Monster Hunter Nation

Larry F. Correia, International Lord of Hate

So I got slandered in the Guardian last Friday. I would have responded sooner, but I don’t normally blog on weekends, and yesterday was the highly successful Book Bombing of John C. Wright’s latest book. We got him into the 200s overall, #2 on three different bestseller list, onto the Movers and Shakers list, and the top of Hot New Releases. Side note, it is kind of funny how I’m not a *real* writer, yet I somehow manage to routinely manipulate the sales rankings of the world’s biggest online book seller once a month for my friends. Go figure.

Anyways, my name showed up as the poster child for hate mongery and villainy in the Guardian (a liberal tabloid that passes for a major newspaper in Britain). I’ve been in a lot of American news things but this was a first for me, so on Friday afternoon I had to discuss with my fans on Facebook what I should put on my new business cards. We finally decided on Larry F. Correia, International Lord of Hate. Almost went with The Hatemaster because of the 70’s super villain vibe, but that looks too much like The Hamster when you’re reading fast.

So here is the article written by Damian Walter. It turns out that Tom Kratman knew him back when Asimov’s had a forum, and remembered him as a shrill little libprog, and that if Damian was at the Guardian a village somewhere in England was missing their idiot.

Somebody else told me that Damian is an “aspiring” author, and that he’d recently been given a grant by the British government to write a novel. I have no idea if this is true, and don’t care enough to look it up, but man, if it is… your government actually pays people to write novels? BWA HA HA HAW! Holy shit. As an actual novelist, that’s funny. And I thought my government was stupid.

Unlike Damian, I’m not a huge pussy, so I will include the link to the thing that I’m about to insult. http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/apr/11/science-fiction-needs-to-reflect-queer-fluid-gender-identity

As usual, the article is in italics, my comments are in bold.

Science Fiction Needs to Reflect that the Future is Queer

You’re probably thinking, oh, not this shit again. Don’t worry. I’m not going to fisk the whole thing. I’m skipping the first few paragraphs. It is just more of the usual whiny ass demands for more message fic catering to Special Topic of the Day X. Tomorrow the X will be different, but the lectures will be exactly the same.

Though you should read it for tidbits like how male gamers play female characters in video games because they are curious about gender roles… Uh huh… And not because if you’re going to be staring at your character’s ass in Skyrim for 200 hours, it might as well be an attractive ass. The new Tomb Raider spent millions of dollars to perfect 3D boob jiggle for the next generation consoles because male gamers really want to hear Laura Croft’s feelings about the dangers of cismale patriarchy.

All of the other dumb shit he threw out there has been taken apart by other authors already:

Dave goes through why gender roles actually exist for things beyond hurting Damian’s delicate lilac scented feelings: http://madgeniusclub.com/2014/04/14/cow-manure-and-truth/ (and this one is especially good, because as he talks about punching cows. That back breaking, filthy, dangerous job is how I grew up. No wonder every other job in my life has seemed easy in comparison. I must have “privilege”)

Sarah explains how Damian having to cut his hair isn’t the worst thing to ever happen, while trying to steal my title of International Lord of Hate: http://accordingtohoyt.com/2014/04/13/i-need-a-secret-lair-and-minions-and-piranhas/

And while the libprogs are tring to poison the awards well against other conservative writers, Amanda explains the modern literati libprog’s concept of fairness: http://madgeniusclub.com/2014/04/15/so-much-for-fairness/

I just want to focus on the part where he comes after me.

When author and historian Alex Dally Macfarlane made a call earlier this year for a vision of post-binary gender in SF, her intelligent argument was met with predictably intractable ignorance from conservative sci-fi fans.

First off, it wasn’t intelligent at all. It was a petulant demand for authors to end the default of binary gender in their fiction, and how she never wanted to see the default of binary gender again. Please, go ahead and read it. Don’t take my word for it.

For writers and fans like Larry Correia, whose virulent attack on MacFarlane

Interesting… Notice how Damian doesn’t ever link to what I actually said and never uses any actual quotes from me. Here is my “virulent attack”. If you’ve not read it yet, read it for yourself and decide if it matches anything Damian goes on to accuse me of: http://monsterhunternation.com/2014/01/28/ending-binary-gender-in-fiction-or-how-to-murder-your-writing-career/

was excellently dissected by Jim C Hines, sex is a biological imperative and the idea of gender as a social construct is a damn liberal lie!

If Jim’s pathetic slap fight attempt at taking me down strikes you as “excellently dissected” I’d hate to live in your sad little Everybody Gets a Trophy world. It was more of an attempted playground hair pulling, so then I responded by metaphorically knocking his fucking teeth in. Here is an actual dissection of excellence, where I take Jim Hines out and kick him around like a soccer ball. http://monsterhunternation.com/2014/01/29/5687/

Unlike Damian, I don’t need to put words in people’s mouths. Libprogs want conservatives to be silent. Conservatives want libprogs to keep talking so the world can see just how full of shit they are. The links are all there. Judge for yourself.

There are so many distortions that I can’t even take this line by line, I’ve been forced to responding to fragments.

But Correia boils it down to a much simpler argument.

Not even close. None of what he goes on to say is even close to my argument, which was story first, message fic WAY later.

However accurate a queer future might be,

Uh… Wow… No. I never made that argument either. First, “however accurate a queer future might be” – Nope. Whatever sexuality floats your boat, it is no skin off my nose, but only about 2% of the population is gay, so I definitely don’t think it is accurate that we are going to have a queer future, or that mankind is going to ever end the default of binary gender.

That’s just wishful thinking on Damian’s part. Even if Earth went full Sparta in the future, most of us would still think that Damian is a pussy. As for the future, western nations have become more forgiving of homosexuality, true, but once again, while a libprog is quick to lecture us all on white privilege, their usual soft racism overlooks the rest of the world, where cultures that despise and persecute homosexuals are common. I would assume that those cultures have a future too. Demographically those cultures are making babies and growing while the permissive euro-socialists have quit having kids. Yes, I’m sure in the future the Space Caliphate is just going to love it some gay folks.

SF authors must continue to pander to the bigotry of conservative readers if they want to be “commercial”.

So that was my argument? Hmm… Interesting. Since Damon couldn’t be bothered to link to my actual article or use any quotes from me except for the ones he made up, let’s take a look at some of the things that I really said in the article:

“Now, before we continue I need to establish something about my personal writing philosophy. Science Fiction is SPECULATIVE FICTION. That means we can make up all sorts of crazy stuff and we can twist existing reality to do interesting new things in order to tell the story we want to tell. I’m not against having a story where there are sexes other than male and female or neuters or schmes or hirs or WTF ever or that they flip back and forth or shit… robot sex. Hell, I don’t know. Write whatever tells your story.

But the important thing there is STORY. Not the cause of the day. STORY.

Because readers buy STORIES they enjoy and when readers buy our stuff, authors GET PAID.”

Hmm… Write whatever tells your story… That sure sounds like me telling people to not write about gay people to satisfy conservative bigotry. Let’s see what other vile hate speech I spewed in those articles he was too chicken shit to link:

“Robert Heinlein had stories where technology allowed switching sex. Great. That’s actually a pretty normal sci-fi trope where in the future, there’s some tech that allows people to change shape/sex, whatever, and we’ve got grandmasters of sci-fi who have pulled off humans evolving into psychic space dolphins or beings of pure energy. If that fits into the story you want to tell and you want to explore that, awesome for you. I’ve read plenty of stories where that was part of that universe. If your space whales that live inside the sun have three sexes, awesome (that one was my novella push on Sad Puppies 1).”

Yeah. Wow. There I go again… Could it be that it is the libprog Social Justice Warriors who are bossing people around and trying to push conformist group think, and that they suffer from projection issues? Naw… That’s impossible. Let’s keep going, surely this simple idea that I boiled it all down to can be found in there somewhere!

