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Correia uses a bad word, and it is the Worst Thing Ever: SJW Outrage of the Week

 

I got into a Twitter fight with author John Scalzi yesterday. There’s no need to write up a blog post detailing that because Twitchy already did it for me. Thanks, Twitchy!

http://twitchy.com/2014/06/19/monster-hunter-author-larry-correia-targeted-for-departing-from-rape-culture-orthodoxy/

Fun stuff.

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Posted that earlier and got some messages of WTF? For those of you following the continuing balkanization of sci-fi/fantasy and the perpetually outraged Social Justice Warrior’s outrage of the week, it was recently revealed that liberal/feminist icon Marion Zimmer Bradley was a pedophile child rapist, with many victims, whose crimes were known about and covered up by elements of fandom… So yesterday the Social Justice Warriors boldly banded together to condemn conservative author Larry Correia for using the word “pussy”.

Background, yesterday morning Jim C. Hines decided to make up some more stuff about me. This time it was about my post in response to Miss Nevada’s detractors called The Naïve Idiocy of Teach Rapists Not to Rape. Like usual Hines pretty much agreed with what I actually said, all while making up weird things that I supposedly said to rail against instead.

Of course I didn’t see this post through a track back, because it is hard to throw chickenshit allegations about somebody when you link to what they actually said. But one of my readers saw it and posted the link on Facebook. (later in the day, Hines would marvel that Correia’s minions had found it already… Yes, Jim, they have the internet on computers now). Unlike Jim, I’m not an incompetent wimp, so here’s the link to his: http://www.jimchines.com/2014/06/lc-on-rape-and-self-defense/ (I copied the final comment and posted it at the very end of this post because I find it powerful and damning, so if you read anything, at least skip ahead and read that)

Now here is the interesting thing, I had to finish a short story yesterday so didn’t have any time to respond myself, but ten or twelve of my readers went over and started arguing. It mostly consisted of “He never said that, he never said, Larry never said that either.” One guy, who was a fan of both me and Hines, put his post up on my FB and posted it to Jim’s blog comments. It was all reasonable, but mostly concentrated on where Jim’s stats were fishy. It never appeared. Go figure.

A couple hours later Jim locked the comments, because that’s what progs do when people disagree with their disingenuous nonsense. Ironically, my post that provoked Jim is still open to comments, and has about 600 now with people from all sorts of different backgrounds arguing all sorts of different positions. I’ve never closed a comment thread on my blog ever. It’s like I always say, it isn’t my side trying to silence the opposition. It is routine for left wingers to “massage” their blog comments. Meanwhile the right loves when the left talks, because the more they say, the more the world can see just how full of shit they are.

That afternoon, short story is turned in, and somebody else on FB tells me that Scalzi is trying to start some shit on Twitter. So I went over to take a look. You can see how that turned out in the Twitchy link above. Basically the nail that sticks up must be hammered down, but sadly I’m more of a rail road spike and my detractors are Fisher Price squeaky hammers.

There were a ton of other comments on there also, because as usual a legion of poo flinging monkeys descended on me, armed with their Checklists. You had the internet tough guys who didn’t need guns to defend themselves (of course, I’m sure they are total badasses in real life, but their wives and mothers aren’t, which is why I teach women to shoot guns) and the usual how guns were compensating for tiny penises (which doesn’t explain women who carry guns…) Most of it was the usual snide, self-righteous, make shit up, and take whatever you can out of context in order to get offended and give yourself sainted victimhood, nonsense.

Another author, Mary Robinette Kowal, who I have met in person several times, either read the timeline backwards on accident or deliberately, (in reality, I insulted Scalzi, then a woman said she was a rape victim and I was being mean, but Mary flipped it so that a woman told me she was a rape victim and then I insulted her) then used that to show her readers how hateful I was to hurl insensitive insults at rape victims. When pointed out by me and a few others that she got the timeline backwards, she kept with it, because my insulting an effeminate man with a vulgar word related to female genitalia (a type of  insult that has been in common usage since at least the Romans) was the worst thing ever.

Meanwhile, one of the Caring Liberals was hurling much viler insults at one of my supporters who was a rape survivor, but that didn’t count, because he was on my side, and thus deserved it.

Mary then told me I was disgusting and dangerous and needed to stay away from her. Yep. Disagreeing or failing to sufficiently cheer lead prog nonsense makes you “dangerous”. SJWs love to hurl stuff like that out there, hoping it sticks. The best weapon in their arsenal is someone unfamiliar with you seeing your name connected to Dangerous, Rape Apologist, Misogynist, Sexist, Racist, Homophobic, etc. and spreading that around.  Smear then disengage. Mary’s far smarter than Scalzi.

EDIT: See below, Mary has made a public apology. I’m still disgusting and dangerous… meh… But at least I’m not being portrayed as going out of my way to insult rape victims. 

But dangerous? You must have me mistaken with one of the left wing child molesters you guys keep showering with praise.  If by dangerous, you mean I’m well trained and used to be a top competition shooter, yes, which is why I took my dangerous knowledge and shared it with as many women as possible so they could be empowered and able to defend themselves. But hey, everybody’s definition of dangerous is different. I hurt someone’s feelings once.

As for the insensitive evil badness of disagreeing with the opinion of somebody who has been a victim, the following was written by one of my regular readers (Shadowdancer) a few days ago and is from the (still open!) comments:

But do rape victims, or, indeed, any other victim of a tragedy or any other trauma, suddenly become sainted, that they become unquestionable? Are they suddenly elevated beyond the rest of us, that their words – especially if they’re incredibly harmful ideas -can no longer be tested or confronted in the arena of ideas? Do people who have been traumatized in some way gain a special knowledge that makes them unimpeachable and beyond criticism if they espouse a point of view that is not only hypocritical, but one that actively will create more victims, encourage social if not actual vigilantism, and remove the protection of innocent until guilty?

No, they’re not. They’re still people, and being a victim of a tragedy and a person who espouses harmful ideas are two separate things, even if they reside in the same person. They are just as capable of having lethally bad ideas as the rest of the population. They are still capable of being hypocrites. And their ideas are just as eligible for testing on the arena of ideas, not automatically segregated from it, nor are these ideas entitled to being given smacked with wifflebats of sympathy instead of swords of reason and scrutiny.

If pointing that out makes me bully, that is no worse than being an enabler who allows the spread of the idea by refusing to confront it simply because the person spreading that idea is put in a special class of social perception of Saint Victimhood. 

 

Pretty much that. I like to judge ideas on their merits and people by the content of their character and not whatever handy sex/race/class/victim box a Social Justice Warrior assigns them to.

So what was the horrible misogynistic thing that I did which was so terribly insulting and awful bad that it caused all these SFWA officer alumni to unite in my condemnation? I called Scalzi a “pussy”. So, the Word Police swooped in, declaring that this was the most hurtful misogynistic trigger outrage this week. (of course, these same people shower praise on, quote from, and give lifetime achievement awards to  sci-fi author, Samuel Delany, who praises pedophile organization NAMBLA, so their outrage meter may need some calibration)

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In this section I’d like to talk about “offensive” words in the context of being a writer. Now, personally I think trigger warnings are stupid, but apparently they’re like mandatory to the perpetually outraged crowd, so TRIGGER WARNING: I’m going to talk about body parts, there will be lots of profanity, it is going to get very crude, and I’ll probably hurt some feelings. Most people who aren’t total pussies will be fine.

Now as an author I find it curious when other authors are so quick to declare certain words off limits. Personally, I like words. I like many, diverse words. Words are tools in an author’s toolbox and we use them to create our work. And I really don’t like somebody else declaring which words are good and which words are bad.  Especially when the litmus test for determining acceptability is predicated entirely upon it hurting the feelings of the perpetually butt hurt (oh wait, butt hurt may be offensive to people who have actually experienced anus pain).

In this case, let’s talk about the word “pussy”. On one hand it is a slang term for female genitalia. On another it is a common insult usually related to cowardice. That was the manner I used it in. Or it can be a cat. The history of words is fascinating stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy

The Official Arbiter of Acceptable Speech

The Official Arbiter of Acceptable Speech

But the premise here (because they’ve been trying super hard for years now to find proof that I hate SOME GROUP) is that because a pussy is a female body part, calling a man a pussy as an insult is in fact not insulting to the man, but is rather an insult to all women because they have that body part.

Okay, interesting… Now totally disregard the history of the English language and how humans actually talk and interact in the world, the hypothesis is that Pussy, when used in the common vulgar way as an insult toward cowardly, effeminate, worm tongued, physically weak, beta males (like Scalzi or Hines for example) is really an insult to all women everywhere (and thus promotes “rape culture” but I’ll get back to that).

I can't imagine how our ancestors ever thought to come up with such a term...

