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A letter from John C. Wright

John C. Wright has written an open letter to SFWA. If you are keeping up on the many, many outrages and controversies of the week, I’d recommend reading this.

http://www.scifiwright.com/2014/04/an-open-letter-to-the-science-fiction-writers-of-america/

Instead of friends, I find ideologues bent on jihad against all who do not meekly conform to their Orwellian and hellish philosophy.

Yeah… Ouch. Seriously, read it. Please, keep in mind that this is probably one of the most eloquent, articulate, intelligent voices in genre fiction.

 

My Hugo controversy makes the USA Today
Utah, it is RINO season!
Morlock Publishing (@MorlockP)
Guest

Just read it.

Epic.

…which is to be expected from JCW.

Wes S.
Guest

From the comments, it looks like Brad Torgersen is also withdrawing from SFWA.

What does it say about the Hugos that two of this year’s nominees have quit the organization in protest, and most of the rest are engaged in a massive intellectual pillow fight? (Assuming “intellectual” applies to the likes of the social justice warriors, which is debatable.)

dgarsys
Guest

Two of this years nominees have quit in protest. I believe one other (Larry) is not, and has not been a member. Another (Vox) was actively booted out in a program, and they won’t even mention his name….

timothympollard
Guest

I thought that the Hugos where run by WorldCon, a separate organisation to the SFWA?

Still the point still stands about the SFWA itself; it’s kind of significant that such a large number of nominees for the Hugos have quit their organisation or been kicked out.

BornLib
Guest

Which other nominee withdrew their membership besides Torgersen?

thewriterinblack
Guest

It was a couple of years ago that I quietly let my membership lapse for much the same reasons. No point, for me, in making a big fuss about it because, let’s be frank, who would care?

But now they’re losing people who do matter and not just Mr. Wright. I remember when a couple of fairly big names quit over a mostly internal matter, but it seems to have been an early warning of things to come.

Fail Burton
Guest

Ask yourself this question: what percentage of QUILTBAG intersectional feminists do you think exist in America today? Certainly it must under 1%. 1% would be 3.2 million.

Of the approximately 70 blog posts that went after Malzberg/Resnick during the SFWA bulletin fiasco, about 75% were by QUILTBAG intersectional feminists, and that doesn’t include official bell hooks mascots like Scalzi and Hines. All 7 bloggers that used terms like “old white men” were intersectional feminists.

If that doesn’t tell you what’s going on, nothing will.

RightWingProf
Guest

Props for JCW – if we did an “unzip and measure”, he’d definitely have the biggest pen of us all – after all, he uses the word moiety, and for him, it fits.

Hopefully his and Torgersen’s leaving will signal the start of an exodus. And it seems to have been sparked by the Sad Puppies. Keep up the pressure – the more they respond, the clearer it becomes who they are.

NR Pax
Guest

It was a well-written post, free of melodrama and full of harsh reality. And the sad part is that the people who truly need to pay attention to this won’t. They’ll just close ranks and insist that theirs is the only view that’s allowed.

The Phantom
Guest

I’ve read most of JCW’s books. He’s exactly who the SFWA should be courting and saying please be in our club.

That they are doing exactly the reverse is an indication that their purpose is not the promotion of science fiction and its authors, but rather the destruction of SF and its authors.

It seems a widespread problem in the publishing industry, and the result is that the SF section in all bookstores is shrinking away to nothing. I recall being shocked at the miniscule size of the SF/Fantasy section at the Stanford

thewriterinblack
Guest

I’ve read most of JCW’s books. He’s exactly who the SFWA should be courting and saying please be in our club.

Unfortunately writing is secondary. The correct ideology is what stands front and center in today’s SFWA.

The Phantom
Guest

Agreed. Same goes for the Hugo.

I see no reason we should let that stand. We’re the audience, the least we can do is cheer the heroes and throw rotten fruit at the SFWA.

Being a pack of saboteurs should not be a good business model in a free country, maybe we can all arrange for the worst offenders to either smarten up or go stoney broke.

Tor, I’m looking at you.

Peter O
Guest

Tor is … Weird.

Their publishing house has a decent cross-over with Baen authors, including some of the ‘conservative’ ones (Weber’s Safehold, Moon, couple others I’m blanking on right now). So that arm is definitely still following the cash.
But their Tor.com arm is some of the worst offenders for enforcing group-think. There have got to be some amazing internal fights going on there.

timothympollard
Guest

Their publishing house has a decent cross-over with Baen authors, including some of the ‘conservative’ ones (Weber’s Safehold, Moon, couple others I’m blanking on right now). So that arm is definitely still following the cash.

