Monster Hunter Nation

Tor.com posts a really positive review of Warbound?!

I just got home from book tour late last night. It was a huge success and I’m pretty sure this is the biggest release I’ve ever had. I’ll write up a recap of that and post tomorrow (with pictures!) but in the meantime here is a review of the Hugo nominated Warbound from Tor.com.

Now when you see that Larry Correia got mentioned on Tor.com you probably groaned and thought, oh what horrible thing did Straw Larry say now?

But it is really positive! http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/07/warbound-grimnoir-chronicles-larry-correia-appreciation-hugo-nominee  Huh?

This reviewer gets it.

The comments are fun too, because you can immediately tell the people who actually read it from the ones who are regurgitating narrative or the ones who Skimmed Until Offended. For the record I’ve never told writers not to write fiction with a message in it, just that the story and audience entertainment has to come first, but hey, whatever helps them sleep better at night. 🙂

Book Tour 2014 Recap in Pictures
Book bomb (sorta)
John C Wright
Guest

Congrats and about time.

Practical Mike
Guest

Finally… a John Wright post where I don’t have to look up several words. 🙂

John C Wright
Guest

I consider my posts to be pellucid exemplars of lamprophony! Do you accuse me of being caliginous? The remark induces convulsions of excessive bruxism!

WyrdBard
Guest

Mr. Wright, eschew sesquopedalian obfuscation.

(obligatory humor tag)

jabrwok
Guest

“sesquipedalian”. Likewise, never use a long word where a diminutive one will do:-P.

Bruce
Guest

Ha ha ha ha ha

(starts laughing at Practical Mike’s post)

(reads Mr. Wright’s response)

Damn…just…damn.

David MacKinnon
Guest

The Syllables! They Burn us! They Burn!

Practical Mike
Guest

Mr. Wright… I would never accuse you of anything… even if you did it, and I could prove it. 🙂 The fault is entirely mine… Going to get my dictionary now and looks some of that sh*t up.

Morlock Publishing (@MorlockP)
Guest
My read: the pinkshirts were having some success going after Vox, because he is, in fact, a political extremist. Then they went after John C Wright, bc he now publishes w Vox…but that was problematic, because he’s clearly more intellectual than any of them, and had already passed the Tor hurdle and had the imprimatur of “Good Literature”. So they picked a new target to tar, and they went after you (published by /Baen/, so CLEARLY trashy action). …and that’s when they bit off more than they can chew, because you ARE actually a good writer, and you’re NOT an… Read more »
Tully
Guest

Clearly someone Lasala an appointment at MiniLiuv. It has been rescheduled.

Wes S.
Guest
Yeah, there was a small, mean, petty little part of me that wondered if it was significant that Lasala got the job of reviewing “Warbound” over, say, Liz Bourke. OTOH, Lasala genuinely seems to have approached the “Grimnoir” series with an open mind, and gotten blown away by it. And even a couple of the generally negative commenters over at the Tor discussion thread noted that one really had to read “Warbound” in context with the rest of the series in order to fully appreciate it. I just wish that Robert Jordan (peace be upon him) had already won a… Read more »
Achillea
Guest
As it is, my Hugo list consists of 1) AMoL; 2) Warbound; and (3) No Award (because Leckie’s “Ancillary Justice” gave me a headache when I tried to read it, and because Strouss and Grant went out of their way to trash Larry and his fans over Sad Puppies, so screw ‘em). I don’t much care about an author’s politics, as long as s/he can write. That said, if you think “Ancillary Justice” is headache-inducing, it’s nothing compared to the migraine of “Neptune’s Children.” At least Leckie writes (mostly) in English. With Stross, it seems like every third word is… Read more »
Stoutcat
Guest

Well! That was… unexpected. Good for you, and good for Lasala.

Favorite quote (speaking of Mr. Correia): “…he’s Red Bull mixed with Pop Rocks and shaken real hard.” Perfect.

Morlock Publishing (@MorlockP)
Guest

Reminds me of a phrase I used a decade or so back in an heated discussion in an engineering group: “behold the power of a well shaken can of whoop-ass”. I think that pretty much applies to Larry. 🙂

Eamon J. Cole
Guest

😀

I’d think both of these apply nicely. The smart folks stay with the Red Bull, nobody wants the other can.

