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The Phantom
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Talking about politics in things, check the DC Comics announcement about Batgirl #19 today. Batgirl is gay, and her room mate is a transgendered bi. Not political at all, right?

richard mcenroe
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Shoot, over in Marvel just about the only two superheroes who ain’t locked lips are Captain America and Nick Fury (either one or both if marketing is scared off by the racial thing.)

Tom Kratman
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Well…that’s fine provided Batgirl lets the rest of us _watch_.

salgak
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Quick, Batgirl, the Bat-lube!!

Brian Bragg
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Tom, if you wanna watch that sort of thing, I believe you’re looking for Batwoman issue 4, but don’t expect to enjoy it too much. The scene with Batwoman and her girlfriend is innercut with a scene where Batwoman’s sidekick gets her guts ripped out with a meathook type implement.

Brian Bragg
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Um, without getting into the politics of this, please check your facts. Batgirl is not gay. Batwoman is gay, but that’s been going on for 7 years no, so it’s a little late to start complaining. You’re right that her roommate was revealed in issue #19 as a transgendered woman, but if you’d read any of the articles floating around about it, you’d know that the guy running the Batgirl series at the moment made the decision, not on word from DC, but because the comic already had a very large LGBT following, and he wanted to be more inclusive… Read more »
DaveP.
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Nonsense. It’s an attempt at “social relevancy”, just like when DC/Marvel had Lex Luthor as George Bush, the Tea Party as racist mass-murderers, AIDS-positive superheroes, Barack Obama as a superhero… Note that all of this goes in exactly one political direction?

Julie
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…I wonder where I fit in all this as a right-wing, religious, gun-toting female writer of SF/F.

Maybe I’m a unicorn.

Julaire
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Couldn’t be. Leftist authors include unicorns in their stories sometimes. I don’t think they’d ever include a “right-wing, religious, gun-toting female writer of SF/F.” Although you could be Julie Shackleford, assuming she writes SF/F on the side. =)

Julie
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…dammit, now I need to write a story with a unicorn in it. I’ve done dragons, werewolves, angels, demons, aliens, vampires, zombies, squonks, and talking cats, but never unicorns. Clearly, I’ve been slacking.

I *wish* I was as awesome as Julie Shackleford.

Pete
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Ok, I’ll bite. What’s a ‘squonk’, and which of your stories does it appear in?

Julie
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A squonk is a legendary creature from the Pennsylvania hemlock forests. It is reputed to be so ugly that it will literally dissolve in its own tears when confronted with a mirror and reminded how hideous it is.

The squonk in my story is actually a were-squonk (of course it is, because I am me), and he’s in one of my numerous stories about my werewolf PI (none of which are published, woe is me). The story has yet to find a home and is sitting on an editor’s desk right now.

For further information, visit the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squonk

;o)

LittleRed1
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Julie, if you are, there are a few of us. Sarah Hoyt, Sabrina Chase, Kate Paulk, Alma Boykin, and others are out here. Look for “human wave” sci-fi and you’ll find a growing number of religious or at least not anti-religious, conservative to libertarian, gun-toting females. You ain’t alone. 🙂

Julie
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Well, I’ve had “Draw One in the Dark” on my to-buy list for quite some time. It’s now moved to the front of the list.

I’m glad we’re not alone out there. Sometimes it feels like we are. I’m getting ready to reward myself with a t-shirt after I finish this editing pass:comment image

s2la
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Julie: I highly recommend Sarah Hoyt’s “A Few Good Men” it’s Sarah’s version of the American Revolution / The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

The shifter’s series is very good, too – Draw One in the Dark, Gentleman Takes a Chance, and Noah’s Boy (coming in June). Of course, I am somewhat biased, since I’ve been tuckerized… at least I don’t get eaten by a were-shark!

Hardware
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Excellent, spot on and tweeted.

steve
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If you can’t be a sterling example, you’ll have to serve as a horrible warning… What amazes me is that Heinlein would be considered right wing today. Libertarian, nudist, author of “Stranger in a Strange Land” that helped kick the sexual revolution of the 60’s, polyamorous, Heinlein. He ran for the California state legislature as a democrat, and was beaten by a republican. Hell, Scientology was started from the same conversation with L. Ron Hubbard that birthed “Stranger”. It was about how anything, including roller skating, was worship, and could be the central theme of a tax-exempt church, if you… Read more »
andonsage
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Actually, Scientology was started as a bet between Hubbard and Frank Herbert, after they were arguing about the Freemen “religion” in Dune.

Douglas Baird
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I way I heard it was, the bet was between Heinlein and Hubbard. It was being discussed at Balticon 15 and I kind of listened in…

Reziac
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The way I heard it, there were three people in on the bet, so it might have been both Herbert and RAH.

andonsage
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I got my info from Jack Chalker at Nolacon II in 1988.

Rob Crawford
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Love the Baen-bashing over there. Sorry, but every Baen book I’ve read is at least enjoyable; I can’t say that about what gets churned out by the other publishers. PARTICULARLY when they think it’s “literature”. I also find it amusing that they hold up as icons of literature people who were just doing a job. Heinlein, Burroughs, Lovecraft, Howard — heck, the last three were literal pulp writers. Tolkien? His stories were a way to play with his toy languages. Perhaps its my contrary nature, perhaps its the aversion I have to those with English degrees, but I find the… Read more »
tjic (@tjic)
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> Tell a good story, you’ll have my dime. Indeed. Most modern literature is crap, and almost all modern “study” of literature is beyond crap. That said, there are some things in classical music that you don’t get in a three piece rock band, and studying form and technique can pay dividends. My listening tastes include Beethoven and the Clash – both are excellent, even if one has more music theory behind it. No reason that one’s reading tastes can’t include excellent action adventure AND excellent more-literary stuff. I don’t think it’s an insult to say that Baen is more… Read more »
Rob Crawford
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Sure… but most chamber music is trash, too.

Clamps
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I feel like punk and blues are too leftist for Baen. Baen is black metal or something.

RandyGC
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“90% of science fiction is crap. But then 90% of anything is crap”

– Theodore Sturgeon

DaveP.
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Clamps: If punk was honest with itself, it’d be moving rightwards today. Instead we get endless three-chord paens to how cool the party that’s destroying teenagers’ hopes for the future is, because the other side is like, totally religious and stuff.

Joseph Capdepon II
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Clamps, there are actually quite a few Libertarian and “Right” leaning punk bands out there. You just have to search for them.

Draven
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And we get Green Day on the radio in L.A. in an interview, telling us we HAVE TO go vote for John Kerry on election day.

Tarl
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That pinko literature professor sneered at “militaristic SF books and films” that “suggest the most interesting thing to do with the alien is style it as an invading monster and empty thousands of rounds of ammunition into it.”

Larry, you keep writing those books and I’ll keep buying them!

Woodman
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Hey, this is the guy that Scalzi won’t refer to by name anymore. Cause he’s too hatey hatey racist and sexisty.

tjic (@tjic)
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Exactly. One of the many reasons I love Vox – he’s got the “Not another Scalzi” seal of approval. 😉

aczarnowski
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Good to know. If Scalzi doesn’t like him I’ll give his stuff a shot.

Clamps
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Don’t read it, it’s not worth it. Terrible in every way.

