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Correia uses a bad word, and it is the Worst Thing Ever: SJW Outrage of the Week

 

I got into a Twitter fight with author John Scalzi yesterday. There’s no need to write up a blog post detailing that because Twitchy already did it for me. Thanks, Twitchy!

http://twitchy.com/2014/06/19/monster-hunter-author-larry-correia-targeted-for-departing-from-rape-culture-orthodoxy/

Fun stuff.

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Posted that earlier and got some messages of WTF? For those of you following the continuing balkanization of sci-fi/fantasy and the perpetually outraged Social Justice Warrior’s outrage of the week, it was recently revealed that liberal/feminist icon Marion Zimmer Bradley was a pedophile child rapist, with many victims, whose crimes were known about and covered up by elements of fandom… So yesterday the Social Justice Warriors boldly banded together to condemn conservative author Larry Correia for using the word “pussy”.

Background, yesterday morning Jim C. Hines decided to make up some more stuff about me. This time it was about my post in response to Miss Nevada’s detractors called The Naïve Idiocy of Teach Rapists Not to Rape. Like usual Hines pretty much agreed with what I actually said, all while making up weird things that I supposedly said to rail against instead.

Of course I didn’t see this post through a track back, because it is hard to throw chickenshit allegations about somebody when you link to what they actually said. But one of my readers saw it and posted the link on Facebook. (later in the day, Hines would marvel that Correia’s minions had found it already… Yes, Jim, they have the internet on computers now). Unlike Jim, I’m not an incompetent wimp, so here’s the link to his: http://www.jimchines.com/2014/06/lc-on-rape-and-self-defense/ (I copied the final comment and posted it at the very end of this post because I find it powerful and damning, so if you read anything, at least skip ahead and read that)

Now here is the interesting thing, I had to finish a short story yesterday so didn’t have any time to respond myself, but ten or twelve of my readers went over and started arguing. It mostly consisted of “He never said that, he never said, Larry never said that either.” One guy, who was a fan of both me and Hines, put his post up on my FB and posted it to Jim’s blog comments. It was all reasonable, but mostly concentrated on where Jim’s stats were fishy. It never appeared. Go figure.

A couple hours later Jim locked the comments, because that’s what progs do when people disagree with their disingenuous nonsense. Ironically, my post that provoked Jim is still open to comments, and has about 600 now with people from all sorts of different backgrounds arguing all sorts of different positions. I’ve never closed a comment thread on my blog ever. It’s like I always say, it isn’t my side trying to silence the opposition. It is routine for left wingers to “massage” their blog comments. Meanwhile the right loves when the left talks, because the more they say, the more the world can see just how full of shit they are.

That afternoon, short story is turned in, and somebody else on FB tells me that Scalzi is trying to start some shit on Twitter. So I went over to take a look. You can see how that turned out in the Twitchy link above. Basically the nail that sticks up must be hammered down, but sadly I’m more of a rail road spike and my detractors are Fisher Price squeaky hammers.

There were a ton of other comments on there also, because as usual a legion of poo flinging monkeys descended on me, armed with their Checklists. You had the internet tough guys who didn’t need guns to defend themselves (of course, I’m sure they are total badasses in real life, but their wives and mothers aren’t, which is why I teach women to shoot guns) and the usual how guns were compensating for tiny penises (which doesn’t explain women who carry guns…) Most of it was the usual snide, self-righteous, make shit up, and take whatever you can out of context in order to get offended and give yourself sainted victimhood, nonsense.

Another author, Mary Robinette Kowal, who I have met in person several times, either read the timeline backwards on accident or deliberately, (in reality, I insulted Scalzi, then a woman said she was a rape victim and I was being mean, but Mary flipped it so that a woman told me she was a rape victim and then I insulted her) then used that to show her readers how hateful I was to hurl insensitive insults at rape victims. When pointed out by me and a few others that she got the timeline backwards, she kept with it, because my insulting an effeminate man with a vulgar word related to female genitalia (a type of  insult that has been in common usage since at least the Romans) was the worst thing ever.

Meanwhile, one of the Caring Liberals was hurling much viler insults at one of my supporters who was a rape survivor, but that didn’t count, because he was on my side, and thus deserved it.

Mary then told me I was disgusting and dangerous and needed to stay away from her. Yep. Disagreeing or failing to sufficiently cheer lead prog nonsense makes you “dangerous”. SJWs love to hurl stuff like that out there, hoping it sticks. The best weapon in their arsenal is someone unfamiliar with you seeing your name connected to Dangerous, Rape Apologist, Misogynist, Sexist, Racist, Homophobic, etc. and spreading that around.  Smear then disengage. Mary’s far smarter than Scalzi.

EDIT: See below, Mary has made a public apology. I’m still disgusting and dangerous… meh… But at least I’m not being portrayed as going out of my way to insult rape victims. 

But dangerous? You must have me mistaken with one of the left wing child molesters you guys keep showering with praise.  If by dangerous, you mean I’m well trained and used to be a top competition shooter, yes, which is why I took my dangerous knowledge and shared it with as many women as possible so they could be empowered and able to defend themselves. But hey, everybody’s definition of dangerous is different. I hurt someone’s feelings once.

As for the insensitive evil badness of disagreeing with the opinion of somebody who has been a victim, the following was written by one of my regular readers (Shadowdancer) a few days ago and is from the (still open!) comments:

But do rape victims, or, indeed, any other victim of a tragedy or any other trauma, suddenly become sainted, that they become unquestionable? Are they suddenly elevated beyond the rest of us, that their words – especially if they’re incredibly harmful ideas -can no longer be tested or confronted in the arena of ideas? Do people who have been traumatized in some way gain a special knowledge that makes them unimpeachable and beyond criticism if they espouse a point of view that is not only hypocritical, but one that actively will create more victims, encourage social if not actual vigilantism, and remove the protection of innocent until guilty?

No, they’re not. They’re still people, and being a victim of a tragedy and a person who espouses harmful ideas are two separate things, even if they reside in the same person. They are just as capable of having lethally bad ideas as the rest of the population. They are still capable of being hypocrites. And their ideas are just as eligible for testing on the arena of ideas, not automatically segregated from it, nor are these ideas entitled to being given smacked with wifflebats of sympathy instead of swords of reason and scrutiny.

If pointing that out makes me bully, that is no worse than being an enabler who allows the spread of the idea by refusing to confront it simply because the person spreading that idea is put in a special class of social perception of Saint Victimhood. 

 

Pretty much that. I like to judge ideas on their merits and people by the content of their character and not whatever handy sex/race/class/victim box a Social Justice Warrior assigns them to.

So what was the horrible misogynistic thing that I did which was so terribly insulting and awful bad that it caused all these SFWA officer alumni to unite in my condemnation? I called Scalzi a “pussy”. So, the Word Police swooped in, declaring that this was the most hurtful misogynistic trigger outrage this week. (of course, these same people shower praise on, quote from, and give lifetime achievement awards to  sci-fi author, Samuel Delany, who praises pedophile organization NAMBLA, so their outrage meter may need some calibration)

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In this section I’d like to talk about “offensive” words in the context of being a writer. Now, personally I think trigger warnings are stupid, but apparently they’re like mandatory to the perpetually outraged crowd, so TRIGGER WARNING: I’m going to talk about body parts, there will be lots of profanity, it is going to get very crude, and I’ll probably hurt some feelings. Most people who aren’t total pussies will be fine.

Now as an author I find it curious when other authors are so quick to declare certain words off limits. Personally, I like words. I like many, diverse words. Words are tools in an author’s toolbox and we use them to create our work. And I really don’t like somebody else declaring which words are good and which words are bad.  Especially when the litmus test for determining acceptability is predicated entirely upon it hurting the feelings of the perpetually butt hurt (oh wait, butt hurt may be offensive to people who have actually experienced anus pain).

In this case, let’s talk about the word “pussy”. On one hand it is a slang term for female genitalia. On another it is a common insult usually related to cowardice. That was the manner I used it in. Or it can be a cat. The history of words is fascinating stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy

The Official Arbiter of Acceptable Speech

The Official Arbiter of Acceptable Speech

But the premise here (because they’ve been trying super hard for years now to find proof that I hate SOME GROUP) is that because a pussy is a female body part, calling a man a pussy as an insult is in fact not insulting to the man, but is rather an insult to all women because they have that body part.

Okay, interesting… Now totally disregard the history of the English language and how humans actually talk and interact in the world, the hypothesis is that Pussy, when used in the common vulgar way as an insult toward cowardly, effeminate, worm tongued, physically weak, beta males (like Scalzi or Hines for example) is really an insult to all women everywhere (and thus promotes “rape culture” but I’ll get back to that).

I can't imagine how our ancestors ever thought to come up with such a term...

I can’t imagine how our ancestors ever thought to come up with such a term…

Who uses this horrible word? So your football coaches? Hate all women. The military? Hate all women. Cops? Hate all women. Anybody who has ever had to train or motivate people doing something physically challenging? Hate all women. Most people at every blue collar job? Hate all women. Plumbers, electricians, roofers, truck drivers? Obviously hate all women. The women who use that word as an insult? Hate all women.

