Monster Hunter Nation

Why you shouldn’t ask authors to be in favor of censorship

I got the following post to the comments of my post about Monster Hunter Nemesis being up for preorder on Amazon.

Larry:

I learned that Amazon offers for sale videos, books, DVDs and other materials by one Anwar al Awlaki, a propagandist for Al Qaeda, who was taken out by by a U.S. drone missile some months ago.

I confirmed this with my own search!!

I was outraged that Amazon sells for the terrorist group that inflicted 9/11 on our country. I asked them quickly expunge every instance of this odious filth from their web site. Their response was to the effect that they would pass my email up the line. Well, al Awlaki is still for sale there. I swore to never again do business with Amazon, and to inform every person and group I know of their irresponsible money- grubbing.

Maybe Amazon will listen if you and other top authors threaten to pull their publications from their website. Thanks.

I started writing the following response, but it got kind of big, so I figured this deserved its own blog post.

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Wow. Thanks for putting me in a really shitty position this morning, where I am absolutely powerless to do anything of meaning, but if I don’t then I must support terrorism. Or even better, I don’t support terrorism, but I’m only motivated by money, oh that filthy lucre! So if I don’t ruin my business agreements and violate my contractual obligations, even if I fundamentally disagree with your idea not just on 1st Amendment grounds but also practical ones, I too must be “money grubbing” and the terrorists win.

Here is why I will not be threatening anybody with boycotts for this topic or any other.

First, if I threatened to pull my stuff off of Amazon they would laugh at me.

Second, it is one of the biggest retailers of books on Earth, so they would laugh at me as I went bankrupt.

Third, I couldn’t legally pull my books off anyway because I’m under contract to a publishing house. I do not control my printing or distribution. Amazon has a relationship with Baen and Simon & Schuster, not with me.

Fourth, I’m not in the censorship business and I’m not the threat of boycott type. I hate that blackmail strong arm tactic. It never works. Even by you posting this it puts me in an awkward No-Win situation. So if I do something, I’m screwed, and if I do nothing, I must be pro Al Queda, and thus screwed. Hey, thanks.

You want to take up your problems with the retailer (it won’t work either) but leave authors out of it. All you’re doing is putting us in a bad spot. You’re probably going to get the same exact response from any other author you ask too (or at least any author who understands how business and contracts work). I can’t speak for them, but I’m guessing that my co-author Mike Kupari (who went to Afghanistan as an EOD guy and risked his life disarming Al Queda IEDs) will tell you the same thing. You could ask noted sci-fi author (Lt. Colonel) Tom Kratman to pull his books off of Amazon because it also sells books by a terrorist asshole and see what his response is too. I’m sure it would be hilarious.

A cursory search shows that Amazon also carries Mein Kampf, the Turner Diaries, and Rosie O’Donnel movies. Pick a hundred awful topics by a hundred awful people and there will probably be books on there worthy of your outrage. Amazon also has the Satanic Verses in stock, a book critical to Islam where the Iranian mullahs actually issued a death fatwah against the author, so I suppose if some prominent authors felt bad about the mullah’s hurt feelings they should contact Amazon and threaten to pull their books, right? There are books on there by Ted Nugent and Wayne LaPierre too, so after Sandy Hook maybe some super concerned anti-gun authors should have demanded that they were pulled, because of how insensitive it is to have books by those gun nuts.

My gosh, as I continue my search they’ve even got the Anarchist’s Cookbook! I haven’t read that for 25 years, and if I recall correctly there are a few nifty bomb recipes that worked great, and a few others where you’ll probably lose at least a hand.

But if your personal cut off is that we should only ban books by people who have motivated/enabled/caused the deaths of Americans, then hey, start with Margaret Sanger books. For sheer body count, Sanger’s accomplishments dwarf Al Queda… Only hers are all little tiny bodies, and that particular racist eugenicist is a liberal icon today.  I just checked. Sanger books are on Amazon too. And on 1st Amendment grounds, I think that is great. Political speech should always be allowed, even when it is by complete scumbags with idiotic ideas. No matter how repulsive your political philosophy you have the right to share it.

This is America. You want to proclaim something, no matter how idiotic it is, you have that right. And the rest of us have the right to debate it, make fun of it, and pick it to pieces. No matter how vile or ignorant. Hey, look, Piers Morgan wrote a book. Good for him.

Hell, and I actually know people who have bought various Al Queda authored books from Amazon. Except they work in the American intelligence community, and it was so they could understand the people they were trying to find in order to kill them better.