Tom Kratman
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Do you know how we know you’re a fool, Chlamydia? You come to right wing sites, as a plain and obvious leftist, and tell people the books addressed are terrible. Always that word, “terrible.” Do you know what that does, when you do that? It helps us sell books. Why don’t you, yes, you, personally, just send us money?

salgak
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And the sad thing ? Scalzi USED to be decent. “Old Man’s War” was great. . . the later stuff, quality started falling off FAST. .

Clamps
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I read the War In Heaven when it was still free.

Tom Kratman
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Being the frequent victim of mindless morons who equate “doesn’t agree with me politically” to “bad writing,” Keith, I’ve got to say I don’t see a drop off in quality with Scalzi, at least as regards the Old Man’s War _series_. If anything, i think I liked Ghost Brigade better than OMW. Zoe’s Tale I found cute as hell. There was something in The Last Colony that I choked on, briefly, but, since I can’t recall what it was it can’t have been that bad. There will probably be a tendency to equate the following with being patronizing. I don’t… Read more »
Clamps
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I’m not equating them. I don’t agree with you politically. Your writing is bad and you should feel bad. They’re unrelated.

Joseph Capdepon II
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Oh Clamps really? I do believe that since Col. Kratman continues to sell novels and Baen continues to publish them that your childish little insult is just so much bullshit.

Are you a published author with a legion of fans? No? Then who the fuck cares what you think about Col. Kratman’s writing style?

Clamps
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He’s published by Baen, barely a step above self-publishing. He has more people reading Caliphate because he shares their beliefs than people reading it for the story or for the writing style or for the characters.

Tom Kratman
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Chlamydia, nobody takes you seriously. Nobody takes your writing seriously, except for you and you don’t count. Yes, I do feel sorry for you. Yes, I know you want to bear my child but I just don’t swing that way.

Nathan
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Clamps, you’re awfully evangelical in your beliefs. Just because you don’t like any of the authors here doesn’t mean you have to badger people into acting how you think they should. Worse, you give no real reason for your distaste other than you don’t like it. You don’t even give technical reasons for why any of the authors you claim to have write poorly do. And I’m supposed to trust your taste on faith just because you’re shouting your opinion from the rooftops? Many of you critiques, however, have been variations of the theme, “I can/would have done better.” I… Read more »
Clamps
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I don’t like Caliphate because the characters are zero-dimensional, the plot is boring, the message is overshadowed by the fact that the good guys are actually worse than the Caliphate, and the prose is lifeless and dull.

Is that not satisfactory?

Tom Kratman
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There is a sample from Chlamydia linked here somewhere, Nathan. Nose around. Be prepared to hold that nose, though, once you find it. It’s pretty putrescent.

Clamps
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It’s better than Caliphate.

Tom Kratman
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Says the boy* who cannot, by his own admission, recall the difference between one book and another. The man who cannot understand why 13 year olds who have never held a rifle would miss a small, erratically moving target, who doesn’t understand that formed jello quivers differently…fuckwit, you can’t read or _think_, let alone write.

I say “boy” because, if I had to guess, I would peg you as either under 18 or, if older, still living in your parents’ basement, which is morally the same thing.

Clamps
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That reference to Stormtroopers went over your head, didn’t it?

Joseph Capdepon II
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Actually Clamps, I enjoy the way he weaves a story. I eagerly await the next couple of books in his Legion del Cid books and the next Countdown book. He writes excellent military style science fiction and fiction. A whole lot of people think like I do.

How many books have you sold again?

Are you running one of the big publishing houses? Do you have a stable of authors that sell, sell, sell?

You are just a pathetic little wannabe hack. You are fighting way out of your weight class son.

Joseph Capdepon II
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Clamps, if it is better than Caliphate why are you not published?

Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and listen to what your betters have to say.

Clamps
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Because Night Shade Books went kaput.

And because I really should write some short stories to get off the ground.

Clamps
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None of you are my betters. I somehow doubt that my betters spend their time here.

I wish I had M. John Harrison’s talent…

Joseph Capdepon II
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Night Shade does not equal Baen. So bullshit buddy. That is a poor excuse. You are not published because your writing is terrible, otherwise if it was better than Caliphate a publishing house would have published it by now.

So come up with another excuse.

Joseph Capdepon II
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Oh Clamps, you are a delusional one aren’t you. My comments to this blog are better written than what you have graced the internet with. I’m an amateur but I know I’m your better. Everyone here is your better. The authors you are attacking and the publishing house you are attacking are your betters. With your attitude you will never equal any of them. Give me six months to a year of serious work and you won’t equal me. I doubt you equal me now and I know that my work is still rough because I’m still learning. So keep… Read more »
Clamps
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What you’re saying is “Caliphate is good because it’s published and people pay for it.”

Nathan
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Clamps said, “I don’t like Caliphate because the characters are zero-dimensional, the plot is boring, the message is overshadowed by the fact that the good guys are actually worse than the Caliphate, and the prose is lifeless and dull. “Is that not satisfactory?” Not for a public debate. “Zero dimensional” is hyperbole. Your opinion on the plot is subjective. You might not be in the target audience, after all. Your opinion on the message seems to be tied to your personal politics, and while I haven’t read Caliphate, I did read A Desert Called Peace, and the Colonel’s prose seemed… Read more »
Joseph Capdepon II
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No you twit. Caliphate is good because it is well written. It has a defined story arc, characters that are very believable and that you care about and it is entertaining. Why else would it sell so well? Why else would people buy Colonel Kratman’s other books if they were not entertaining?

I’m thinking that it just comes down to you being jealous of those that are more talented than you are and those that have been successful in a field where you have failed.

Clamps
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If the prose isn’t going to draw attention to itself, why write a novel at all?

The only difference between bland prose and badly-written florid prose is the badly-written florid prose is at least fun to laugh at. With bland prose like Kratman’s or Day’s, you don’t even get unintentional fun out of it.

Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
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Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

Clamps, I’m a reader not a writer but I don’t want the “prose” to get in the way of the story. The story is what I purchase novels to get not “great” prose.

John
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I’m an aspiring writer and still learning. Never stop learning. I read that good prose should not, does not attract attention to itself. I would think that it would be like riding in a car. If the ride is smooth (prose is tight, and easy to read) you enjoy the ride. If the ride is choppy, you want to get out ASAP! and put the book down.

Joseph Capdepon II
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Bland? So that is why Larry and Tom sell so many books and other authors at Baen manage to sell so many books? Because it is full of bland prose? You’re a joke boy. You don’t know a damn thing about prose.

So you would like people to laugh at your attempts at prose, as you call it? I find that odd. I would think the point of writing would be to sell something, not have people ridicule and laugh at it.

Joseph Capdepon II
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The only time I remember the prose of a book is with Ray Bradbury. That man could paint a picture with words that made the image stick in your brain.

All other times, it is the story and the characters that stick out, not how it was written, unless it was terrible. I had to put down Interview with a Vampire the one time I tried to read it.

Clamps
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I’m always going to remember the line about stars dancing pavanes in Eternal Light or the line about nanomachines drifting like fish semenin Empty Space, but I don’t remember the hero in Caliphate’s name or anything that happened in A Magic Broken.