Got it? Okay. Let’s run with that. Using that body part as an insult is incredibly sexist. Sure, I grew up on a farm and my mom would tell her kids not to be pussies (usually when we were doing some form of awful backbreaking manual labor) but my mom must hate all women. The Word Police have spoken.

On a personal note, I don’t actually ever use that term for the female body part. Culturally, that wasn’t how I was raised, and even conversationally I can’t recall using that definition since probably high school. A cursory search of my thousands of posts, and my use of Pussy is always for spineless weaklings. Sadly, spineless weaklings takes up too many characters on Twitter.

But this word is now banned as offensive, but why this sainted body part only?

Scalzi kicked this whole thing off and said I was an Asshole. Like Pussy, Asshole has a few common, vulgar uses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asshole It can describe the anus, or it can be used to describe somebody who is crude, unpleasant, or detestable. I’m certain Scalzi and his tribe find me to be all of those things, and I’m not the one trying to enforce rigid group think, so I’m cool with it.

But wait, wouldn’t it be hypocritical to say that Pussy means all females are soft, yet Asshole doesn’t say all human beings who have anuses are unpleasant? Oh, but Pussy is a sainted word, because it represents the female sex organ… But hang on… this same crowd is always harping on ending default sexuality, and lots of people engage in anal sex.  Since I was repeatedly admonished that using the word Pussy as an insult promoted Rape Culture, once you include America’s prison population in the stats, anal rape is possibly more common that vaginal rape. As Mary told me, as a self-defense instructor I should know the stats, so by that standard, Asshole could be a trigger word for lots of people.

So we should definitely ban the word asshole too.

But wait… Hines has repeatedly called me a Dick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_(slang) This is another common term with dual meaning, where it could represent a penis, or it could represent someone who is rude, abrasive, or inconsiderate. Once again, since I am often abrasive, the word fits and I’m not the self-appointed guardian of English, so whatever, I’m cool.

Yet if calling someone a Pussy is an insult to all women, by the same exact token, isn’t calling somebody a Dick an insult to all men? Now a few people brought this up on Twitter yesterday and they were quickly dismissed, because Pussy indicates soft but Dick indicates hard (well, duh). But if the prerequisite for banning a word is somebody finding it offensive or hurtful, and somebody finds Dick to be a trigger word, we should ban Dick too. After all, dicks hurt people.

I posted the speech from Team America https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iCWzpDpKs (best social commentary movie ever) but Scalzi didn’t like that, because implying authors are pro-rape and maligning their fans without evidence is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Any body part that has more than one meaning could be offensive to somebody. Calling somebody a boob is insensitive to women. Talking about having balls to indicate courage? Offensive to those without testicles. The phrase nut up could be replaced with cowboy up, only cowboys were insensitive to Native Americans and PETA doesn’t like how they were mean to cows, so cowboy may possibly be offensive. Pecker-head? Holy shit.

The Guardian’s Village Idiot, Damien Walter showed up, demanding to know how many “bitches” I’d “bitch slapped” today. Of course, that is Damien’s idea of being clever, because obviously if Pussy is an indicator of misogyny, then obviously calling somebody a bitch is the same… Except Damien is like the definition of a whiny little bitch, and not that I want to pigeonhole him in his bold-queer-future-non-binary-gender world, I’m pretty sure he’s a dude.

Pinkman

In America, Bitch is even more common than Pussy, and is used for both sexes, because we’re all about equality.  I wouldn’t presume to tell Damien when to bollocks the bloody crumpets, or whatever the hell it is the British do.

Then I had about a bunch of FEMALE readers show up, call Damien a bitch and Scalzi a pussy. :)  If only Scalzi could mansplain to these poor women how they’re actually misogynists they’d get their poor befuddled girl brains in order.

We don’t have to limit it to just body parts though. Any word that could cause offense or be insensitive should go. True story, I had somebody complain once that they were so afraid of spiders that seeing the word Spider in print hurt them. Now, Word Cop Scalzi would immediately dismiss banning Spider as absurd, and it is, but why? It causes suffering in this person. How come one person’s outrage is more valuable than another person’s outrage?

Hell, if taking offense is the primary component of determining which words are good and which words are bad, I’d think that authors would be against the concept on principle. After all, you’ve got outraged types who want to ban books with naughty words, or sex, or violence, or too much religion, or not enough religion, or something. There’s always somebody offended by words. Give them an inch, and they’ll take a mile.

They’d have to weigh each offense carefully to see what is goodthink and what is badthink. That’s why I prefer being morally consistent and thinking all offenses which demand others conform to an arbitrary standard are equally bullshit, and I’m defiant like that. I know that our language is filled with colorful comparisons and odd definitions, which is what makes it awesome. But let’s be honest, the SJWs don’t actually weigh anything. If somebody they don’t like says anything that can possibly be construed as bad they pile on, and when somebody on their side literally rapes children their next blog post is about how women shouldn’t have guns.

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Here is the final comment from Jim Hine’s blog post before he locked it. I copied it because I think Andrew makes a very powerful point.

  1. Andrew
    JUN 18, 2014 @ 17:20:14

Hey Jim,

I’m a survivor.

I’m trying to think of a way to say this that isn’t going to either sound like I’m an MRA or that I’m trying to invalidate the good work you do with other survivors. But I really think the way this issue has become political and how I see you contributing to that is really… uh… not okay.

I think you’re probably a good dude. I can’t imagine you not being a good dude given the amount of work you do with survivors and the depressing toll I know that work takes. BUT (I know you were probably sensing a but, and I’m sorry to have to do this in a thread where you’re already taking a pummeling) I’m going to step on your toes a bit here.

I’m doing it because I think you’ll listen and because it needs to be said.

Okay, here goes:

Why are you focusing on Larry Correia?

I just don’t get this.

At all.

Why are you responding to a piece by a guy who thinks rape is wrong and just disagrees with you on the exact nature of the problem and the solution? I’m not saying those aren’t large gaps. I’m not saying I don’t think he’s wrong about rape culture. I’m not saying I don’t think he’s wrong about education (another survivor I know actually works in those groups with those people and says its effective and I trust him, although to be honest even giving offenders that much help makes my stomach turn).

But why is Larry Correia a target?

I don’t agree with a lot of what Larry has to say, but I’ll be honest and say I still like him. He reminds me of a couple of uncles I have and some friends I used to argue with at a couple construction jobs I had. He’s really loud and says some shit I don’t agree with but you also see him actually trying to help other writers and doing stuff for charity all the time.

So, I get that you guys have serious disagreements. I get that he’s called you names. You feel attacked and that makes sense that you’d want to focus on him.

BUT (and this is what’s bugging the shit out of me): The community just found out that Marion Zimmer Bradley was a child rapist. As in, she raped children. She put her hands on kids. I’ve just found out that the community knew she was a procurer and turned a blind eye to child-rape for decades on top of all of that. And no one talks about it.

No one in the community who usually talks about this stuff is talking about this.

I was five when I was victimized. That story hit me right in the guts. I figured I’d see everyone talking about it, trying to do some agony origami and figure out what to say about it that might bring some kind of useful awareness to the community. The silence has been deafening.

I get that Larry is loud and he says things that people don’t like. But maybe fandom needs a voice like that? Before you disagree, Larry’s website is the only place I’ve heard anything even WHISPERED about Samuel R. Delany. I can’t quite seem to figure out why that is.

Samuel R. Delany was just honored at the Nebulas and quoted in NK Jemisin’s speech (I agree with a lot of what she has to say, but I just don’t get how this isn’t at least being pointed out) and Samuel R. Delany outright without any kind of doubt or apology speaks up for NAMBLA.

NAMBLA is a group that advocates grown men raping young boys.

That’s so fucked up I don’t even have words for it.

Look at his Wikipedia page. If you can stand to do it, go to NAMBLA’s website. They quote him right goddamn there.

I’m not going to say that being a male survivor is harder than being a female survivor. But I will say that when you’re a male survivor not nearly many people are willing to talk about it. Giving a pass to a guy who supports NAMBLA is not okay. It’s not okay. Focusing on Larry Correia when that shit is not being talked about is not okay.

It is not okay.

I’m hoping you didn’t know. I’m hoping NK Jemisin and K Tempest Bradford and Mary Robinette Kowal don’t know. I saw everyone tweeting happily when he won his award. Because if you guys all know and aren’t saying anything about it and maybe even turning a blind eye because it’s really hard…

Well, I’d even kind of get that.

People talk a big game until that stuff is at their doorstep and then it becomes really easy to look away. We’re all human. No one’s invincible or infallible.

This is about the ugliest thing you can look at as a person.

But it’s still not okay.

I know none of you are under any obligation to condemn Samuel R Delany or Marion Zimmber Bradley. But when you’re going to start attacking people and you choose Larry Correia….