You want a truth bomb? Readers hate being preached at. Period. Even when you agree with the message, if it is ham fisted and shoved in your face, it turns you off. Message fic for message fic’s sake makes for tedious reading. Yet, as this stuff has become more and more prevalent, sci-fi has become increasingly dull, and readership has shrank.

Nope. That can’t be it either. I warn writers not to bore the shit out of their audience for commercial reasons, but where’s the part where I tell writers not to write about gay folks?

Which is of course nonsense.

Yes, you fucking twatwaffle, it would be nonsense because you made it all up. When you can’t actually debate somebody libprogs go for Make Shit Up. And once you’ve hit that check box, they can go for Dismiss. For my new readers, here is a handy checklist for when you are arguing with morons like Damian. http://monsterhunternation.com/2013/09/20/the-internet-arguing-checklist/

Ironically, as this little ass clown was putting words in my mouth about how writers shouldn’t write about gay folks in order to assuage our homophobic red state audience, my book of the week was Sarah Hoyt’s novel with a gay narrator. My last Book Bomb was for a Michael Z. Williamson novel where the main character was a bisexual. You know why? Because the stories were entertaining and they were enjoyable books from talented authors.

The science fiction novels of Iain M Banks were bestsellers many times over, in part because the future they explored was openly queer.

In part? In fucking PART? By that logic Tolkien is a bestseller because some people really like books with trees in them.

Citizens of Banks’ future society the Culture have the ability to change their sex at will, and frequently shift between sexes and gender roles. Kim Stanley Robinson’s 2312 became both a bestseller and multiple award winner with a vision of the future that included fluid non-binary gender.

I like how he throws these out there like he’s proving me wrong or something… I suppose if I was the imaginary straw man he’d constructed I’d be all sorts of outraged or something.

And Nicola Griffith’s historical epic Hild, nominated for this year’s Nebula awards by members of the SFWA, is built around a bisexual protagonist.

Anybody who wants to be a writer really needs to separate “award winning” and “best selling” in their mind. They are not synonyms. Sometimes a book will be both. Usually they are not, and prestigious awards don’t pay shit. To most readers “award winning” is more of a synonym for “boring and preachy” because they’ve learned the hard way that over recent years awards are more likely to go to whatever preaches about Special Topic X than what is actually the enjoyable. This is a leading cause of Puppy Related Sadness.

And if members of the SFWA like it? Whoop. SFWA doesn’t represent the book buying public that actually pays the bills. The SJW crowd of SFWA will love whatever preaches about Special Topic of the Day X, and then they’ll write blog posts about how it was too bad more left handed transsexual Eskimos haven’t won awards, then they’ll lead a lynch mob against one of their fellow libprogs for slightly deviating from proper goodthink. SFWA is useless and their Social Justice contingent is tedious.

Now I want to raise a question, why is the Guardian brining me up now? If you look at the dates, I pissed off the left half of the internet clear back in January. That’s like ten million years in internet time. Since then the Social Justice Warrior crowd has moved on and been outraged by Jonathan Ross for possibly telling fat jokes in the future, then they got outraged at Neil Gaiman for his being surprised at how easily they get outraged, then they got outraged at Robert Silverburg and a couple dozen other prominent writers for saying that they didn’t want a soviet style editorial board to prosecute thought crime, then they got outraged at liberal Patrick Rothfuss for saying maybe they shouldn’t be so easily outraged all the time, then they got outraged at liberal Wil Wheaton for agreeing with Rothfuss, and I think I’m forgetting some other outrages in there too.

So there’s been plenty of outrage since their outrage over me saying that their message fic is annoying. (if only I could figure out a way to harness the friction energy of liberal hand wringing, I’d have a source of limitless free energy… then I’d then sell the patent for this device to Big Oil for a zillion dollars, because I’m a greedy capitalist 1%er)

So why now, months later, does a British newspaper feel the need to mention me and make up some shit that I never said? Hmmm… What could possibly be going on in, oh… let’s say, London… Could they have been counting up Hugo nominations maybe? Naw… Surely this is just a coincidence.

Well, Damian, as a libprog it is never too early for you to start poisoning the well. Though if you’re going to make it as a journalist maybe you shouldn’t be so ham fisted in your timing. You might inadvertently reveal that somebody leaked information to you early or something.

Personally I look forward to the next few months of nonstop character assassination about me by the Social Justice Warriors. It will be just like when I was nominated for the Campbell. If I can generate enough infamy in Britain, maybe I will be invited to go on Top Gear to drive the reasonably priced car. Then Jeremy Clarkson and I can go over to Piers Morgan’s house and toilet paper his trees.

 

EDIT: John C. Wright has chimed in, and holy moly, Damien gets whooped on. :) http://www.scifiwright.com/2014/04/a-marvel-from-a-d-801702/

Leave a Reply

275 Comments on "Larry F. Correia, International Lord of Hate"


Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Brilliant!

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Good Lord.

I thought the article about ending binary gender was a load of horse shit. I’ve written gay characters (positively – not just as gross villains) and tried to make them realistic. But I’m not writing about anything that means I have to use the term “cisgender” or any variant. I’m also not interested in reading anything like that.

This doesn’t make me prejudiced.

Lunacy…

Guest
the gripping hand
1 year 3 months ago

Top Gear? THIS MUST HAPPEN!

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Please, yes!

Guest
dave
1 year 3 months ago

send e-male to top gear!

Guest
brianniemeier
1 year 3 months ago

“…but that looks too much like The Hamster when you’re reading fast.”
Thus averting a potentially nasty dispute with Richard Hammond.

Guest
The swede
1 year 3 months ago

Yes, it would be awesome to see Larry on Top Gear!

Guest
Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
1 year 3 months ago

IMO being “slandered in the Guardian” is an honor. [Wink]

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Well, I don’t know if people in London are scared of you being nominated for the Hugo, but I voted to nominate Warbound anywway.

I hadn’t heard of the Rothfuss/Wheaton thing, though. I hope a lot of liberals wake up to the fact that many of their comrades are making them look like pansies. I just can’t believe that some people who have the power to stop these whiners will, instead, listen to them. If more people just ignored their cries of outrage, they would realize what little difference these whiners can actually make when push comes to shove..

Guest
Wes S.
1 year 3 months ago

When you’ve lost Wil Wheaton… :P

Guest
CombatMissionary
1 year 3 months ago

Are you insinuating that Wil Wheaton wasn’t acting when he guest starred on Eureka? I didn’t think even most Hollywood actors had that much abrasiveness in them. It was like applying a bar of Lava soap to my eyeballs.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Larry you are The Man, but really you spend way too much time on these retards. Best thing for you to do, write more SF and make ‘em cry with how there’s never any gender-bent characters in your WILDLY SUCCESSFUL novels.

Maybe you could make some really loathsome gender-bent monsters that only come out at night, then blow ‘em up with silver bullets. I’d pay money to read that.

Guest
CombatMissionary
1 year 3 months ago

I disagree. To not reply is often taken in the same light as silent assent in our world. Libprogs have made as much progress as they have because too many of us failed to speak out over the years and throw the BS flag on their plays. And Larry is the master of throwing the BS flag.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Oh, I’m not suggesting no reply. More like a Glasgow Kiss and a “f- you!”, then onward.

No reason to serve up a ten course ass kicking when a back hand upside the head will suffice. :)

Guest
SirBrass
1 year 3 months ago

But the ten course ass kicking is so entertaining to read! :D

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

CombatMissionary, I went just now and read the whole article and all the comments to date. What a bunch of -retards-.

I conclude my first impulse was correct, and this Damien Walter dink rates no more than a terse “fuck off” and a flick on the ear.

To wit:

“When author and historian Alex Dally Macfarlane made a call earlier this year for a vision of post-binary gender in SF, her intelligent argument was met with predictably intractable ignorance from conservative sci-fi fans. For writers and fans like Larry Correia, whose virulent attack on MacFarlane was excellently dissected by Jim C Hines, sex is a biological imperative and the idea of gender as a social construct is a damn liberal lie! But Correia boils it down to a much simpler argument. However accurate a queer future might be, SF authors must continue to pander to the bigotry of conservative readers if they want to be “commercial”.”

