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Responding to a post

This was posted into the comments in my last post about socialized healthcare passing the house.  I feel the need to respond. The person that posted it, Dave, seems like a nice enough guy.  So, Dave, this isn’t personal, but I need to fisk this. My comments are in bold.

The unemployment rate is over 10%, which means a good chunk of the population has lost their healthcare coverage, Okay, first off that rate will climb if the socialized healthcare is passed. If you increase the burden on employers and raise taxes, what always happens?  Pretty much every economist and expert who isn’t in the pocket of Obama says that.  Hell, ask Joe Lieberman, and he’s certainly not a republican.

since we all know it can be near impossible to buy a policy ourselves because of pre-existing conditions. For some people this is an issue. So why don’t we write a bill that is about 20 pages that addresses this one problem instead of one that takes 4 reams of paper to print that nobody has read? 

Lots of other people have jobs that don’t provide healthcare. And that sounds like a personal problem. When I was self employed, I bought my own health insurance… and after listening to the wailing and gnashing of teeth, I was surprised how cheap it actually was.  For what most people pay for cable and cell phones I insured my family of five.  When I was younger and worked crappy jobs, I bought my own insurance, or I rolled the dice and went without.  That was my personal choice. Your bad choices should not constitute an emergency on anyone else’s part.

I don’t love the dems, but they are trying to do something about it, I’m sure it’s not perfect, but I think it will help.

Oooooohhh…. They’re doing ‘something’. 

I heard an analogy on the radio the other day that I want to expand.  Imagine healthcare is an automobile. Our car is the best car in the world. In fact, it is so much better that when people with other cars really need to drive somewhere important, they come and use ours.  However, our car does have some problems. It needs a new set of tires and maybe a new transmission.  So to continue the analogy, the proposed reform is to take our nice car and replace it with a shitty import that gets bad mileage, has a terrible safety rating, was rated Worst Buy by Consumer Reports, and costs twice as much.  In fact, it costs so much more that we really don’t know how we’re going to be able to afford the payments. 

The Republicans have offered nothing, they are fine with 10s of millions of people being absolutely screwed if they get a serious illness or injury.

You’ve been watching the news, haven’t you, Dave?  That’s another one of those talking points that is full of crap. What about the proposals that have been shot down every year for the last decade about opening up competition between insurance companies by removing artificial boundaries, so that there could be an increase in competition?  What about the one that the NASB floats every year about allowing small businesses to group together, in order for them to be able to get more affordable rates for their employees and to offer coverage to more people?  As much as I dislike Lindsey Graham, I believe he’s the guy that keeps bringing those up and getting smacked down by the democrats.

And wait a second… wasn’t it the EVIL George Bush that pushed Medicare prescription drug benefits? (which I also disagreed with, but it does disprove your point).

The amount of paranoia and fear-mongering in your rant is disturbing, and far from anything resembling reality.

I was told that very same thing when I said the bill would cover illegal aliens and fund abortions. (turns out I was right at the time).  It is interesting to be lectured about reality, when nobody has read the whole bill. Death panels? Yep, they’re in there still. They just call them something nicer.  You get the living hell fined out of you for not switching to a “Qualified Plan”. That’s in there too… Only they haven’t actually defined what constitutes a qualified plan yet.  

So, what specifically have I talked about in this bill that is “far from anything resembling reality”?  The part where a public option will be introduced?  The part where there are rationing boards? The part where Obama has flat out lied about what is in the bill?  The part that it is going to cost a fortune that we don’t have? 

You’re so blinded by fear and hatred everything the Dems do seems like some sort of crazy plot to you.

This goes beyond Dem or Repub. If you are an American, period, you need to be concerned about this thing. Why the rush to so fundamentally distort our existing system? Why can’t people take the time to read it first? Why did Pelosi keep 700 pages of small print legalese secret until a few days before the vote? Doesn’t this bother you?  Do you trust these people that much to just assume that they have nothing but your best interests as heart?

This is going to end badly, not because Obama stages a marxist coup, but because some psycho folows Tim McVeigh’s example and kills a bunch of people because you all yelled about how the tree of liberty needs to be watered one too many times.

I like how the specter of violence is always raised by the left to color the tone of the debate. Pelosi talked about how we’re so dangerous in hushed terms. The Tea Parties I’ve been to have been peaceful affairs, but they’re portrayed as screaming maniacs. Janet Napolitano isn’t worried about Muslim terrorists anymore, but rather the greatest threat to America are people who don’t trust the federal government and returning veterans.

I’m sick and tired of this crap. If we right wingers were as unhinged and deadly as Keith Olberman and Obama seem to think we are, then why the HELL do they keep pushing all our buttons? This is just a tactic to paint the right side of the debate in a certain light.  “Oh, you don’t want healthcare? I better tread carefully, because you’re such a psycho, racist, lunatic, gun owning, tea-bagger.” It colors the perceptions of the debate from the very beginning. That is the goal.

