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Flea Party vs. Tea Party

Occupy Wall Street? Try occupying reality first.

I know that I’ve pointed out how biased the media narrative is in this country, but I want you to think about something for a minute.

The Tea Party has held hundreds of events all over the country. They are usually over in a single day, because the vast majority of the participants have jobs and have to go back to work. They clean up after themselves. Despite the media ready to blame every violent loon that crops up on the Tea Party, they’ve not hurt anyone or damaged any property. I’m not aware of anyone being arrested at a Tea Party event. (I’m pretty sure the media would be excited to let us know). Their platform is pretty simple, the government has strayed from its Constitutional roots, is too big, wasteful, and takes too much of our money.

They have been very effective in getting candidates with similar beliefs elected in the last cycle, and those are the folks that are currently blocking more big government bailout/stimulus nonsense. (keep this in mind, because we’ll be back to this point later).  They’ve been against growing the already bloated government, whether is Republican bloat or Democrat bloat (usually Democrats though, because they tend to bloat faster).

Bloat is a fun word. Say it with me. Bloat.

The Tea Party has been relatively successful in shaking up the establishment politics. As a result, the narrative about the Tea Party is that they are religious fanatics, racist zealots, tea-baggers, ready to snap and start burning crosses and lynching people at a moment’s notice. The narrative has been repeated time and time again, so effectively that whenever you talk to someone who gets all their news from the regular sources, you can hear all about just how crazy all of these racist tea-baggers are. Hell, go read Facebook for ten minutes to learn all about just what a horrible bunch of crazy anarchist racists all those crazy tea-baggers are.

I’ll wait…

Okay, so now that you’ve read a bunch of stuff about how evil/crazy/stupid/brainwashed the Tea Party is, but without anything specific cited, (because obviously, if you are against ridiculous government spending, you’re racist), we can continue.  You probably also noticed that whenever anyone tried to argue any points, someone would bring up “But Bush did it toooooo!” Uh huh… And how popular do you think Bush is with most of the Tea Party folks? (more popular than Obama, but that isn’t saying a whole lot).

In the last month we’ve all seen Occupy Wall Street on the news. Lots of people got together to protest something. All we could really tell was that they were angry about “stuff.” They’ve occupied our cities for weeks now. Last I heard about fourteen hundred people have been arrested for various crimes ranging from destruction of property, drug related offenses, all the way up to assault.

In some of the cities, they’ve made a huge, nasty, stinky mess. And this isn’t a right wing smear, talk to anybody you know that lives in New York about what the sanitation is like there right now. Thousands of people that haven’t showered for days, peeing in the gutters can get a little gross.  (hence, flea party) Locally, ours have been pretty clean. For us we basically have a slightly higher number of homeless people hanging out in Pioneer Park than usual.  

Sure, we are all enjoying the pictures of protestors having sex in the streets and pooping on police cars, but less entertaining are the protestor’s quotes about killing the rich and taking their stuff, through violent revolution, and that sort of unpleasantness. They’ve got the Communists on their side too, and we all know what a peaceful bunch they are, and things that they are involved with never turns out bad. Sure, there was that whole industrial murder society thing they had going on for most of the last century, but whatever…

The Occupy folks are mostly white too, though I’ve not heard that bandied around as proof of de facto racism like it is for the Tea Party.

So Tea Party, doesn’t advocate violence, doesn’t make a mess, is polite, has a simple platform, and then goes back to work the next day = RACIST EXTREMIST VIOLENT NAZI WHACKJOBS!!!

Occupy Wall Street has thousands arrested, makes a mess, wants to guillotine rich folks, has a platform that reads like a less literate version of the Communist Manifesto, and camps out for weeks because they’ve not got anything better to do = REFRESHING VOICE FOR CHANGE.

Sure, nasty disease ridden hippie orgies are fun and all, but let’s take a look at what they’re protesting… For the first few weeks I thought it was that they were against “Greed”.  Wow.  That’s a bold statement. Take that Pro-Greed forces. Okay, specifically, they were against the bailouts. Cool. So was I. Funny, so was the Tea Party. You know what’s ironic though? You know who WASN’T against the bailouts? The guy I’m willing to bet most of the Occupiers voted for last time and will probably vote for again.

So the Tea Party and the Occupiers agree that government bailing out big corporations is bad. The difference between these two protestor groups (besides personal hygiene, coherence, the amount of taxes they’ve paid, and the ability to pass a drug screening) is their answer. The Tea Party wants to make the government smaller so they can’t do stuff like this. The Occupiers want to reward the guilty party and make it bigger and more powerful, because… Hell… I can’t figure it out.

The Tea Party answer goes back to Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin. The Occupier’s answer reads like a bunch of Communist dogma, after its been eaten, digested, and then shat out by a unicorn tripping on hallucinogenic mushrooms.

Don’t take my word for it though. Let’s go through their platform that their National Press Director and Fetcher of Sandwiches, released via CNN.

“Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Blah, blah, blah, oh yeah, and minimum wage should be $20.  I’m surprised he didn’t just say that the minimum wage should be a billion dollars an hour. Why not? It is going to have to come from the same magic unicorn. Duh, you friggin’ idiot. Every time they raise minimum wage employers have to lay people off. Let’s say I’m a small business owner. I have ten minimum wage employees. Since most employers aren’t the fat cats you imbeciles want to guillotine, and I can’t afford to pay $20 an hour to the kid that sweeps the floor, I have to fire half of my employees.

But don’t worry. These braniacs answer this conundrum with Demand 3 and 9.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Stupid. To condense down thousands of words worth of arguments from when we went through this nonsense last year, the private sector, though flawed, has brought us the most prosperous/healthy time in human history, while everything the government touches turns to crap, and many of the problems with the current system can be traced back to government regulation. So let’s give them full control of our health. What could possibly go wrong?

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Oh good. I was wondering how all of my now unemployed former-employees caused by Demand 1 were going to be able to live…

Hey, wait a second… So your plan is that people can just get $20 an hour even if they don’t feel like working? BRILLIANT! Why hasn’t anyone ever thought of this before? Oh, they have thought of it, but they were smart enough not to mention it in polite company, because it is retarded.

They’ve tried this. It is called Greece. You should move there. Wait, Germany called. They’re tired of footing the bill.  Strange… Germany is a lot like your parents in that respect.


Demand four: Free college education.

There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. Somebody has to pay for all of those useless liberal academics with tenure.

Besides, why do I need a college education when I can just stay home and collect $20 an hour to play xBox?

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that a higher percentage of liberals went to college to “broaden their minds” or have “life experiences” (i.e. smoke pot and hook up with loose freshmen) whereas us right wingers went to college to get a piece of paper that enabled us to get a higher paying job. Maybe that’s why we’re not so bitter about college now that we have jobs.


Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

“We’re against corporate greed and bailouts! Boo! Corporate greed! Quick, give another $560,000,000.00 to Solyndra!”

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Do you even understand how many zeroes that number has on it?


Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants.

Apparently not…

On Demand 6 & 7, what the freak? Seriously? Do you have any idea where money comes from or how the government gets it? Apparently your bachelors in Gender Studies didn’t require Econ 101. You can’t just pull numbers out of your ass and have the money fairy give it to you. These rich guys you’re protesting don’t have that kind of money, and even once you feed them to Rosanne Barr or the guillotine or however you want to execute them and take their stuff, they don’t have that money either.


Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Because why the hell not? I’m surprised they didn’t throw reparations on there while they were at it.

And what would this amendment say or do that isn’t already a law? Seriously? Especially in light of the rest of your platform, how can we possibly discriminate between the couch potatoes collecting $20 an hour doing nothing? Are the female/ethnic couch potatoes forced to do nothing harder?


Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Because when our government gives everybody that lives here free money to do nothing, all of those retired thirty year olds from Greece will need somewhere to live.

But I can’t comment, because I’m in favor of controlled borders and a legal guest worker program, I’m obviously a racist… Only liberals can be in favor of a gigantic pseudo-slave class of poor people with no rights or protections that can be victimized by criminals and unscrupulous employers, and then pat themselves on the back about how enlightened they are.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Okay? I was waiting for them to tack on “and free pony rides for everybody!!!11” at the end, but this one sounds sane.


Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Oh good, Demand 11 had gotten me thinking that these guys weren’t complete nutters.

Basically Demand 11 could be restated as We Want To Destroy the World Financial System WHEEEE! and it would accomplish the same thing. I also like how they use terms like margin call debt, derivatives, and credit default swaps to sound all smart-o-pated, and then put “books” in parenthesis, like “accounting” is “voodoo”.

Debt… It means that someone owes something to someone else. Dumb people are in debt. Smart people have people in debt to them. I have tried to make good financial decisions during my life. Some of these decisions have been difficult or painful. As a result, the only debt I have is the mortgage on my mini-mansion in the mountains under a ski resort. And I’ve paid off 1/3 of that in the last year. All I had to do was work really hard and not be stupid. That’s what happens when you aren’t a complete dumbass with your money.

On student loans, most of us that are paying taxes now got our degrees in things like business, engineering, science, etc. Whereas the Occupiers got their degrees in Gender Studies and Liberal Arts. Man, if I’d gone 100k into debt for a useless degree like that I’d be upset too.  Though, how about instead of being mad at us people that worked hard, made good decisions, and now make enough money to be “rich”, you get mad at the lousy liberal academic establishment that lied to you and wasted your time and money instead?  

No mortgages, no credit card debt, no personal loans… Yeah, because I’d hate for you to be stressed out as you’re loafing around, pooping on police cars at $20 an hour. Here’s your free house, mother****er.  


Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Yes. Because that 489 of yours is very damaging to your self esteem. Credit reporting is biased! It can’t possibly have anything to do with the fact you were too stoned to pay your bills on time and spent all your rent money on pizza.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union”

Oh good, finally some obligatory union nonsense. Because why not throw a bone to the thing that has helped make it so that our country isn’t competitive anymore?

That was certainly an enlightening list of demands.  Let me see if I can sum this up: Despite being apathetic, lazy, or making bad choices, we want free shit.

I was annoyed and amused by these people before, but after reading their childish, unrealistic, petulant demands, now I really can’t stand them.  

What do we have here? A political movement based on nebulous anger, wishful thinking, utopian goals, fueled by societal malcontents, in bed with Communists and the unions… Yeah, we haven’t seen that before ever in the history of the world. One year you’re getting promised all sorts of awesome free stuff as soon as you kill these awful (fat cats/bankers/Tsars/royalists/Jews) and take their stuff, and once the government redistributes it fairly, then everybody can be equal and worry free. And the next year, you are either in a mass grave, digging one, or helping put undesirables in it.

Save your sanctimony. Communism is communism. Regardless of what pretty ribbons you tie on it, Communism is the greatest evil ever achieved by man. I don’t care what your issues are or how noble your goals may be, the second your solution is Communism, then you are a fool and your argument is garbage.   

Useful idiots, the lot of them.

Now Nancy Pelosi is backing the protests, Barack Obama is happy there’s a distraction from his Mexican-killing, green-jobs-money-laundering, scandal-ridden administration, and the Occupiers are seeking to reward the people that screwed them over to begin with. Now we can go back to our regularly scheduled narrative about how my side are the crazy ones with their crazy ideas like limited government, checks and balances, and following the Constitution.

 

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Richard Mcenroe
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4 years 9 months ago

“Let’s say I’m a small business owner. I have ten minimum wage employees. Since most employers aren’t the fat cats you imbeciles want to guillotine, and I can’t afford to pay $20 an hour to the kid that sweeps the floor, I have to fire half of my employees.”

No you don’t, you big meanie! You can sell your house and sleep on the couch in your office!

Richard Mcenroe
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4 years 9 months ago

Besides, when YOU get YOUR guaranteed basic living minimum wage for life and YOUR free house, you won’t HAVE to make a profit! Heck, you won’t even have to keep your business open!

Steve
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Steve
4 years 9 months ago

The list of demands is NOT from OccupyWallSt.

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.

From:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

Lin W
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4 years 9 months ago
Interesting. This is up on their website, though. They haven’t taken it down. If it’s not something they want associated with them, why leave it up. If you found a racists rant on a Tea Party site, with a little line saying “we don’t agree with this” on it, what would think? When racists show up at Tea Party events, we surround them, and we start stepping closer and closer, making them back up, until they’re outside the event. And we make sure they don’t come back, all the while telling them and everybody else “This person doesn’t belong here.… Read more »
DaveP.
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DaveP.
4 years 9 months ago

Shorter version: “It got embarassing, so we’re disavowing it…”

Steve
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Steve
4 years 9 months ago
Lin W and DaveP I cant reply to your posts for some reason. I think its interesting Larry just created a post about a troll on his blog that covers some of your straw man arguments. The administrators are not responsible for every post, if it stays up does not mean they agree with the post. I am sure there are some posts on Larry’s blog that he disagrees (mine maybe) with but he leaves them up as long as they are respectful. It does not mean he endorses their contents. The administrators on this forum are not the leaders… Read more »
Lin W
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4 years 9 months ago

I never asked for anything to be deleted. I just said someone was a troll and I wasn’t going to deal with it any more. Posting propaganda pieces and claiming that they’re “facts” is repulsive. That’s my personal opinion. Show me where I asked to have it removed, or told anybody else not to interact?

Lin W
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4 years 9 months ago
Also, you think OWS and TEA Party should “join and fight our corrupt system.” I remember some talking head saying the same thing to the Libertarian Party Presidential candidate, and the Green Party Presidential candidate (who happened to have appeared at the same forum). The fact that they had diametrically opposite goals seems never to have soaked into the reporter’s brain. OWS wants Big Government to get *bigger* to “fix” the economy. Tea Party people want Big Government to get *smaller* and “get out of the way” of the economy. There is no common view. All you have to do… Read more »
Steve
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Steve
4 years 9 months ago
“Show me where I asked to have it removed” “This is up on their website, though. They haven’t taken it down. If it’s not something they want associated with them, why leave it up” That sounds like you are saying if a comment remains on a forum its proof the forum supports the comment, or delete it Saying “OWS wants Big Government to get *bigger* to “fix” the economy. ” is preposterous and shows a lack of insight into what the movement is. Its made up of people who are simply upset with Government and Bankers who own our Government.… Read more »
Lin W
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4 years 9 months ago

Steve. There is a world of difference between a website purporting to belong to a group (OWS) and a *blog* site where people discuss things. Your failure to realize this, perhaps, is why you are so confused.

Yes, I’ve looked at pictures, watched web feeds. I suggst you look at this and the previous 3 parts he’s posted. He’s been at Occupy Los Angeles since day one. http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20111003 Then you can tell me how much these people have in common with the Tea Party.