The whole thing can be boiled down to “predictably intractable ignorance from conservative sci-fi fans” and “the bigotry of conservative readers”.

So, just another not very clever intolerant prick out to trash anybody not in his group. Substitute “Jewish” or “Black” for “conservative” to get the full effect.

Haterz gonna hate.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Do remember it was Seanan McGuire who started the FATwa against Ross. She claims to be an “Award winning” stand up comic.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Who?

What was the award? “Person nobody had heard of until she attacked her betters”?

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

“FATwa” I see what you did there. You owe me a new can of Diet Mountain Dew!

Guest
dave
1 year 3 months ago

Yeah, that Mountain Dew is rough when it comes out your nose.

Guest
Expendable Henchman
1 year 3 months ago

Just picked several 2 liter bottles of Diet Dew at Walmart for $1 each. You might want to check your area.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Thanks, I’ll stock up during our Walmart run before the weekend!

Guest
Radioactive
1 year 3 months ago

No SLIMwa?

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Thanks Mike. I needed a reason to want a “like” button on WP :D

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Her theatrics really pissed me off because I was kind of addicted to her October Daye series and now its ruined. :-(

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Ditto, I liked her stuff as well. Now it’s spoiled in the same way that I find out an actor or actress I liked was a lefty douchecanoe. :-/

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

My MIL had an expression for that type of hissy fit: “showing your behind” – and that’s really what it was – Ms. McGuire couldn’t bring herself to behave professionally (forget like a lady) – she just showed her behind to all.

Guest
Fail Burton
1 year 3 months ago

Actually is was feminist and SFF scholar Farah Mendlesohn who got the ball rolling by quitting the Hugos in protest and sending out emails. Charles Stross was in early too. But that was because of the time-zone difference. McGuire started her apoplexy and weeping act as soon as she woke up East Coast time and ate a raw deer.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Her tweet when she found out about Rossy:

Seanan McGuire ‏@seananmcguire · Mar 1
I was supposed to be safe at Worldcon. I was supposed to be safe at the Hugos. I voted for you, @loncon3, because you said I’d be safe.

Guest
Fail Burton
1 year 3 months ago

Turn’s out Ross was McGuire’s Horla. Who knew Horla’s were real? And that they were anti-all-you-can-eat-buffets?

Guest
Rob Crawford
1 year 3 months ago

Stross has indulged in one of these hissy-fits?

Man, I knew there was a reason I’ve never read anything he’s written outside of alt.peeves.

Guest
DaveP.
1 year 3 months ago

Let’s not forget that this is the woman in whose zombie novel, in the middle of the Land of the Dead, the main charachter goes off on a tirade about how gun laws aren’t stiff enough and anyone who wants to liberalize them has blood on their hands.
No, really.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

DaveP, I just… she what?

To quote the great Dr. Venkman, “You know, I have met some dumb blondes in my life, but you take the taco, pal.” Adjust to her proper hair color and preference for address.

Guest
DaveP.
1 year 3 months ago

Adam, No foolin’.
She writes under the pseudonym of “Mira Grant”, and about halfway through ‘Feed’ her blogger/journalist is interviewing a horrible heinous reichwinger presidential candidate and runs him over the rocks about how he wants to liberalize gun laws, and isn’t he afraid there’ll be an upswing in murders disguised as zombie-killings?
This is about a chapter before her brother abandons his guns (with the special ammo that’s so dangerous that he had to study for a month and take a government test to get licensed to carry…yes, really) for a crossbow to take out a zombie that is threatening her. Why did he abandon his perfectly usable guns? Well, if he didn’t… he wouldn’t have to use the crossbow, and there wouldn’t have been as much dramatic tension.
Yup.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

And for the best take on “award winning,” I give you the late, great Roger Ebert:

http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/deuce-bigalow-european-gigolo-2005

Guest
rocinante2
1 year 3 months ago

The really fun part of all this is that I hadn’t even *heard* of Seanan McGuire before all this, but now I will never. read. any. of. her. stuff. ever.

I also made the mistake of searching for some images. Jebus….

Guest
Ted N
1 year 3 months ago

I was half interested in the Feed series, thought the back sounded like something new.

Now that I know it’s message fic, I’ll pass.

Guest
Pellegri
1 year 3 months ago

Don’t. She’s unreadable anyway.

I tried starting her latest series (written as Mira Grant) which sounds amazing (gengineered tapeworm symbionts become sentient and start taking over their human hosts!) but couldn’t get past the first thirty pages because it reads like a YA novel targeted at teenage girls. And her attempts to write like a scientist are laughably bad.

Guest
Scott
1 year 3 months ago

Even better… gender-bent characters that love low taxes and the 2nd amendment, and outsell all the SJW message fic by a mile. That’ll really piss ‘em off.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Log Cabin Outer-Space Republicans? ;-p

Guest
Expendable Henchman
1 year 3 months ago

I wore a Log Cabin Republicans pin last time I went to a political rally! I had *both* sides looking at me crossways. (Not gay, but the uptight branch of the Repubs biting their tongues, while the cognitive dissonance of the Dem’s not being sure if it was OK to hate me was totally worth it.)

I still remember with great affection my booming reply to the Demwit who asked me if I was a teabagger. I happily and enthusiastically accepted his offer as ‘I hadn’t had time to shower that morning, and would appreciate his tongue bathing my scrotum clean.’

“But… I didn’t mean to insult..”
“You lying f***. You meant to insult the hell out of me. And now you’re trying to weasel out of your promised blowjob. Lying crapweasel!”

Lefties collapse when you get in their faces in real life. He expected a proper republican gentleman who would quietly endure his insult, and probably not even know what teabagging even was.

His stock did not rise with his peers that day.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Heh, thanks, that was great…. I just woke my wife up, couldn’t stifle the laughter :-)

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Armed and dangerous lesbians hunting tax collectors… yeah I could read that. ~:)

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Uh… read A Few Good Men… Mine, not the movie novelization!

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Oh, yeah, someone asked if my evangelical readers weren’t upset. I said “no” BUT what I should have said was “no. They were too busy chortling over the book making vile prog’s heads explode. :-P

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

I bought it already, its sitting waiting for me to have five minutes in a row to read it.

Now I know it has lesbian tax collector hunters, I’ll make the time. :)

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

No. Sorry. It has gay guys who fight for freedom… :-P
I promise Lesbian Tax Collector hunters as a cameo in one of the Earth revolution books, though. Any names you want me to give them?

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Call them Jola and Eden. Two girls I used to know. Back in the day they were hawt! Not gay, but so, so hot. Ah, youth. :)

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Just made a note ;)

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Lesbian tax collector name? Hillary.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

That would be the Best Top Gear Episode. EVER. You’d need a big MHI sticker to put on the Stig’s helmet.

Also, I’m totally saving this quote for future use. It’s gonna make someone furious :-).
“Libprogs want conservatives to be silent. Conservatives want libprogs to keep talking so the world can see just how full of shit they are.” – Larry Correia

Guest
hilljohnny
1 year 3 months ago

if you teepee Piers just tape one square to his front door. as far as Damian and his “queer future” he is probably dying to come out of the closet. not because he is gay but because all the cool kids are and he feels left out.

Guest

[…] “Libprogs want conservatives to be silent. Conservatives want libprogs to keep talking so the world c…“ –Larry F. Correia, International Lord of Hate […]

Guest
Nomad
1 year 3 months ago

Mr. Correria!
I am shocked and appalled at the incredibly serious mistake you have made in your post.
How could you, as (a person who claimes to be) a red blooded make such a grievous and unforgivable mistake!

It is Lara Croft! None of your cheap imitation knock-off laura croft please.