Quit believing the news, Dave.  Keep in mind that this is the same news media that can ponder obtusely on whether the Fort Hood shooting was terrorism, and how we can’t jump to conclusions, or paint anyone with a broad brush, or blah blah blah friggin’ blah, when he was in full imam wear that morning, spouted off jihadist propaganda, called up Al Queda, and shot US soldiers while screaming Allah Akabar.

Seriously, if a right-winger went on a shooting rampage while wearing a John 3:16 shirt and singing hymns, how do you think the media would portray it? Would they urge caution in jumping to conclusions, or would they use him to portray everyone on that side of the debate as a lunatic? 

Same media, Dave.

That is what this is coming to, and you’re all too dim to see it, or are secretly rooting for it, I honestly can’t tell which anymore.

I call BULLSHIT.

I read your blog because I have a few guns, Good. and I generally like your sense of humor, Thank you. even when you’re doing political rants I disagree with, My blog. My opinion. (well, at least until the new guy at the FCC who loves Hugo Chavez shuts that down too)

but you’re wandering into crazy land with parts of this one.

Yep. Crazy land. Because I’ve said so much that is so very crazy.

You know what would have been really crazy?  What if last November I had said that within a year, the government would own or directly control 30% of the US economy, would be poised to take over another 18%, that in a time of economic crisis we’d pass cap & trade, that the dollar would spiral downward because of record spending, that the new president would have spend more in a year than any prior administration had in eight, that the new president would take a ten months (and counting) to decide on whether to send more troops to Afghanistan or not after his generals had begged him, that we’d go on a worldwide apology tour to countries that hate us,  that Obama would win the Nobel Peace Prize, that we were going to ram through one of the largest pieces of legislation in history (without reading it!), and that many of our top federal appointments would go to admitted Marxists.

Whew… Now that would have been crazy talk!

I think Obama is losing momentum because he’s equivocating, looking weak and not getting done a lot of the stuff he promised,

 Negative. The reason he’s losing momentum is because America is waking up to what kind of man they elected.  Like I said last year, Obama is the Boy Band of Politics. All flash, no real talent, but boy bands come out of nowhere, and media saturation tells everyone how great they are. Next thing you know they’re on the cover of every magazine in the world.  They’re mega hits, but after a little while people start to realize that the boy band actually sucks and is annoying. Then like all boy bands, people start to hate all the celebrity being shoved down their throats. Then they fade into obscurity and go away.

I think we’ve moved into the backlash phase. Personally, I was ahead way ahead of the culture curve on this one!

not because the country’s discovering he’s a crazy Marxist/Communist/Fascist.

Yeah. I guess that would just be more crazy talk. What with him hiring Mark (Lil’ Hugo) Lloyd, Cass (Population Control)Sunstein, Van (Communist Agitator and Proud!) Jones, Anita (Mao & Mother Theresa) Dunn, Ron (the free market is a lie) Bloom, and crap, I can’t even remember all of the others, but you get the idea.  The President has only said in his own book that he preferred the company of Marxists, and he’s surrounded himself with Marxists. He’s promoted Marxist ideals, goes off on social justice, and has slipped up a few times and talked about wealth redistribution.  Gee whiz… I don’t know why anyone would get the crazy idea that he might, just might, harbor some Marxist tendancies!

Once again, I’ll throw this challenge out, even though no Obama supporter has ever answered it.  Maybe you can help me out, Dave, since the idea that Obama is a Marxist is so very crazy.  Can you name five things that Obama has promoted or pushed for that Karl Marx himself would not approve of? Hell at this point, I’d settle for three… Two maybe?  Come on, Dave, I’m sure he’s done something to prove how CRAZY it is for me to call him a Marxist.

I’ll be waiting on that.

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MadRocketScientist
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MadRocketScientist
6 years 9 months ago

The House Medical Reform Bill. It’s like trying to build an airliner by going straight from the drawings to the factory floor without taking the time to run computer simulations, wind tunnel tests, and scale model tests.

Maybe it’ll fly, but it has an even chance of flying very poorly, or falling out of the sky into a heap of flaming wreckage.

perlhaqr
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perlhaqr
6 years 9 months ago
Somehow we “right wingers” are the source of all threats of violence here, even though the bill says very specifically that they’re going to jail people for not having health insurance. The police certainly aren’t going to ask nicely for you to come along more than once, and if you tell them “no”, well, I’m pretty sure they’re paid to use violence to compel the will of the state. So, we “right wingers” are, at most, threatening violence against “people in government who want to push their agenda on everyone in the country”, and those same people in government are… Read more »
Charlie
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Charlie
6 years 9 months ago

I find even more cynical humor in jailing people for not having health insurance. I would assume basic medical care would be included….

perlhaqr
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perlhaqr
6 years 9 months ago

MadRocketScientist: Sadly, your analogy is insufficiently strong. At least the people who designed the airplane presumably have some chance of knowing what they’re doing.