Also most of John C. Wright’s work. 😉 Almost all of his fiction is with Tor, only Awake in the Night Land is with Castilia.

BornLib
Guest

“Their publishing house has a decent cross-over with Baen authors, including some of the ‘conservative’ ones (Weber’s Safehold, Moon, couple others I’m blanking on right now). So that arm is definitely still following the cash.”

Moon is by no means any kind of conservative. Rather she is a liberal who was convicted of Badthink for suggesting 9/11 and terrorism might have something to do with Islam. Yes, they really took away her Feminist card for criticizing Islam of all things.

Tor does publish a bunch of right-of-center authors, but Moon is not among their number.

The Phantom
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My new official response to this JCW letter is I went and spent $4.50CDN on John’s book bomb. I hate Kindle (quite a lot, really), but it doesn’t matter. Job done.

Blume
Guest

Peter, Tor used to have Jim Baen at the head of its Scifi/Fantasy department. The cross over is probably a residule of that.

Ray
Guest

When a sheep leaves the flock, the rest of the herd closes ranks. Good for Mr. Wright.Good for the Science Fiction and Fantasy genre. Bad for SFWA. All of these are positives.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
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A long time ago, I was told the same thing – to make it in the industry, join the SFWA, get known, etc. I was dubious about this since I did not live either in the US nor was I a citizen of the US living abroad, so I held off – especially as I was just at the time aspiring to write. I grew quietly leery as the years passed, as I learned from here and places elsewhere online that they were not in fact as inclusive nor as tolerant as they claimed to be. JCW’s letter, elegant as… Read more »
John C Wright
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Not to worry. After reading HARD MAGIC, I am a servile and fawning fan of Larry Correia and now haunt his blog frequently, so I am sure to see your comment. Thank you for the kind words.

The Phantom
Guest

John, thanks to Larry you are now a couple bucks richer, I just downloaded “Awake in the Night Land”.

Least I could do, with you guys sticking your necks out like that.

Write something else so I can buy it in hardcover. 🙂

John C Wright
Guest

While I appreciate the compliment, I have not stuck my neck out in any way that I can see, merely kicked the dust off my sandals.

Cambias
Guest

Important data point: Tor Books is only part-owner of Tor.Com, and doesn’t exercise much day-to-day control. A few Tor editors and authors are bloggers at Tor.Com, but it’s not the “official” house web site.

I think Tor Books would be wise to clarify this, because a lot of people assume that the opinions of bloggers at Tor.com represent the attitudes of the company. Which, if you’ve ever met Tom Doherty, is highly implausible.

junior
Guest

That’s weird…

You’d think that a company would be interested in maintaining ownership of the website that bears their name and purports to represent them.

Mrs. John C. Wright
Guest

I second this. As a Tor writer, I can say that the company has never done anything to indicate anything but support to John or I.

The Phantom
Guest

That’s good news. I have many Tor books, I’d like to have many more. Be a shame if something might get in the way of that.

Fail Burton
Guest

Were I Tor I’d fire everyone at that web site associate and start from scratch. I’d hire people after asking them this question: “Which is most important, fun and art or race and gender? You have 2 seconds to answer.”

Anyone who stammers doesn’t get hired.

mithbesler
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Cheese and Crackers, no I wish I had cheese and crackers. But Since discovering Larry here is yet another Author I am new to that I will spend my money on instead of food. Added you know how long it has been since I went to a movie but couldn’t because I used my money.. . Just kidding not like there has been a movie out in the last few years I wanted to waste money on. If John’s books are half as entertaining as his comments to the “We are not amused” troll then I know I will be… Read more »
Bubbasrelm
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I would like to suggest that you check out the latest Captain America, the winter Solider. it is a fairly solid movie. If you are enjoying Larry’s works, and strong independent thinking characters, it may just speak to you as a movie.

SirShadesDrake
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I think Larry has managed to shine a much needed light into a corner left too long in the dark. Fortunately those now exposed did not quietly scurry back into the shadows, but instead shout their inanities to the `web, and tout their virtual Pogrom as the One True Way. This leaves them exposed in a way that is now causing even longtime supporters of the organizations they have coopted leaving those organizations. While I might prefer to see such venerable institutions reclaimed by the much broader group that they were first established to represent, it may already be too… Read more »
Phillip McCollum
Guest

I can fully appreciate the war being waged, but I have a question.