That, “extremely” important topic aside, is it me or are these brave internet [s]trolls[/s] warriors getting worse with each successive batch? I like a good frisking as any other reader but these last batches of “defenders of truth” feel hardly worth the effort.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

First, I still want a lair, preferably in an extinct vulcan or volcano or something. Second you forgot the part where Damian should pull up his socks. Third, I bet Baen writers write much better (and heroes) gay characters than the cis-whiner crowd. And that’s why they hate us.

Guest
dave
1 year 3 months ago

a shot in the dark! an abandoned missile silo, strange radiation lighting the western sky….and mystery.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

If the future is queer, then I hope I die soon. Not because I have a problem with gay people. Far from it. However, the people who tend to use the word “queer” these days are the SJW types who want to tell me I’m a bad parent because I pointed out to my son that princesses are girls, while princes are boys.

I know, my hatred knows no bounds.

Guest
CombatMissionary
1 year 3 months ago

You CISmale hatey hate-monger, you!
I’m going to the CISmale prison in the queer future because I’ve got my kids enrolled in MMA, and I’m teaching them firearms and archery. You know, tools for the oppression of the minority, or whatever SJW accusation they can come up with. I look forward to shaking your hand when I get there.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

I can respect that on all counts. The only reason my son isn’t in MMA right now is because there aren’t any schools in the area that will teach his age (almost 13). The only school only teaches adults for liability reasons.

As for the rest, I’m working on that with both kids (son now and daughter as soon as she’s old enough).

Oh, and saying, “You CISmale hatey hate-monger, you!” is the nicest thing anyone’s ever said to me. [sniff] Thanks!

Guest
Expendable Henchman
1 year 3 months ago

@Tom: A guy who’s proven his martial arts ability in ways I hope to never experience recommends Gracie Ju-Jitsu to learn grappling and Mui Tai to learn stick fighting (which translates directly to knives).

Power yoga for overall fitness and flexibility, since strength and flexibility make for a long life. Especially when two hostile people are grabbing at the same thing when it’s ‘winner take all’. He wind sprints, because open streets are a target range.

He rides his people hard on training and conditioning. A great many of them over the years have come back to him and thanked him for being alive because of it.

Lastly, remind your kids “If you’re ever in a fair fight, you’ve screwed up big time.”

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Actually, the “MMA school” I was talking about was actually Gracie BJJ that throws in some striking. They won’t take the kiddo yet. No Mu Tai schools at all in the area.

Luckily, my kiddo isn’t doing too badly. After months of harassment by another kid who thought my son was a soft mark, my son thoroughly beat the ever loving snot out of him without the little douche bag ever landing a punch.

When other kids in In-School Suspension were trying to pick on him, a group of girls who witnessed the fight told the other kids to watch it, because my son would kick their asses.

When the girls are warning others about your prowess, you have reached a certain level of bad ass I guess. :)

Guest
CombatMissionary
1 year 3 months ago

The kids have a lot to live up to. Grandpa once got in a fight with about 25 gangbangers… and was checking the newspapers for a couple weeks to see if he’d killed anyone in the process of winning the fight. Walked through NY Central Park at midnight on a dare in the 70’s. His advice was, “The fight’s not over until somebody’s on the ground and not moving.”
You don’t mess with cowboys.

Guest
dgarsys
1 year 3 months ago

Oh, I do one better. I point out that rarely in any fairy tale is the princess anything but a spoiled, over-sensitive brat. “But they’re refined” my ass… Any woman who can’t deal with a lump in her bed through more than one mattress is far too fragile to deal with reality.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

True enough.

That’s the reason I married a real woman, and no fairy tale princess. Even if they existed, I’d have had to pass. Way too much drama for me. :)

Guest
SirBrass
1 year 3 months ago

I want a fantasy princess who kicks ass and takes names… kind of like Julie. A real man likes a woman who can take care of business and still act like a lady.

Viking maiden princesses for all! :P

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Mmmmmmm…..Viking maidens. :D

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

How about a fairy princess who uses a grenade launcher to take out an ogre?

Guest
CombatMissionary
1 year 3 months ago

Sounds like my mom. When I was in school, I used to tell guys, “My mom can beat up your dad.”

Guest
Ross K. Wolfe
1 year 3 months ago

You weren’t slandered… In print it’s “libel”.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Trouble is, this isn’t actually going to hurt Larry’s reputation. At least, not with anybody that matters. His bottom line will likely see some upward movement from all the free publicity. Speaking of which, Larry, got any openings for junior hate-masters?

Guest
Ross K. Wolfe
1 year 3 months ago

I think that would make you a “hate apprentice”. A hateprentice?

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

To learn at the feet of the master? Don’t really care what the label is. Labels are for lefties, anyway . . .

Guest
Geodkyt
1 year 3 months ago

There are always two — the Master and his apprentice.

Guest
robert blecke
1 year 3 months ago

I look forward to that epsiode of Top Gear. I am sure Clarkson would be up for it.

Guest
Jriles
1 year 3 months ago

Larry,

You should abuse the British Justice System the same way that everyone else has. Britain has some very plaintiff friendly libel and slander laws that have led to some interesting tourist attractions. (see link) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel_tourism

You have already made the libprogs cry, now do what they claim you do when you write bestselling novels that push them out of the market, and take their money.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Hmm reading the comments I noticed that apparently Tom Kratman offended their community standards.

I’m shocked, shocked I say by this totally unexpected outcome…. :)

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Knowing Tom, he probably did it while being very polite too. :)

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

I just spent about an hour and a half reading all the different ins and outs of this issue (via Correia’s links). It was entertaining… and long. I can see both point of views, but can’t help agreeing with the International Lord of Hate’s perspective—must be because there’s more legitimate reasoning involved on his part.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Woah. Larry, you take the phrase “Fire for effect!” to a whole new level.

And I’m shamelessly stealing that libprog quote for my WTA signature. With proper accreditation, of course.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

On behalf of my country, I would like to apologise for The Guardian.

Guest
SirBrass
1 year 3 months ago

Apology accepted. I know some perfectly conservative Brits that I think would have made excellent and commendable American Patriots had they been born here.

You conservative Brits are some of the most excellent of people :).

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

I’ll forgive Britain a lot just for samizdata.net.

Guest
DaveP.
1 year 3 months ago

Not necessary, brother. We have our own fools too.

Guest
Tommytrauma
1 year 3 months ago

Larry, let me know when you start recruiting evil minion non-coms.

Guest

[…] was reading Larry Correia’s blog, Monster Hunter Nation. In today’s episode, he has been subject to a ritual shaming by the Guardian so-called newspaper of some country our […]

Guest
dave
1 year 3 months ago

“Earth going full Sparta” do you mean the planet going completely militaristic with small boys being taken from thier families and being raised in barracks enduring harsh training and gay sexual antics with their instructors and fellow trainees until they reach the age where they are taken and married to a woman whom they have never met and told to reproduce for the glory of Sparta because if they don’t the population of slaves ,none of which are black, will revolt and over throw the country? That going full Sparta?

Guest
tuco
1 year 3 months ago

Haters gonna hate. This is proven by Larry’s hateful message of, and I’m paraphrasing here, “write whatever you want as long as it doesn’t suck.” Larry, your seething hatred for sucky writing is turning off fans left and right, I’m sure. You would have such a larger fan base if you would just embrace writing that sucks and not be so hatey. Your hatefulness toward suckage totally eclipses the inclusiveness of your “write whatever you want” message, so that portion will from now on be ignored forcing me to label you as being, duh duh duuuhhhhh, exclusive.

Guest
Geodkyt
1 year 3 months ago

Yes, Larry has utterly lost the oh-so-powerful niche market of “People who WANT their entertainment to suck”. {grin}

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

It looks like Kratman’s comments over there got censored.

What shock.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

I absolutely love how Larry can take any piece of crap thrown at him and turn it to his advantage. The more hate that is spewed at him the stronger he gets, the more money he makes, and the happier his fan base is! These are the traits of a brilliant general or a genius, possibly both.

