea of a “Gernsback” was floated on a puppy kicker’s blog as a way to derail us. http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/04/20/keeping-up-with-the-hugos-42015/

Av willis
Guest

“Mood? What has mood to do with it? You fight when the necessity arises — no matter the mood! Mood’s a thing for cattle or making love or playing the baliset. It’s not for fighting”

Considering the opposition in this case operates off pure emotion, the following quote of Gurney could be extremely applicable. Especially if you substitute fighting for writing.

Reality Observer
Guest

There actually is one – Forrest J. Ackerman created it to fill in the period between 1926 and 1953, when the Hugos were started. I don’t recall whether they got beyond the first year, though, in awarding them.

Greg
Guest

I asked this question once on another forum and never got a straight answer:

I’m a white/hetro/male/Christian. At this point why should I even bother trying to write and publish something? I’m just going to get pigeonholed into a “niche genre” like Mil-Fic, or Christian lit *if I’m lucky*.

Even if I were to write “all the right things” (post colonial, etc), then I’m still a white/etc and I’m expected to willingly submit to the “back of the bus” because there’s “too many like me” in the field.

So why should I bother?

jic
Guest

“So why should I bother?”

Because the gatekeepers are less important in this age of self-publishing and digital distribution than they’ve ever been.

snelson134
Guest

Write indie. If the Puppies are about anything, it’s how little control the pigeon ‘holes have over what is published, purchased, perused, and praised.

Greg
Guest
Those are both fair points. It is just hard for me to feel like I would be opening myself up to a whole lot of grief for very little recognition on the other end. I’d have to put up with the SJWs and CHORFs slagging me on my own page for my supposed sins (just for existing let alone for what I might write) without ever having an honest shot at winning the acclaim of my chosen industry. Maybe it’s shallow of me, but I’d like to think that if I were good enough, I could win a Nebula or… Read more »
jic
Guest

Do you actually want to write a book? I’m getting a lot of ‘it’s not worth it’ from your comments; but no feeling that you’ve written something, are currently writing something, or are even planning to write something.

“without ever having an honest shot at winning the acclaim of my chosen industry”

Screw the “industry”, aim to win the acclaim of your readers.

Ken Burnside
Guest

I’m a finalist – Best Related Work.
Not only was I nominated on Brad’s recommendation list…
I sold work to Vox Day.
I was also on Vox’s list.
I’ve also been called, by several people on the “other side” a “refreshingly non-ideological voice” and “the only thing worth reading in Riding the Red Horse.”

If you can at least match the quality of The Hot Equations, you too can be the one mentioned with nose pinched shut. And thus, hope abounds…

Reality Observer
Guest

I had to give you #1 on that one. Hating it all the while, you clobber so much neat stuff. (Although I did write in my notes while deciding that you missed 1) effect of distance on just how much heat signal strength you get; and 2) possible ways to hide a heat signature – like following a comet in.)

David Lang
Guest

he actually did talk about these things. following a comet in takes years, and only hides you from one direction. If there are sensors around the system, they will see you from the other direction.

As for distance reducing the signature, it’s still huge compared to the background and so much closer than starts that the lower signature will still stand out.

Reality Observer
Guest
I think you are confusing “Hot Equations” with the story “Turncoat” re: mention of “stealth” by following the comet. (My #1 pick in the shorts, by the way.) Multiple sensors, yes. Particularly ones giving you a parallax, which is crucial to tell the position in three dimensions (and thereby size, etc., as was discussed). For current and near-term propulsion, he is spot on – no way to hide the flare from a plume of exhaust. Long-term? If the “EM Drive” pans out, that is a different animal (although I am not sanguine about the claims that it violates “current laws… Read more »
Sparky
Guest

Write because you love to write.

No one can stop you from doing that much except you.

Shadowdancer
Guest

If you desire to write, write with everything in your heart, with the best work you can manage, then go further. That alone is worth it. Ignore the CHORFS’s complaints. THEY are some of the best press you can get, I promise. For every time they screech about how bad you are, there will be someone who will be like “? Wonder what they’re screaming about.”

Your passions should not be determined by the opinions of those who hate you,

Brian Niemeier
Guest

If you want recognition, perfect cold fusion or cure cancer. Writers write.

Michael Kingswood
Guest

“perfect cold fusion”

I canna change the laws of physics, Cap’n!

🙂

snelson134
Guest

“But I’ll find ye a loophole!”

Nighthawk
Guest

Interesting. I thought NASA was suppose to be providing outreach to a certain religious group.

Frank Luke
Guest

Last week, I was considering a book. The Amazon reviews put it in my tablet. Oh, not the 5 stars, but a lonely little 1 star. The reviewer ranted that the book was not PC enough, that the main character (a 13 yo girl with an inferiority complex) worried that she would never be as pretty as her new friends. Bought it then and the sequel a couple days later. Write what you need to write. Don’t worry about the Hugo, Nebula, Christie, or anything else. If you can’t not write, then write.

Brad R. Torgersen
Guest

If you’re doing SF/F, there are still a few venues left which won’t expect you to bow and scrape. BAEN for novels, obviously, but I also highly recommend Analog magazine, and Orson Scott Card’s InterGalactic Medicine Show. And of course, the Wild Wild West of indie publishing is always there for you. Guy named Andy Weir indie published a book about a Robinson Crusoe situation on Mars. Now Ridley Scott’s made a movie from it. Nice things can happen for a nice book in indie. (grin)

Kevin P.
Guest
Tough love time; grow a pair. C’mon, if Larry thought the same way we wouldn’t have MHI or the Grimnoir Chronicles, or his Dead Six novels. Hell, I stumbled on to his books one day, and now I’ll buy anything and everything he writes. Not only that, I’ve found several authors that I really enjoy based on his recommendations (I’m looking at you, Brad), and I’ll buy anything THEY write. If you have a story to tell, tell it. Heck, when it’s ready, post something here and I’ll buy it to check it out. If it’s good, it will sell.… Read more »
Stephen St. Onge
Guest

You should bother if you have something to say worth hearing. Do you?