Andrew
Guest
It’s a pretty good review. I kind of find the bullet list offered a bit odd, as it’s a multi-cultural checklist rather than a list of awesome, but given the audience the author is trying to persuade, maybe it’s the best tool for the job. What surprises me about the comments is the whole “Grimnoir lacks philosophy” angle. It’s like they completely failed to noticed the whole “Can I take absolute power to do good?”, “What is my first, best, duty, loyalty to the state, or to the ideals for which my state stands?”, and “How does a society deal… Read more »
Eamon J. Cole
Guest

People who scoff at the value of such stories as “shallow” or “simple” lack sufficient understanding of what it takes to build and maintain a culture of citizens that have an understanding of how to be good.

Key phrase. The tradition of cultural stories has taken a beating of late, and so many people don’t know how to respond to them.

hygate
Guest

Denigration of heroic values has been going on for awhile now, but has always seen push back.

Just watched “The Adventures of Baron Münchhausen” again. Can’t remember the last time I watched it, but I had completely forgotten about Sting’s cameo as the courageous captain who is ordered executed by the head bureaucrat because his example was, paraphrased, “making ordinary people feel bad about themselves.”

Eamon J. Cole
Guest

True. But I think in the context of the current SF/F debate the denigrators have had the upper hand (could be perception).

I’m hoping there’s a little momentum behind the push back, now.

Dr. Mauser
Guest

I was going to remark about the bullet list too. Praise because of Multi-ethnic good guys, AND a bonus because of evil American bad guys….

Odd prioritization.

Kevin Findley
Guest

Some of those comments are just hilarious. It’s clear a few of them want to try and rip Larry a new one, but since Tor came out in favor of him, they acted like they weren’t allowed to. Funny!

Murphy7
Guest

I took it as someone at Tor finally hired a baby sitter, and only the passable adults were allowed to contribute to the comments list (was 23 deep when I read through them, I have hopes the tone will remain even). I got the impression that Lasala’s interview was trying to speak slowly and clearly for some of the more rabidly pink Tor commenters, ahead of their vitriol.

dyingearth
Guest

Oceania is always at war with East Asia, (30 seconds later) Oceania is always at war with Eurasia.

Wes S.
Guest

I think this comment by Lasala in particular was aimed at the “Correia can’t write” crowd: “(Warbound) in particular demonstrates what seem to be the strong points in Correia’s wheelhouse: every goddamn thing.”

Murphy7
Guest

My favorite comment in the pile so far was where it was stated to the effect that if Red Shirts deserved its Hugo, how could Warbound not deserve one as well.

Mike in Seattle
Guest

Wait. Redshirts got a Hugo? I mean, it was a fun bit of fanfic from the perspective from the sordid hoards of Fodder of Trek. But a Hugo? Really?

Well. Allrighty then.

Murphy7
Guest

2013 Best Novel. Considering some downplayed the Grimnoir Chronicles as being derivative of other works, one is given to wonder about shape and focus of their blinders.

Mike in Seattle
Guest

That’s not a bar to hurdle. That’s a bit of rebar sticking out of the roadway threatening tires with undue violation.

Mike
Guest

That was exactly my reaction when I found out.

I love Warbound. Wouldn’t have put it past my threshold for Hugo winners (which, admittedly, is calibrated to Heinlein and Bujold). But if Redshirts (which I did find amusing) is the bar to be cleared, Larry made it in a single bound.

cspschofield
Guest

If Trek fanfic is the bar to be cleared (and some is great fun) Larry has gotten that high as an involuntary reaction to a sneeze.

Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
Guest
Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

While some people may have enjoyed _Redshirts_, I couldn’t get through it.

By the way to those who enjoyed _Redshirts_, YMMV applies here. [Smile]

I also think it’s an insult to Star Trek fan-fic to consider _Redshirts_ Star Trek fan-fic.

IMO to be true fan-fic, it has to show an enjoyment and/or liking of the original.

To me _Redshirts_ was a sneer at people who enjoyed Star Trek and that sort of SF.

While I haven’t watched “Galaxy Quest”, from everything I heard about it, it showed an enjoyment of Star Trek and that sort of SF. [Smile]

Arwen Riddle
Guest

FWIW, Galaxy Quest is my favorite Stark Trek film.