I just don’t get this.

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EDIT: Mary Robinette Kowal post this to the comments:

Larry, I am sorry for misreading the timeline.

I did acknowledge the possibility that my twitter client had the order flipped to the first of your followers, but realized that you hadn’t seen it nor had anyone else. So I posted a public apology today.

Let me say that again. I read the timeline wrong. I am sorry.

I have been struggling for the past two days trying to figure out how to apologize with sincerity, because I was still angry with you for other things in that thread. I did not want to appear to condone them by offering an apology that was too broad, nor did I want to offer an insincere apology that was too narrow.

I can’t offer a sincere apology for the disgusting and dangerous, because it was a previously held opinion and the entirety of that thread angered me. We have mutual friends and I have tried to refrain from comments for their sake.

But I am sincerely sorry that I chose to say something damaging out loud though. Calling you “disgusting” was deliberately hurtful and unnecessary.

I am sorry for that and for misreading the timeline.

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605 Comments on "Correia uses a bad word, and it is the Worst Thing Ever: SJW Outrage of the Week"


Guest
1 year 1 month ago

One of your commenters renamed the awards the NAMBuLAs. That needs legs.

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Practical Mike
1 year 1 month ago

Anybody up for a round of “caption this” utilizing the Scalzi pic in this post?

-NAMDLA (Just to keep it topical with Mad Mike’s post)
-Dog: “Larry nails it again. Smells like p_ssy to me.”
Anybody else hearing the theme from “Little House on the Prairie” too?
Fuzzy Nation!

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Kent
1 year 1 month ago

“Mary then told me I was disgusting and dangerous and needed to stay away from her.”

Sentiments Ms. Kowal, I solemnly guarantee one and all, never, ever, EVER expressed towards Marion Zimmer Bradley.

Guest
1 year 1 month ago

Of course. MZB was only dangerous if you were a child.

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dyingearth
1 year 1 month ago

She’s also dead, so children are now safe.

Guest
1 year 1 month ago

Until the dead rise as zombies.

But in her case, I’m kind of looking forward to that.

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Kent
1 year 1 month ago

… so long as they aren’t boy children, and Delany isn’t in the room.

Guest
1 year 1 month ago

Actually, from what I gathered, she also molested her son as well.

So she and Delany would have to throw down.

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Kent
1 year 1 month ago

A vicious, pervert-take-all slap fight between Samuel Delany and the rotting shambling corpse of Marion Zimmer Bradley.

They should put me on the WorldCon entertainment committee. They really, really should. ;)

Guest
1 year 1 month ago

Hell, I’d do everything in my power to make it to WorldCon if that Ultimate Death Match ever came about. :D

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Synova
1 year 1 month ago

I saw MZB at a convention once. She was sitting in the dealer room all alone. It was my first convention ever and I was shy and intimidated because she was famous and I didn’t dare just walk up and say hello, but for many many years I thought that I should have done because she looked so tired, so alone, and so lonely.

Now we hear this and I wonder…

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Spacebunny
1 year 1 month ago

I would say thanks for taking me along for the ride on Twitchy, but I don’t exist, so never mind. ;)

Guest
1 year 1 month ago

Yeah, apparently you’re really Vox Day.

As if Vox has any issues speaking for himself.

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Spacebunny
1 year 1 month ago

I have no idea what you are talking about. Vox is a very shy and retiring sort.

Guest
1 year 1 month ago

And now I’ve spit Coke Zero all over my laptop.

Greeeeeeeaaaaaattttt :D

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Expendable Henchman
1 year 1 month ago

Spacebunny, on June 20, 2014 at 6:20 am said:
I have no idea what you are talking about. Vox is a very shy and retiring sort.

Dear Spacebunny, my monitor and keyboard are now awash in Diet Mtn Dew.

Guest

I’ve decided to refrain from drinking anything while reading this thread or comments in this post. For the sake of monitor and keyboard.

Guest
1 year 1 month ago

OK, so that’s two.

Guest

She should be keeping score to see the effectiveness of the trap test. /GLaDOS

Guest
1 year 1 month ago

She’s up to three monitors for the day.

That’s a damn good score by anyone’s standard. :)

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Spacebunny
1 year 1 month ago

Sorry.

Guest

None of us apparently exist to them. We’re… what, bad dreams? A bad trip?

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Expendable Henchman
1 year 1 month ago

You’re data points that don’t fit the narrative.

Guest

Data points out that these blips in the narrative are quite disruptive to the fabric of their universe.

*smile*

Guest
1 year 1 month ago

It’s not hard to find out.; a quick Twitter search turns up the answer:

“They’re straight white men (and some token women like S[arah] H[oyt])”

Larry, are you sure you need this many tokens? ;-)

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dyingearth
1 year 1 month ago

Joel Salomon, on June 20, 2014 at 4:45 pm said:
It’s not hard to find out.; a quick Twitter search turns up the answer:
“They’re straight white men (and some token women like S[arah] H[oyt])”
Larry, are you sure you need this many tokens? ;-)

I can volunteer to be your Taiwanese immigrant reader. But I’ve learn long ago that I’m not the right kind of minority token. Hell in the University of California, I’m the wrong kind of minority.

Guest

None of us are the ‘right minority’ or gender if we’re not kowtowing to the Left party line.

(Filipino migrant to Australia here.)

Guest
1 year 1 month ago

Hell in the UC system you’re white… or at least a non-minority.

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… or at least a non-minority.

This is a correct application of ‘whatever the hell that means’ – It means whatever the hell they WANT the word to mean.

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Draven
1 year 1 month ago

yup, Asians get into college and do well, so the UC system doesn’t classify them as minorities anymore for admissions purposes.

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*flail and stomp foot* But what about MY affirmative action?!

Just kidding lmao. On a serious note, Asians totally destroy the meme of ‘poor colored folks need help in school’. Work ethics trump entitlement any day!

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Spacebunny
1 year 1 month ago

I really enjoy the implication that to the Left calling women “token women” is not misogynistic……….

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Eamon J. Cole
1 year 1 month ago

It makes my brain throb following their ever more sensitive scales of delicacy for the proper treatment of ‘empowered’ women — and then seeing the vitriol, disdain and unreasoning hatred they heap on women independent enough to ignore their approved consensus.

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Eamon, in order for them to seem like they’re winning, they have to artificially deflate our numbers. So, despite the fairly even distribution of gender representation, they have to call the women ‘token’. Or ‘token minority’ – hilarious, given that Larry and Hoyt aren’t white and have repeatedly noted that. Vox isn’t, either. I’m not, and so aren’t a few other folks. But because we specifically don’t fit their narrative or, hilariously, their concept of proper behavior for race or gender, we’re lumped into their lie of ‘outdated white men, and the more visible of us (Kate, Sarah, Cedar, off the top of my head) are relegated by them to ‘token.’

This is extremely hypocritical, given how they will go forth about the ‘restrictive, penalizing, traditional’ views about women; about how women should be ‘free to do or become anything’ … but in truth they’re the ones who will display the most misogynistic, racist, hateful behavior towards the ones who don’t fit their narrative.

Personal example: Recently Clamps said that I should be ‘put in my place’, which has rather sickening implications full stop, because I’m an Asian female who isn’t bowing to his Mighty Whiteyness, and I’m not, in his words, ‘spreading my legs’ for him, but ‘other men’ and this makes him angry.

Nonpersonal example: Witness the vile progs – both men and women- being totally okay with sexual denigration of Sarah Palin, regardless of whether or not you agree with her politics. Or any conservative or liberitarian politician or public person who isn’t white, or male. For example, Michelle Malkin, Condoleeza Rice. Malkin has endured insane levels of truly disgusting sexual threats and outright threats of violence (easily found online) because despite the fact that she’s female and an Asian migrant (Filipino), she doesn’t buy the Left’s narrative and takes it apart on a regular basis.

To them, we’re not women, or even people. We’re ‘out of line’ and therefore ‘acceptable targets’ for their hate, violence, and disgust.

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Eamon J. Cole
1 year 1 month ago

To them, we’re not women, or even people. We’re ‘out of line’ and therefore ‘acceptable targets’ for their hate, violence, and disgust.

Yep. This is losing them the culture war, but I don’t think they’re quite aware of it, as of yet.

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Yep.

Guest
1 year 1 month ago

Oh wow, Clamps? Sorry to hear that. The guy’s like an antibiotic-resistant STD.

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Yeah. The guy’s been stalking me since 2009; and will name drop me in various blogs; or twist my words. The usual vileprog practices. *shrug* There’s more but I’d rather not say here.

Guest
1 year 1 month ago

No worries, I think we all have a pretty good idea what a creepy bottomfeeder he is. Even his posts feel greasy to read.

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1 year 1 month ago

Not surprised. They love to accuse others of what they do themselves. Can set your watch by them.

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1 year 1 month ago

Seconded. The vile crap that gets tossed on Mia Love’s timeline, for example, is really sick.