BornLib
Guest

White/hetro/male/Christian authors do still get publishing contracts too.

As for the rest, so long as your readers are happy, who cares what a small club of obsessive neurotics thinks of you?

Lady Xiansa
Guest
Self-publishing is easy these days, and if you have a piece you wrote that you feel strongly that you want people to read, get it out there. If you don’t want to be pigeon-holed, don’t focus on your personal attributes but on your writing. You have more control over this if you self-publish. I was just listening to someone who had a deal with a big-name publisher for his non-fiction book who got set up for a book signing with SJWs who attacked him immediately. You can pick your venues and marketing better if you go indie. I gave up… Read more »
Joshua
Guest

Because Amazon. You asked the wrong question. What you are trying to ask is, “why should I bother trying to be published by a traditional publishing company?” The answer is, you shouldn’t. If the question is “why should I bother writing?” the answer is because traditional publishing companies are obsolete and don’t matter.

MClark
Guest
The hardest thing you will encounter as a writer is to actually write. Get that two thousand, one thousand or even five hundred words on the page every single day. The second hardest thing is to find a good critique group to help you polish your writing. They have to pummel you for switching POV, harass you when you ‘tell’, and restrain you when you’re infodumping. They have to praise you when offer some great metaphor , create an awesome character, or show a nice bit of background. One time my critique group told me I was infodumping too much.… Read more »
Taysha
Guest

“should I even bother trying to write and publish something?”

The better question is: do you have a story to tell?

Make sure you tell it the best you can. That’s all that matters in the end.

S1AL
Guest

Larry, your political rants are what compelled me to buy your paying work… so don’t stop now.

Neil
Guest

And here I thought it was the bloody message fiction that was the problem.

Craig(2)
Guest

Two things, the first of which has been said many times by many people
a) The problem is prioritizing message over story (sometimes to the point that the story is paused for a long political rant), not ‘stories that include a message’
b) it is entirely possible to enjoy someone’s political writings, enjoy someone’s fiction writings, yet not want them to mix the two – and in context, that seems to be what S1al is referring to.

Joe in PNG
Guest

Neil is just doing a classic “Skim Until Offended”

Nighthawk
Guest

He is talking about buying books, not voting in the Hugos. But please, go on, your powers of pulling shit out of thin air is mildly amusing.

Richard Taylor
Guest

Great job Larry. Keep it up as I love it. I would show the guardian author my “not caring face” to his points.

RightWingPRof
Guest

“Though liberals do a great deal of talking about hearing other points of view, it sometimes shocks them to learn that there are other points of view.” – William F. Buckley

Brad R. Torgersen
Guest

This is probably my most favorite Buckley quote of all time — it’s more true now than ever before.

Bibliotheca Servare
Guest

This^ This right here. Preach it, Buckley! 😉

T.L. Knighton
Guest

“Locking out women writers, writers of colour, gay and trans writers does a violence to the heart of the genre. ”

I’d just love it if one of these morons could show us exactly where and how anyone has “locked out” these people…other than the morons who want to change the rules. That’s none of us.

T.L. Knighton
Guest

And, for the record, none of disliked Leckie’s work because it was a “smart gender-deconstruction of space opera”. We disliked it for a thousand other reasons, including how the gender pronoun trick was stupid but did nothing else with gender.

deadcenter
Guest
I disliked it because of the ham handed handling of the gender trick. Whenever it was brought up, “I’ve traveled to a new polity where they use different pronouns for gender and I don’t know which to choose so I will guess and now I am being laughed at for choosing the wrong one…” got old after the first time. Other than that, I thought it was a pretty good story. Of course, had those sections been removed, I’m not sure anyone would have noticed the lack of he/she him/her. In any case it was off putting enough to make… Read more »
William Eckman
Guest

I haven’t read those books, but that does sound dumb. My wife isn’t a native English speaker, so she tends to reverse those pronouns, but nobody ever laughs at her.

Stephen St. Onge
Guest

I’m supposed to believe in an Artificial Intelligence that can’t tell the difference between men and women? Puh-leeze! And both her novels I found too boring to finish.

Michael Kingswood
Guest

This.

Synova
Guest

I’ve thought that I’d probably write aliens not being able to tell human sexes from each other any better than we can tell cats without close examination.

James May
Guest

The true stupid is that a zombie in an incomprehensively far alien future just happens to be up on flavor of the SFF week French Queer Theory. Why not spaceships named the “Huffington Post”?

Wes S.
Guest

Well . . . they bullied Annie Bellot into withdrawing her Puppy-fueled Hugo nom this year, lest she be tainted with Vox Day cooties or something.

But that certainly wasn’t the *Puppies’* fault. That was the oh-so-sensitive-and-tolerant opposition sticking it to a “gay” writer.

T.L. Knighton
Guest

You didn’t hear? It’s our fault because we liked her story. Had we not put it on our ballots, they wouldn’t have been forced to harass her.

Jeff Gauch
Guest

“If she would just do what she’s told, I wouldn’t have to beat her.”

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

“Locking out women writers”, is that why we nominated about a dozen of them?

Daddy Warpig
Guest

After the Puppies sweep the awards, they’ll hear the screaming on the GamerGate Mars colony.

Richard McEnroe
Guest

We’d let you associate with the COGNACoscenti but since you’re deployed to a dry country we’ll just have to finish the bottle for you…

Brad R. Torgersen
Guest

LOL!

Jeff Gauch
Guest

I have it on good authority that Red Breast, and presumably other members of the whiskey family, look quite a lot like original recipe Listerine. Also, those tamper seals aren’t too hard to fake. I’ve also learned from a very trusted source that a wee dram of aforementioned Red Breast is a rather nice way to end a day in Kandahar.

richard mcenroe
Guest

Painting the large Fosters lager can OD, stenciling an item code on it and sticking them in a box full of oil cans in the back of a deuce and a half works surprising well too.