Nathan
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Reader immersion matters more. If you can get a reader to keep turning pages until the end, you win. If they set your book aside because their immersion’s been broken too many times, whether through grammar issues, purple prose such as you seem to favor, or an overly showy turn of phrase, you lose. Tell a good story. All else can be forgiven. Prose is just a vehicle for story. Stop trying to insist on flashy rims on a rusted out POS Impala. Story sells. Now, will you have the good grace to stand down instead of being a mindless… Read more »
Clamps
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The fish semen line from Empty Space was amazing and you know it. Actually, the entirety of that book was amazing. Reminds me of someone’s description of J.G. Ballard. (who dices science textbooks and Ernst-like surrealism with devastating precision: see The Drowned World especially)

Go ahead. Give me what you think is the best paragraph you’ve ever written.

Nathan
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Isn’t happening. I realize my prose is fanfic quality. If what Larry posted is accurate, you don’t.

Let’s see, skimming through that link, you’re telling, not showing. Passive voice clutters your prose. Your story stops so you can info-dump description in goat-gagging terms. Write a story or write poetry. Pick one. Oh, there’s Maid and Butler dialogue as well. Joy…

Please tell me you’ve improved since then.

Joseph Capdepon II
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Why Clamps? I know that my writing is still on an amateur level. I have no delusions of grandeur that you seem to have. I am working to become a better writer while you seem to be stuck in some kind of one person circle jerk over your own poor writing.

VD
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“It is rare that anybody remembers the prose after they get done reading a novel, but they’ll remember characters, plot, and cool scenes.”

The exception that proves the rule being Tanith Lee. I would read her recipe box. And, I suspect, afterwards feel haunted by a sense of dark, but bittersweet corruption.

salgak
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Tom, I’m going to disagree: I find Old Man’s War quite re-readable, but Ghost Brigades not nearly as much. And Lost Colony. . . well, I never finished it: it bored me.

But then, my personal gauge **IS** re-readability. I’m on my 9th or 10th pass through the Carrera books. . . I’d worn out my original copy of “Freehold” by the time I got an e-reader, and I can nearly quote, chapter and verse, most of Ringo’s Kildar and Troy Risong books. . . (grin)

salgak
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Larry, that reminds me: I need to dig through the book boxes in the Garage (new house has nowhere near the bookshelf space of the old house. . . )

It’s been ENTIRELY too long since I re-read “Hyperion”. . .

Tom Kratman
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Sure, but that’s _your_ standard, Keith, not a universal one. It is, I admit, a better standard than Chlamydia’s tacit, “Quality of fiction is defined only by the number of distracting and pointless metaphors, plus left wing politics, and the number of meaningless awards those things gather, but it is still highly subjective.

Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
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Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

Tom, often I’ll end a comment on a story/novel with “YMMV” because I know that what I think is a “good read” isn’t what somebody else will think is a “good read” and there’s no way to “prove” that I’m correct (or wrong).

Of course, there are a few books out there that I wonder how anybody could think are “good reads”.

Clamps
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The last decent thing Simmons wrote was Rise of Endymion. Everything after sucked Donkey’s Kong.

tjic (@tjic)
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@Rob Crawford: > Love the Baen-bashing over there. Sorry, but every Baen book I’ve > read is at least enjoyable I reckon you’re talking about my comments, because I think I’m the only one over there saying anything less than 100% complimentary about Baen. I’m not sure how it is that I’m failing to convey my point (which is ** NOT ** Baen-bashing ; Baen is my favorite SF publisher), but let me try one more time: Baen pros: * Baen is open-minded in a way that Tor, etc. are not. * they publish a lot of good novels *… Read more »
Rob Crawford
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Here’s the problem: I define “quality” as “did I enjoy reading that”. Can’t think of a Baen book that has failed that test. Given time, I could find plenty of examples from other publishers that do fail that test, including some that get held up as masterpieces.

And why would I _want_ a “China Mieville-like experience”? Scanning his works, they look boring. My god, one of them is described with terms like “voluminous”, “lyrical”, “edgiest” — can’t say those terms have ever led to a good read.

tjic (@tjic)
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> Here’s the problem: I define “quality” as “did I enjoy reading that”. 100% valid. Certainly, I think that if something FAILS that test, then you’ve got a novel that fails as a novel, no matter what it’s other merits might be. I certainly am NOT a fan of work that you have to suffer to get through. That said, I take a moral and philosophical stance that it’s a good thing to educate our palates. It lets us appreciate some works at multiple levels. For example, back before I started writing myself, I knew that I liked Larry’s stuff,… Read more »
Skip
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So for me, Embassytown was an extremely frustrating book. Mieville is a damned good author, the ideas were interesting, but he must have been paid by the ratio of punctuation marks per sentence. He’s unable to write paragraphs of clean, concise sentences when the possibility exists of concatenating three, four, five, even ten clauses together is present.

DaveP.
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Mieville proves the point that it’s possible to be a truly excellent, one-in-a-million writer… and still be full of beans.

Clamps
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Hmm, I think I’ll take the Mieville over the Kratman or the Vox Day.

Tom Kratman
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Yes, but you’re a wannabe, un- and (based on the sample) never-shall-be-published pussy, _and_ an idiot, so who cares what you prefer? Y’all have a nice day, Chlamydia.

Now don’t run off and cry. We hate it when women and girls and whatever the hell kind or transexual you may be run off and cry.

salgak
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Methinks Clamps couldn’t HANDLE a typical Corriea or Kratman book. We’re talking a classic example of a Krataclysm just waiting to happen.

Of course. . . .for REAL fun, put him in a Vogon Poetry Appreciation chair, and have the Colonel, Larry, Mad Mike, and Ringo do tag-team readings. . . I’d PAY to watch that. . .

Clamps
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I did read Caliphate. It sucked moogle antenna. Call me when you win an award. I’ll eat my shoe.

And, oh yeah, resorting to sexist and homophobic insults? How mature.

tjic (@tjic)
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@Clamps:

> I did read Caliphate. It sucked moogle antenna. Call me when you win an award.

What does an award prove? The Hugos are a political game, worked behind the scenes by factions of the in-crowd. Judge a book on its own merits, not – as they say – by its cover.

Clamps
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It proves more than sales do, if I believe Vox Day when he says he sold 40,000 copies of A Throne of Bones.

And saying awards are politicized is just an excuse.

Clamps
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But that was a post addressed to Kratman, who has not won an award in his life, and not to you.

Clamps
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Vox Day is a professional blogger and the only reason he sold so many copies is because he has a fuckload of sycophants reading his blog.

Kratman is a talentless hack, and I’m saying this because I actually read Caliphate.

NKR
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Larry, you’re not a “real” writer, you’re a “real awesome” writer. Woo Hooo! Clamps. You’re just sad. A sad, little puppet for fascists. Poor Clamps. Wants to be a real boy. 🙁 Baen has the best books I’ve read in a long time. Writers who write amazing dialog and breath-taking action. Why would I read a SF/Fantasy book unless I wanted to read well-written dialog and action? Regardless of the author’s politics? What I’m not enjoying in today’s mainstream SF is the benevolent dictator model. I’ve seen it quite a bit, and it’s disturbing. But since leftists love to believe… Read more »
Patrick Richardson
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Oh fuck me, Clams, you’re such a nitwit. Let me ask you a question.

Simple question really.

I am a professional journalist. In the last 20 years I’ve probably written at least as many words as our host.

I get paid for writing those words.

I have not written a novel.