DaveP.
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DaveP.
4 years 9 months ago

Keep spinning, Steve. All I have to do to give you the lie is to look at the HUNDREDS of photos of signs, placards, et cetera at “Occupy” events across the country calling for exactly what was on that ‘demands’ list. Zombie has a few dozen, but she’s not the only one.
Almost like they were reading off of the same page, or chanting the same slogans, or something…

Steve
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Steve
4 years 9 months ago
“Steve. There is a world of difference between a website purporting to belong to a group (OWS) and a *blog* site where people discuss things. Your failure to realize this, perhaps, is why you are so confused.” I am sorry, but you are the one who still does not understand OWS. They are a collection of people, not a Party with set requirements and beliefs. The forum you mention is not an official OWA forum moderated by the ruling class, because there is none. It IS a site where people discuss things, just like you said. Feel free to drop… Read more »
Steve
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Steve
4 years 9 months ago
Paul Not sure if I am being trolled here, if you are not bothering to read the replies or if you have a learning disability. You ARE going to see ridiculous signs at a OWS rally, maybe hundreds. You are also going to see ridiculous signs at any large rally. Do you want me to link a few more ridiculous signs from actual Tea Party Rally’s? Should we dismiss the Tea Party because of a few signs or should we look deeper? Been awhile since I read the constitution but I don’t think there is anything you can do to… Read more »
Rob Crawford
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Rob Crawford
4 years 9 months ago

“No mortgages, no credit card debt, no personal loans…”

No savings accounts, which are loans to banks.

No bonds — loans to companies and government.

Basically, 90+% of the world’s wealth wiped out.

Lin W
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4 years 9 months ago
WOOOT!!! Yay! ::Stands on a chair and claps and whistles:: Oh, for the occupiers: ::Crouches down and does “up twinkles”:: ::spit:: Larry, this is excellent. I applaud you, loud and long. I mentioned on fb that I’d been to a Tea Party event, and asked someone “let’s find out what we have in common” — and another person called me a “goat f*cker” (*without* the asterisk), twice, in two different posts. I never got an answer, either. I blocked the person whose fb page it was (at least fb will let us do that). That’s the level of “intelligence” we’re… Read more »
Nick Sharps
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Nick Sharps
4 years 9 months ago

Dude. This could be better summed up as ANARCHY! And who do you think will survive the chaos? It’s almost like they’re proposing their own stupidity eradication plan.

Anyway, I’m glad you decided to write a response to the demands of these nutjobs. I’ve been dismissing them for the last few weeks. I had no idea how looney they were.

perlhaqr
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perlhaqr
4 years 9 months ago

Um, no. These people are advocating more government. Anarchists advocate less. None, in fact.

-Your friendly neighborhood anarchist

Nick Sharps
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Nick Sharps
4 years 9 months ago

Look at their demands. They might be advocating MORE government but when you thrown in all the financial “reform” they’re demanding you get anarchy.

-Your less-friendly neighborhood anarchist

Lin W
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4 years 9 months ago

EXACTLY! Anarchists for bigger government! (OK, everybody, Inigo Montoya, “I do not think that word means what [they] think it means” ::giggle:: )

Nick Sharps
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Nick Sharps
4 years 9 months ago

I didn’t say it made sense.

perlhaqr
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perlhaqr
4 years 9 months ago

No, you get chaos, which is not a synonym for anarchy, no matter how often the MSM repeats the word as though it is.

DaCurlyWolf
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4 years 9 months ago

What I find even more amusing is that they think they’re going to ‘survive’ this change they’re trying to bring about. They really have no clue. If this ends the way they want they’ll be a pile of rotting corpses before we get even half way through it. Unfortunately the Darwin Award committee seems to be glacially slow in handing out the awards to these most deserving candidates. *headshake*

Nick Sharps
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Nick Sharps
4 years 9 months ago

That’s what I was trying to get at 😛

Jon
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4 years 9 months ago

Can we start a grass roots campaign of Larry Correia for president? It’d be nice to have someone who actually understand numbers and finances in the job… for a little while.

I’m also pretty sure afterwards Larry would run screaming back to his Mini-Manse in the mountains.

And I’m ok with that too. Larry for Pres! 😉

Joseph Capdepon II
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Joseph Capdepon II
4 years 9 months ago

Nooooooooo! When will he write the books that we all love to read?

Collin Shaneyfelt
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4 years 9 months ago

Hey if Obama is allowed to go golfing every time there is a crisis then Larry would be entitled to some free time as president

DaCurlyWolf
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4 years 9 months ago

No.,…Mad Mike Williamson as benevolent dictator. I’m one of his ministers.

MSgtB
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MSgtB
4 years 9 months ago

Second!

RabidAlien
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4 years 9 months ago

Heck, I’d vote for him…if for no other reason than to hear “magical unicorn poop” referenced in the State of the Union address.

Oh, and the obligatory “National ‘Abomination’ Week” holiday.

Robl
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4 years 9 months ago

The Pelosi is well and good but even Al qaida AND the Iranian Mullahs have expressed their support. Barak: bringing people together since 2008.

What could possibly go wrong?

the Northwestern Diamondback of THR
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the Northwestern Diamondback of THR
4 years 9 months ago

Come on, these guys are some of our best PR! Look at the mess they leave in their wake… just as their counterparts 40 years ago helped to undo LBJ. We should be ENCOURAGING them, driving them even more Over The Top Loony with Operation Chaos-style infiltrators…

*insert Emperor Palpatine evil maniacal cackle here*

the Northwestern Diamondback of THR
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the Northwestern Diamondback of THR
4 years 9 months ago

Oh, and let’s call ’em the Pee Party, like over at RedState, because they seem to have an incontinence problem with how they urinate all over everything. Too bad we can’t get the Westboro Baptist Lawyers’ Cult to join ’em…

John
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4 years 9 months ago

I prefer the term “Occupussies”

Steve
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Steve
4 years 9 months ago
Its sad to see people who I assume backed the Tea Party falling for the same tricks that were used to marginalize, co-opt and discredit the Tea Party. OWS is not the darling of Main Stream Media and more than the Tea Party was. Show a Racist sign at a Tea Party Rally to a Liberal and the entire Tea Party are racists. No need to dig any further to see what the Tea Party is about ?imageId=19228094 Go to Tea Party rally’s and interview lots of people. You are going to find some people who are either stupid or… Read more »
chemicussum
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4 years 9 months ago
Regarding #8, gender equality. I hate it. And here is exactly why: “Because it’s humiliating. A new amendment we vote on declaring that I am equal under the law to a man, I am mortified to discover there’s reason to believe I wasn’t before. I am a citizen of this country, I am not a special subset in need of your protection. I do not have to have my rights handed down to me by a bunch of old, white, men. The same Article 14 that protects you, protects me” So fuck off. Also… I don’t think demand 13 is… Read more »
JFM
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JFM
4 years 9 months ago

*Sound of clapping* I’ve always wondered about this sort of thing too, Iwas always taught that all Americans were equal under Americain law. Special laws to protect ‘special’ groups always bothered me as well.

madrocketscientist
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madrocketscientist
4 years 9 months ago
justsayin
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justsayin
4 years 9 months ago
Fritz
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Fritz
4 years 9 months ago

Pelosi….isn’t that one of those really ucky zombies that need to be put back to earth.
“You don’t understand women…”
Really? You saying you are one? I thought you were a caricature of a human being.

michaelzwilliamson
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4 years 9 months ago

Alles Juden Raus!

divemedic
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divemedic
4 years 9 months ago

As stupid as they sound, there are some legitimate gripes in there.