Zsuzsa
Guest
I love Larry’s fiskings, so seeing one is always a delight, especially as a way to start the weekend. If he were to write a fisking of the Salt Lake City phonebook, I’d happily read it to see what snarky comments could be made about Smith, Joe 555-7782. So nothing below should be taken as a criticism of the wonderful fisk. But that being said… What impresses me most about the Guardian article is just how boring and repetitive it is. I haven’t read any of the articles listed in the “Sad Puppies Article of the Week” section, but I… Read more »
lonejanitor
Guest

Two Guardian articles, a NAMBLA supporter in The New Yorker, and Michael Moorcock calling Tolkien a cryptofascist and announcing that putting science in science fiction is anal-retentive fanservice. It was a busy week for the boring and repetitive.

Ashely R Pollard
Guest

In all fairness to Michael Moorcock, who is not Tolkien’s biggest fan, he has complained that he was misquoted (http://news.ansible.uk/a337.html) in Ansible.

BornLib
Guest

Michael Moorcock has always hated Tolkien. IIRC he also hates the Harry Potter books. He hates the idea of reading “to escape,” or for “entertainment,” or fun. Basically, his thing is that books are supposed to be art, and art isn’t fun dammit!

Doug Loss
Guest

Well, in my experience he’s attained his goal. His books aren’t fun (or even all that interesting) to read.

lonejanitor
Guest

I liked them when I was younger. But I reread the Elric books last year and he’s become such an irritating ‘hero’, doing things he knows will end badly then crying about it later. No more.

Shadowdancer
Guest

I’d never read them. My massive to be read pile, which grows by the day (physically, because I prefer actual books) will keep me greatly entertained in the meantime…

(In my imaginary oh so copious free time between commissions and writing books…)

Carbonel
Guest

Holden Caufield does epic fantasy–? Pass.

Achillea
Guest

Ugh. Elric. In less than one chapter, he attained levels of obnoxious, whinging assholery that it took Thomas Covenant an entire novel to reach. Impressive, in a pathetic sort of way.

James May
Guest

I like his Elric and Cor Mac books quite a bit.

richard mcenroe
Guest

Is Moorcock still wandering around Texas?

Nighthawk
Guest

I still like to go back now and then and read old Elric stories. I would call them S&S and not science fiction, though.

Frank Probst
Guest

That movie with the tiger was really cool in 3D.

SJW75126
Guest

Ha ha – when I got to the “Democrats lynching people” I figured with that kind of intellectual dishonesty, why bother. You guys are goofy.

But it does illustrate – this is all the conservative politics view of the world. The puppy uprising has zero to do with quality of books or the representativeness of awards.

But it is fun – carry on.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Which party dominated the South during segregation again?

Doctor Locketopus
Guest

The KKK was the terrorist wing of the Southern Democrats. You can, as they say, look it up.

Trivia question: exactly one former Klan official has been elected to the United States Senate. This man is also known for attempting to filibuster the 1964 Civil Rights Act. What party did he belong to?

Try reading some history other than Howard Zinn. You might learn something.

Greg
Guest

That’s a bit disingenuous. Those attitudes are not those of the CURRENT Democratic party. They’re Republican attitudes.

snelson134
Guest

Only in your head. And the current Democratic Party isn’t disingenuous; it’s the Party where pathological dishonesty is the entrance requirement.

Doctor Locketopus
Guest

No, they are not. That is a lie and you are a liar.

Robert Byrd, the aforementioned Klan official, was a Democrat Senator until he died in 2010, and, far from being marginalized, had been repeatedly named to high office by his fellow Democrats. Majority Leader, Minority Leader, Majority Whip, you name it.

Greg
Guest
Who is being racist about Mexicans? Republicans. Who refuses to vote to fix the Voting Rights Act? Republicans. Where can you find the most racist anti-Obama signs, placards, and pictures? TEA Party (basically the ones who now run the Republicans. Who is working nation wide to throw millions of people off the voting roles? Republicans. Which party did KKK Leader David Duke join? Republicans. Who is always striving to grant more rights to minorities (albeit sometimes too much so)? Democrats. Who is trying to ensure that all eligible voters (including all races) are allowed their vote? Democrats. I may not… Read more »
Doctor Locketopus
Guest
“Who is being racist about Mexicans?” The black democrats who have a nice little ethnic cleansing war going on with them in LA? ” Who refuses to vote to fix the Voting Rights Act?” It’s not 1964 any more, dude. “Where can you find the most racist anti-Obama signs, placards, and pictures? TEA Party” Liar. ” Which party did KKK Leader David Duke join? Republicans.” What party does Al Sharpton belong to, in which he is treated a a respected “elder statesman”, rather than being treated as a fringe embarrassment, as Duke was? What party did Fred “God Hates Fags”… Read more »
Will
Guest

He has gotten to the end of Larry’s checklist: “When all else fails, RACISM!”

SJW75126
Guest

Have to give Greg and AMEN.

Patrick Chester
Guest

Why do you ask questions when you’ve already decided what the answer is?

Ah yes, I know: Agitprop and assertion. To demonize the icky awful people you hate so much.

Doug Loss
Guest

Do you mean throwing people of the voting roles like in that Mississippi county that has more registered voters than population? Your Democrats have consistently kept voting role from being checked for accuracy. We all know, it’s harder for you to win elections if voters are limited to only those living people who are actually resident in the precincts.

