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Fisking the Deseret News’ anti-CCW article

So my local paper ran a really dumb anti-CCW editorial. It was so riddled with nonsense, distortions, and falsehoods that it was just begging for a fisking. As usual, the original is in italics and my comments are in bold.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865613500/Utah-gun-law-that-canceled-USU-speech-is-an-embarrassment.html

In our opinion: Utah gun law that canceled USU speech is an embarrassment

The only embarrassment here is the dreck that passes for writing at the Deseret News now.

The inability of Utah State University to impose reasonable protections for a speaker who had received death threats is more than just an embarrassment to the state. It is alarming.

No. It isn’t, and we’ll get to why later. This is typical breathless editorial speak, used by the willfully manipulative to sway the useful idiots. When you start breaking down the actual facts it is neither alarming nor embarrassing. It is Utah following the rule of law as opposed to the freak out cause of the day.

It should not, however, be surprising, especially to anyone who remembers the struggles a decade ago over Utah’s loose concealed permit carrier law.

I remember the “struggles” rather well. In fact I’m one of the people that testified against the University of Utah’s highly paid lobbyist in front of the Justice Committee at the State Legislature.  Like this editorial, all he could do was appeal to raw emotion and wishful thinking.

It’s time to revisit that law and allow schools the freedom to protect the public.

Let’s see… Historically, what has protected the public better? Law abiding types carrying firearms for personal defense, or No Guns Allowed signs?  Think hard.

Rather than repeat myself, here is an essay where I broke down in great detail why Utah allowing concealed weapon permit holders to carry firearms inside of schools makes sense. I wrote it after Sandy Hook, and it has become one of the most widely read essays on the topic of gun control there is.

http://monsterhunternation.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

Basically, whenever they start talking about “protecting the public” their ideas usually do the exact opposite.

It’s time Utah law stood up for safety, not the empowerment of bullies.

I’m curious about the definition of “bullies” here. A loaded term. You couldn’t possibly mean the public speaker who demanded a state change its policies to suit her ill-informed opinions on safety, and when she didn’t get her way—even though a suitable work around was readily, legally, available—instead asked for a boycott of the entire state until they gave in to her whims?

A decade ago, the University of Utah decided to continue enforcing a 25-year-old campus ban on firearms despite a new law that made concealed weapons fair game at schools.

A state institution having to obey state law? Crazy.

That resulted in a lawsuit that ended in 2006 when the Utah Supreme Court ruled the university had no authority to impose a policy contrary to state law.

Yep. It was a very sad day when the U discovered that despite wasting tons of tax payer and tuition money on a case that basically consisted of screaming Academic Freedom over and over again, our state constitution still applied to them.

The university — the only institution of higher learning in Utah willing to carry the fight — next tried to lobby and work with lawmakers to craft a compromise.

Their “compromise” was just their same old illegal ban in a fancy new wrapper. We exposed it for what it was and defeated it.

What they ended up with was a 2007 law that allows any student living in a dormitory to specify that he or she does not wish to room with a concealed weapon permit holder — nothing more.

Yep. Because before that their suggestions included things like declaring whatever building they wanted off limits at any time (which quickly turned into All of Them).  They had a long wish list of restrictions to make CCW so incredibly cumbersome and difficult to legally comply with that it would have been a de facto ban.

This wasn’t just about students either. It also affected everyone that worked for the university as well. Professors, employees, clerks, didn’t matter. They were out of luck.

Churches, it should be noted, also expressed concern over the law and, unlike schools, were allowed to publicly declare their own no-guns policies.

The finer points of law elude the Deseret News. Our CCW law treats different types of property in different manners. Churches are private property. A private university would be private property. The University of Utah is owned by the state and paid for with tax payer funds.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which owns this newspaper, subsequently registered its no-gun position.

As a Mormon and a professional writer, it offends me that my church owns a newspaper that sucks this badly.

The church issued a statement asking us not to carry guns at church, but then left it up to the discretion of the local bishops. In the decade since the only time my CCW has ever been of concern to any of my bishops was when one wanted to know if I was prepared to shoot a bear (long story, but yes, obviously).

The issue, both then and now, is not about the wisdom of allowing people who have passed special courses to legally carry a concealed weapon. This makes sense under the Second Amendment to the Constitution, although it should not apply under all circumstances and it is a myth to believe the issuance of such a permit is a guarantee against crime.

Wow. There’s a lot of BS in that paragraph. He pays lip service to the Second Amendment, then immediately says to infringe the one that says it shouldn’t be infringed. Also, nobody believes that a permit is a guarantee against crime. That’s a straw man. Trust me, I taught the Utah CCW course to thousands, and nobody thinks of their handgun as a cross that wards off vampires.

No, the issue is common sense.

Common sense suggests that it is a lot harder to commit mass murder when your targets can shoot back.

Anita Sarkeesian was scheduled to speak about how women are portrayed in popular media, and especially in video games.

I’ve never gotten into GamerGate here on the blog, but basically Anita Sarkeesian is a professional victim, Social Justice Warrior, who thinks you are enjoying yourself wrong, and if you disagree you are a racist, homophobic, misogynist.

If you are a regular blog reader who followed Sad Puppies at all, same thing, same crusaders, same song, different industry.

Late Monday, someone sent an email to about a dozen USU offices threatening a deadly massacre if she were allowed to speak. It threatened “the deadliest school shooting in American history.”

As somebody who has gotten lots of death threats, anybody who sends a death threat is scum. They are vermin.

However, they are also a fact of life on the internet, and if you have enough of an audience and take a stand for anything, you will receive threats against your life. That big gun control blog post I linked above? That one had a million readers in the first month and got me on Huckabee. I had several “caring liberals” threaten to murder my entire family over that one.

Any moron with an internet connection can send a threat. The last thing you want to do is publicize these things. The people sending the threats are losers seeking attention. By publishing their threats far and wide and cancelling events, you’ve given them power.

School officials and law enforcement said they determined the threat was not credible, but that really didn’t matter.

Hold on… The TRUTH didn’t matter?

It wasn’t just the USU police, but the FBI that specialize in internet crimes that said this threat was bunk. Hell, I’m not exactly a cybercrimes expert, but I read it and scoffed. It was written like it came from somebody whose knowledge of weapons and violence came from reading the newspaper (hint, actual gun experts don’t talk about their “semi-automatic” weapons).

Not to mention they tracked it back to originating in Brazil, so he’d have to fly to another continent, catch another flight to Utah, and last time I looked the TSA frowns on pipe bombs in your carry-on luggage. So logistically after he comes to another hemisphere, he could try to illegally procure weapons as a non-resident or procure bomb materials on unfamiliar territory, without attracting attention, all while planning an attack on new ground in a very short period of time, and then pull it off in a place where the audience can shoot him.

Since I’m guessing this guy isn’t Frank Castle, I wouldn’t lose too much sleep over it.  

Under Utah law, Utah State University had no choice but to let people with permits carry guns into the hall, and they had no mechanism for determining who had such a permit and who was, in fact, carrying a weapon.

Wow… No. Does anybody fact check anything in these things? There are several mistakes here.

First off, USU did have a choice because there is a provision in the law for a normally open to the public establishment to temporarily become a Secure Facility. The legislature worked this out with the US Secret Service prior to presidential and vice presidential visits. The facility may be secured, and CCW prohibited, provided that admission is controlled, and lockers are provided for any guests who are carrying firearms so that they can safely store their weapons. Then they control the entrance and exits. That usually means guards and metal detectors.

USU chose not to go this route because the FBI said the threat was bunk.

Next error, there is no mechanism for determining who had a permit? Uh… It is a little laminated red card with your picture on it you carry in your wallet like a driver’s license or any other state issued ID. If you want to make sure a permit is legit, you can call the Utah Bureau of Criminal Identification and they can tell you if a permit is valid or not in a couple of seconds. Gun dealers do this every time they sell a gun in Utah to a permit holder when the buyer fills out a 4473 form for the BATF. Hell, the database is online! Police can access it whenever they want.

And another problem, he says there is no mechanism for determining who is in fact carrying a weapon… Think about that critically for a moment.  There is no way to know if the hypothetical mass murderer is carrying a weapon either, because he sure as hell isn’t going to tell you, and he’s certainly not going to decide to call it a day and not go commit the couple hundred felonies he had planned because of your No Guns Allowed sign.

News flash, the people who get permits aren’t the ones you need to worry about.

Sarkeesian, who said she has spoken in the face of death threats elsewhere, canceled her speech, citing concern over that law.

And then Sarkeesian called for all of her followers to boycott the state of Utah.

So give into the demands of a professional victim, or continue to protect our children from mass murder… tough call.

Common sense would dictate that a university could prohibit weapons and set up metal detectors at an event that has been targeted with death threats.

USU actually had the option of doing just that and creating a legal Secure Facility, but they chose to listen to the FBI, save their money, and not hassle their students and faculty instead. Go Aggies.

If an armed officer were present, this would be a much more effective counter to any attack than the crossfire of multiple weapons carriers.

