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Fisking the Deseret News’ anti-CCW article

So my local paper ran a really dumb anti-CCW editorial. It was so riddled with nonsense, distortions, and falsehoods that it was just begging for a fisking. As usual, the original is in italics and my comments are in bold.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865613500/Utah-gun-law-that-canceled-USU-speech-is-an-embarrassment.html

In our opinion: Utah gun law that canceled USU speech is an embarrassment

The only embarrassment here is the dreck that passes for writing at the Deseret News now.

The inability of Utah State University to impose reasonable protections for a speaker who had received death threats is more than just an embarrassment to the state. It is alarming.

No. It isn’t, and we’ll get to why later. This is typical breathless editorial speak, used by the willfully manipulative to sway the useful idiots. When you start breaking down the actual facts it is neither alarming nor embarrassing. It is Utah following the rule of law as opposed to the freak out cause of the day.

It should not, however, be surprising, especially to anyone who remembers the struggles a decade ago over Utah’s loose concealed permit carrier law.

I remember the “struggles” rather well. In fact I’m one of the people that testified against the University of Utah’s highly paid lobbyist in front of the Justice Committee at the State Legislature.  Like this editorial, all he could do was appeal to raw emotion and wishful thinking.

It’s time to revisit that law and allow schools the freedom to protect the public.

Let’s see… Historically, what has protected the public better? Law abiding types carrying firearms for personal defense, or No Guns Allowed signs?  Think hard.

Rather than repeat myself, here is an essay where I broke down in great detail why Utah allowing concealed weapon permit holders to carry firearms inside of schools makes sense. I wrote it after Sandy Hook, and it has become one of the most widely read essays on the topic of gun control there is.

http://monsterhunternation.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

Basically, whenever they start talking about “protecting the public” their ideas usually do the exact opposite.

It’s time Utah law stood up for safety, not the empowerment of bullies.

I’m curious about the definition of “bullies” here. A loaded term. You couldn’t possibly mean the public speaker who demanded a state change its policies to suit her ill-informed opinions on safety, and when she didn’t get her way—even though a suitable work around was readily, legally, available—instead asked for a boycott of the entire state until they gave in to her whims?

A decade ago, the University of Utah decided to continue enforcing a 25-year-old campus ban on firearms despite a new law that made concealed weapons fair game at schools.

A state institution having to obey state law? Crazy.

That resulted in a lawsuit that ended in 2006 when the Utah Supreme Court ruled the university had no authority to impose a policy contrary to state law.

Yep. It was a very sad day when the U discovered that despite wasting tons of tax payer and tuition money on a case that basically consisted of screaming Academic Freedom over and over again, our state constitution still applied to them.

The university — the only institution of higher learning in Utah willing to carry the fight — next tried to lobby and work with lawmakers to craft a compromise.

Their “compromise” was just their same old illegal ban in a fancy new wrapper. We exposed it for what it was and defeated it.

What they ended up with was a 2007 law that allows any student living in a dormitory to specify that he or she does not wish to room with a concealed weapon permit holder — nothing more.

Yep. Because before that their suggestions included things like declaring whatever building they wanted off limits at any time (which quickly turned into All of Them).  They had a long wish list of restrictions to make CCW so incredibly cumbersome and difficult to legally comply with that it would have been a de facto ban.

This wasn’t just about students either. It also affected everyone that worked for the university as well. Professors, employees, clerks, didn’t matter. They were out of luck.

Churches, it should be noted, also expressed concern over the law and, unlike schools, were allowed to publicly declare their own no-guns policies.

The finer points of law elude the Deseret News. Our CCW law treats different types of property in different manners. Churches are private property. A private university would be private property. The University of Utah is owned by the state and paid for with tax payer funds.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which owns this newspaper, subsequently registered its no-gun position.

As a Mormon and a professional writer, it offends me that my church owns a newspaper that sucks this badly.

The church issued a statement asking us not to carry guns at church, but then left it up to the discretion of the local bishops. In the decade since the only time my CCW has ever been of concern to any of my bishops was when one wanted to know if I was prepared to shoot a bear (long story, but yes, obviously).

The issue, both then and now, is not about the wisdom of allowing people who have passed special courses to legally carry a concealed weapon. This makes sense under the Second Amendment to the Constitution, although it should not apply under all circumstances and it is a myth to believe the issuance of such a permit is a guarantee against crime.

Wow. There’s a lot of BS in that paragraph. He pays lip service to the Second Amendment, then immediately says to infringe the one that says it shouldn’t be infringed. Also, nobody believes that a permit is a guarantee against crime. That’s a straw man. Trust me, I taught the Utah CCW course to thousands, and nobody thinks of their handgun as a cross that wards off vampires.

No, the issue is common sense.

Common sense suggests that it is a lot harder to commit mass murder when your targets can shoot back.

Anita Sarkeesian was scheduled to speak about how women are portrayed in popular media, and especially in video games.

I’ve never gotten into GamerGate here on the blog, but basically Anita Sarkeesian is a professional victim, Social Justice Warrior, who thinks you are enjoying yourself wrong, and if you disagree you are a racist, homophobic, misogynist.

If you are a regular blog reader who followed Sad Puppies at all, same thing, same crusaders, same song, different industry.

Late Monday, someone sent an email to about a dozen USU offices threatening a deadly massacre if she were allowed to speak. It threatened “the deadliest school shooting in American history.”

As somebody who has gotten lots of death threats, anybody who sends a death threat is scum. They are vermin.

However, they are also a fact of life on the internet, and if you have enough of an audience and take a stand for anything, you will receive threats against your life. That big gun control blog post I linked above? That one had a million readers in the first month and got me on Huckabee. I had several “caring liberals” threaten to murder my entire family over that one.

Any moron with an internet connection can send a threat. The last thing you want to do is publicize these things. The people sending the threats are losers seeking attention. By publishing their threats far and wide and cancelling events, you’ve given them power.

School officials and law enforcement said they determined the threat was not credible, but that really didn’t matter.

Hold on… The TRUTH didn’t matter?

It wasn’t just the USU police, but the FBI that specialize in internet crimes that said this threat was bunk. Hell, I’m not exactly a cybercrimes expert, but I read it and scoffed. It was written like it came from somebody whose knowledge of weapons and violence came from reading the newspaper (hint, actual gun experts don’t talk about their “semi-automatic” weapons).

Not to mention they tracked it back to originating in Brazil, so he’d have to fly to another continent, catch another flight to Utah, and last time I looked the TSA frowns on pipe bombs in your carry-on luggage. So logistically after he comes to another hemisphere, he could try to illegally procure weapons as a non-resident or procure bomb materials on unfamiliar territory, without attracting attention, all while planning an attack on new ground in a very short period of time, and then pull it off in a place where the audience can shoot him.

Since I’m guessing this guy isn’t Frank Castle, I wouldn’t lose too much sleep over it.  

Under Utah law, Utah State University had no choice but to let people with permits carry guns into the hall, and they had no mechanism for determining who had such a permit and who was, in fact, carrying a weapon.

Wow… No. Does anybody fact check anything in these things? There are several mistakes here.

First off, USU did have a choice because there is a provision in the law for a normally open to the public establishment to temporarily become a Secure Facility. The legislature worked this out with the US Secret Service prior to presidential and vice presidential visits. The facility may be secured, and CCW prohibited, provided that admission is controlled, and lockers are provided for any guests who are carrying firearms so that they can safely store their weapons. Then they control the entrance and exits. That usually means guards and metal detectors.

USU chose not to go this route because the FBI said the threat was bunk.

Next error, there is no mechanism for determining who had a permit? Uh… It is a little laminated red card with your picture on it you carry in your wallet like a driver’s license or any other state issued ID. If you want to make sure a permit is legit, you can call the Utah Bureau of Criminal Identification and they can tell you if a permit is valid or not in a couple of seconds. Gun dealers do this every time they sell a gun in Utah to a permit holder when the buyer fills out a 4473 form for the BATF. Hell, the database is online! Police can access it whenever they want.

And another problem, he says there is no mechanism for determining who is in fact carrying a weapon… Think about that critically for a moment.  There is no way to know if the hypothetical mass murderer is carrying a weapon either, because he sure as hell isn’t going to tell you, and he’s certainly not going to decide to call it a day and not go commit the couple hundred felonies he had planned because of your No Guns Allowed sign.

News flash, the people who get permits aren’t the ones you need to worry about.

Sarkeesian, who said she has spoken in the face of death threats elsewhere, canceled her speech, citing concern over that law.

And then Sarkeesian called for all of her followers to boycott the state of Utah.

So give into the demands of a professional victim, or continue to protect our children from mass murder… tough call.

Common sense would dictate that a university could prohibit weapons and set up metal detectors at an event that has been targeted with death threats.

USU actually had the option of doing just that and creating a legal Secure Facility, but they chose to listen to the FBI, save their money, and not hassle their students and faculty instead. Go Aggies.

If an armed officer were present, this would be a much more effective counter to any attack than the crossfire of multiple weapons carriers.

Oh bull crap. So in the last decade of us allowing guns in schools, do you have any examples of these terrible Wild West style crossfire shootouts between multiple permit holders in Utah? Heck, expand it beyond Utah. Of the millions and millions of permit holders out there, do you have any examples of these hypothetical mistaken identity crossfires?

Crickets.

Not that any of this would actually matter, because come on… why the hell would somebody smart, capable, and wise enough to take the necessary steps to carry a gun to provide for their own safety want to listen to a professional victim feminist whine about gamers for an hour? I’ve got a gut feeling that hall would be the closest thing to a gun free zone on campus that day regardless.

As far as armed officers being present, I would suspect that the USU police would have an officer present at any large speaking engagement, especially one with any sort of potential for conflict of any sort.

But common sense has been brushed aside.

You keep using the term, but last time I checked “wishful thinking” and “emotionally laden nonsense” weren’t synonyms with “common sense”. If you say something stupid and then call it common sense, that doesn’t make it sensible. It is still stupid. Sort of like “social justice” or “economic fairness”.  

For whatever reason, the gaming community has attracted an element that threatens to kill feminists.

And Social Justice Warriors have attracted an element that threaten to kill conservative authors. Cry me a river.