SJW75126
Guest
Never confuse a tea person with facts. It angers them. We all know that the after Civil Rights legistlation the Republicans embarked on the Southern Strategy to gain the allegiance of the Dixiecrats. We all watched the migration. We all know that these states are now Red States and largely correspond to the old confederacy. We all know that African Americans for many years voted Republican because that was the party of Lincoln. We all know that now African Americans favor the Democratic party overwhelmingly. We all know that they do so, because they know what we all know. And… Read more »
Jim
Guest

Yup. Blacks are doing just great in the Democrat-controlled Edens that are America’s cities. They aren’t kept poor and ignorant there. No sir-ee.

Honestly, Dems may or may not want to keep blacks down, but if they did, there’s precious little they would be doing differently.

Nathan
Guest

Long on implication and projection, short on actual verifiable facts. On the charge of intellectual dishonesty, physician, heal thyself.

dgarsys
Guest

ya gotta love it when someone doubles down (“SJW’s always…) and not only throws a bit of bad history at us (Wow, the republicans decided to become racist all of a sudden out of the clear blue nowhere) but then also tries to tell us what we REALLY know but that we’re apparently too stupid or forgetful to understand, since we claim we believe otherwise.

It’s like a nasty version of that “false consciousness” thing some of my hipster friends used to talk about.

David MacKinnon
Guest
um…. You do know that the president that signed those “Civil Rights” legislation (your incorrect term, mind you) was none other than Richard NIXON. A Republican. African american switched to Democrat when LBJ(a Democrat) created welfare plantations with his “War on poverty”. His exact quote was “Those N***ers will vote Democrat for the next two hundred years”. I DARE you to fact check that EXACT choice of words he used. Over 22 trillion spent. All we got were Detroit, Baltimore, Oakland, Saint Louis and, of course, Chicago for all that cash. Corrupt local leadership (Democrats all) pocketed it and then… Read more »
Greg
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“You do know that the president that signed those “Civil Rights” legislation (your incorrect term, mind you) was none other than Richard NIXON. A Republican.” You are LYING. LBJ signed them in 1964. He may have said racist things, but he got the law passed and signed it. Tell me, what do all of these well-known racists have in common: Strom Thurmond Trent Lott Rick Santorum Rick Perry Donald Trump Paul Ryan Rand Paul Newt Gingrich Hailey Barbour Louie Gohmert Bill O’Reilley Jim Demint Jason Richwine Cliven Bundy Jeb Bush Ronald Reagan Lee Atwater Jeff Sessions Mark Sandford They’re REPUBLICAN.… Read more »
Doctor Locketopus
Guest

Got it. To you, “Republican” and “racist” are synonyms.

You don’t get to make up your own definition for words, dude.

Every hell-hole ghetto in the country is controlled by Democrats. Every. Single. One. Odd, that.

Reality Observer
Guest

Might as well give up, Doc. Yep, Republicans completely ignored the anniversary of Selma. It’s in all the pictures, not a single Republican in any of them.

Just like Stalin never, ever had any association with the Nazis. After the summer of 1941, that is – all of those pictures were very carefully doctored for publication in Pravda, just like “cropping for space” was very carefully applied by the New York Times.

snelson134
Guest

Rick Perry, Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush? You’re insane.

A CNN cameraman? Of course you have a link to the video.

50th Anniversary? You mean the one that was carefully edited to remove Pres Bush? Cite

Cite for Stirling?

And I’m sure your delusions could fill the Library of Congress.

richard mcenroe
Guest

Love to know what racist stuff Rick Santorum spouted, because he neglected to spout it at the function I attended and I’m running out of original lines, er, always on the alert for that sort of thing,

James May
Guest
Which side of this divide in SFF spends its time supporting demonization theories about all men/women such as “rape culture,” “toxic masculinity” and “patriarchy.” There is no fake academic ideological movement in SFF which casts women as historic congenital retards for not building great canals and architectural wonders. Look at the obsessive SJW Tweets about Bill Cosby. That’s because SJWs think Cosby is a typical man rather than a creepy outlier. Fraudulent self-appointed and equally creepy rape expert Jim Hines wants to do away with due process and Tweets “Could we please toss Bill Cosby in jail already?” That’s going… Read more »
Doug Loss
Guest

Wow. You really are completely delusional, aren’t you?

Emery Calame
Guest

Larval apparatchiks aren’t delusional. They are ruthlessly single minded. They don’t write, they distribute. It’s garbage in and garbage out in the service of the struggle. They don’t edit, revise, challenge, compose, or think about their message. They just deliver it, like a repeater, by rote. They don’t worry about yesterday or tomorrow. They just tell you what the party says “2+2 = ” today like it was the first time the party ever spoke, and attack or dismiss anyone who questions, challenges, or disagrees, It’s automated, robotic, reflexive, mindless, mechanical repetition of some one else’s dogma

Doug Loss
Guest

You’re right about all that, but that doesn’t keep them from being delusional, you know. As to their behavior, I call it “chanting,” since they never actually debate anyone who challenges them, they merely reflexively repeat the same rote phrases, over and over.

Doug Loss
Guest

I call what they do “chanting.” They pretend they’re debating, and responding to the points made by their challengers, but all they do is reflexively repeat the same dogmatic points over and over. It really is analogous to ritualized religious responses.

WyrdBard
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And probably has the same purpose as a ritualized liturgy: To drill in the basics and commit things to memory. This an excellent technique when dealing with a population in an oral tradition or trying to get the basics into just about anyone and provide a foundation for further study. It is a very bad way to get people to think for themselves. (Which is why most oral traditions contained phases of questioning, usually for advanced students. See the end of Job as an excellent recorded example.) It is an utterly TERRIBLE when mistaken for the sum of all knowledge… Read more »
JAWolf
Guest

I hate to take the bloom of your ignorance, but you do need realize that Strom Thurmond started as a Democrat and was a Democrat for the first three decades of his political career.

As for the rest, it’s typical liberal ‘If you disagree with me, you are a doubleplusundoog racist!’ brand scatological material.