I can’t imagine how our ancestors ever thought to come up with such a term…

Who uses this horrible word? So your football coaches? Hate all women. The military? Hate all women. Cops? Hate all women. Anybody who has ever had to train or motivate people doing something physically challenging? Hate all women. Most people at every blue collar job? Hate all women. Plumbers, electricians, roofers, truck drivers? Obviously hate all women. The women who use that word as an insult? Hate all women.

Got it? Okay. Let’s run with that. Using that body part as an insult is incredibly sexist. Sure, I grew up on a farm and my mom would tell her kids not to be pussies (usually when we were doing some form of awful backbreaking manual labor) but my mom must hate all women. The Word Police have spoken.

On a personal note, I don’t actually ever use that term for the female body part. Culturally, that wasn’t how I was raised, and even conversationally I can’t recall using that definition since probably high school. A cursory search of my thousands of posts, and my use of Pussy is always for spineless weaklings. Sadly, spineless weaklings takes up too many characters on Twitter.

But this word is now banned as offensive, but why this sainted body part only?

Scalzi kicked this whole thing off and said I was an Asshole. Like Pussy, Asshole has a few common, vulgar uses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asshole It can describe the anus, or it can be used to describe somebody who is crude, unpleasant, or detestable. I’m certain Scalzi and his tribe find me to be all of those things, and I’m not the one trying to enforce rigid group think, so I’m cool with it.

But wait, wouldn’t it be hypocritical to say that Pussy means all females are soft, yet Asshole doesn’t say all human beings who have anuses are unpleasant? Oh, but Pussy is a sainted word, because it represents the female sex organ… But hang on… this same crowd is always harping on ending default sexuality, and lots of people engage in anal sex.  Since I was repeatedly admonished that using the word Pussy as an insult promoted Rape Culture, once you include America’s prison population in the stats, anal rape is possibly more common that vaginal rape. As Mary told me, as a self-defense instructor I should know the stats, so by that standard, Asshole could be a trigger word for lots of people.

So we should definitely ban the word asshole too.

But wait… Hines has repeatedly called me a Dick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_(slang) This is another common term with dual meaning, where it could represent a penis, or it could represent someone who is rude, abrasive, or inconsiderate. Once again, since I am often abrasive, the word fits and I’m not the self-appointed guardian of English, so whatever, I’m cool.

Yet if calling someone a Pussy is an insult to all women, by the same exact token, isn’t calling somebody a Dick an insult to all men? Now a few people brought this up on Twitter yesterday and they were quickly dismissed, because Pussy indicates soft but Dick indicates hard (well, duh). But if the prerequisite for banning a word is somebody finding it offensive or hurtful, and somebody finds Dick to be a trigger word, we should ban Dick too. After all, dicks hurt people.

I posted the speech from Team America https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iCWzpDpKs (best social commentary movie ever) but Scalzi didn’t like that, because implying authors are pro-rape and maligning their fans without evidence is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Any body part that has more than one meaning could be offensive to somebody. Calling somebody a boob is insensitive to women. Talking about having balls to indicate courage? Offensive to those without testicles. The phrase nut up could be replaced with cowboy up, only cowboys were insensitive to Native Americans and PETA doesn’t like how they were mean to cows, so cowboy may possibly be offensive. Pecker-head? Holy shit.

The Guardian’s Village Idiot, Damien Walter showed up, demanding to know how many “bitches” I’d “bitch slapped” today. Of course, that is Damien’s idea of being clever, because obviously if Pussy is an indicator of misogyny, then obviously calling somebody a bitch is the same… Except Damien is like the definition of a whiny little bitch, and not that I want to pigeonhole him in his bold-queer-future-non-binary-gender world, I’m pretty sure he’s a dude.

Pinkman

In America, Bitch is even more common than Pussy, and is used for both sexes, because we’re all about equality.  I wouldn’t presume to tell Damien when to bollocks the bloody crumpets, or whatever the hell it is the British do.

Then I had about a bunch of FEMALE readers show up, call Damien a bitch and Scalzi a pussy. 🙂  If only Scalzi could mansplain to these poor women how they’re actually misogynists they’d get their poor befuddled girl brains in order.

We don’t have to limit it to just body parts though. Any word that could cause offense or be insensitive should go. True story, I had somebody complain once that they were so afraid of spiders that seeing the word Spider in print hurt them. Now, Word Cop Scalzi would immediately dismiss banning Spider as absurd, and it is, but why? It causes suffering in this person. How come one person’s outrage is more valuable than another person’s outrage?

Hell, if taking offense is the primary component of determining which words are good and which words are bad, I’d think that authors would be against the concept on principle. After all, you’ve got outraged types who want to ban books with naughty words, or sex, or violence, or too much religion, or not enough religion, or something. There’s always somebody offended by words. Give them an inch, and they’ll take a mile.

They’d have to weigh each offense carefully to see what is goodthink and what is badthink. That’s why I prefer being morally consistent and thinking all offenses which demand others conform to an arbitrary standard are equally bullshit, and I’m defiant like that. I know that our language is filled with colorful comparisons and odd definitions, which is what makes it awesome. But let’s be honest, the SJWs don’t actually weigh anything. If somebody they don’t like says anything that can possibly be construed as bad they pile on, and when somebody on their side literally rapes children their next blog post is about how women shouldn’t have guns.

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Here is the final comment from Jim Hine’s blog post before he locked it. I copied it because I think Andrew makes a very powerful point.

  1. Andrew
    JUN 18, 2014 @ 17:20:14

Hey Jim,

I’m a survivor.

I’m trying to think of a way to say this that isn’t going to either sound like I’m an MRA or that I’m trying to invalidate the good work you do with other survivors. But I really think the way this issue has become political and how I see you contributing to that is really… uh… not okay.

I think you’re probably a good dude. I can’t imagine you not being a good dude given the amount of work you do with survivors and the depressing toll I know that work takes. BUT (I know you were probably sensing a but, and I’m sorry to have to do this in a thread where you’re already taking a pummeling) I’m going to step on your toes a bit here.

I’m doing it because I think you’ll listen and because it needs to be said.

Okay, here goes:

Why are you focusing on Larry Correia?

I just don’t get this.

At all.

Why are you responding to a piece by a guy who thinks rape is wrong and just disagrees with you on the exact nature of the problem and the solution? I’m not saying those aren’t large gaps. I’m not saying I don’t think he’s wrong about rape culture. I’m not saying I don’t think he’s wrong about education (another survivor I know actually works in those groups with those people and says its effective and I trust him, although to be honest even giving offenders that much help makes my stomach turn).

But why is Larry Correia a target?

I don’t agree with a lot of what Larry has to say, but I’ll be honest and say I still like him. He reminds me of a couple of uncles I have and some friends I used to argue with at a couple construction jobs I had. He’s really loud and says some shit I don’t agree with but you also see him actually trying to help other writers and doing stuff for charity all the time.

So, I get that you guys have serious disagreements. I get that he’s called you names. You feel attacked and that makes sense that you’d want to focus on him.

BUT (and this is what’s bugging the shit out of me): The community just found out that Marion Zimmer Bradley was a child rapist. As in, she raped children. She put her hands on kids. I’ve just found out that the community knew she was a procurer and turned a blind eye to child-rape for decades on top of all of that. And no one talks about it.

No one in the community who usually talks about this stuff is talking about this.

I was five when I was victimized. That story hit me right in the guts. I figured I’d see everyone talking about it, trying to do some agony origami and figure out what to say about it that might bring some kind of useful awareness to the community. The silence has been deafening.

I get that Larry is loud and he says things that people don’t like. But maybe fandom needs a voice like that? Before you disagree, Larry’s website is the only place I’ve heard anything even WHISPERED about Samuel R. Delany. I can’t quite seem to figure out why that is.

Samuel R. Delany was just honored at the Nebulas and quoted in NK Jemisin’s speech (I agree with a lot of what she has to say, but I just don’t get how this isn’t at least being pointed out) and Samuel R. Delany outright without any kind of doubt or apology speaks up for NAMBLA.

NAMBLA is a group that advocates grown men raping young boys.

That’s so fucked up I don’t even have words for it.

Look at his Wikipedia page. If you can stand to do it, go to NAMBLA’s website. They quote him right goddamn there.

I’m not going to say that being a male survivor is harder than being a female survivor. But I will say that when you’re a male survivor not nearly many people are willing to talk about it. Giving a pass to a guy who supports NAMBLA is not okay. It’s not okay. Focusing on Larry Correia when that shit is not being talked about is not okay.

It is not okay.

I’m hoping you didn’t know. I’m hoping NK Jemisin and K Tempest Bradford and Mary Robinette Kowal don’t know. I saw everyone tweeting happily when he won his award. Because if you guys all know and aren’t saying anything about it and maybe even turning a blind eye because it’s really hard…

Well, I’d even kind of get that.