Such threats should not be taken lightly,

I’m doing a book signing at the U of U bookstore on Halloween day. Since these are Larry Correia fans, I’m assuming there will be so many concealed weapons there that it will be like the opposite of a gun free zone, and probably the safest place on campus.  🙂

nor should arguments that a room full of people with concealed weapons is a deterrent to a deranged criminal be given credence.

A room full of people with concealed weapons isn’t a deterrent to committing violent crime? Maybe if your bad guy is on a kamikaze mission.  And hate to break it to you, but if that’s what you’re up against, he isn’t going to give a crap about your cops or metal detectors either. For anybody else not trying to commit suicide, getting shot a couple dozen times by bystanders is usually a pretty strong deterrent. That’s why mass shooters keep attacking gun free zones instead of shooting ranges or police stations. I go into great detail on that point in the above link, so basically let me say that paragraph is one of the most willfully ignorant piles of dreck I’ve ever had the displeasure of fisking.

Utah lawmakers need to change this silly and potentially dangerous law.

That’s the beauty of having fifty states. If you don’t like this one, feel free to pack your stuff and go to one of the other ones more to your liking. Utah actually loves our kids, so we don’t feel like making it easier for psychopaths to kill large numbers of them to placate your angst.

 

 

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282 Comments on "Fisking the Deseret News’ anti-CCW article"


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JR
1 year 7 months ago

I think I shall purchase one of your books as thanks for this article. Plus, it’ll piss of a liberal.

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Jim McCoy
1 year 7 months ago

Selling books makes Larry more money and that keeps him writing. As a fan who likes to read what he writes, I’m not going to argue with anyone’s reason for buying one of his books.

That much boing said, you might want to buy one because it’s freaking awesome as well. Or at least read it if you do buy one. They’re worth your time for sure. Then you can tell all your friends how much ass they kick and they can buy some too!

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Radioactive
1 year 7 months ago

when asked if you would shoot a bear, are you sure it wasn’t whether you’d shoot bare?

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Bruce
1 year 7 months ago

Please, no! Think of the children! 🙂

Seriously, shooting bare can be dangerous. My sister was shooting a USPSA club match with her 1911 one night and had a .45 case go down the front of her blouse. I was rolling on the floor, everybody else was looking at her like she was crazy (I saw what happened, they didn’t), as she was jerking on the front of her blouse trying to dislodge the case while running between stages. It left burn marks…

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Khazlek
1 year 7 months ago

In that case, the clothing probably increased the contact time between hot brass and skin, though I would guess that a clothes with a tighter neck would be better than bare.

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1 year 7 months ago

Most female shooters learn quickly not to wear a low blouse while pistol shooting. Always for the same reason.

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Honey
1 year 7 months ago

I’ve had one go down the back of my ACU blouse. It’s a hazard under any circumstances, just more so with certain cuts. I would think that bare would at least get it off your skin faster.

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1 year 7 months ago

I have had brass go down my shirt as well. But wearing a low top while shooting is just begging for it.

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Brian
1 year 7 months ago

I’ve had shells bounce off of the lane barrier at the range and drop in my shirt pocket more than a few times. Once I got a scorched nipple and that wasn’t any fun at all. 🙁

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1 year 7 months ago

I often head to the range wearing an aloha shirt. If brass does find it’s way in, it just keeps on going. I seem to have more issue with the neighboring lanes brass bouncing of my head. I think that is an appeasement issue within the Peoples Republic of California for allowing us to shoot at all. I deal with this type of thinking in this article on a daily basis.

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1 year 7 months ago

Ugh, Off head, not of head.

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Got a .45 case lodged between my eyeglasses and my eyelid once. Owie.

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Eamon J. Cole
1 year 7 months ago

The fisking (as usual) was far superior to the source material.

But, man, that was some remarkably thin gruel they were spooning out.

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Dan Lane
1 year 7 months ago

Agreed. I get the feeling that the quality of the opposition has fallen off a bit in the last thirty years or so. At least thirty, more than that I’ve less clear memory of and must rely on historical texts.

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Expendable Henchman
1 year 7 months ago

Quantity has a quality all of it’s own.

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AuricTech
7 months 9 days ago

Indeed. This wasn’t even Proof by Vigorous Assertion. This was more Proof by Insipid, Flaccid Assertion.

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NKR
1 year 7 months ago

Boom! Nicely done, Larry!

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1 year 7 months ago

Well you could always read the Tribune instead

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1 year 7 months ago

Based.

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1 year 7 months ago

I think I need to move to Utah.

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B
1 year 7 months ago

Here’s something that will salve those horrible cisnormative wounds Anita endures every day:

https://squareup.com/market/liartownusa/social-justice-kitten-calendar

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1 year 7 months ago
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1 year 7 months ago

Their description of the weeding out kittens with problematic views made me laugh.

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1 year 7 months ago

Why is it that people who major in literary analysis and criticism and deconstruction like the original editorialist are completely incapable of any such thing?

They should demand refunds on their tuition because it ain’t workin’.

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Jared Anders
1 year 7 months ago

Surprisingly enough it is still possible to get a degree in literature and still be rational. I got one not too long ago from the University Larry will be signing at on Halloween.

I’m pretty sure all of my teachers were liberal, but they were those rare birds that actually respect different opinions and ideas.

Heck, my mentor was an avowed atheist (lower-case a mind you) yet we could still have long discussions about religion, disagreeing the whole time, and still have a pleasant conversation. Granted, he was also the professor who taught classes on sci-fi books and recommended video games to me.

In Utah at least our demographics result in our liberals either being more moderate than most or a lot more left-wing, It doesn’t hurt that the national level Dems rarely do anything here, they consider us a lost cause.

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Shawna
1 year 7 months ago

I got a lit degree too, not so much because it’s useful but more because it allowed me to take entire courses on things like Tolkien or sci-fi. I did get very annoyed at the way that literary criticism digs beyond the subtle meaning of works, digging entirely through the work into something that isn’t the work at all. In college, I learned two major things about literary criticism:
1. If you’re good, you can take any work at all and interpret it through any lens at all (feminism, Marxism, Christianity, whatever) and come up with some sort of essay about it.
2. After a certain (fairly early) point, literary criticism says far less about the literary work than it does about the person doing the critiquing.
(I just thought of a third: if a work really does have as many layers of meaning as literary critics pretend, it’s probably a big pile of utter nonsense.)

I wrote a short play in college that I intended as a sort of allegory about Christianity and the need for God. But I didn’t tell anyone what it was about until after the last performance. It was really interesting seeing the different interpretations people had for it. And the liberal students/teacher’s reaction to my explanation of the play they’d just put on.

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Dan Lane
1 year 7 months ago

”In Utah at least our demographics result in our liberals either being more moderate than most or a lot more left-wing, It doesn’t hurt that the national level Dems rarely do anything here, they consider us a lost cause.”

The Liberal mindset is one of greed, envy, and hate. When there’s relatively little there for them to envy, they tend to ignore you (fortunately). They tend to build their hives in cities. The infestation spreads from there.

Here in the South, we live in some of the most beautiful country in the world, in my humble opinion (though I might just be biased). The town I was born in was voted something like fourth or fifth best location for a conservative. Other than the natural beauty, there’s little wealth to attract the grasshoppers.

Of course, with tractor pulls, NASCAR, staunch Southern values (and Southern courtesy), lots of churches with folks of both devout and quiet faith, bluegrass and country music, and utter lack of race consciousness, it might be that our brand of cultural “bug spray” is working…

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Jared Anders
1 year 7 months ago

Yeah. That was awesome. The funny thing is, despite being a hard-core gamer I had been trying very hard not to get involved in gamergate, for my own health mostly, but also because I wasn’t sure it could actually accomplish anything.

What has got me to start posting stuff about it and arguing for it wasn’t (directly) the pro-gg people, but all the vile crap put forth by the anti crowd.

I mean, look at the interviews Magnatron did – same questions to a pro and anti-gger, picked for their prominent status in each group.

http://mangotron.com/pro-vs-anti-gamergate-two-interviews/

Calm, reasoned discourse from one, hyperbolic hypocritical bile from the other. I’ll let you guess which was which.

You know what, I have all of your books already, most in paperback and ebook, but I’m sure I can find someone to give a signed copy of MHI to. See you on Halloween. I’m sure I’ll feel quite safe.

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1 year 7 months ago

Being a gamer girl myself, I’ve also been avoiding the whole gg thing. I’ve been a gamer since I was a little kid and I can honestly say I’ve never felt left out as a girl gamer. Of course, I’ve never couched my entire life in terms of my private parts (especially as a kid), so it never occurred to me to be offended that it was Mario and Luigi instead of Mario and Maria. Even now I just can’t find it in me to be offended that there aren’t tons of games with female leads.

And, to be honest, it seems to me in what little gg crap I have seen the only women who are shrieking about misogyny in gaming culture aren’t even gamers themselves; it’s just another SJW cause they can jump on as feminists to keep the professional victim train rolling.

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Jared Anders
1 year 7 months ago

Its fun watching the anti-gg crowd trying so hard to ‘not notice’ the Not Your Shield group. (For those who haven’t seen it – Not Your Shield is the twitter # used for the women and minorities in gaming who are sick of the crap and sick of the people using them as a way to deflect criticism by claiming its all just misogyny or racism)

Just look at who each side has as their most prominent voices. GG has Adam Baldwin, Milo Yiannopoulos, (who isn’t a gamer and has been critical of the group in the past) and the ever pleasant and reasonable Christina Hoff Sommers, host of the “Factual Feminist” video series. Yeah. A hardcore 60s liberal feminist and one of the most conservative guys in Hollywood. (Though they’re trying to paint Sommers as a neocon because, while stridently feminist, she disagrees vocally with the current third wave feminists as being anti-men rather than actually feminist)

They have the ‘journalists’ that show their ethics by openly mocking and bullying their target audience, saying things like GG proves that nerds _need_ to be bullied into their place and that Adam Baldwin performs lewd acts on goats.

Oh, and John Scalzi. They have him too.

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1 year 7 months ago

Yeah, it’s never fun having somebody who represents everything you despise claim they are representing you. I’m not a fan of being anybody’s prop. Especially when I’m being used by people who would line me up against a wall and shoot me if it was legal and they didn’t need me for their latest cause du jour.