Am I a real writer?

If not, why?

Show your work.

Clamps
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I didn’t know Baen was renown for its dialogue.

Clamps
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As long as they don’t pretend to be anything else.

Thing is, Vox Day’s The War In Heaven is propaganda. And it was written by a guy who thinks rape is a good thing.

Patrick Richardson
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It proves more than sales do?

God you’re an idiot.

Sales prove all. If a book sells it means people like it. Say a book wins the Hugo, but doesn’t sell but a few hundred copies. Does that mean it was a better book than one that sold millions but didn’t win an award?

egad.

Clamps
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Twilight sold millions of copies. Does that make it good?

scott s
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I read Correia. I agree with most of his politics. My daughter reads Correia, and agrees with none of his politics. Which one of us is the sycophant? Mieville: I read Perdido Street Station. They had a tribe which ‘wanted to be free, so chose socialism.” No explanation, no justification, nothing. The only other thing you ever learned about the tribe is that they like to use ridiculously circuitous language to describe crimes committed bytheir members. I remember almost nothing else in the book. Ken McLeod (can’t remember if he was in this blog or the other): In Learning the… Read more »
salgak
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Tom and Larry are 100% on-point here. The only REAL measure of success for an author, is HOW MANY BOOKS DID YOU SELL. You can write the all-time-best-novel-of-all-eternity, but if you only sell 14 copies, and most of those to relatives, you’re a failure as an author. And “important” works ?? Right. Important means some academics found something about it that they can write papers on, and inflict on unsuspecting students as a means of guaranteeing them their livelyhood. Personally, I have an additional criteria, that separates a merely good book, from a great one. A good book, I enjoyed,… Read more »
Clamps
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Funny that, I seem to remember that Caliphate and A Desert Called Peace were little more than tracts with the thinnest veneer of plot.

Clamps
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Ok, name some books that won awards yet are on the level of Kratman when it comes to style, characterization, or plot?

steve
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Clamps, I’ve got to disagree with you. I don’t think anyone can read “The Watch on the Rhine” and not:
1: Despise Nazis, hippies and socialist politicans.
2: Believe humanity can survive anything, including the aforementioned jerks.

If you want to hate him, do it for the right reasons. He pulled a reverse Correia, and as a honkey, sweet talked a smoking hot latino chick into marrying him. (He’s taking their womenz!).

It has to be evil, somehow. Anything that makes Kratman happy is evil; Metro-Sexual Monthly said so.

NKR
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Clamps, Baen books are renowned for being really good books that readers love. Why do they love them? Because they have really good dialogue, really good action sequences, plots that make sense and follow logic instead of lefty wishful thinking, and characters that engage the reader. Now, sad little puppet of fascists, I know that these things exist in Baen books because I’ve read them. I’m sorry, but you are about as deep as a puddle of flea spit. What’s as sad as you being a puppet of fascists is that you actually think you’re a fairly deep thinker and… Read more »
Clamps
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I hate to say it, but Caliphate had none of those things.

Nathan
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Alright. Put up or shut up. Do better if you can. Sell more if you can. In the mean time, have some class, stop moving goal posts and grind your axe elsewhere.

Geodkyt
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CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

1984 _AND_ Animal Farm. Both of which were also widely panned by leftists and academics when they came out. Highly criticized for being bad propaganda, wrapped in shitty writing.

Two of my favorite books. . .

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Clamps, on April 12, 2013 at 8:06 pm said:
Ok, name some books that won awards yet are on the level of Kratman when it comes to style, characterization, or plot?

Clamps
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Animal Farm on the level of Caliphate? Surely you jest.

Geodkyt
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Don’t get me wrong — love Kratman’s work, although State of Disobedience and Caliphate aren’t my favorites of his. Another “award winning, best selling” author to throw in the mix. L. Ron Hubbard sold a shit-tonne of shitty books, his work makes Kratman’s look like Shakespeare. None of his peers (the greats of the field: people like Asimov, Heinlein, etc.) would have argued he wasn’t a “real” writer. Hell that twit with the Twilight series qualifes — she’s a professional writer, and people give her metric butt loads of money for her work. The fact that I’d rather castrate myself… Read more »
Clamps
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For fuck’s sake, I can at least remember the characters in Animal Farm, which is far more than I can say about Caliphate.

Geodkyt
Guest

The standard for comparison was “. . . style, characterization, or plot. . . ”

Have you ever READ Animal Farm?!? It’s good, but more for its _content_ and _meaning_, not its “style, characterization, or plot”.

Hell, those were the precise attacks the leftists of yesteryear ATTACKED it on!

Clamps
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I have read it and it’s so much better than Caliphate and A Desert Called Peace, or The War In Heaven for that matter.

Ted N
Guest

Didn’t Caliphate get written in about 48 hours? Might have been one of Tom’s other books, can’t remember right now.

Julaire
Guest

“In fact, I should probably put this as its own blog post, because what you said was so fucking stupid that it deserves to be read by thousands so they can point and laugh at you.”

This. Please. Your fiskings are always entertaining. =)

Clamps
Guest

“I’m cold.” Marciana said, her words turning vaporous

Shit. I hate when my words get all vaporous.

Was that metaphor too complicated for you or have you just never stepped outside in sub-zero temperatures?

Nathan
Guest

If you have to explain outside your story, you’ve failed as a writer.

Clamps
Guest

Pardon me, I guess I was expecting someone a bit more intelligent.

Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard
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Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

I doubt that you’d recognize intelligence when you saw it.

Clamps
Guest

I have a lot of things to read. When I’m finished, I’ll turn Monster Hunter International a new asshole.

Clamps
Guest

I meant tear. Alas, your stupidity must be contagious and there’s no edit button.

michaelzwilliamson
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John Scalzi is a professional blogger and the only reason he sold so many copies is because he has a fuckload of sycophants reading his blog.
Stross is a talentless hack, and I’m saying this because I actually read ….well, okay, the paraphrase breaks down here, because having met and talked to the “man,” I can’t imagine ever wasting brain cells on anything he writes.

Tom Kratman
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Guys, forget how chlamydia writes. Here’s an example of how he _reads_: http://seekingnewearth.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/caliphate/#comments (Since Will le Fet leads to Yama’s site, one suspects it’s our very own chlamydia, the wannabe who never shall.) IOW, 13 year old boys, who have never before held a rifle, cannot hit a tiny moving target, yet are somehow grads of the imperial stormtrooper school of marskmanship. And apparently mixed up Caliphate with another book… And why molded jello quivers… And the strawman who, in fact, existed in German y according tom police records… Now, personally, I think Chlamydia’s issue with me is that I’m… Read more »
Tom Kratman
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“Smoking hot,” like the pics on my site, barely does her justice, Steve. I’ve seen her cause traffic jams and accidents on the streets of Boston, just by walking along the sidewalk. Restaurants would go quiet when she entered. Yolanda was absolutely _the_ most beautiful person, place or thing I have ever seen in my life.

She’s over fifty and still smoking hot, too.

Clamps
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But but but but

“Quivers like the product of a jello mold.”
The product of a jello mold. Not “like jello.”
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT CRAP?

Anything I write is better than that.

Clamps
Guest

IOW, 13 year old boys, who have never before held a rifle, cannot hit a tiny moving target, yet are somehow grads of the imperial stormtrooper school of marskmanship.