Oh bull crap. So in the last decade of us allowing guns in schools, do you have any examples of these terrible Wild West style crossfire shootouts between multiple permit holders in Utah? Heck, expand it beyond Utah. Of the millions and millions of permit holders out there, do you have any examples of these hypothetical mistaken identity crossfires?

Crickets.

Not that any of this would actually matter, because come on… why the hell would somebody smart, capable, and wise enough to take the necessary steps to carry a gun to provide for their own safety want to listen to a professional victim feminist whine about gamers for an hour? I’ve got a gut feeling that hall would be the closest thing to a gun free zone on campus that day regardless.

As far as armed officers being present, I would suspect that the USU police would have an officer present at any large speaking engagement, especially one with any sort of potential for conflict of any sort.

But common sense has been brushed aside.

You keep using the term, but last time I checked “wishful thinking” and “emotionally laden nonsense” weren’t synonyms with “common sense”. If you say something stupid and then call it common sense, that doesn’t make it sensible. It is still stupid. Sort of like “social justice” or “economic fairness”.  

For whatever reason, the gaming community has attracted an element that threatens to kill feminists.

And Social Justice Warriors have attracted an element that threaten to kill conservative authors. Cry me a river.

Such threats should not be taken lightly,

I’m doing a book signing at the U of U bookstore on Halloween day. Since these are Larry Correia fans, I’m assuming there will be so many concealed weapons there that it will be like the opposite of a gun free zone, and probably the safest place on campus.  🙂

nor should arguments that a room full of people with concealed weapons is a deterrent to a deranged criminal be given credence.

A room full of people with concealed weapons isn’t a deterrent to committing violent crime? Maybe if your bad guy is on a kamikaze mission.  And hate to break it to you, but if that’s what you’re up against, he isn’t going to give a crap about your cops or metal detectors either. For anybody else not trying to commit suicide, getting shot a couple dozen times by bystanders is usually a pretty strong deterrent. That’s why mass shooters keep attacking gun free zones instead of shooting ranges or police stations. I go into great detail on that point in the above link, so basically let me say that paragraph is one of the most willfully ignorant piles of dreck I’ve ever had the displeasure of fisking.

Utah lawmakers need to change this silly and potentially dangerous law.

That’s the beauty of having fifty states. If you don’t like this one, feel free to pack your stuff and go to one of the other ones more to your liking. Utah actually loves our kids, so we don’t feel like making it easier for psychopaths to kill large numbers of them to placate your angst.

 

 

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JR
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1 year 9 months ago

I think I shall purchase one of your books as thanks for this article. Plus, it’ll piss of a liberal.

Jim McCoy
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Jim McCoy
1 year 9 months ago

Selling books makes Larry more money and that keeps him writing. As a fan who likes to read what he writes, I’m not going to argue with anyone’s reason for buying one of his books.

That much boing said, you might want to buy one because it’s freaking awesome as well. Or at least read it if you do buy one. They’re worth your time for sure. Then you can tell all your friends how much ass they kick and they can buy some too!

Radioactive
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Radioactive
1 year 9 months ago

when asked if you would shoot a bear, are you sure it wasn’t whether you’d shoot bare?

Bruce
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Bruce
1 year 9 months ago

Please, no! Think of the children! 🙂

Seriously, shooting bare can be dangerous. My sister was shooting a USPSA club match with her 1911 one night and had a .45 case go down the front of her blouse. I was rolling on the floor, everybody else was looking at her like she was crazy (I saw what happened, they didn’t), as she was jerking on the front of her blouse trying to dislodge the case while running between stages. It left burn marks…

Khazlek
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Khazlek
1 year 9 months ago

In that case, the clothing probably increased the contact time between hot brass and skin, though I would guess that a clothes with a tighter neck would be better than bare.

Kristophr
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1 year 9 months ago

Most female shooters learn quickly not to wear a low blouse while pistol shooting. Always for the same reason.

Honey
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Honey
1 year 9 months ago

I’ve had one go down the back of my ACU blouse. It’s a hazard under any circumstances, just more so with certain cuts. I would think that bare would at least get it off your skin faster.

Kristophr
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1 year 9 months ago

I have had brass go down my shirt as well. But wearing a low top while shooting is just begging for it.

Brian
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Brian
1 year 9 months ago

I’ve had shells bounce off of the lane barrier at the range and drop in my shirt pocket more than a few times. Once I got a scorched nipple and that wasn’t any fun at all. 🙁

eizan70
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1 year 9 months ago

I often head to the range wearing an aloha shirt. If brass does find it’s way in, it just keeps on going. I seem to have more issue with the neighboring lanes brass bouncing of my head. I think that is an appeasement issue within the Peoples Republic of California for allowing us to shoot at all. I deal with this type of thinking in this article on a daily basis.

eizan70
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1 year 9 months ago

Ugh, Off head, not of head.

richard mcenroe (@richard_mcenroe)
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Got a .45 case lodged between my eyeglasses and my eyelid once. Owie.

Eamon J. Cole
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Eamon J. Cole
1 year 9 months ago

The fisking (as usual) was far superior to the source material.

But, man, that was some remarkably thin gruel they were spooning out.

Dan Lane
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Dan Lane
1 year 9 months ago

Agreed. I get the feeling that the quality of the opposition has fallen off a bit in the last thirty years or so. At least thirty, more than that I’ve less clear memory of and must rely on historical texts.

Expendable Henchman
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Expendable Henchman
1 year 8 months ago

Quantity has a quality all of it’s own.

AuricTech
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AuricTech
9 months 8 days ago

Indeed. This wasn’t even Proof by Vigorous Assertion. This was more Proof by Insipid, Flaccid Assertion.

NKR
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NKR
1 year 9 months ago

Boom! Nicely done, Larry!

Derrick McMullin
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1 year 9 months ago

Well you could always read the Tribune instead

Floyd (@casusbelli117)
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1 year 9 months ago

Based.

criticaluniverse
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1 year 9 months ago

I think I need to move to Utah.

B
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B
1 year 9 months ago

Here’s something that will salve those horrible cisnormative wounds Anita endures every day:

https://squareup.com/market/liartownusa/social-justice-kitten-calendar

Joel Salomon
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1 year 9 months ago
Arwen
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1 year 9 months ago

Their description of the weeding out kittens with problematic views made me laugh.

Mike in Seattle
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1 year 9 months ago

Why is it that people who major in literary analysis and criticism and deconstruction like the original editorialist are completely incapable of any such thing?

They should demand refunds on their tuition because it ain’t workin’.