People talk a big game until that stuff is at their doorstep and then it becomes really easy to look away. We’re all human. No one’s invincible or infallible.

This is about the ugliest thing you can look at as a person.

But it’s still not okay.

I know none of you are under any obligation to condemn Samuel R Delany or Marion Zimmber Bradley. But when you’re going to start attacking people and you choose Larry Correia….

I just don’t get this.

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EDIT: Mary Robinette Kowal post this to the comments:

Larry, I am sorry for misreading the timeline.

I did acknowledge the possibility that my twitter client had the order flipped to the first of your followers, but realized that you hadn’t seen it nor had anyone else. So I posted a public apology today.

Let me say that again. I read the timeline wrong. I am sorry.

I have been struggling for the past two days trying to figure out how to apologize with sincerity, because I was still angry with you for other things in that thread. I did not want to appear to condone them by offering an apology that was too broad, nor did I want to offer an insincere apology that was too narrow.

I can’t offer a sincere apology for the disgusting and dangerous, because it was a previously held opinion and the entirety of that thread angered me. We have mutual friends and I have tried to refrain from comments for their sake.

But I am sincerely sorry that I chose to say something damaging out loud though. Calling you “disgusting” was deliberately hurtful and unnecessary.

I am sorry for that and for misreading the timeline.

Michael Z. Williamson sums up rape education and response
I got into a Twitter fight with Scalzi and it ended up on Twitchy

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605 Comments on "Correia uses a bad word, and it is the Worst Thing Ever: SJW Outrage of the Week"

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michaelzwilliamson
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2 years 8 days ago

One of your commenters renamed the awards the NAMBuLAs. That needs legs.

Practical Mike
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Practical Mike
2 years 7 days ago

Anybody up for a round of “caption this” utilizing the Scalzi pic in this post?

-NAMDLA (Just to keep it topical with Mad Mike’s post)
-Dog: “Larry nails it again. Smells like p_ssy to me.”
Anybody else hearing the theme from “Little House on the Prairie” too?
Fuzzy Nation!

Kent
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Kent
2 years 8 days ago

“Mary then told me I was disgusting and dangerous and needed to stay away from her.”

Sentiments Ms. Kowal, I solemnly guarantee one and all, never, ever, EVER expressed towards Marion Zimmer Bradley.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

Of course. MZB was only dangerous if you were a child.

dyingearth
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dyingearth
2 years 8 days ago

She’s also dead, so children are now safe.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

Until the dead rise as zombies.

But in her case, I’m kind of looking forward to that.

Kent
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Kent
2 years 8 days ago

… so long as they aren’t boy children, and Delany isn’t in the room.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

Actually, from what I gathered, she also molested her son as well.

So she and Delany would have to throw down.

Kent
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Kent
2 years 8 days ago

A vicious, pervert-take-all slap fight between Samuel Delany and the rotting shambling corpse of Marion Zimmer Bradley.

They should put me on the WorldCon entertainment committee. They really, really should. 😉

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

Hell, I’d do everything in my power to make it to WorldCon if that Ultimate Death Match ever came about. 😀

Synova
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Synova
2 years 8 days ago

I saw MZB at a convention once. She was sitting in the dealer room all alone. It was my first convention ever and I was shy and intimidated because she was famous and I didn’t dare just walk up and say hello, but for many many years I thought that I should have done because she looked so tired, so alone, and so lonely.

Now we hear this and I wonder…

Spacebunny
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Spacebunny
2 years 8 days ago

I would say thanks for taking me along for the ride on Twitchy, but I don’t exist, so never mind. 😉

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

Yeah, apparently you’re really Vox Day.

As if Vox has any issues speaking for himself.

Spacebunny
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Spacebunny
2 years 8 days ago

I have no idea what you are talking about. Vox is a very shy and retiring sort.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

And now I’ve spit Coke Zero all over my laptop.

Greeeeeeeaaaaaattttt 😀

Expendable Henchman
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Expendable Henchman
2 years 8 days ago

Spacebunny, on June 20, 2014 at 6:20 am said:
I have no idea what you are talking about. Vox is a very shy and retiring sort.

Dear Spacebunny, my monitor and keyboard are now awash in Diet Mtn Dew.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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I’ve decided to refrain from drinking anything while reading this thread or comments in this post. For the sake of monitor and keyboard.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

OK, so that’s two.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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She should be keeping score to see the effectiveness of the trap test. /GLaDOS

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

She’s up to three monitors for the day.

That’s a damn good score by anyone’s standard. 🙂

Spacebunny
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Spacebunny
2 years 8 days ago

Sorry.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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None of us apparently exist to them. We’re… what, bad dreams? A bad trip?

Expendable Henchman
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Expendable Henchman
2 years 8 days ago

You’re data points that don’t fit the narrative.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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Data points out that these blips in the narrative are quite disruptive to the fabric of their universe.

*smile*

Joel Salomon
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2 years 8 days ago

It’s not hard to find out.; a quick Twitter search turns up the answer:

“They’re straight white men (and some token women like S[arah] H[oyt])”

Larry, are you sure you need this many tokens? 😉

dyingearth
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dyingearth
2 years 7 days ago

Joel Salomon, on June 20, 2014 at 4:45 pm said:
It’s not hard to find out.; a quick Twitter search turns up the answer:
“They’re straight white men (and some token women like S[arah] H[oyt])”
Larry, are you sure you need this many tokens? 😉

I can volunteer to be your Taiwanese immigrant reader. But I’ve learn long ago that I’m not the right kind of minority token. Hell in the University of California, I’m the wrong kind of minority.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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None of us are the ‘right minority’ or gender if we’re not kowtowing to the Left party line.

(Filipino migrant to Australia here.)

Draven
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2 years 7 days ago

Hell in the UC system you’re white… or at least a non-minority.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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… or at least a non-minority.

This is a correct application of ‘whatever the hell that means’ – It means whatever the hell they WANT the word to mean.

Draven
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Draven
2 years 7 days ago

yup, Asians get into college and do well, so the UC system doesn’t classify them as minorities anymore for admissions purposes.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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*flail and stomp foot* But what about MY affirmative action?!

Just kidding lmao. On a serious note, Asians totally destroy the meme of ‘poor colored folks need help in school’. Work ethics trump entitlement any day!

Spacebunny
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Spacebunny
2 years 7 days ago

I really enjoy the implication that to the Left calling women “token women” is not misogynistic……….

Eamon J. Cole
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Eamon J. Cole
2 years 7 days ago

It makes my brain throb following their ever more sensitive scales of delicacy for the proper treatment of ’empowered’ women — and then seeing the vitriol, disdain and unreasoning hatred they heap on women independent enough to ignore their approved consensus.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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Eamon, in order for them to seem like they’re winning, they have to artificially deflate our numbers. So, despite the fairly even distribution of gender representation, they have to call the women ‘token’. Or ‘token minority’ – hilarious, given that Larry and Hoyt aren’t white and have repeatedly noted that. Vox isn’t, either. I’m not, and so aren’t a few other folks. But because we specifically don’t fit their narrative or, hilariously, their concept of proper behavior for race or gender, we’re lumped into their lie of ‘outdated white men, and the more visible of us (Kate, Sarah, Cedar, off… Read more »
Eamon J. Cole
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Eamon J. Cole
2 years 7 days ago

To them, we’re not women, or even people. We’re ‘out of line’ and therefore ‘acceptable targets’ for their hate, violence, and disgust.

Yep. This is losing them the culture war, but I don’t think they’re quite aware of it, as of yet.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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Yep.

Dave W.
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2 years 7 days ago

Oh wow, Clamps? Sorry to hear that. The guy’s like an antibiotic-resistant STD.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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Yeah. The guy’s been stalking me since 2009; and will name drop me in various blogs; or twist my words. The usual vileprog practices. *shrug* There’s more but I’d rather not say here.

Dave W.
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2 years 7 days ago

No worries, I think we all have a pretty good idea what a creepy bottomfeeder he is. Even his posts feel greasy to read.

Dave W.
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2 years 7 days ago

Not surprised. They love to accuse others of what they do themselves. Can set your watch by them.

Spacebunny
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Spacebunny
2 years 8 days ago

Deadcenter – to my knowledge Scalzi (or as I refer to him “The Chinless Wonder”) has never admitted he’s wrong about anything, especially where Vox is concerned. We did have a nice chuckle at Scalzi’s expense though. Vox had mentioned to me that Scalzi would quickly start posting pictures of dogs and whatnot very quickly, so I checked his feed and lo and behold, there they were! When he steps in it, as he so very often does, his MO is to pretend it didn’t happen. His methods of doing so very much resemble most toddlers I know.

deadcenter
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deadcenter
2 years 7 days ago

SB: he likes his echo chamber to be nice and cozy. After reading Old Mans War, which I liked, I found his blog, which I didn’t after seeing him apply his brand of censorship not just to rude behavior but to any behavior that disagreed with him. In the words of Lucky Jack Aubrey, I’m more “prickly and hard to eradicate”, and found MHN much more to my liking.