Let the naysayers attack him, it only lends him strength! He’ll just take their garbage and recycle it into something far better. Gotta love it! I wish you luck winning the Hugo sir!

Guest
SirBrass
1 year 3 months ago

Larry claims to be a literary tetsubo, but he humbly forgets to mention all the literary akido he tosses in to turn libprog attacks back on themselves ;).

Guest
CombatMissionary
1 year 3 months ago

Literary Corbomite?

Guest
CombatMissionary
1 year 3 months ago

Does this mean that all your releases through Baen will have the name “Larry F. Correia, International Lord of Hate” on the cover? Or will that be for special editions in the future?

Will you be modifying your autograph?
:D

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

I think we’re going to need some Official International Lord of Hate Minion Goggles ™ to wear.

Guest
Blond_Engineer
1 year 3 months ago

Or at least a patch. I’d totally wear that.

Guest
Grayson
1 year 3 months ago

Not just goggles – I’d recommend almost anything, but I’m partial to the Eye Safety Systems brand – but I’m hoping for the O.K. for minion NCOs to privately purchase Saiga automatic shotguns with mounted 40mm grenade launchers.
Or, would that be considered a tad excessive? :D

Guest
CombatMissionary
1 year 3 months ago

Will we see a licensed Hate Minion edition snow cutter, a la the Harley Davidson F-150’s?

Guest
dyingearth
1 year 3 months ago

Larry needs to get the badge and coin made out of International Lord of Hate ™ made ASAP. And you better register the trademark now.

Guest
joecrouse
1 year 3 months ago

I was just suggesting to A Lee Martinez that he should do a few Merchandizing items as It seems to do pretty good for Mr Corriea and for Howard Taylor

Guest

For the record, if he does this I will cheerfully give him more of my money for it.

Guest
Geodkyt
1 year 3 months ago

I WANT THAT on my next signed copy!!! It’ll go so well with the MHI sketch!

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Just read John C. Wright’s write-up; Wow, that was the most polite verbal whuppin’ I’ve ever read. Outstanding!

Guest
SirBrass
1 year 3 months ago

I almost needed a dictionary to read that ass-whuppin’. It was wonderful and scathing and geeze I need to read it again :P.

Guest
jack
1 year 3 months ago

I caught John Wright’s work of art. Yes, it was a whooping. Or, to state another way, I felt the need to lay forth about head, shoulders, buttocks, anything really in range, using my trusty walking cane.
Now, I have no idea if Mr. Wright uses a walking cane. He may want to get one. I just hope I never offend either or both of you.
I’m well into the first novella of Awake in the Night Lands. That thing is unbelievable. I will want to praise it on Amazon but don’t think I’m worthy enough.

Guest
Balesirion
1 year 3 months ago

Mr. Wright doesn’t just have a cane, he has a sword cane!

Guest
Expendable Henchman
1 year 3 months ago

John C. Wright, was just withering.

If he were to ever have cause to say similar of me, I’d probably apologize to my family and change my name.

Guest
johncwright2001
1 year 3 months ago

“Now, I have no idea if Mr. Wright uses a walking cane.”

I carry a sword cane.

Not to worry, you are worthy to praise any book you like. We authors work for you. The reader is the boss. When the Wormtongue takes tax money to pay for his unreadable manuscript, it is not we real writers he offends: it is you readers. He is usurping your sovereign authority.

Guest
SirBrass
1 year 3 months ago

You, sir, are a badass and a wordsmith.

Carry on :D.

Guest
Fail Burton
1 year 3 months ago

Damien Walter: anti-Lusophone, anti-Latino, anti-cis-people, International Lordette of Love. Probably doesn’t like cis-Fado or cis-Samba. Typical Portuguese-hater.

Walter’s in Chiang Mai now. I was there once. It was common for “things” with pancake batter on their faces to come up to me and my buddy at night and say “Me half boy half girl [redacted]”

Guest
SirBrass
1 year 3 months ago

To wit, I respond, “Cis-wtf?” :D

Guest

[…] Monster Hunter Nation. Thanks to Larry Correia for the link and everyone here at MGC bows down to Larry, International Lord of Hate […]

Guest
av willis
1 year 3 months ago

I thought it was kind of funny that if you go down through the comments,one person actually makes a similar argument to your rebuttal, including citing the internet arguing, quoting some of the same parts of the article, and pointing out the counter-fisking. The authors response?
“Counter-fisking? Hmmm…. sounds kinky.”

And yet the core of his argument is based off of an article by Jim C Hines. An article that is by definition a counter-fisking.
Incidentally, if you hear a loud whistling noise in the air, don’t be alarmed; it’s not an IDF, it’s the sound of irony going over the author’s head. Which wouldn’t be so bad if he actually had a counter-point. He doesn’t. At this point, I’m pretty sure he’s ducked into his government funded flat/foxhole sipping tea in a state of shell shock and contemplating the maelstrom he’s unleashed upon the world.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Of course I used Larry’s checklist when responding to something purporting to be a response to Larry’s work.

Now we ought to see whether journalistic practice at al-Ghardian is to allow a rebuttal, and make them host a copy of this post. :evil:

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

(Wrong smiley; that should have been :twisted: .)

Guest
arbilad
1 year 3 months ago

An excellent example of your premise is the book Outies. It was written by the daughter of Jerry Pournelle, and is the third book in a very solid SF series, but the book itself is awful because it pushes a message over all else.

Guest
Rob Crawford
1 year 3 months ago

Thank you for saying this — I thought it was just me!

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

“Yes, I’m sure in the future the Space Caliphate is just going to love it some gay folks.”

Space Caliphate. Is that where they launch 3 rockets, photoshop in 30 or 40 more, yet none of them make it to orbit?

Guest
Expendable Henchman
1 year 3 months ago

Go to liveleak and search “gay hanging”

The executed homosexuals swinging from industrial cranes aren’t photoshopped.

Guest
Geodkyt
1 year 3 months ago

Before we get to interplanetary or interstellar colonization in any significant form, the ships will be standard production items, easily built by almost any nation that wants to, and available for “cash and carry” by any that doesn’t want to bother with the shipyard infrastructure.

Sure, Muslim nations -currently- cannot produce high tech missiles and fourth generation fighters from scratch. But, to use the example of Iran, produce viable military aircraft in-country. Sure, it’s not NATO first tier stuff, but it’s serviceable.

Guest
Geodkyt
1 year 3 months ago

For certain, Muslim dictatorial theocracies will have an easier time _filling_ the colonization ships, and certainly will have at least competitive birth rates. . .

Guest
rd
1 year 3 months ago

Geodkyt,

For a possible view of that universe, read “A Desert Called Peace” by Tom Kratman. It is for sale by Baen Books, or available in their free library.

Guest
SirBrass
1 year 3 months ago

I generally approve of Carerra’s way of handling the muslims terrorists in the first two novels :D.

Guest
glowworm6
1 year 3 months ago

Didn’t Lois McMaster Bujold write a novel based on the premise of a planet without women. I don’t remember the title. It came out about the same time as Warrior’s Apprentice. As I recall it was about a man’s interaction when he had to go out into the two sex world.

Wish I remember the title.

Guest
jabrwok
1 year 3 months ago

Ethan of Athos.

Guest
Wes S.
1 year 3 months ago

Vox Day took a swipe at Damien as well a couple of days ago:

“And that is what fundamentally separates Pink SF/F from Blue SF/F. We tell stories to entertain the reader and make him think. They print propaganda to lecture the reader and stop him from thinking. We ask ‘what if?’ They assert ‘it will be so!'”

And it just infuriates the Damiens of the world that we’re too busy reading Correia (and Weber, and Kratman, and Hoyt, and Williamson, etc.) to even notice them, much less pay attention to their arguments. Which, I suspect, is one reason they keep picking these ridiculous Internet slap-fights.

(Hmmm. “Larry Correia, Official Magnet for International Leftist Douchebags…?” No, perhaps not.)