Though I do agree, it’s hilarious watching people willfully ignore entire groups because they aren’t playing along with the narrative. Even better is when those people claim to be oh-so-concerned about you and then turn into the most racist/misogynist bastards ever when you won’t get down on your knees and thank them for deigning to fight the BS battle for you.

And really, if John Scalzi is the best they’ve got… hahahahahahahaha!

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1 year 7 months ago

What I find most amusing about the current gaming contretemps is that it wasn’t all that long ago that some of the very same people talking about rampant sexism/racism in gaming culture were using the idea of male gamers playing using female characters/avatars is because they were “experimenting with alternate gender rolls” (back in the “end default binary gender” thing).

I’ll be honest, I use female characters/avatars for the same reason my home computer’s desktop consists of “cheesecake” pictures (not porn or even nudity–after all my 10 year old daughter uses that computer): If I’m going to spend as much time as I do staring at my computer, it’s going to be pleasant to look at.

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Jared Anders
1 year 7 months ago

I just had an interesting thought. Now gamers are *actually* a really diverse group – politically, economically, socially. That said the group I think of when you ask for a demographic that has a really high percentage of gamers is the military.

I wonder if the SJW types that make up the majority of the game journalists realize this? They already hate the military so going from there to hating their actual friggin audience because there are a lot of military guys and gals in it isn’t far fetched. It even fits with their cries of racism, accusations they make against the military all the time despite it being about the stupidest one they make. Gamers as a whole get a lot more exposure to other groups and peoples due to the nature of online interactions, but its not in person, while the military has you round the clock among every type of person and background imaginable.

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Jared Anders
1 year 7 months ago

Personally I do play about as many female characters as male, but for me its an even more basic reason – I’m sill only an S list author on Larry’s scale, so one of the things I do with games is use them as opportunities to try and get in the head of as many different types of characters as possible. Other times when the deciding question of male/female for a particular game is “which makes for the more interesting story.”

And then there are games like Star Wars the Old Republic or Mass Effect where I just play through it both ways to see how it influences things.

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I only play one online game myself, MechwarriorOnline. The two prominent female MWO gamers I’m aware of (basically the No Guts, No Galaxy! circle), pretty much have cult followings. I’m sure there are other female players, but hostility seems to be the last response towards them.

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1 year 7 months ago

as much as I hate to take you away from real writing, I’d like to hear the bear story…

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Khazlek
1 year 7 months ago

OK, what does one conceal if a bear is in the list of anticipated threats?

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1 year 7 months ago

Sawed-off .416 Rigby double rifle. BOOM baby!

I’d be afraid to shoot it though. Can you imagine the recoil? Owie.

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.460 S&W snubnose. Okay, a 4 lb. snubnose, but still…

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1 year 7 months ago

Somehow I knew you’d get around to saying something about that POS passing as an informed opinion piece. Bravo! If only you could respond to the idiots in the comments (I got through maybe 10 before I had to find something else to read; something about being exposed to rampant stupidity makes me want to ram my head into the corner of a desk to stop the pain).

In any case, I shall be at your booksigning with my copy of MHN. And thanks for your roll in making the U obey the law. Gives me warm fuzzies to know I’ll be surrounded by people literally bristling with semi-automatic self protection tools. Could you even imagine what would happen if the idiot that robbed the U store were to show up that day? I think I’d react a lot like Tony Shaloub in Galaxy Quest when he transported the rock monster into the room with the bad guys (“It’s the little things in life you treasure”).

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1 year 7 months ago

you made it through 10 comments? my hats off to you. I didn’t make it through 5 before I wanted hit someone upside the head with 2×4

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1 year 7 months ago

I think I only managed it because there was one in the middle that was not anti-gun and it gave me hope there would be other sane commenters. After a few more I had to give up to avoid losing IQ points.

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Bruce
1 year 7 months ago

Gun Free Zones == Victim Assembly Areas

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Book
1 year 7 months ago

Yup. That’s why I refuse to go to gun free zones. Don’t want to get shot.

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1 year 7 months ago

Over at the Kratskellar, the Lt. Col. was talking about gun free zones today. You might find it interesting.

As for this editorial, it illustrates why you need to check original sources. The paper flat out lied.

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1 year 7 months ago

1. The village idiot at the Deseret News needs to look up the meaning of common sense. It does not mean what she thinks it means.
2. Gamergate – If video games that met all of the social justice warrior demands would actually sell, the game companies would sell them. I do have to say that some of the game companies replies to requests from female fans often leave a LOT to be desired. It really is not asking to much to have a female avatar option for a game.But, I like to use Marvel vs. DC for an example in this. DC – You want a movie with a female superhero? We don’t think a a Wonder Woman movie would sell. Marvel – You want a movie with a female superhero? Sure, we think Black Widow would be good. Let’s see what other characters would be good. Oh, in the meantime, we will make a TV show with Peggy Carter as the lead.

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Skip
1 year 7 months ago

Are you willing to pay more for a game that contains female avatars? OK with it taking a few months longer, or trading off, say 4 multiplayer maps? I suspect if you surveyed the folks who play the games the answer would be a resounding no on all questions.

The art and animations are the primary development cost for a modern shooter, doubling the number of avatar animations needed is a non-trivial cost.

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1 year 7 months ago

as a gamer…I’m going to say something that will probably piss you off and say that sounds a lot like a cop out. if it were that much more expensive, Why are a couple of the most popular games out there based female or multiple female leads. Tomb Raider comes to mind for longest running off the top of my head.

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Shawna
1 year 7 months ago

In games where they make multiple male avatars, it can’t possibly more expensive to simply make one female. Where there is only one avatar, sure, it makes sense to just make it one gender, whichever they choose.

Disclaimer: I don’t actually play FPS games, and for the games that I do play, such as SWTOR, I usually play male avatars because, as a woman, I enjoy looking at/listening to attractive men. (Of my max level SWTOR characters, only 1 out of 5 is a woman.) Personally, I think of my avatars as individual characters, not representations of myself.

Actually, I also play Zelda games. Been a big fan since I was a kid. I love Link, but I really, really want to see a Zelda game where the player character is Zelda/Shiek, and the goal is to rescue Link (or possibly have Link as your sidekick/partner in saving the kingdom). I would play the crap out of that game.

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junior
1 year 7 months ago

Even most first person shooters offer avatars of both genders where appropriate. Having said that, also keep in mind that in most cases its very difficult to tell the avatars apart due to the gear and/or body armor that they’re wearing (aside from the voice), and the player never actually sees their own avatar outside of the occasional in-game mirror.

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Jared Anders
1 year 7 months ago

I’d put it another way. I’m less willing to pay money at all for a game that doesn’t put effort into having a variety of models/animations, without bringing gender into it at all.

Take the new Sims 4. I’ve paid a lot of money over the years for Sims 1-3, even though I mostly use the Sims games as a change of pace between RPGs and the other kinds of games I play.

I will not be buying the Sims 4. Why? Several reasons, but one of them is the fact that they cut corners on animation by making teens/young adults/adults/elders all have the exact same animations and the exact same height. That’s lazy and obnoxious, especially given their asking price.

I looked at a copy a friend had, and was rather disturbed by the fact that is actually quite trivial to make a character that is impossible to distinguish the teen appearance from adult. (Basically change the shoulders and have a bust that is b or smaller)

So… for FPS you may be right, but for RPGs or stuff like the Sims, not having it will sink the game.

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Shawna
1 year 7 months ago

I totally agree, Jared. Maybe I just wish that MMOs were more like RPGs, because variety in character design is very important to me in those games (and one reason I prefer SWTOR to WoW), and if anything, I wish they’d focus on it more.

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Stephen J.
1 year 7 months ago

“DC – You want a movie with a female superhero? We don’t think a a Wonder Woman movie would sell. Marvel – You want a movie with a female superhero? Sure, we think Black Widow would be good.”

To be fair, that’s partly because Black Widow is just a far more interesting character than Wonder Woman.

With respect to the hardcore WW fans out there, as a casual comics fan who only knows what’s leaked into general pop culture (and that’s pretty much the representative demographic production decisions are based on, even now), Wonder Woman just doesn’t, to me, seem to have that resonant a background or personality, not compared to Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Wolverine or the Avengers. Off the top of my head, I can’t name any of her “supporting cast” or “rogues’ gallery” except the rather bland and forgettable Steve Trevor as a never-quite-boyfriend, who had to be a bland and forgettable never-quite-boyfriend so as to guarantee she would never be overshadowed, and the war god Ares as a villain who is almost always painted in a by-now-rather-outdated chauvinist cast in order to make WW’s feminism look good — which is not to say that’s not a point worth making, only that it has already been made over and over again. And giving Wonder Woman the kind of internal conflict, painful sacrifice or self-doubt that enriches Clark Kent’s or Bruce Wayne’s emotional depth as characters would be very hard to pull off without the very people most demanding of a WW movie reacting in outrage at “weakening” the character, I think. WW’s problem is that she as a character was created first and foremost as a conscious feminist icon, and humanizing her to the degree a successful movie needs without weakening her is a very tricky balance that I don’t see many writers pulling off.

Black Widow, by contrast, comes with her character conflict built in. Here is somebody who is not invulnerable, who knows what it is to be afraid and lonely, who grew up as a human among humans, whose relationship problems come not from who she is but what she’s done, and who is trying desperately to make amends against both her own instincts and the seriousness of her actual deeds. And, of course, she has the advantage of being played by Scarlett Johansson, who is an excellent actress over and above her eye-candy quotient. Gal Gadot may surprise me, but I confess to a certain “show me” reaction there.

Now as I noted this criticism of WW is based on a lack of exposure due to shallower media penetration, so I am more than willing to learn from people who know the character better. But if I’m representative in this — and I think I am — then DC’s hesitancy may have more business sense behind it than we realize.

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1 year 7 months ago

Well, even if that ordinary human boyfriend is kept, just having somebody who is some sort of near goddess falling in love with a mortal man, and both trying to deal with her obviously dominant position compared to him – if we assume the guy is not a submissive but a very traditional manly man type – and the problems that could bring into the relationship would make for possibly interesting internal conflicts.

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The original Wonder Woman had a backstory, and it was Kink City, man, designed by a psychologist, William Moulton Marston, to push all manner of gender buttons, particularly B&D.