Michelle Malkin puts a Hate Tweet of the Day in her daily newsletter for the lolz. They’re usually good for some disgusting lefty bigotry.

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Spacebunny
1 year 1 month ago

Deadcenter – to my knowledge Scalzi (or as I refer to him “The Chinless Wonder”) has never admitted he’s wrong about anything, especially where Vox is concerned. We did have a nice chuckle at Scalzi’s expense though. Vox had mentioned to me that Scalzi would quickly start posting pictures of dogs and whatnot very quickly, so I checked his feed and lo and behold, there they were! When he steps in it, as he so very often does, his MO is to pretend it didn’t happen. His methods of doing so very much resemble most toddlers I know.

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deadcenter
1 year 1 month ago

SB: he likes his echo chamber to be nice and cozy. After reading Old Mans War, which I liked, I found his blog, which I didn’t after seeing him apply his brand of censorship not just to rude behavior but to any behavior that disagreed with him. In the words of Lucky Jack Aubrey, I’m more “prickly and hard to eradicate”, and found MHN much more to my liking.

And you’re right, he’s definitely showing himself to be much more childish than I expect an adult to be.

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FAL Phil
1 year 1 month ago

…but I don’t exist, so never mind.

I just sprayed coffee all over my laptop laughing at that!

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Eben
1 year 1 month ago

Your posts are always great reads.

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Wes S.
1 year 1 month ago

The ridiculous thing is that all this started over the silly notion that instead of training women to defend themelves, we need to train all men not to rape. Even the non-rapey ones. It;’s possible that Scalzi might need such training, but most of us have sufficient self-control and decency that rape won’t be a issue for our wimminfolk. Or any other wimminfolk we might encounter.

The other thing is that the people doing all the pearl-clutching over “pussy” don’t have a problem running around dressed as vaginas:

http://twitchy.com/2014/06/18/thats-a-really-grumpy-looking-uterus-its-the-uterus-of-justice/

Or with despicable feminists hosting “Slut walks” and “Cuntfests.” (And if you’re looking for a word to throw a fit over, I’d say the “C” word would be it.)

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1 year 1 month ago

Teaching people not to rape is about as useful as teaching people to breathe. Everybody knows rape is wrong; some people do it anyway.

There has been a “rape epidemic” in the military that leadership is scrambling to fix. For years they have been trying to address the problem and sexual assault keeps happening. I’m going to go out on a limb and say their approach is all wrong. What could possibly be failing so miserably, you ask. Exactly what the pearl clutching pussies are advocating. I can’t tell you how many times the air force has changed the acronym for sexual assault training that basically consists of telling us what we already know: sexual assault of any kind is bad. Instead of laying the hammer down on those committing the crimes, the rest of us are subjected to new training everytime a colonel puts his hand on some E-2’s ass.

Teaching people not to rape is bullshit, because everybody and their damn dog knows it’s wrong already. The only response you are going to get by subjecting good people to training telling them not to do something they weren’t going to do in the first place is rage. I know this because every time I have to go to SARC or SAPR or whatever the hell it’s called now training to want to punch somebody. Preferably the asshelmet that diddled the private, causing me to have to sit through yet another briefing telling me rape is bad.

And before Scalzi decides I’m just another misogynistic asshole, I’m female. So instead of calling me names he’ll know to just tell me I don’t exist (which isn’t misogynistic AT ALL /sarc).

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1 year 1 month ago

USAF, 23.6 years and counting here. Every time we do some of that training, I ask why we don’t also include advice/training on scream/kick/punch/claw/stab/club/shoot the vile fuckwad attacker until s/he is unable to continue an attack.

I have never received a coherent or direct answer.

But I’m pretty sure this E-7 isn’t going to make E-8. Even if I wanted to.

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Kit
1 year 1 month ago

Army Civilian here that recently took SHARP training. The old joke that training makes you better at something (like how to sexually harass someone) got a lot less funny when the latest training actually walked you through how a rapist would go about picking, isolating, and assaulting someone. Good to know the tactics of the enemy, but seriously uncomfortable to sit through.

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1 year 1 month ago

Pavepusher:
We can’t have military folks engaging in violence! What would the pearl clutchers think?

Kit:
Our SNCOs and officers recently had to attend a new version of SAPR and the running joke is now that they’re being taught how to sexually assault someone without getting caught.

Before the most recent sexual assault that caused the acronym to change again, the males who attended one session of the training came back with a hilariously ridiculous tale of the room full of guys being asked to separate themselves based on who thought it was ok to refer to a woman as a bitch and who thought it wasn’t, complete with explanations as to why they thought so.

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1 year 1 month ago

No, not everybody knows it’s wrong. Whole swaths of World Culture treat rapes as a man’s right. Islam, for example. If you think they KNOW it’s wrong and do it anyway, you have seriously underestimated how fucked up their culture is.

The idea that women should have control over their own bodies is spread mostly by the (originally) Christian West. It is resisted by all those “authentic” native cultures that the SJWs love so goddamned much.

But the SJWs would MUCH rather talk about the small problem of Western society than about issues like child-brides, honor killings, female circumcision and other such charming practices.

Because if they actually looked at the real world as it is, they might have to give up their precious moral superiority complexes. And that’s the only think that makes them go. Take it out and they would deflate like a punctured balloon.

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1 year 1 month ago

Having actually lived in the M.E., I know how screwed up Islam is. Maybe I should say everybody in western society knows it’s wrong. Even the Muslims who live amongst western society – even if they don’t necessarily agree – are aware at the very least that it is a crime. And anyway, when it comes to the SJWs, if they think something is wrong, you can guarantee that they have white, heterosexual males in mind as the cause. I thought that was just automatically implied. Because they certainly aren’t advocating that Mohammed go through this training. Just Bob, Steve, and Henry. Because only Bob, Steve, and Henry can ever be blamed for anything; they are probably also responsible for the women in the M.E. who are raped (as well as the small boys) because you can’t blame a brown person.

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Henry
1 year 1 month ago

Aw, crap, maniakmedic, you’ve blown my cover as one of the Super Secret Triumvirate Of Evil And By Evil We Mean All Evil Ever In The Entire History Of The World! The title is a tad unwieldy, but when you’ve been responsible for everything evil for at least ten millennia, you’re just not interested in making it easier for mere mortals to remember our title. A storm knocked out Bob’s and Steve’s internet connections, otherwise they’d be here to chastise you, too.

Did anyone notice how I subtly added to the sum of all evil by telling a woman she’d “blown” something? That’s straight out of Evil 101.

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1 year 1 month ago

Consider yourself thoroughly and utterly denounced!

Also, I should have included Larry, clearly, because he is the Lord of All Hatemongery.

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1 year 1 month ago

Powerful.

And as for banning words, everyone remember that this is the genre that brought us Farenheit 451.

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1 year 1 month ago

Cognitive dissonance is a way of life for some people.

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1 year 1 month ago

Hell, it’s a one-upmanship contest, by all appearances….

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1 year 1 month ago

Fahrenheit 451 is a right wing lie. No such book ever existed.

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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 1 month ago

Whereas Fahrenhet 9/11 is a left wing lie. ;-)

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1 year 1 month ago

And 1984.

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junior
1 year 1 month ago

Remember that the authors of Ray Bradbury’s generation – on *both* sides of the political aisle – recently wrote a letter to the SWFA telling them that censorship was wrong.

And the response was that the authors were all right-wing nut-jobs.

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Narf the Mouse
1 year 1 month ago

Of course they are.

They’re well-read, well-informed, intelligent individuals who come to their own conclusions.

See? Right-wing nut-jobs.

At least, if your idea of “Left” is somewhere past the bleachers.

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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 1 month ago

And anti-woman, and anti-gay, even the ones who were women. And gay.

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Wes S.
1 year 1 month ago

Regarding the MZB and Samuel Delany kiddy-fiddling revelations…well, I suppose that’s why it’s easier to throw a tantrum over Correia deservedly calling someone a “pussy.”

Can’t really expect SFWA to admit they continue to shower awards and recognition on the truly despicable, simply because they tick all the boxes on the trendy kumbaya checklist of the moment, now can you?

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Joe in PNG
1 year 1 month ago

They have become the old joke about the guy who lost his keys in the dark alley, but preferred to search by the lamppost because the light was better.

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Kent
1 year 1 month ago

“Regarding the MZB and Samuel Delany kiddy-fiddling revelations…”

Don’t forget Arthur C. Clarke; it’s SF’s own Holy Trinity of Kiddy-Diddlers.

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Peter O
1 year 1 month ago

Wait, what? Clarke?

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1 year 1 month ago

Word has it that it was an open secret in Sri Lanka or where ever it was he moved to. I don’t know how much evidence there is for it, other than rumor, however.

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BobtheRegisterredFool
1 year 1 month ago

I’m wondering if it is known if Delany backed his words with actions. Because if it is only reading, funding, and voicing support of NAMBLA, it would seem to fall short of MZB.

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Lemming
1 year 1 month ago

Note that the Clarke accusation was found to be without basis.