*facepalm*

VD
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“Vox Day is a professional blogger and the only reason he sold so many copies is because he has a fuckload of sycophants reading his blog.” Clamps aka Yama, you claim to know so much about my writing, and yet you obviously don’t know that what you claim is impossible. The War in Heaven was published in 1999 in mass market paperback and 2000 in trade paperback. It had three printings, 30,000, 5,000 and 8,000. It sold through all three printings before mid-2001. I started my blog, which is on target for its first one million Google views this month,… Read more »
Spencer Cotter
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VD “That’s beyond stupid. At the very least, don’t you realize that professional editors, agents, and publishers read our blogs?” Don’t forget critics(I am still a greenhorn), though at this point I don’t think you could pay me to review his material. That’s one of the reasons I follow this blog, to sit back and shut up most of the time and watch authors, and other professional types talk. I’m trying to improve my writing style, as I know my first attempt at satire fell short. I started writing reviews for Plays, and now novels to improve my writing as… Read more »
Clamps
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Cantianilla is a real name. Unlike Lithriel Everbright and Caitlys Shadowsong.

Marcher Lord Press and Baen, maybe. And I want nothing to do with Marcher Lord Press and Baen.

Clamps
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Marcher Lord published Vox Day, most likely for religious reasons since it certainly isn’t about quality.

I have no desire to be published by Baen. Maybe Night Shade, had they not collapsed.

Clamps
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and my latest book was recently declared the best, and most ambitious, epic fantasy series of the last decade by multiple reviewers, including one professional writer.

By some nobodies on Amazon who probably wouldn’t have read a fantasy novel that didn’t have the name Vox Day on it.

VD
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“Marcher Lord Press and Baen, maybe. And I want nothing to do with Marcher Lord Press and Baen.” What about Simon and Schuster, Pocket Books, Ace, and Random House? The thing is Clamps, people move around a lot in the industry. And if you’d actually read The War in Heaven, you’d know that the editor who signed it, and liked it so much that he published two more books in that series and signed me to another book contract afterwards, is now a Publisher and Senior Vice President at Random House. Pretty much all the people whose approval you’d need… Read more »
Clamps
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I read War in Heaven and I even did a chapter by chapter recap of it.

Tom Kratman
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Here’s a point from Chlamydia’s own comment from his putrescent little sample: “Vox Day has at least one hundred and seventy five followers and that depresses the fuck out of me.” His _obvious_ problem is he’s driven by envy. He has no talent and tries to substitute quasi-literary wankery for it. He had no experience in even _observing_ the real world, hence cannot describe it. He doesn’t have the raw brainpower to understand what he lacks or even to grasp that he lacks it, hence unwittingly puts up trash that people read only to ridicule. But over all of that… Read more »
Tom Kratman
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Hmmm…just for fun’s sake, here’s Chlamydia’s first sentence and then the same thing, but in English that actually works:

Chlamydia: “The three of us holed up in an abandoned factory devoid of any life for the night.”

English: “Then three of us holed up for the night in an abandoned factory, devoid of any life.”

You don’t know why sentence 2 works and yours doesn’t, do you?

Tom Kratman
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And then there’s the ephemeral beauty of, “Icicles held captive beads of brilliant golden sunlight. “Stay quiet,” I warned Ava. Her response was little more than a sullen glance. We were in a long hallway filled with junk and fallen chunks of the concrete roof. Icicles held captive beads of brilliant golden sunlight. ” You really think that Icicles line is good enough to repeat twice in two sequential paragraphs? You laughably pathetic shit. And, since you’re holing up for the _night_, what kind of icicles are they that are still holding that captive sunlight? Must be some amazing isotope… Read more »
salgak
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Clamps, Larry has pointed the way to your writing. I just read chapter 3 of “Nocturne”. ( http://yamathespacefish.deviantart.com/art/Nocturne-chapter-3-105196396 ).

I think this will see LOTS of reading in the future. It’s a worthy alternative to the “Eye of Argon”. This is worthy of a Master-Class Argon-type open reading competition. . .

Clamps
Guest

If I did post the line twice, it’s because I made a mistake.

And as I said, it’s certainly better than anything you’ve written, is it not?

Tom Kratman
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Ummm..no, it’s not. And you’re too stupid to even know why, aren’t you? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ha.

Clamps
Guest

And to both Larry and Tom, I thought “BEING AN ASSHOLE IS BAD FOR YOUR CAREER BECAUSE LITERARY AGENTS AND WRITERS READ THESE BLOGS SO DON’T BE AN ASSHOLE OR NOBODY WILL LIKE YOU OR PUBLISH YOUR WORK.”
Because you said something like that, did you not?

And don’t tell me you’ve earned the right to be an asshole, because a fifth-rate author published by Baen probably hasn’t.

Tom Kratman
Guest

That’s okay, I have the original saved on my computer under Eye of Argon Vol. II. We can have a grand time with it at future cons.

Clamps
Guest

I’m sure it’s better. I confess I’ve only read Caliphate and maybe there are some amazing metaphors about stars dancing stately pavanes or “nanocameras, drifting in the air like fish semen” in there, but somehow I doubt it.

Tom Kratman
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I wasn’t planning on it. I find I just can’t deal with cons too readily without booze, and I don’t drink, so…

Tom Kratman
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There’s only one real metaphor in there. You should try to get out of your mind that the metaphor is the mark of good writing. It’s a useful technique, nothing more. Overuse of metaphor, on the other hand, is the mark of a pretentious hack – someone, say, like _you_ – who tries to use the technique as the substitute for ability.

s2la
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I read the linked text from “Yama,” It seemed familiar.

Then I realized where I had seen it before. Our local school system teaches something called “Writing to Read.” It’s a program for First Graders in which they are told to write *anything* irrespective of spelling or grammar, just put words on paper.

Tom Kratman
Guest

Shot, over, to the same addy I had for you from the Patrick Richardson interview with you, me, and jerry. That work?

Clamps
Guest

Most of the hacks I’ve read are actually pretty bland and the characters they write are stereotypes.

Tom Kratman
Guest

I knew you didn’t drink.

Thing is, I am really pretty egalitarian. Fan – you shoud pardon the expression – squeee just creeps me out. I wasn’t even comfortable having a designated parking spot as a company commander, so…

The booze used to help me deal with squeee…without it, the squeee kills.

s2la
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Larry: “I’m the toastmaster at LibertyCon this year. I think we need to squeeze this in as a dramatic reading one night. I’ll make sure somebody records it for you. We’ll make sure to preface the whole thing with telling everybody about Clamps stalking you around the internet first.” You’re on. I’ll be there with the usual video gear. Let’s do this around the pool right before the Mad Scientist Roundtable on Saturday night! Tom: Are you *sure* we can’t talk you into LibertyCon? Lots of folks you know will be there, we can count them fans and video that… Read more »
Tom Kratman
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Chlamydia, forget it. You have been efficiently and effectively ridiculed to the point of evisceration. Everyone here is just laughing at you and your pretention and absurb hackery. Rather than hurting either Larry, Vox, or myself, you have helped us sell books. Even as a troll you are a loser. Nothing you can say, no editing to your silly opus you might do, can change that.

You’re a loser, boy. Get used to it and get over it.

Oh, and get a job and move out of your parents’ basement, would you?