You want to get people to read the hell out of a book? Get somebody somewhere to ban it. If only I could get a bunch of morons to burn a bunch of my books on a bonfire and get it on the news, that makes for great publicity. But you got me thinking, so I went and looked on the site itself. If you search his name, you come up with critiques and news articles about his crap way before you get to his crap. One of the books you’re pissed about is ranked 1,101,112, which means that it sells a copy once in a great while.  Another one of his articles doesn’t actually sell enough copies to get a rating. Sure, you could let this asshole fade away into obscurity, but don’t worry. I’m sure if you organize a righteous internet campaign to ban it you can get this thing up to number 1, no problem.

So no, I will not be contacting Amazon about this, sorry. If that makes me a bad guy, so be it. I think Al Queda is evil and every time one of them gets blown to hell an angel gets its wings (or was that a Ranger gets his tab? Never could keep those straight).  They are wretched scum, but the wonderful thing about this country is that we don’t hide wretched ideas. We confront them.

EDIT

Because the fun never stops on the internet, I got a response:

Of course you’re in a shitty position.  When faced with an ethical dilemma,anyone with a grain of decency finds themselves thus.

I’m unimpressed with your four reasons for not pursuing the issue.  Each had to do with either the state of your pocketbook or your helplessness in the face of strong opposition.  I would imagine that the executives at Krups and Thyssen used a similar rationale in the 1930′s and 1940′s.

Man, where did you learn your negotiating skills – using shovels on Holsteins?  I wasn’t asking you to fall on your sword.  Rather, it occurred to me that if you and some other primo Baen authors suggested to your publisher that he, too, faces the same ethical dilemma, he might give it some thought, and perhaps pass on his concerns to Amazon.

Given your off-the-edge rant that lumped a real mass murderer with a fictional white supremicist apocalypse, and a true woman’s rights advocate (Is that truly the LDS position on abortion?), it looks like I pushed the wrong (right?) buttons.

In case you’re wondering, I do have a dog in this hunt.  My son had clients at the World Trade Center.  If he had been there that morning, he likely would have died in that massacre.

Well, that’s a shocker. And here is what I posted in response:

Yep. Just like I predicted. Because I disagree with you, I am money grubbing, morally bankrupt, and support terrorism. Sure. Because it is either that or your idea is just stupid.

If you consider that rather polite and detailed response as to why what you are asking me is an “off-the-edge rant” then you have lived a sheltered life.

You missed the big reason, even though I didn’t put a #5 by it. Hint, it is all the stuff in the second half about how I believe in Freedom of Speech, and will not ever pressure any vendor of books not to carry a book of political thought I disagree with. Ever.

Apparenly you were too dense to get that the examples I provided were of various works who would be hated and despised by some group, and by your criteria, they should be banned. You bring my religion into it, well how about this? It is my personal religious conviction that the founding fathers were inspired by God when they wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and the first right on there is the right to freely share political thought. It is a fundamental guiding principle of America that all idea, no matter how vile, are open for discussion, and squashing political discourse is the desire of statists and tyrants.

You pushed the wrong (right) button? Yes. I hate censorship. I hate statism. I hate anyone who would infringe upon the basic fundamental principles of American governance based upon their feelings or their personal concerns. And above all, I hate bullies.

So instead of trying to coerce me into doing something I disagree with how about you go talk to those other primo authors yourself? Go talk to my publisher. See what their response is. I provided a couple of names above who also have “a dog in this hunt”, so go for it.

Vincent Chong is selling prints of the Magie Brute cover.
Well look what is up for preorder...
Miguel
Guest

If we are talking body count, we need to add Silent Spring by Rachel Carson. Her legacy is supposed to be somewhere in the tens of millions who have died by tropical diseases transmited by insects.

Sjonnar
Guest

True, but those are just nameless, faceless, brown people from some place that no one has ever heard of. It’s not like they matter. Important people, like rich liberal urbanite environmentalists for example, don’t die horribly of malaria or yellow fever. So your argument is invalid. Also, you clearly hate mother nature, so you’re biased.

Ellid
Guest

Uh, I hate to tell you this, but Silent Spring didn’t have diddly to do with the countries that actually HAD big malaria problems ceasing to use DDT to spray for mosquitoes. It’s because mosquitoes developed resistance to it, so DDT did absolutely nothing.

In short, it was evolution, not Rachel Carson.

FAIL.

Sjonnar
Guest

Good man.

RabidAlien
Guest

Excellent confrontation!

Brooks
Guest

Reminds me of a quote by Voltaire:

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.

America in a nutshell.

Elizabeth Tompkins
Guest

Actually, not Voltaire, just a quote attributed to him. I know, I know, it’s nit picky, but this is a cliche’ that needs undoing. Most people wouldn’t dream of taking a bullet for an author, so it’s a trite non-truism.