For example, the credit reporting agencies have known for years that there are genuine issues with inaccuracies in credit reports, but they do nothing about it. Estimates are that 70% of all credit files contain at least one serious error. When you as a consumer file a dispute, they ask the creditor if the report is correct, the creditor says yes, and as far as the credit reporting agency is concerned, that settles that. Something needs to be done, and the FTC has ignored this for years.

michaelzwilliamson
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4 years 9 months ago
I simply demanded they provide me with a payment record to document the alleged debt. Generally, there is no such record at all. Then the debt goes away. I encountered one agency that insisted I owed a debt, but was unable to provide an account number for said debt. They then insisted I was mistaken. I informed the flunky my information came from my credit card company. They insisted they’d had no such discussion with my credit card company. I explained that my CC company had given me the direct extension # and name of this flunky, which is how… Read more »
JFM
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JFM
4 years 9 months ago

Unethical behavior on the part of companies is as old as…………companies? Many credit companies make money on the ignorance of their ‘customers’.

Christof
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4 years 9 months ago
There are actually SEVERAL legitimate gripes. But- as with any protest movement, there are actually two movements. The, ahem, More Equal Leaders Who Deserve Their Positions- commies and wobblies and cosmos- moved in and took over. Many of these people are distressed by what they see as a political system that ignores the people (and, despite the Tea Party, due to changes in the post nixon era, they are fundamentally correct. We now have National Parties instead of local clubs). And, with corporations that have assumed roles far more powerful and less regulated than any individual person. The “corporate person”… Read more »
Mike
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Mike
4 years 9 months ago

Honestly, the Tea Partiers and these guys are upset about the same things – a government that is not controlled by the people, that transferred billions and billions of dollars to a few wealthy cronies rather than doing something useful to fix the country.

They have exactly opposite idea of how to fix the problems, but the root cause is pretty much the same. Government not of the people.

Cabbage Point Killing Machine guitar tech
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Cabbage Point Killing Machine guitar tech
4 years 9 months ago

Excellent, excellent post Larry.

You literally had the wife and I howling at the line “The Occupier’s answer reads like a bunch of Communist dogma, after its been eaten, digested, and then shat out by a unicorn tripping on hallucinogenic mushrooms.”, then we read further and realized just how truthful it was!

Preach on Bruthah! Preach on!

bigdeville2000
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bigdeville2000
4 years 9 months ago

Awesome rant Larry, I really enjoyed it, I eagerly await the flood of idiots that always pop up in the comments of your rants as soon as they are linked on a liberal website, I love it when you lay the logic smackdown down on their tiny trolling minds.

Raymond McCune
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Raymond McCune
4 years 9 months ago

IMHO. You just said a mouth full, Larry!
Kudos to you!

Ralph Hoefelmeyer
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4 years 9 months ago
Nice rant. All the bastards who call me a tea bagger, I just tell them they are wearing “Arabian goggles”, DO NOT search for that at work, or around children. I am so tired of the idiots who refuse to recognize the points you make, and the ludicrous nature of the “99%” people. One had a picture with the Lorax from Dr. Suess, saying “I am 99%” – I just observed that Lorax tastes like chicken. The first sentence, when you use it, and the people attacking you look it up, be ready for a violent response. It’s ok for… Read more »
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fritx
4 years 9 months ago
I wouldn’;t call myself a Tea Paty member today..considering how the media and the Political parties have Fucked it. I am a libertarian leaning conservative. I bet they can find something wrong with that. Like Ignoring people who actually have a lick of sense. I was at a meeting where OUR rep was here. I stood up and clapped…golf clap.. and said.. You sure talk pretty! and grinned. then I tried to act like an idiot and said…and acted most enthusiastic.. seemed to put the wind out of her stupid sails..and her supporters got angry. so I dropped the drooling… Read more »
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4 years 9 months ago
I attended the Utah Republican convention in 2010. During the day, I walked over to the democrat side to see what they had going on. One einstein, upon seeing my Tea Party lapel pin asked me if I was a “Tea Bagger”. I said very loudly: “Yes, I am a tea bagger and proud of it. Tea bagging is dipping your scrotum into someone elses mouth, while they gently lick and suck. Since you’re asking, I have to believe that you are soliciting sex from me. I accept, since you have no itchy whiskers and a very pretty mouth, which… Read more »
Nick Sharps
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Nick Sharps
4 years 9 months ago

This is awesome. Put it on a shirt.

fritz
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fritz
4 years 9 months ago

Dayum! You’re da man! Bows to someone who can really put someone in their place.

hanzie
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hanzie
4 years 9 months ago
Regarding the “tea bagger” loud shaming at the dem convention… At the time, the lefties were having no end of fun calling nice ladies and kids ‘tea baggers’ as an in-joke degrading the tea party people. It burns me up to see that kind of thing, and the guy I was publicly shaming was a particularly low example of the breed. It may not have been polite, but it was better than punching the git. I have no doubt he’s ‘occupying Salt Lake’ even as we type. I will admit that my pelvic gyrations as I lectured might have been… Read more »
Nick Sharps
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Nick Sharps
4 years 9 months ago

You are my hero man!

DaCurlyWolf
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4 years 9 months ago

Whoa. lol. I googled the goggles. interestin to say the least.

Christopher Leete
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4 years 9 months ago

It’s turning out that the real monsters in our country are even freakier than the ones found in Larry’s books.
Very well articulated!

Mister_V
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Mister_V
4 years 9 months ago

So, in summary, “punish success, reward failure, and free ice cream for everyone!” In response, “you are out of your bong-sucking mind.” As thousands of people with no life are rising up demanding to devour those of us with brains, should we declare the official beginning of the zombie apocalypse?

fritx
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fritx
4 years 9 months ago

Don’t you know..it’s the land of mediocrity.
Never correct the stupid…
They HATE IT.
might as well ask for equality for stupid and wise..instead of under the law.
ya git me?

Sam Fidler
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4 years 9 months ago
“Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system. Okay? I was waiting for them to tack on ‘and free pony rides for everybody!!!11’ at the end, but this one sounds sane.” This actually sounds evil. After my initial foray into politics, I have seen how easy it is to keep our current system honest. I can currently find just 1 guy to observe a central vote counting location to make sure nobody is doing anything funny. In “precinct counted” elections, I have… Read more »
DaCurlyWolf
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4 years 9 months ago

I said a lot of the same thing..I used verbal blunt force trauma. A unicorn? Why didn’t I think of that? I had the money being shit out in great steaming piles by the ‘Mystical Money Cow’

Lin W
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4 years 9 months ago

That’s why people stand in line to buy Larry’s books, Sean 😉 He’s the *writer* :-). But you’re a very *nice* werewolf 🙂

crazytuco
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crazytuco
4 years 9 months ago

I am the Incredible Hulk.
I was exposed to Gamma radiation by an evil corporation while trying to pay off my college loans.
Due to my debilitating rage outbursts I cannot hold down a job.
I have to survive on the measly $800 a month I get from Social Security.
I am about to lose my home to a greedy bank who wants to foreclose.
I am constantly hounded by General “Thunderbolt” Ross and our nation’s military-industrial complex.
Another greedy corporation created a dumb as fucking shit red version of me that is totally gay.
I am the 99%.

DaCurlyWolf
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4 years 9 months ago

ROFL I like that one Tuco. you should try and post it on the We Are the 99 % website and see if it slips past them.

Jerry
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4 years 9 months ago

I think this is a lame attempt at a Liybia/Egypt style revolution. Clearly someone though that there would open riots in the streets and that kids would run around throwing bricks and stuff. But they failed to understand that out naiont has a history of protest…hell I think we invented it or at least innovated it.

So to have another one? Join the club. The rhetoric you readon twitter about occupy wall street is the same hyperbole you read during Libyia and Egypt.

Robl
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4 years 9 months ago

While we didn’t invent the protest, we did practically invent not massacring protesters to the last man, woman, and child..