Alex
Guest

Jim DeMint? You mean the guy who recommended Tim Scott to serve out his term when he left the Senate?

Bibliotheca Servare
Guest

You are so full of shit it is pouring out of your ears! Republicans ignored the anniversary of Selma?!?! You stupid lying sack of maggot-riddled moose feces! Even WIKIPEDIA has the list of Republican legislators who marched at the anniversary of Selma! The Times photoshopped them out of their pics, but they were fucking THERE! Please, stop using my air, and go hide in a deep, dark hole, that the rest of us may be spared your disgusting, brainless presence!

John C Wright
Guest
“We all know that the after Civil Rights legistlation the Republicans embarked on the Southern Strategy to gain the allegiance of the Dixiecrats. We all watched the migration.” How odd that this migration consisted of exactly one marginal congressman. So the Southern Strategy did what, again, exactly? Nixon went from being praised by Martin Luther King for his support of black civil rights and decided to suddenly become racist, and then he sent out a memo or something telling the party of Lincoln to suddenly become racists, and we did, and meanwhile the Democrat party also sent out a memo… Read more »
SJW75126
Guest
Yes you keep selling that dog poop Mr. Wright. Flesh that fiction out a bit (because what LBJ said was that it would cost Democrats the South for a generation) and you might be able to get a Hugo yet. And now…. it is August 1st. It has been grand watching the Tea Puppies in action and you guys gave me lots of new blogs to read and places to visit. At this very moment File 770 is doing a little fisking of there own. But its over. Votes have been cast. How do you guys think you did? Where… Read more »
SJW75126
Guest

“their” not “there” – apologies.

Doug Loss
Guest

To tell the truth, we’ve already won. The votes don’t matter; the mask has been pulled from you SJW’s collective faces, and everyone can see you hateful harpies as you truly are.

James May
Guest

File 770 is a shit hole where 10 idiots have decided to gather to repeatedly blather nonsense at each other and bet quatloos on the outcome of E Plebneesta.

John C Wright
Guest

So when I give you the historical facts, which anyone can look up, and give you a logical argument, which anyone can think about, you answer nothing and reply to nothing save to call the facts and the argument childish scatological names and change the subject and talk like a snarky yet whiny teen. I accept your cowardly and unmannerly capitulation with grace any wish you luck in your next battle of wits.

junior
Guest
The so-called Southern Strategy is a bunch of nonsense. The South has only decided two elections in favor of the Republican party – 2000 and 2004. The South went solidly for the Dems in 1976. It went for Reagan in 1980 and 1984, but so did pretty much the entire country (Reagan carried 44 states in 1980, and a record-breaking 49 states in 1984). Bush rode on Reagan’s coat tails to get a solid majority of states in 1988. Once again, support from the South wasn’t needed. And roughly half the South went for Clinton in 1992 and 1996. Claims… Read more »
snelson134
Guest

As someone who’s lived in the South all my life, I can tell you that it was the mid-to-late 80s before you needed much more than a phone booth to hold a Republican Party meeting in the South.

JAWolf
Guest

And by that time the Dems had been so much the party of ‘Acid, amnesty and abortion’ that the socially conservative South rebelled.

http://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/

Food for thought- note how often in the past dozen presidential elections that the South going GOP coincided with more than once with the GOP tromping in the electoral college.

And do note how the ‘Solid South’ voted in 1960 and prior….

There was a reson why the 1924 Democratic National Convention was dubbed the ‘Klanbake.’

JAWolf
Guest

In slight fairness to the attempted narrative, the Depp South’s vote in 1964 and 1968 were (no pun intended) colored strongly by reactions to the civil rights movement. As for 1972, well, the Dems ran McGovern. Seriously….

Stephen St. Onge
Guest

        Actually, blacks started voting Democratic in FDR’s time, and began registering overwhelmingly Democrat in Truman’s: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/blacks-and-the-democratic-party/.  And those were the years when Democrats in Congress blocked Civil Rights legislation.

        Oh, and when the Civil Rights Act finally passed, it was with a higher percentage of Republican votes than Democratic votes.

        But why let facts get in the way of a good lie?

SJW75126
Guest

Yes we know. Most of us know about the shift in the parties since the civil rights act. But don’t let facts get in your way.

In 2016, you will lose the African American vote again. You will lose the Hispanic vote. You will lose the gay vote. (Log cabin Republicans – who are those guys?) You will lose the women’s vote. But will you get the religious right vote and the old white guy vote. Praise Jesus. But will you get the Hugo? What do you think?

Doctor Locketopus
Guest

“Shift in the parties”?

So you’re saying that before 1964 the Republicans were, like, socialists?

Where do you people get this stuff?

Doctor Locketopus
Guest

Slept through the last Congressional election, did you?

Patrick Chester
Guest

Ah, more of the “you’re doomed surrender now” gloating of an anonymous prog troll…

…whom are you trying to convince? Us icky people who disagree… or yourself?

Kristophr
Guest

They are trying to derail the comments, nothing more. Just yell “racist”, and ignore facts is their only working strategy. Point and laugh at them, and continue to discuss winning the social war.

They contribute nothing but poo flinging.

Doug Loss
Guest

But win the election. Don’t you just wonder why that is?

jic
Guest

In the past you’ve had some interesting comments here, but you’ve degenerated into a boring troll. Just calling us racist over and over again? Yawn.

Derf
Guest

The amusing thing about your constant repetition that Southern Democrat racists suddenly became Republicans is that the NEW YORK TIMES disagrees with you:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/magazine/10Section2b.t-4.html

And when the* New York Times* declares your attack on the right wing false, you know you’re spewing some serious BS.