There’s a lot being said about what the SFWA’s mission originally was and should be. Have there been any thoughts or attempts to form an alternative organization? A sort of “return to roots” thing? This would seem an opportune time to do so.

LittleRed1
Guest

There’s been talk, but not enough momentum has built to start a new group. And (to my knowledge) no one has volunteered to be the point person to do the legal leg work, file the papers, get tax numbers and all the other fun stuff.

C.S.Gilmore
Guest

Awesome! Can we make a real SFWA now, one that actually does its job and fulfills its stated mission.

Alan
Guest

It goes to show that there’s no saving the SFWA. Some dogs just need to be put down.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

On one hand, I don’t like abandoning institutions to ideological takeovers. On the other hand, maybe SFWA is beyond saving. Let it fall, and something better might take its place.

warpcordova
Guest

His letter was eloquent and to the point, without specifically attacking any one person. Brilliant, IMHO.

The troll which showed up soon after followed Larry’s Rule for Arguing on the Internet to the numbers. Sometimes I think people _want_ to find offense so they can circle their wagons to protect… something.

John C Wright
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“Sometimes I think people _want_ to find offense so they can circle their wagons to protect… something.” I suspect it is to protect their guilty conscience from examination. One cannot be a member of a cult that kills half the Black population in the womb, an act of ongoing extermination, and not feel a twinge of conscience. One cannot be a member of the party of Jim Crow and KKK and constant handouts and nancy-welfare condescension without projecting a deep seated racism on all others; or defending, apologizing, excusing and covering up for the atrocities of Red China and Soviet… Read more »
AndrewV
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Mr. Wright,

Do you know if anyone has kept a log of your short comments regarding the left? Honestly, I think you could sell a lot of copies of “The Wit and Wisdom of John C. Wright” as a nice coffee table book.

John C Wright
Guest

AndrewV, Vox Day over at Castalia House just is coming out with a collection of my nonfiction editorials and reviews and essays called TRANSHUMAN AND SUBHUMAN.

junior
Guest

They want to feel like they’re a victim. Being a legitimate victim pretty much gives you a certain amount of automatic moral superiority. And that’s something that they’re trying to tap into.

Bubbasrelm
Guest
To bad they never realize that by empowering yourself to take control of your life and shed the petty victim glasses, You actually gain the power to be strong within yourself, which allows you to truly help other people. Instead it’s easier to be seen as a victim of mean people who want them to just grow up and accept some personal damn responsibility. And then using the moral authority of quasi victimhood to speak about others who are true victims, as if they really know what it is to be a victim of abuse, or rape, or violence, just… Read more »
Fail Burton
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OPEN REPLY TO MR. WRIGHT: I don’t really see how you or Mr. Torgersen had any choice. Though you may not be being targeted as individuals, you are certainly on an informal blacklist because of being white, male, and heterosexual, and therefore responsible for anything any other white, male, and heterosexual has ever done throughout all time and space. When this is turned on its Orwellian head the PC call this “Islamophobia” and “homophobia,” though there is no proof of such a movement within SFF. However there is absolute proof of heterophobia, androphobia and a marked disdain for whites and… Read more »
Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

The “informal blacklist” is what Mary Robinette Kowal called the “twelve rabid weasels of SFWA” in a post last year. Though I guess it’s only nine now.

Fail Burton
Guest

Hopefully it’ll soon be zero and then the black feminists can attack the white ones for not keeping it “real” and not speaking truth to power. They’re already starting in on Scalzi, the moron who opened Pandora’s Inadvisable QUILTBAG Fembox. Turns out it had no instruction manual and must be fed when other prey disappears.

SBP
Guest

Yes. As I said once before, Scalzi has heard the tumbrel rolling up to to his door and seen the tricoteuses gathering in the on-deck circle.

Tumbrels will play merry hell with a nice lawn.

SBP
Guest

That movie ends with the last two chanting “Ouroborindra, Ouroborindra, Ouroborindra, ba-ba-hee!”

John C Wright
Guest

May I quote this on my blog? I mean, as a short guest essay?

Fail Burton
Guest

Sure.

John C Wright
Guest

The piece is here: http://www.scifiwright.com/2014/04/open-reply-to-mr-wright/

Do have a webpage or something to which I can link to give you credit? Or a real name or anything you want me to use?