As for John C. Wright’s observation on what kind of “writer” would be taking a government subsidy to practice his craft, well, Soviet fiction was just full of such people; I had to suffer through quite a bit of that crap in college literature courses.

IMHO, it’s no coincidence that Damien is writing for the Guardian… ;)

Guest
SteveS
1 year 3 months ago

I have followed the complaints of people like Damian and I keep wondering who is listening? I know more than a few people that I would consider very liberal and a fair number read Sci-Fi/Fanstasy. We often trade books and read many of the same authors. I find it difficult to believe that most of the book buying public envisions the same thing as Damian.

Guest
me
1 year 3 months ago

I am hardly the first to note this, but one of the many annoying things about people like Mr. Walter is their lack of knowledge of the field about which they pontificate.

He’s talking about “gender fluidity” in science fiction, yet he never seems to have read the late Jack Chalker, who appears to have been obsessed with the idea, to the point where certain of his novels read less like a story in the conventional sense and more like a guided tour of his sexual fetishes and fantasies.

Not that anything’s wrong with that, of course, if that is what the reader is looking for. I wasn’t, so of course his work didn’t do much for me.

Nonetheless, Mr. Walter’s ignorance is showing.

Guest
Geodkyt
1 year 3 months ago

heh. That’s why I bailed out on the Well of Souls series. . .

Guest
dgarsys
1 year 3 months ago

I figured he was talking the Flux and Anchor series.

But yeah, transformations, including Gender, are a constant theme in his work.

Guest
Darren Jones
1 year 3 months ago

Oh, good, glad I’m not the only one who bailed on that.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

I recall enjoying Four Lords of the Diamond, but read them decades ago, when I was a teenager. Never tried anything else by him.

Guest
Michael Gilson
1 year 3 months ago

Oddly enough, this week’s installment of “Does Not Play Well With Others” was about a fun way with dealing with projectionists who claim you are the aggressor against them.

http://www.doesnotplaywellwithothers.com/

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

I laughed

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

CombatMissionary,

WW was a child actor who played the most obnoxious character in Trek.

He was basically destined to be warped with liberal thoughts. ;)

Guest
CombatMissionary
1 year 3 months ago

Touche. Touche. Alas, the poor boy was typecast from the womb.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

I feel his pain. I’ve been typecast as a drunk conservative a-hole.

(Excuse me while I hit “replay” on Casablanca)

Guest
Synova
1 year 3 months ago

If I watch the earlier TNG episodes I find him horribly annoying, but *at the time* they first aired I liked the character a whole lot… mostly because he was geeky and super smart and wanted so very much to be just like his dad.

Guest
C.S.Gilmore
1 year 3 months ago

Bwahahahaha!!! They never learn do they. Despite the fact that they keep passing the argument torch on to new people, they seem to be getting worse and worse, not better and better.

Also none of them seem to be able to actually hold up a real argument. if they were in a situation where they had to put up a reasonable argument or else be killed they would be dead in no time.

I hope you make it onto top gear Larry. That would be awesome.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

One goal of common core is apparently to teach children how to build an argument, so maybe they’ll eventually get better. Kind-of doubt it, though. Hard to argue reasonably when you don’t have facts to back you up.

Guest
DaveP.
1 year 3 months ago

“In the future, everyone will be offended for fifteen minutes.”

Guest
Austin
1 year 3 months ago

That was a very hateful post Larry. You’re a racist hatey hate monger, cismale gender normative fascist, white supremacist who’s not a real author.

And I don’t like the tone you’re using!

Guest
oldnfo
1 year 3 months ago

Well done as always Larry… LOL

Guest
Expendable Henchman
1 year 3 months ago

Larry,

You’re pining for some right hand drive piece of British econobox shit on their tiny track? Seriously?

You live next to Miller Motorsports Park. They sell high performance driving lessons, in real high performance cars. On the best autocross track in the country. Their driving schools are certainly in your price range.

Give them a call, and when you get to Top Gear, you might score well enough to get your name near the top of the board, with all the free advertising that will entail.

Or take an Offensive driving school. They exist, and when the lefty zombies take over, you might be able to get away. Or save your own (and kids’) skin on some winter night of icy panic.

Guest
DaveP.
1 year 3 months ago

As far as Geenius Boy’s use of the name of Iain M. Banks to conjure with…
First, I don’t think ANYBODY read Banks because of ‘gender roles’. They read him beacuse he could flat-out write.
Second, in the “queer-positive” Culture that Banks was basing his stories in, human gender didn’t matter… because humans didn’t matter. The Culture was controlled by AI’s and they were about as interested in the freedoms and opinions of the humans involved as I am in consulting with the spiders in my crawlspace. Humanity could lose itself in hedonsim because nothing of significance was being asked of it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Damien thought the sacrifice was worth it.

Guest
Ben
1 year 3 months ago

Someone pointed out that the Minds in the Culture were a stand-in for Banks and his fellow Euro-lefties – just put the proper Top Men in charge and socialism works! (still enjoy the hell out his writing, though).

Guest
SirBrass
1 year 3 months ago

That’s a dystopia I could easily do without

Guest
center45
1 year 3 months ago

Love it.

Guest
RedJack
1 year 3 months ago

This, and the column on John Wright’s blog, is like watching artillery and snipers take out a position. Massive fire for effect, followed by pinpoint strikes to take out any survivors.

Just wow.

Guest
Radioactive
1 year 3 months ago

If only it was a live fire exercise…

Guest
CombatMissionary
1 year 3 months ago

If it were a live fire exercise, these Guardian types would quickly sneeze and blow their own brains out.

Guest
Patrick Chester
1 year 3 months ago

Only International? Why not Galactic or similar? ;-D

Guest
rd
1 year 3 months ago

How about INTERGALACTIC Hatemaster?

But then Larry would have to go through the enormous expense of reprinting the business cards. /sarc

OR Larry could hand out the “old” business cards as limited edition hatemaster cards?

Guest
Radioactive
1 year 3 months ago

I was thinking Interstellar or Multiverse…let’s not limit the HATE

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

The Hatemaster… is he related to the Shockmaster?

Guest
Khazlek
1 year 3 months ago

Overall, a fine response to a silly article.

Larry, you are a *real* writer because you write stuff that is worth reading. I just learned about you and was pleased to nominate Warbound for a Hugo. Your ability to manipulate Amazon sales rankings on behalf of your friends make you a *real* promoter, a separate and often valuable skill.

I doubt that The Guardian is very interested in who wins Hugo awards. I wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t aware of their existence.

Sadly, you aren’t sufficiently famous in Britain to drive the reasonably priced car; so why not skip that part and invite Jeremy for a TPing?

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Messages in fiction is like feces in filets mignon: no matter how prime a cut of meat, how great the chef, or how skillfully prepared, it’s still a piece of meat with shit on top.

Keep your dirty, dirty politics out of my entertainment, because I don’t need your shit.

Guest
SlipperySnake
1 year 3 months ago

Persecution complex fed, lol. Does anyone care that some dick wrote this that limp-dicked article in The Gaurdian? Larry I like your books but this is pretty sad, quoted half sentences followed by paragraphs of conservative catch words. Presenting a counter argument just kind of makes you look retarded when it is so self-explanatory.

I like the simplistic fantasy environments your politics lead to with clear right and wrong, a 90’s understanding of race (captain planet style, token characters of each race at least in MH), and ridiculously overachieving characters. When you start spouting it outside of a fantasy context it make you look fairly ignorant about politics. Anyone who has followed politics for any length of time has to realize that the idea of two sides or one that is ‘right’ is ridiculous. Politics is just bullshit oversimplifications of complex issues for chumps to eat up.

I guess I will finish up with a Correia style rebuttal.

“Holy shit. As an actual novelist, that’s funny. And I thought my government was stupid.”