TallDave
Guest
Democrats prevented blacks from voting until the 1950s when Eisenhower passed the first CRA. Since they could no longer suppress their votes, Democrats started selling blacks the same toxic blend of identity politics and socialism they’d been luring in poor whites with. This is one of the main reason black nuclear families began to disintegrate at this point (the same way poor whites’ did) : incentives matter. Democrats tend to elide the fact that state racism, the KKK, and Jim Crow were policies particularly popular with poor Southern whites, and not very popular among Republicans. As the South industrialized and… Read more »
M.S. O'Brien
Guest

Harper Lee points out in Go Set a Watchman that the Southern poor, including blacks, began voting Democrat when it became known that they would receive no government help (regardless of paperwork or need) unless voting Democrat. Every county had a guy who handled this, including making sure that Social Security and pension mail never arrived.

James May
Guest
Today’s social justice KKK in SFF speaks for itself. They are the only organized and institutional element in SFF which routinely engages in group defamation, racism, sex-hatred and phobia, racial and sexual literary narcissism, segregation, racial and sexual discrimination, perverts racial crime statistics, racial and sexual affirmative action literary initiatives, racial incitement and incitement to hate men. It’s not hard to figure out who their intellectual ancestors are and it’s neither equal rights feminism, human rights or civil rights. It is biological fear and hatred and the division of human beings into squabbling groups based on race and sex. Any… Read more »
Patrick Chester
Guest

Never confuse a tea person with facts. It angers them.

Yet you continue to lie.

Doug Loss
Guest

And we all know that you are lying when you say these things. Do you really think no one notices?

Kristophr
Guest

Ignore their idiotic distraction attempts.

Matthew
Guest

*Yawn*

You know, the Dems wouldn’t have lost the South (and they lost it, rather than the Repubs winning it) if they hadn’t:

A. Gone anti-military, to include embracing the proponents of the “babykiller” meme

B. Gone anti-religious (not non-religious, but actually anti)

C. Lost the KKK’s ability to get away with killing Repub organizers.

Emery Calame
Guest

“We all know…”-> irrelevant shallow ass wikipedia capsule ignoring all the huge holes that just got poked in your dumb screed, followed by empty smack talk about “confusing” people (who you utterly failed to confuse in any meaningful way) with your lame, debunked, dogmatic assertions which you have stupidly conflated with “facts”.

It;s the typical sad crypto-totalitarian leftoid twitter-style garbage, only rendered more long-form.

Will
Guest

Really, please do explain to me the Democratic Party attitudes towards Dr Ben Carson, Thomas Sowell, Justice Clarence Thomas, Condaleeza Rice, Michelle Malkin, Sarah Palin among others who dislike being told what to do by Racist mongers in the Democratic Party.. Hell, they are even now attacking white straight males for the crimes of being white and male .

Greg Q
Guest

Really, “Greg”? Other than Barack Obama, can you name any Black Democrats elected in majority white areas? The Republicans ahve several, because our voters aren’t racists. Democrats?

richard mcenroe
Guest

Name the party that runs the cities with the most black shootings by police. We’ll wait.

Farley
Guest

Clamps get a new handle?

Joe in PNG
Guest

This one doesn’t obsess over Vox Day.
Nope, ISO Standard Sophomoric Left Wing Troll. Pull the string and the standard left wing talking points come pouring out.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Clamps has been very quiet of late. Which means he might show up any moment . . .

snelson134
Guest

I figured SJW75126 was “him”.

Robin Munn
Guest

Nah, SJW75126 isn’t Clamps. Very different writing style, and there’s another fundamental difference as well. Underneath SJW’s broad ignorance of how conservatives really think, he really does have a genuine niceness and willingness, in the end, to agree to disagree. Whereas Clamps is just plain nasty to anyone who disagrees with him.

snelson134
Guest

Obviously your intellect doesn’t extend to knowing which party supported slavery on the plantation, founded the Klan, enacted Jim Crow, and still supports slavery on the collective — but you keep fighting those cardboard cutouts in your head.

Patrick Chester
Guest

You might want to close your eyes tighter, press your fingers further into your ears and hum louder, little one.

PavePusher
Guest

Your ignorance of history is nothing to brag about.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Consider the past two years we got a spate of Puppy-bashing prior to the Hugo nomination announcements. Now, the week of the deadline, when we’ve learned that there are hundreds if not no thousands of new Hugo voters. And what do we see? A spate of Puppy-bashing. I wonder, do they know something we don’t? 😉

John C Wright
Guest
Who are these illiterate morons regurgitating this insanity? Not experimental? Not literate? What I write is the most experimental and literate material on the market today. I point to ‘Murder in Metachronopolis’ as an experiment in achronological narrative technique, and I point to ‘Far End of History’ as a work simply drenched in literary allusions, lyrical in worduse, and yet containing scientifically accurate settings and backgrounds. I am not ‘progressive’ in their sense because the Progressives were vexed over the working conditions of the poor in the time of Queen Victoria. Their proposed solution was income tax, expanding the franchise,… Read more »
Wes S.
Guest

“The Puppies are complaining that the awards have become too highbrow . . .”

. . . which is why John C. Wright, the single most erudite author currently writing in SF/F, got something like six nominations and all but swept one entire category of the Hugo noms.

Oh wait: He’s that scary Catholic guy. That explains it.

*facepalm*

Craig(2)
Guest

I just can’t stop laughing that he thought it was a good idea to include “Redshirts” in his two title list of highbrow, ‘too experimental and literary’ works.

Yeah, because *that’s* why people complain about Redshirts winning.

SJW75126
Guest
I wonder if the Tea-puppies had not freeped the Hugo nominations if “Lock In” would have been nominated. It’s getting lots of buzz and fans seem to really like it. Compare how Scalzi did in the 2014 Goodreads Choice Awards. For Sci-Fi he came in 2nd but that is because “The Martian” placed 1st. “The Martian” was not eligible for a Hugo this year so…. Hey… if you don’t do anything else, you can always say there is a good chance you screwed Scalzi out of an award he could have won. That should keep you warm at night, yes?
Doctor Locketopus
Guest

“It’s getting lots of buzz and fans seem to really like it”

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #60,703

Craig(2)
Guest

I don’t dislike Scalzi so much as that (though, for Fuzzy Nation, I shall buy nothing of his, ever). But be honest, 75126 – if *you* has to list the highbrow, literary writers of SF, how many would you list before you got to Scalzi?

