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The Sad Puppies Hugo campaign… Sorta successful for everybody but me. :)

So the Sad Puppies Hugo stacking campaing was a success for almost everybody else I pushed, but me, as we didn’t get enough to break MHL into best novel.  It will be interesting to see how close we got when the numbers come out after the awards.

Considering how many of the Monster Hunter Nation picks made it, that’s pretty cool, since my fans aren’t exactly the WorldCon type.  Oh, but we will be back… Just out of spite. You think Sarah McLachlan music is sad? You ain’t seen nothing yet. 🙂

Toni Weiskopf is up for Best Editor, long form. She really really deserves to win, but SMOF hates all of Baen except for Bujold, so we’ll see what happens there. Jim Baen, who launched tons of careers of some of the biggest names and series in sci-fi, had to die before he got a nomination, and even then he lost to David Hartwell, who has spare Hugos cluttering up his house.

Vincent Chong, who did the Mage Brute (French Hard Magic) cover is up for Best Artist.

My friends at Elitist Book Reviews are nominated, and deserve a win for having the best review place on the internet. If they lose, it will be because somebody in SMOFdom discovered I like them.

Stan Schmidt needs to win best editor, short form. He’s retiring now, but he’s only run the leading sci-fi magazine for like the last couple of decades, launching the careers of literally hundreds of writers.  But he’s no Doctor Who.

Here is the list of all the nominees:

http://elitistbookreviews.blogspot.com/2013/03/2013-hugo-award-nominees.html

And for those of you that follow this stuff, it is pretty much what you expect, as in a big SMOF popularity contest where various people with lots of WorldCon factions politicking for them are insta-noms, and everybody else is shut out.  Luckily, only one of the nominees for best novel is a dying polar bear story of global warming sadness and evil capitalism, which would normally win, but it will surely lose to Scalzi, who is liberal blogger who happens to write books too, and God help us if they ever start doing Doctor Who novelizations because that will be your five nominees a year.

For the other Best Novel noms, Lois Bujold is awesome, but she’s won like 8 Hugos. Mira Grant is cool as heck. In person, she’s really great, and I like her, but notice that since she is beloved by SMOF, she is nominated in every Hugo category except Car of the Year. Saladin’s a nice guy, and beloved by SMOF (we were up for the Campbell at the same time), but I’m predicting he’ll come in last, becasue this is his only book and he’s not built up a huge SMOF backer faction yet, but just having nominated a guy with an ethnic name will make the SMOFers feel all warm and tingly inside and good about themselves, so that’ll be enough for them. (Note, I’m not actually placing any bets that the voters actually read all the works).

My buddy Brandon Sanderson is up for Novella, but he’ll probably lose for not being popular enough with the SMOFers, which is too bad because the story is unfreakingbelievable. Mira Grant would normally win this one because of how many WorldCon fans she’s got, but Jay Lake will win this category easily. Sure he’s very talented, but he’ll win because he’s fighting cancer, and the votes aren’t decided on the actual books. Once again, I’ll be surprised if half the voters actually read the stories.

My buddy Howard Tayler is up for one for best graphic story, but he’ll probably lose for not being trendy enough because he’s only been telling this story every single day for 12 years. Both Brandon, Howard, and my friend Dan Wells are up for Writing Excuses again (a Podcast which helps thousands of aspiring writers improve their craft and learn the business) but they are up against something Doctor Who related, so they will inevitably lose.

In Novelletes, Seanan McGuire has two noms, and she is Mira Grant, so she wins this one.  Also, the way the Hugo votes work so the lowest count nom is dropped, then the next, and the next, and your 2nd and 3rd places votes count too, you don’t have a problem with faction’s splitting the vote. To be fair, Seanan got screwed a couple of years ago for best novel, and had the most 1st place votes, but still lost once they worked out their weird Hugo vote tabulation magic.

Game of Thrones isn’t being considered a movie this year, because it got its Hugo. And now it is back to the Doctor Who love, because you know, there were absolutely no other TV shows made over the last decade.

I found this because of the blog trackback to my Sad Puppies campaign. It is a pretty good overview of some of the problems with the Hugos. And I think he is only scratching the surface of the issues:  http://www.staffersbookreview.com/2013/04/can-we-stop-talking-about-the-hugos-now.html

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Steve
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3 years 4 months ago
John Scalzi is an insufferable asshole. That said, he writes pretty entertaining books. Redshirts was funny enough that I often laughed out loud, and at times it was even touching. Kudos to him that I only vaguely pick up on his political philosophy when I’m reading his books. (I expect SciFi authors to be flaming leftists, so maybe my filter is set to “high”.) That said, I had to stop reading his blog, because it made me want to never read one of his books again. I couldn’t disagree with him more on absolutely everything. And he has that whole… Read more »
steve
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steve
3 years 4 months ago

It’s a good thing you have a picture as an avatar, because I read your name & comment and at first thought I’d posted and forgotten about it.