John Bouler
Guest

I’ve always thought “the death” in that quote doesn’t refer to the defender’s death.

Expendable Henchman
Guest
Honestly, at this point, I’m not defending Lefties rights ‘to the death’. I’ve read too much of what they have to say, and those sons of bitches are on their own. I’ll start defending rights when it starts enroaching on folks I care about, or at least agree with. If Code Pink, Kos kiddies, or Greenpeace gets censored, I’m neither contributing to their legal defense fund nor lifting a finger. F*** them, there are enough idiots and gov’t agencies bending me over to fund them. When people and ideas I value get censored, they’re cheering, if not aiding and abetting.… Read more »
Robert
Guest

First they came for the communists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a socialist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemöller

jabrwok
Guest

The problem with the poem is that the ones coming for everyone *are* the Commies and Socialists.

Tom Kratman
Guest

Actually the problem is that first they came for the guns.

Jusuchin (Military Otaku)
Guest

As the left once said, ‘dissent is patriotic’. Nowhere in the world can someone hold one viewpoint and have another guy argue against him without being thrown into jail where he’d possibly wished he kept his mouth shut.

Sure there are rules on that (like I can’t do that sort of “I don’t like our commander in chief” while at work) but generally anyone with a soapbox can air his views, no matter how hateful and vile.

Sjonnar
Guest

You O or E?

Expendable Henchman
Guest

You left out W.O.

Raaaacist!

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool

Is the avatar Yuuka?

Mith Besler
Guest

A *real* writer would boycott amazon.

Scott
Guest

A “real” reader would buy 3-5 copies of books by authors who oppose that from Amazon to show that we don’t censor speech in America; we chose with our wallets what we want to support…just a thought…

-Scott

Expendable Henchman
Guest

We already do.

And patches,
and medallions,
and Role Playing Games,
and lighters,
and books by his friends,
and …

Martin L. Shoemaker
Guest

A *real* writer would mock censors.

Oh, I guess he did.

Kristophr
Guest

Are you also ready to boycott every library that has a copy of Mein Kampf?

Screw off, censorship boy.

Mith Besler
Guest

Wow and I was sure that my sarcasm would have been picked up. I even cut and pasted the way Larry writes *real* when he is talking about the elitists and their distorted views on what a real writer is.

Kristophr
Guest

Sarcasm in plain text is a bit dangerous.

Too easy to not pick it up. I apologize for the unneeded blast.

NR Pax
Guest

So you have gone from Hispanic that is stealing jobs and women, to racist hatey hate mongering hater to terrorist supporter.

Larry, you’re going to need a bigger business card at the rate you are going.

Javahead
Guest

At this rate, pretty soon people will start to think he’s a left-wing politician.

Expendable Henchman
Guest

With all his technical talk about guns and explosions, he’s only a Che T-shirt / Palestinian flag away from being the Left’s hero for life.

Because, once the left loves you, history changes to fit.

I actually once found myself in a gay student association with 2 guys wearing Che T shirts. Che hated homosexuals, and murdered more gays *for being gay* than most US serial killers combined had victims.

jpkalishek
Guest

people like this need to remember the rule: Would you want your enemy/opposition to be able to do this?
It is the wont of tyrants and their enablers to censor.

I giggled just imagining LtC Kratman’s response to this.

Knowing that some in the intel sector bought the targeted books, how much you wanna bet that most of the sales were from there and those who fight the fight against such?

Sjonnar
Guest

^ Pretty much this. If they can censor al-awlaki, they can censor you.

jpkalishek
Guest

it was also the reply in my not supporting the Patriot Act. I doubted GWB himself would use it wrongly, but the vagueness left me with a case of the willies when I imagined Hillary (and then 0bama) having the same power.

Morgauxo
Guest

If they can execute al-awlaki without a trial they can execute… oh.. shit!

BTW, not sad he is dead, just concerned how else our government might chose to use it’s new powers.

Kristophr
Guest

Al-Awlaki was killed in action by the US Military, using a drone strike. He was not subject to civilian trial, because the stupid fucker was at war with the US, and declare this publicly.

He had the same option every soldier in Nazi Germany had during WWII: If you don’t want American troops to shoot your stupid ass, or just blow you up, approach an American soldier ( in the field, or at a Consulate ), and surrender.

thewriterinblack
Guest

Anything government can do for you, it can do to you.

jpkalishek
Guest

eyup

John Bouler
Guest

Suggested new bumper sticker for congress critters:

Think: What Would J. Edgar Do?

Scott
Guest

“You could ask noted sci-fi author (Lt. Colonel) Tom Kratman to pull his books off of Amazon because it also sells books by a terrorist asshole and see what his response is too. I’m sure it would be hilarious.”