And you’re right, he’s definitely showing himself to be much more childish than I expect an adult to be.

FAL Phil
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FAL Phil
2 years 8 days ago

…but I don’t exist, so never mind.

I just sprayed coffee all over my laptop laughing at that!

Eben
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Eben
2 years 8 days ago

Your posts are always great reads.

Wes S.
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Wes S.
2 years 8 days ago
The ridiculous thing is that all this started over the silly notion that instead of training women to defend themelves, we need to train all men not to rape. Even the non-rapey ones. It;’s possible that Scalzi might need such training, but most of us have sufficient self-control and decency that rape won’t be a issue for our wimminfolk. Or any other wimminfolk we might encounter. The other thing is that the people doing all the pearl-clutching over “pussy” don’t have a problem running around dressed as vaginas: http://twitchy.com/2014/06/18/thats-a-really-grumpy-looking-uterus-its-the-uterus-of-justice/ Or with despicable feminists hosting “Slut walks” and “Cuntfests.” (And if… Read more »
maniakmedic
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2 years 8 days ago
Teaching people not to rape is about as useful as teaching people to breathe. Everybody knows rape is wrong; some people do it anyway. There has been a “rape epidemic” in the military that leadership is scrambling to fix. For years they have been trying to address the problem and sexual assault keeps happening. I’m going to go out on a limb and say their approach is all wrong. What could possibly be failing so miserably, you ask. Exactly what the pearl clutching pussies are advocating. I can’t tell you how many times the air force has changed the acronym… Read more »
pavepusher
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2 years 8 days ago

USAF, 23.6 years and counting here. Every time we do some of that training, I ask why we don’t also include advice/training on scream/kick/punch/claw/stab/club/shoot the vile fuckwad attacker until s/he is unable to continue an attack.

I have never received a coherent or direct answer.

But I’m pretty sure this E-7 isn’t going to make E-8. Even if I wanted to.

Kit
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Kit
2 years 8 days ago

Army Civilian here that recently took SHARP training. The old joke that training makes you better at something (like how to sexually harass someone) got a lot less funny when the latest training actually walked you through how a rapist would go about picking, isolating, and assaulting someone. Good to know the tactics of the enemy, but seriously uncomfortable to sit through.

maniakmedic
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2 years 8 days ago
Pavepusher: We can’t have military folks engaging in violence! What would the pearl clutchers think? Kit: Our SNCOs and officers recently had to attend a new version of SAPR and the running joke is now that they’re being taught how to sexually assault someone without getting caught. Before the most recent sexual assault that caused the acronym to change again, the males who attended one session of the training came back with a hilariously ridiculous tale of the room full of guys being asked to separate themselves based on who thought it was ok to refer to a woman as… Read more »
cspschofield
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2 years 8 days ago
No, not everybody knows it’s wrong. Whole swaths of World Culture treat rapes as a man’s right. Islam, for example. If you think they KNOW it’s wrong and do it anyway, you have seriously underestimated how fucked up their culture is. The idea that women should have control over their own bodies is spread mostly by the (originally) Christian West. It is resisted by all those “authentic” native cultures that the SJWs love so goddamned much. But the SJWs would MUCH rather talk about the small problem of Western society than about issues like child-brides, honor killings, female circumcision and… Read more »
maniakmedic
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2 years 8 days ago
Having actually lived in the M.E., I know how screwed up Islam is. Maybe I should say everybody in western society knows it’s wrong. Even the Muslims who live amongst western society – even if they don’t necessarily agree – are aware at the very least that it is a crime. And anyway, when it comes to the SJWs, if they think something is wrong, you can guarantee that they have white, heterosexual males in mind as the cause. I thought that was just automatically implied. Because they certainly aren’t advocating that Mohammed go through this training. Just Bob, Steve,… Read more »
Henry
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Henry
2 years 8 days ago
Aw, crap, maniakmedic, you’ve blown my cover as one of the Super Secret Triumvirate Of Evil And By Evil We Mean All Evil Ever In The Entire History Of The World! The title is a tad unwieldy, but when you’ve been responsible for everything evil for at least ten millennia, you’re just not interested in making it easier for mere mortals to remember our title. A storm knocked out Bob’s and Steve’s internet connections, otherwise they’d be here to chastise you, too. Did anyone notice how I subtly added to the sum of all evil by telling a woman she’d… Read more »
maniakmedic
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2 years 7 days ago

Consider yourself thoroughly and utterly denounced!

Also, I should have included Larry, clearly, because he is the Lord of All Hatemongery.

Alan
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2 years 8 days ago

Powerful.

And as for banning words, everyone remember that this is the genre that brought us Farenheit 451.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

Cognitive dissonance is a way of life for some people.

pavepusher
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2 years 8 days ago

Hell, it’s a one-upmanship contest, by all appearances….

michaelzwilliamson
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2 years 8 days ago

Fahrenheit 451 is a right wing lie. No such book ever existed.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
2 years 8 days ago

Whereas Fahrenhet 9/11 is a left wing lie. 😉

Scott
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2 years 8 days ago

And 1984.

junior
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junior
2 years 8 days ago

Remember that the authors of Ray Bradbury’s generation – on *both* sides of the political aisle – recently wrote a letter to the SWFA telling them that censorship was wrong.

And the response was that the authors were all right-wing nut-jobs.

Narf the Mouse
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Narf the Mouse
2 years 8 days ago

Of course they are.

They’re well-read, well-informed, intelligent individuals who come to their own conclusions.

See? Right-wing nut-jobs.

At least, if your idea of “Left” is somewhere past the bleachers.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
2 years 8 days ago

And anti-woman, and anti-gay, even the ones who were women. And gay.

Wes S.
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Wes S.
2 years 8 days ago

Regarding the MZB and Samuel Delany kiddy-fiddling revelations…well, I suppose that’s why it’s easier to throw a tantrum over Correia deservedly calling someone a “pussy.”

Can’t really expect SFWA to admit they continue to shower awards and recognition on the truly despicable, simply because they tick all the boxes on the trendy kumbaya checklist of the moment, now can you?

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG
2 years 8 days ago

They have become the old joke about the guy who lost his keys in the dark alley, but preferred to search by the lamppost because the light was better.

Kent
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Kent
2 years 8 days ago

“Regarding the MZB and Samuel Delany kiddy-fiddling revelations…”

Don’t forget Arthur C. Clarke; it’s SF’s own Holy Trinity of Kiddy-Diddlers.

Peter O
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Peter O
2 years 8 days ago

Wait, what? Clarke?

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

Word has it that it was an open secret in Sri Lanka or where ever it was he moved to. I don’t know how much evidence there is for it, other than rumor, however.

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
2 years 8 days ago

I’m wondering if it is known if Delany backed his words with actions. Because if it is only reading, funding, and voicing support of NAMBLA, it would seem to fall short of MZB.

Lemming
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Lemming
2 years 8 days ago

Note that the Clarke accusation was found to be without basis.

Peter O
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Peter O
2 years 8 days ago

Bob, yea it is short of MZB, but when you’re always going on about “ending rape culture” and you’re also singing praises to a guy who praises NAMBLA…

Kent
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Kent
2 years 8 days ago

RE: “Note that the Carke accusation was found to be without basis.”

“[Clarke then] repeated a phrase often used by paedophiles: ‘I think most of the damage comes from the fuss made by hysterical parents afterwards. If the kids don’t mind, fair enough […] Because pure and simply, [13-year-old-boys] looked reasonably mature. Mature enough for me.'”

Google “Prince Charles, Arthur C Clarke and the paedophile connection.” Read the whole thing… if you can stomach it.

“Without basis,” my ass.

Chris Gerrib
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2 years 8 days ago

Clarke was cleared of all charges – see here

Robin Munn
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Robin Munn
2 years 8 days ago
@Chris Gerrib – I posted this once with a link, but it got swallowed up, so here it is without a link. It would be more accurate to say that no charges were brought against him, than to say that he was cleared of all charges. The article linked acknowledges that there were rumors, but the police can’t act on the basis of rumors (quite rightly), and nobody ever came forward and said “Clarke molested me,” so no charges were ever brought. Which leaves the whole thing at the level of rumor and hearsay, as far as police accusations are… Read more »
Robin Munn
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Robin Munn
2 years 8 days ago

I meant the “cleared of all charges” statement. Saying “no charges were brought” (as I did say) is true, but would be misleading if it wasn’t accompanied by the evidence of the man’s own words. The reason no charges were brought is because none of his victims dared accuse him.