I agree completely on everything you just typed.

Steve
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3 years 4 months ago

Classic!

Rene
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Rene
3 years 4 months ago

As to why you disagree with Scalzi on EVERYTHING, I suggest viewing Evan Sayet’s talk on “how liberals think” from 5 Mar 2007. In that presentation he explains exactly why they always get it wrong, all the time – it isn’t stupidity, and it isn’t evil – it is that they actively, and willfully refuse to discern the difference between good and bad, success and failure. They refuse to even notice a difference, it is just different opinions, different choices, different beliefs.

Steve
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3 years 4 months ago

I’ll definitely check that out. I’ve known enough liberals that I really like or respect as human beings to know that it isn’t willful evil or stupidity.

Murphy7
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Murphy7
3 years 4 months ago

Much as I dislike his politics, he gets some things right as well. He is very much in favor of people being paid for their work, and I am inclined to agree with his anticreeping posts as well.

Much as I like to read what Larry has to say on subjects, to find something I can agree with that is put into words fun to read; I also like to read Scalzi at whatever, even while disagreeing with him on many points.

I occasionally listen to NPR too, but mainly because I like Car Talk.

Lazy Bike Commuter
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3 years 4 months ago

Agree about Redshirts. I found Old Man’s War to be HIGHLY overrated.

steve
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steve
3 years 4 months ago
As a child of Heinlein, I loved it. It’s a lot like looking at Megan Fox. I can appreciate her body (I mentally airbrush the tattoos), but all her performances in the theater of my mind have nothing to do with her politics. You have to cut her some slack, she’s a professional liar (actress) and if she didn’t espouse those opinions, she’d be unemployed. Scalzi once said, quoting someone else ‘There’s a name for people who attribute the attitudes, motivations and personality of a character in a book to the author: Idiot.’. So the case in point is that… Read more »
AndonSage
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3 years 4 months ago

@steve: “Scalzi once said, quoting someone else ‘There’s a name for people who attribute the attitudes, motivations and personality of a character in a book to the author: Idiot.’”

S.M. Stirling used a similar quote (“There is a technical term for someone who confuses the opinions of a character in a book with those of the author. That term is idiot.”) when replying to “idiots” about his Draka series. Anyway, the original is quote is variously attributed to either Larry Niven or Robert A. Heinlein.

steve
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steve
3 years 4 months ago

Shit.

Jeffersonian
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3 years 4 months ago

I remember a newspaper op-ed cartoon from about 1983. That was the year after both Gandhi and ET were in theaters. The cartoon showed Gandhi with an armload of Oscars, looking askance at ET… with an armload of moneysacks.

You’ll have to console yourself with being a multiple-bestselling author whose fans actually understand and appreciate your work. 😉

Scott
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Scott
3 years 4 months ago

Well, I’d set one of the Monster Hunts at a Hugo event. A bit like John Ringo did with Princess of Wands.
Nothing like some unmensionable horror eating the literati.

joecrouse
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joecrouse
3 years 4 months ago

John Scalzi has a blog?
I did not know that.

Radioactive
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Radioactive
3 years 4 months ago

ignorance really is bliss

steve
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steve
3 years 4 months ago

Yes. He does, and lots of us know of both and choose to spend our time here. I haven’t looked over there in a few years, and feel no pain whatsoever at the loss.

Nathan
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Nathan
3 years 4 months ago

I’m curious, just based on what I’ve noticed about where my favorite authors live (mostly in the South and in the Rockies), if WorldCon and the SMOF are mostly Yankees. Or am I reading too much into a cultural divide between the self-appointed movers and shakers and, well, a significant portion of the market.

steve
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steve
3 years 4 months ago

Notice how Baen books repeatedly fails to go bankrupt…

Garland Noel
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Garland Noel
3 years 4 months ago

Doctor Who used to be okay…. but now it’s just for hipsters. Sad.