Mike
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4 years 9 months ago
I don’t think making fun of these guys serves a purpose. Marginalizing them does the same job of ignoring the part of their grievances that are legitimate that calling the Tea Party a bunch of crazies does. Yes, it’s ridiculous for them to want their college debts removed, because they can’t make a living off of an Arabian literature degree… but at the same time, there *is* a real problem with our college lean system, and how easy it is for stupid 18-year-olds to rack up enough debt to bury them for their entire life. Yes, it’s ridiculous to demand… Read more »
LepusKhan
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4 years 9 months ago

It also annoys me that they claim to be speaking for me and so many of my friends. Believe me, we’re not close to rich; not even in the same neighborhood. But these guys by claiming to be part of the 99% are trying to include me in their numbers?? I’ve never asked for a handout and don’t intend to start!

Matthew Ulmer
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Matthew Ulmer
4 years 9 months ago
Just awesome. I’ve got to say though, I am in college for the right reason but I am extremely bitter about it. Colleges pretty much have a government enforced monopoly through the board of accreditation. As a result, prices have been sky rocketing. The price of everything in college is absurd, from $300 required books to $5000 per semester for out of state tuition. Not to mention the fact that it takes 3 times as long to get a degree in the US than it does anywhere else in the world. College sucks, but almost all high paying jobs require… Read more »
DaCurlyWolf
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4 years 9 months ago

Matthew..just out of curiosity what field is your degree in?

Matthew Ulmer
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Matthew Ulmer
4 years 9 months ago

Major in legal studies with a minor in english. I plan on going to law school afterward as well. I’m doing it the smart way though, working full time and paying my tiution out of pocket. No debt for me so far. Unfortunately, working an office job full time means that I don’t get to enjoy college. And don’t get me wrong, I am not advocating “free” schooling for everyone on the government’s tab. That would make the situation worse, not better. Honestly, I’m not sure what the solution is.

LepusKhan
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LepusKhan
4 years 9 months ago

A bunch of us here in Texas have decided to renounce our citizenship, move to Mexico, and then sneak back illegally. That way we can get in-state tuition and all kinds of other perks… (LOL)

DaCurlyWolf
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4 years 9 months ago

Hmmm free tuition for school….works for me!

perlhaqr
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perlhaqr
4 years 9 months ago

I like how #5 and #7 are mutually exclusive with the physics of today.

Bridget
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Bridget
4 years 9 months ago

All I can say is Bravo! Thanks for putting eloquently what so many of us are thinking about these occupiers and their ridiculous demands. I am tired of the Government reaching into my pocket to ask me to pay for their (and other peoples) bad decisions. I am proud to be a tea party supporter and considering I like Herman Cain, I don’t see how that makes me a racist. I truly hope a ton of people read your blog as it put things into perspective exceedingly well. Thanks for another awesome rant!

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jdruse
4 years 9 months ago

When the twenty bucks an hour deal kicks in I plan to work non-stop 24/7/365. Of course by work I mean sit on my couch surfing the net and watching TV. But man, all that sweet overtime.

JD

Dirk
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4 years 9 months ago

I have seen comments similar to yours made, in various forms in various places… but I haven’t seen such an awesome refutation of the flea-party “demands” made anywhere, by anyone.

As an aside, I have to say I’m extremely proud of my 13-year-old daughter. I sent her a copy of those demands, and even she could see how ruinous they’d be to the country and the world.

Brian Lewis
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Brian Lewis
4 years 9 months ago

Most of these assclowns will head home as soon as the temps drop below freezing. Wait them out, the reality of another New York blizzard will send them home crying for thier Mommies.

I’m all for helping the helpless except when it comes to the clueless and the useless. Hey, that’s what wolves and lions are for.

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Stephen Devereaux
4 years 9 months ago

Once winter comes, they gubberment will probably give them the surplus Katrina RVs for them to live in along with a few grand on a debit card to make it through. Too bad we don’t have MacAurthur anymore to take care of this present day Hooverville……

Lin W
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4 years 9 months ago

“Hooverville” — you know that was a term made up by FDR during *his* presidency, that the media jumped on? Media collusion in re-writing history — who’da thunk it?

DaCurlyWolf
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4 years 9 months ago

Sadly that won’t affect the twits here in Texas at all really. We don’t really get much of a winter. OTOH…we’ve had longer snaps of cold, and those snaps have been colder the last couple winters soo…maybe we’ll get lucky.

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[…] Larry Correia did it again. Great comparison between the Tea Party and the recent Commie outbreak Occupy Wall Street unpleasantness, and detailed analysis of the teenage whining political demands of the latter. For the first few weeks I thought it was that they were against “Greed”. Wow. That’s a bold st… […]

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sohmdaddy
4 years 9 months ago

I think it’s interesting that one crazy posts looney demands, and the website responds by saying THESE ARE NOT OUR DEMANDS, JUST THIS GUY’S DEMANDS, and the big media outlets are very quick to point this fact out.

A couple of racist guys holding posters at a Tea Party rally get on camera before being told to leave, and despite the Tea Party repeatedly saying, THESE ARE NOT TEA PARTY VIEWS, JUST THIS WHACKO’S OPINION, we get Morgan Freeman wondering what’s really underlying the Tea Party’s opposition to Obama. Then reminding the viewers that it’s racism.

Deadboy
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4 years 9 months ago
Adam Kavan
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Adam Kavan
4 years 9 months ago
Wow an entire page of straw man arguments and ad hominem attacks with an echo chamber underneath. I know you didn’t go to college to “broaden your mind” but it really is to bad you didn’t take a debate or philosophy class. These people are mad because the rich keep getting richer and richer and the middle class keeps getting poorer. These days the upper class no longer have to do any actual work, because they have enough money to invest that they can live off of the profit of these investments. These protesters don’t understand why various rich people… Read more »
Mister_V
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4 years 9 months ago
Adam, first, you should stop with the class warfare arguments. Dividing America into “haves” and “have nots” is a false dichotomy. Everyone’s economic activities affect everyone else and even the poorest Americans benefit heavily from the presence and actions of rich people. For example, rich people put their money into banks, (one of those big companies you disdain), which then loan it out to other people, providing the starting capital you say they don’t have and enabling them to better their economic position. Henry Ford was one of the greediest people who every lived, but the jobs he created helped… Read more »
crazytuco
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4 years 9 months ago
When did we make the shift to the mindset that being rich is bad? I don’t think I’m that old (37) and I can remember when we as kids all wanted to be rich. Hell, I still do. Why do these people always bitch about the minimum wage? If you don’t want to work for $8/hr or whatever it is in your area, work harder, find another job, get some training/education. Do one or all three of those and you will find that the level of minimum wage is not the big deal it once was. Minimum wage is for… Read more »
Adam Kavan
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Adam Kavan
4 years 9 months ago
Actually your paperback would probably wind up costing around $11.11 if we assume a similar relationship between wage cost and price of sandwich (assuming a $9 wage and a $5 footlong). However you are assuming that every person who gets a chunk of that sandwich is making minimum wage, and that is of course false. I agree that $20 is stupid, but an increase that matches inflation wouldn’t be a bad idea. I also think it is funny that you think you can become rich if you work hard enough. That is no longer true. You can become well off,… Read more »
crazytuco
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crazytuco
4 years 9 months ago
Well, in my state right now minimum wage is $8.50. A paperback costs $7.99 typically. So right now an hour of work buys you a paperback here. And I’m not sure where you get that I’m assuming that everyone involved in the making of a sandwich is making minimum wage. Also, nowhere do I say that you can get rich through hard work enough. Whether or not I believe this is beside the point. Don’t put words in my mouth. What I think is funny is that you don’t think that hard work will get you rich in America. I’ve… Read more »
Christof
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4 years 9 months ago
Okay, we are all pretty much in agreement here that “magically” removing all debts, profits, and poverty by riding a unicorn into the sunset and deeming it so is bad fantasy. But, aside from the commie/syndicalist assery, theres a couple causal issues that we should be looking at. Our current banking system is bad. It isn’t a matter of working hard and getting rich. Our current banking system is – in essence- a privately owned and powerful branch of government. It has become exactly the sort of oligarchal power base we tried to remove from the nation in the late… Read more »
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LittleRed1
4 years 9 months ago
Crazytuco, when I was in college in the early 1990s I got sick of all the “I’m worse off” and “I’m so broke” and “I’m poorer than you” stuff. It was one-downs-man-ship, because the poorest, most desperate soul “won.” This is at a private college, although I’d say about 50% of us had some kind of scholarship, work-study, or other financial aid. Oh, and at graduation the speaker told us that we “owed a debt to society” for the privilege of going to college and so we had to go out and do community service. So the “being rich is… Read more »
Phoenician in a time of Romans
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Phoenician in a time of Romans
4 years 9 months ago
http://swampland.time.com/full-results-of-oct-9-10-2011-time-poll/ ——- Q11. IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, A GROUP OF PROTESTORS HAS BEEN GATHERING ON WALL STREET IN NEW YORK CITY AND SOME OTHER CITIES TO PROTEST POLICIES WHICH THEY SAY FAVOR THE RICH, THE GOVERNMENT’S BANK BAILOUT, AND THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. IS YOUR OPINION OF THESE PROTESTS VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROTESTS TO HAVE AN OPINION? VERY FAVORABLE 25% SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE 29% SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE 10% VERY UNFAVORABLE 13% DON’T KNOW ENOUGH 23% NO ANSWER/DON’T KNOW 1% —– Q8. ON ANOTHER ISSUE, IS… Read more »
Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG
4 years 9 months ago