Narf the Mouse
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Narf the Mouse
2 years 8 days ago

…I’ve seen a lot of people claim a lot of things on the internet. Is this real?

Robin Munn
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Robin Munn
2 years 8 days ago
@Narf the Mouse – If by “Is this real?” you’re referring to the large blockquote I posted, I’m afraid it is. WordPress won’t let me link to it because the article URL contains the word “paedophile”, and that’s apparently on WordPress’s list of censored URL words — so if I posted a link to the article, WordPress would dump my comment straight into the trash bin. However, you can Google the phrase “Prince Charles, Arthur C Clarke and the paedophile connection” for yourself to find the article I’m quoting, which was posted in April 2013. It appears to be a… Read more »
nomasx
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2 years 7 days ago

Frak, I had no idea. I’m sick that I bought many of his books and put money in his pocket.

Narf the Mouse
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Narf the Mouse
2 years 6 days ago

Alright; if that gets verified, some books are getting disposed of.

However, in the absence of verified evidence, then Clark must be presumed innocent.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

You can do whatever sexually depraved things you want with kids and SFWA is really not worried about it.

Call someone who has attacked you repeatedly a “half-savage”, and you’re gone.

dyingearth
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dyingearth
2 years 8 days ago

I got called a “subhuman” yesterday by someone who’d never even heard of me before. But scratch a prog and they bleed eugenics. I’ll be waiting for SFWA to rush to my defense. Larry, you’re not a paid member of SFWA. Not that being a paid member help Vox Day any.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

Nope.

All that badthink Vox has.

It’s funny though. I don’t even like Vox, based on his internet persona, but I find myself sympathizing with him more than I ever could with N.K. Jemisin.

Kristophr
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2 years 8 days ago

Nazis never change.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

Would you care to elaborate? Because that can kind of be read like you’re calling me a Nazi.

Which wouldn’t be the first time this week, but…

dyingearth
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dyingearth
2 years 8 days ago

re: T.L.Knighton
[quote]Would you care to elaborate? Because that can kind of be read like you’re calling me a Nazi.
Which wouldn’t be the first time this week, but…[/quote]

And we have our Godwin for the thread.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

Well, it is always nice to get it out of the way early.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG
2 years 8 days ago

Knowing Kristopher, he’s referring to the SFWA, and the current belief in white blood guilt, ect.

T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

That’s what I’m figuring too.

But it’s been one of those weeks. While I’m done being nice to these turdnuggets, I know Kristopher usually doesn’t fly that way, so to speak, which is why I asked him rather calmly.

If I didn’t know him, I’d probably fly off the handle like I did in an earlier thread. 🙂

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG
2 years 8 days ago

This stacking comment system can be… interesting at times.

dyingearth
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dyingearth
2 years 8 days ago
SJW Logic 102: How to react to bad words used in argument. The most important thing is to determine what the though affiliation of both party held. If SJW calling a non-SJW member bad word, then it’s A-OK as it’s just the truth. If a non-SJW using a bad word to describe SJW, then it’s Holy Inquisition time baby. It matters not what the bad word in question is. If SJW is calling out an SJW using bad word, one of them will be excommunicated depending on which one of them are higher on the totem pole. non-SJW calling out… Read more »
T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

Maybe the thing to do is start pointing out that, because of the phallic nature of the word “dick” that some lefties love so much, using “dick” is not only supportive of teh patriarchy, but also homophobic since it’s a man deriding a man for being a penis.

Just a thought.

swiftfoxmark2
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2 years 8 days ago

As far as I’m concerned, every single one of these Pink SF/F authors is a child rape apologist. And don’t ever consider them anything different until they formally denounce both Samuel R Delany and Marion Zimmber Bradley.

Maybe you should have called Scalzi a child rapist instead. He might have not made a big stink about it because he obviously doesn’t consider it an insult.

ConantheCimmerian
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2 years 8 days ago

As far as I’m concerned, every single one of these Pink SF/F authors is a child rape apologist. And don’t ever consider them anything different until they formally denounce both Samuel R Delany and Marion Zimmber Bradley.

That needs repeating because of the truth of it.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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This exactly right there. + a billion thumbs up.

rocinante2
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rocinante2
2 years 8 days ago
They’re not going to denounce Delany and MZB (at least not in any full-throated way, and certainly not in the middle of a donnybrook like this). They’re human (or have human-like characteristics), and it takes a big, confident, secure human to admit he/she is wrong. I’m big, confident, and secure – and I *hate* it 🙂 They see themselves as oppressed, victimized, disempowered, marginalized, etc., etc. Their belief in their own rightness and rectitude is a major source of comfort. Numbers and agreement are a major source of safety to them. (Weird for a bunch who claim to be highly-individualistic… Read more »
Lea
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Lea
2 years 8 days ago
“I know none of you are under any obligation to condemn Samuel R Delany or Marion Zimmber Bradley. But when you’re going to start attacking people and you choose Larry Correia….” Damn straight. It’s making the wrong people the ‘enemy’. The enemy is not Larry or Miss Nevada. The enemy is not the person who disagrees with you politically. The enemy is not George Will, much as I wish he would stop yammering on about baseball. This framing of the ‘other’ side of the political aisle as the bad guys while ignoring the real and terrible evil’s out there is… Read more »
Julaire
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Julaire
2 years 7 days ago
Your comments reminded me of this quote from Babylon 5. “Every day, here and at home, we are warned about the enemy. But who is the enemy? Is it the alien? Well, we are all alien to one another. Is it the one who believes differently than we do? No, not at all, my friends. The enemy is fear. The enemy is ignorance. The enemy is the one who tells you that you must hate that which is different. Because, in the end, that hate will turn on you. And that same hate will destroy you.” Seems like the SJW… Read more »
Brian Epps (@Random_Numbers)
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No, the SJW crowd tells you to hate what is normal. Look up oikophobia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikophobia#Scruton.27s_usage

keranih
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2 years 8 days ago
I agreed with your post on the bs pushback that Miss Nevada got. I think JH was talking past your post more than he was actually responding to it. (And I think that he was correct in pointing out that we should be addressing the factors that support rapists as well as defending against individual attacks. I also don’t think JH would agree with me as to what the social factors were that encouraged rapists to think they could get away with it.) And I agree that Salzi was over the line in both blasting your blog title without reading… Read more »
trev006
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trev006
2 years 8 days ago

Necessary? No. Accurate? Why, yes. We’re not in grade school and you’re not our mom, so you can stop auditioning for the Word Police, which do not actually exist. If you really agree with all the things that smarter people have said, please ask Scalzi and his fellow freakshows to at least stop taking the low road. Protip: lionizing a child raper is so low I’m pretty sure you can see the river Styx from it.

keranih
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2 years 8 days ago
“no we’re not 12 but we’ll act like it if we wanna” “you’re not the boss of me” “you’re stupid!” …are you done? Got it out of your system? Feel better? Good. Now, if one actually wants people to listen to suggestions/requests/ect, here’s a protip for you – don’t call them names. I think it’s highly likely that whatever childrapers currently running about in SFF are more likely to be among the ‘tolerant’ crowd than on this side of the road. But I don’t dismiss the possibility that there are some over here, as well, that have not been discovered… Read more »
T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago

Do you really think Scalzi was interested in listening to Larry, or any of us? He wasn’t. He showed up on Twitter with an axe to grind.

And yes, our side may well have our own MZB’s and Delany’s. The difference is, if we find them, we’ll denounce them very, very loudly. Hines’s only reference was so vague that if one didn’t know about the MZB allegations, you wouldn’t have had a clue what he was talking about.

trev006
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trev006
2 years 8 days ago
“…are you done? Got it out of your system? Feel better?” I’m great at being respectful to people who I’m interested in engaging: but merely implying that you’re a sanctimonious prick whose opinion I don’t care about was being too subtle. Again you’re straining at gnats, and in doing so you’re being a fantastic example of the mindset that leads the Scalzi types into Twitterstorms over words. Which is exactly what I wanted clarified, in a simple (coarse) way. TLK: you’ve more or less got it in one. I’m not upset that people have liked MZB in the past- though… Read more »
Scott
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2 years 8 days ago

Protip: lionizing a child raper is so low I’m pretty sure you can see the river Styx from it.
Yeah, if you look up.

Tom Simon
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2 years 8 days ago

‘Yeah, if you look up.’

‘It is not always wrong even to go, like Dante, to the brink of the lowest promontory and look down at hell. It is when you look up at hell that a serious miscalculation has probably been made.’—G. K. Chesterton

warpcordova
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2 years 8 days ago

In arguments like this, taking the high road (as some have done in the past) has only given the opponent the nerve and idea that they were winning, and push harder.

keranih
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2 years 8 days ago

Could be. My experience has been different, but could be.