Fail Burton
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“Lambda Literary Awards (also known as the ‘Lammys’) are awarded yearly by the United States-based Lambda Literary Foundation to published works that celebrate or explore LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) themes. “The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were created in 1998 by the Gaylactic Network to honor works in science fiction, fantasy and horror which include positive explorations of gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered characters, themes, or issues.” “Black Science Fiction Society: Home to all things black science fiction” “What is the Tiptree Award?… an annual literary prize for science fiction or fantasy that expands or explores our understanding of gender.” *… Read more »
junior
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The Octavia E. Butler award caught my eye. She graduated from my high school. And since she lived in the community, the school asked her to come talk to us after she managed to start selling novels. She told us about the ideas for some of the stories she’d written. She mentioned that one of them involved a modern-day black woman who traveled back in time and became a slave in the US. She mentioned that she’d realized her protagonist would need to be female because the attitude of the typical modern-day black male meant that he wouldn’t live for… Read more »
Jonathan
Guest

Two new resolutions:

1. Read more John C. Wright.

2. Make sure to never make John C. Wright angry with me.

By Jove, the man has the sharpest pen ever forged and every word it issues is a poisoned arrow.

Joel Salomon
Guest

The editor of The Radish blog disagreed with John C. Wright’s letter on Twitter. The ensuing conversation yielded 6 of 8 points on the Checklist aimed at Mr Wright, plus an amusing variant of Dismiss aimed at me: the argumentum ad petasum.

Storified at The turnip thinks it’s a radish, only it’s not quite as sharp..

Quatermain
Guest

I once saw a small child plug their ears, close their eyes, and turn their back rather than listen to something they didn’t want to. Ms. Luhrs reaction seems fairly similar. I left a message in her comments to that effect, but unsurprisingly, it didn’t make it through ‘moderation.’

Also, I don’t know if my machine or not, but your link seems to have been 404’ed.

Joel Salomon
Guest

I tried to edit it, wound up deciding to delete it instead. Served its purpose.

Joel Salomon
Guest

Just about everything is in the single thread starting at 2014-04-28T08:05Z!@eilatan. My comments were unnecessary.

John C Wright
Guest

“The editor of The Radish blog disagreed with John C. Wright’s letter on Twitter”

How does one disagree with a resignation letter, I wonder? If I say “I quit” and the Radish says “No, you don’t!” or I say, “The atmosphere is too politically correct! I would like all men of good will to stick together!” and he says “No, using ‘men’ instead of ‘person’ is ungoodthink’!”

Wes S.
Guest

I’m still goggling over Natalie’s use of “flounce” in Joel’s link. Projecting, much?

Oh yeah, and she apparently doesn’t like Joel’s _hat._

What was that you were saying about “perpetually-outraged grey-haired juveniles…?

Mean Girls. Just a bunch of Mean Girls.

*facepalm*

Jonathan
Guest

Maybe she used “flounce” in error. She really meant “trounce”.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
Guest

More to the point, how does that editor expect that throwing a tantrum will entice you to stay?

This line of ‘thinking’… baffles me.

Wes S.
Guest

I’m thinking the proper word is “emoting.” And it’s still baffling.

Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
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Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

“that editor expect that throwing a tantrum will entice you to stay?”

I doubt that the editor wants Wright to stay. I suspect it was more a “tantrum” over his reasons for leaving.

Christopher M. Chupik
Guest
Christopher M. Chupik

They would hhave thrown a tantrum if you announced you were going to *stay*.

The Phantom
Guest

I read that Radish thing. It seems to me she’s “dehumanizing the enemy” by dismissing John’s resignation as “flouncing out”.

She appears to be quite the piece of work. I hope never to meet her in a dark alley.

Shadowdancer Duskstar / Cutelildrow
Guest

I thought they’d already dehumanized the lot of us.

Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

I hope to never meet her at a convention.