Rule of thumb- anything found on the internet in ALL CAPS tends to be unreliable.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
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Phoenician in a time of Romans
4 years 9 months ago
Uh-huh. “TIME MAGAZINE/ABT SRBI ” http://www.srbi.com/Home.html “Abt SRBI is a full-service global strategy and research organization specializing in public policy and opinion surveys, banking and finance, telecommunications, media, energy, transportation, insurance and health care. Clients include major financial institutions, Fortune 500 companies, federal, state and local governments, foundations and universities. Abt SRBI has an established track record of providing high quality, timely and cost effective research and analysis. In addition to its headquarters in New York City, Abt SRBI has offices in Washington D.C., Florida, New Jersey, Tennessee, West Virginia and North Carolina. The firm was founded in 1981 with… Read more »
Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG
4 years 9 months ago

All that, and they don’t know what the (SHIFT) key does… impressive cred there, Sunshine.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
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Phoenician in a time of Romans
4 years 9 months ago

I’m sure Abt SRBI will be just devastated by your coherent critique.

LepusKhan
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4 years 9 months ago
I actually read your link (and I would suggest anyone else interested do so as well.) What it shows is that of the 1001 adults who participated in that poll, less than 1% agree that the Tea Party represents them. Yet in last years elections, it is undeniable that the Tea Party changed the course of the elections. That’s not a biased statement, btw- the media from all sides commented on it as well; It’s pretty much indisputable. So I’m betting if you did a survey of 1001 adults in.. oh let’s say GUNS magazine, you would likely find a… Read more »
Matthew Ulmer
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Matthew Ulmer
4 years 9 months ago

Well with media constantly bashing the tea party and praising OWS, did you really expect any different? This proves absolutely nothing.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
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Phoenician in a time of Romans
4 years 9 months ago
A couple of racist guys holding posters at a Tea Party rally get on camera before being told to leave, and despite the Tea Party repeatedly saying, THESE ARE NOT TEA PARTY VIEWS, JUST THIS WHACKO’S OPINION, we get Morgan Freeman wondering what’s really underlying the Tea Party’s opposition to Obama. Then reminding the viewers that it’s racism. http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html “As the figure shows, even as we account for conservatism and partisanship, support for the Tea Party remains a valid predictor of racial resentment. We’re not saying that ideology isn’t important, because it is: as people become more conservative, it increases… Read more »
DaCurlyWolf
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4 years 9 months ago

Oh puh leeeze. really? Not buyin

Phoenician in a time of Romans
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Phoenician in a time of Romans
4 years 9 months ago

I’m sure the University of Washington will be just devastated by your coherent critique.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG
4 years 9 months ago

I’m sure those who support smaller government will be just devistated by your coherent critique!

DaCurlyWolf
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4 years 9 months ago

Phoenician. What ‘critique’? I don’t think that word means what you think it means. My point was..I CALL BULLSHIT. By the way..RACE is a misnomer old boy. There isn’t but ONE race, and that’s the human one. All the rest is tribalism. As for me and for most of the people I know..it’s not about color, it’s about character. I honestly don’t understand why this is such a hard concept to fucking grasp. It ain’t rocket science.

LepusKhan
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LepusKhan
4 years 9 months ago
1006 adults polled by the Institute For The Study of Ethnicity, Race, and Sexuality believe that support for the Tea Party remains a predictor of racial resentment? Wow. I bet they could also find it to be a predictor of sexism, too. Again if you base results off of 1006 adults out of 307,000,000 people I wouldn’t put too much faith in the results. I bet I can find 1006 people who believe in just about anything- doesn’t make it so. The truth is, I’ve known many Tea Party activists personally and not ONE of them has shown me any… Read more »
Phoenician in a time of Romans
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Phoenician in a time of Romans
4 years 9 months ago

Again if you base results off of 1006 adults out of 307,000,000 people I wouldn’t put too much faith in the results.

It’s a pity statisticians have never addressed this issue,

Certainly, they have never come up with ways to determine that with a population of 307,000,000, a 1000 person sample will give a 3.1% error level with a 95% confidence rate.

Truly, this seems to be a great oversight on their part – perhaps you should point it out to them.

LepusKhan
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LepusKhan
4 years 9 months ago
0.000325%. And again, part of it is where you ask the questions. Example: Larry is in Salt Lake City and asks 100 people their religion. 98% of them say they are Mormon. So according to statistics, we can extrapolate that even with a 3% margin of error, at least 95% of Americans are Mormons… There is no need for me to point this out to statisticians- its one of the first things they’re taught. I’m still hoping you can name even one domestic governmental agency (which of course would except the military as their focus is International) that has become… Read more »
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Phoenician in a time of Romans
4 years 9 months ago
0.000325%. And again, part of it is where you ask the questions. I was sort of thinking that the paragraph: “The survey is drawn from a probability sample of 1006 cases, stratified by state. The Multi-State Survey of Race and Politics included seven states, six of which were battleground states in 2008. It includes Georgia, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, and Ohio as the battleground states. For its diversity and its status as an uncontested state, California was also included for comparative purposes. The study, conducted by the Center for Survey Research at the University of Washington, has a margin… Read more »
Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG
4 years 9 months ago

“A study with pictures”? Go for one with Japanimation style! I loooove Japanimation style!