Jared Anders
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Jared Anders
1 year 9 months ago
Surprisingly enough it is still possible to get a degree in literature and still be rational. I got one not too long ago from the University Larry will be signing at on Halloween. I’m pretty sure all of my teachers were liberal, but they were those rare birds that actually respect different opinions and ideas. Heck, my mentor was an avowed atheist (lower-case a mind you) yet we could still have long discussions about religion, disagreeing the whole time, and still have a pleasant conversation. Granted, he was also the professor who taught classes on sci-fi books and recommended video… Read more »
Shawna
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Shawna
1 year 9 months ago
I got a lit degree too, not so much because it’s useful but more because it allowed me to take entire courses on things like Tolkien or sci-fi. I did get very annoyed at the way that literary criticism digs beyond the subtle meaning of works, digging entirely through the work into something that isn’t the work at all. In college, I learned two major things about literary criticism: 1. If you’re good, you can take any work at all and interpret it through any lens at all (feminism, Marxism, Christianity, whatever) and come up with some sort of essay… Read more »
Dan Lane
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Dan Lane
1 year 8 months ago
”In Utah at least our demographics result in our liberals either being more moderate than most or a lot more left-wing, It doesn’t hurt that the national level Dems rarely do anything here, they consider us a lost cause.” The Liberal mindset is one of greed, envy, and hate. When there’s relatively little there for them to envy, they tend to ignore you (fortunately). They tend to build their hives in cities. The infestation spreads from there. Here in the South, we live in some of the most beautiful country in the world, in my humble opinion (though I might… Read more »
Jared Anders
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Jared Anders
1 year 9 months ago
Yeah. That was awesome. The funny thing is, despite being a hard-core gamer I had been trying very hard not to get involved in gamergate, for my own health mostly, but also because I wasn’t sure it could actually accomplish anything. What has got me to start posting stuff about it and arguing for it wasn’t (directly) the pro-gg people, but all the vile crap put forth by the anti crowd. I mean, look at the interviews Magnatron did – same questions to a pro and anti-gger, picked for their prominent status in each group. http://mangotron.com/pro-vs-anti-gamergate-two-interviews/ Calm, reasoned discourse from… Read more »
maniakmedic
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1 year 9 months ago
Being a gamer girl myself, I’ve also been avoiding the whole gg thing. I’ve been a gamer since I was a little kid and I can honestly say I’ve never felt left out as a girl gamer. Of course, I’ve never couched my entire life in terms of my private parts (especially as a kid), so it never occurred to me to be offended that it was Mario and Luigi instead of Mario and Maria. Even now I just can’t find it in me to be offended that there aren’t tons of games with female leads. And, to be honest,… Read more »
Jared Anders
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Jared Anders
1 year 9 months ago
Its fun watching the anti-gg crowd trying so hard to ‘not notice’ the Not Your Shield group. (For those who haven’t seen it – Not Your Shield is the twitter # used for the women and minorities in gaming who are sick of the crap and sick of the people using them as a way to deflect criticism by claiming its all just misogyny or racism) Just look at who each side has as their most prominent voices. GG has Adam Baldwin, Milo Yiannopoulos, (who isn’t a gamer and has been critical of the group in the past) and the… Read more »
maniakmedic
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1 year 9 months ago
Yeah, it’s never fun having somebody who represents everything you despise claim they are representing you. I’m not a fan of being anybody’s prop. Especially when I’m being used by people who would line me up against a wall and shoot me if it was legal and they didn’t need me for their latest cause du jour. Though I do agree, it’s hilarious watching people willfully ignore entire groups because they aren’t playing along with the narrative. Even better is when those people claim to be oh-so-concerned about you and then turn into the most racist/misogynist bastards ever when you… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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1 year 9 months ago
What I find most amusing about the current gaming contretemps is that it wasn’t all that long ago that some of the very same people talking about rampant sexism/racism in gaming culture were using the idea of male gamers playing using female characters/avatars is because they were “experimenting with alternate gender rolls” (back in the “end default binary gender” thing). I’ll be honest, I use female characters/avatars for the same reason my home computer’s desktop consists of “cheesecake” pictures (not porn or even nudity–after all my 10 year old daughter uses that computer): If I’m going to spend as much… Read more »
Jared Anders
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Jared Anders
1 year 9 months ago
I just had an interesting thought. Now gamers are *actually* a really diverse group – politically, economically, socially. That said the group I think of when you ask for a demographic that has a really high percentage of gamers is the military. I wonder if the SJW types that make up the majority of the game journalists realize this? They already hate the military so going from there to hating their actual friggin audience because there are a lot of military guys and gals in it isn’t far fetched. It even fits with their cries of racism, accusations they make… Read more »
Jared Anders
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Jared Anders
1 year 9 months ago
Personally I do play about as many female characters as male, but for me its an even more basic reason – I’m sill only an S list author on Larry’s scale, so one of the things I do with games is use them as opportunities to try and get in the head of as many different types of characters as possible. Other times when the deciding question of male/female for a particular game is “which makes for the more interesting story.” And then there are games like Star Wars the Old Republic or Mass Effect where I just play through… Read more »
richard mcenroe (@richard_mcenroe)
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I only play one online game myself, MechwarriorOnline. The two prominent female MWO gamers I’m aware of (basically the No Guts, No Galaxy! circle), pretty much have cult followings. I’m sure there are other female players, but hostility seems to be the last response towards them.

Dan Bridgwater
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1 year 9 months ago

as much as I hate to take you away from real writing, I’d like to hear the bear story…

Khazlek
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Khazlek
1 year 9 months ago

OK, what does one conceal if a bear is in the list of anticipated threats?

The Phantom
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1 year 9 months ago

Sawed-off .416 Rigby double rifle. BOOM baby!

I’d be afraid to shoot it though. Can you imagine the recoil? Owie.

richard mcenroe (@richard_mcenroe)
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.460 S&W snubnose. Okay, a 4 lb. snubnose, but still…

maniakmedic
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1 year 9 months ago
Somehow I knew you’d get around to saying something about that POS passing as an informed opinion piece. Bravo! If only you could respond to the idiots in the comments (I got through maybe 10 before I had to find something else to read; something about being exposed to rampant stupidity makes me want to ram my head into the corner of a desk to stop the pain). In any case, I shall be at your booksigning with my copy of MHN. And thanks for your roll in making the U obey the law. Gives me warm fuzzies to know… Read more »
lobo314
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1 year 9 months ago

you made it through 10 comments? my hats off to you. I didn’t make it through 5 before I wanted hit someone upside the head with 2×4

maniakmedic
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1 year 9 months ago

I think I only managed it because there was one in the middle that was not anti-gun and it gave me hope there would be other sane commenters. After a few more I had to give up to avoid losing IQ points.

Bruce
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Bruce
1 year 9 months ago

Gun Free Zones == Victim Assembly Areas

Book
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Book
1 year 9 months ago

Yup. That’s why I refuse to go to gun free zones. Don’t want to get shot.

saintonge235
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1 year 9 months ago

Over at the Kratskellar, the Lt. Col. was talking about gun free zones today. You might find it interesting.

As for this editorial, it illustrates why you need to check original sources. The paper flat out lied.

Tim Covington
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1 year 9 months ago
1. The village idiot at the Deseret News needs to look up the meaning of common sense. It does not mean what she thinks it means. 2. Gamergate – If video games that met all of the social justice warrior demands would actually sell, the game companies would sell them. I do have to say that some of the game companies replies to requests from female fans often leave a LOT to be desired. It really is not asking to much to have a female avatar option for a game.But, I like to use Marvel vs. DC for an example… Read more »
Skip
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Skip
1 year 9 months ago

Are you willing to pay more for a game that contains female avatars? OK with it taking a few months longer, or trading off, say 4 multiplayer maps? I suspect if you surveyed the folks who play the games the answer would be a resounding no on all questions.

The art and animations are the primary development cost for a modern shooter, doubling the number of avatar animations needed is a non-trivial cost.

lobo314
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1 year 9 months ago

as a gamer…I’m going to say something that will probably piss you off and say that sounds a lot like a cop out. if it were that much more expensive, Why are a couple of the most popular games out there based female or multiple female leads. Tomb Raider comes to mind for longest running off the top of my head.

Shawna
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Shawna
1 year 9 months ago
In games where they make multiple male avatars, it can’t possibly more expensive to simply make one female. Where there is only one avatar, sure, it makes sense to just make it one gender, whichever they choose. Disclaimer: I don’t actually play FPS games, and for the games that I do play, such as SWTOR, I usually play male avatars because, as a woman, I enjoy looking at/listening to attractive men. (Of my max level SWTOR characters, only 1 out of 5 is a woman.) Personally, I think of my avatars as individual characters, not representations of myself. Actually, I… Read more »
junior
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junior
1 year 9 months ago

Even most first person shooters offer avatars of both genders where appropriate. Having said that, also keep in mind that in most cases its very difficult to tell the avatars apart due to the gear and/or body armor that they’re wearing (aside from the voice), and the player never actually sees their own avatar outside of the occasional in-game mirror.

Jared Anders
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Jared Anders
1 year 9 months ago
I’d put it another way. I’m less willing to pay money at all for a game that doesn’t put effort into having a variety of models/animations, without bringing gender into it at all. Take the new Sims 4. I’ve paid a lot of money over the years for Sims 1-3, even though I mostly use the Sims games as a change of pace between RPGs and the other kinds of games I play. I will not be buying the Sims 4. Why? Several reasons, but one of them is the fact that they cut corners on animation by making teens/young… Read more »
Shawna
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Shawna
1 year 9 months ago

I totally agree, Jared. Maybe I just wish that MMOs were more like RPGs, because variety in character design is very important to me in those games (and one reason I prefer SWTOR to WoW), and if anything, I wish they’d focus on it more.

Stephen J.
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Stephen J.
1 year 9 months ago
“DC – You want a movie with a female superhero? We don’t think a a Wonder Woman movie would sell. Marvel – You want a movie with a female superhero? Sure, we think Black Widow would be good.” To be fair, that’s partly because Black Widow is just a far more interesting character than Wonder Woman. With respect to the hardcore WW fans out there, as a casual comics fan who only knows what’s leaked into general pop culture (and that’s pretty much the representative demographic production decisions are based on, even now), Wonder Woman just doesn’t, to me, seem… Read more »
pohjalainen
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1 year 9 months ago

Well, even if that ordinary human boyfriend is kept, just having somebody who is some sort of near goddess falling in love with a mortal man, and both trying to deal with her obviously dominant position compared to him – if we assume the guy is not a submissive but a very traditional manly man type – and the problems that could bring into the relationship would make for possibly interesting internal conflicts.

richard mcenroe (@richard_mcenroe)
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The original Wonder Woman had a backstory, and it was Kink City, man, designed by a psychologist, William Moulton Marston, to push all manner of gender buttons, particularly B&D.

Julie Pascal
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1 year 8 months ago
My engagement with Wonder Woman was Lynda Carter, so I couldn’t possibly speak to the comics. My take on why no Wonder Woman movie was because of the people who most believed that we had to have one didn’t want one because it would be awesome, but because we were obligated to have one. So agree with you there. Some time ago I ran across someone tearing into Jos Whedon’s WW script treatment because Steve Trevor had to teach Diana how to be human… or something. My response: http://synova.blogspot.com/2014/04/why-no-wonder-woman-movie.html ” In other words, Diana isn’t feminist… she’s sexist.(…)…what people pushing… Read more »
Leit
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1 year 8 months ago

If you want to see a good conflict for WW, pick up Kingdom Come. It’s worth reading just for the spectacular art, and it also showcases how to give the “boring, invincible” characters believable personal challenges and motivations.