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1 year 7 months ago

My engagement with Wonder Woman was Lynda Carter, so I couldn’t possibly speak to the comics. My take on why no Wonder Woman movie was because of the people who most believed that we had to have one didn’t want one because it would be awesome, but because we were obligated to have one. So agree with you there. Some time ago I ran across someone tearing into Jos Whedon’s WW script treatment because Steve Trevor had to teach Diana how to be human… or something. My response: http://synova.blogspot.com/2014/04/why-no-wonder-woman-movie.html

” In other words, Diana isn’t feminist… she’s sexist.(…)…what people pushing for a Wonder Woman movie want is a ode to feminism… and that wouldn’t be right. For all that Wonder Woman could be used to frame an exploration of gender roles and preconceptions, it doesn’t work to do that flipping of perception unless the thing that Diana learns is that men are every bit as real as women are real.”

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1 year 6 months ago

If you want to see a good conflict for WW, pick up Kingdom Come. It’s worth reading just for the spectacular art, and it also showcases how to give the “boring, invincible” characters believable personal challenges and motivations.

It shouldn’t take too much to port a similar background to other media. The trouble is that not many folks other than people who consciously identify as feminists are actually interested in developing the character, so she ends up with that being the sole, constant issue being pushed.

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1 year 6 months ago

Interestingly… there’s an animated Wonder Woman movie where Steve Trevor makes the point to Wonder Woman that she needs to treat men like humans, too. (Neither of them are paragons of tolerance in that one and both learn and grow… shocking, I know. It’s not great film but it was fun.)

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1 year 7 months ago

I have to say, not being familiar with Utah law, I’d kind of stayed out of Anita’s decision to bail from speaking at U of U. Glad you did this, just so I know that Anita just wanted to grandstand a bit more. Really, that’s all that this was about.

Speaker gets death threats. It’s looked into by law enforcement. Both the school and law enforcement determined it wasn’t a credible threat, so then the speaker backs out of the engagement because the universe won’t bow down to her.

As for mass shooting at police stations, the only one I know of was fictional, and while it was ugly for the police, that was because the attacker was a freaking terminator.

Those are kind of a game changer.

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Matt B
1 year 7 months ago

To add to the list, I’ll note that poor Precinct 13 has been attacked twice now.

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1 year 7 months ago

How could I have forgotten the poor, downtrodden Precinct 13.

I mean, twice? They seriously need new “No Guns Allowed” signs.

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Jordan S. Bassior
1 year 6 months ago

I think Anita’s a coward, and someone who wants to play up her alleged “victim” status.

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1 year 6 months ago

Like so many others.

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Steve S
1 year 7 months ago

Enjoyable response.

I don’t understand the emotional reaction of some to guns in schools or universities. I expect this kind of drivel from anti gun people. At least, they are consistent. Where it surprises me is among people that should know better. I follow a libertarian leaning parenting blog. It is mostly followed by people that prize logic and they frequently ridicule things like “stranger danger” and other media driven, fear campaigns. The subject of allowing CPL holders to have guns in schools came out and people went nuts.

They were convinced that bystanders would be killed in shootouts or that teachers and staff would indiscriminately shoot at their students. Many threatened to home school their kids, rather then let them be in an environment where people were allowed to carry handguns. Logic didn’t matter. When asked to provide examples of kids being killed by CPL holders or teachers, the only example anyone could come up with was the teacher with the ND in the bathroom that injured no kids.

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Joshua
1 year 7 months ago

Hoplophobia is alive and well in Western civilization.

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1 year 7 months ago

David Kantrowitz…you forgot a smelter full of molten metal dude. how could you possibly forget that one? 😛

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bjlinden
1 year 7 months ago

Well, the smelter was from Terminator 2. The moral of THAT one was that the only thing that can stop a bad terminator with a gun is a good terminator with a gun.

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1 year 7 months ago

Mike Z said on FB that the newspaper is already “moderating” their comments. So not surprised.

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Pete
1 year 7 months ago

To be fair, the Deseret News has been forced to moderate their forums due to anti-mormon trolls who enjoy posting a lot of filth and dreck. Give them the benefit of a doubt when you see deleted/censored posts on their forums.

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Josiah
1 year 7 months ago

Only heard of Gamergate recently. I don’t follow gaming news and articles. Someone shared an article about her not doing her speech because of safety concerns, yadda yadda.

My response was,

“Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill ’em right back! Wife or no, you are no one’s property to be tossed aside. You got the right same as anyone to live and try to kill people.” – Malcolm Reynolds, Firefly

Much like the fictional character Mr. Reynolds, I am a feminist.

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1 year 7 months ago

Reblogged this on westfargomusings and commented:
Social Justice Warriors must be among the most ignorant people on the planet. I’m surprised they are able to hold a job, let alone one at a “newspaper”.

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PavePusher
1 year 7 months ago

The sooner the Deseret News facilities burn to the ground, the better off Utah will be.

Anyone know how to generate a severe electrical storm over a limited area?

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bjlinden
1 year 7 months ago

This is quite obviously a credible death threat, which clearly gives the Deseret News every right to have your house searched and have any weapons, flammable materials, or electrical equipment confiscated, as well as shutting down power to all buildings within several blocks around their facilities.

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1 year 7 months ago

Well, they’re still better than the Tribune …

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1 year 7 months ago

Talk about damning with faint praise!

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Blond_Engineer
1 year 7 months ago

Oh, how I’ve missed the fisking. I’ve actually been hoping someone would say/write something stupid enough to get your ire up. These brighten up my day so much, because they prove that while there might be a lot of idiots living in terrifying nightmare realms of gun massacres of innocent children and feminazis out there, there are also people who live in the real world where reasonable precautions and a little practical thinking make the whole world a little saner and a little safer.

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Shawna
1 year 7 months ago

These are always entertaining to read. Thanks for the reminder that not everyone in the world is an emotionally reactive idiot.

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Lea
1 year 7 months ago

I would probably be more sympathetic to this woman getting death threats if I knew who she was to be getting them.

As it is, she seems to be a bit of a drama queen.

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ofnir
1 year 6 months ago

Very much so. She makes feminist whine videos about video games. Sometimes she has a point, sometimes she doesn’t, and other times it’s obvious she has no clue what she’s talking about.

I made the mistake of pointing out some of the factual errors in her videos back before #gamergate. Got called a misogynist, homophobe, etc. and got the death threats by her gang of white knights. Like Larry said, that’s what happens when you get into online arguments. I just deleted the threats and moved on.

I did, however, just get called a terrorist by an acquaintance for not supporting #gamergate, but saying they did have some valid points. Apparently condemning threats on all sides, and agreeing with some substantive points means you’re Satan and orchestrating a campaign of terror or something.

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dgarsys
1 year 6 months ago

Sometimes she has a point, sometimes she doesn’t, and other times it’s obvious she has no clue what she’s talking about.

And sometimes, she simply makes shit up. Watch her piece on Hitman, that she uses as a picture-perfect example about how game dev and gamers are encouraged to punish women for expressing their sexuality.

In a game of 20-odd levels, ONE has s trip club involved. Very little of the level is in the club, and of the two routes yu can take past a certain point, only one leads past the dancers.

As a general mechanic, you are PENALIZED for attacking non-related innocents (you can actually see her score go down when they are attacked in the video). Yes, that includes the dancers.

I’ve looked and cannot find an instance of a walkthrough attacking the girls, for the LULZ or any other stupid reason. Only in hers ( I suspect she went out of her way to set that up) Even of they do exist, they are not common or popular.

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ofnir
1 year 6 months ago

dgarsys, oh, I as being overly generous. The thing that got me the death threats was criticizing the “woman in the fridge” rant she went off on. She included Lords of Shadow as a game that glorifies the revenge quest; but /spoilers/ seeing as it destroys Belmont and makes him into Dracula, effectively the prime evil on earth, her point is kinda undermined by including it.

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1 year 6 months ago

but /spoilers/ seeing as it destroys Belmont and makes him into Dracula,

Reminds me of some of the “feminist” ranting about The Avengers, specifically that Loki said some bad things to Black Widow that were viewed as sexist (I believe the term “mewling quim” was involved). Apparently they forgot that Loki was the bad guy. He’s supposed to do “bad things” and this part was simply to show 1) that Loki really is bad and 2) how utterly awesome Black Widow is (given how that scene ended).

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1 year 6 months ago

Remember, it’s fine to try and enslave all of humanity. It’s quite another thing to say non-PC approved things.

The latter makes you true evil. The first? That just makes you a progressive. 😀

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Patrick
1 year 7 months ago

Larry Corriea: “I’m doing a book signing at the U of U bookstore on Halloween day. Since these are Larry Correia fans, I’m assuming there will be so many concealed weapons there that it will be like the opposite of a gun free zone, and probably the safest place on campus. 🙂 ”

Larry I propose an experiment. Like that restaurant that was in the news recently offering discounts to concealed carry holders in their restaurant, I say, anyone that shows up and shows you their CCW you offer to let them buy a MHI patch on the spot. They wouldn’t have to carry in evidence or show their gun (no need to spook the horses either by flashing). I ‘d be willing to say you get a good 30%.

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1 year 7 months ago

I went to Larry’s book signing in Minneapolis on July 3rd. I was definitely carrying and I doubt I was the only one. I would have loved to buy an MHI patch or a challenge coin!

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1 year 7 months ago

This is what we should be doing with GamerGate, SFF and tech: radical feminists are constantly pushing for anti-harassment policies at conventions; it is one of the things they never shut up about.

Recently John Scalzi proudly blogged about a sign at the New York Comic Con. That sign read in part:

“We have a ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY for harassment of any kind… in relation to, but not limited to: Race * Color… * Gender * Gender Identity.”

In fact, social justice warriors harass humans based on being white, men and heterosexuals 24/7 in the tech, SF and video-gaming communties rather than addressing issues. This is the real issue with Anita Sarkeesian. If she addressed her issues in human terms, she wouldn’t be getting such pushback. It’s as if Jews were blamed for movie violence rather than talking about it as a human failing. The social justice warriors say straight white men are the problem and so who do they expect to push back when that is who they target – gays? Non-whites? Jews?

The harassment and profiling is racist: whites are said to be motivated by racial bigotry but never non-whites, no matter what. The harassment and profiling is sexist: men are motivated by misogyny but women never motivated by misandry. The harassment and profiling is genderphobic: heterosexuals are motivated by homophobia but gay folks never by heterophobia.