Get out your sweater vest, chalkboard and glasses so you can college education here Glenn Beck. ‘The Government’ should be treated as a single entity and rather than deal with complex issues we should just simplify everything so that it doesn’t work equally. I guess our government is nearly as retarded because they subsidize the college education necessary for many authors. This guy calling someone else a pussy when he dedicates a whole blog post to his hurt feelings from some random dude in another country. I am glad you came out guns blazing to own a guy complaining about how fiction wasn’t gay or accurate enough.

Larry I like your stuff but as a conservative author, I wish you were a little less conservative and a little more author. Thanks, MORE BOOKS!

Guest
Ad Astra
1 year 3 months ago

“Get out your sweater vest, chalkboard and glasses so you can college education here Glenn Beck.”

Am I the only one who can’t find a coherent sentence in those words?

“I guess our government is nearly as retarded because they subsidize the college education necessary for many authors.”

A college education is necessary to be an author? I thought all you needed was basic grammar skills and the ability to tell an engaging story.

Guest
SlipperySnake
1 year 3 months ago

At least point out the irony of talking about a college education in a non-sentence, lol.

Again, that ‘many’ seems to mean ‘all’ for some people. I guess to take it to the opposite extreme; a college education wasn’t necessary to the success of some authors?

Guest
dgarsys
1 year 3 months ago

@SlipperySnake

Well – your name befits you. No, that’s not really meant as a compliment, but more a reference to the twists and turns you take to remold the truth.

Your opening opus was full of half-truths who’s base and implicit assumptions betray far better what worldview you approach this from, and it is not the one you claimed.

I’ll take one example – your statement on how there were two sides and neither were ever going to be the truth.

I’m so glad that in all my years on this ball of rock, lava, and dihidrogen monoxide, that I never figured that out. In a universe with chaotic propagation, hidden information, and limited scopes of knowledge and processing capability, never mind a core law of physics that tells us – barring a complete rethinking of how the universe works – that we never CAN know everything and have to go on incomplete knowledge, and no one answer can fit all circumstances, that somehow no-one in a two sided argument would be perfectly in accordance with truth and fact.

The problem is that in staring so long and hard at this particular tree – one our progressive friends love to dredge up and beat people with, you miss the forest.

Both sides can indeed be grossly wrong. OTOH, more usually, one side or the other is far more approximately closer to being correct. Often enough, they may be as close as realistically possible, given people, exceptions, etc. To borrow from Neal Stephenson, but we are made up of those who – by luck or deliberate choice – managed to at least avoid making the “wrong” choices long enough to sire another generation, and have our culture survive to this day.

There are, even as difficult as it is to philosophically nail down, such things as objective truths and ideals – even abstract ones.

Those who claim otherwise come from a place where there are no truths.

And so you betray yourself.

Guest
SlipperySnake
1 year 3 months ago

@dgarsys

You seem to think that by me stating that political issues are complex I am saying that they are subjective. That isn’t it at all, it isn’t unknowable it is just hard.

Complex is not impossible. If you spend any amount of time just looking at local politics you will understand just how complicated it is. Then multiply this on a national scale to be condensed into two sides on every issue. You can’t tell me it isn’t absurd.

May their be a perfect balance of our freedoms and responsibilities? Possibly, but I don’t think the oversimplified and manufactured two sides has anything to do with it.

I guess I find the the use of bullshit catchphrases a particularly galling example of how far this oversimplification can go.

Guest
dgarsys
1 year 3 months ago

@Slippery Snake

I am so glad that you’ve pointed out to me how “complex” politics could be. In my more than twoscore years on this planet, I have never realized this.

Bravo! Bravo!

Has it occurred to you, your condescensionness, that perhaps we DO understand how complicated it is? Nah – you’re too busy telling us how stupid we are, and how we don’t understand anything, much less what you plainly said and what that necessarily implies.

Guest
CombatMissionary
1 year 3 months ago

If you don’t get a college education, how will you have the tools you need to ham-fistedly shove your message down the throats of all those ignorant proles who prove constantly that they don’t know what’s good for them by failing to buy your books?
[INSERT COMMENT ABOUT EATING YOUR PEAS HERE]

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

” I guess our government is nearly as retarded because they subsidize the college education necessary for many authors.”

College education is necessary? Oh well, then. I guess I should give up, since I skipped out on college to join the Navy and then go to work instead. Since I didn’t get that college education, clearly I don’t get to be a writer.

Oh, wait, I just realized something. I don’t give a flying fuck what this douchenozzle thinks, since clearly he’s a complete and total moron. I feel much better now.

Guest
SlipperySnake
1 year 3 months ago

Yup, I claimed to be the arbiter of whether people could be writers or not. Also when I said “many writers” I meant ‘all writers’ so thanks for putting that into a context that fits with your bullshit.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

As opposed to the stream of bullshit you spewed?

Honestly, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt as it was. If you’re going to pitch a bitch fit about that, then you’re about as useful as used toilet paper.

Guest
dgarsys
1 year 3 months ago

Tom – here he’s flat out denying the plain meaning of what was said. And then twisted it around. So our resident jailhouse lawyer and goalpost mover focused on the difference between many and all when you are plainly disputing that college be considered “necessary” at all.

He also repeatedly confuses “complex” with “more advanced”. And is still unwise enough to talk about “oversimplified” in matters where he doesn’t understand decision scoping.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Of course.

What he doesn’t get is that college screws up as many, if not more writers every year as it helps. The truth is, many writers (maybe even most) learn how to write through discussion, trial and error, and workshops that exist outside of college.

There are a lot of MFA graduates who have never sold a single story, after all. Meanwhile, there are guys like Larry, John Ringo, Michael Z. Williamson, and Sarah Hoyt, just to name a couple, who honed their craft well outside of the walls of college.

Of course, with a name like “SlipperySnake”, what did we expect?

Guest
dgarsys
1 year 3 months ago

I have an architect client who – if it weren’t for the degree requirements to get an Architects license above and beyond proven journeyman time and passing cert tests – absolutely loves his HS interns and would rather hire them and train them to standard than hire college graduates.

Why?

He has to untrain the college grads.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

I’m not surprised. What’s amusing is that Frank Lloyd Wright, one of the greatest architects of all time, would even be able to work today with the rules the way they are.

He apprenticed.

Guest
CombatMissionary
1 year 3 months ago

That got me thinking about the time my doctor sent me to a sports medicine clinic because of back problems. Every time I went over there they would have these high school girl interns giving me back massages. [CLOSES EYES, GRITS TEETH] “I’M A MARRIED SPUD, I’M A MARRIED SPUD!”

Guest
SlipperySnake
1 year 3 months ago

Lol, so apparently none of you have a college education and you are proud of it. This reverence for ignorance is hilarious, yup college is brainwashing everyone. Pursuing your education to make more money means that whenever you argue with someone you are the arrogant one talking down to them. I mean after all Jesus didn’t have a college education and he turned out alright. I mean lets just ignore that stats and bring of examples of guys we know for the ‘truth’.

Fuck, I could even agree with your crazy idea that college screws up more writers than it helps and my point would still stand. For many authors it was necessary and so what if for many it wasn’t. I guess I could present a list myself but it seems a little silly when you guys are so determined to misinterpret my words.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Did you eat paint chips as a child? Seriously?

Who the fuck said shit about ignorance being revered? Oh wait, the same fuck who can’t communicate a coherent thought if his life was on the line.

Guest
dgarsys
1 year 3 months ago

Lol, so apparently none of you have a college education and you are proud of it. This reverence for ignorance is hilarious, yup college is brainwashing everyone

Son – your willingness to misstate and misunderstand is worthy of your chosen name. You lack the moral courage to stake out your territory, metaphorical, intellectual, and I suspect literal, and defend it.

I’ve forgotten more languages than the several I speak, and my careers, plural, have included nuclear steam plant mechanic (and submariner), Quality Assurance, HVAC repair, Programming, Manufacturing systems analysis, network engineering, and computer systems administration.