In my case, I’m not caving no matter how hard they push. So better to win over the undecideds rather than chortle about how clever I am at name calling.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG
2 years 8 days ago

You don’t go to Thai House for spaghetti, and you don’t come to Larry’s for understated, subtle and nuanced commentary.

Larry doesn’t do rapier wit, he’s more of the tetseubo type.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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It’s insisting to take the high road when the opponent / person espousing the horrible idea has essentially told you to shut up or you’re a bad person/racist/(whateverist) that’s a tactic that actively works especially if the person in question pretty much says “I’m a rape victim/victim of (blank), shut up don’t question me or you’re questioning my rape, / tragedy you misogynistic piece of shit hater!!!!” They’ll call me a bitch, a minion, a ‘Populi’, a bullying, rape-victim-blaming, rape denying slave of the patriarchy… whatever. They can bleat and shriek it from the slime pits in which they congregate,… Read more »
warpcordova
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2 years 8 days ago

There is no “like” or “+1” for this but… yeah. Exactly this. This is how they play, this is how they fight, and then they bitch and moan when we fight back.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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How dare we fight back against the people fighting on the side of the ‘angels’? We must thereefore be evil and thus destroyed.

If they are fighting on the side of the ‘angels’ I think they’re missing ‘fallen’ as an adjective there.

jabrwok
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jabrwok
2 years 8 days ago

“Oh sh*t! It’s Franks!”

Sorry, couldn’t resist:-).

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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XD Don’t apologize for that!

Carl Henderson
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2 years 8 days ago

As far as I know, there is no evidence that Samuel Delaney ever had sex with under-aged boys. He may have written approvingly of NAMBLA, but that does not mean he’s a “child rapist”; just a creep. While all child molesters are creeps, not all creeps are child molesters.

If I am wrong about this, I will happily accept evidence to the contrary.

Peter O
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Peter O
2 years 7 days ago

Carl, but when you’re railing against “Rape Culture” and don’t speak against him, and in fact praise him…
You’re not serious about rape, you’re using rape as a rhetorical cudgel.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 8 days ago

Yeah, here’s my high road: intersectional QUILTBAG feminism in SFF is a hate-group. They easily fit the Southern Poverty Law Center’s definition of attacking groups based on their immutable characteristics, in this case ethnic European, male and heterosexual.

keranih
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2 years 8 days ago

And good luck Fail, getting any of them to agree with you, even when you’re right. Are you interested in having people cheer at your quips, or in undermining the support that the frothing hysterics have, so that no one pays them any heed?

dyingearth
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dyingearth
2 years 8 days ago

re: keranih Fail Burton doesn’t have to do much. The SJW’s own word is so much more powerful.

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 8 days ago

Frankly I don’t care what racist and sexist bigots think – about anything.

Joseph Capdepon II
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2 years 8 days ago

Have you ever been on a construction site? Worse things than pussy are uttered between the men there. Joking around, I’ve called co-workers worse things. No 12 year old males working there.

“The mayfly-brained crowd sees it and cheers. Yah.”

Is this an insult aimed towards everyone who agrees that Scalzi is a pussy?

“No need to call Scalzi a pussy. It gave him an opening that you totally didn’t need to give him. ”

What opening? It was like watching a heavyweight(Larry) fighting a featherweight(Scalzi.) Scalzi never stood a chance.

keranih
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2 years 8 days ago
Oh, yes, I’ve been on construction sites, and places where the language is worse, and I’ve used it myself. Doesn’t change that that language is not optimal for engaging people on a serious level. Joking with buds is not what LC and JS were doing. And if LC was winning by that much, resorting to name calling is even worse. Was this an insult aimed at everyone who agrees that Scalzi is a pussy? No, it was aimed at the short-attention span crowd who likes fights and fireworks and will move on to the next fight and firework display with… Read more »
Joseph Capdepon II
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2 years 8 days ago
“Doesn’t change that that language is not optimal for engaging people on a serious level. Joking with buds is not what LC and JS were doing. And if LC was winning by that much, resorting to name calling is even worse.” Why isn’t that language optional? Words are meant to convey something. Twitter only lets a person use 140 characters. Pussy is easier to convey what Scalzi is than multiple words that could be used to describe him. Why should anyone police their language so as to not offend the special snowflakes and delicate flowers out there? If you are… Read more »
Julie Frost (@JulieCFrost)
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2 years 8 days ago

What in the world makes you think that Larry was “seriously engaging” Scalzi? More like pointing and laughing.

Synova
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Synova
2 years 8 days ago
I’ve no doubt at all that everyone on the planet who is *inclined* to view using the word “pussy” as a terrible crime, something akin to the misogyny of the word “hysteric”, etc., thought that Scalzi was the one laying the beat down. Thus… “opening” I suppose. Anyone with sense, who *might* have thought… “pussy” is grade school taunting and below you… also got to see the oh so serious accusations that this word is proof of misogyny. Sort of like naming hurricanes after women… or using the word “miss”… or a father figure seeking to “control the sexuality of… Read more »
Andrew
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Andrew
2 years 8 days ago

I see no reason to treat a fundamentally stupid argument with any dignity. Further, derision is the appropriate response to someone who insults a person who takes upon themselves the responsibility for the protection of their own life. Finally, while you may feel it is appropriate to police your speech to appeal to the sort of people that are going to be persuaded more by the use of a vulgar word than concrete actions, but I do not.

keranih
Guest
2 years 8 days ago

I’m sorry, what concrete actions are we talking about here? All I saw was LC & JS exchanging a lot of words.

derision is the appropriate response to someone who insults a person who takes upon themselves the responsibility for the protection of their own life

So, how is that working out for you, in getting people to agree with you? Or do you mock them until they go away, and figure that once out of sight, out of mind?

Joseph Capdepon II
Guest
2 years 8 days ago

“So, how is that working out for you, in getting people to agree with you? Or do you mock them until they go away, and figure that once out of sight, out of mind?”

Scalzi will never agree with Larry. Never. The universe will suffer heat death before Scalzi agrees with Larry. By agreeing with Larry, Scalzi’s whole universe would be turned upside down, as would all the SJWs in the world.

So yes, mocking and deriding them is the proper response to idiots like Scalzi.

Andrew
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Andrew
2 years 8 days ago

The words: LC says “pussy”, which Scalzi says is anti-woman.

The deeds: LC advocates and has worked to directly physically empower women.

I suppose you could argue that LC likes people having guns more than he hates women, but women still win in that equation.

ratseal
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ratseal
2 years 8 days ago

Just checked. Nope. Didn’t see you word policing Hines for his use of the work ‘dick’.

Hmm.

Joel Salomon
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2 years 8 days ago

I take it Kerani is perfectly fine with Jim Hines using alienating language. As Larry has said, Twitter fighting is a spectator sport: you want the opposition to show themselves as pusillanimous name-callers before the crowd.

keranih
Guest
2 years 8 days ago

Hmmm. First off, it’s “tone policing”, get it right. Secondly, yeap, missed that, my bad. Alas, JH had long since shut down his comments before I got around to reading his post.

Please don’t assume I am good with the other side being annoying insulting fools. I am, however, far less concerned with their reputation, and as Salomon says, letting them be what they are only hurts their side.

Book
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Book
2 years 8 days ago
^^I am sure that everyone at SFWA was jumping all over each other to condemn this sort of behavior. Not that I’m equating calling someone someone a pussy – it’s a pretty mild epithet- to calling a woman a cunt. Maybe it’s the southern in me, but I’m just not a fan of certain terms being used. I don’t know why. The only people I’d ever censor would be my children or houseguests because I do expect respect, but for some reason there are some terms that I find worse than others. I know that’s arbitrary and subject to change.… Read more »
pavepusher
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2 years 8 days ago

“talking past”? Heck, he was building Strawmen at an industrial rate.

Patrick Chester
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Patrick Chester
2 years 8 days ago

I tend to call it Genocide in Strawmania.

Many Strawmen died to bring us this talking point…

Luke
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Luke
2 years 8 days ago

Anyone who gets the vapors at seeing someone called a pussy, is, in fact, a pussy.

Scalzi was being a pussy.
Pointing that out, is a public service.

monkeyfan
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monkeyfan
2 years 4 days ago

Amen

The Phantom
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2 years 3 days ago

Seriously? Scalzi IS a pussy. He acts like some whiny little girl when he’s in fact a full-grown man. That’s a dictionary definition of being a pussy.

Incidentally, this here is the high road. You want to see the low road, just check out that Scalzi twitter feed for death wishes and some pretty repulsive s3x-related name calling.

Derrick McMullin
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2 years 8 days ago

So I guess you won’t be on Writing Excuses anymore, that’s to bad.