“I giggled just imagining LtC Kratman’s response to this.”

I think it would be roflmaopmp-worthy. And probably worth meme-ing

Hey, book-banner. Fahrenheit 451 was NOT a how-to manual!

Susan
Guest

I think I want to know what Tom’s answer would be.

Tom Kratman
Guest

Probably something simple, Susan, like, “Are you out of your fucking mind? Is this some sort of pennance you have to do for missing your last CPUSA mass….err…meeting?” (Note the clever double entendre.) Or I might be polite and just say, “No.”

Tom Kratman
Guest

I’m not actually a libertarian, Larry. I’m just conservative. Minarchist? Check. No more government than you need? Check. No more laws than the bare minimum to ensure civilized life? Check. Execution of all common law felons? Check that, too, and in gory technicolor. And no less government than you need, either. History is replete with societies that needed a strong and effective government, to face a foreign threat, and just didn’t have one.

Sjonnar
Guest
Larry and Tom: Libertarians don’t want -no- government. Those are anarchists. We want minimal government. Just enough of a federal government to keep the military funded, patrol the borders, maintain the interstate system, and maintain a port authority, to use my own parameters as an example. The reasoning behind this is that government is like a mouse – if you give it a cookie, it’s going to want a glass of milk. Allow the government any power at all and it’s going to seek more, so we want to limit it to -only- those things that -only- a central government… Read more »
Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
Guest
Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

When it comes to what libertarians want, I’m reminded of the line “Two Baptists, Three Opinions”.

I’ve met on-line libertarians who were anarchists and I’ve met on-line libertarians who weren’t.

thewriterinblack
Guest
I self-describe as a “Pragmatic Libertarian” (the term was applied to me one time after I described my position). Philosophically, I’m more libertarian than anything else (Bastiat is a good starting point for how I think on economic issues, for example), but I recognize that “there ought to be a law” and “the government should…” is deeply engrained in a large portion of the electorate, to the point that “libertarian” is a rather small minority position, and likely to remain so for the foreseeable future. (If everyone who thought Ron Paul, or Gary Johnson, or Bob Barr, or whoever would… Read more »
Tom Kratman
Guest

You’re not really clearing anything up Sjonnar, by whatever name they use, Libertarian or Objectivist, there’s a strong anarchist streak in there the last 30 years. Go have a conversation sometime with el Neil and you’ll see what I mean.

Sjonnar
Guest

Tom and Larry, just because an anarchist says he’s a libertarian doesn’t mean he is. Just like how just because a socialist (Obama) says he’s a moderate democrat doesn’t mean he is.

Tom Kratman
Guest

And by the same token, Sjonnar, just because a libertarian _says_ he’s not an anarchist doesn’t mean he isn’t. That said, sure, there are libertarians who go by the name and are not anarchists, just as there are anarchists who insist they are libertarians. This is why a fair number of libertarians have dropped the name and now call themselves minarchists.

Kristophr
Guest

Sjonnar: I ran the Libertarian Party of Oregon for a couple of years in the 1990s.

They were too damned anarchistic to get a person elected dogcatcher. Most of them only wanted to run informational campaigns, and would refuse to vote, regardless.

Anyone with a minarchist philosophy eventually ends up being driven into one of the two main parties. I’m a Republican precinct committeeman these days, and I am working with folks who are more interested in getting things done than endlessly debating libertarian praxis.

Sjonnar
Guest
Kristophr: Yeah, i’ve seen that problem myself. And it’s a damn shame. But i won’t have anything to do with the republican party, because it’s full of democrats. Just look at who you guys ran these last two elections; McCain (moderate democrat) and Romney (liberal democrat). Make you a deal: you guys run a minarchist, or hell, even a good honest conservative, and i’ll vote for him. Until then, you can keep that red team-blue team shit and i’ll keep wasting my votes on people who don’t want to raise my taxes by 20% to fund planned parenthood for crack… Read more »
Kristophr
Guest

Holding your breath until the Republican Party runs a minarchist won’t do any good.

The only way to get minarchists nominated is to join the party, and work the problem at the precinct level.