It shouldn’t take too much to port a similar background to other media. The trouble is that not many folks other than people who consciously identify as feminists are actually interested in developing the character, so she ends up with that being the sole, constant issue being pushed.

wyrdbard
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1 year 8 months ago

Interestingly… there’s an animated Wonder Woman movie where Steve Trevor makes the point to Wonder Woman that she needs to treat men like humans, too. (Neither of them are paragons of tolerance in that one and both learn and grow… shocking, I know. It’s not great film but it was fun.)

T.L. Knighton
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1 year 9 months ago
I have to say, not being familiar with Utah law, I’d kind of stayed out of Anita’s decision to bail from speaking at U of U. Glad you did this, just so I know that Anita just wanted to grandstand a bit more. Really, that’s all that this was about. Speaker gets death threats. It’s looked into by law enforcement. Both the school and law enforcement determined it wasn’t a credible threat, so then the speaker backs out of the engagement because the universe won’t bow down to her. As for mass shooting at police stations, the only one I… Read more »
Matt B
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Matt B
1 year 9 months ago

To add to the list, I’ll note that poor Precinct 13 has been attacked twice now.

T.L. Knighton
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1 year 9 months ago

How could I have forgotten the poor, downtrodden Precinct 13.

I mean, twice? They seriously need new “No Guns Allowed” signs.

Jordan S. Bassior
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Jordan S. Bassior
1 year 8 months ago

I think Anita’s a coward, and someone who wants to play up her alleged “victim” status.

T.L. Knighton
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1 year 8 months ago

Like so many others.

Steve S
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Steve S
1 year 9 months ago
Enjoyable response. I don’t understand the emotional reaction of some to guns in schools or universities. I expect this kind of drivel from anti gun people. At least, they are consistent. Where it surprises me is among people that should know better. I follow a libertarian leaning parenting blog. It is mostly followed by people that prize logic and they frequently ridicule things like “stranger danger” and other media driven, fear campaigns. The subject of allowing CPL holders to have guns in schools came out and people went nuts. They were convinced that bystanders would be killed in shootouts or… Read more »
Joshua
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Joshua
1 year 9 months ago

Hoplophobia is alive and well in Western civilization.

lobo314
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1 year 9 months ago

David Kantrowitz…you forgot a smelter full of molten metal dude. how could you possibly forget that one? 😛

bjlinden
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bjlinden
1 year 9 months ago

Well, the smelter was from Terminator 2. The moral of THAT one was that the only thing that can stop a bad terminator with a gun is a good terminator with a gun.

Dave W.
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1 year 9 months ago

Mike Z said on FB that the newspaper is already “moderating” their comments. So not surprised.

Pete
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Pete
1 year 9 months ago

To be fair, the Deseret News has been forced to moderate their forums due to anti-mormon trolls who enjoy posting a lot of filth and dreck. Give them the benefit of a doubt when you see deleted/censored posts on their forums.

Josiah
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Josiah
1 year 9 months ago

Only heard of Gamergate recently. I don’t follow gaming news and articles. Someone shared an article about her not doing her speech because of safety concerns, yadda yadda.

My response was,

“Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill ’em right back! Wife or no, you are no one’s property to be tossed aside. You got the right same as anyone to live and try to kill people.” – Malcolm Reynolds, Firefly

Much like the fictional character Mr. Reynolds, I am a feminist.

kamas716
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1 year 9 months ago

Reblogged this on westfargomusings and commented:
Social Justice Warriors must be among the most ignorant people on the planet. I’m surprised they are able to hold a job, let alone one at a “newspaper”.

PavePusher
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PavePusher
1 year 9 months ago

The sooner the Deseret News facilities burn to the ground, the better off Utah will be.

Anyone know how to generate a severe electrical storm over a limited area?

bjlinden
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bjlinden
1 year 9 months ago

This is quite obviously a credible death threat, which clearly gives the Deseret News every right to have your house searched and have any weapons, flammable materials, or electrical equipment confiscated, as well as shutting down power to all buildings within several blocks around their facilities.

Arwen
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1 year 9 months ago

Well, they’re still better than the Tribune …

Free-range Oyster
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1 year 9 months ago

Talk about damning with faint praise!

Blond_Engineer
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Blond_Engineer
1 year 9 months ago

Oh, how I’ve missed the fisking. I’ve actually been hoping someone would say/write something stupid enough to get your ire up. These brighten up my day so much, because they prove that while there might be a lot of idiots living in terrifying nightmare realms of gun massacres of innocent children and feminazis out there, there are also people who live in the real world where reasonable precautions and a little practical thinking make the whole world a little saner and a little safer.

Shawna
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Shawna
1 year 9 months ago

These are always entertaining to read. Thanks for the reminder that not everyone in the world is an emotionally reactive idiot.

Lea
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Lea
1 year 9 months ago

I would probably be more sympathetic to this woman getting death threats if I knew who she was to be getting them.

As it is, she seems to be a bit of a drama queen.

ofnir
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ofnir
1 year 8 months ago
Very much so. She makes feminist whine videos about video games. Sometimes she has a point, sometimes she doesn’t, and other times it’s obvious she has no clue what she’s talking about. I made the mistake of pointing out some of the factual errors in her videos back before #gamergate. Got called a misogynist, homophobe, etc. and got the death threats by her gang of white knights. Like Larry said, that’s what happens when you get into online arguments. I just deleted the threats and moved on. I did, however, just get called a terrorist by an acquaintance for not… Read more »
dgarsys
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dgarsys
1 year 8 months ago
Sometimes she has a point, sometimes she doesn’t, and other times it’s obvious she has no clue what she’s talking about. And sometimes, she simply makes shit up. Watch her piece on Hitman, that she uses as a picture-perfect example about how game dev and gamers are encouraged to punish women for expressing their sexuality. In a game of 20-odd levels, ONE has s trip club involved. Very little of the level is in the club, and of the two routes yu can take past a certain point, only one leads past the dancers. As a general mechanic, you are… Read more »
ofnir
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ofnir
1 year 8 months ago

dgarsys, oh, I as being overly generous. The thing that got me the death threats was criticizing the “woman in the fridge” rant she went off on. She included Lords of Shadow as a game that glorifies the revenge quest; but /spoilers/ seeing as it destroys Belmont and makes him into Dracula, effectively the prime evil on earth, her point is kinda undermined by including it.

thewriterinblack
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1 year 8 months ago

but /spoilers/ seeing as it destroys Belmont and makes him into Dracula,

Reminds me of some of the “feminist” ranting about The Avengers, specifically that Loki said some bad things to Black Widow that were viewed as sexist (I believe the term “mewling quim” was involved). Apparently they forgot that Loki was the bad guy. He’s supposed to do “bad things” and this part was simply to show 1) that Loki really is bad and 2) how utterly awesome Black Widow is (given how that scene ended).

T.L. Knighton
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1 year 8 months ago

Remember, it’s fine to try and enslave all of humanity. It’s quite another thing to say non-PC approved things.

The latter makes you true evil. The first? That just makes you a progressive. 😀

Patrick
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Patrick
1 year 9 months ago
Larry Corriea: “I’m doing a book signing at the U of U bookstore on Halloween day. Since these are Larry Correia fans, I’m assuming there will be so many concealed weapons there that it will be like the opposite of a gun free zone, and probably the safest place on campus. 🙂 ” Larry I propose an experiment. Like that restaurant that was in the news recently offering discounts to concealed carry holders in their restaurant, I say, anyone that shows up and shows you their CCW you offer to let them buy a MHI patch on the spot. They… Read more »
biochemiker
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1 year 9 months ago

I went to Larry’s book signing in Minneapolis on July 3rd. I was definitely carrying and I doubt I was the only one. I would have loved to buy an MHI patch or a challenge coin!

James May
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1 year 9 months ago
This is what we should be doing with GamerGate, SFF and tech: radical feminists are constantly pushing for anti-harassment policies at conventions; it is one of the things they never shut up about. Recently John Scalzi proudly blogged about a sign at the New York Comic Con. That sign read in part: “We have a ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY for harassment of any kind… in relation to, but not limited to: Race * Color… * Gender * Gender Identity.” In fact, social justice warriors harass humans based on being white, men and heterosexuals 24/7 in the tech, SF and video-gaming communties… Read more »
Kristophr
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1 year 9 months ago

Anita Sarkeesian is infamous for having one post sock puppets make death threats against her, vanish mysteriously, and then she starts fund-raising to “combat” these death threats.

Any claim of a death-threat by Anita should be roundly ignored.

Ted N
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Ted N
1 year 9 months ago

My money is on this being another sock puppet, just bounced through a Brazilian ip.

And when they get caught and called out as the liars they are, they’ll scream that somebody was thinking it, just because it was faked doesn’t mean it’s not real, or some other broken twisted tumblr logic.

NR Pax
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NR Pax
1 year 9 months ago

You forgot the other one. “I wanted to open a dialogue about discrimination and harassment.”