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Peter O
1 year 1 month ago

Bob, yea it is short of MZB, but when you’re always going on about “ending rape culture” and you’re also singing praises to a guy who praises NAMBLA…

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Kent
1 year 1 month ago

RE: “Note that the Carke accusation was found to be without basis.”

“[Clarke then] repeated a phrase often used by paedophiles: ‘I think most of the damage comes from the fuss made by hysterical parents afterwards. If the kids don’t mind, fair enough […] Because pure and simply, [13-year-old-boys] looked reasonably mature. Mature enough for me.'”

Google “Prince Charles, Arthur C Clarke and the paedophile connection.” Read the whole thing… if you can stomach it.

“Without basis,” my ass.

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1 year 1 month ago

Clarke was cleared of all charges – see here

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Robin Munn
1 year 1 month ago

@Chris Gerrib –

I posted this once with a link, but it got swallowed up, so here it is without a link.

It would be more accurate to say that no charges were brought against him, than to say that he was cleared of all charges. The article linked acknowledges that there were rumors, but the police can’t act on the basis of rumors (quite rightly), and nobody ever came forward and said “Clarke molested me,” so no charges were ever brought.

Which leaves the whole thing at the level of rumor and hearsay, as far as police accusations are concerned. However, see the article that Kent mentioned (link not provided since WordPress doesn’t like it, but Google the phrase Kent mentioned and you’ll find it) and read Clarke’s own words, which damn him utterly. After reading the official police statement, there could be a question about whether Clarke was a sexual predator who preyed on young teens. After reading his own words in that article, there can be no question but that he was guilty, guilty, guilty. Since I can’t link the article, I’m going to quote the most damning parts of it.

Trigger warning: remove all triggers from your immediate surroundings, unless you want to find bullet holes in your monitor. The following may cause the Red Curtain of Blood to descend, and may cause you to go look for Clarke’s grave so you can dig him up and desecrate his corpse.

These days the frail, white-haired old man gets around with the aid of a wheelchair and crutches following a polio attack 15 years ago.

But Clarke’s fading health does not stop him enjoying his favourite pastime – playing table tennis with schoolboys at a notorious pick-up haunt for perverts called the Otters Aquatic Club.

Crumbling and in need of a coat of paint, the Otters is a meeting point for Westerners who lust after young boys.

Those who hang around its games room, pool and tennis courts are perfect prey and are easily persuaded to sell themselves for 1,000 rupees (pounds 10) – a small fortune to them.

Clarke goes there regularly in the afternoon, hobbling on a walking stick, to challenge boys – some as young as 12 – to a game of ping pong.

Asked what his definition for paedophilia was Clarke said:

“There are two different definitions, anyone who interferes with young boys who are not old enough to know their own minds and that’s my definition. It varies for me.”

Asked how he knew whether the boys really did know their own minds as he had not known them for long, he said:

“Because pure and simply they looked reasonably mature. Mature enough for me.”

Told one of them was just 13, he said: “If he really was 13 he will be a very mature 13.”

Asked if he thought that was morally wrong he replied: “No.”

Told that some of the boys had told us they would not have had sex if he had not given them money he said: “I’m sure. But I didn’t make anyone do anything they didn’t enjoy doing.”

Like I said, utterly damning. And I apologize for causing the RCOB in just about every decent person who just read that, but there was no better way to refute the “no charges were brought” statement than to quote the man’s own evil words.

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Robin Munn
1 year 1 month ago

I meant the “cleared of all charges” statement. Saying “no charges were brought” (as I did say) is true, but would be misleading if it wasn’t accompanied by the evidence of the man’s own words. The reason no charges were brought is because none of his victims dared accuse him.

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Narf the Mouse
1 year 1 month ago

…I’ve seen a lot of people claim a lot of things on the internet. Is this real?

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Robin Munn
1 year 1 month ago

@Narf the Mouse –

If by “Is this real?” you’re referring to the large blockquote I posted, I’m afraid it is. WordPress won’t let me link to it because the article URL contains the word “paedophile”, and that’s apparently on WordPress’s list of censored URL words — so if I posted a link to the article, WordPress would dump my comment straight into the trash bin.

However, you can Google the phrase “Prince Charles, Arthur C Clarke and the paedophile connection” for yourself to find the article I’m quoting, which was posted in April 2013. It appears to be a repost of an article in the Sunday Mirror, a London tabloid. There is apparently some question about the authenticity of the damning quotes that I re-quoted, a fact I was not aware of when I posted my previous comment. The Sunday Mirror claims that it sent a copy of the interview tape to the authorities, but the authorities say they never received a copy — so at the moment, the only source for the allegations I just mentioned is a London tabloid. That doesn’t mean they’re necessarily false — the only source for several months on John Edwards’ affair with Rielle Hunter was an American tabloid, but the story was true — but it also means that the article I quoted should be taken with a grain of salt.

So here are the known facts:

1) There are many rumors claiming that Clarke was a paedophile (e.g., parents in the area of Sri Lanka where he lived allegedly told each other “keep your boys away from the Clarke compound.”).

2) A London tabloid published an article with an interview with Clarke. The interview, if real, was utterly damning.

3) The tabloid claims to have evidence of the interview, but that evidence has never surfaced.

So this could be an unsubstantiated rumor (in which case Clarke denied it because it was false), or it could be true (in which case Clarke denied it because he wanted to stay out of jail). As it stands, I can’t prove it one way or the other.

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1 year 1 month ago

Frak, I had no idea. I’m sick that I bought many of his books and put money in his pocket.

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Narf the Mouse
1 year 1 month ago

Alright; if that gets verified, some books are getting disposed of.

However, in the absence of verified evidence, then Clark must be presumed innocent.

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1 year 1 month ago

You can do whatever sexually depraved things you want with kids and SFWA is really not worried about it.

Call someone who has attacked you repeatedly a “half-savage”, and you’re gone.

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1 year 1 month ago

Make sure you’ve got a few books and a deck of cards, because you might have to wait a while.

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dyingearth
1 year 1 month ago

I got called a “subhuman” yesterday by someone who’d never even heard of me before. But scratch a prog and they bleed eugenics. I’ll be waiting for SFWA to rush to my defense. Larry, you’re not a paid member of SFWA. Not that being a paid member help Vox Day any.

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1 year 1 month ago

Nope.

All that badthink Vox has.

It’s funny though. I don’t even like Vox, based on his internet persona, but I find myself sympathizing with him more than I ever could with N.K. Jemisin.

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1 year 1 month ago

Nazis never change.

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1 year 1 month ago

Would you care to elaborate? Because that can kind of be read like you’re calling me a Nazi.

Which wouldn’t be the first time this week, but…

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dyingearth
1 year 1 month ago

re: T.L.Knighton
[quote]Would you care to elaborate? Because that can kind of be read like you’re calling me a Nazi.
Which wouldn’t be the first time this week, but…[/quote]

And we have our Godwin for the thread.

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1 year 1 month ago

Well, it is always nice to get it out of the way early.

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Joe in PNG
1 year 1 month ago

Knowing Kristopher, he’s referring to the SFWA, and the current belief in white blood guilt, ect.

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1 year 1 month ago

That’s what I’m figuring too.

But it’s been one of those weeks. While I’m done being nice to these turdnuggets, I know Kristopher usually doesn’t fly that way, so to speak, which is why I asked him rather calmly.

If I didn’t know him, I’d probably fly off the handle like I did in an earlier thread. :)

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Joe in PNG
1 year 1 month ago

This stacking comment system can be… interesting at times.

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dyingearth
1 year 1 month ago

SJW Logic 102: How to react to bad words used in argument. The most important thing is to determine what the though affiliation of both party held. If SJW calling a non-SJW member bad word, then it’s A-OK as it’s just the truth. If a non-SJW using a bad word to describe SJW, then it’s Holy Inquisition time baby. It matters not what the bad word in question is.

If SJW is calling out an SJW using bad word, one of them will be excommunicated depending on which one of them are higher on the totem pole.

non-SJW calling out non-SJW is just spectator sport, and an demonstration of how bigoted non-SJWers are.

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1 year 1 month ago

Maybe the thing to do is start pointing out that, because of the phallic nature of the word “dick” that some lefties love so much, using “dick” is not only supportive of teh patriarchy, but also homophobic since it’s a man deriding a man for being a penis.

Just a thought.

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1 year 1 month ago

As far as I’m concerned, every single one of these Pink SF/F authors is a child rape apologist. And don’t ever consider them anything different until they formally denounce both Samuel R Delany and Marion Zimmber Bradley.

Maybe you should have called Scalzi a child rapist instead. He might have not made a big stink about it because he obviously doesn’t consider it an insult.

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1 year 1 month ago

As far as I’m concerned, every single one of these Pink SF/F authors is a child rape apologist. And don’t ever consider them anything different until they formally denounce both Samuel R Delany and Marion Zimmber Bradley.

That needs repeating because of the truth of it.

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This exactly right there. + a billion thumbs up.

