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Rattler25
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Rattler25
4 years 1 month ago

I like his and your thoughts please keep them comming.

NKR
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NKR
4 years 1 month ago

I love Bill Whittle! His take-down of Jon Stewart after the “Truman was a war criminal” idiocy was brilliant. I’m making my daughter watch it when they start their WWII study in middle school. He’s amazing.

bigdeville2000
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bigdeville2000
4 years 1 month ago

I think the “Truman was a war criminal” response video is excellent and should be required material in every WWII history lesson. Bill Whittle is a genius.

NordRonnoc
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NordRonnoc
4 years 1 month ago

I find that hard to believe there’s a gun control agenda involved.

Rattler25
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Rattler25
4 years 1 month ago

I find it hard to be leave there is not a gun control agenda involved. Anything any government dose is because of an agenda, why is it hard to be leave that this government is any different.

Connor Clay
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4 years 1 month ago

The reason why I said that because the only evidence that I see of a gun control is the President’s claim of 90% of the weapons claimed by the Mexican cartel (which is false from what I’ve seen). Otherwise, I remain skeptical of the agenda. I don’t mean to be inflammatory in any way. If you think I do, then I apologize.

Connor Clay
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4 years 1 month ago

Also, there are a few people involved in the scandal, not the whole government. Why do you think so?

Connor Clay
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4 years 1 month ago

PS: I wished I would’ve thought of this before. Anyway, I restate my question: why do you think the whole government is involved rather than just a few people?

Tannim111
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Tannim111
4 years 28 days ago

@ Connor

Multiple departments (Justice, State) in at least 3 different cities. Too widespread for it to be just a couple of people.

Mike
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Mike
4 years 1 month ago

I’m also skeptical that gun control was the primary reason for this. I just don’t think it’s that high on anyone’s agenda. It’s more of a useful side effect.

Personally I’m pretty sure that arming the Sinoloas was the real goal of this, and that was accomplished in spades.

NKR
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NKR
4 years 1 month ago

I think arming the Sinaloas was icing. What really makes the gun control angle is how they were pushing the line that American guns were driving the violence in Mexico. They knew they were the ones providing the guns to the criminals and they came out with that false propaganda. When you look at it in that context, it’s pretty damning.

It was a two-fer.

steve
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steve
4 years 1 month ago

Let’s pretend that private citizen John Doe arranged for a couple thousand guns to get to the Shinola cartel. Hundreds of Mexicans and two Federal agents’ deaths were tied to the guns.

Wouldn’t John Doe be facing federal capital murder for premeditated death of Federal agents?

Wouldn’t John doe be facing Mexican charges of premeditated murder?

Wouldn’t anyone who participated be also facing the federal capital murder charge under RICO?

Old NFO
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4 years 1 month ago

Bill nails it pretty well, now if we could just get an indictment… sigh…

tuco
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tuco
4 years 1 month ago
His (reasonable) assertion as to the mind set that casts these deaths off as “just Mexicans” holds a great deal of water, I’m afraid. There is no one who is not viewed as a pawn by this administration, including other nations and their citizens. And if you don’t believe that this was motivated by a desire to limit gun ownership in America, you sound extremely foolish to my ears. Governments, especially ones as big as ours, fear free men and women. An unarmed populace is easier to subjugate than an armed one. Follow the ideology, indeed. Our president has had… Read more »
Spencer
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Spencer
4 years 1 month ago
Bill Whittle’s thoughts on this expand on my original impression. There is no way this wasn’t on purpose on some level. I also find it very hard to believe that a POTUS who is involved in the day to day running’s of everything including which terrorists to kill and when knew nothing of F&F. I hope when a Judge reviews the files, if there are documents concerning the POTUS that the Judge strikes down executive privilege on the grounds that the actions were illegal. How is it legal to distribute guns to criminals with no goal other than to make… Read more »
ZachNathanael
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ZachNathanael
4 years 29 days ago

Oh mannn, thanks for tuning me in on afterburner! Never heard of it previous.

Rebus
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Rebus
4 years 29 days ago
Please. OMG those guns killed 300 Mexicans! I thought people killed people and not guns? That was bullshit? Nice to know. Now, please list every anti-gun agenda item endorsed by the Obama administration. I guess you can count his vague non-promise pre-election to get “assault weapons” banned. He do anything about that in office? Was F&F a truly bad idea? Yes. Should those responsible be fired and investigated for criminal charges? Yes Did the Obama administration back it to raise an outcry that could be used to push a gun control agenda? I call bullshit. You don’t think, if he… Read more »
Sohmdaddy
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4 years 25 days ago
Sohmdaddy
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4 years 25 days ago
Executive privilege protects communication with the president himself. So this means that Obama is either lying and buying time, trying to put this off until after the elections, or it means he’s been lying this whole time, and that he did know about the program, the whole time. “Also, sorry, no crack smoking here. Maybe a little buzzed on a single malt, but no crack.” Sure, they’re just Mexicans, right? They were probably going to get killed by the drug cartels anyway, and it’s not like they are as important as real people like us Americans, right? So what if… Read more »
Rebus
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Rebus
4 years 25 days ago

Any flippancy on my part about the plight of Mexicans at the hands of the drug cartels is fueled only by my belief that folks that are onboard with this crackpot conspiracy theory don’t have one ounce of compassion for the Mexicans. If you really care, my apologies.

Seriously and all flippancy aside, I see stated and argued all the time that it is never the gun at fault in a shooting death. Why is it different for these guns?

guedenimbo
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4 years 25 days ago
It’s not the guns that are at fault here. It’s the people that allowed these guns to walk unsupervised. Whether it was intentional to stir up anti gun sentiment or merely pure stupidity it’s the fault of those in charge. Yes it’s not the spoon or the guns fault, but it is the fault of the person who gives the stick of Dynamite to a child. That is essentially what happened here, irresponsible adults put weapons in the hands of criminals knowing full well the deification could hit the oscillator. It’s the irresponsible adults people want to see punished that… Read more »
Sohmdaddy
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4 years 24 days ago
Why is it different? There is a huge murder machine in Mexico, but instead of trying to stop it or distancing us from the machine, your government used your tax dollars and said “Hey I want to play, too!” The ATF violated many laws, while at the same time, the administration was saying publicly that the violence in Mexico was our fault for having such lax gun laws. They said that we need more laws while they were simultaneously BREAKING THE LAW. They knew that the only way to get data to justify the law was for the guns to… Read more »
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