Synova
Guest

There really does need to be a movie.

richard mcenroe (@richard_mcenroe)
Guest

It’s all in the timing. Imagine the young, crazy Meat Loaf as Pitt…

Jeff LaSala
Guest
Hey guys. For the record, Tor.com is still just a blog, not an organized, closely-knit core of like-minded people who conspire against guys like Larry. 😉 Once you’re on board as one of their bloggers, you simply have to pitch ideas of things you want to write about (though I imagine sometimes some individuals might be asked to write something). So you see, I never “got the job” of reviewing Warbound. I wanted to. And the curators of Tor.com were cool with that. That’s how it is. I genuinely wanted to. Ironically, since starting up with the Tor.com blogging gig,… Read more »
Murphy7
Guest

That is good to hear, and that review was quite well done.

ratseal
Guest

I thought that it was an even handed review, more remarkable for its origin (tor.com) than the content. Thank you, Jeff.

Wes S.
Guest

Jeff, it was an excellent review. And most of us should be so lucky as to have a day job that *requires* us to read SF/F. ;P

Jeff LaSala
Guest

Thank you. But listen, it’s a fun gig, not a job. I have one of those, too.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Some mornings, Tor.com makes me want to grind my teeth in frustration. But every once in a while, it reminds me of why I like to visit it. 🙂

ratseal
Guest

Feeling optimistic? I’ll help with that. Here is Alex MacFarlane’s latest review. Enjoy:

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/07/post-binary-gender-in-sf-2312-by-kim-stanley-robinson

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

I love how she describes 2318 as “near-future”. That’s the 24th century. But of course, it doesn’t live up to her exacting standards: almost nothing she reviews does.

Julaire
Guest

It’s interesting that the Warbound review there has 34 comments, mostly positive, while the 2312 review has 3, none of which are positive. Even the review of 2312 itself isn’t.

So, if I were a newcomer having never read either series, which one am I most likely to pick up? It certainly wouldn’t be 2312.

Quirel
Guest

Just read it.

Should have waited until after breakfast. Maybe even lunch.

Fail Burton
Guest
Liz Bourke and particularly MacFarlane are devoted intersectionalist supremacists and radical feminist ideologues. In real world lingo that means the straight white male is the lowest form of life on earth and responsible for all the world’s troubles. Here’s a typical recent blast of race and gender on Twitter: “1. Natalie Luhrs ‏@eilatan Jul 16 SFF peeps, kindly look at this list and the archives and tell me if you see what I see? http://www.mystgalaxy.com/Reviews-Patrick 2. Kate Elliott ‏@KateElliottSFF Jul 16 @eilatan that’s a trick question. RIght? 😉 3. Liz Bourke ‏@hawkwing_lb Jul 16 @KateElliottSFF @eilatan @jennygadget So. Are we… Read more »
Fail Burton
Guest
Well, I can’t read the minds of the folks who run Tor.com com but I can read a list of bloggers and editors at Tor and sales figures at Tor.com’s parent associate. Tor.com has some bloggers and editors who are straight up fanatic activists and ideologues. They despise people like Correia and Orson Scott Card and would end their careers tomorrow if they could. The problem there is hate isn’t actually selling any books. Card is a massive star at Tor proper and his race and gender detractors are far behind. The lesson is that contrary to what Tor’s activists… Read more »
MJG
Guest

Although I find Liz Bourke to be borderline intolerable, particularly after she wrote her attack piece on Michael J. Sullivan, she does promote the shit out of David Drake’s books on Tor.com, so at least she’s done one good thing.

Fail Burton
Guest

Well, maybe I should just take this as a good sign and accentuate the positive. Time will tell whether this was an anomaly or the beginning of a trend to stop promoting or not promoting authors according to their race and gender. Frankly, the idea of promoting women authors on the premise someone is doing the opposite when no one is doing that is kinda crazy, and Bourke does have women-only posts. I don’t find Bourke borderline intolerable but a literature-killer and supremacist.

The Phantom
Guest

Looks like fighting for that Hugo award was worth it! Suddenly reviewers have to actually read the book before trashing it. Then they discover they can’t trash it because it’s too good.

Flawless victory!

Oskari
Guest

Congrats!

I disagree, however, with the sneering sentiment of the blog post and many comments that everybody must either love your book (because it’s good) or hate it (because of shallow political reasons). Everybody’s taste is different, and some people just don’t enjoy this sort of stuff. That doesn’t mean hey are skimming to get offended.

Woelf Dietrich
Guest

When I read that my first thought was, “Ok, what’s the catch?” Also, I had no second thought.