There in fact is no zero tolerance policy and there should be at comic and SF conventions, webzines and gamer magazines. Too often the problems social justice warriors describe are written off as one of simply being white, a man or heterosexual. On Twitter, magazines, convention panels and blogs the comments about men, whites and heterosexuals are off-the-charts offensive while using a vulgar slang term or the word “lady,” or even writing a novel about Thailand is considered enrollment in a man-hating KKK. No one is dumb enough to swallow that double standard but if you don’t you’re a misogynist homophobic racist.

Get on Twitter and ask the social justice warrirors for a hate speech/harassment policy about racial and sexual profiling, why they violate their own policies and why they support the worst racists among them. For all the bleating about women being harassed online, the premeditated institutional sanctioning of the harassment of men and whites from members of the Science Fiction Writers of America, WisCon, World Con and gamer magazines is overwhelming. Time to start asking some hard questions about the principles behind law and fair play and who the real KKK in all this is.

When you have 100 racist and sexist quotes from tech, SFF and gamer writers for every one the other way, which side is the KKK side becomes obvious. There is simply no reason for gamer articles to continually mention the word “white” or “men” as if that in and of itself explains everything anymore than “Arab” explains terrorism, “women” stupidity” or “black” crime, a thing you’ll notice the social justice warriors never EVER do. That kind of profiling is strictly reserved for straight white men and that right there tells you who and what the social justice warriors are really feeding on. They are not interested in diversity or problem-solving but in cashing in on or promoting their own bigotry.

And standing tall behind all this is the insane cult of radical feminism which openly and publicly maintains the moral and spiritual inferiority of men, whites and heterosexuals. Such a view is the default doctrine of the Science Fiction Writers of America to name just one institution.

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1 year 7 months ago

Anita Sarkeesian is infamous for having one post sock puppets make death threats against her, vanish mysteriously, and then she starts fund-raising to “combat” these death threats.

Any claim of a death-threat by Anita should be roundly ignored.

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Ted N
1 year 7 months ago

My money is on this being another sock puppet, just bounced through a Brazilian ip.

And when they get caught and called out as the liars they are, they’ll scream that somebody was thinking it, just because it was faked doesn’t mean it’s not real, or some other broken twisted tumblr logic.

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NR Pax
1 year 7 months ago

You forgot the other one. “I wanted to open a dialogue about discrimination and harassment.”

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Jordan S. Bassior
1 year 6 months ago

Anita has obviously never heard either of “the boy who cried wolf,” or of copycats. This is a dangerous strategy on her part, for those reasons.

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Joshua
1 year 7 months ago

Anita Sarkeesian has cried wolf a few times already. If these were credible threats, then report them to the police, not on your Twitter feed. Oh, what’s that you say?

I thought so. They weren’t credible death threats, just sympathy bait. Are you going to send this fisk to the paper? It’d be great to see if they print it. After all, you’re a somewhat well-known local SME.

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1 year 7 months ago

You keep using the term, but last time I checked “wishful thinking” and “emotionally laden nonsense” weren’t synonyms with “common sense”.

The inevitable “Inigo Montoya Moment” (or moments, usualy moments. Lots of them) of any leftist rant.

Of course, they just want some “sensible” (there’s one” “common sense” (there’s another) restrictions on “irresponsible” (and one more) use of guns, right? No one actually wants to take our guns, right?

http://thewriterinblack.blogspot.com/2014/09/nobody-wants-to-take-your-guns.html

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NKR
1 year 7 months ago

Wow! Your list has really grown since the last time I saw it. Good work!

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1 year 7 months ago

Um…While I love the fisk, Larry, isn’t this something like shooting gnats with a cannon? If your goal is to make big holes in things it works well, but this gnat is way below your level.

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1 year 7 months ago

Well, it’s Larry’s local paper. Gotta keep your backyard clean!

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Lea
1 year 7 months ago

Is the local paper really owned by the church? Did I read that right? Must be a utah thing.

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junior
1 year 7 months ago

I’m not sure how the ownership of the Deseret News works out, but I’m pretty sure that the LDS Church doesn’t directly manage it.

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1 year 7 months ago

The DN is generally considered to be the LDS print mouthpiece.

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Albert
1 year 7 months ago

Well, you have to remember that the Church doesn’t practice _terribly_ strict message control, outside of the core doctrines(For God so loved the world that He sent His Only Begotten Son, that whosoever etc. everlasting life; that the falling away did happen and was complete; that Joseph Smith was called to restore the Living Gospel; etc. and so on). So for every “You’ve seen the play, now read the book” we also have someone getting butthurt about the Gentiles laughing at our temple garments.

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[…] Correia finds out some people who write for the Deseret News are […]

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1 year 7 months ago

“All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics.” – Southern Poverty Law Center.

“I’d dig up the pulp version of #gamergate but the very thought fills me with ennui. Basically cretinous fanboys have never liked women.” – SFF historian Jess Nevins

“…it’s not b/c I dislike white dudes, it’s because White Dudes rarely examine their privilege, which is the underlying issue” – WisCon organizer and panelist K. Tempest Bradford.

“the tech industry is built on cultural appropriation, privilege, abuse, whiteness, maleness” – “The people who run the tech industry are abusive, sexist, racist, cowardly white men. And they need to be removed from power.” – self-appointed tech guru Shanley Kane

“… we consider buffaloes especially stupid as animals go. The perfect analogy for white men” – Benjanun Sriduangkaew, 2014 John W. Campbell Award nominee for Best New Writer

“As the cultural relevance of angry white men on the internet withers away and ends, their last words – muttered angrily at an empty room – will surely be ‘Gamer … gate’”. – Jessica Valenti at The Guardian

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1 year 7 months ago

It’s worth noting that the threat writer threatened another ‘Montreal Massacre’.

The only people who refer to the Ecole Polytechnique shooting 20-ish years ago that way are hard-core SJW’s. Most people simply have never heard of it, and the majority of those who have (Canadians), simply recall it as the Ecole Polytechnique shooting.

BTW, contrary to most of the writing about it, it was an Islamic Terror attack most similar to Ft. Hood. And by similar I mean right down to the authorities insisting the radical Islamic shooter had no religious or terrorist intentions despite clearly worded writings.

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Tesh
1 year 7 months ago

As I understand it, Sarkeesian is from that area, too. You write what you know?

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dferg
1 year 7 months ago

Larry,

I think you were part of gamer gate. I think the gen con nonsense was an opening shot of gamer gate.

Df

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1 year 7 months ago

“Not to mention they tracked it back to originating in Brazil,”

I wonder if this was the same miscreant who frequenty sends vile comments to a blog I help run.

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1 year 7 months ago

I figured it was Glenn Greenwald’s cabana boy’s latest sock puppet.

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1 year 7 months ago

“If you are a regular blog reader who followed Sad Puppies at all, same thing, same crusaders, same song, different industry.”

And, probably for the first time, an industry whose consumers are just as tech savvy, aggressive, and stubborn as they are. What we are watching is likely the first time these activists have met their match and are going to lose, and that reason alone is why everyone should be paying attention to GamerGate.

I know Mercedes, Intel, and Adobe have all withdrawn ad space from that hellhole Gawker so far…

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1 year 7 months ago

Reblogged this on The Worlds of Tarien Cole and commented:
Why is it that nine out of ten times I see an appeal to ‘common sense,’ it is neither ‘common’ nor ‘sensible’?

Common sense is not what your ideology says you should believe. That is Groupthink. Do yourself a favor, and think for yourself. You’ll arrive at wisdom–which is quite uncommon–far more often.

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dgarsys
1 year 7 months ago

I know a lot of hay has been made over the “death threats” – and in all fairness, Ken Burnside over at a posting on Erics blog brought up that he’s seen some pretty vile crap end up in lady developer mailboxes.

That said – a lot of old-school lady developers (I refuse to call them women or girls, they’re classier than that) will also come right out and tell you that if anything, the tech community bent over backwards to let them in.

Also – as you pointed out, the level of “death threat” they’re getting is the norm for immature jackasses of any political stripe on the internet. It’s hardly the first time Anita or Zoe puffed a molehill into Olympus Mons, with a good probability that at least one so called set of threats was made up whole cloth (brand new twitter account of a supposed guy with 10+ twilight-obsessed postings in something like five minutes, found and screens hotted in her browser 20s after the latest one while amazingly enough, she’s not in her twitter account).

Not unexpected for people who can raise being asked for coffee clumsily to a traumatic event, and use the fact you CAN (but aren’t required to) kill a girl as proof of sexism while ignoring all the dead male bodies. It certainly hasn’t risen to the level of getting actually SWATted.

God forbid you point out that for under $1000, one can be fully set up to do programming development work in any of four main platforms (mac, Windows, Linux, and Web with a free AWS account), and that if they want more games, they should learn to code and lead the way rather than insist everyone else play by their rules.

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1 year 7 months ago

After lurking for a few months, I have to say that I love your blog. I’ve been passing around a few of the classics (gun control and “president lady parts” in particular) and going through your archives. Always good for a laugh.

Anyways, my question is: which book should I get first? I kinda feel like Grimnoir Chronicles, but I was wondering if you guys have a better recommendation

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Eamon J. Cole
1 year 7 months ago

Oh, yeah, Larry’s right. Grimnoir is awesome. Fantastic jumping off point.

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Albert
1 year 7 months ago

Yep. Larry showed the world how you do superheroes right. Neither 4-color nor grimdark flavors of immaturity.

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1 year 7 months ago

“A state institution having to obey state law? Crazy. ”

Their are always exceptions. You wouldn’t let folks bring guns into a courtroom and it’s certainly more of a public institution than a school. Then there’s the fact that a specific threat has been levied in this situation. That should be enough to warrant a no-gun policy for an event.

My biggest problem with the “Law-abiding types” argument is that everyone’s a law-abiding type until they’re not. Humans aren’t historically stable in that regard. A person who’s peaceful one day may be violent the next. How much more damage does that person do with a gun?

Even if others are carrying only for defense, it’s just as likely that they’re shot first as opposed to successfully killing their attacker. In a school situation especially. Imagine someone coming in with guns drawn and firing at will. It doesn’t matter how armed their targets are when there’s no chance to draw.