Jordan S. Bassior
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Jordan S. Bassior
1 year 8 months ago

Anita has obviously never heard either of “the boy who cried wolf,” or of copycats. This is a dangerous strategy on her part, for those reasons.

Joshua
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Joshua
1 year 9 months ago

Anita Sarkeesian has cried wolf a few times already. If these were credible threats, then report them to the police, not on your Twitter feed. Oh, what’s that you say?

I thought so. They weren’t credible death threats, just sympathy bait. Are you going to send this fisk to the paper? It’d be great to see if they print it. After all, you’re a somewhat well-known local SME.

thewriterinblack
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1 year 9 months ago

You keep using the term, but last time I checked “wishful thinking” and “emotionally laden nonsense” weren’t synonyms with “common sense”.

The inevitable “Inigo Montoya Moment” (or moments, usualy moments. Lots of them) of any leftist rant.

Of course, they just want some “sensible” (there’s one” “common sense” (there’s another) restrictions on “irresponsible” (and one more) use of guns, right? No one actually wants to take our guns, right?

http://thewriterinblack.blogspot.com/2014/09/nobody-wants-to-take-your-guns.html

NKR
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NKR
1 year 9 months ago

Wow! Your list has really grown since the last time I saw it. Good work!

Lauren
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1 year 9 months ago

Um…While I love the fisk, Larry, isn’t this something like shooting gnats with a cannon? If your goal is to make big holes in things it works well, but this gnat is way below your level.

Dave W.
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1 year 9 months ago

Well, it’s Larry’s local paper. Gotta keep your backyard clean!

Lea
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Lea
1 year 9 months ago

Is the local paper really owned by the church? Did I read that right? Must be a utah thing.

junior
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junior
1 year 9 months ago

I’m not sure how the ownership of the Deseret News works out, but I’m pretty sure that the LDS Church doesn’t directly manage it.

pavepusher
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1 year 9 months ago

The DN is generally considered to be the LDS print mouthpiece.

Albert
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Albert
1 year 9 months ago

Well, you have to remember that the Church doesn’t practice _terribly_ strict message control, outside of the core doctrines(For God so loved the world that He sent His Only Begotten Son, that whosoever etc. everlasting life; that the falling away did happen and was complete; that Joseph Smith was called to restore the Living Gospel; etc. and so on). So for every “You’ve seen the play, now read the book” we also have someone getting butthurt about the Gentiles laughing at our temple garments.

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James May
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1 year 9 months ago
“All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics.” – Southern Poverty Law Center. “I’d dig up the pulp version of #gamergate but the very thought fills me with ennui. Basically cretinous fanboys have never liked women.” – SFF historian Jess Nevins “…it’s not b/c I dislike white dudes, it’s because White Dudes rarely examine their privilege, which is the underlying issue” – WisCon organizer and panelist K. Tempest Bradford. “the tech industry is built on cultural appropriation, privilege, abuse, whiteness, maleness” – “The people who run the… Read more »
mawz
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1 year 9 months ago

It’s worth noting that the threat writer threatened another ‘Montreal Massacre’.

The only people who refer to the Ecole Polytechnique shooting 20-ish years ago that way are hard-core SJW’s. Most people simply have never heard of it, and the majority of those who have (Canadians), simply recall it as the Ecole Polytechnique shooting.

BTW, contrary to most of the writing about it, it was an Islamic Terror attack most similar to Ft. Hood. And by similar I mean right down to the authorities insisting the radical Islamic shooter had no religious or terrorist intentions despite clearly worded writings.

Tesh
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Tesh
1 year 9 months ago

As I understand it, Sarkeesian is from that area, too. You write what you know?

dferg
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dferg
1 year 9 months ago

Larry,

I think you were part of gamer gate. I think the gen con nonsense was an opening shot of gamer gate.

Df

Kent G. Budge
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1 year 9 months ago

“Not to mention they tracked it back to originating in Brazil,”

I wonder if this was the same miscreant who frequenty sends vile comments to a blog I help run.

SPQR
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1 year 9 months ago

I figured it was Glenn Greenwald’s cabana boy’s latest sock puppet.

Elader (@EladerArkon)
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1 year 9 months ago

“If you are a regular blog reader who followed Sad Puppies at all, same thing, same crusaders, same song, different industry.”

And, probably for the first time, an industry whose consumers are just as tech savvy, aggressive, and stubborn as they are. What we are watching is likely the first time these activists have met their match and are going to lose, and that reason alone is why everyone should be paying attention to GamerGate.

I know Mercedes, Intel, and Adobe have all withdrawn ad space from that hellhole Gawker so far…

tariencole
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1 year 9 months ago

Reblogged this on The Worlds of Tarien Cole and commented:
Why is it that nine out of ten times I see an appeal to ‘common sense,’ it is neither ‘common’ nor ‘sensible’?

Common sense is not what your ideology says you should believe. That is Groupthink. Do yourself a favor, and think for yourself. You’ll arrive at wisdom–which is quite uncommon–far more often.

dgarsys
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dgarsys
1 year 9 months ago
I know a lot of hay has been made over the “death threats” – and in all fairness, Ken Burnside over at a posting on Erics blog brought up that he’s seen some pretty vile crap end up in lady developer mailboxes. That said – a lot of old-school lady developers (I refuse to call them women or girls, they’re classier than that) will also come right out and tell you that if anything, the tech community bent over backwards to let them in. Also – as you pointed out, the level of “death threat” they’re getting is the norm… Read more »
S1AL
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1 year 9 months ago

After lurking for a few months, I have to say that I love your blog. I’ve been passing around a few of the classics (gun control and “president lady parts” in particular) and going through your archives. Always good for a laugh.

Anyways, my question is: which book should I get first? I kinda feel like Grimnoir Chronicles, but I was wondering if you guys have a better recommendation

Eamon J. Cole
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Eamon J. Cole
1 year 9 months ago

Oh, yeah, Larry’s right. Grimnoir is awesome. Fantastic jumping off point.

Albert
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Albert
1 year 9 months ago

Yep. Larry showed the world how you do superheroes right. Neither 4-color nor grimdark flavors of immaturity.

Pox Vay
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1 year 9 months ago
“A state institution having to obey state law? Crazy. ” Their are always exceptions. You wouldn’t let folks bring guns into a courtroom and it’s certainly more of a public institution than a school. Then there’s the fact that a specific threat has been levied in this situation. That should be enough to warrant a no-gun policy for an event. My biggest problem with the “Law-abiding types” argument is that everyone’s a law-abiding type until they’re not. Humans aren’t historically stable in that regard. A person who’s peaceful one day may be violent the next. How much more damage does… Read more »
Joseph Capdepon II
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1 year 9 months ago
Oh look, a troll. In Texas, CHL holders are allowed to carry in the Capitol building. They actually have a line that they can go through to bypass the normal line. All you have to have is your CHL. So yes, they can carry their weapon into the Capitol building. “My biggest problem with the “Law-abiding types” argument is that everyone’s a law-abiding type until they’re not. Humans aren’t historically stable in that regard. A person who’s peaceful one day may be violent the next. How much more damage does that person do with a gun?” I don’t know if… Read more »
Pox Vay
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1 year 9 months ago

Projection? Interesting theory. Except for all the mass shootings that used, at least in part, legally obtained guns. Or the fact that less gun-related deaths are reported in states with stricter gun laws.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map

Jared Anders
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Jared Anders
1 year 9 months ago
Wow. A cursory glance at that link shows they don’t know as much about guns as they think they do. “Semi-automatic handguns” and revolvers are separate lines on the table. Taking their numbers at face value (to be fair to them they at least say they’ve taken out gang violence, but on the other hand they’re counting the shooter among the victims) that’s still less than 2 times a year in a nation of 300 million+ people that committed this heinous crime with legally bought guns. How many incidences are there a year where people are killed because of legally… Read more »
dgarsys
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dgarsys
1 year 9 months ago
yeah – the part where you think everybody is one small bad day away from going nuts “Falling Down” style…. that may qualify. Population and crime statistics don’t bear that out. As to the “legally obtained” weapons – no, they weren’t. Murdering someone to get to their guns is illegal. Falsifying the documentation, or buying weapons when you’re not eligible due to existing police issues or mental issues, is illegal. And honestly – while I’m perfectly aware that pyros tend to have different triggers than shooters – if guns weren’t available, there are far, FAR more deadly things you could… Read more »
thewriterinblack
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1 year 9 months ago

“Falling Down” style

Even in that movie the writers and director knew they couldn’t make “ordinary guy who snapped” plausible and had to give him a back story of ongoing mental problems.

The “ordinary guy who just loses it and snaps” is almost entirely a myth. I won’t say it can’t happen, but it’s so rare that I’m far more worried about being struck by lightning.

dgarsys
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dgarsys
1 year 9 months ago

A history of mental problems? Gee – that sounds familiar. I wonder what most of the active shooters in the last five or ten years have had in common?