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rocinante2
1 year 1 month ago

They’re not going to denounce Delany and MZB (at least not in any full-throated way, and certainly not in the middle of a donnybrook like this).

They’re human (or have human-like characteristics), and it takes a big, confident, secure human to admit he/she is wrong. I’m big, confident, and secure – and I *hate* it :-)

They see themselves as oppressed, victimized, disempowered, marginalized, etc., etc. Their belief in their own rightness and rectitude is a major source of comfort. Numbers and agreement are a major source of safety to them. (Weird for a bunch who claim to be highly-individualistic weirdos, but there you have it.)

Who among them will give up the comfort of rightness and the safety of the herd to admit error?

For extra credit, it requires even more bigheartedness/confidence/security to admit error to a perceived *enemy*.

In their world, responsibility and accountability are highly, highly variable based on perceived victim status and membership in oppressed/marginalized groups. (Call it “affirmative action in all things”.)

Given that MZB and Delany each represent at least *two* victim classes (possibly more) and are regarded as visionary/pioneering artists, their behavior and actions will be judged less harshly than any “ordinary”, non-victim, non-oppressed person.

Here’s the really fun part: They’ll stick up for Bradley and Delany on the basis of their work, but it’s hard for them to say (out loud, at least, and in front of “enemies”) that Bradley and Delany are to be held less accountable for their crimes because of their victim status. That would be too much like saying they aren’t as tough/responsible/adult/etc. as everybody else; i.e., not equal.

BTW, I don’t agree with any of the above, it’s just my understanding of the mental and social processes at work here.

That said, I think it would be useful and illuminating to spend time thinking about *why* they won’t do the right thing, instead of just piling on about their (obvious) hypocrisy.

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Lea
1 year 1 month ago

“I know none of you are under any obligation to condemn Samuel R Delany or Marion Zimmber Bradley. But when you’re going to start attacking people and you choose Larry Correia….”

Damn straight. It’s making the wrong people the ‘enemy’. The enemy is not Larry or Miss Nevada. The enemy is not the person who disagrees with you politically. The enemy is not George Will, much as I wish he would stop yammering on about baseball.

This framing of the ‘other’ side of the political aisle as the bad guys while ignoring the real and terrible evil’s out there is a terrible and poisonous thing for our society. It’s unserious and it gives a pass to the bad guys to focus on the mostly good guys who you have basically tiny disagreements with in the larger scheme of things.

When you get down to it, politically most of us are really just trying to figure out ways to fix the problems, but disagree on tactics. (a few of us disagree on what the problem actually is)

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Julaire
1 year 1 month ago

Your comments reminded me of this quote from Babylon 5.

“Every day, here and at home, we are warned about the enemy. But who is the enemy? Is it the alien? Well, we are all alien to one another. Is it the one who believes differently than we do? No, not at all, my friends. The enemy is fear. The enemy is ignorance. The enemy is the one who tells you that you must hate that which is different. Because, in the end, that hate will turn on you. And that same hate will destroy you.”

Seems like the SJW crowd are ‘the one who tells you that you must hate that which is different’.

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No, the SJW crowd tells you to hate what is normal. Look up oikophobia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikophobia#Scruton.27s_usage

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1 year 1 month ago

I agreed with your post on the bs pushback that Miss Nevada got. I think JH was talking past your post more than he was actually responding to it. (And I think that he was correct in pointing out that we should be addressing the factors that support rapists as well as defending against individual attacks. I also don’t think JH would agree with me as to what the social factors were that encouraged rapists to think they could get away with it.) And I agree that Salzi was over the line in both blasting your blog title without reading the whole thing *and* by calling you an asshole.

And yes, MZB/SD/whoever else is being currently covered up for (because I’m sure there are some) is a huge issue that needs attention.

But still, what are you, 12? No need to call Scalzi a pussy. It gave him an opening that you totally didn’t need to give him. So it made Twitchy. Wonderbar. The mayfly-brained crowd sees it and cheers. Yah.

Any chance that someone could take the high road about this? So maybe instead of name calling we-as-a-SFF community can address stuff like MZB/SD/whoever else is out there?

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trev006
1 year 1 month ago

Necessary? No. Accurate? Why, yes. We’re not in grade school and you’re not our mom, so you can stop auditioning for the Word Police, which do not actually exist. If you really agree with all the things that smarter people have said, please ask Scalzi and his fellow freakshows to at least stop taking the low road. Protip: lionizing a child raper is so low I’m pretty sure you can see the river Styx from it.

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1 year 1 month ago

“no we’re not 12 but we’ll act like it if we wanna”
“you’re not the boss of me”
“you’re stupid!”

…are you done? Got it out of your system? Feel better?

Good. Now, if one actually wants people to listen to suggestions/requests/ect, here’s a protip for you – don’t call them names.

I think it’s highly likely that whatever childrapers currently running about in SFF are more likely to be among the ‘tolerant’ crowd than on this side of the road. But I don’t dismiss the possibility that there are some over here, as well, that have not been discovered yet. And when those come to light, there are going to be some of us who said postive things about those writers.

It might behove us to mind how we talk about other folks, least it come back and bite us hard.

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1 year 1 month ago

Do you really think Scalzi was interested in listening to Larry, or any of us? He wasn’t. He showed up on Twitter with an axe to grind.

And yes, our side may well have our own MZB’s and Delany’s. The difference is, if we find them, we’ll denounce them very, very loudly. Hines’s only reference was so vague that if one didn’t know about the MZB allegations, you wouldn’t have had a clue what he was talking about.

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trev006
1 year 1 month ago

“…are you done? Got it out of your system? Feel better?”

I’m great at being respectful to people who I’m interested in engaging: but merely implying that you’re a sanctimonious prick whose opinion I don’t care about was being too subtle. Again you’re straining at gnats, and in doing so you’re being a fantastic example of the mindset that leads the Scalzi types into Twitterstorms over words. Which is exactly what I wanted clarified, in a simple (coarse) way.

TLK: you’ve more or less got it in one. I’m not upset that people have liked MZB in the past- though I’m certain quite a few were aware of what she and her husband were doing- but I’m very upset that they’re still praising her despite the number of lives she’s ruined. And many, including personalities at Tor.com, know better- they simply don’t care. For perspective, when you read this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099498/Mimi-Alford-The-day-JFK-took-virginity-wifes-White-House-bed.html

You realize that some people are ready to excuse ANYTHING, as long as the guilty party is famous or skilled enough. Of course, I can understand why Larry scares people like that: I don’t think they want a world in which rapers, no matter their status, get their heads blown off.

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1 year 1 month ago

Protip: lionizing a child raper is so low I’m pretty sure you can see the river Styx from it.
Yeah, if you look up.

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1 year 1 month ago

‘Yeah, if you look up.’

‘It is not always wrong even to go, like Dante, to the brink of the lowest promontory and look down at hell. It is when you look up at hell that a serious miscalculation has probably been made.’—G. K. Chesterton

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1 year 1 month ago

In arguments like this, taking the high road (as some have done in the past) has only given the opponent the nerve and idea that they were winning, and push harder.

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1 year 1 month ago

Could be. My experience has been different, but could be.

In my case, I’m not caving no matter how hard they push. So better to win over the undecideds rather than chortle about how clever I am at name calling.

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Joe in PNG
1 year 1 month ago

You don’t go to Thai House for spaghetti, and you don’t come to Larry’s for understated, subtle and nuanced commentary.

Larry doesn’t do rapier wit, he’s more of the tetseubo type.

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It’s insisting to take the high road when the opponent / person espousing the horrible idea has essentially told you to shut up or you’re a bad person/racist/(whateverist) that’s a tactic that actively works especially if the person in question pretty much says “I’m a rape victim/victim of (blank), shut up don’t question me or you’re questioning my rape, / tragedy you misogynistic piece of shit hater!!!!”

They’ll call me a bitch, a minion, a ‘Populi’, a bullying, rape-victim-blaming, rape denying slave of the patriarchy… whatever. They can bleat and shriek it from the slime pits in which they congregate, but in the end, they approve of rapists like Samuel Delany and MZB and screech at the people who are actually doing something about it like Larry. So if they think I’m evil, I must be doing something right.

I would never hurt a child like that… and the fact that they’re okay with overlooking such abuse is something I cannot condone or forgive.

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1 year 1 month ago

There is no “like” or “+1″ for this but… yeah. Exactly this. This is how they play, this is how they fight, and then they bitch and moan when we fight back.

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How dare we fight back against the people fighting on the side of the ‘angels’? We must thereefore be evil and thus destroyed.

If they are fighting on the side of the ‘angels’ I think they’re missing ‘fallen’ as an adjective there.

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jabrwok
1 year 1 month ago

“Oh sh*t! It’s Franks!”

Sorry, couldn’t resist:-).

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XD Don’t apologize for that!

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1 year 1 month ago

As far as I know, there is no evidence that Samuel Delaney ever had sex with under-aged boys. He may have written approvingly of NAMBLA, but that does not mean he’s a “child rapist”; just a creep. While all child molesters are creeps, not all creeps are child molesters.