James May
Guest

I wonder what you’d write if you possessed self-awareness.

Emery Calame
Guest

Print filename.exe

jic
Guest

“if the Tea-puppies had not freeped”

Seriously? you couldn’t shoehorn in a ‘Faux News’ reference for the trifecta?

SJW75126
Guest

You already shoehorned Faux News. I can Shoehorn in FauxFan, FauxChristian, Obamacare and LBJCare if it makes you happy?

jic
Guest

At this point, you’re just babbling.

mousekt
Guest

Not in this to screw Scalzi, in this to get awards for good books. I have Fuzzy Nation on my desk now, actually, since I’ve had Scalzi recommended to me more than once, and that one was at the library. I’ll judge his books by his writing , not his twitter, thank you very much.

Still, if more of his fans had nominated it, maybe he could have still gotten the award. This is a big award, no harm in getting more people involved.

Reality Observer
Guest

Hmmm. If you know and love the “Fuzzy” series – skip the Scalzi, it’s junk.

For a far, far better book, get hold of “Golden Dream: A Fuzzy Odyssey” by Ardath Mayhar. (Yes, a FEMALE, and not entirely WHITE. Sadly no longer with us.)

lonejanitor
Guest

I’d say Gene Wolfe is more erudite, but that’ just me. Read them both, though.

John C Wright
Guest

Gene Wolfe is the most erudite, most subtle, most profound and perhaps the most dangerous author writing today in any genre. We should praise the nine muses that he sees fit to write in ours.

Cameron
Guest

Good ol’ gene. One of the very few authors whose pages can’t ever be skimmed lest one chance missing a vital clue in an otherwise “throw-away” phrase.

Frank Luke
Guest

And the fact that Gene Wolfe has never won a Hugo (in spite of several nominations, wins for Nebulas, Campbells, and Locus) just proves the point of the Puppies over and over. The Hugos are not about what’s great, literary, and pushing the boundaries of SF.

Doctor Locketopus
Guest
“Why is it that the only people who care about an author’s race are the ones who keep accusing everybody else of being motivated by race?” No fooling. When I was growing there were a bunch of historical novels by Frank Yerby around the house. Good stuff — exciting stories, good research, good writing, a fair number of racy bits (racy for the age I was then, anyway)… Until just a couple of years ago, I had no idea that Yerby was African-American, and wouldn’t have given a crap if I had. Wikipedia tells me that he was the first… Read more »
TomT
Guest
It was years before I learned that a writer I really like was black. Didn’t make a difference in my buying her books after learning her race. This would be Octavia E Butler. Nothing about that name screamed black woman to me. Then there is another author on my shelves who I have lots of his books. Steven Barnes who is another great writer. Frankly I don’t look up the race of the person writing any book I buy. I just want a book I enjoy reading the race of the person who wrote it is completely irrelevant to my… Read more »
junior
Guest

Octavia E. Butler apparently graduated from my high school, and the school brought her back to speak to us. She had some minor un-PC things to say regarding black males, and why (as a result of that un-PC) one of her protagonists was a black female.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

I find it telling that for SJWs, the end result of stories must be “diversity” and “visibility” and “representation”. Nothing about good characters or interesting plots. No wonder they rarely create anything of lasting value. It’s like declaring that the entire reason an automobile exists is the chrome finish.

deadcenter
Guest

It fits with their mission statement, “Diversity of appearance, Unity of thought, or else”.

James May
Guest
As usual, there’s nothing funnier than seeing heterosexual middle class white men take up the cause of anti-white lesbian sexual theory without the least hint of awareness they’re doing so while essentially embracing Bell Curve racial theory and supremacy. “Diversity,” the way the word is used by SJWs, supports racial classification and fundamental innate differences, not only between ethnic groups, but the sexes. SJW ideology is the only institutional expression of what lies behind Aryan and S. African apartheid race theory in the history of SFF. This is why I find these Wrong-Way Corrigans so laughably stupid. The entire movement… Read more »
Michael Hill
Guest

“Science fiction, if it is about anything, is about […] freeing ones mind and boldly going where no one has been before.” Yep, like homosexuality (since Adam, not me, keeps bringing up that oh so important aspect). Because nobody has ever been there before, in five or six millennia of recorded history. Nope.

Shadowdancer
Guest

Because I’ve got to ask the question before I forget while laughing my way through this wonderful fisk: what’s the movie where SJWs get eaten by cannibals called?

And for some reason I remembered a scene in High School of the Dead where a SJW gets eaten by the zombies that she was trying to ‘protect’.

Craig(2)
Guest
Shadowdancer
Guest

Thank you!

Dr. Mauser
Guest

Hmmm, I may have to re-watch HSotD, and not just for the Naked Apron Cooking, or the boobs as sniper rest scenes….

Shadowdancer
Guest

Pounced on the color omnibus hardcovers. Waiting to see if it’ll be continued, and I hope so. It’s entertaining, and immersive as a story.

Reality Observer
Guest
Yet another one for me check out. Dang it, why can’t Netflix just get on with it and establish a horrible monopoly position like Amazon? Was going to comment elsewhere (Sarah’s place?) that I grew up getting up super-early to watch Saturday morning cartoons before the SJWs of yore destroyed American animation. I did, really, try to interest my kids in that tradition – instead, they hooked me on Japanese anime, because they could not stand the constant drivel of “justice” and “green” and “no hope” coming over network television. (Yes, I have bright kids – they could recognize drooling… Read more »
DaveP.
Guest

There’s something similar in Michael Crichton’s book “State of Fear” where the Michael Sheen-analogue starts off glad-handing the barbaric cannibal tribesmen and ends up getting eaten by them. It’s a pretty groovy thing.