Which is exactly what the TEA Party is doing.

tedchall
Guest

I love the “somebody ought to do something” types that are convinced that their opinions supersede law… Wanting to silence all they object to… despite their taking advantage of the same “Free Speech” they are advocating taking away from someone else…

Lovely folks….

rasquirelaskar
Guest
New rule for reading Larry’s blog: No drinks until after the tab is closed and I’m reading something else. That ‘Ranger gets his tabs’ crack got a bit of Dr. Pepper up my nose. Anyhow, I think that the topic of censorship is a good response to people people who accuse us of being close-minded. I mean, if they’re so open minded, surely they don’t mind that Rush Limbaugh has open access to the airwaves, right? 90% of the time, the progressives just ignore that conundrum or say that speech they disagree with is harmful to society. The remaining ten… Read more »
thewriterinblack
Guest
Something I have long said (I’m not alone in this mind you) is that the answer to speech or writing which one finds objectionable is more speech/writing, not censorship. Write or speak in opposition. Let all ideas, noble and ignoble compete in the hears and minds of the people and thereby let truth rise to the surface. Once you say “this you may not read, this you may not say, this you may not know” however noble ones motives, well, that way lies tyranny. If one is sufficiently circumspect and limited in that it may take a while, but mincing… Read more »
Keith Glass
Guest

The best answer for bad speech is more speech.

– Mike Godwin, Electronic Frontiers Foundation
(and yes, that’s the guy who created “Godwin’s Law”)

Shaftoe
Guest

Some people really don’t understand this whole “free society” thing.

jpkalishek
Guest

Worse, some do and hate what it means and are dead set to destroy it (see the current resident in 1600 Penn. Ave.)

William O. B'Livion
Guest

No Bobby, they don’t.

Spencer Cotter
Guest
I’ll never understand the boycott mentality. I’ll vote with my wallet any day of the week and twice on Sunday. To make a big stink about it though, that just draws attention. I can even understand protesting as a form of discourse. Though I prefer debate. Odds are you’ll change someones mind when you speak to them rationally and as civil as possible. Protesting is a bunch of shouting and just gets all sides involved defensive. So yeah I’ll vote with my wallet, I just won’t advertise it. I may discuss it with my friends, or if they ask “why… Read more »
Overload in CO
Guest

Didn’t the boycott against the Dixie Chicks work? What about dolphin safe tuna? Here’s a web site listing successful boycotts (all from the left though)
http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/boycotts/successfulboycotts.aspx

jpkalishek
Guest

No, the Chicks just P.O.ed their fans base, and the left tend not to buy as much of their crappy music.

Javahead
Guest
An ethical boycott is one where people just don’t buy – books, food, clothing, whatever – from people they disapprove of. And try to – peacefully, by persuasion – convince others to do the same. It’s the difference between not listening to a speaker and trying to prevent them from having a chance to speak. Preventing free speech, and doing their best to harass speakers they disapprove of is very much a tool of the American Left, and – if there is any difference – the supporters of and apologists for radical Islamists. Don’t BUY books by people you don’t… Read more »
Ron Brison
Guest

True….and the album following did ok….in the top 100 for the year.

jpkalishek
Guest
Yes, and it was in the works before the incedent, but then they made some claims about not needing their fans, did some changes to styling and what few weren’t turned off by their nonsense didn’t really care for the new sound. Suddenly they were not selling and of course it wasn’t their fault, it was the misogynists suppressing their right to free speech.. The stupid free speech claim was made by Hank Williams Jr. after he criticized 0bama and ABC/ESPN stopped using him for Monday night football. Sorry, I agree that 0 is a waste of the office, but… Read more »
Ron Brison
Guest

alway I post to the wrong reply on these. I suck.

joecrouse
Guest

IIRC Wasn’t Alfried Krupp sentenced to prison for using Slave labor.

hilljohnny
Guest

on a side note Sanger was pro prevention of pregnancy but against abortion.

Expendable Henchman
Guest

But note that she was 85 years old when CONTRACEPTION was legalized federally. She was dead for most of a decade before Roe v. Wade.

I see Larry’s post as saying ‘Pick your battles intelligently’, which Sanger obviously did, or we’d never have heard of her.

It’s really mind boggling to think about it, but contraception was still illegal in parts of the US in 1966.

Ad Astra
Guest

Actually no, in 1936 the courts allowed for medical doctors to be allowed contraception which made it about as hard to get as medical marijuana in say Washington. Not to mention the military dispensing them wilynilly at the same time.

Ad Astra
Guest

No she was anti-back alley abortion, as long as it happened in a sterile operating room she was all for it. Plus there was her whole eugenics stance.

alligosh
Guest
from wikipedia (take it for what you will) the quotes: In her book Woman and the New Race, she wrote, “while there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.” …in her 1938 autobiography, Sanger noted that her opposition to abortion was based on the taking of life: “[In 1916] we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that… Read more »
jpkalishek
Guest

well, I guess forced sterilization of lesser peoples is “pro prevention” and she was all for Doctors aborting.

trackback

[…] his publisher to pressure Amazon to stop selling books by a now dead member of Al Qaeda.  Larry responds by going on a rant about the first […]

Ad Astra
Guest

I fully support the right of Al-quida types to buy their books on amazon or any other online retailer. It leaves a handy electronic trail to know where to send the predator drones and SEAL teams. 🙂

Expendable Henchman
Guest

Larry, have you thought about lifting sections verbatium out of Che Guevarra’s autobiography to put into the Grimnoir chronicles sequels? The time period is about right for First Lady Faye.