Tom Kratman
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I dunno…I’m just really unenthused about cons. But ask Kelly Locklear sometime about Shannon, the hot liberal chick with the wimp boyfriend, and the power of anti-liberal and mysogynistic speech.

Patrick Richardsonrdson
Guest

You realize the Clap is now going to tell us how Dr. Pournelle (I couldn’t call him Jerry if he asked me to, it’s a respect thing) isn’t a real writer.

Clamps
Guest

He’s certainly not a good writer, I’ll say that.

Tom Kratman
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Well…as all good stories begin, “Now this is no shit.” It is, in fact, no shit. Ask Kelly. I was at Libertycon ten years ago. I was in the Army. I was 5’10”, 165 pounds, and not bad looking. Moreover, I had (still have) killer eyes and had (but don’t anymore) a just shy of commercial quality singing voice. And I’ve always been lucky with women. See, eg, wifey. Several of us are talking and arguing at a table by the pool. One of these is a – again, no shit – hot liberal chick named Shannon, IIRC. I am… Read more »
VD
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Chapter Three of Nocturne is the best. I love the long, meandering self-introductory monologue from Vanilliana Caberetescu, the Greatest Swordswoman in all Caretamillivanilli that finally, after many twists and turns ends with: “So, what are your names, wayfarers?”

That is true Argon quality and has turned into somewhat of a catchphrase at VP. It’s so bad it’s awesome. So, one has to credit him with concocting one bit of immortal dialogue.

Clamps
Guest

Did you forget to change your name to James May, Vox?
Hm, now I get it… you’re rich enough to spend your entire life blogging… you probably bought all those copies of your book yourself to inflate sales numbers.

Jordan S. Bassior
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The long paragraph that Mr. Marston (Clamps’ real name) wrote is an example of what I have termed “missile salvo” dialogue. As you Evil Right-Wing Folk may know, in modern naval warfare one needs to fire more than one or two missiles to get through the active defenses of an enemy task group, one must launch a large salvo, to ensure that even if some are shot down the rest penetrate. Marston’s approach to dialogue is similar — he writes as if his characters were trying to say as many things as fast as they can in order to penetrate… Read more »
WoodyTX
Guest

Heh. I stopped reading Gaiman because of all the BJs…

DaveP.
Guest

I gave up on him when he was co-writing for Sandman and had all the English Conservatives as tools of Hell…

michaelzwilliamson
Guest

I gave up today when he repeated Scalzi’s crap about how white is easy (without any consideration of background), after I looked up his background to find out…sure enough, his parents own a chain of pharmacies, and they’re all Scientologists.

I guess they’re being correct–being a white, upper middle class douchenozzle IS the easy setting in life. Their mistake is in assuming all white people fit that mold.

Now, if they decided all black people looked alike…what would we call that?

VD
Guest

Wait, Clamps aka Yama is a SCIENTOLOGIST! Oh, sweet Travolta… that explains so much. And it is the funniest thing I have heard in weeks, possibly months.

Gentlemen, of course our collective works cannot possibly rival the One True Standard for literature, the magnum opus of speculative fiction, BATTLEFIELD EARTH!

scott s
Guest

Nah, Battlefield Earth is readable as a comedic disaster. Yama’s magnum opus reminded me of the emo poetry i didn’t write in high school, twenty years ago

DaveP.
Guest

VD, Scott: waitaminute, are we talking Gaiman or Clamps?

scott s
Guest

um, clamps, was the one i was responding to, looks like.

scott s
Guest

seem to have missed the changeover from gaiman some how

joecrouse
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Consider that the Saint Crispen’s day speech is possibly one of the greatest Soliloquies in Literature. Is infact the mother of all Battle Speaches that is High Praise Indeed for only in TRUELY HORRIBLE CHAOS is when humanity shows through its highest ideals, Friendship Camaraderie, Sacrifice, Heroism, Mercy and Forgiveness. These books even illustrate the Putting down the sword and beating it into a plowshare. At the risk of Godwinating my argument we not only rebuilt Japan and Germany We became Fast friends with them. (Even the Posleen get forgiven eventually they even get called upon to fight I suspect… Read more »
perlhaqr
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Yeah, but I’m not reading Kratman for wicked-cool interstallar engineering. (That’s what Banks is for. :D) I’m reading him for kicking the ass of bad guys. Ok, and for mocking lefties. I like that part too. (Yeah, I know, zombie comment. Blame Larry for reposting this link on his FB.)

Jordan S. Bassior
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You’re right. Most publishing houses would not put up with trash-talking Muslims. Trash-talking Christians or Jews, but not Muslims. Now when exactly did showing exaggerated respect for Islam as opposed to other religions become a mark of science-fictional excellence? And why should it be? Power armor — well, if you’re going to write about infantry combat in any future later than Next Sunday A.D., that’s pretty much going to be there for the same reason that someone writing about future war in 1935 was likely to mention strategic air warfare. Vast hordes of enemies spilling toward the small redoubt of… Read more »
Sean
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I grew up on a steady diet of science fiction. My dad was a conservative Canadian and SCIFI nut. I read all the classics, and then moved on to more contemporary authors. I couldn’t agree more. If it wasn’t for people like Correia, and Baen Books I would stay in the world history section and mourn the loss of my favorite genre to the sensitivity shock troops. I only just discovered the MHI books , andI hit them like a fat kid at the ice cream bar. Thanks Mr. Correia for the great books and keep up the good work..… Read more »
Orion
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Not all of the comments are anti-Baen over there (just dropping on a link from there). I’ve been reading Baen books for decades. I my last print purchase just happens to have been Larry’s “Hard Magic” (I’ve been forced to cut the size of my physical collection due to moving for work, so most new purchases are on a Kindle). I wish Baen would release Kindle versions of a large number of their older titles (Jerry Pournelle and Larry Niven for instance).

tjic (@tjic)
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@Skip > So for me, Embassytown was an extremely frustrating book. YES. As I wrote over in Vox’s blog: VOX: China Mieville’s Embassytown is both innovative and exceptional. TJIC: What Mieville was trying to do was absolutely innovative, and I guess – in a technical sense – it was exceptional. It failed as literature, though, and it absolutely failed as an enjoyable read. Embassytown is actually a perfect example of the academic Cathedral sneaking in to science fiction and destroying everything masculine and interesting and freedom-loving about it. It’s one big academic wank-fest, the Sapir Worf hypothesis dug up from… Read more »
Insectress
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I work in science. Except for 7 months, I have always worked in science. As a youngster, I read science fiction and fantasy, and the books I read only encouraged my love of science. The authors I read had scientists doing Bleeding Edge research and both she positive and negative results of the technology. And how the unforeseen results can surprise everyone. As I grew up, this attitude seemed to change in the sci-fI/f I read. Instead of being people of action and adventure, scientists were depicted as useless, Ivory-towered, or engaging in ‘evil’ science. At this point I wonder… Read more »
Hardware
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Insectress, you REALLY need to read some of Travis Taylor’s stuff. Not evil, definitely not evil. Travis Taylor’s stuff also has the hard science chops that I suspect you will appreciate. I’m familiar with him for Back to the Moon and the Vorpal Blade series, good reads.