This is more like hiring a group of five year olds to design an airplane, and building directly from their drawings.

MadRocketScientist
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MadRocketScientist
6 years 9 months ago

perlhaqr

Yep, I’ll agree to that.

Dave
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6 years 9 months ago

I just want to clarify that this was another Dave, definitely not me… whew… would hate it if Larry confused the two of us…

Rock on Larry! Keep up the good work!

Tim Covington
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Tim Covington
6 years 9 months ago

I keep wondering why they have to pass it as one massive bill? Why can’t they break it up into easier to understand chunks?

Janir
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Janir
6 years 9 months ago

Tim, thats simple. To HIDE things. Easier to vote ONCE and pack it full of handouts to everybody and to take control of the system vs piecemeal. Healthcare reform from the Dems is the same as the spendulus bill, and supporting the banks. Its about control, not fixing whats broke.

Brad R. Torgersen
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6 years 9 months ago
When asked why I am so lukewarm about Healthcare Reform, my response is usually, “Maybe more Americans would trust the feds to insure us, if the feds had a better track record when it came to managing and overseeing very-large, very-expensive projects.” My fear is that once it’s in place, the total cost for single-payer, government-mandated insurance will keep going up while patient care quality and consumer satisfaction keeps going down. Under such a scenario of dwindling returns, there will emerge a cry to reform the damned Reform, which will doubtless be shouted down by Leftists infatuated with having government… Read more »
Rick R.
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Rick R.
6 years 9 months ago
Not only does the US Government have a piss-poor track record of running programs efficiently, effectively, and on budget. . . Not only does the US Government ESPECIALLY fail when dealing with HEALTH CARE issues. . . But general health coverage garanteed by the government generally ends up being WAY more expensive than even it’s pre-enactment opponants claimed it would be. . . just about everywhere in the world it’s been implemented. And that’s ignoring the fact that ALL such health programs have ended up interfering with doctor choice, treatment options, and eventually rationed care. Yeah, with such a sterling… Read more »
Sam
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Sam
6 years 9 months ago
What I want to know, is if this thing ever makes it through the senate to Obama for signature, how do we, as a nation, reverse it before it takes effect? Or will this be the straw that triggers the second revolution? I have health care (currently), but for someone in a blue-collar neighborhood who just lost their job, and doesn’t any more? Send the police to their door to arrest them, from their 60% unemployed neighborhood, and you’re looking at some dead cops. All because of Pelosi’s greed and ego. It could be the real-life equivalent of Henry Bowman’s… Read more »
Rabbit
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Rabbit
6 years 9 months ago
In my line of work, I’m a contract employee. My boss ‘provided’ health insurance coverage as a condition of employment, although I was declined coverage by the insuror. I’m on my wife’s policy, which is a very good thing. Y’see, a few years later I was diagnosed with a genetic disease, and the only medications for it are IV only, and not a cure, but something to hold it sort of at bay while you get older and die of something else, ideally. The annual cost of my augmentation therapy is about $120k per year. Fortunately, my copay is only… Read more »
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Ted
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Ted
6 years 9 months ago

Boosh!

Alex
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Alex
6 years 9 months ago

We are SO f*cked.

Ben
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Ben
6 years 9 months ago

I’m not an American, but I’ve been following this with interest.
The thing I thought of was is not having a health care plan going to be a felony?
Don’t felons in the U.S. lose some rights? I’d imagine that would spark something.

Victor
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Victor
6 years 9 months ago

Karl Marx predicted that democracy was a stepping stone on the road to socialism. It appears he was correct.

Miguel
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6 years 9 months ago

Victor, if the bunch of communist morons now in power in central and south America is any indication, that statement is so right is not funny.
Chavez, Correa, Lula, Evo Morales, Lugo, Zelaya, Ortega… all Socialists/Communists and all arrived to power via democratic vote

Dustin
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Dustin
6 years 9 months ago
My Response to your Response…. Mine our in the (..) The unemployment rate is over 10%, which means a good chunk of the population has lost their healthcare coverage, Okay, first off that rate will climb if the socialized healthcare is passed. If you increase the burden on employers and raise taxes, what always happens? Pretty much every economist and expert who isn’t in the pocket of Obama says that. Hell, ask Joe Lieberman, and he’s certainly not a republican. (Now I think we can all agree that 10% unemployment is bad, and even as Democrat I am willing to… Read more »
Chris
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Chris
6 years 9 months ago

I’m sure that Larry is too polite to say what needs to be said here. You are a fucking moron, Dustin.