steve
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steve
3 years 4 months ago
I very much enjoy Dr. Who, space hippy. Especially now that he’s willing to pick up a gun, and has intentionally caused the deaths of untold swaths of sentients who chose to be his enemy. I think his body count must be a million by the last series. I think he wiped out the entire Dalek race at one point, so he’s also genocidal. Even though it got retroactively changed later (Time Lord) he still did it. Remember Rory showing up in full Centurion armor on the Dalek command ship, pointing out the window and watching the Dalek ships of… Read more »
Kevin Standlee
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3 years 4 months ago
I think you significantly overstate the significance of the SMOFS (“Secret Masters of Fandom”), which represent the perhaps 500 (at most) people who actively are involved in the organization and operation of Worldcon and who take an active interest in the rules of the World Science Fiction Society. 1. They don’t form a monolithic bloc, no matter what you seem to think. We (and I’d count myself among them) argue incessantly. Go look at the video of the past couple of WSFS Business Meetings (links to which are on the wsfs.org website) and you’ll see just the tip of the… Read more »
gattsuru
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gattsuru
3 years 4 months ago
/Every/ group that has three people or more will have ideological brawls between themselves — and the only reason it cuts off at three is that two people are just an argument, to borrow from Terry Pratchett. If you go into a LGBT group and start an argument about homophobia or more homophobia, or a pro-gun group and talk about less bad gun laws or even fewer bad gun laws, there’ll be lots of people on both sides ranging from reasonable debate to bickering to cutthroat attack. That doesn’t mean that these groups are going to have many blocs desiring,… Read more »
Kevin Standlee
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3 years 4 months ago
You mystify me. I’m Chairman of the WSFS Mark Protection Committee, the closest thing the World Science Fiction Society has to an ongoing permanent body. I co-chaired the 2002 Worldcon. I’ve administered the Hugo Awards three times. By any reasonable fan, I’m about as much of a modern SMOF as it’s possible to be. I’m plugged in to the SMOFS e-mail list (which isn’t really secret; you just have to ask to get added, and it’s not nearly as interesting as I bet you think it is). I’ve never heard any of the things you’re saying here about “SMOF Treatment… Read more »
Jeff Jones
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Jeff Jones
3 years 4 months ago

What is everyone who nominates British or something? Why does Dr. Who get 3 freaking nominations in short presentations?

Kevin Standlee
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3 years 4 months ago

I hope that’s meant to be a joke, because it implies that only British people will vote for British works, only Canadians for Canadians, only Americans for Americans, and so forth, which is silly. I do know that DW episodes are generally among the most popular suggestions made at the Bay Area Science Fiction Association Hugo Recommendation Nights, and while there are a couple of expat Brits who attend now and then, the membership of BASFA can’t really be considered “British.”

Jeff Jones
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Jeff Jones
3 years 4 months ago

I implied no such thing, but from my personal experience Dr Who is more well known in the country of its origin than by the general populace of people here in the States. And even people that are aware of it don’t necessarily watch it or consider themselves fans. So when one show so wholly dominates a category as to take up 3 of the 6 nomination slots it makes one wonder.

Kevin Standlee
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3 years 4 months ago
Let me suggest, then, that the population of people who are members of Worldcon and who participate in the Hugo Awards process just might contain a higher-than-average-compared-to-Americans percentage of people who know and appreciate Doctor Who. As I said, I know it’s the most popular choice among the BASFA crowd, who are mostly Americans. Even when Worldcon is in a different country, Americans represent the single largest group of voters. So works have generally got to be popular with American SF fans who are members of Worldcon to have a chance of being nominated. Doctor Who obviously fits that mold… Read more »
Nathan
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Nathan
3 years 4 months ago

Maybe British is hip these days? Tor.com seems to push UK writers and shows almost as much as they push feminism.

Brian
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Brian
3 years 4 months ago

I like Dr. Who, even though I’m a couple seasons behind. I think it’s really benefiting from a lack of competition. There just aren’t many American science fiction shows on the air at this time. The Sci-fi network is now full of lame ass reality shows and wrestling, there isn’t a Star Trek series currently running, and we haven’t had a big syndicated show like Babylon 5 on for a long time either. There just isn’t anything out there to go up against Dr. Who.

Murphy7
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Murphy7
3 years 4 months ago

Doctor Who benefits from a very loyal fan base, but I don’t wonder if it may lose out to Orphan Black or other productions on BBC america. They’ve been putting together some really good television – I liked Copper a great deal.

That Guy
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That Guy
3 years 4 months ago

So this means you’re not coming to Texas? Damn! I was looking forward to buying you a beer!

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just for the record, Larry’s prediction that Brandon Sanderson’s wonderful “The Emperor’s Soul” would lose for Best Novella (because “the votes aren’t decided on the actual books”) was factually wrong.

So was his prediction that Seanan McGuire would win for Best Novelette.

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