Abby
Guest

Love the review! I think he downplayed the awesome female teenage protagonist, which is so rare in fiction–I mean, there are lots of bland ones, but you rarely see a super-powerful female like Faye fighting on the “good” side.

Otherwise, I agree with his reaction. And the audiobooks were fantastic.

Woelf Dietrich
Guest

And now that I’ve read the review–just wow! It’s the type of review you frame and put on your office wall. Congratulations, Larry. Well deserved, indeed.

Erwin
Guest
..I still cannot believe that Redshirts got a Hugo. I mean, maybe not my cup of tea, but probably just awful. Grant is a good writer – and some of her stuff is quite competitive with Larry’s – neither better nor worse really… Stross, I like half his stuff, and can’t finish the other half. Sadly, he spends a lot of time writing books that are a bit too focused on being literature and tend to end up as pretentious, unreadable mush. Meh. I sorta think Larry is fighting a two front war. There are the silly liberals. That is… Read more »
Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Oddly, the link still works, but if you look on Tor.com itself, the article is nowhere to be found. Huh?

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Never mind ,it’s back now. Strange.

jefflasala
Guest

Yeah, many posts go up each day, so this one quickly got bumped to page 2. However, if you click on the Community menu option you’ll see which posts have the most recent comment activity.

Not Rick (@RicksCafe45)
Guest
I found the bullet list near the end of the review rather telling, it’s like the reviewer needed to show people that the books somehow jumped though all the politically correct hoops. And I suppose given the state of things – he probably did, it probably kept a lot of the people who would have commented with out reading any of the books from making complete fools of themselves. I was pleasantly surprised that there were so few comments that simply dismissed the book because – Larry! So Larry – do you work from the PC checklist? Didn’t think so.
Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

If you worked from the PC checklist, you’d never finish, because that thing gets updated every hour. 🙂

Jeff LaSala
Guest

Actually, the bulleted list was nothing of the sort. You’re right, it ended up looking like they were about PC things. Not intentional! I was really just wanting to highlight, well, highlights to me. The fun stuff, each of which could easily warrant several paragraphs on their own. I wanted to talk about the Iron Guard, about Maddi, about Toru. But I couldn’t really go that long and no way would commenters (especially these!) have the patience for it.

So yeah, those are literally just thinks I thought were awesome. Ain’t nothing “PC” about demon ink, in any case.

Pugmak
Guest
This is a review of your review. First, fair warning: I am a natural born “right wing thug” type person. I am also the inventor and founding member (only official member so far) of a whole new wing of the alphabet soup of the Cult of Victimology, the PUP (Person of Unpleasant Personality). Now on with the review of the review. What I read came across to me as an honest appraisal of the book put into your own words for your own reasons. Imo, you captured the prominent points quite well and accurately. At first read, your bullets did… Read more »
Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

What really bug me are the reviews that claim the series is racist against the Japanese? What, seriously?

junior
Guest

Most of it’s probably from people who don’t realize that the inhumane human experimentation units mentioned in the books are based on real life Japanese units during World War 2. Kind of like how much of the criticism regarding Correia’s Roosevelt ignores the things that the real life Roosevelt did.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

Figured it might be something like that. History just isn’t their strong point, is it?

lonejanitor
Guest

Just read an interview with one of the doctors who worked in Unit 731 during World War II. He got their actions perfectly. It was bioweapons instead of magical tattoos, but still.

a. nagy
Guest

The key part of that review was recommending the audio book version. The book itself is very good, the audiobook…I wish all audio books were that good.

Brian
Guest

I have never listened to an audio book. I enjoy reading and imagining what the characters would sound like and I’m sure that most of the “readers” in the audio books won’t sound like my own impressions. I just listened to the sample linked in the review and I was convinced I should just keep reading as before.

Melvin Purv is was a southerner from South Carolina. The voice lent to him sounds like he was from Chicago. Nit picking? Sure, but valid.

Anthony
Guest

The discussion in the comments there about FDR caught my eye, and I thought about it a little. It is message-preachy. I could see that exchange being in Atlas Shrugged.

But, importantly, it advances the plot. Like some of Eric Flint’s messaging in 1632 – it explains why the characters are going to do what they do. (And this is why, despite being an anti-union guy, I didn’t resent the messaging in 1632.) And that’s the lesson most writers who sell their birthright for a pot of message don’t ever quite get.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

In retrospect, this comment stands out:

“Next year: Skin Games by Jim Butcher. Go with the best I always say.”

🙂

wpDiscuz