Dustin
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Dustin
6 years 9 months ago

HAHA Thanks! I will take that as a compliment…Glad you enjoyed my comment!

Brad R. Torgersen
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6 years 9 months ago

I think it’s in the Red playbook: first get yourself voted into power, then cancel future voting.

raven
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raven
6 years 9 months ago

anyone who thinks this is about “health care” needs a wakeup call. It is about control, pure and simple. I started out goving obama the benefit od the doubt- but the more I learn, the more concerned I get- we are in the middle of a Marxist takover of our country. Every day I see something new about control- today it was the new civil service review to force out any republican civil servant hired in the last five years.

Dave
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Dave
6 years 9 months ago
I appreciate you taking the time to respond. You seem like a nice enough guy too, but it’s like we’re on different planets when it comes to this. I’d encourage you to expand your selection of media too, since I think you’re getting sold a bill of good by the ones you’re consuming. We’re not going to change each other’s minds. I’d just say Obama came to power during a huge economic collapse. Most of the big banks in the country were insolvent. If ever there was a time to nationalize some banks or make big changes to our financial… Read more »
Tam
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6 years 9 months ago

I’d encourage you to expand your selection of media too, since I think you’re getting sold a bill of good by the ones you’re consuming.

I love the supposition that anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint is an ill-informed bumpkin with their channel clicker Crazy-Glued on FOX.

If person A watches MSNBC, CNN, and C-SPAN, and person B watches MSNBC, CNN, C-SPAN, and FOX, who has the more constricted information base?

Dave
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Dave
6 years 9 months ago
Honestly, what the hell. Larry chided me for “watching the news”, and listening to “the media”. Anything that’s not a right wing conspiracy site is apparently untrustworthy. I don’t know where he’s getting his information, I would imagine Fox news is the tip of the iceberg since a lot of his ideas are way more off the deep end than what they put on Fox. HE is the one assumed that anyone that disagrees with his viewpoints must be “watching the news”. You people are in this echo chamber and you have no idea how far away from reality you’re… Read more »
Chek
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Chek
6 years 8 months ago
I’m going to have to agree with Larry that the news isn’t a good source. You need to listen to the news, but double-check sources. Fox is biased, but so are all the other news sources. How about comparing and contrasting, then using actual, published facts and logic to validate the information? For instance, look at the issue with the unemployment statistics being biased. The arguments that are brought up have validity because the issue of re-structured job criteria is a verifiable fact. It does not mean that adding the separate categories together creates the actual total, but it does… Read more »
John Brown
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6 years 9 months ago
Charlie Rose just interviewed Warren Buffett. They talked a lot about the economy. They don’t have the full interview up, dang it, but it’s been airing. http://www.charlierose.com/guest/view/402 Here’s the thing. Buffett knows what makes companies work. He’s a genius at capital allocation and creating value. He’s not a trader or “stock picker.” His whole model is about finding companies that create value in the long term. So when he talks about the current recession and the stimulus, it’s worth listening. When he talks about what Obama’s goals are, well, it’s his opinion. But he has insight. Larry, I’d be interested… Read more »
tweell
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tweell
6 years 9 months ago
A response to the response – (Now I think we can all agree that 10% unemployment is bad, and even as Democrat I am willing to admit that Obama can and should do more to help spur job growth in small businesses. But if done right Health Care reform like the Dems are proposing will actually help spur economic and Job growth, I’m not saying what they have out there right now will do that because its hard to speculate e on a bill that is not in final form yet but it will get there and yes there will… Read more »
Twistcut
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Twistcut
6 years 9 months ago

Healthcare provided by the government is madness. Has everyone forgotten the Tuskeegee Syphillis Study? How about the downwinders? Do you idiot democrats really think that we are all dumb enough to let a government who could do things like that run the whole system? Piss on you, it’s far better that people take of themselves independent of the government instead of becoming involuntary guinnea pigs for the latest government experiment.

Chek
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Chek
6 years 8 months ago

For a current demonstration of how the government runs health care, take a look at the VA Hospitals.

The government seems to be incapable of effectively running hospitals for veterans, so how on earth do we expect them to do a better job nationwide?

Christine Doyle
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Christine Doyle
6 years 9 months ago

“Obama is the Boy Band of Politics….” I love the analogy. I posted it on Facebook with a link to this page. It’s nice to find some sanity every once in a while! I can’t wait for Nov 2010. I predict some of our politicians will be out of a job. If there’s enough uproar over the healthcare bill, it’ll be defunded. Isn’t that why Gitmo isn’t closing within a year as promised by Obama – not enough funds to wrap it up?? Ah, there really is Hope for America!

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