Bubbasrelm
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I hope to meet her in person. You can’t IP ban a dissenting opinion in real life yet. And as long as no assault, or battery occurs, She can only do one of 4 things. 1.Retreat, I win 2. Make shit up, accuse, and otherwise use the checklist in real life so those around us can see she’s an idiot. I win 3. Engage me in actual debate with salient points and provide me witha rousing argument. I win(i love a good, reasoned , argument.) 4.Mace me, where as i get to press battery charges, and she gets all the… Read more »
Christopher M. Chupik
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Christopher M. Chupik

Wright is supposed to be this evil, hateful guy, and yet all the hate on Twitter is coming from his opponents. ALL of it.

rek
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Daniel Abraham (half of James SA Corey) tweeted this:

“Because of the new SFWA resignations and the Hugo ballot, and because it’s almost out of rotation, this:
http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/another_word_04_14/

Fail Burton
Guest
Yeah, and when I first started publicly listing the Ctrl H PC racist anti-racist quotes by Saladin Ahmed and Aliette de Bodard like I’ve done here, Abrahams Tweeted “That man makes me tired just looking at him,” while his buddies laughed me off a some kind of insane white supremacist. Ahmed Tweeted “STOP THESE COLORED PEOPLE & THEIR WHITE ACCOMPLICE! (“@scalzi, @nkjemisin, & Saladin Ahmed must be taken in hand.”) ” while Scalzi replied “Oh boy! I get to be an accomplice! @nkjemisin” I might remind Abrahams that it was insane white supremacists just like me and my uncles who… Read more »
SBP
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How nice. I think I’m going to make a pie chart showing authors whose names include the letter “Q”, an underprivileged letter if there ever was one. If the proportion is less than 1/26, fear my Twitter wrath! Before going over there I made a bet with myself about the author. Yep. Pasty-white English dude, ritzy private school, Magdalen College, Oxford. Definitely someone who’s been Put Down by The Man. If he feels that strongly about the issue, why doesn’t he step down as editor and let a “PoC” have his job? I’m sure Mummy and Pater will still send… Read more »
Fail Burton
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On Twitter today, one of the worst of the PC, S.L. Huang, complained they had to cancel horseback riding cuz of an injury. That kind of gritty insider knowledge of the dark side of life, considering they went to M.I.T., is a wisdom factory. When commiserating about evil Correia on Twitter today with fellow geniuses Natalie Luhrs and Cora Buhlert, Huang wrote about them all becoming kinder, gentler PC anti-racists around their college years, “But most of us were willing to listen & learn.” The usual smugness aside, how they did that by relentlessly censoring people will remain a mystery,… Read more »
AndrewV
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I’d be happy to see members of the left dial down the rhetoric, and will applaud Mr. Abraham if he does so. Maybe he’s the start of a trend… I do need to nitpick with this from the article: “I’ve also adopted Marcus Aurelius as one of my intellectual bodyguards. Here’s this guy with the power of a god among men. He was the Emperor of the only superpower of his time.” What about the Parthian Empire or the Han Dynasty? Mr. Abraham’s statement is rather… amusing… considering this is a white man who is very upset we do not… Read more »
MJG
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My assumption, because I usually assume the worst of people, is that Abraham doesn’t want to draw any bad attention to himself now that he has that TV deal for Expanse. I think this is the same reason Scalzi toned his shit down too. GRRM as well, actually, who used to be a lot more outspoken.

Morals are one thing, as long as they don’t fuck up “dat money”

Fail Burton
Guest

Calling your fans misogynist cis-normative racists who need to examine their privilege and homophobia isn’t exactly a ticket seller. Neither is using Twitter LOL’s to defend anti-white racists who particularly pick on Hollywood.

Scalzi should put up a full page version of his white privilege post in Variety to boost interest.

ratseal
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@MJG: I wonder if their aggression resurfaces once they pocket the dough?

SBP
Guest

“Scalzi should put up a full page version of his white privilege post in Variety to boost interest.”

I think he should run a commercial on Fox News featuring that bit about “suckling Rupert Murdoch’s withered, reactionary grandpa teats”. Being that he’s a new member of the Fox Family and all that.

Dave W.
Guest

That was just awesome, Mr Wright. If they had any shame, they should feel verbally bruised after that.

Now I’m going to get back to reading Awake in the Night Land while trying to actually sleep after it’s creeped me out. :-p

Wes S.
Guest

Apropos of nothing at all, I hear I’m getting a Kindle for my birthday.

I expect that “Awake In The Night Land” will be the first thing I download to it.

SirBrass
Guest

Reading the comments to the open letter is as fun as reading a good fisking by Larry: both were one-sided and the author was the one doing the vanquishing. But whereas Larry’s fisks are like watching a well-deserved beatdown, John’s fisking are like watching an artful dissection. I want a beer when I read Larry’s fisks. I want a fine glass of wine when reading John’s.

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