Pox Vay
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1 year 9 months ago

It may be true that most people who ‘snap’ have had mental issues in the past. But there’s plenty of undiagnosed mental conditions in the world. And if they’re undiagnosed they aren’t caught in background checks. Even if they are diagnosed it’s no guarantee. Seung Hui Cho obtained a legal gun and he was clearly disturbed.

This whole “cars are dangerous too” argument is baloney. Cars are dangerous, horseback riding is dangerous. But guns are designed to kill people (and animals). The comparison doesn’t work.

thewriterinblack
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1 year 9 months ago
It may be true that most people who ‘snap’ have had mental issues in the past. But there’s plenty of undiagnosed mental conditions in the world. And if they’re undiagnosed they aren’t caught in background checks. Even if they are diagnosed it’s no guarantee. Seung Hui Cho obtained a legal gun and he was clearly disturbed. The answer there is to improve the mental health diagnosis and treatment systems in the US. Instead, you want to restrict the rights of every other person in the country. One way deals with the actual issue. The other, at best, deals with a… Read more »
T.L. Knighton
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1 year 9 months ago

Even if they are diagnosed it’s no guarantee. Seung Hui Cho obtained a legal gun and he was clearly disturbed.

And he had been mentally adjudicated as such. He lied on his paperwork, making the purchase illegal. But nice try.

This whole “cars are dangerous too” argument is baloney.

You mean like everything else you’ve said so far?

dgarsys
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dgarsys
1 year 9 months ago
Oh Pox, Are you really that determined to prove that reading comprehension is not your thing? It may be true that most people who ‘snap’ have had mental issues in the past. So far so good….. (but that never lasts) But there’s plenty of undiagnosed mental conditions in the world. And they keep making more up every year – and in some places, simply opposing the government can get you put it an insane asylum…. And if they’re undiagnosed they aren’t caught in background checks. See the above point by the writer in black. Yes – we need our mental… Read more »
T.L. Knighton
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1 year 9 months ago

Hey now. No fair confronting Pox’s feelz with those mean, nasty facts!

Dr. Mauser
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1 year 9 months ago

Right, and as was pointed out above, leaving out 9/11, the largest mass murder in this country was carried out with a gallon or so of gas and a lighter. (And the largest school killing was in Germany, which has very strict gun laws.)

dgarsys
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dgarsys
1 year 9 months ago
Oh boy oh by oh boy – I’m always glad to see such genius at work. First – reading comprehension. Then there’s the fact that a specific threat has been levied in this situation. That should be enough to warrant a no-gun policy for an event. Did you miss the part about the state law that Larry brought up – that would have allowed the school to make the site a secure zone? Leaving aside the validity of the threat, given where it came from, the school very well COULD have instituted such a policy, anchose not to BAD facts,… Read more »
dgarsys
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dgarsys
1 year 9 months ago

lost track of closing out the bold tags….

T.L. Knighton
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1 year 9 months ago
I’m going to reply to two different posts in this one, so please try and keep up. “A state institution having to obey state law? Crazy. ” Their are always exceptions. You wouldn’t let folks bring guns into a courtroom and it’s certainly more of a public institution than a school. If state law said that courtrooms had to permit folks to let their guns in, then you bet your ass most of us would expect them to comply with the law. A courtroom? Really, that’s your response? State law in Utah permits carry on campuses. If a courtroom was… Read more »
Jeff Gauch
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Jeff Gauch
1 year 9 months ago

“You might want to go back to Mother Jones or ThinkProgress until you can bring a better argument”

Isn’t that a bit like telling him to get back into the pool until he dries off?

T.L. Knighton
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1 year 9 months ago

Well, it’s not like he’s going to find a better argument over at one of the gun forums. Mostly because there isn’t one.

I really just want him to go away. I don’t mind debate, but any time someone pulls the “think critically” then promptly puts their head in the sand regarding what they just saw, it tells me that they don’t have the capability to really debate the subject.

Lauren
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1 year 9 months ago

Did you really just post a link to a Mother Jones article as an unbiased source? And tell our armed ancestors that they were part of a possibly deadly social experiment? And imply that Illinois, California and New York have low crime rates?

I think we have a winner! 😛

T.L. Knighton
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1 year 9 months ago

Yeah, kind of the trifecta of fail.

thewriterinblack
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1 year 9 months ago
Hey, Larry, is Clamps back? You wouldn’t let folks bring guns into a courtroom and it’s certainly more of a public institution than a school. Does Utah state law forbid courtrooms from prohibiting guns to people licensed to carry? If not, then this is a red herring and, therefore, a logical fallacy. My biggest problem with the “Law-abiding types” argument is that everyone’s a law-abiding type until they’re not. By the same logic no one’s a pedophile until they are. Should we, then, require people to have licenses and show “good cause” for an internet connection lest they use it… Read more »
T.L. Knighton
Guest
1 year 9 months ago

Now that scene is fiction, from a movie, but the same kind of scenario has played out in real life more than once.

There’s a reason that you don’t hear about gun stores being robbed on a semi-regular basis.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 9 months ago

Nah. This is the guy who hates Vox Day so much he models himself on him. 😉

dgarsys
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dgarsys
1 year 9 months ago

models himself on him POORLY

there – fixed that… 😉

Vox may be abrasive, blunt, and even arrogant, but usually has his facts in a row even if the conclusions and weights aren’t always what we would give them. You have to THINK to debate Vox when you disagree, and it is wise to do so only if you very careful parse what was said to make sure you understood it..

Vox also writes some pretty nifty stories – Wardog’s Coin and Opera Vita were both great.

This Pox guy – not so much.

Tom Kratman
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1 year 9 months ago

Nah, Marston’s white.

SPQR
Guest
1 year 9 months ago

Your comment is hilarious in that everything you purport to tell us is flat out the opposite of reality.

T.L. Knighton
Guest
1 year 9 months ago

Well, he provided a link to Mother Jones to illustrate his point as if it were an unbiased and impartial source.

Clearly, he and reality have never met.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 9 months ago

Come on, it’s Mother Jones!

Mother. Jones.

Tarl
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Tarl
1 year 9 months ago

That is Leftism in a nutshell — aggressively opposed to reality.

Patrick Chester
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Patrick Chester
1 year 9 months ago

My biggest problem with the “Law-abiding types” argument is that everyone’s a law-abiding type until they’re not.

Ah, the cry of the statist.

Honestly, Larry, try to think critically.

Look in a mirror.

The Phantom
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1 year 9 months ago

Go look at CBC Canada, right now. Sometimes its not some guy who “snaps” you know. Sometimes its your nation’s enemies doing war on you.

Canada is being attacked by terrorists, right now. This very minute. Unless they got the guy since I turned off the TV to type this.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 9 months ago

I know. I’ve been watching it for the past two hours.

The Phantom
Guest
1 year 9 months ago

Comments at Small Dead Animals blog indicate SUN TV may be a better bet, they were onto this thing while CBC was still showing cartoons at 9:30am.

Lea
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Lea
1 year 9 months ago

There are certainly cases where guns have saved lives. But there’s plenty of others where they’ve done squat.
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IOW, net positive for carrying?

Jordan S. Bassior
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Jordan S. Bassior
1 year 8 months ago
My biggest problem with the “Law-abiding types” argument is that everyone’s a law-abiding type until they’re not. Humans aren’t historically stable in that regard. A person who’s peaceful one day may be violent the next. How much more damage does that person do with a gun? If he’s not deterred by the illegality of shooting people, how much more deterred is he by the illegality of carrying a firearm? Seriously, Pox, do you really believe that there are that many people who think “I’d like to shoot people, but it’s illegal for me to carry a gun, so I can’t?”… Read more »
Tom Kratman
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1 year 8 months ago

Where did you acquire this delusion of intellectual adequacy?

Dr. Mauser
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1 year 8 months ago

Alas, he’s long gone now.

Julie Pascal
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1 year 9 months ago
I got into it about this thing on… I think it was Crooks and Liars… and the oh so reasonable concern was that a CCW permit holder would attend the talk, hear something that made him mad, and lose his temper and rationality and haul off and start shooting… with NO intention before hand to do so. I, too, suggested that the chances of someone going to hear Anita talk who was even slightly likely to disagree with her even mildly was about zip. I wasn’t nearly as entertaining as Larry, though, when I said it. I also pissed them… Read more »
Shawna
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Shawna
1 year 9 months ago

I really like your use of pronouns. That makes a very good point without really even having to say it.

Lea
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Lea
1 year 9 months ago

I like that too!

Of course, that (someone getting angry randomly and getting violent) could happen any time, anywhere and it’s about equally unlikely.

dsligon
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1 year 9 months ago
Not sure if it was mentioned above, but the real issue for her wasn’t that Utah wouldn’t change their laws, but that Utah wouldn’t frisk the students who wanted to attend. That is right. She demanded full on pat downs for anyone who wished to enter and listen to her droning on and on about the evils of men. To add to this mind you, this was the Taggart center conference room. The room only has one entrance and can only hold maybe 100. She was more likely to catch a cold than have any risk to her life. To… Read more »
Dr. Mauser
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1 year 9 months ago

My response might have only been two words. No, not THOSE two words.

nor should arguments that a room full of people with concealed weapons is a deterrent to a deranged criminal be given credence.