Ted N
Guest

Second vote for the Vorpal Blade series, add John Ringo’s newer series to the list as well. I think he’s going with the Hot Gate as the name for the series, can’t remember.

s2la
Guest

If Insectress is who I think she is… she is familiar with Taylor’s stuff!

salgak
Guest

Say what you will about Doc Travis’s writing. It’s NOT “War and Peace”, and doesn’t try to be. It’s full-up high-tech Space Opera, and a blast to read. I just wish Travis and John would start on the next one already, but they have more pressing projects. . .

Spencer Cotter
Guest
“It’s NOT “War and Peace” Ugh HS flash back. War and Peace was an interesting read, but the report… The teacher randomly drew the type of assignment out of a hat (full report, oral report, whatever else type of report.). After I had finished reading the entire freaking book she announces to the class. “This assignment will be a half page essay written in class on the book you just read.”. How the hell does one sum up war and peace in a half page essay!? Bad times. As for the space opera you mentioned, I’ve never read one and… Read more »
Patrick Richardson
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“1,200 pages of maudlin Russian bullshit and then everyone dies.”

Joseph Capdepon II
Guest

Warp Speed and The Quantum Connection have strong scientist characters. Great books and I highly recommend them.

Kevin Findley
Guest

Vox’s description of the SF/F Community makes it sound like a high school literature club somehow took over. Depressing.

tjic (@tjic)
Guest

> Vox’s description of the SF/F Community makes it sound like a high school literature club somehow took over.

That’s not fair.

Having been on the high school literary magazine, I can tell you that there was SOME diversity of opinion.

😉

tuco
Guest

I’m not going to read that article. It’s obviously racist.

cthulhu363
Guest

Clamps: so in other words “only his fans read his books, so he’s not a real author”???? What the hell kind of logic is that?! Until you publish a book and make money, please don’t try to argue anymore….though it is hilarious to see you smacked down over and over agian.

Clamps
Guest

The thing is with Vox, only people who read his blog read his books.

Clamps
Guest

That means there are 40,000 people who share his opinions on women and non-whites and that is not a good thing.

crawtona
Guest

Or everyone who reads his books reads his blog? Sounds like his books inspire quite the following. Got ourselves a genuine troll here. Unfortunately, it’s pretty terrible at it.

Clamps
Guest

He’s not necessarily a rapist, but he is an apologist for rape and he did say that women working is worse than rape and that marital rape doesn’t exist.

Spencer Cotter
Guest
And all that has any bearing on if he is a “real writer” or not? It sounds like your hang ups with him are of a personal nature. I disagree with Anne Rice on many things, but I still like her vampire chronicles. Her Memnoch devil character is very well written. Her politics leave much to be desired though. My disliking her politics doesn’t have squat to do with if she is a “real writer” or not. I’m sure there are things I disagree with Larry about, maybe even strongly disagree with him. He still gets my money every time… Read more »
Brian
Guest

Congratulations Clamps! Your participation in this thread just sold at least 1 of Vox’s books. I’d never read his blog till Larry linked to it, but anyone that irks a dipshit like you has my business

Chris DeBoe
Guest

Vox has a blog? How did I read three of his books and not know that?

Clamps
Guest

You’re going to regret that decision…

VD
Guest

“The thing is with Vox, only people who read his blog read his books.”

Actually, my book sales are remarkably low considering how many people read my blog. As it happens, most of those who come for the economics, the philosophy, or the ideology have zero interest in my fiction because they don’t read fiction, or even when they do, they don’t like fantasy.

Although some of those who do very much like Larry’s stuff, which is how I stumbled across his blog in the first place.

Jordan S. Bassior
Guest

By definition, it is mostly one’s “fans” who read one’s books. Why would those who didn’t like one’s stories bother to read them? And why would such readership be valued?

Spencer Cotter
Guest
I have to hold my tongue when I am at the premier of a Play I’m about to review. Not everyone down in Hollywood hates libertarians or conservatives. Most are quite nice when you get to know them, but the tone of the room makes me think if I opened my mouth I might burn future bridges. After watching a particularly bloody Play though I did over hear an interesting conversation. Someone mentioned while auditioning years ago they had a knife on them and it was serendipitous because someone had gotten caught in some rigging just off stage. Someone listening… Read more »
Geodkyt
Guest

Heh. Had some senior Administrivial folks down from the West Coast and Crystal City (NoVA) come to talk to us lowly engineer types. Some HR drone needed to cut something, asked if anyone had a knife in their office or something.

Half the office (including our 40-something “tweeds and horses” MILF HR/office admin type, AND a visiting VP type in a London suit who was a retired USMC COL) had our assisted opening knives out and snapped open before she finished the sentance. The other half had their hands full. . .

Geodkyt
Guest

Seeing the look on the HR drone’s face, I was tempted to start singing, “When you’re a Jet, you’re a Jet all the way. . . ”

Luckily, I had an attack of filters, so I strangled the urge.

Julaire
Guest
This is getting off topic, but I really hope that the Flight Attendants union doesn’t get their way when it comes to lifting the ban on knives on airplanes. I keep a leatherman in my purse, and I regularly have to fly to another city for work trips (I’m a sysadmin). I always have to remember to pull it out so they don’t confiscate it at the airport, and when I’m int he off-site data center, invariably, I’m wishing I had it with me to work on something. You can provide a lot more torque on a screw with a… Read more »
Spencer Cotter
Guest

Cousins have had new girlfriends over for birthdays at whatever restaurant chain will take 20+ people. Someone opening their gift and can’t undo the ribbon and said “knife?”. All the men stood and pulled out knives. The new comers eyes grow very wide and a look of fear crosses their face. An aunt says “All Cotter men carry knives.”.

I found a loophole at my campus, knives are frowned upon(not banned but strongly frowned upon), but I’m a Physics and Mechanical Engineering major. “This isn’t a knife officer, it’s a multi-tool. Never know when you will need various tools.”.

michaelzwilliamson
Guest

Julaire: Leatherman tools will not be allowed. Nothing that locks open, nothing over 6cm, nothing with a shaped handle, nothing with a guard. The classic small (2″) Swiss Army Knife is what they show on the chart.

EVENTUALLY they may change that, but don’t hold your breath.

s2la
Guest

Yeah, I was at a review for a DARPA project – someone needed a knife – project manager turned to me and said – you’ve got a knife, right?

Spencer Cotter
Guest
Julaire, I feel you on the leatherman. I carry a SOG with me at all times. I felt naked without it when flying recently. First thing I did when I got my luggage was strap on my knives. Then I went and hailed a taxi. Sadly my SOG blade is .14 inches too long. Your utility tool might just have the same specs as my SOG, so you still might not be able to use it. Not to worry, I’ll just take another knife from my equipment. Worst comes to worse, I’ll go out and buy the best knife that… Read more »
bearcat
Guest

“Sadly my SOG blade is .14 inches too long.”

That is easily cured with a little application from a whetstone. My pocketknife is over a half inch shorter now than it was new, due to sharpening it so much. On of these days I’m going to have to get a new one, but honestly I prefer the shape of the blade now to what it was new.

Spencer Cotter
Guest

bearcat, my blade is due for a sharpening. I won’t take off more than is needed though. I’ll just use this as an excuse to buy a new blade that fits the rules/regulations. You can never have too many good blades. Plus the concept of having a blade specifically for flying strikes my odd sense of humor just right.