I also literally have a larger library than a couple of the local schools. That doesn’t include the books I’ve thrown out over the years in repeated moves. Half of it is technical or historical.

You’ll find that “willfully ignorant” describes very few people around here – you’ll have more luck looking in a mirror.

You might also want to consider the reading level of many people entering college these days, vs what used to be considered normal high, and even middle school reading.

Your ongoing posts are shrill bleatings from someone too willfully ignorant to acknowledge that “going to college” is NOT the same thing as “being educated” – it is but one possible path, and one that carries with it its own blinkers if not leavened by experience. Again – learn some history. There’s these things called facts. And philosophy. They may surprise you.

Finally – your overbearing condescension is insulting. You owe an apology.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

“Lol, so apparently none of you have a college education and you are proud of it. This reverence for ignorance is hilarious, yup college is brainwashing everyone.”

That would be funnier if college -wasn’t- mostly brainwashing.

I have two degrees, a BA in Anthropology earned in the 1970’s and an MSc in Physical Therapy earned in the 1990’s. The difference in quality and direction of the instruction in those twenty years was shocking. The difference between the 90’s and now is even more shocking.

Please show me an English or History course at any large main-line American university that is not taught from a Leftist political slant. Or even a tenured English or History prof who openly votes Republican. If you can find -any- in the whole country there will not be more than you can count on your fingers.

If a person wants to pursue an education in anything other than Post Modern Marxist bullroar, they have to do it outside the university system. Your assertion that not going to college equals ignorance is evidence of a very small and elitist mind. It is also hilarious. I loaghed out loud.

In conclusion, I must say that your writing is very nearly incomprehensible and your argument is abysmally stupid. If I may suggest a remedy, you might try looking at facts more and try being a little less hipster. Its not working for you.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Douche nozzle there never figured out that college not only doesn’t necessarily prevent one from being ignorant, but it’s also not the only way to educate yourself.

He’d much rather pontificate on stuff he doesn’t really even understand and articulate it in a way that is incomprehensible to the vast majority of the English speaking world, and then act like it’s our fault for not reading his mind. Never mind that to read his mind would require us to read nothing but small print.

Guest
CombatMissionary
1 year 3 months ago

StupidSnake’s problem is he isn’t even trying to make an argument. “You guys are all repeating talk radio talking points! I win!” He thinks college is the only way to smarts, that anyone who demands that a professor be competent is a moron, and that those who recognize the legitimate limitations of college are just obnoxious.

If I had the time, I could tell the story of how I got a Marxist professor fired for being incompetent. I got another professor disciplined for discriminating against military class members, and I personally thwarted the indoctrination efforts of a third on an entire class. I’m a veteran of two branches of the military, spent some time in law enforcement, have worked in a handful of other industries from retail to an airline, and I usually DO know more about a lot of things than most of my professors. And if he thinks demanding competence out of professors is stupid, then he’s a prime example of the adage that Americans want their money’s worth out of everything they pay for except education.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Tom said: “Douche nozzle there never figured out that college not only doesn’t necessarily prevent one from being ignorant, but it’s also not the only way to educate yourself.”

I might go so far as to say he hasn’t been out in The World yet, so he doesn’t know how worthless his “education” is yet. When one pursues a professional degree, contact with Real World professional practices is often a shock.

I was lucky, I started my MSc as a 40 year old man with a wealth of experience in PT and a lot of other things. I made myself most unpopular by laughing out loud in the back of lecture after lecture.

The really fun part was what followed when the instructor indignantly demanded to know what was so funny. Because then I’d tell them.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

I seem to recall that Larry, our esteemed host, made reference to similar things as an accountant once upon a time. You go to school for four years to learn how to be an accountant, and then when you go to work, you have to really learn how to be an accountant.

It’s not that I’m down on college, because I’m not. I’m down on “education” that is essentially a waste of time and money because they don’t give a student anything useful for the real world. Wasting four years of your life and tens of thousands of dollars for a degree that just gets you in the door so you can then be taught how to do things correctly just boggles my mind.

Teach it right, or push for OJT or apprenticing as the way to learn that skill. What the hell is so difficult about that?

Guest
SlipperySnake
1 year 3 months ago

People who didn’t go to college have such a chip on their shoulder about it and apparently tend to think that everyone who did thinks it makes them superior. You guys continue to put words in my mouth so that now apparently I am saying you are uneducated if you didn’t go to college.

What I am saying is that this idea about brainwashing and Marxism (lol, over dramatic much) is just silly. I have no idea what other people may have experienced but mostly my teachers just taught. Conservatives are so obsessed about how history is taught but don’t seem to realize that the majority of people going to college don’t give a shit about history. Most of us were doing it to get an actual job afterwards. All those leftist engineers and chemists though must have really got to us. Damn liberal engineering.

Statistics say that you are likely to make more money if you have more degrees. The point of college isn’t to prepare you for the real world and employers don’t expect graduates to come out ready for their chosen job after a bachelors degree. It is about the perseverance to get the sheepskin and getting a general education. Are there other methods of education? Sure. Does what you most of what you learn have jack shit to do with what you will end up doing at the bachelor level? Fuck no.

Finally you call me overbearing and insulting. I accept the insulting part but what I find offensive is people shitting on something they know nothing about. I mean if it makes you feel better you can go on thinking that by not going to college you dodged the brain-washing bullet. The problem with ‘pursuing your education elsewhere’ is that it either means learning a trade or trying to rediscover the wheel by yourself. It is great that you are well read but colleges exist for a reason (mostly to steal your soul and spend it on football).

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Actually, no one was shitting on something they knew nothing about. Your assumption is that we know nothing about college.

Kind of like a lot of other assumptions you’ve made that were absolute bullshit.

Oh, and those of us who don’t have a degree don’t think we’re better than people who have one. We think we’re better than overbearing jackasses who think they know it all when it’s clear they don’t know a damn thing about life. There in lies the difference.

Guest
dgarsys
1 year 3 months ago

@Tom
Since we’re talking about assumptions, a cartoon ironically fitting to our condescending friend…

https://xkcd.com/1339/

And unlike him, when Charles Dodgson wrote nonsense, it was Entertaining nonsense.

….sadly this Jabberwock does not appear to have a head to go galumphing back with….

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Honestly, he’s needlessly slaughtering innocent electrons with his incoherent ramblings and yet he continues with his condescending bullshit.

It would be entertaining if he wasn’t so damn boring. Thus, he’s committed the sole unforgivable sin here at Larry’s blog.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

StupidSnake said: “You guys continue to put words in my mouth so that now apparently I am saying you are uneducated if you didn’t go to college.”

That is what you said. I quote:

“Lol, so apparently none of you have a college education and you are proud of it. This reverence for ignorance is hilarious, yup college is brainwashing everyone.”

Nobody’s putting words in your mouth. You’re denying you said what you said. Evidently your major is political science.

You said this too: “what I find offensive is people shitting on something they know nothing about.”

Untrue. I know all about it. I’m shitting on you because you are seriously in need of being shit on. In a bar I’d pour your beer on you right now.

In conclusion, if you want to pretend you didn’t say what you clearly said, you should be doing so in a forum that doesn’t faithfully store your words for all to see, permanently.

You’re not slippery. You’re stupid. Your new name forever more is StupidSnake.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

Phantom,

His complete and total lack of communication skills clearly makes him exempt from actually being held accountable for his comments.

Of course, after his incoherent diatribes polluting this thread over and over, he starts calling other people idiots. Seriously, it’s freaking hysterical.

Guest
1 year 3 months ago

He’s the type of troll who says anything he thinks will get a rise out of people.

To wit: StupidSnake said “Why the hell am I explaining this to people who jump at any chance to show they are educated despite not going to college?”

To be annoying, obviously. Fail.

I should know. I’m educated in spite of going to college.

StupidSnake by contrast can’t carry the thread of an argument even though its all printed out there in front of him (or, outside chance, her.) Perfect gender studies undergrad.