Desert Rat
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Desert Rat
2 years 8 days ago
I had no idea that Mary Robinette Kowal, the Yoko Ono of Writing Excuses, was a SJW. Everything begins to make perfect sense now. God, I haven’t been able to listen to Writing Excuses for a long time now because of her. She’s so fucking boring, and the podcast just isn’t much fun anymore. Now we know why, because we’ve got Affirmative Action Girl there to be the wet blanket on everyone’s fun. Howard, Dan, and Brandon must have been getting crap from the feministas about being a boys’ club, so they chose an appropriate agent from the Approved Social… Read more »
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dgarsys
2 years 7 days ago
Count me in as one who used to rabidly follow the podcast, and now am among the “how long has it been?” crowd. Also the “and it started happening before I knew of MRK in any other context.” In all fairness, she seems to have some knowledge, but the show format is 15 minutes. Adding her in seems to have made the show shallower as four people try to get their insights in rather than three, and so depth seems to have suffered. I don’t believe she’s added something sufficiently different, insightful, or unique to make up for cramming a… Read more »
KHorn
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KHorn
2 years 8 days ago
“I’m hoping you didn’t know. I’m hoping NK Jemisin and K Tempest Bradford and Mary Robinette Kowal don’t know.” Andrew, I hate to tell you but they do know and they don’t care. Your victimhood, and that of Bradley and NAMBLA’s victims, does not advance their cause and so you are invisible to them. My son is an officer with HPD and recently had a call where a husband had been beaten soundly by his wife using a tire iron. This was not the first time this had happened, and in fact the woman had just been released a week… Read more »
michaelzwilliamson
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2 years 8 days ago

Besides, the children Breen went after were white males, and that privilege means they can’t be raped, since rape is sex with power. White males automatically have power, so it wasn’t rape.

junior
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junior
2 years 8 days ago

Reminds me of mention I read recently (in Slate, of all places) that the US Department of Justice only started tracking statistics for rapes in which males were victims in 2012. Prior to that they automatically threw out any statistics in which rapes of males were included.

Doesn’t fit the narrative…

rufus3698
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2 years 8 days ago

Larry, the SJWs got you spending 200 words going on about the etymology of a word defined by them as being “bad”. A useless endeavor. If you want to do something meaningful in the culture wars, make fun of them. Satirize the fools. Make a farce of their arguments.
You’ve got the weapons to do that and it would likely be as entertaining as hell. A “Bill the Galactic Hero” for the post modern age.

Kent
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Kent
2 years 8 days ago

” If you want to do something meaningful in the culture wars, make fun of them. Satirize the fools.”

^ THIS ^. As the always estimable C.S. Lewis so aptly put it: “The Devil is proud, and cannot bear to be mocked.”

Joseph Capdepon II
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2 years 8 days ago

Have you read any of Larry’s blog posts?

junior
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junior
2 years 8 days ago

There have been some small things included here and there. For instance, the Monsters Rights group in MHL. I don’t think he’s put any major pokes into his books yet, though.

dyingearth
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2 years 8 days ago

junior, on June 20, 2014 at 6:28 am said:
There have been some small things included here and there. For instance, the Monsters Rights group in MHL. I don’t think he’s put any major pokes into his books yet, though.

Seeing MCB’s SOP is to either intimidate or kill witness, the Monster Right organization won’t have much to stand on.

Ray
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Ray
2 years 8 days ago

To these people left is right and right is wrong. Logic doesn’t signify.

Jake
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Jake
2 years 8 days ago

Or as the Tumblr In Action group on Reddit likes to put it: FACTS DON’T REAL, ONLY FEELS.

LittleRed1
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LittleRed1
2 years 8 days ago

That’s even less realistic than “four legs good, two legs bad.”

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik
2 years 8 days ago

Less garmmatical, too.

Carl Henderson
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2 years 8 days ago
Maybe this is a cultural thing. Is it possible there are a significant percentage of men on the political left that do (or did) think that rape was “okay” or “no big deal” in some instances? Enough so, that from the viewpoint of women (and men) living in that subculture, teaching men not to rape actually does make sense? In other words, could their reactions to Mr. Correia’s “Naïve Idiocy of Teach Rapists Not to Rape” post make sense from within their subcultural context because they see much more sexual violence from “normal” men than would be typical among libertarians… Read more »
BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
2 years 8 days ago

There are some indications, W. Clinton, T. Kennedy, J. Kennedy, C. Dodd, et al. on the one hand, and apparently in certain leftist communities of the sixties women were expected to say yes to anyone.

NKR
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NKR
2 years 8 days ago

What about Occupy? That was pure leftism and they had to create safe places because so many people were being raped and sexually assaulted. Yes, rape is a huge problem with players on the left. Just look at Hollywood. It’s rampant.

Synova
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Synova
2 years 8 days ago
“…in certain leftist communities of the sixties women were expected to say yes to anyone.” No doubt a certain amount of that was pure predation of the “god requires you to have sex with the cult leader” type… But when the whole deal is Free Love on what basis do you say but not with you? When your whole social agenda is destroying the prudish body shaming of your parent’s generation how do you say but not with you? If there is a “rape culture” it makes way more sense that it would be based on demands for sexual permissiveness… Read more »
perlhaqr
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2 years 8 days ago
I don’t think it’s limited to “the political left”. Think Steubenville. I very much doubt those football boys had any political leanings whatsoever. And they got a young girl so drunk she passed dead out, and took pictures while they stripped her naked and had sex with her. That’s rape. And given the fact that they took pictures while doing it and spread them around school, they apparently (surely!) didn’t know it was rape. It is my understanding that this is what the “teach men not to rape” line is talking about. It is my understanding that they get that… Read more »
Synova
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Synova
2 years 8 days ago

“…they apparently (surely!) didn’t know it was rape.”

Someone the other day asked this question to test for “knowing”… if the girl passed out was the sister of any one of them, would they have “known” it was rape?

Clearly… YES.

The ability to talk themselves into going along with the group, to talk themselves into it… is not the definition of if they knew it was rape or not.

And I do hope (since there is photographic evidence) that they are now in jail.

junior
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junior
2 years 8 days ago

That strikes me as the kind of thing where you “thought it was a good idea at the time”. But once you come to your senses afterwards, you realize how badly you screwed up. And yes, at that instant, I suspect that they did know it was rape without needing to be told. But “at the time”, so to speak, you’re not really thinking clearly for whatever reason.

perlhaqr
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perlhaqr
2 years 7 days ago
Synova: I don’t know for certain that that follows. Guys in our society frequently get defensive about their female relatives, even when everything is clearly and perfectly consenting. They might well have objected on those grounds alone. It does not necessarily follow that they’d have objected because they thought of it as “rape”, but rather simply because it was someone having sex with their sister under any circumstances. *shrug* That’s speculation, though. I think it’s pretty clear that at the time they most likely were not thinking of themselves as “that guy that hangs out in alleys and rapes women”,… Read more »
Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 8 days ago
Let’s remind people how law works. People at Steubenville get arrested for crimes, not anyone else. Unless you can prove a conspiracy to commit rape exists, there is no such thing as “rape culture.” The promotion of “rape culture” is meant to demonize men, not prevent rape. None of these fake feminists have done anything to prevent rape. They are interested in blame, not solutions. And did anyone notice Scalzi Tweeted he was donating 1,000 bucks to RAIIN because of LC? That is classic intersectional feminism. LC uses a slur and Scalzi – in true intersectional fashion – links LC… Read more »
Joel Salomon
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2 years 8 days ago

That was a retweet-with-comment; it was someone else who donated the money. (And then complained that RAINN doesn’t like the term “rape culture”.)

NKR
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2 years 8 days ago
The term “rape culture” IIRC was actually created to describe life in men’s prisons. So the SJW’s simply appropriated the term and shove the victims of prison rape (male prison rape) off to the side because they don’t matter to them and they figure it’s an awesome, catchy term and they should have it. Their movement is so lame they have to steal their language from men. They are not feminists. As for the Steubenville thing, those boys were a part of a much bigger problem that the SJWs do not want to focus on. Their cultural push is causing… Read more »
Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 8 days ago

I have never seen a retweet formatted like that and Scalzi is not listed as one of the retweeters. I put it below so people can make of it what they will.

Joel Salomon
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2 years 8 days ago

The original tweet is at https://twitter.com/subpress/status/479309034885873664 and Scalzi retweeted adding “Awesome”.

Joel Salomon
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2 years 8 days ago

It’s not a “standard” retweet or reply, so it breaks Twitter’s threading. (Which manages to be worse than WordPress’s. 🙁 )

Fail Burton
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Fail Burton
2 years 8 days ago

The original thought stands: Scalzi is linking LC to enabling rape.