I think he’d make a great 2-bit mass murderer of gays.

You could be all sensitive for characters being abhorred at the murdering thug, and piss off the lefties by exposing his true nature.

perlhaqr
Guest

I would like to put my stamp of approval on this idea. 😀 (Not that I get a vote.)

Expendable Henchman
Guest
Twist on the grand villain explaining in detail the overly intricate death trap: 1: The villain can’t kill the expendable good guy immediately for some really, really good reason. 2: The wait period ends and the villain drops a grenade or seven in the windowless cell. 3: The villain explains his true cunning plan: Let expendable hero think he can escape tonight, when he only has to breathe till noon. After he inspects the cell and overkills everyone *again*: “Disinformation always beats silence” he quietly thinks to himself. Of course, the villain explains everything to the henchman in loving detail.… Read more »
Ron Brison
Guest
It is a shame there is so much hate here for so called liberals. I have been a “liberal” all my life. I grew up in LA, Denver, and Cincinnati in areas where white folks were often the minority. How comforting it would have been to live in a place that I could retreat into a clannish (and I don’t mean KKK..if you think I do, take a good long look) view of life, surrounded by people just like me! This is a luxury that many us in the developed parts of America do not have. Ever wonder why major… Read more »
Wesley Nichols
Guest

Yay! The snob patrol has arrived to save us poor ignorant (and probably RAAAAACIST!) heathens. I feel better now.

Ted N
Guest

He just has to care so hard. He really really cares. It’s quite a burden, the poor guy.

ZeeWulf
Guest

“I’m not saying that you all are ignorant racist hicks, but, if you’re not one of us, you’re an ignorant racist hick.”

Thanks.

There’s so much presumption in this paragraph, I have trouble reading it. As in, it is physically difficult to read with every other word being a juxtaposition of insult, condescension and labeled ignorance.

There’s enough assumption here to hold a white house press conference….

ZeeWulf
Guest

Further note: It appears our dear commenter has managed to hit all of the Standard Internet Arguing points at once.

Martin L. Shoemaker
Guest

Don’t be too hard on Ron. He thinks he’s not in a bubble and no one in his bubble is a bigot. The poor thing…

BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool
If someone is willing to support or work with the Democratic Party, they might as well support or work with the Ku Klux Klan. Historically, as far as certain historical atrocities are concerned, the two organizations were one and the same. The distinction was without difference. A vote for the Democrat was a vote for minorities going into mass graves, and it not reaching the main stream of media. Question for Larry, You mention Oklahoma a decent amount in the Grimnoir books. Do you have a firm idea of what happened in Tulsa in 1921 in the Grimnoir universe?
BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool

Okay, then my head canon will be, until I hear otherwise, that it all happened as it did in the real world, complete with the mass grave being in the same place ours is supposed to be in.

Ad Astra
Guest

Ah that’s right nice of Ron to think we’re not a bunch of unsophisticated knuckle dragging racist bigots he just stops every other sentence or so to explain things because he assumes that is our default view of the world, you know just in case.

Hey Ron can you make a few more straw men I didn’t get quite enough scarecrows for my farm from that post.

Carl Henderson
Guest

I’m curious as to why you think the Tea Party is constiutionally ignorant. The Tea Party seems to me to be one of the few politcal movement in the country that take the Constitution seriously.

salgak
Guest

Get back to us on that “getting along in the Major Metropolitan areas” bit. Looking at the statistics, MOST of the violent crime and gun crime in the country comes from the “major metropolitan areas”.

Explain, again, how the people are getting along in Chicago, where they have to have “safe corridors” for kids to go to school.

Besides, Oprah just told us, the cure to racism in America is to have all use “marinated” racists die. . . .

DaveP.
Guest

Thanks for telling me what God thinks about me, bucko. I really needed your input on that one.

Kristophr
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Ron Brinson: The KKK was a Democratic Party organization. They had a habit of hanging blacks they caught organizing for the Republican PArty. The Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. was a lifelong Republican. The only positive thing his family had to say about LBJ was made as the price of getting that racist asshole to call J. Edgar Hoover off of him. The Nazis really meant it when they called themselves the National German Socialist Workers Party. The TEA Party is entirely about lowering taxes, and following the Constitution. Post proof that the TEA Party is anti-constitutional. Now. Actual… Read more »
BobtheRegisterredFool
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BobtheRegisterredFool

I’d note that they didn’t restrict their murders by skin color. I recall that when the feds went after Steve Renfroe, supposedly for politically motivated murders for the benefit of the Democratic Party, one was a former slave and the other was either a carpetbagger or a scalawag.