“Why not?”

Jeff Gauch
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Jeff Gauch
1 year 9 months ago

Because if you give them any credence at all they’ll completely torpedo her argument.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG
1 year 9 months ago

Wonder if she would be just as freaked about legally carried guns if she was addressing a room full of law enforcement officers?

After all, the current SJW hue and cry is about the “trigger happy”, racist nature of the police. Would she then demand they disarm before attending?

Jonathan
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Jonathan
1 year 9 months ago

Larry, settle this for once and for all: Does a bear shoot in the woods?

The Phantom
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1 year 9 months ago
For those of you interested in the inevitable outcome of liberal gun policy, please turn your eyes to CBC News as there is an active shooter running around on Parliament Hill in Ottawa. That’s Canada, for you low-information social justice warrior types. The shooter, who is surely Amish or at least Presbyterian, began his day of fun by shooting one of the guards at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, about a 30 second run from the Parliament Buildings. There may or may not be more than one shooter, just to add to the enjoyment. This is the equivalent of… Read more »
Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 9 months ago

I have no doubt that our opposition parties will blame this on gun laws rather than Islamic extremism. None.

The Phantom
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1 year 9 months ago

Agreed. I take consolation in the fact that they were all in there today, in pants-pissing terror, while the police dealt with the results of their policies these last 40 years. From news reports there was a very great deal of lead in the air for a few seconds right outside the caucus room doors.

Not very often the people who caused the problem get to stare down the barrel, but they did today in Ottawa.

On the positive side, the soldier who got shot is apparently still alive. Hang in there buddy.

The Phantom
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1 year 9 months ago

Update on the soldier’s condition, SUN TV news reports he has died. They also report he was with the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada, based in Hamilton Ontario. My old unit.

Small world. Looks like I have a funeral to go to.

The Phantom
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1 year 9 months ago
Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 9 months ago

I’m very sorry to hear that. My deepest condolences.

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Fruitbat44
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Fruitbat44
1 year 9 months ago

SJW, professional victim or crusader, or whatever Ms Sarkeesian is doesn’t change the fact that the people who issued death threats to her are scum, and the ones who issued rape threats are misogynistic scum.

Eamon J. Cole
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Eamon J. Cole
1 year 9 months ago

True. I doubt anybody here would contest the labels. And quite a few here would step up to defend her from such.

Doesn’t mitigate the silliness.

Tesh
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Tesh
1 year 9 months ago

This, of course, assumes that they are legit. If they are false flags, the people involved are also scum, just of a different stripe.

James May
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1 year 9 months ago
Have we really gotten to the point we have to make pronouncements water is wet? Are you contrasting this to all the people who believe death threats are fun and good and rape threats too? Take it up with the people who actually do such things and don’t allow them to be smeared onto millions of people who don’t, and that includes this word that mysteriously has no opposite: “misogyny.” Unless one is a fool, maintaining there is no opposite is… “misandry.” I’ve had it up to here listening to morons in the SFF and gaming community get on Twitter… Read more »
maniakmedic
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1 year 9 months ago

“Really? At what late date in their lives did they figure that one out?”

When you figure that out maybe you’ll be able to tell me why the military is still laboring under the assumption that every single troop apparently doesn’t understand rape is wrong. Because I can’t for the life of me think of any other reason that it makes sense for me to have to sit through a two-part (meaning several hours) briefing and discussion every year telling me what I already know: rape is bad, m’kay?

James May
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1 year 9 months ago

What about the theory water is wet? Were you immersed in a lake to make that point? What about lava? I’ve heard rumors it is hot – very hot. I was warned to never drink it. It is not wet like water.

av willis
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av willis
1 year 9 months ago

I’ll admit, before these shenanigans kicked off, I had never heard of this bird, but someone on another blog brought up a really good point. Apparently one of her pet peeves in video games is the “damsel in distress” trope. And yet her first reaction when she is allegedly threatened is to run to the police while at the same time denying anyone else in the theoretical danger zone the remotest chance of self sufficiency.

Julie Pascal
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1 year 9 months ago

“Damsel in distress” is a trope for a reason. If the damsel is in distress only because she’s a nincompoop… that’s something else again.

thewriterinblack
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1 year 9 months ago
“Damsel in distress” is a trope for a reason. Consider one of the “Damsel in distress” cases that the GHH’s get their glitter filled panties in a bunch over: “Slave” Leia. Leia failed in her task and was enslaved and humiliated, they say. But they never look beyond that. Yet consider. If she had “succeeded” that would have left Chewbacca and Lando in Jabba’s clutches. Oh, Lando’s cover was yet unbroken and he should be able to exfil, but Chewbacca? We can only imagine what tortures Jabba would have inflicted on him in the event Leia had escaped with Han.… Read more »
Achillea
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1 year 9 months ago

Another ‘damsel in distress’ the SJWs pitched a fit over was mentioned upthread — Black Widow. I mean, the very idea of her being threatened by The Hulk was bad enough to them, but being visibly shaken by it? Totally unacceptable. The fact that that made her taking deep breath and heading back into the chaos to rescue her partner all the more epically badass flew right over their heads.

T.L. Knighton
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1 year 9 months ago
Let’s take a look at the other Avengers at that moment in the movie. Hmmm….A super soldier, a god, a guy in super high tech armor, and a fairly normal yet bad ass assassin. The normal yet bad ass assassin goes toe to toe with one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel universe, one that gets stronger as he gets madder, one that clubbed a Norse god like he was a baby seal, and they’re upset that she was shaken? Geez…I’d have pissed my pants being up close and personal with a rage beast who wanted to use… Read more »
James May
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1 year 9 months ago

Trying to use logic in what radical feminists say will only lead you in circles. They have only one rule: men are wrong and women are right. They talk as if they are expressing an actual idea but all roads always lead to the same place and you can never win. They are generally people with mental health issues, charlatans, or hopelessly naive people who’ve never left the internet cave.

Patrick Chester
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Patrick Chester
1 year 9 months ago

Whaaaaaaaa….. someone faced down the Incredible Hulk and was shaken by an encounter with that green bundle of rage?!

Shocking.

Dr. Mauser
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1 year 9 months ago

Heh, I recently pictured a scene with the Hulk and Black Widow. She’s stepping aside to let him barrel through and saying “Rage before Beauty.”

jabrwok
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1 year 9 months ago

Speaking of the Avengers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMXUALG5AbE

Age of Ultron, official trailer.

pavepusher
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1 year 9 months ago

From the little I’ve perused of this f**ktardery, the people who claim to feel terrorized, bullied and threatened are the same folks who refuse to take responsibility for their own safety. That’s always someone else’s job or problem.

People who are armed and/or trained for, and mentally prepared and accepting of, self-defense, seem to find the threats much less credible.

Not definitive, but it certainly seems to be a trend to me.

Tom Kratman
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1 year 9 months ago
Posted this in the Keller the day before larry mentioned the Sarkeesian twat. “So I was contemplating gun free zones… and the natural right of self defense, and it occurred to me that international law has something relevant to say about GFZs. A blockade, to be binding, must be effective. It seems to me that a GFZ, to be binding, given the inherent right of self defense, must or at least ought be effective, too. By that I mean that any institution that controls a portion of the Earth’s surface, or of a structure thereon, can certainly declare itself a… Read more »
Tarl
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Tarl
1 year 9 months ago

Add language that includes schools and you’re all set!

Tom Kratman
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1 year 9 months ago

No, because I want it to be true of everything. “Call anything you want a gun free zone, federal, sate, local or private, but unless it is enforced enough to be effective, such that it locally takes over from the natural right of self defense, assuming the full burden of that defense, it is legally nugatory, at _every_ level, for _every_ entity.”

nick flandrey
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nick flandrey
1 year 9 months ago
Hi Tom, isn’t this what the court in CO decided in the Aurora theater case? From the press coverage, it sounded like the court decided that by denying the patrons the means to defend themselves, the theater assumed ALL of the responsibility and necessity of doing so, and incurred liability when they failed. I was waiting for the lawsuit floodgates to open, but then I’ve heard nothing more. I’ve noted that my YMCA bans legal guns but does nothing to check for illegal guns, and completely fails to provide any armed security for the children in its daycare. How is… Read more »
Tom Kratman
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1 year 9 months ago
It’s the diff between civil and criminal liability, Nick. Right now, generally speaking, there is criminal liability for being caught carrying in a GFZ, and no civil liability for the entity in control of the property if something happens to you because you were not carrying. Worst of all worlds, IMNSHO. Matt’s approach was to make it a civil liability, by adding a duty to protect. I would rather remove the criminal liability by making it a duty to ensure the GFZ IS a GFZ, or not treating is as a GFZ. There’s room for both approaches, I think.
Tom Kratman
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1 year 9 months ago

And glad you like them, thanks.

SPQR
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1 year 9 months ago

No, the court ruling wasn’t that. It was that the civil complaint alleged sufficient “facts” (not yet proven ) that the theater should have known of the risk and taken steps. At this early stage, that means little.