Honestly, Larry, try to think critically. Avoid your own gun-loving fantasy scenarios and look at the facts. There are certainly cases where guns have saved lives. But there’s plenty of others where they’ve done squat.

You have this vision of all the good guys being armed. But we aren’t really able to discern who’s a good guy and bad guy. And the line can occasionally blur. A big increase in armed citizens is a social experiment where the consequences could be disatrous and deadly.

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1 year 7 months ago

Oh look, a troll.

In Texas, CHL holders are allowed to carry in the Capitol building. They actually have a line that they can go through to bypass the normal line. All you have to have is your CHL. So yes, they can carry their weapon into the Capitol building.

“My biggest problem with the “Law-abiding types” argument is that everyone’s a law-abiding type until they’re not. Humans aren’t historically stable in that regard. A person who’s peaceful one day may be violent the next. How much more damage does that person do with a gun?”

I don’t know if Larry is going to address your post, but this is the usual bullshit that the Anti-2nd Amendment crowd tries.

Someone normal may go crazy and start killing people! Ban guns!

It’s called projection cupcake.

“You have this vision of all the good guys being armed. But we aren’t really able to discern who’s a good guy and bad guy. And the line can occasionally blur. A big increase in armed citizens is a social experiment where the consequences could be disatrous and deadly.”

Hmm, so all those states where CHL and open carry already exist have massive shoot outs in the streets? Are the streets running red with blood? In Utah, are the school walls splattered with the blood of teachers and children? This is just another weak argument from the Anti-2nd Amendment book.

“Even if others are carrying only for defense, it’s just as likely that they’re shot first as opposed to successfully killing their attacker. In a school situation especially. Imagine someone coming in with guns drawn and firing at will. It doesn’t matter how armed their targets are when there’s no chance to draw.”

Take a look at mass shootings and shootings that could have been mass shootings. What stops the shooter? A person with a gun.

These same tired arguments always get brought out and are promptly shot down with actual facts, instead of the feelings that you have.

Also, I would recommend that you seek psychiatric help for your projection in your second full paragraph. The only reason that Antis like you can’t understand why people can be responsible when carrying firearms, is because you cannot be responsible when carrying a firearm.

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1 year 7 months ago

Projection? Interesting theory. Except for all the mass shootings that used, at least in part, legally obtained guns. Or the fact that less gun-related deaths are reported in states with stricter gun laws.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map

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Jared Anders
1 year 7 months ago

Wow. A cursory glance at that link shows they don’t know as much about guns as they think they do. “Semi-automatic handguns” and revolvers are separate lines on the table.

Taking their numbers at face value (to be fair to them they at least say they’ve taken out gang violence, but on the other hand they’re counting the shooter among the victims) that’s still less than 2 times a year in a nation of 300 million+ people that committed this heinous crime with legally bought guns. How many incidences are there a year where people are killed because of legally bought booze? Or cars?

As for the “everyone is a law-abiding type until they’re not” bit, this isn’t Minority Report. You can’t punish people for things they haven’t done yet. Guns are dangerous, yeah, but so are any multitude of other things we routinely have access to. Life is dangerous. The fact is that guns are used defensively far more often than they are used in crimes, or in accidental injuries or deaths.

If you don’t like guns fine, don’t own one.

Nothing we can do will make life safe. Anyone saying differently is lying or pushing for more power or control over others. Often both. People have been killing each other since the rock and stick days, and nothing is going to change that as long as humans are human. Frankly I wish more people (especially women) carried concealed. Make the criminals out there think twice about pulling crap in case they end up with an acute case of lead poisoning instead of some poor lady’s purse.

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dgarsys
1 year 7 months ago

yeah – the part where you think everybody is one small bad day away from going nuts “Falling Down” style…. that may qualify. Population and crime statistics don’t bear that out.

As to the “legally obtained” weapons – no, they weren’t.

Murdering someone to get to their guns is illegal.

Falsifying the documentation, or buying weapons when you’re not eligible due to existing police issues or mental issues, is illegal.

And honestly – while I’m perfectly aware that pyros tend to have different triggers than shooters – if guns weren’t available, there are far, FAR more deadly things you could do with some basic chemicals, or gasoline. The columbine killers, if I recall, had also made bombs which, fortunately, failed to go off.

And mother jones? Really? While I’m willing to concede the graph MAY have a point, I’d be suspicious about how they picked the data. They are about as reliably ideologically doctrinaire as it’s possible to get.

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1 year 7 months ago

“Falling Down” style

Even in that movie the writers and director knew they couldn’t make “ordinary guy who snapped” plausible and had to give him a back story of ongoing mental problems.

The “ordinary guy who just loses it and snaps” is almost entirely a myth. I won’t say it can’t happen, but it’s so rare that I’m far more worried about being struck by lightning.

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dgarsys
1 year 7 months ago

A history of mental problems? Gee – that sounds familiar. I wonder what most of the active shooters in the last five or ten years have had in common?

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1 year 7 months ago

It may be true that most people who ‘snap’ have had mental issues in the past. But there’s plenty of undiagnosed mental conditions in the world. And if they’re undiagnosed they aren’t caught in background checks. Even if they are diagnosed it’s no guarantee. Seung Hui Cho obtained a legal gun and he was clearly disturbed.

This whole “cars are dangerous too” argument is baloney. Cars are dangerous, horseback riding is dangerous. But guns are designed to kill people (and animals). The comparison doesn’t work.

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1 year 7 months ago

It may be true that most people who ‘snap’ have had mental issues in the past. But there’s plenty of undiagnosed mental conditions in the world. And if they’re undiagnosed they aren’t caught in background checks. Even if they are diagnosed it’s no guarantee. Seung Hui Cho obtained a legal gun and he was clearly disturbed.

The answer there is to improve the mental health diagnosis and treatment systems in the US. Instead, you want to restrict the rights of every other person in the country.

One way deals with the actual issue. The other, at best, deals with a particular means by which someone who “snaps” might use to cause harm. And even in the “snap” cases, you’d be hard pressed to find someone who’s just going about his business and then, without warning, draws a gun and starts shooting. Spree killers? Every single case I’ve ever seen, it’s someone who planned things ahead of time. Restricting people from carrying guns does nothing to stop that. If somebody’s planning to murder a bunch of people do you really think they’re going to think “You know, I really want to kill a bunch of people. Too bad I’m not allowed to carry a gun.” If they want to kill a lot of people and use a gun to do it then they’re. going. to. carry. a. gun. anyway. Somebody spots their illegally carried gun? Doesn’t mean they’re stopped. Just means they start the party that much earlier.

And I suppose this is where you’ll start in about making guns harder to get or even banning them entirely. (Or are you still one of those who claims “no one wants to take your guns” while still being able to see that you can’t make both those argument?) Look up the Happy Land fire. Look up the largest school massacre in US history (not committed by government–got to put that conditional in there). No firearms use.

Do you have any idea how easy it is to make a single shot “zip gun” that’s small enough that you can carry dozens in a fanny pack, and far more in any of a number of satchels. You don’t reload. You grab a handfull. Pow. Pow. Pow. Pow. Pow. Then grab another handful and repeat.

Dealing with the actual mental health issues might actually help. Dealing with the tools? Useless.

This whole “cars are dangerous too” argument is baloney. Cars are dangerous, horseback riding is dangerous. But guns are designed to kill people (and animals). The comparison doesn’t work.

And yet these “not designed to kill” things nevertheless do kill in vast numbers. Do you really think that a dead person cares whether what was used to kill them was “designed to kill” or not?

Tell you what. Go to your county or city morgue. When somebody comes to claim the body of their child killed by a hit and run driver, or in an “accident” with a drunk driver, tell the grieving parents that “at least they weren’t shot.” I’m sure they’ll feel so much better, right?

Because until that’s a viable argument to make, the whole “xxx isn’t designed to kill” is crap. (Excuse my language, Larry.)

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1 year 7 months ago

Even if they are diagnosed it’s no guarantee. Seung Hui Cho obtained a legal gun and he was clearly disturbed.

And he had been mentally adjudicated as such. He lied on his paperwork, making the purchase illegal. But nice try.

This whole “cars are dangerous too” argument is baloney.

You mean like everything else you’ve said so far?

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dgarsys
1 year 7 months ago

Oh Pox,

Are you really that determined to prove that reading comprehension is not your thing?

It may be true that most people who ‘snap’ have had mental issues in the past.

So far so good….. (but that never lasts)

But there’s plenty of undiagnosed mental conditions in the world.

And they keep making more up every year – and in some places, simply opposing the government can get you put it an insane asylum….

And if they’re undiagnosed they aren’t caught in background checks.

See the above point by the writer in black. Yes – we need our mental health system to better identify people who’re actually dangerous, as opposed to the “if you can’t get help at charter” types…


Even if they are diagnosed it’s no guarantee. Seung Hui Cho obtained a legal gun and he was clearly disturbed.

See Sandy Hook and Arizona – in both cases the state had been contacted, and for various reasons refused to act.

As to Va tech – the sad part is not so much that it’s been pointed out in reply to your comment that SHC lied and thus did not “legally” (booga booga!!) obtain his weapons – but that you wrote it after I already stated that the weapons supposedly ‘legally’ (booga booga!!) obtained were in fact not. Murdering someone to get their gun is illegal. Lying on the forms after being deemed legally unfit is illegal.

This whole “cars are dangerous too” argument is baloney. Cars are dangerous, horseback riding is dangerous. But guns are designed to kill people (and animals). The comparison doesn’t work.

Oh puhleeese….

You have exactly one point. Guns are indeed designed to maximize deadly force in a small convenient package that – among other things – allows old grannies to be on a more equal footing with a gang of young thugs with bats.

But in terms of lethality?

There are many, many lethal weapons. Frankly, with a little planning, I could do far more damage with an SUV, or a few gallons of perfectly legal gasoline, or some common kitchen chemicals. Or a pressure cooker, some shrapnel, and some basic chemistry.

It really depends on exactly HOW you want to make your mark.

But let’s not pretend that guns are the most lethal thing a psychotic could use to kill lots of people. The point isn’t “is it dangerous to do?” (horseback riding) but “is it readily available and can it be made dangerous to other people”

See 9/11, and some box cutters, which were used to hijack some airliners with absolutely no guns on board.

How many people died?

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1 year 7 months ago

Hey now. No fair confronting Pox’s feelz with those mean, nasty facts!