Ascher Goodrich
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Ascher Goodrich
2 years 8 days ago

Scalzi insinuated that Larry Correia was pro-rape. Then he said Mr. Correia was an outright misogynist, along with all his readers, and an idiot. How does being called a pussy, especially when your acting like one, even compare to being called a pro-rape, misogynist idiot? Not to mention insulting your entire fan base. Yet, I don’t see anyone calling to ban the words pro-rape, misogynist, or idiot.

David, Infamous Sockpuppet
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David, Infamous Sockpuppet
2 years 8 days ago

Well, we’re just cutting off our nose to spite our face if we ban words like “idiot.” Then we would be in the unenviable position of having to write things like, “that there-used-to-be-a-word-that-perfectlly-described-him-but-I-can’t-use-it-anymore John Scalzi.” Much easier just to write, “that idiot John Scalzi.”

Desert Rat
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Desert Rat
2 years 8 days ago

Where’s my “like” button for this comment?

Frustrated
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Frustrated
2 years 8 days ago

“I don’t see anyone calling to ban the word…idiot.”

Clearly you haven’t seen the bleeding edge of “social justice”. That is probably good for your sanity.

http://imgur.com/40byxzB — it’s a Huffington Post article, in screenshot form so we don’t have to bite on their clickbait.

perlhaqr
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2 years 8 days ago

Prediction, before looking: Somewhere in that image will be the word “ableist”.

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Goddamn. I didn’t think I’d get it in the fucking headline.

Ascher Goodrich
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Ascher Goodrich
2 years 8 days ago
I could have lived a long happy life without reading that Frustrated. I guess this woman never heard the “sticks and stones” thing. I get that being called names can hurt sometimes, but trying to ban the word isn’t going to change anything. Also, she said,”That’s like being welcomed as an activist, and as an ally and as a parent, but not as a woman or a Jew.” As a Jew I just want to say this woman in no way speaks for the people as a whole. Jews learned long ago that crying about being called bad names doesn’t… Read more »
T.L. Knighton
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2 years 8 days ago
As someone with multiple learning disabilities, that woman is batshit insane. I don’t get pissed at someone saying they had a dyslexic moment, even though *I* have dyslexia and know there’s more to it than “moments”. I don’t get pissed when people talk about how American society has ADHD, even though I really have it and most of the people using the term don’t really understand it. I don’t get bent out of shape because everyone knows what they mean, and I do too. There’s no reason to get bent out of shape because they use something that sucks as… Read more »
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ken
2 years 8 days ago

wait…you didn’t have time to respond because you were finishing a short story but you had time to write this?! HA…man…when I saw the scroll bar I thought it was because of the million comment posts…nope just Larry calling a duck-a-duck. Hang in there kitty….wait….was that sexist?….I don’t do innuendo well according to Scalzi.

Andrew
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Andrew
2 years 8 days ago
I hate to break it to you Larry, but you are civilized. What’s worse, they know it. They know that no matter their posturing and claims to the contrary, you’re never going to take the first step toward violence. It’s safe to be afraid of you. It’s safe to “challenge” you. You won’t hurt them. You won’t even call for their livelihoods to be lost. They even know that if ever they are brutally attacked, you, those you’ve supplied, those you’ve trained and those of like mind will side against the attacker. Unfortunately, they aren’t civilized. They’re barbarians. They have… Read more »
Brian
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Brian
2 years 8 days ago

Sometimes, in defense of civilization, it is necessary to act uncivilly. May I suggest that moment is rapidly approaching

Andrew
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Andrew
2 years 8 days ago

I’m not sure you’re correct. I suspect our definition of civilized may have mutated to the point where it’s destructive.

Dan Lane
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Dan Lane
2 years 8 days ago
Bit of Stockholm Syndrome? Oh my, yes. The *real* dangers are, apparently, swept under the rug. Real, vile, terrible things, like abusing children. Were there members of fandom complicit? That appears likely. Hell, even Hines appears to get that. I wouldn’t call these fools ‘barbarians.’ The epic straw-man battles that are waged by such can be so skillfully executed they receive accolades and ovations by the score from the untutored and new to the world. Until, that is, one notices that the mannequins do not move, the snarling painted faces are a child’s caricature, the blood of slashed and stabbed… Read more »
Andrew
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Andrew
2 years 8 days ago
Thing is, I think they probably are barbarian. They’re disdainful of the things that make a civil society possible, and much of their action is toward the destruction of those things. Even in, and perhaps only in, a society that cherishes the idea that you can build your own way to live and invite people along, they are not able to allow others dissenting opinions from their tribe. Just look at the current argument, LC is accused of being pro-rape, largely because he is of the opinion (I’m making an assumption here about LC’s view) that the best way to… Read more »
Dan Lane
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Dan Lane
2 years 8 days ago
Would you accept ‘decadent’ as a compromise? Decayed, degenerate, accepting the fruits of a free society while rejecting the toil and vigilance that such a society requires? Barbarians makes me think they are the Visigoths, come to sack Rome. In point of fact, they are more the senators, selling sheep and rotten fruit in the forum where the people once made their laws. They truly believe they are the final arbiters of civilization and right-thinking (though with a slant to the left so strong it appears horizontal). They snidely imply that Larry is pro-rape, dangerous, and probably kicks puppies to… Read more »
Andrew
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Andrew
2 years 8 days ago

I’ll accept decadent, but I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive. They’re against the current civilization, and I bet if you asked them, they’d admit their aims are to destroy the current society. They’re sacking the current civilization, generally expecting the loot to last forever.

dyingearth
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dyingearth
2 years 8 days ago

SJW exhibits the kind of stupidity that only postgraduate degree in non-STEM can manage. Their nuances are so subtle mere plebes like the readers of this blog cannot hope to comprehend.

John
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2 years 8 days ago

I sort of suspected that ‘pussy’ was going to come back to you. I also figured that you could handle it in your usual inimitable manner!

midnightyell
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2 years 8 days ago

I’m amused that the comment system on here has words it won’t allow, including many mentioned in the post.

midnightyell
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2 years 8 days ago

Or maybe it was just a transient error when I pressed send. Nevermind. Joke is now dead.

Chris K
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Chris K
2 years 8 days ago
Call me crazy, cut didn’t this whole disagreement start when Larry pointed out that men who forcibly rape people are deranged, evil people, and can only be stopped with force? Read Peter Grant’s book about being a prison chaplain and tell me that the average person he profiles just needs to be told it’s bad to steal, rape, and beat people up and they magically won’t do it anymore. Jim wants to “educate” the problem away, but to actually do so would touch far, far too many of his sacred cows. First, serial rapists are commit the vast majority of… Read more »
Blaine
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Blaine
2 years 7 days ago
Sorry, but I have to pipe in. Czech Republic is one of the most liberal countries in the world. And by liberal I mean the true meaning of the word. And we have one of the most atheistic societies in the world as well. It’s because of history, go read up something about Jan Hus, Thirty years war (started in Bohemia… some guys decided, those taxes are too steep and threw governor from the window on the cowshit heap), Age of Darkness (very poetic name for that part of our history) and after WWI and WW2. And we have a… Read more »
Blaine
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Blaine
2 years 7 days ago
Thank you, Mr. Correia for writing awesome things. I’ve just vocally plugged you on our czech RPGforum, where we RPG fans hang out. Because you know, Grimnoir Chronicles was the best series I got to listen after binging Harry Dresden (narration by James Marsters is soooo great… I can’t even… that part in Changes, even thinking about it now, it brings tears into my eyes). And I will be my evangelical self on upcoming biggest convention in Czech Republic, where I do some wargaming demos (Dystopian Wars, Infinity, Warhammer 40k and Warzone Ressurection). So during drinking evening I will bring… Read more »
Chris K
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Chris K
2 years 4 days ago
Blaine, I mentioned it very briefly, but the difference in America is mostly due to race. We could ethnically cleanse America of non Europeans, and within a decade or so, our crime rates would be similar. That however is somewhat problematic solution that creates more problems than it solves, IMO. I recall reading last year, that 100% of the rapes in Sweden were committed by Muslim gang members, it’s not the liberal nature of European society that’s the problem, it’s liberalism combined with multiculturalism and excuse making for dangerous criminals. My main point was that American Liberals are raging hypocrites.… Read more »
Blaine
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Blaine
2 years 4 days ago
Chris K: I’d guess it comes down to the culture. We had our problems with religious wars in long past and reaction to this was to turn away from religion. And of course us being part of the Eastern European bloc and under communism didn’t help either. They cleansed the society of undesirables, which included religious people (or they were shunted to the sides of society, like Jews, Romani or people who weren’t ardent supports of the Party). That’s our (my generation I mean) inheritance from the past. And because I sometime come along people on the internets claiming you… Read more »
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