If I am wrong about this, I will happily accept evidence to the contrary.

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Peter O
1 year 1 month ago

Carl, but when you’re railing against “Rape Culture” and don’t speak against him, and in fact praise him…
You’re not serious about rape, you’re using rape as a rhetorical cudgel.

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Fail Burton
1 year 1 month ago

Yeah, here’s my high road: intersectional QUILTBAG feminism in SFF is a hate-group. They easily fit the Southern Poverty Law Center’s definition of attacking groups based on their immutable characteristics, in this case ethnic European, male and heterosexual.

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1 year 1 month ago

And good luck Fail, getting any of them to agree with you, even when you’re right. Are you interested in having people cheer at your quips, or in undermining the support that the frothing hysterics have, so that no one pays them any heed?

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dyingearth
1 year 1 month ago

re: keranih Fail Burton doesn’t have to do much. The SJW’s own word is so much more powerful.

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Fail Burton
1 year 1 month ago

Frankly I don’t care what racist and sexist bigots think – about anything.

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1 year 1 month ago

Have you ever been on a construction site? Worse things than pussy are uttered between the men there. Joking around, I’ve called co-workers worse things. No 12 year old males working there.

“The mayfly-brained crowd sees it and cheers. Yah.”

Is this an insult aimed towards everyone who agrees that Scalzi is a pussy?

“No need to call Scalzi a pussy. It gave him an opening that you totally didn’t need to give him. ”

What opening? It was like watching a heavyweight(Larry) fighting a featherweight(Scalzi.) Scalzi never stood a chance.

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1 year 1 month ago

Oh, yes, I’ve been on construction sites, and places where the language is worse, and I’ve used it myself.

Doesn’t change that that language is not optimal for engaging people on a serious level. Joking with buds is not what LC and JS were doing.

And if LC was winning by that much, resorting to name calling is even worse.

Was this an insult aimed at everyone who agrees that Scalzi is a pussy?

No, it was aimed at the short-attention span crowd who likes fights and fireworks and will move on to the next fight and firework display with no more sense of dedication to the issue at hand than a sketter has to the pisspot that it laid its larve in.

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1 year 1 month ago

“Doesn’t change that that language is not optimal for engaging people on a serious level. Joking with buds is not what LC and JS were doing.
And if LC was winning by that much, resorting to name calling is even worse.”

Why isn’t that language optional?

Words are meant to convey something. Twitter only lets a person use 140 characters. Pussy is easier to convey what Scalzi is than multiple words that could be used to describe him.

Why should anyone police their language so as to not offend the special snowflakes and delicate flowers out there?

If you are offended or don’t like it, simply stop paying attention.

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1 year 1 month ago

What in the world makes you think that Larry was “seriously engaging” Scalzi? More like pointing and laughing.

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Synova
1 year 1 month ago

I’ve no doubt at all that everyone on the planet who is *inclined* to view using the word “pussy” as a terrible crime, something akin to the misogyny of the word “hysteric”, etc., thought that Scalzi was the one laying the beat down. Thus… “opening” I suppose.

Anyone with sense, who *might* have thought… “pussy” is grade school taunting and below you… also got to see the oh so serious accusations that this word is proof of misogyny.

Sort of like naming hurricanes after women… or using the word “miss”… or a father figure seeking to “control the sexuality of a young woman” by giving her cautionary advice about men… in fiction set in 1930s…

Which means that Larry gave Scalzi an opening to expose just how stooopid the “rules” are that Scalzi insists upon.

Pussy, dick, asshole, boob… and women dancing around in flaming pink vagina costumes demanding they be taken seriously.

But you see… the strong words of admiration (in case you never noticed) are the reproductive ones… like balls. The women’s power word is her womb… able to create life itself. But that would *really* screw up the “omg someone said pussy” sorts, don’t ya know.

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Andrew
1 year 1 month ago

I see no reason to treat a fundamentally stupid argument with any dignity. Further, derision is the appropriate response to someone who insults a person who takes upon themselves the responsibility for the protection of their own life. Finally, while you may feel it is appropriate to police your speech to appeal to the sort of people that are going to be persuaded more by the use of a vulgar word than concrete actions, but I do not.

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1 year 1 month ago

I’m sorry, what concrete actions are we talking about here? All I saw was LC & JS exchanging a lot of words.

derision is the appropriate response to someone who insults a person who takes upon themselves the responsibility for the protection of their own life

So, how is that working out for you, in getting people to agree with you? Or do you mock them until they go away, and figure that once out of sight, out of mind?

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1 year 1 month ago

“So, how is that working out for you, in getting people to agree with you? Or do you mock them until they go away, and figure that once out of sight, out of mind?”

Scalzi will never agree with Larry. Never. The universe will suffer heat death before Scalzi agrees with Larry. By agreeing with Larry, Scalzi’s whole universe would be turned upside down, as would all the SJWs in the world.

So yes, mocking and deriding them is the proper response to idiots like Scalzi.

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Andrew
1 year 1 month ago

The words: LC says “pussy”, which Scalzi says is anti-woman.

The deeds: LC advocates and has worked to directly physically empower women.

I suppose you could argue that LC likes people having guns more than he hates women, but women still win in that equation.

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ratseal
1 year 1 month ago

Just checked. Nope. Didn’t see you word policing Hines for his use of the work ‘dick’.

Hmm.

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1 year 1 month ago

I take it Kerani is perfectly fine with Jim Hines using alienating language. As Larry has said, Twitter fighting is a spectator sport: you want the opposition to show themselves as pusillanimous name-callers before the crowd.

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1 year 1 month ago

Hmmm. First off, it’s “tone policing”, get it right. Secondly, yeap, missed that, my bad. Alas, JH had long since shut down his comments before I got around to reading his post.

Please don’t assume I am good with the other side being annoying insulting fools. I am, however, far less concerned with their reputation, and as Salomon says, letting them be what they are only hurts their side.

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Book
1 year 1 month ago

^^I am sure that everyone at SFWA was jumping all over each other to condemn this sort of behavior.

Not that I’m equating calling someone someone a pussy – it’s a pretty mild epithet- to calling a woman a cunt. Maybe it’s the southern in me, but I’m just not a fan of certain terms being used. I don’t know why. The only people I’d ever censor would be my children or houseguests because I do expect respect, but for some reason there are some terms that I find worse than others. I know that’s arbitrary and subject to change. (have you noticed that “fuck” has become the new “shit”?) But there you are.

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1 year 1 month ago

“talking past”? Heck, he was building Strawmen at an industrial rate.

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Patrick Chester
1 year 1 month ago

I tend to call it Genocide in Strawmania.

Many Strawmen died to bring us this talking point…

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Luke
1 year 1 month ago

Anyone who gets the vapors at seeing someone called a pussy, is, in fact, a pussy.

Scalzi was being a pussy.
Pointing that out, is a public service.

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monkeyfan
1 year 1 month ago

Amen

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1 year 1 month ago

Seriously? Scalzi IS a pussy. He acts like some whiny little girl when he’s in fact a full-grown man. That’s a dictionary definition of being a pussy.

Incidentally, this here is the high road. You want to see the low road, just check out that Scalzi twitter feed for death wishes and some pretty repulsive s3x-related name calling.

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1 year 1 month ago

So I guess you won’t be on Writing Excuses anymore, that’s to bad.

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Desert Rat
1 year 1 month ago

I had no idea that Mary Robinette Kowal, the Yoko Ono of Writing Excuses, was a SJW. Everything begins to make perfect sense now. God, I haven’t been able to listen to Writing Excuses for a long time now because of her. She’s so fucking boring, and the podcast just isn’t much fun anymore. Now we know why, because we’ve got Affirmative Action Girl there to be the wet blanket on everyone’s fun.

Howard, Dan, and Brandon must have been getting crap from the feministas about being a boys’ club, so they chose an appropriate agent from the Approved Social Justice Warrior List to appease them. What a shame.

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dgarsys
1 year 1 month ago

Count me in as one who used to rabidly follow the podcast, and now am among the “how long has it been?” crowd. Also the “and it started happening before I knew of MRK in any other context.”

In all fairness, she seems to have some knowledge, but the show format is 15 minutes. Adding her in seems to have made the show shallower as four people try to get their insights in rather than three, and so depth seems to have suffered. I don’t believe she’s added something sufficiently different, insightful, or unique to make up for cramming a fourth person into the discussion. I stopped learning from it. It went from “everybody interested in writing MUST listen to this” to “not worth 15 minutes of my time”.

I also feel like the common touchstones of SF are not represented enough anymore. Several topics had come up where there were utterly classic pieces of SF work by major players that would have been perfect examples, and other, unknown to me, authors or stories were mentioned. One such example being a Pournelle work, it later clicked when I discovered she considered Pournelle (I didn’t say it was the person you named, but nudge nudge, you know of whom i speak) one of the “twelve rabid weasels” of SF or some such, and displayed a degree of contempt towards other authors who were far more accomplished than her.