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1 year 7 months ago

Right, and as was pointed out above, leaving out 9/11, the largest mass murder in this country was carried out with a gallon or so of gas and a lighter. (And the largest school killing was in Germany, which has very strict gun laws.)

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dgarsys
1 year 7 months ago

Oh boy oh by oh boy – I’m always glad to see such genius at work.

First – reading comprehension.

Then there’s the fact that a specific threat has been levied in this situation. That should be enough to warrant a no-gun policy for an event.

Did you miss the part about the state law that Larry brought up – that would have allowed the school to make the site a secure zone?

Leaving aside the validity of the threat, given where it came from, the school very well COULD have instituted such a policy, anchose not to

BAD facts, BAD, Unsat BAD!

My biggest problem with the “Law-abiding types” argument is that everyone’s a law-abiding type until they’re not.

Yup – so let’s create a department of pre crime, assume everyone’s guilty, and strip away their rights to defend themselves as they see fit (alternatively, let them be armed, and if they commit a murder, here’s a concept, they go to jail….)

I mean, all those places that experienced a rise in CCW permits have turned into massive free-fire zones, right?

Right?

Oh, wait, crime dropped.

I’m not sure if projection is involved, but historically, unless pushed to extremes, people actually ARE pretty stable. Most criminals are repeat offenders, and commit crimes vastly out of proportion to their percentage of the population. Most of the rest, beyond speeding tickets, aren’t.

The following paragraph boils down to “OK, sometimes they may be able to do some good, but maybe they won’t, so why bother being prepared…”

Hey, maybe TWO tires will blow out on my car (yes, I’ve had that happen), so why bother carrying a spare at all?

You have this vision of all the good guys being armed. But we aren’t really able to discern who’s a good guy and bad guy.

Actually, yes, we can. This has been borne out by the people responding to active shooters while armed only shooting the bad guy.

And the line can occasionally blur. A big increase in armed citizens is a social experiment where the consequences could be disatrous and deadly.

Hmmm… places where legal firearms have been effectively banned have gotten more and more violent (though a large part of that has to do with other politically related issues) and places where firearm carry has been expanded in the last couple decades have seen a faster than usual drop in crime rates.

Given that the baseline this country started at was most people were armed, and that could and did go up to private ownership of military artillery and warships, I don’t consider continuing to allow concealed carry by law abiding citizens to be much of a “social experiment”

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dgarsys
1 year 7 months ago

lost track of closing out the bold tags….

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1 year 7 months ago

I’m going to reply to two different posts in this one, so please try and keep up.

“A state institution having to obey state law? Crazy. ”

Their are always exceptions. You wouldn’t let folks bring guns into a courtroom and it’s certainly more of a public institution than a school.

If state law said that courtrooms had to permit folks to let their guns in, then you bet your ass most of us would expect them to comply with the law. A courtroom? Really, that’s your response? State law in Utah permits carry on campuses. If a courtroom was required to do the same, then what grounds would they have? Zero.

Then there’s the fact that a specific threat has been levied in this situation. That should be enough to warrant a no-gun policy for an event.

A threat that both law enforcement and the school deemed to not be credible. Did you miss Larry addressing that?

My biggest problem with the “Law-abiding types” argument is that everyone’s a law-abiding type until they’re not. Humans aren’t historically stable in that regard. A person who’s peaceful one day may be violent the next. How much more damage does that person do with a gun?

So, everyone’s a law abiding type until they’re not, so…what? We treat people like they’re criminals despite them having done nothing wrong? Ever hear of “due process”?

Even if others are carrying only for defense, it’s just as likely that they’re shot first as opposed to successfully killing their attacker. In a school situation especially. Imagine someone coming in with guns drawn and firing at will. It doesn’t matter how armed their targets are when there’s no chance to draw.

If the weapons are concealed (the first “c” in “ccw” stands for concealed after all), just how are these bad guys going to know who to shoot first? Plus, part of the argument of an armed populace isn’t one good guy with a gun, but a dozen or more. One would-be mass shooter against that many armed citizens? Yeah. He’s going to have a bad time.

Honestly, Larry, try to think critically. Avoid your own gun-loving fantasy scenarios and look at the facts. There are certainly cases where guns have saved lives. But there’s plenty of others where they’ve done squat.

If “they’ve done squat”, then what’s the problem again?

I mean, there have been house fires that burned up homes despite the presence of a fire extinguisher. Are you also against fire extinguishers in the home?

You have this vision of all the good guys being armed. But we aren’t really able to discern who’s a good guy and bad guy. And the line can occasionally blur. A big increase in armed citizens is a social experiment where the consequences could be disatrous and deadly.

Yeah, because signs telling people that guns aren’t allowed have done wonders to protect people. NO disastrous or deadly consequences there.

Now, for the next comment:

Projection? Interesting theory. Except for all the mass shootings that used, at least in part, legally obtained guns. Or the fact that less gun-related deaths are reported in states with stricter gun laws.

And, generally, while gun-related deaths might be down in those states, violent crime as a whole is up. Bad guys have a hard time getting guns? So do the smaller, weaker victims who could actually need a gun to defend themselves. Criminals know this, and know they can act with more impunity than in states with looser gun control laws.

Honestly, you know jack about guns, about people, and about crime statistics in general. You might want to go back to Mother Jones or ThinkProgress until you can bring a better argument.

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Jeff Gauch
1 year 7 months ago

“You might want to go back to Mother Jones or ThinkProgress until you can bring a better argument”

Isn’t that a bit like telling him to get back into the pool until he dries off?

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1 year 7 months ago

Well, it’s not like he’s going to find a better argument over at one of the gun forums. Mostly because there isn’t one.

I really just want him to go away. I don’t mind debate, but any time someone pulls the “think critically” then promptly puts their head in the sand regarding what they just saw, it tells me that they don’t have the capability to really debate the subject.

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1 year 7 months ago

Did you really just post a link to a Mother Jones article as an unbiased source? And tell our armed ancestors that they were part of a possibly deadly social experiment? And imply that Illinois, California and New York have low crime rates?

I think we have a winner! 😛

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1 year 7 months ago

Yeah, kind of the trifecta of fail.

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1 year 7 months ago

Hey, Larry, is Clamps back?

You wouldn’t let folks bring guns into a courtroom and it’s certainly more of a public institution than a school.

Does Utah state law forbid courtrooms from prohibiting guns to people licensed to carry? If not, then this is a red herring and, therefore, a logical fallacy.

My biggest problem with the “Law-abiding types” argument is that everyone’s a law-abiding type until they’re not.

By the same logic no one’s a pedophile until they are. Should we, then, require people to have licenses and show “good cause” for an internet connection lest they use it to peddle child porn?

But, really, the whole “they might just snap” is bogus. Notice something all these spree killers had in common? A history of mental problems, usually involving violence.

If you deal with the problems when they’re small, they don’t grow to be big. (Related Note: the reason that Mother Jones was able to claim that armed citizens never stopped a mass shooting is because if armed citizens are present and in a position to act they get stopped before it becomes a mass shooting. And even that required very careful cherry picking of the data.)

Even if others are carrying only for defense, it’s just as likely that they’re shot first as opposed to successfully killing their attacker.

People keep saying this. First off, if people are carrying concealed, how are they going to know who to “shoot first.” And if they’re not (I know Larry is not an advocate of open carry–I happen to disagree with him. Perhaps someday we can discuss the subject when we happen to be at the same venue) well, open carry has been legal and practiced in a lot of places, and for a long time in some of them. Can you name three times where someone came in a place to commit a crime and decided to shoot the armed citizens first? Three times where it’s happened.

If you can’t find three times in the history of, well, ever, then is it really something on which to base an argument?

The simple truth is that these spree killers pick “gun free zones” to attack for a reason. They’re not looking to take out the armed citizens first. They’re not looking to face armed citizens at all. They want as many helpless targets as they can get.

And you’d give those targets to them.

You have this vision of all the good guys being armed. But we aren’t really able to discern who’s a good guy and bad guy.

I believe, and I think Larry does too (not to put words in your mouth, Larry, but I suspect I’m right here) that most people are the “good guys”. That the “good guys” vastly outnumber the bad guys. And when the good guys–armed–vastly outnumber the bad guys, you get scenes like the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GAgIBgOA3M

Now that scene is fiction, from a movie, but the same kind of scenario has played out in real life more than once.

The simple truth is that people claim all sorts of doom–fender benders turning into gunfights, bar fights turning into shootouts, blood running in the streets–at the suggestion of allowing people to be armed for their own defense. Every time law is proposed to increase who can carry and where they can carry, those same dire predictions are trotted out.

And every time, every…damn…time, they are wrong.

At this point the plausible deniability of being able to say that you really think that’s the way things will play out “this time” isn’t so plausible any more.

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1 year 7 months ago

Now that scene is fiction, from a movie, but the same kind of scenario has played out in real life more than once.

There’s a reason that you don’t hear about gun stores being robbed on a semi-regular basis.

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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 7 months ago

Nah. This is the guy who hates Vox Day so much he models himself on him. 😉

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dgarsys
1 year 7 months ago

models himself on him POORLY

there – fixed that… 😉

Vox may be abrasive, blunt, and even arrogant, but usually has his facts in a row even if the conclusions and weights aren’t always what we would give them. You have to THINK to debate Vox when you disagree, and it is wise to do so only if you very careful parse what was said to make sure you understood it..

Vox also writes some pretty nifty stories – Wardog’s Coin and Opera Vita were both great.

This Pox guy – not so much.

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1 year 7 months ago

Nah, Marston’s white.

Guest
1 year 7 months ago

Your comment is hilarious in that everything you purport to tell us is flat out the opposite of reality.

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1 year 7 months ago

Well, he provided a link to Mother Jones to illustrate his point as if it were an unbiased and impartial source.

Clearly, he and reality have never met.

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1 year 7 months ago

Allow me to translate. I speak liberal.

Liberal: Think critically.

English: Think to criticize what I dislike.

Just a public service I perform.

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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 7 months ago

Come on, it’s Mother Jones!

Mother. Jones.

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Tarl
1 year 7 months ago

That is Leftism in a nutshell — aggressively opposed to reality.

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Patrick Chester
1 year 7 months ago

My biggest problem with the “Law-abiding types” argument is that everyone’s a law-abiding type until they’re not.