LepusKhan
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LepusKhan
4 years 9 months ago

Phoenician, you ignorant slut. setting aside your juvenile attempt at insulting me, you responded to the first part of my sentence & nothing else. If you can’t understand it perhaps you should be quiet while the grownups talk. I respectfully tried to have a discussion but I’m obviously wasting my time here. Go back to your basement , troll.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
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Phoenician in a time of Romans
4 years 9 months ago
So that makes me ask, who commissioned this poll, and what was the desired nature of said commission? I would have thought the prominent words “Time Magazine” would be a clue. Sure. Whatever. Put your typical high and mighty academic assurance up your ass, Phonecian. It’s interesting that a simple observation makes you so angry. Have you applied the same high standard of critical reasoning to, say, your portrayal of the OWS protestors, or the Tea Party’s claims? You dismiss a Time magazine survey because you don’t agree with the fidnings, and yet you seem to swallow Fox News-style views… Read more »
Lin W
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4 years 9 months ago
Have you been able to find out what the criteria were for including people in the sample? Adults? Registered voters? Registered voters likely to vote? 50% registered Republicans likely to vote, and 50% registered Democrats likely to vote? 50% registered Democrats likely to vote, 25% registere Republicans likely to vote, and 25% registered Independents likely to vote? Each one of these would give highly different total responses. Also, there has been more coverage of the OWS crowd in 9 days than in 9 *months* for the Tea Party. The Tea Party coverage claimed that there were violence (never proven), racism… Read more »
Phoenician in a time of Romans
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Phoenician in a time of Romans
4 years 9 months ago
<i.So you cited a poll saying that the vast majority people don’t identify with the Tea Party… Whoop de freaking do… Except when I apply the smell test of their influence from the last election cycle and what I can see with my own eyes, that doesn’t seem to jive. Except if they were largely a front for corporate astroturfing, of course. That US politics is influenced by corporate money is hardly a revelation. Talking about “smell tests”, did you noticed that the Tea Party was a purely US phenomena, orientated towards electoral influence and the US election cycle? Meanwhile,… Read more »
Lin W
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4 years 9 months ago
Excuse me, but the Tea Party is not a front for anything, let alone receiving corporate money. You want to know which politician has received the most money from Wall Street high rollers? Barak H. Obama, by a huge factor. It’s all there in the reports campaigns are required to file. George Soros had his sock puppets start spreading rumors about the Koch brothers to take the heat off of him. The Koch Foundation gives money to hospitals, museums, NPR, PBS, and all sorts of philanthropic organizations. And Cato Institute, which is a think tank. George Soros does not do… Read more »
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4 years 9 months ago
Excuse me, but the Tea Party is not a front for anything, let alone receiving corporate money http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html?pagewanted=all “Last week the Kochs were shoved unwillingly into the spotlight by the most comprehensive journalistic portrait of them yet, written by Jane Mayer of The New Yorker. Her article caused a stir among those in Manhattan’s liberal elite who didn’t know that David Koch, widely celebrated for his cultural philanthropy, is not merely another rich conservative Republican but the founder of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, which, as Mayer writes with some understatement, “has worked closely with the Tea Party since the… Read more »
Lin W
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4 years 9 months ago
Yes, this is a good article that highlighst the *unbiased* and superior investigative reporting that we all come to expect from this sort of thing: “Since tax law pe rmits anonymous personal donations to nonprofit political groups, these figures may understate the case. The Kochs surely match the in-kind donations the Tea Party receives in free promotion 24/7 from Murdoch’s Fox News, where both Beck and Palin are on the payroll.” Please note the phrase “The Koch’s surely match” — which means, “I have no evidence for this, but I hate them, so they’re doing whatever awful things I say,… Read more »
White Brain Studios
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4 years 9 months ago

I just saw this quote the other day. Not sure who said it.

“Statistics are like a bikini: what they cover up is far more important than what they reveal.”

Ray Contour
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Ray Contour
4 years 9 months ago

If being a Tea Party member means that one is racist, can you explain Herman Cain’s popularity among Tea Party members?

And how many of Obama’s supporters in 2008 were “racially resentful?” Or does racial resentment only count when it originates with a white person?

Kristopher
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4 years 9 months ago
OK then. Everyone gets $20 per hour for doing nothing. People stop working, since who needs to make or sell stuff or grow food if you get $20 an hour to masturbate all day. The amount of goods on the shelves drops, and the number of people chasing those goods rises. Two things happen: The government does nothing, and that $20/hour is no longer enough to buy a cup of coffee. The government institutes price controls and rationing … no one works still … but we now have an economy just like Cuba. Is Cuba what these fucking retards want?… Read more »
nanpwags2012
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4 years 9 months ago

May I please plagiarize your comparison? I just love the way it flows. I need new material for rally signs, and “Flea Party vs. Tea Party” is so ripe for photo ops. It will drive the media nuts.

Joe in PNG
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Joe in PNG
4 years 9 months ago

I find it funny that these myrmidons who are against “Big Business” tend to support Big Government.

Here’s a clue folks- you can’t have one without the other. It’s a nice bit of give and take. Poli boy gives out pork, Gigantoco gives back campaign cash and votes. Poli boy give back subsidies, tax incentives, and favorable regulations (at least for the Union), and more cash and votes come in. And so it goes… hell, why do you think Obama got so much cash from Wall Street? (See also Solyndria)

Aussie_Dave
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Aussie_Dave
4 years 9 months ago

I like reading these. I can already see people frothing at the mouth in some responses, and others banging their heads against the walls wondering why people do not understand.
Anyway, in reply to an earlier post by Adam “….Now unless you are already a multimillionaire there is no way you could start your own insurance company, or computer manufacturer, or what have you…..”
Here’s a link about an electrician who at 25 took a risk and is now worth AUS$610 million. I’ve got this feeling that he just got shot down in flames.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-fortune-and-fury-of-a-young-tycoon-20101009-16d3o.html.

Nikko Pfoser
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4 years 9 months ago

Some informative graphs to explain the protosts:

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/10/henry-blodget-explains-real-reasons-behind-occupations.php

(the last graph seems most important)

Kristopher
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4 years 9 months ago
The last graph is an example of a socialist loon looking for excuses to pimp his insanity to others. A commenter to Blodgett’s original article rebutted this load of bilge you are pimping better than me: Nick on Oct 11, 2:28 PM said: @TheD: Facts are fun to get fired up about but you’ll find that often the people most fired up have put little to no critical thought as to WHY the facts are what they are. I will address some of these now. RECORD CEO PAY The baby boom was the greatest generation americans have ever seen. They… Read more »
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Michael
4 years 9 months ago
I recently subscribed to your blog. I was set onto your site after reading M.H.I. It does not help that i feel a slight connection to the werewolf friend of Pitts… but still anger has it’s uses.. just not what most would ever conseider. Right now i’m just wondering if you actually get the time to answer all of these. If you could i have some questions on how to get my book published and would like some input. currently still writing it and will let you know title later if you so choose to read it when i finally… Read more »
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Old NFO
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4 years 9 months ago

Well said… as always Larry!

rudolph
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rudolph
4 years 9 months ago

in flint, mi. we had one of these Friday. my friend went his sign said this “save corporate america from this hippy tyranny!”

he was peaceful about it, just stood there with his sign texting. folks got mighty angry about it. here’s a pic of it, if ya like to see it.

http://photos.mlive.com/flint-journal/2011/10/occupy_flint_protest_in_downto_3.html

SirBrass
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SirBrass
4 years 9 months ago

There’s apparently an “Occupy Phoenix,” starting up, and our own Sheriff Joe Arpio (the man the lefties LOVE to demonize as Nazi, Rascist, etc., etc.) chimed in on the issue: “I see one of my regular protestors Orlando Arenas is organizing the Occupy Phoenix event. They better behave and not break any laws.”

Yessir, there’ll be no filth here from the flea baggers, else they’ll be living in Tent City faster than an OWS floozie can turn a trick.

Michael Shelton
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Michael Shelton
4 years 9 months ago

I’ve gotta say this… Not many people i know support Joe Arpio. I don’t particularly care much on this subject but then again i don’t particularly care for government interference. all i can say is let me do my job an leave me alone so i can live my life.