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KHorn
1 year 1 month ago

“I’m hoping you didn’t know. I’m hoping NK Jemisin and K Tempest Bradford and Mary Robinette Kowal don’t know.”

Andrew, I hate to tell you but they do know and they don’t care. Your victimhood, and that of Bradley and NAMBLA’s victims, does not advance their cause and so you are invisible to them. My son is an officer with HPD and recently had a call where a husband had been beaten soundly by his wife using a tire iron. This was not the first time this had happened, and in fact the woman had just been released a week before for the last time she beat him. One of the officers was tasked with taking in the wife, while my son went with the EMTs and the husband to the hospital for his treatment and to take his statement. While he waited for the victim to be patched up my son and the staff tried to find him a shelter to go to. There was only one shelter that accepted men, which was oriented toward victims from gay couples, but they were over capacity already. Every other shelter refused saying they take women and children only. This is the fourth largest city in the country, not some podunk burg of only a few thousand. The man didn’t want to go home, because the lovely wife’s relatives had a habit of intimidating him in to dropping charges. The only option my son could think of was the sobering center, which is not a drunk tank by any means, it’s for people who are publicly intoxicated but non-violent, so there is no arrest, just a place with a clean cot, laundry and shower facilities, food and bottled water staffed by police and medical professionals who give you a safe place to sleep it off. But it’s not a shelter because unfortunately, you can’t stay more than eight hours, but that’s where they went because there were no other options.

So Andrew, I’m very sorry for what you suffered, but because you’re male, just like that poor husband, Scalzi, Hines, and the rest really don’t care because you don’t fit the role of victim they want to cast. It’s the reason they only focus on rape, not violent crime in general, because then they’d have to admit the overwhelming majority of victims of violent crime are men and god, or goddess, forbid we could talk generally about reducing violent crime (which we’ve done a decent job of) and realizing all of us are human and can all suffer.

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1 year 1 month ago

Besides, the children Breen went after were white males, and that privilege means they can’t be raped, since rape is sex with power. White males automatically have power, so it wasn’t rape.

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junior
1 year 1 month ago

Reminds me of mention I read recently (in Slate, of all places) that the US Department of Justice only started tracking statistics for rapes in which males were victims in 2012. Prior to that they automatically threw out any statistics in which rapes of males were included.

Doesn’t fit the narrative…

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1 year 1 month ago

Larry, the SJWs got you spending 200 words going on about the etymology of a word defined by them as being “bad”. A useless endeavor. If you want to do something meaningful in the culture wars, make fun of them. Satirize the fools. Make a farce of their arguments.
You’ve got the weapons to do that and it would likely be as entertaining as hell. A “Bill the Galactic Hero” for the post modern age.

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Kent
1 year 1 month ago

” If you want to do something meaningful in the culture wars, make fun of them. Satirize the fools.”

^ THIS ^. As the always estimable C.S. Lewis so aptly put it: “The Devil is proud, and cannot bear to be mocked.”

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1 year 1 month ago

Have you read any of Larry’s blog posts?

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junior
1 year 1 month ago

There have been some small things included here and there. For instance, the Monsters Rights group in MHL. I don’t think he’s put any major pokes into his books yet, though.

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dyingearth
1 year 1 month ago

junior, on June 20, 2014 at 6:28 am said:
There have been some small things included here and there. For instance, the Monsters Rights group in MHL. I don’t think he’s put any major pokes into his books yet, though.

Seeing MCB’s SOP is to either intimidate or kill witness, the Monster Right organization won’t have much to stand on.

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Ray
1 year 1 month ago

To these people left is right and right is wrong. Logic doesn’t signify.

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Jake
1 year 1 month ago

Or as the Tumblr In Action group on Reddit likes to put it: FACTS DON’T REAL, ONLY FEELS.

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LittleRed1
1 year 1 month ago

That’s even less realistic than “four legs good, two legs bad.”

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Christopher M. Chupik
1 year 1 month ago

Less garmmatical, too.

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1 year 1 month ago

Maybe this is a cultural thing. Is it possible there are a significant percentage of men on the political left that do (or did) think that rape was “okay” or “no big deal” in some instances? Enough so, that from the viewpoint of women (and men) living in that subculture, teaching men not to rape actually does make sense? In other words, could their reactions to Mr. Correia’s “Naïve Idiocy of Teach Rapists Not to Rape” post make sense from within their subcultural context because they see much more sexual violence from “normal” men than would be typical among libertarians and/or the political right?

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BobtheRegisterredFool
1 year 1 month ago

There are some indications, W. Clinton, T. Kennedy, J. Kennedy, C. Dodd, et al. on the one hand, and apparently in certain leftist communities of the sixties women were expected to say yes to anyone.

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NKR
1 year 1 month ago

What about Occupy? That was pure leftism and they had to create safe places because so many people were being raped and sexually assaulted. Yes, rape is a huge problem with players on the left. Just look at Hollywood. It’s rampant.

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Synova
1 year 1 month ago

“…in certain leftist communities of the sixties women were expected to say yes to anyone.”

No doubt a certain amount of that was pure predation of the “god requires you to have sex with the cult leader” type…

But when the whole deal is Free Love on what basis do you say but not with you? When your whole social agenda is destroying the prudish body shaming of your parent’s generation how do you say but not with you?

If there is a “rape culture” it makes way more sense that it would be based on demands for sexual permissiveness because how do you explain that you’ll f*ck perfect strangers at a party… but not *you*.

The perpetrators of this crap are in DEEP denial.

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1 year 1 month ago

I don’t think it’s limited to “the political left”. Think Steubenville. I very much doubt those football boys had any political leanings whatsoever. And they got a young girl so drunk she passed dead out, and took pictures while they stripped her naked and had sex with her. That’s rape. And given the fact that they took pictures while doing it and spread them around school, they apparently (surely!) didn’t know it was rape.

It is my understanding that this is what the “teach men not to rape” line is talking about. It is my understanding that they get that the sort of “break into your house” or “drag you down the alley at knifepoint” rapists aren’t going to be dissuaded by that sort of teaching. But there’s a lot of rape that doesn’t fit that mold, where it’s quite possible that the men involved in some of it don’t know that what they are doing is rape. (And by the way, the society in which boys like that grow up in that allows them to think that doing that isn’t rape is the much maligned and poorly named “Rape Culture” that Team SJW talks about. Yes, it’s poorly named. No, the fact that it’s poorly named doesn’t mean that the phenomenon referred to doesn’t exist.)

I’m also sure that some idiot on that team really does think you can talk everybody around, even Mr. Rapey McRaperson III. But that person is an idiot, and not really representative of the mainstream, or even the mainstream SJW.

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Synova
1 year 1 month ago

“…they apparently (surely!) didn’t know it was rape.”

Someone the other day asked this question to test for “knowing”… if the girl passed out was the sister of any one of them, would they have “known” it was rape?

Clearly… YES.

The ability to talk themselves into going along with the group, to talk themselves into it… is not the definition of if they knew it was rape or not.

And I do hope (since there is photographic evidence) that they are now in jail.

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junior
1 year 1 month ago

That strikes me as the kind of thing where you “thought it was a good idea at the time”. But once you come to your senses afterwards, you realize how badly you screwed up. And yes, at that instant, I suspect that they did know it was rape without needing to be told. But “at the time”, so to speak, you’re not really thinking clearly for whatever reason.

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perlhaqr
1 year 1 month ago

Synova: I don’t know for certain that that follows. Guys in our society frequently get defensive about their female relatives, even when everything is clearly and perfectly consenting. They might well have objected on those grounds alone. It does not necessarily follow that they’d have objected because they thought of it as “rape”, but rather simply because it was someone having sex with their sister under any circumstances.

*shrug* That’s speculation, though. I think it’s pretty clear that at the time they most likely were not thinking of themselves as “that guy that hangs out in alleys and rapes women”, though.

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Fail Burton
1 year 1 month ago

Let’s remind people how law works. People at Steubenville get arrested for crimes, not anyone else. Unless you can prove a conspiracy to commit rape exists, there is no such thing as “rape culture.” The promotion of “rape culture” is meant to demonize men, not prevent rape. None of these fake feminists have done anything to prevent rape. They are interested in blame, not solutions.

And did anyone notice Scalzi Tweeted he was donating 1,000 bucks to RAIIN because of LC? That is classic intersectional feminism. LC uses a slur and Scalzi – in true intersectional fashion – links LC to real and actual rape. Did anyone notice Scalzi linked to a PDF some weeks ago asking us to educate ourselves about intersectional feminism?

The PDF lists vectors of oppression “to include age, attractiveness, body type, caste, citizenship, education, ethnicity, height and weight assessments, immigration status, income, marital status, mental health status, nationality, occupation, physical ability, religion, sex, sexual orientation.” And of course this is all set against “the multiplicatively privileged,” the “‘white, thin, male.'”

These people are stone barking mad.