Sjonnar
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I’m reminded strongly of the old saw about boiling a frog whenever i think of the democrats trying to avoid another civil war. It seems as long as they push their statist bullshit slowly enough, no one will ever be ready to touch off that war.

That said, it’s gonna be awful damn tough to organize the resistance when the time comes, what with the NSA listening to all our phone calls and reading all our emails.

Achillea
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“How comforting it would have been to live in a place that I could retreat into a clannish (and I don’t mean KKK..if you think I do, take a good long look) view of life, surrounded by people just like me!” Child, your textwall of a comment amply demonstrates that you live in a clannish little bubble of people just like you. It’s comprised entirely of strawman notions of conservatives, iced with ignorance of reality, and sprinkled with condescending bits of more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger concern-troll claptrap. Stick around. Get over this delusion that you’re smarter and wiser than everyone (or even anyone)… Read more »
Will M
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Normally, I agree with Larry, but on this one, I feel that he may be slightly off-base. If Amazon was a paper, a magazine, or a News show then I feel that the calls preventing censorship would be justified. Also, if Amazon was a forum operated by the US Government then the calls preventing censorship would, in my opinion, be justified as well. However, Amazon is a non-government owned entity, As such, I don’t believe that they should have to respect all viewpoints, offer services to all individuals, or be forced to provide services to their employees that they don’t… Read more »
James McDuffie
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My dad always used to tell me “You can’t logically convince an idiot of anything, let alone a logical response.” I’ve tried and I always prove my father right, I’ve never won a discussion or an argument with a moron. They don’t see logic. They only see their views and opinions as right, and the only thing that will convince them is a swift kick to the nuts or a divine messenger from heaven… then again they’d probably believe the divine messenger was an illusion created by “them” to try to trick them 🙂 As always I enjoyed your response,… Read more »
cspschofield
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There’s another good reason to not censor; letting pillocks demonstrate that they are receiving Radio Venus on their bridgework. The problem with Mein Kampf is that TOO FEW people read it, and took it seriously. Hitler did the world a favor by publishing his raving racist psychotic philosophy …. and the ‘smart people’ dismissed it as hyperbole.

Jens
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Most people probable put it aside while reading the first few pages – I’ve yet to read any other book that starts with such self-praising hyperbole mixed with delusional rambling. Here in Germany such nazi propaganda is only available for educational purposes, to be used to illustrate and provide background/further information as part of a larger set of educational material. This isn’t censorship per se, but it’s making sure that students (of any age) learn to distinguish between propaganda, fiction, and facts. There are some books that can’t be sold openly, but those are available for adults on special order.… Read more »
Kristophr
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The problem with Germany’s stance on Mein Kampf is that by making German student ignorant of history, they are dooming them to repeat it. The history Nazi-zeit needs to be taught to German students, and they need to be exposed to Mein Kampf. Trying to hide your history under a rock will have eventually bad consequences. I’ve talked to German students when I was in college … their ignorance of their own history was astounding. I loaned one a set of WWII history documentary tapes ( the BBC’s World at War series ) … the last episode’s documentary of Auschwitz… Read more »
Tom Kratman
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The Germans are in a difficult position, Kris. _They_, themselves, seem to think there’s something wrong or defective in Germans, such that they cannot be trusted not to turn loon again, hence cannot be generally exposed to things like Mein Kampf. They’re not trying to hide from their history, as the Japanese do, but are just terrified of their history.

At least that’s my take on them.

Kristophr
Guest

I understand that, Tom … but that stance is bloody damned dangerous.

Andrew
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To be honest, I really struggle with this. I’m uncomfortable giving my dollars to an author who supports actions and ideas hostile to me. I don’t object to the free exercise of their right to produce or speak, but I have difficulty separating my purchase of goods from the goals the goods are being sold to fund. In a world where convincing enough people can make the 20oz soda on my desk a crime, am I morally accountable for making purchases where the profits will aid such nonsense? I purchased Buckyballs and raisins because their makers were fighting what I… Read more »
Paul
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Stop struggling. What you’re doing is not “censorship”. You’re voting with your wallet. You’re not trying to make products or views you dislike unavailable to others who don’t share your good taste and impeccable judgement, nor do you advocate punishment for those with whom you disagree. Your method is the definition of economics in action. Good for you. And all of the cool kids are doing the same thing.