Grayson
Guest

Gods below, the poor bloody zombies really will eat things that would gag a maggot, won’t they 😀

Shadowdancer
Guest

Well, they’re zombies. I rather expect the tastebuds have rotted. ^^

Shadowdancer
Guest

Also worth relinking to this as it’s related to the whole Sad Puppies thing: http://tlknighton.com/?p=7049

anonme
Guest
As a sci-fi fan who fell out of obsession with the genre after my local bookstore’s SF section had more vampire, it’s been interesting to be pulled back in. I had heard of Sad Puppies before the sweep (Thanks to Daddy Warpig, but doesn’t seem like many others cared). At the time I was sympathetic, but didn’t really have the $40 at the time, and wasn’t sure if I should get involved. After listening to Brian Niemeir on Geek Gab talk about the possible danger of a No Award sweep, I decided to bite the bullet, and shell out for… Read more »
Shadowdancer
Guest
My friend, I started in the middle, because that’s what they had available at the bookstore. Finished the book in the two hour ride back home, got back on the jeep and rode back to buy the rest that they had, and went scouring other stores to see what I could find. That’s the nice thing about the Dresden Files; you can pick up any of the books and not feel lost. Butcher really hits his stride around book four, to me, but I’ll reread the whole series again and again, every time a new book is about to come… Read more »
anonme
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Neat. Sounds like I have a very pleasant rabbit hole awaiting for me to go down.

Shadowdancer
Guest

I think I told the friend who recommended Dresden Files to me I wasn’t sure if I should tell him I love him for recommending the series, or say “Damnit, BG this is all your fault,” for the week of very little sleep I got bingeing. His response? “You’re welcome.”

So, uhm, yeah. That’s sort of a warning there from someone who plowed through the fifth Harry Potter book in five hours. I read fast.

junior
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Yeah, if you want to get in at the ground floor of one of Jim Butcher’s series, then check out his upcoming Cinder Spires series that Shadowdancer mentions. IIRC, the first book will be released next month.

And you should read all of Skin Game. There are bits and parts that reference earlier events in the series. But there’s nothing that will leave you confused if you haven’t read any of the earlier books.

Reality Observer
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Heh. We (family of five) went to the release party at Borders for that one. Got home about 2 AM. For the next seven hours or so (guess we aren’t as fast as you), the house was dead silent. Except for the occasional “ow” as two of us ran into each other…

Brian Niemeier
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Your love for science fiction bleeds through every word you wrote. Be proud that you’ve taken decisive, positive action on behalf of your beloved genre. To the anti-Puppies: Are these the fans you spoke of? Know your betters and crouch, CHORFs! Incidentally, I agree with most of your opinions on the nominated works. Our experiences reading Skin Game were identical. Jim Butcher and KJA have been overlooked for far too long. I’m honored to have sounded the alarm that called you (and others) to action. As a member of my audience, it’s a solemn obligation–and a joy–to serve you hand… Read more »
anonme
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Thanks! It means a lot.

I also look forward to the day that Daddy Warpig can work out the kinks with the network of hamster wheels he has for a computer, and the can with bailing twine that is his microphone, so Geek Gab can come back.

Kathryn
Guest

Completely agree with you on Three Body Problem and big ideas, and that’s why I put it first as well.

Reality Observer
Guest

Welcome back. Except for Baen, it was pretty thin gruel for me, too. Then I discovered many more writers when SP blew up.

I didn’t put it at #1 – but still loved Three Body Problem for the same reasons that you posted. Some of the issues were translation – which is extremely hard to do well. Others, though, were more cultural – it was written for a Chinese audience, not a Western one. Individuals just aren’t the focal point as much as they are in Western writing.

Neil
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“The fact that instead of words like good, fun, memorable, inspiring, exciting, or imaginative you need to use terms like “gender-deconstruction” or “metafiction” to describe them might be an indicator that you’re the one out of touch with what people actually like to read.” But Larry, *some of us actually like to read this stuff*. Sorry, man, if I wanted a book as shallow as a puddle and *actually* about robots beating each other up, I’d play a video game. Or, you know, maybe read pulp. Variety is interesting. It’s bizarre how something that’s disinteresting to you is somehow…wrong. What… Read more »
Joe in PNG
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Lemme explain something. “You foolish proles don’t understand my brilliance!!” has been the cry of pretty much every talent free hack in pretty much every artistic field since ever. In times past, this talentless crap was pretty much mocked and left behind. However, for some strange reason, it has become the mark of the pseudo intellectual to pretend to like this rubbish- provided some authority tells you that it is the hip thing to do. Usually because the “artist” is connected, and is part of some hip, politically correct theoretic school. But the result isn’t art, but rather unpleasantness meant… Read more »
Shadowdancer
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David Eddings made a point of making the talent free artist-wannabe hack the most hilarious ineffectual villain he came up with. The fact that the book it features in came in the nineties makes me now wonder if that was a not-so-veiled shot at the self-declared intelligentisia who are now ‘the man’ of today.

matthew
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Just reread the Elenium and now on Belgarath the Sorcerer. Which villain are you referencing?

Shadowdancer
Guest

In case there are some folks reading this who haven’t read the Tamuli; a certain Zoro-wannabe who goes around ‘oppressing the oppressed, wronging rights and generally making an ass of himself.’ Complete with the epic fail trumpeting fanfare and theatrics that nearly have Stragen laughing himself off his horse.

mousekt
Guest

I clearly need to re-read the Tamuli.

Matthew
Guest

Adding Tamuli to my reread pile…

richard mcenroe
Guest

Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore,
Dum dum dum de nye,
Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore,
Dum dum dum de nye!
He robs from the poor,
And gives to the rich,
Silly bitch…!