Tom Kratman
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1 year 9 months ago

@SPQR. It actually does mean something. That the theater lost that motion means that an important line of defense, one they probably asssumed was a slam dunk, is somewhere between iffy and lost to them. That makes, at a bare minimum, the settlement value of the case go up.

SPQR
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1 year 9 months ago

Tom, oh you are quite correct there. I meant that the court didn’t adopt the idea that the “no firearms” policy itself created liability for the theater.

nick flandrey
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nick flandrey
1 year 8 months ago

Thanks Tom, that helps clarify it. I’d remove the criminalization of CC too, but if I can’t get that, I want the civil burden to be so heavy and costly that they abandon the ban.

nick

Tom Kratman
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1 year 8 months ago

Problem is that civil liability won’t work with a government entity; it will just pass the cost to taxpayers in a way a business can’t quite and still compete. For the government, you need to make it impossible to enforce without actually enforcing it AND providing for people to secure themselves outside of the government property.

Tarl
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Tarl
1 year 9 months ago

But then you’d have the quibble about whether a school is a “property owner whose premises are open to the public”.

Tom Kratman
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1 year 9 months ago

Not really. At least I don’t think so. “I didn’t mention “propert open to the public,” after all. The boilerplate of any entity whatsoever _should_ cover it.

bassmanco
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1 year 9 months ago

Any idea why this post disappeared from the main site? It is the book recommendation for Mrs. Wright’s new book, then the Book Bomb for “The Chaplain’s War”.

Achillea
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1 year 9 months ago

That is strange, isn’t it? And it looks like there’s less space than normal between the two posts where it should be.

CMB
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CMB
1 year 9 months ago

I note the same here, there being at least 4 missing posts from the front page.

Jason Hall
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1 year 9 months ago

And remember, that death threat came from a country that bans private ownership of firearms.

Yet when I lived there I knew of lots of people killed by them. From police and citizens.

Kenneth Anderson
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1 year 9 months ago
The funny thing about concealed weapon carriers is that some of us are better trained with a firearm than many of the police. As an example: I was a certified peace officer at one point in the state of Utah before I went active duty in the Army just prior to 9/11. In the army I served for 10 years as an airborne infantry soldier. I have probably had more range time than all of Logan PD and USU PD together, and that doesn’t count real combat time spent through multiple tours in Iraq. As stated in the blog anybody… Read more »
SPQR
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1 year 8 months ago

Wasn’t in the service myself but likewise have many many thousands of rounds downrange.

Daddy Warpig
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1 year 9 months ago
Daddy Warpig here, reporting from neck deep in #GamerGate. Anita Sarkeesian has been cyberstalked, including death threats, by a demented games journalist. GG has shut his accounts down repeatedly, but he returns. He is from… Brazil. I find it shocking that death threats against Sarkeesian come from the same country as an individual known for copious death threats against Sarkeesian. I find it curious she instead (and without proof) attributed these Brazilian death threats to all gamers involved in an ongoing consumer revolt against biased journalism. Telling the truth doesn’t bring mad Patreon money, I guess. @daddy_warpig on Twitter if… Read more »
Dr. Mauser
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1 year 9 months ago

Heh, I RT’ed ONE thing that was more about SJW tactics and instantly had some both fave and RT it simply because of the GamerGate tag on it. Makes me wonder what OTHER bots have been deployed and to what ends….

James May
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1 year 9 months ago

Gender feminists and their backers are as quick to multiply one bad person into multiples, (i.e. one bad straight, white, male equals 300 million homophobic, racist, misogynists) as they are to NEVER do the same negative profiling to gay people, women or non-whites.

Sarkeesian sees misogyny everywhere and misandry nowhere because equality. They don’t want to diversify that aspect of being human or make it inclusive, just the good stuff, kinda like how the Ku Klux Klan operates.

Daddy Warpig
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1 year 8 months ago

Life After the Death of #GamerGate

The reign of the SJW, as foreshadowed by the adventures of the Evil League of Evil.

Kick Ass Geek Cast
Monday, Oct. 27 7-7:30pm Eastern

Tune in!

(This is the show the gracious Sarah Hoyt would have been on, had not a crucial piece of equipment broke, forcing me to push on alone. All four members of the ELoE will be highlighted, as well as their struggles against the SJW.)

Dr. Mauser
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1 year 8 months ago

Weird, I’ve never seen the countdown thing on YouTube before.

Daddy Warpig
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1 year 8 months ago

It only appears on live events. This show starts in 25 hours, so it’s counting down to that.

After the show is over, you can use the same link to listen to a recording.

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
1 year 8 months ago

I thought there were more than four in the Evil League of Evil.

Tom Kratman
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1 year 8 months ago

There are, if memory serves, nine members of the ELOE.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 8 months ago

Won’t be complete until there are 13 members.

“Banded together from remote galaxies are thirteen of the most sinister villains of all time . . . “

Daddy Warpig
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1 year 8 months ago
According to John C. Wright’s blog, there are currently 12 ELoE members, with one pending (assuming he can carry out the requisite murder). I am given to understand that the four members of the ELoE I referred to are the only ones in this particular blob of space-time. In better news, despite the equipment breakdown, the show went well, and the Evil Brain in a Jar even took time out to listen and send me some courteous feedback. Which didn’t suck. 🙂 The show is available above. If you have time, you might give it a listen. It’s all about… Read more »
James May
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1 year 8 months ago

Nothing will happen in gaming, really. Just like SFF, people will ignore the core community that despises them and spend their money on the equivalent of Harry Potter, Twilight and Hunger Games. I don’t think anyone will adapt Ancillary Justice into a best-selling game where your avatar could be one of 18 kabillion sexes anytime soon. If gaming and SFF wanted to be transgender-centric they already would be.

Tom Kratman
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1 year 8 months ago

DWP, based on voting records for the official Evil League of Evil theme song vote (punch line: “My thoughts will not cater to dic- or cuntator…”) I count eleven. it is possible, i suppose that B’rer Wright carries the proxy for his wife, though she’s not really evil enough.

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
1 year 8 months ago

I’ve two lists, and I think one may be part of the membership of the Evil League of Evil.

Mr. John Wright
Mrs. John Wright
Dave Freer
Amanda Green
Sarah Hoyt
Kate Paulk
Larry Correia
Tom Kratman
Vox Day

Dave Drake
Lois Bujold
Wen Spencer
Eric Flint
Misty Lackey
Sharon Lee
Steve Miller
Liz Moon
Chuck Gannon

The labels fell off, and I’m not sure from the stories which is the Evil League of Evil, and which might be the one where I wrote all those horrible things about the Democratic Party. Perhaps that label is from a third file?

Daddy Warpig
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1 year 8 months ago
According to John C. Wright, the members are: Vox Day, Supreme Dark Lord Larry Correia, International Lord of Hate Sarah Hoyt, Beautiful but Evil Space Princess John C. Wright, The Evil Brain in a Jar Plus Bad Horse Dead Bowie Fake Thomas Jefferson Fury Leika Professor Normal Snake Bite Tie-Die And, if he commits an act of murder, then the Evil League of Evil will also admit Dr. Horrible. Which is 11, with 1 pending. (4 active in this sphere of existence.) Also, for those interested, my radio show tonight is: “Hey Conservatives! Time To Get In The Game!” Some… Read more »
BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
1 year 8 months ago
Yeah, but that was clearly in jest, a reference to one of those Whedon properties, apparently because Wright is some sort of geek. I read that post earlier while looking for whatever official roster he might have. He also mentions a number of others that wish to enroll in a different post. Other activity indicates that it includes many more real members than Beale, Correia, Hoyt, and Wright. I didn’t find a true full roster. My understanding is that around the time of formation notorious misogynist K. Paulk, who thinks women belong barefoot, and pregnant in the kitchen, and certainly… Read more »
Tom Kratman
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1 year 8 months ago

Oh, I should think it’s more than just those, Bob.

T.L. Knighton
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1 year 8 months ago

Well, I made it a point to put stuff in my novel as part of a resume for induction in the Evil League of Evil. (Character tells another character to stop being a pussy…written right after Scalzi went ape shit over the word)

I can NOT be alone on that. 🙂

Dr. Mauser
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1 year 8 months ago

In my Baen Fantasy story, I had the evil Wizard quote parts of “Imagine”, and he was working to turn the entire world over to the Demonic Bureaucracy to bring peace to mankind (but with himself at the top, of course).

I’m working on novelizing the story.

T.L. Knighton
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1 year 8 months ago

Didn’t you let me read that story? I know you let me read a contest entry, that I really enjoyed.

Dr. Mauser
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1 year 8 months ago

That was it, with the Wizard’s slave, the succubus, and the Barbarian who almost destroys the world by saving it. It’s gonna expand into a hero’s journey.

T.L. Knighton
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1 year 8 months ago

Sign me up for the beta. I really liked the story, so I can’t wait for the novel. 🙂

Dr. Mauser
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1 year 8 months ago

May be a while at the rate I’m going….

But I’ll keep you in mind.