Ah, the cry of the statist.

Honestly, Larry, try to think critically.

Look in a mirror.

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1 year 7 months ago

Go look at CBC Canada, right now. Sometimes its not some guy who “snaps” you know. Sometimes its your nation’s enemies doing war on you.

Canada is being attacked by terrorists, right now. This very minute. Unless they got the guy since I turned off the TV to type this.

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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 7 months ago

I know. I’ve been watching it for the past two hours.

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1 year 7 months ago

Comments at Small Dead Animals blog indicate SUN TV may be a better bet, they were onto this thing while CBC was still showing cartoons at 9:30am.

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Lea
1 year 7 months ago

There are certainly cases where guns have saved lives. But there’s plenty of others where they’ve done squat.
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IOW, net positive for carrying?

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Jordan S. Bassior
1 year 6 months ago

My biggest problem with the “Law-abiding types” argument is that everyone’s a law-abiding type until they’re not. Humans aren’t historically stable in that regard. A person who’s peaceful one day may be violent the next. How much more damage does that person do with a gun?

If he’s not deterred by the illegality of shooting people, how much more deterred is he by the illegality of carrying a firearm? Seriously, Pox, do you really believe that there are that many people who think “I’d like to shoot people, but it’s illegal for me to carry a gun, so I can’t?” How is this to be enforced? Constant random searches of the persons and vehicles of otherwise innocent-looking citizens?

Even if others are carrying only for defense, it’s just as likely that they’re shot first as opposed to successfully killing their attacker. In a school situation especially. Imagine someone coming in with guns drawn and firing at will. It doesn’t matter how armed their targets are when there’s no chance to draw.

How does this work exactly?

Honestly, Pox, try to think critically. Crazed Killer is trying to shoot a whole bunch of people. He has numerous potential targets. He doesn’t know that Concealed Carrier has a pistol until CC draws his weapon.

Concealed Carrier, on the other hand, is only trying to shoot Crazed Killer. He’s not distracted by any other targets. It may not even be until he opens fire that CK even knows that CC is a threat.

But suppose that you’re right, and CK simply guns CC down. How exactly has the situation been made worse? CK already wants to kill as many people as possible — is he now “angrier” because someone pulled a weapon on him?

There’s also the absurdity of your “coming in with guns drawn and firing at will” line. If CK is dumb enough to try to spray fire from multiple weapons at the same time, then this is a good thing — most of his shots will be going harmlessly into the ceiling and walls. One can’t shoot accurately with two guns at the same time, unless one is very well trained at a trick which is more for carnivals than serious combat.

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1 year 6 months ago

Where did you acquire this delusion of intellectual adequacy?

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1 year 6 months ago

Alas, he’s long gone now.

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1 year 7 months ago

I got into it about this thing on… I think it was Crooks and Liars… and the oh so reasonable concern was that a CCW permit holder would attend the talk, hear something that made him mad, and lose his temper and rationality and haul off and start shooting… with NO intention before hand to do so.

I, too, suggested that the chances of someone going to hear Anita talk who was even slightly likely to disagree with her even mildly was about zip. I wasn’t nearly as entertaining as Larry, though, when I said it.

I also pissed them off by making all my gun-totting pronouns feminine… as in “do you really think that someone would lose *her* temper, pull out *her* weapon, and start blasting?”

They didn’t like that at all.

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Shawna
1 year 7 months ago

I really like your use of pronouns. That makes a very good point without really even having to say it.

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Lea
1 year 7 months ago

I like that too!

Of course, that (someone getting angry randomly and getting violent) could happen any time, anywhere and it’s about equally unlikely.

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1 year 7 months ago

Not sure if it was mentioned above, but the real issue for her wasn’t that Utah wouldn’t change their laws, but that Utah wouldn’t frisk the students who wanted to attend. That is right. She demanded full on pat downs for anyone who wished to enter and listen to her droning on and on about the evils of men.

To add to this mind you, this was the Taggart center conference room. The room only has one entrance and can only hold maybe 100. She was more likely to catch a cold than have any risk to her life. To be blunt, many of us question if she set this up herself to get attention after Wu took it away from her.

The part i love the most about the article though is how it jumps from CCW law, to hating gamers, to how Utah sucks. I swear that someone at the DN just handed Sarkeesian a keyboard and let her write that load.

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1 year 7 months ago

My response might have only been two words. No, not THOSE two words.

nor should arguments that a room full of people with concealed weapons is a deterrent to a deranged criminal be given credence.

“Why not?”

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Jeff Gauch
1 year 7 months ago

Because if you give them any credence at all they’ll completely torpedo her argument.

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Joe in PNG
1 year 7 months ago

Wonder if she would be just as freaked about legally carried guns if she was addressing a room full of law enforcement officers?

After all, the current SJW hue and cry is about the “trigger happy”, racist nature of the police. Would she then demand they disarm before attending?

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Jonathan
1 year 7 months ago

Larry, settle this for once and for all: Does a bear shoot in the woods?

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1 year 7 months ago

For those of you interested in the inevitable outcome of liberal gun policy, please turn your eyes to CBC News as there is an active shooter running around on Parliament Hill in Ottawa.

That’s Canada, for you low-information social justice warrior types.

The shooter, who is surely Amish or at least Presbyterian, began his day of fun by shooting one of the guards at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, about a 30 second run from the Parliament Buildings. There may or may not be more than one shooter, just to add to the enjoyment.

This is the equivalent of shooting a Marine outside the US Capitol building, putting it in American terms.

Canada, as you may or may not know, is one gigantic Gun Free Zone thanks to Social Justice Warriors and their program to disarm the masses since 1968. No CCW permits, no pistols allowed to be sold without super-duper special pistol training and two permits, no rifles allowed to be sold without super-duper training and one, different permit.

I’d ask the various Members of Parliament how they think the gun free zone thing is working for them, but unfortunately they are all hiding under their desks right now and can’t be reached for comment.

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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 7 months ago

I have no doubt that our opposition parties will blame this on gun laws rather than Islamic extremism. None.

Guest
1 year 7 months ago

Agreed. I take consolation in the fact that they were all in there today, in pants-pissing terror, while the police dealt with the results of their policies these last 40 years. From news reports there was a very great deal of lead in the air for a few seconds right outside the caucus room doors.

Not very often the people who caused the problem get to stare down the barrel, but they did today in Ottawa.

On the positive side, the soldier who got shot is apparently still alive. Hang in there buddy.

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1 year 7 months ago

Update on the soldier’s condition, SUN TV news reports he has died. They also report he was with the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada, based in Hamilton Ontario. My old unit.

Small world. Looks like I have a funeral to go to.

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1 year 7 months ago
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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 7 months ago

I’m very sorry to hear that. My deepest condolences.

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Fruitbat44
1 year 7 months ago

SJW, professional victim or crusader, or whatever Ms Sarkeesian is doesn’t change the fact that the people who issued death threats to her are scum, and the ones who issued rape threats are misogynistic scum.

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Eamon J. Cole
1 year 7 months ago

True. I doubt anybody here would contest the labels. And quite a few here would step up to defend her from such.

Doesn’t mitigate the silliness.

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Tesh
1 year 7 months ago

This, of course, assumes that they are legit. If they are false flags, the people involved are also scum, just of a different stripe.

Guest
1 year 7 months ago

Have we really gotten to the point we have to make pronouncements water is wet? Are you contrasting this to all the people who believe death threats are fun and good and rape threats too? Take it up with the people who actually do such things and don’t allow them to be smeared onto millions of people who don’t, and that includes this word that mysteriously has no opposite: “misogyny.” Unless one is a fool, maintaining there is no opposite is… “misandry.”

I’ve had it up to here listening to morons in the SFF and gaming community get on Twitter and say “Rape is wrong!” Really? At what late date in their lives did they figure that one out?

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1 year 7 months ago

“Really? At what late date in their lives did they figure that one out?”

When you figure that out maybe you’ll be able to tell me why the military is still laboring under the assumption that every single troop apparently doesn’t understand rape is wrong. Because I can’t for the life of me think of any other reason that it makes sense for me to have to sit through a two-part (meaning several hours) briefing and discussion every year telling me what I already know: rape is bad, m’kay?

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1 year 7 months ago

What about the theory water is wet? Were you immersed in a lake to make that point? What about lava? I’ve heard rumors it is hot – very hot. I was warned to never drink it. It is not wet like water.

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av willis
1 year 7 months ago

I’ll admit, before these shenanigans kicked off, I had never heard of this bird, but someone on another blog brought up a really good point. Apparently one of her pet peeves in video games is the “damsel in distress” trope. And yet her first reaction when she is allegedly threatened is to run to the police while at the same time denying anyone else in the theoretical danger zone the remotest chance of self sufficiency.

Guest
1 year 7 months ago

“Damsel in distress” is a trope for a reason. If the damsel is in distress only because she’s a nincompoop… that’s something else again.

Guest
1 year 7 months ago

“Damsel in distress” is a trope for a reason.

Consider one of the “Damsel in distress” cases that the GHH’s get their glitter filled panties in a bunch over: “Slave” Leia. Leia failed in her task and was enslaved and humiliated, they say. But they never look beyond that.

Yet consider. If she had “succeeded” that would have left Chewbacca and Lando in Jabba’s clutches. Oh, Lando’s cover was yet unbroken and he should be able to exfil, but Chewbacca? We can only imagine what tortures Jabba would have inflicted on him in the event Leia had escaped with Han.

None of that makes any sense, even in the strange “logic” of science fantasy like Star Wars. But consider, her “failed” attempt got Han out of the carbonite. Chewbacca was present and in a position to assist in the escape. And Leia? Leia was precisely positioned to kill Jabba when it all went down. Someone, knowning Jabba’s proclivities, might have been able to guess what he would do on capturing Leia and planned that very outcome. Or not guess, Luke had training in foreseeing the future in his studies with Yoda. While uncertain “always in motion is the future”, it could easily have given him the clue that he needed an attractive woman to perform the “failed” rescue of Han (or not failed, but instead all part of a considered plan), and Leia would simply have volunteered. Or perhaps her own, nascent and still untutored, connection to the force told her that this is where she needed to be. Perhaps, indeed, the plan was her own.

“Damsel in distress”? Done far less have those character in action/adventures labeled “hero.”

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