Ted N
Guest

I’ve used squee since I read the Johnny The Homicidal Maniac comics.

“Where the fuck is the bactine!?” heh.

I always love the room-full-o-knives reaction.

Julaire
Guest

“I have to keep the walls wet! The color changes when it dries!”

DaveP.
Guest

“…I have BRAIN EXPLODY!!!”

VD
Guest
I’ve got a blog post on this coming, but to put it briefly, it is my considered opinion that no man should ever squee or use the phrases “OMG”, much less “ZOMG”. As a general rule, if it sounds like a teen girl would use it, or do it, the wise man will tend to avoid it. On the other hand, there is a reasonable case to be made that any man who carries that many sharp objects around with him should be deferred to on the basic principle of argumentatio ab lammina. In which case, by all means, squee… Read more »
Spencer Cotter
Guest
I generally only do so in the privacy of my home or among my uber geeky friends. In public or around my Fraternity Brothers I’m more reserved. 🙂 I would carry more blades, but at a certain point it becomes a hassle and I can just resort to my 2.5 pound cane that I bought specifically for self defense(read face smashing). Everyone alwayse compliments me on how cool it looks; when I tell them I got it at a weapon store the back up a little. I’m a Utilitarian, if I need a cane I might as well make a… Read more »
americanpraetorian
Guest

I agree that “squee” is an extremely unmanly thing. Of course, even if I had the urge, I can’t get my voice high enough to make such a sound. I just stick to “f—ing awesome.”

joecrouse
Guest

Speaking as a geek, Not only have I been known to SQUEE. I have also shout KWAII!!!!!!! unironically

Nate
Guest

I can honesty say that between the commenting on the Vox and of course the always excellent Larry Correia I am again glad that I found Baen books and its stable of offbeat and awesome authors.

I dont care what idiots like Captain Clap err Clamps or his ilk have to say.

May your powder always be dry sirs!

John
Guest

Reblogged this on Writing and other sporadic stuff and commented:
Following the commentary was a blast this afternoon. The person known as Clamps should be wary of attacking others on the internet. The net is hardly anonymous anymore. I imagine perhaps, someday he/she (Clamps) actually sold something and started a career in writing, they might want to keep the money rolling in. So being on your best behavior might be a good thing. Just in case Anonymous targets you for some reason and put out your dirty laundry with your real name attached.

steve
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John,

Say what you want about clamp’s bad writing, he at least managed to get a few private lessons on writing from world class authors. At no charge.

I’d guess his blog hits increased by an order of magnitude as well. And he got to have fun as a troll. He is somewhat famous now. I hope he enjoys his 15 minutes.

John
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😀

Clamps
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What world class authors?

Spencer Cotter
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“What world class authors?”
You really don’t know how to give up do you? I’ll say this for you, you’ve got moxie kid… Your head is screwed onto the wrong end, but you’ve got moxie.

Jordan S. Bassior
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Yama, these are people who sell books by the tens of thousands. Do you?

Spencer Cotter
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Larry, is Clamps really Melvin, and your finally letting Monster Hunter Nation in on the fact that MHI is really your autobiography?

Najmul Hasan
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Larry, i am facing a peculiar problem . . I live in Bangladesh, and we can not use online purchase due to a central Bank prohibition . . . I do so want to buy hard & soft copy of all your books, specially the new one (Warbound…. i think)….. can you please tell me how people from our part of the world buy your books ?

Brad R. Torgersen
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Wait, this Clamps chap is Will le Fey? Will came around my blog for a short time about 2 years ago. I always wondered what happened to him. Suffice to say that literary writers who are marooned in the supreme agony of their day jobs — forever hating on and railing against writers who make money — are a dime a dozen. As Eric Flint says, good writing just isn’t that common. “Good” being defined as enjoyable prose that a significant number of people like — to the extent these people will reliably buy the author and pay the publisher… Read more »
Julie
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Considering the writing sample linked herein, I’m not sure that Clamps is a “boutique” writer so much as he’s just… terrible.

DaveP.
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Vox- just bought a copy of Summa Elvetica. Chalk one up for yourself and Larry.

VD
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Pleased to hear it. I hope you enjoy it despite its complete lack of machine guns. In the immortal words of Disturbed, “All the people on the right wing… rock”.

“Wait, this Clamps chap is Will le Fey?”

He is indeed. Also Dan, Luscinia Hafez, and Yama the Spacefish. Among others.

scott s
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also bought Throne of Bones, will read it after i finish rereading Cordwainer Smith

DaveP.
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Rereading Cordwainer Smith is time well spent.

VD
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“also bought Throne of Bones, will read it after i finish rereading Cordwainer Smith”

May I suggest the latest Laurell K. Hamilton novel as a palate cleanser? I suspect that will do my book a little more justice than coming at it fresh from Smith….

DaveP.
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“…the latest Laurel K. Hamilton…”
What- has her main character found some new paranormal species she HASN’T humped yet?
Seriously, her first three Anita Blake books were cool but at this point I’m just trying to figure out how she avoids having to ship ’em in plain brown wrappers.

DaveP.
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Larry, I wasn’t criticizing her personally or her popularity, just her tropes. I’m sure she’s a great person and she sells a lot of books, and like I said her first three AB books were cool as a frostbitten penguin ( and they also basically created their own genre, and not many other authors could say that)… but I’ve read most of her stuff and she’s basically transitioned from ‘contemporary-paranormal storytelling’ to ‘paranormal porn’. Which is okay if you like it. but I prefer my F&SF without. When even webcomics (Skin Horse) make fun of your tropes, they’re pretty obvious.
scott s
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don’t have Hamilton any more. will cleanse palate with Howard Zinn, or something equally inane. And yes, Hamilton’s developed a good niche, I just can’t crawl in there anymore.

BigFire
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Going through Throne of Bones. Probably not the best place to start your series. But I hate backtracking.

Jordan S. Bassior
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Yama’s actual name is Andrew Marston. Though he claims it’s not “Andrew,” so I could by wrong on the Christian name part. I think he’s also some kind of Muslim convert, so he may have taken some silly name by now.

nikola1172
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Vox,will War in Heaven come on kindle?

VD
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All three EW books are already available on Kindle.

Here is The War in Heaven

nikola1172
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Thanks.Got it

nikola1172
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Started reading War in Heaven.Thanks Clamps.Without you I might have missed out.BTW Vox,great book and love your blog

Lynne
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I don’t like left wingers, right wingers, or moderates. I love guns, adventures, etc – and I just finished Monster Hunter Vendetta, and tho ready to order the third, I made the mistake of checking out this blog and learning about the political views of the author. And now I’m totally turned off. I’ve made this mistake with left- wing authors too, with the same result: it ruins the whole experience for me, and I never buy any of their books anymore. Ever. I don’t give 2 hoots what your politics are – but I WAS willing to trade my… Read more »
roninjoseph338
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So apathetic, so pathetic. You don’t like left, right or moderates? You must really lead a sad lonely life then.

Bob
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Damn! I wish I would have known how utterly epic this thread would have been before I clicked on it — I would have tossed some popcorn in the microwave. Though, in hindsight, it’s probably good that I didn’t. I probably would have burned the popcorn, and then the kitchen (and probably the living room) would just reek of burned popcorn. Besides, my dentist really doesn’t want me eating popcorn 🙁

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