Andrew
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I see the point you both make, Paul and Larry. I doubt any of us would support compulsion restricting access to markets or speech. Forcibly preventing people from reading or saying what they like is clearly off the table. Similarly, I can choose what to purchase and what not to purchase. By the same rule, I can speak my mind on the topic, and advocate for people to hold similar positions as mine. What’s the difference between encouraging people to use their agency to take a position similar to mine, and trying to get them to, de facto, ban Ford?… Read more »
Andrew
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I’m trying to get at the root rule that could be used in another situation. It’s looking like “no initiation of force” is the baseline, unsurprisingly. Add in, speech and organization isn’t force, but may constitute an economic threat. Doing such, may make a person a jerk. People have the right to be jerks, and we all have the right to tell them to F off for behaving poorly. Who is/isn’t a jerk, and who should be told to screw themselves is largely a matter of personal judgement. We have to live with this ambiguity, noise and conflict, because the… Read more »
Ted N
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Lulz.

Piss off the guy that buys ink by the barrel. Great idea. That’s always a win.

Luke Law
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Larry & Group, As a Bibliophile and politically and a Independent Conservative I also do not support banning, burning or censorship of books for different reasons. I read a lot, and by a lot I read 2 – 3 novels a day or with “serious books” ie non fiction maybe 1 a day depending on the size. Because I like be aware when I vote I have read books by “The Enemy” just because I hate or dislike the author doesn’t stop me from reading their books. I’ve actually read ‘Rules for Radicals’ by Saul Alinsky, Mao’s ‘Little Red Book’,… Read more »
Ad Astra
Guest

So there you have it not only was Mao a bloodstained tyrant he also was incapable of coming up with a new idea. Of course that covers pretty much all of the left.

Ted N
Guest

Lulz.

wyldewoody
Guest

I must say Larry as much as I enjoy the books you write I think I enjoyed this rant even more. Well done sir.

Achillea
Guest

Let me see if I’ve got this straight. LW thinks the solution to someone saying objectionable things is for everybody who disagrees to shut up?

My bogglemeter just redlined.

Joe in PNG
Guest

Another historical event to ponder- the so called McCarthy anticommunist ‘witchhunts’ of the 50’s. End result of the censorings, boycotts, blacklistings, and the rest: freaking hippies, maaan!

Lesson? Maybe let’s not do the same thing, yeah.

Fruitbat44
Guest

I suppose one position is that whatever harm a book, and it’s contents there in, may do, it is nothing compared to the harm that censoring it will do.

Or,

First they came for the people I didn’t like.
And I did not speak up because I didn’t like them.

Then they came for the people I disagreed with.
And I did not speak up because I disagreed with them.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak up for me.

Good for Larry for speaking his mind.

Pete
Guest
Just came across you blog (started on the books about 5 months ago). I enjoy the books, but the blog post was priceless – I always enjoy a takedown of a liberal (particularly one in favor of boycotts). As for Adams agreeing to defend the Redcoats, my 13 year old daughter is covering that episode in her 7th grade class. The teacher asked the students to come prepared to argue one side or the other. She chose the Redcoat/Loyalist side because she said “I’m more comfortable with the Patriot side than the Loyalist one. So this would force me to… Read more »
Concerned Citizen
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Correia, your Monster Hunter books -every hate-filled, despicable page of them- should be not only banned, but stricken from all records and minds. They constantly portray and encourage violence against (and murder of!) the Differently Alive, even to the point of promoting genocide acts against such peoples.

Anyone who supports you and your filth should be shot.

LepusKhan
Guest

I think the current PC term is “breathing impaired”. (Pulse impaired?)
Racist.

Brian
Guest

You can’t swing an undead cat around here without hitting a friggin PITA Zombie Rights activist.

Andrew
Guest

They prefer to be called Undead Americans.

jabrwok
Guest

That’s “metabolically challenged” to YOU sir!

Andrew
Guest

“metabolically challenged”? What is this the 1800’s? Your life-ist roots are showing!

Sandra Webb
Guest

Amen to everything you said. It’s time we start standing up to the tyranny of the minority which has run rampant for the past 50 years. Because one person is offended, action should be taken? Not hardly.

Pete
Guest

I think that action SHOULD be taken. But if the person offended is a twit, the action should be ridicule an lampooning. But I think the MHN crowd is already down wit dat.

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richard mcenroe (@richard_mcenroe)
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You SHOULD read Mein Kampf, Alinsky, Marx, etc. That way when progs try to lie about their beliefs you can string them up with their own quoted words.

But you don’t need to read The Turner Diaries. We’re living that dream, baby…

C.S. Gilmore
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I think I would find Mein Kampf and the like potentially interesting reads, mainly because it would give a view into the writers crazy heads, could also help with insperation for characters in my writing.

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