Richard Mcenroe
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4 years 9 months ago

You know the Fleabaggers are on the side of right and justice when BOTH the CPUSA and the American Nazi Party endorse them! What could possibly go wrong with such a fusion?

Phoenician in a time of Romans
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Phoenician in a time of Romans
4 years 9 months ago
Yes, Time Magazine would be a clue. Anybody who thinks Time is unbiased and doesn’t have a narrative is an imbecile. As for the smell test, you give me a national poll from a place that is basically a cheerleader for the DNC, Interesting. So you believe that the Time Magazine / ABT survey is a lie designed to make the OWS look good because the DNC – what? I’m sorry – where did the DNC come into this story? Your original post, of course, had no citations at all to support your stereotyping of OWS. But you knew it… Read more »
Phoenician in a time of Romans
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Phoenician in a time of Romans
4 years 9 months ago
But let me try and find something you may find credible. I note that you keep stating that you are a “New York Times bestselling author”. Presumably, this means that you think the New York Times has some credibility? http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/opinion/crashing-the-tea-party.html “But in fact the Tea Party is increasingly swimming against the tide of public opinion: among most Americans, even before the furor over the debt limit, its brand was becoming toxic. To embrace the Tea Party carries great political risk for Republicans, but perhaps not for the reason you might think. Polls show that disapproval of the Tea Party is… Read more »
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Phoenician in a time of Romans
4 years 9 months ago
So, considering the nonstop propaganda machine of the last two years, yeah, I’d say that last post where opposition to the Tea Party has increased sounds right. I’ll give you that. Now, as for the accuracy of if that matters or if the figures you bandy about are even close, the real test will be in November 2012. And then the Blood Letting Part II will commence and you can come back and post after a slew of democrats lose where you link to some other poll about how it was all about racism. How perfectly vague of you. As… Read more »
Lin W
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4 years 9 months ago
Actually, the gains made by the Tea Party are offset by the dirty tricks done by the Democrats, using the entity previously known as A.C.O.R.N. *and* George Soros’s *self-proclaimed* “operation Secretary of State” where they worked really hard to get Democrats in the Secretary of State’s office to block *any* checks of voter registration against lists of people who are inelligible to vote: death lists, changes of address, non-citizens, illegal aliens, convicts who haven’t had their voting rights returned… things like that. Not to mention “voters” who were “registered” and never existed in the first place. Case in point: Looking… Read more »
Michael Shelton
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Michael Shelton
4 years 9 months ago

I’ve a question. What is a blog? Cause correct me if i’m wrong but is it not a place where people from all over the country can bash on something all of them agree on without interference from particular nay sayers? just wondering….

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Cadeyrn
4 years 9 months ago
You know what is really funny? Well, funny in a graveyard fashion, of course. Points 1, 3 and 9, all regarding financing, are already being brought about by government counterfeiting – er – I mean, Treasury and Fed policy. I mean, if you borrowed good money and get to pay it back in rolls of TP, then your $20.00 per hour may become very affordable to business. That $20.00 simply won’t buy you a sandwich anymore. If you’re paying off mortgages using deeply devalued wheelbarrows full of cash, that’s essentially debt forgiveness too. Problem is, as soon as people figure… Read more »
Phoenician in a time of Romans
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Phoenician in a time of Romans
4 years 9 months ago

I’ve seen it repeatedly on subjects that I am an expert on, enough that it makes me doubt every other story they report where I’m not an expert.

Yes indeedy. We were all in awe of the accuracy and precision of your portrayal of the OWS participants, their actual opinions, and their actions.

Truly an illuminating demonstration of your expertise.

Lin W
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4 years 9 months ago

Troll. Adds nothing to the discussion, yet makes disparaging remarks that, IN ITS MIND (and in nobody else’s) appear to be the height of wit and intelligence.

Troll. Go back to the overpass and wait for the OWS goats to cross.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
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Phoenician in a time of Romans
4 years 9 months ago

Troll. Adds nothing to the discussion,

This would be apart from the eight links guven above backing up my comments with facts?

WolfSong
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4 years 9 months ago

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I was going to do a post on this whole thing myself, but gosh darn it, you beat me to it. And said pretty much what I wanted to…but far better than I would have. With less swearing.

Greg Wirtala
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Greg Wirtala
4 years 9 months ago
Nothing wrong with a healthy debate. Both sides, the Tea Party and the Occupy Wall street group are needed in a society like ours. We need to hold true to the tenets of our constitution to allow all voices to be heard, no matter how crazy both sides rants tend to be. Funny how this is so very similar to the start of the last century. Many of the issues being brought up were brought up then. Which made it possible to create the Income Tax Amendment. (Oh I can hear Mr.Correia booing) I just hope it doesn’t become to… Read more »
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LepusKhan
4 years 9 months ago
A coherent response that is well thought out and nicely articulated. My compliments to you, sir! I agree with your assessment of the need for divergent opinions. I agree that BOTH political parties have let us down. I disagree, however, that the Dems issues all stem from an inability to stay away from sex. I think their issues mostly stem from a good hearted, albeit naive assumption that it’s the government’s job to provide for everyone and make sure we’re all equal instead of doing what they were actually created to do. I believe the problem is a government grabbing… Read more »
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4 years 9 months ago
Larry, I hate to say it, but you’re guilty here of doing the exact same thing some on the left have done with the Tea Party. As a couple others have pointed out, this is not an official list of demands. For instance, here’s another (that actually comes from the OWS website): http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/ Tearing down straw men might be fun, but treating this guy as representative of the OWS movement as a whole is about as fair as finding the nuttiest guy at a Tea Party rally and using him to say that the movement is comprised of violent racists.… Read more »
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4 years 9 months ago
Well, they sound much more intelligent, but I think thats only because the shrooms have worn off lol. #2 is a demand to punish “criminals” who got millions rom manipulating the system. The ones who actually broke laws were prosecuted I believe. The true problem was that most everything they did was LEGAL. Having a broad consensus that what they did was wrong and having it actually be against the law are two different things. The correct action is to fix the laws (which I believe is what #1 is supposed to accomplish) #3 Is an attempt to limit campaign… Read more »
Chris
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Chris
4 years 9 months ago
My understanding of corporations, at least when I formed one out of my partnership, was that it allowed a distance between the shareholders and the company. The simple example my CPA used was along these lines: under a partnership, if I was driving around town and rear ended someone, they could sue for the company’s assets, my personal assets, and my partner’s. (to include house, money, etc.) We could lose everything we had. Incorporating separated the shareholder’s property from the business’s, allowing that rear ended plaintiff to only sue for what the company owned, not what I myself owned. So… Read more »
peavybob
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peavybob
4 years 9 months ago

Interesting, so basically a corporation is a company that becomes recognized as a separate legal entity (or person) from its shareholders for the protection of its shareholders? Am i understanding that correctly?
Now it makes even less sense to repeal it. Thanks.

Steve
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Steve
4 years 9 months ago

The issue they are addressing here is very specific. It deals with a 2010 Supreme court case that overturned a 1918 case and allows Corporations direct unlimited funding of a campaign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood

They don’t want the Limited Liability aspect or any other part of a corporations protection removed

I think this is the court case

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-205.pdf

And as peavybob mentions, it does not effect PAC’s

Chris
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Chris
4 years 9 months ago

Peavybob- There is also a tax angle to it as well, the way the income from the shares is taxed for the different types.

I’m not quite sure what changes tax wise from a Sole proprietor, partnership, Limited Liability Company, S-Corp etc. but I know there is a difference in the way the .gov sees them all.

If only there was an accountant around here somewhere that could explain it… 🙂

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